Comments on: Insight with Javed Malik - 15 August 07 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/ pkpolitics.com Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:03:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Muhammad Ilyas Khan http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1567 Muhammad Ilyas Khan Sat, 18 Aug 2007 07:36:33 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1567 Nawaz Sharif said “his family has a long history in Pakistan industrialization and has donated a lot to Pakistan rather taken Nawaz Sharif said “his family has a long history in Pakistan industrialization and has donated a lot to Pakistan rather taken

]]> By: ahmed http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1505 ahmed Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:45:04 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1505 i am so happy that our youth has reached the stage where we can actually have civilized debates and discussion. Keep up the great work. InshaAllah, all of us can make this country proud. i am so happy that our youth has reached the stage where we can actually have civilized debates and discussion. Keep up the great work. InshaAllah, all of us can make this country proud.

]]> By: Mohsan (Japan) http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1468 Mohsan (Japan) Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:31:29 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1468 Dear Fellows, Nice discussion! This is a fact that NS was kept in dark about the whole Kargil misadventure by Pakistan Army. I read somewhere that Clinton showed a video to NS during his trip to USA immediately after Kargil Issue taken by satellite , that Pakistan Army actually mobilized the Nuclear Arsenals without any permission from PM. That time, i reallized that it is correct, `war is not such a non-serious issue that it can be left to generals only`. Unfortunately, Army has always launched a massive propaganda to demonize the politicians and we , due to our illiteracy, usually trust the uniform. Just think about the reason of military coup , if NS was not having right to remove the chief of army staff, which was his constitutional right, how the unconstitutional removals of NS, Rafiq Tarar, Justice Saeed-uz-zaman siddiqui, (Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan also) and recently Justice Iftikhar be justified. However, long and complicated story. Irony is that, we have not let democracy take roots in our society. at the start, we can wish for perfect democracy, it will get strong and mature with the passage of time. However, I am really happy that pakistani society in general has started understanding the real stories, credit goes to Media. Dear Fellows,
Nice discussion!
This is a fact that NS was kept in dark about the whole Kargil misadventure by Pakistan Army. I read somewhere that Clinton showed a video to NS during his trip to USA immediately after Kargil Issue taken by satellite , that Pakistan Army actually mobilized the Nuclear Arsenals without any permission from PM. That time, i reallized that it is correct, `war is not such a non-serious issue that it can be left to generals only`.
Unfortunately, Army has always launched a massive propaganda to demonize the politicians and we , due to our illiteracy, usually trust the uniform. Just think about the reason of military coup , if NS was not having right to remove the chief of army staff, which was his constitutional right, how the unconstitutional removals of NS, Rafiq Tarar, Justice Saeed-uz-zaman siddiqui, (Dr. Abdul Qadir Khan also) and recently Justice Iftikhar be justified.
However, long and complicated story. Irony is that, we have not let democracy take roots in our society. at the start, we can wish for perfect democracy, it will get strong and mature with the passage of time.
However, I am really happy that pakistani society in general has started understanding the real stories, credit goes to Media.

]]> By: Banta http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1443 Banta Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:46:48 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1443 AoA Fahim, I keep on giving reply to your allegations and you keep on generating news ones since you can't reply to old ones. - You are saying that 1997 elections were rigged, I think you forgot to check the 2002 elections under Musharraf and EU reports. - Lets assume both elections were rigged, you think the current polls on bbc, dawn, and pkpolitics are also rigged? Does President (actually DG) of ISI is rigging these polls too? - What did Bhutto get by not dealing with Zia? Sharif is smarter that he temporarily made deal and will be back now challenge Musharraf. - Are you advocate of Nisar and Javed Hashmi? If they themselves okay with Nawaz leaving Pakistan, then what is your problem? - If Nawaz government was involved in Kargil, then Mush had done first thing to investigate the issue, but instead Mush refuses any investigation. - The world was definitely worried that a rogue Army within a democratic country with nuclear were doing their own stunts without approval of PM. - Musharraf backstabbed Sharif when Sharif was sighing peace agreement with Vajpayee at Lahore and Mush was busy in Kargil attack. If you don't like democracy, you can relocate to Burma. Banta AoA Fahim,

I keep on giving reply to your allegations and you keep on generating news ones since you can’t reply to old ones.

- You are saying that 1997 elections were rigged, I think you forgot to check the 2002 elections under Musharraf and EU reports.

- Lets assume both elections were rigged, you think the current polls on bbc, dawn, and pkpolitics are also rigged? Does President (actually DG) of ISI is rigging these polls too?

- What did Bhutto get by not dealing with Zia? Sharif is smarter that he temporarily made deal and will be back now challenge Musharraf.

- Are you advocate of Nisar and Javed Hashmi? If they themselves okay with Nawaz leaving Pakistan, then what is your problem?

- If Nawaz government was involved in Kargil, then Mush had done first thing to investigate the issue, but instead Mush refuses any investigation.

- The world was definitely worried that a rogue Army within a democratic country with nuclear were doing their own stunts without approval of PM.

- Musharraf backstabbed Sharif when Sharif was sighing peace agreement with Vajpayee at Lahore and Mush was busy in Kargil attack.

If you don’t like democracy, you can relocate to Burma.

Banta

]]> By: Fahim http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1435 Fahim Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:44:08 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1435 AOA Banta PML(Q) was formed before he lift to SA...Does this give him a reason to leave Mushahid hussain, Makhdoom javed hashmi, Ch, nisar and other his own political workers? Did I say that those who are in PML(Q) are justified in anyway? Do you honestly believe he land slided the 97 election...just google "most rigged election of Pakistan" you will find the answer! [http://www.i-p-o.org/PAKELECT.HTM] Oh yea, your govt disrespect the pakistan, threaten the Supreme court and just say "sorry" thats all. Yous govt invade kargil, bring the nation at risk of nuclear war and just say "sorry"! Don't you think the people he choose for his party like choudhry brothers, tariq aziz etc who were his closest allies reflect his own personality and character? Just accept that we as a nation deserve hypocrites like NS, our heroes are those dumb haram khor industrialists. But please at least do not disrespect the real Greats and Heroes by calling him "Great" or "Hero!" AOA Banta

PML(Q) was formed before he lift to SA…Does this give him a reason to leave Mushahid hussain, Makhdoom javed hashmi, Ch, nisar and other his own political workers?

Did I say that those who are in PML(Q) are justified in anyway?

Do you honestly believe he land slided the 97 election…just google “most rigged election of Pakistan” you will find the answer! [http://www.i-p-o.org/PAKELECT.HTM]

Oh yea, your govt disrespect the pakistan, threaten the Supreme court and just say “sorry” thats all. Yous govt invade kargil, bring the nation at risk of nuclear war and just say “sorry”! Don’t you think the people he choose for his
party like choudhry brothers, tariq aziz etc who were his closest allies reflect his own personality and character?

Just accept that we as a nation deserve hypocrites like NS, our heroes are those dumb haram khor industrialists. But please at least do not disrespect the real Greats and Heroes by calling him “Great” or “Hero!”

]]> By: Shabbir http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1433 Shabbir Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:25:07 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1433 AOA. Nawaz Sharif is probaby the most popular leader in pakistan right now. He always was. Nothing was ever proven against him. Why does everyone forget that you cannot even compare Musharraf with Nawaz. Its like comapring oranges with bananas. One is a political leader who ruled with the mandate ofthe people - and the other is a military despot dictator who is ruling with the might of the gun. Its pathetic that we in pakistan are entering the 61st yaer of independence under the KHAKI SHADOWS Shabir. AOA.

Nawaz Sharif is probaby the most popular leader in pakistan right now. He always was. Nothing was ever proven against him.

Why does everyone forget that you cannot even compare Musharraf with Nawaz. Its like comapring oranges with bananas.

One is a political leader who ruled with the mandate ofthe people - and the other is a military despot dictator who is ruling with the might of the gun.

Its pathetic that we in pakistan are entering the 61st yaer of independence under the KHAKI SHADOWS

Shabir.

]]> By: Lubna Mustaqqem http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1431 Lubna Mustaqqem Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:21:27 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1431 Hey.. I LOVE JAVED MALIK - HE IS SO KOOL - I just watch the programme for him. As goes Nawaz Sharif, well i will say one thing he is much better than all the lot that we see around Mushy baby. ps. Does anyone have Javed Malik's e mail? Shazia Quddos Hey..

I LOVE JAVED MALIK - HE IS SO KOOL - I just watch the programme for him. As goes Nawaz Sharif, well i will say one thing he is much better than all the lot that we see around Mushy baby.

ps. Does anyone have Javed Malik’s e mail?

Shazia Quddos

]]> By: Banta http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1430 Banta Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:19:56 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1430 Fahim, - PML house was taken over by Q league much before he let to Saudi. - He clean swiped the elections in Pakistan from all provinces and he was what he was by choice of people. Yet, no one came out to protest his illegal detention. If he is at fault for leaving, then 2/3rd nation is also at fault for not raising their voice for illegal act by force of gun. - If somehow your leader runs away, does this make a valid justification for you to join illegitimate military dictator who previously fired your government? - Although he was not involved in assault on SC, he personally went to Supreme Court while he was PM and requested apologized on behalf of his entire party. - Can you tell me any recent leader who was not with military dictator? -- ZAB was minister with General Ayub -- MMA empowered Mush by 17th amendment -- Imran supported Mush in Referendum -- BB is arranging power sharing deal with Mush Shall we use an imported leader from New York like Shaukat Aziz who was never in politics? Banta Fahim,

- PML house was taken over by Q league much before he let to Saudi.

- He clean swiped the elections in Pakistan from all provinces and he was what he was by choice of people. Yet, no one came out to protest his illegal detention. If he is at fault for leaving, then 2/3rd nation is also at fault for not raising their voice for illegal act by force of gun.

- If somehow your leader runs away, does this make a valid justification for you to join illegitimate military dictator who previously fired your government?

- Although he was not involved in assault on SC, he personally went to Supreme Court while he was PM and requested apologized on behalf of his entire party.

- Can you tell me any recent leader who was not with military dictator?

– ZAB was minister with General Ayub
– MMA empowered Mush by 17th amendment
– Imran supported Mush in Referendum
– BB is arranging power sharing deal with Mush

Shall we use an imported leader from New York like Shaukat Aziz who was never in politics?

Banta

]]> By: Fahim http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1428 Fahim Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:01:06 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1428 AOA Banta Sajjad ali shah said I dunt know NS was personally on the SC assault ot nor. He clearly said NS was pressurizing him to give the verdicts as He (NS) desired. Why do you attribute the credits of his good things when you are not ready to blame him for the greatest blunders that took place in his government??? Just honestly look at his current statements and see his own actions of the past....Do you find any one thing tht does not contradict?? 1- Deal: Hasnt he cut the deal and left his own party workers in the same jail with all his family and about eight expert cooks of niharee??? Some lunatic was defending this act by arguing it was his father's order to leave this country. Well his father will is superior for thm thn the commitment with his workers! His brother shahbaz shareef rightly pointed out their mentality when he said ...for me "my father and elder brother is superior thn politics or anything else". In other words..pakistan or pakistanis go to hell we have to save our own ---. 2- Dialogues with military: Hasnt he been the PART of the worst military dictator we ever had, hasnt he the Cabinet member and CHEIF MINISTER in Zia's regime. Hasnt he been the President of ISI made IJI! 3- Independant judiciary: The rift between CJ sajjad ali shah and PM NS lead to the shameful disasterous act of assault on the supreme court of Pakistan. Didnt it took place under his nose, and wasnt that of HIS PARTY! If he is taking the credits of all good things why is he not accepting the responsiblity of this act being the PM and Chariamn of PML(N)??? Right now he is just WORDING for the democracy and anti-establishment govt? His ACTIONS are totally contradictory...still you are ready to support and believe this guy??? What a hypocrite will he be...when some one after doing all this suddenly becomes the champion of the democracy. Mush is not wanting investigation bcoz it was his pathetic mad idea! When I speak against NS people immediately accuse me of being in Mush;s camp. That only confirms my impression that...we are pathetically ignorant, short minded, short sighted and narrow minded people. AOA Banta

Sajjad ali shah said I dunt know NS was personally on the SC assault ot nor. He clearly said NS was pressurizing him to give the verdicts as He (NS) desired. Why do you attribute the credits of his good things when you are not ready to blame him for the greatest blunders that took place in his government???

Just honestly look at his current statements and see his own actions of the past….Do you find any one thing tht does not contradict??

1- Deal: Hasnt he cut the deal and left his own party workers in the same jail with all his family and about eight expert cooks of niharee??? Some lunatic was defending this act by arguing it was his father’s order to leave this country. Well his father will is superior for thm thn the commitment with his workers! His brother shahbaz shareef rightly pointed out their mentality when he said …for me “my father and elder brother is superior thn politics or anything else”. In other words..pakistan or pakistanis go to hell we have to save our own —.

2- Dialogues with military: Hasnt he been the PART of the worst military dictator we ever had, hasnt he the Cabinet member and CHEIF MINISTER in Zia’s regime. Hasnt he been the President of ISI made IJI!

3- Independant judiciary: The rift between CJ sajjad ali shah and PM NS lead to the shameful disasterous act of assault on the supreme court of Pakistan. Didnt it took place under his nose, and wasnt that of HIS PARTY! If he is taking the credits of all good things why is he not accepting the responsiblity of this act being the PM and Chariamn of PML(N)???

Right now he is just WORDING for the democracy and anti-establishment govt? His ACTIONS are totally contradictory…still you are ready to support and believe this guy???

What a hypocrite will he be…when some one after doing all this suddenly becomes the champion of the democracy.

Mush is not wanting investigation bcoz it was his pathetic mad idea!

When I speak against NS people immediately accuse me of being in Mush;s camp. That only confirms my impression that…we are pathetically ignorant, short minded, short sighted and narrow minded people.

]]> By: Banta http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1423 Banta Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:49:19 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2007/08/15/insight-with-javed-malik-15-august-07/#comment-1423 Fahim, - NS was thrown by GIK. He challenged his corruption in Supreme Court and got his Government back. Why didn't BB challenge it? - Not same Pakistani Courts, his trial was kept hidden from public and it was done in special anti-terrorism courts that are run under Military loyal to their chief. - There was a commission setup by Mush who investigated SC attack and they found Sharif not guilty. There is interview of CJ Sajjad Ali Shah on this pkpolitics site in Meray Mutabiq. Even he is not blaming Sharif. - We all want Kargil investigation, why Mush is refusing it? Banta Fahim,

- NS was thrown by GIK. He challenged his corruption in Supreme Court and got his Government back. Why didn’t BB challenge it?

- Not same Pakistani Courts, his trial was kept hidden from public and it was done in special anti-terrorism courts that are run under Military loyal to their chief.

- There was a commission setup by Mush who investigated SC attack and they found Sharif not guilty. There is interview of CJ Sajjad Ali Shah on this pkpolitics site in Meray Mutabiq. Even he is not blaming Sharif.

- We all want Kargil investigation, why Mush is refusing it?

Banta

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