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The Deal
- BB fulfills her desire to return (when?).
- Sensitive establishment would “adjust the vote� (rig the election) in favor of BBQs.
- Mush could stay on as a civilian president for the next five years.
- Military retain responsibility for foreign affairs and national security over this five-year period. [Generals make more millions from US aid]
- BB’s government would concentrate on the domestic agenda. [De JaVu, open ticket to loot the public all over again]
Thanks to Naa-Umeed Khan for sharing his thoughts. Timeline summary available here.
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For the past 8 years on all forums i heard PPPP speaking against army, musharraf etc.
All of a sudden, back to square one ?
What kind of a person Benazir is ? they are making fool of the nation once more ?
People like Jehangir Badar, Raza Rabbani, Aitezaz Ahsan, will you commit suicide ? Please come on TV once more and pardon to the whole nation for the shits you did in the last 8 years. All the time you criticized musharraf and now going to sit with him. You bastards !!!
PLEASE ACTIVATE UR SCCANING ENGINE SO THAT COMMENTS LIKE AFTAB CANNT BE SEEN ON SCREEN.IF COMMENTS ARE POLITICAL SHLD BE WELCOME BT THSES KINDS OF MATERIAL SHLD BE STOPPED.WE WILL HVE TO PROMOTE THE POLITIC OF TOLERENCE AND PATIENCE.TO TALK WITH ANY LEADER IS BBS RIGHT.AND ALLAH WILL DO BETTER IN THIS RESULT.
Thanks Hassan for mentioning, Aftab is banned now.
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Dear All,
I feel sad when I see my fellow Pakistanis analyzing and commenting on issues serious for our country using their emotional faculty only (Masood Bhai I may seem focusing on your comment so please don’t take it as offence rather try understand the point I am trying to make).
My understanding is that emotions and intellect of the opposites are usually (particularly in our case) at loggerheads. Thus emotional analysis or attachment to any happening generates only frustration subduing our intellectual capacity even further. To me passionate attitudes and emotional attachments should be kept for one’s own efforts and deeds and not other’s. This gives us strength to keep ourselves upright and conscious in times of all kinds of distress arising out of multiple reasons.
Therefore, my suggestion to all is that, in matters of politics at least, we must equip ourselves with the understanding of the mechanics of politics in general and Pakistan in particular, in order to make a good grasp of the current political situation in our beloved land. Only then we can make a positive contribution for our country. Try to understand why Quran laid so much stress on “TAFAKKAROON� than anything else (Clue: can emotional analysis be attributed to it).
I will try my best to make best possible analysis of the DEAL situation in some article soon. But meantime let me request all to try make and objective analysis of what made this DEAL happen if it has, because to me it must bode well for Pakistan if it has happened.
Aetizaz Ahsan you are Pakistan’s hero number 1. Please separate your self from BB, on the deal issue. She is saying that Pakistan is going through a sensitive suituatiion and her alliance with Bushraf is a need for the day for Pakistan. This is absolutly rubish, as every one of know that Bushraf is the key player of this crisis. In Pakistan before him there were no suicide, no one ever attacked on Pak Army, no Lal Masjid and no hate for army in the public.
I am fully agree with the following comments from Mr.Sajid on 1st August about the Bibi’s blunder
“She is saying that Pakistan is going through a sensitive suituatiion and her alliance with Bushraf is a need for the day for Pakistan. This is absolutly rubish, as every one of know that Bushraf is the key player of this crisis. In Pakistan before him there were no suicide, no one ever attacked on Pak Army, no Lal Masjid and no hate for army in the public.”
AOA all,
I have been reading most of the comments on this site and others across internet, regarding a ‘Deal’ between Benazir and Musharraf.
It seems that most of the comments made here and elsewhere are formulated by watching the new wave of plethora of ‘urdu channels’ in Pakistan. There is no real sense of history, understanding and nauances of politics.
I am not a worker of any political party, but it seems to me that whenver elections are due in Pakistan (atleast begining with 1988 elections) there is a surge in reactionary, ultra right wing and conservative forces. This is very much premediated and uses all the machinery at its disposal not only to forge public opinion but also uses other means to somehow bring together all the reactionary and conservative forces in order not only to implement their agenda but also to prevent any popular party to gain enough seats in assembly to make a positive change in Pakistan. Remember how in 1988 ISI, military and establishment successfully formed IJI against Peoples Party. How in 1993 again Aslam Baig and then President Ghulam Ishaq shifted power to Peoples Party under certain conditions and in 1997 the caretaker government made abosultely sure that Nawaz Sharif has a landslide victory, which he did.
The point I want to make is that, when we talk about this so called ‘deal’, we seem to think that the history of pakistan’s politics started when Chief Justice was removed in March. Benazir is accused of all kind of criticism, being morally corrupt, debase, hypocrite, an opportunist who is always hungry for power. We tend to forget most people who are engaged in this criticism were once part and parcel of Musharraf regime and supported it in one way or another. Qazi Hussain Jamat-i-Islami supported General Zia’s military dictatorship all the way and was part of the govenment, the MMA not only supported Musharraf’s coup but also supported the ‘Legal Framework Order’ (LFO) of Musharraf which required the constitution to be suspended for a given amount of time but also required all the judges of Pakistan, whether it be supreme court, high court or city courts to take oath under this new legal framework and revoke their oath taken under the constitution of Pakistan. The MMA are still in power in Baluchistan with the PML(Q) and in NWFP. Why does no one take this ever into consideration? is that a political strategy on MMA’s part or a ‘deal’?
When Musharraf came into power in Oct 1999, there were 32 cases against Nawaz Sharif of corruption and misuse of powers. Nawaz Sharif literally got away with everything by striking a ‘deal’ with Musharraf, or was it political strategy based on ground realities. Do you think that a military ruler who was the cheif executive and who had suspended constitution would have forced Nawaz out of the counrty? Why would he do that, and forcefully exiled with your furniture and your personal cook and servants? And this guy is accusing others of striking a deal with military dictator who started his political career in the lap of a military dictator.
When Imran Khan started his politics by being an enthusiastic supporter of anti-Benazir lobby created by Hamid Gul and Nawaz Sharif. This is the same group which also approached the great charity worker Abdus Sattar Edhi, but he rejected them outrightly for being reactionary and anti-democratic. When Benazir was oust, the same lobby which supported Nawaz in the beginning, later accused him of corruption and abuse of powers. Imran Khan then conveniently supported Musharraf, his coup, his LFO and suspension of constitution. Typical of his politics he reverted his support of Musharraf right before the elections. And I don’t understand how can a man whose politics has been based on self-contradiction and a pompous self-righteousness, and who supported a military dictator can have a moral stand by suggesting others that they should not do so.
I am not sympathizer of Peoples Party, but it seems to me that the criticism and objections against it are not well founded and doesnt take the history and real-politik into consideration. The country today is facing an unprecedented situation, the fear of extremism is a real fear, whether one likes it or not. If in this situation if a dictator approaches you and you try to convince them that they have to get rid of the uniform and hold fair elections, whats the big deal? Like Musharraf after March 2006 is devil incarnate and talking to him is selling your soul. Like all these supposedly puritanic leaders having a huge cry didn’t supported military dictators and that too for wrong and anti-democratic reasons.
If Palestines and Isreal can talk, Britain and Northern Ireland can talk and Pakistan and India can talk then why we amongst ourselves can’t sort out our problems. There should be no doubt that the army rule and rule of one man is bad for Pakistan. Musharraf is in power for about 8 years now and on top of it he has managed to convince Americans that without him Pakistan would slip into extremism. Keeping the fact in mind that we do face a problem in our country and it is real, the solution is NOT army and fair elections and I don’t think anybody, let alone Benazir is stupid enough to strike out a ‘deal’ with a guy who they know has little or no support of the people of Pakistan, but has support of certain institutes and outside powers. Its time for politics and not wishy washy slogans.
Mr. Ali has, in a very eloquent manner, explained how the politics in general and in Pakistan in particular works. One gets the idea that no one in Pakistan is fair and sincere. Many people thought of Musharraf’s coup as a good sign initiating waves of change in the, then, “failed state” on the brink of implosion. Atleast in the beginning, Musharraf had the support of majority in Pakistan and for a reason.
Everyone, including Imran Khan, have allied themselves with Musharraf for political gains. But what did Imran get? He has atleast apologized for his mistake in the past while MMA and others have been nothing but hypocrites.
Quoting Mr. Ali… “Keeping the fact in mind that we do face a problem in our country and it is real, the solution is NOT army and fair elections and I don’t think anybody, let alone Benazir is stupid enough to strike out a ‘deal’ with a guy who they know has little or no support of the people of Pakistan, but has support of certain institutes and outside powers. Its time for politics and not wishy washy slogans.”
I agree with the last sentence, but would like an explanation on “the solution is NOT army and fair elections “. I dont know if Mr. Ali was trying to say that the solution is NOT army BUT fair elections.
Benazir may not be stupid to strike a deal with a person who has become widely unpopular amongst people. But the clandestince nature of this deal, and the track record of power hungry Benazir, suggests she is likely to do so with a man who “has support of certain institutes and outside powers”.
I dont mind the ‘deal’, and as Mr. Ali has rightly said, problems all over the world are solved by holding talks. But are they secret talks? or talks that both parties keep denying? I just dont like the idea of making the decisions of our nation behind closed doors. If the deal is for stability and good will of Pakistan, then why not publish the good thoughts, and gain some respect from the people of Pakistan.
Mr. Saeed,
Thank you for your post.
Yes there was indeed a mistake from my side and what I meant to say was that the solution to our problems is NOT army BUT fair elections.
As for your comments regarding the way this so-called ‘deal’ (talks?) is been carried out, the way I see it this ‘deal’ is very much immature, the things are not fully formed and both parties wanted to see whether they could come to talk to each other. Also if you look at nature of pakistani politics these things are kept secret, for fear, embarrassment and also because no one sure if they would go through with it. Fear of any backlash and embarrassment because the parties engaged have previously attacked each other of the ugliest deeds ever imagined. So I think all bilateral talks has some sort of secrecy in the beginning but when certain agreement is reached they come to the fore or into the public. And I think if the talks are about ensuring that there should be free and fair elections, then I don’t mind if these talks are behind closed doors, because the people will always have the last say.
Musharraf can’t hold open talks, he knows that after the Supreme Court verdict his popularity has plummeted. He does not want to admit he is talking to people who he accused of plundering the nation and was the reason he came to power in the first place. I think he has realised that he was wrong just like Imran and MMA now think they were when they supported Musharraf. But more importantly he knows he needs liberal forces and despite all the negative comments that Benazir is getting I believe on the contrary that she is cleverly playing her cards.
nice one mr. ali.a typical example of hell with what is happening nd what everyone else is saying nd what is the ground reality.he wants all of us to sing’is percham ke saaye tale hum jiyale aik hain’.i think you have had a good long nice sleep.please try to wake up.subah ho gayi mamoon
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