almost 90 percent of visitors on this sites visit it for IK i guess

well Imran is a bold politicon in the history of pakistan n my vote goes 4 him….but 90% is a bit speculation adil

Bravo IK. PPP guy is getting angry ? but why,
isnt it true that BB is doing it for her personal cases.

Beautiful program. Kashif was great as usual, people like Babar Awan are having difficulties defending their ‘Ta Hayaaat Qaid’ BB. What a pity for them

Babar Awan is getting angry. Wow. PPP guys cannot hear the truth. BB is doing it for Cases.

CASES ONLY..loud and clear.

imran khan is my party and my leader..i vote, live and die for him…always

One can agree or dis-agree with IK, but everyone is clear where he stands.

I am very impressed with Imran Khan.

Babar Awan’s angers show how frustated PPP leaders are and they are not able to defend BB or their party.

IK is right, DEAL means secret pact. This deal is for BB and MUSHY, not for the people.

Now because NS is coming, BB is saying that she will come in weeks. Because she has realised that NS is more popular now.

Let BB make the deal and drown. NS will go to jail and will become more popular.

imran khan is my party’s and my leader. i vote, live and die for imran khan

Imran is the only hope….Man, he is one heck of leader….

Why was Babar Awan so annoyed???????????
He was rude, confrontational and sounded like an ignorant person. I was so disappointed that educated people like him can act so dumb!!!!!!!!!!!

What a program!!! Bravo Imran Khan…

IK Please stay honest… and one day you’ll be our PM…

Mr. Loota and Mr. BB SHAME ON YOU… do you think we believe you, when you say crap in front of public… BOO HOO… get a life and leave poor Pakistani people alone…

PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

Kashif rocks! So as Imran!

How intriguing! Power sharing? What power are they trying to share. None of them is empowered by the people of the country yet? If powers are being shared and distributed before the elections, then what’s need for staging a drama called “elections”?
Another thing, the power being shared, isn’t it the one being conferred by washington? Its really disgusting that a person claiming to be a patriotic pakistani, begs washington and tel aviv for helping her into power.
And who is Mush to wave off the billions stolen from the powerty stricken pakistani people?

Correction: Pls replace the ” powerty” in the las sentence by “poverty”.

Bravo Imran Khan …… There is something pushes me to believe on him. May be he is the one who gonna bring us out from this disaster.

I love the way Imran laughs at the blatantly illogical and incorrect statements of other participants…:)

Imran khan and kashig abbasi got exposed for their bias. Kashif gives them 10 minutes to speak their heart out, but only gives babar one minute “summarize kardo babar saab aik mint main”. One needs to ask Imran that if he is such a champion for democracy, and is insisting that benazir’s cases shouldn’t be dropped bcz 1.5 billion dollars have been spent on it, than why doesn’t he say that nawaz sharif should go to jail and serve his sentence that the court gave against him? Where is his principles there? Just another opportunist. And seriously imran is just getting sillier ans sillier. His logic is ridiculous. He admits the cases against bb are politically motivated. Than why doesn’t he agree with them being dismissed? Just bcz 1.5 billions rupees have been spent on it? What does he want, more money to be spent on it? He doesn’t talk about the time when he was running around like mush’s pet during the referendum of 2002. And by the end of the show all he has left is why is she talking to american officials. What is he her, father? Oh she has to ask his permission to go out! What a lame argument. One should ask him , why do u sleep with americans? Nawaz sharif gave a statement that he will fight war on terrorism with u.s., what does imran khan have to say about that? But of course he will keep quite there. A hypocrite.

from tipu
“I love the way Imran laughs at the blatantly illogical and incorrect statements of other participants…:) ”

from Saad Khan
“imran khan is my party’s and my leader. i vote, live and die for imran khan”

from adil
“almost 90 percent of visitors on this sites visit it for IK i guess”

these comments are totally gay. I thot Babar Awan was quite logical and he got angry rightly bcos he did not get enough time to defend BB

aoa

i wish the show was longer

Very lively program, Kashif conducted it superbly. Its a pity that leaders put their workers like Babar Awan in such a tough position where he is no position to defend. Tariq Azeem continued his journey in favour of dictator ship. Imran was candidly exposed blatant manner in which the spirit of Constitution is being violated by person specific changes (”thanaydar ko bhee haque hona chahyay sadr ka intekhab larnay ka). One thing which I missed in this program is the fact that this is not the 1st time that the constitution has been twisted in this manner, there is one precedence during one of the democratic government tenures when person specific amendments were made, this should have been brought up. Shame on Musharraf & PPP for this disgraceful deed.

It surprises me that even after watching them live on t.v unable to defend corruption charges against them, some people are still craving for so called leaders like BB, NS & Parvez etc.
How true Quran is when it says that Allah has stamped their hearts, their eyes, their ears…
If few people in laal masjid takes law in their hands then they can be burnt alive with other innocents but if an army chief kicks the butt of constitution then instead of hanging him he is acceptable.
If someone advises to negotiate with so called terrorists of wazirastan etc then it hurts BB’s emotions but to negotiate with Musharraf in whose regime PPP workers were tortured and thrown into jails, she has no problem.
Is this a joke ? Do those leaders think people of Pakistan as their “kammi” and “hari” ?
Probably they are right cuz there are still so many out there who sing for their so called leaders.

Imran khan is brilliant but we need to check is relations with NS , we need to know his views about NS cases & his statements which NS give on CNN , I think he little bit shy when he talk about that , I believe he need to more brave than he will win mind of Pakistani peoples as he already own harts of the peoples ,

10 out 10 to Kashif Abbassi. He managed and kept the program on track.
Babar Awan acted so desperate and pissed off may be guilty conscious. Both ppp and plmq had lame excuses and Imran was the only one making sense and logic.

yo YASAR, ppp and all the other liars have cases and they’re now trying defend his party! There is no bias LOL, babar talked for about 10 minutes himself to defend. Dont be such a hater. I guess you are a musharraf lover or something.

Zardari and Benazir have officially accepted the ownership of Surrey Palace, its ironic the jiyalas still wanna defend her..
Imran Khan is great as usual, but he should also let other members of party groom. No one from his party get to represent the PTI. How long can he single handedly fight

Well they Imran is explaining thisgs is just superb. There is no compare between him and any other politician. So no coomets about that.

Babar was a bit annoyed but he didnt have the proper answer for any question bcos BB is wrong. he can not make wrong things in a right way.
Tariq Azeem was also hel[pless.
Imran wa Bold enough bcos there is no cases of corruption or anyhting against him. He is honest and true man. Even here if people dont find anyhting against him then they start to find out his opinions about others or attack on his personal life. Shame on you guys!!! Lets face the fact. He is the ebst hope for pakistan and do supposrt him if you love Pakistan.
MAY ALLAH BLESS PAKSIATN

@ yasar,

you are here again as a frustrated Jieyala and repeating ur illogical logics that have been replied duely in other threads , and u r starting it here again…
1-Even in tis programme despearated angry babar awan cud not hide that zardari has accepted owenership of Surrey Palace…now if Zardari is denying that…u jeieala r still blindly beating the same drum to deny it..

2- Imran did not say that 1.5 b $ were spent on cases….do lsiten to programem again…he is referring to the amount allegedly looted by ur belove BB n co.
3- Imran said that if BB thinks she cant get utice under the Mush govt, then these cases shud be put to the independent judiciary after the removal of Mush…ISNT IT FAIR??? i think any person wh is not blind and who ears and brain area working properly and who has something left of ethics and moral practices of civilized society, He will agree that this shud be the way to deal succh cases.
WHY IS BB AFRAID OF INDEPENDENT JUDICIARY??
3-Nawaz sharif ws NOT CONVICTED IN ANY CASE OF CORUPTION……..so how can u compare BB and NS cases?………and Nawaz sahrif is reaady to face all the cases afetr his return to paksitna becos he is confiident and beleives that in independent judiciaty, he will be cleared off such cases easily ( and dont forget there are not corruption cases against him).

Well the things is nobody likes musharaf however the point is nobody sees an alternate apart from him.people are saying nawaz sahrif is ok,I will only say just think what good he have done for the country
HE RUN AWAY!!!when his people need him
My suggestion to him keep away from pakistan
we have our leader
No nazaw only imran khan

Baber Awan kick’d ssa!

Go Baber Go!

Enough is enough, we will not be cornered. Even Imran who has allied himself with reactionary and right-wing conservatives likes Nawaz (bhagora) and MMA (twisted Mullahs who are in the government and opposition) has rightly realised that Peoples Party is party of the people and federation of Pakistan. It has sacrficed in all its history, the single largest party who got the majority of votes in 2002 (even though it was brutally rigges). It has been denied its rightful claim to form government in the centre and in Sindh and Punjab. Now suddenly they have become ‘dealers’, if it wanted any deal, it would have done long ago in 2002 when Musharrafed asked Amin Fahim to be the PM, but they refused and faced all the cases. If telling Musharraf that we want free elections, no uniform President and no President from this electrorate is ‘deal’, then indeed they made a deal, atleast they didn’t create the whole situation when MMA blissfully ruined this country by 17th Amendment. Now when the PPP is asking for a peaceful transition, instead of head-on collision, reactionary forces are sacred.

If saying we want free election, in a fair playing field, with an interm government, when everyone can participate and people can vote in any party, is deal, then so be it.

Very lively program, Kashif conducted it superbly. Its a pity that leaders put their workers like Babar Awan in such a tough position where he is no position to defend. Tariq Azeem continued his journey in favour of dictator ship. Imran was candidly exposed blatant manner in which the spirit of Constitution is being violated by person specific changes (”thanaydar ko bhee haque hona chahyay sadr ka intekhab larnay ka). One thing which I missed in this program is the fact that this is not the 1st time that the constitution has been twisted in this manner, there is one precedence during one of the democratic government tenures when person specific amendments were made, this should have been brought up. Shame on Musharraf & PPP for this disgraceful deed.

Imran wins hands down!!!!!

Babir Awan had no answer to the questions put up to him. He just wanted to buy time by speaking loud and iterrupting. BB has left no moral grounds for her party leaders to defend her. Its becoming incresingly hard to do this

Tariq Azeem ….no comments (as derogatory language is not allowed in this section)

It was a very lively program, Kashif conducted it superbly. Its a pity that leaders put their workers like Babar Awan in such a tough position where he is no position to defend. Tariq Azeem continued his journey in favour of dictator ship. Imran was candidly exposed blatant manner in which the spirit of Constitution is being violated by person specific changes (”thanaydar ko bhee haque hona chahyay sadr ka intekhab larnay ka). One thing which I missed in this program is the fact that this is not the 1st time that the constitution has been twisted in this manner, there is one precedence during one of the democratic government tenures when person specific amendments were made, this should have been brought up. Shame on Musharraf & PPP for this disgraceful deed.

@surkha,
I am sure you must be kidding. You cannot be so blind Jiayalla that after watching poor babar Awan (A good Lawer) couldn’t do any defence but shout and scream.

Every one ask why IK do not became populor in Pakistan politic reason is very simple he is the biggest fool in the areana. Their is only two party in Pakistan they are PNA or IJI or ADPM that means establisment the other party is PPP.

@ Admin please post French24 debate on Pakistan(in English)fellow the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0jXZ03tpNI

Thanks

@ Taimur:

U said babar talked for 10 min. That was only after babar punked off kashif abbasi and kashif was getting the jitters that he might be exposed for being an unethical anchor, so he finally agave him 10 min. You said that i am a musharraf lover. Yeah i am a mush lover…. and the world is flat. How ridiculous can you be to assume that? I think you have smoked too much weed!

@ G Mustafa:

It’s ironic that u are saying you have duely replied to me bcz i never get a reply from you when i put my questions at you. Unfortunatley i have grown so tired of you, that i will be brief and to the point:

1. Concerning surry palace, the U.K court has already passed a verdict that the palace was not bought by zardari. Zardari never accepted ownership of the palace. He only said that if the pakistani government says it is my property , than why doesn’t it give it to me? The government, obviously did not give it to him bcz it was not his property. This trick of zardari proved that the government had made a false case on him. A case begun by nawaz sharif.

2. Imran khan said in the show that who is mush to dismiss the cases against benazir bcz 1.5 billion dollars have been spent by the government on it. This is on record. Rewind the video and play it. And u accuse me of following things blindly… I said that if that is Imran khan’s logic, than why doesn’t he say who was mush to let ns go away from paksitan without serving his sentence passed by a pakistani court? Surely, shouldn’t he serve his sentence bcz mush has no authority to forgive him, as imran claims? I think their is nothing illogical in what i have just said. It only exposes the bias of u apdm , i mean anti-peoples party guys who have double standards. So that blows another whole in ur propoganda.

3. As far as u saying bb is afraid of independant judiciary, yeah that’s why she is spending 11 years in courts around the world due to the false cases made against her by that hyena, ns. This is just a trick by u apdm guys to keep bb in the courts with those false cases which ur own leaders admit are false, so that she can not carry out her election campaign. This is bcz u are all opportunist who have no hope of beating bb in elections fair in square. Otherwise, u would not be making such a fuss of bb.

4. U said there are no corruption cases against ns? Really, how stupid do u take me to be? That guy takes a bath in bills. He made a deal in order to escape the sentence that courts gave against him in 2000. And u say bb should face her cases….. Maybe u should give that same advice to ns!

@M khan

I am sure I am *not* kidding, and very clear and watchful of the fact that Baber Awan was protesting and agitating against this sheer conspiracy and blame game that has been the strategy of all opposition parties inclding some conservative media cricles of sidelining the largest Party of Pakistan by blaming them of aligning itself with a miliatry dictator to get some concession when all they (ppp) are asking is, to hold a free and fair election in the country so that every political party has fair playing ground without a hint of marginalizing anyone. If you think free elections are solution to our problems then no one should be worried about any deal, because then people have to decide who can govern them and who should be ousted.

If you think that ppp is wrong then you should decide it through fair elections. All else is pure gibberish.

@Yasar,

I am sure you can express your feelings with simpler words. Just to avoid making this site a platform for hate speech, I have removed some of your words. Please try to not use them again and contact me if you find something objectionable on this site.

I did not have any filtering until last week and I was manually reviewing comments. I am trying to use an automatic filter that will hold all objectionable comments until I manually check them, which might cause delay.

Thanks for understanding.

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not even a single video is working right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Surkha
“….and MMA (twisted Mullahs who are in the government and opposition)….It has sacrficed in all its history, the single largest party who got the majority of votes in 2002 (even though it was brutally rigges). It has been denied its rightful claim to form government in the centre and in Sindh and Punjab…..”

So if MMA gets majority in NWFP and makes its govt without any coalition then they are twisted Mullahs but when PPP’s right was denied (by the coalition of different parties) then everything is unfair.

“….Now suddenly they have become ‘dealers’, if it wanted any deal, it would have done long ago in 2002 when Musharrafed asked Amin Fahim to be the PM, but they refused and faced all the cases….”

Poor Amin Fahim, do you really think that in the presence of democracy lover “tahayaat chairperson” any common party worker can become PM. Next in line are Asifa, Bilawal so workers have to wait.

“…Peoples Party is party of the people…”

Thats why people can not become PM, its only Bhutto family’s right.

“….If telling Musharraf that we want free elections, no uniform President and no President from this electrorate is ‘deal’, then indeed they made a deal, atleast they didn’t create the whole situation when MMA blissfully ruined this country by 17th Amendment. Now when the PPP is asking for a peaceful transition, instead of head-on collision, reactionary forces are sacred….”

How innocent, same arguments were given by “twisted Mullahs” back then however “sipah salar e azam” of Muslim army turned down his promise.
Morever these are not the only demands of BB, she wants her cases to be withdrawn too. Why ? If they are all wrong, she should face them in courts.

I wonder when people will be freed from the slavery of Fuedals & Traders.

@ Yasar

Brother till when you will fight for those corrupt leaders (whether BB or NS or Mullahs) ? What happened to our ego that even by knowing the truth in our hearts, we dont wanna face them.
Here are some parts of London Court’s judgement;
“The London court has also fined Zardari £35000 for filing a false petition to halt the court proceedings against him.
The court has also dismissed Zardari’s petition challenging its jurisdiction to hear the Rockwood Palace case.
The English High Court Judge Mr. Justice Lawrence Collins reviewed in detail the merits of the case and concluded:
“I accept Pakistan’s case that it has a real prospect on merits. Mr. Zardari sought to conceal his interest in the Rockwood Estate.Mr. Zardari has not answered Pakistan’s case that he did not disclose his ownership of the Rockwood Estate or the defendant companies in his 1995 and 1996 tax returns in Pakistan, or in his asset declaration filed in February 1997 as part of his nomination papers for election to the senate.�
Mr. Justice Collins further writes in his judgment that
“there is direct evidence that the Cotecna/SGS payments were used to source the cost of refurbishment moniesâ€? for the Surrey Palace paid from a Swiss bank accounts of a company called Bomer, and that “there is evidence that Mr. Zardari was the beneficial owner and controller of Bomerâ€?. “No explanationâ€?, he said, “has been given by Mr. Zardari of the source of the payments into the Bomer accounts.. .Bomer had no commercial business of its own, and it was a vehicle for Mr Zardari and/or Ms Bhutto. There is material evidence that they were behind a number of other off-shore companies used to receive bribes (while concealing their interests)… I accept that it is inherently improbable that Mr. Zardari would have wished Bomer, which was used to receive funds from SGS and Cotecna, to receive funds deriving from legitimate sources. All the monies in the various Swiss bank accounts seem to have been treated as being effectively part of the same fund.â€?
The Judgment continues:
“There is, in my judgment, a reasonable prospect of Pakistan establishing that (a) Mr. Zardari and/or Ms. Bhutto instructed Mr. Schlegelmilch and Mr. Howard to facilitate the purchase and refurbishment of the Rockwood Estate;
Accordingly, the English High Court proceedings will commence shortly, and Mr. Zardari is finally to explain, as to how he purchased and refurbished the Surrey Palace, after so many years of denials, which he has now admitted being its owner.
…..”
Source: http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/oct-2006/7/index2.php

I am really very pleased when I see so many supporters of Imran Khan, He is the only hope in the Pakistan Politics. I had never liked Pakistan Politics but now Imran Khan has impressed me so much, and I want to see this great man as the leader of the nation.

Dear visitors let us think how can we contribute to make him , Leader of our nation.

Thanks

@Faisal Daud

1. First of all I didn’t say that MMA was in any way improper or shoudn’t be in power in NWFP where they got the majority of votes, my contention is that, shouldn’t PPP be allowed to form government in centre where it got majority of the votes, and in Sindh and Punjab. Second I am arguing against their twisted strategy when they oppose the dictator who is the centre of power and still be in coalition with the ruling party (created by Musharraf himself) in Baluchistan. They supported and were the part and parcel of this whole 17th Amendment mess, and if they sincerely want to oppose dictatorship, shouldn’t they resign and give-up their government, like PPP when they refused to be any part of government under Musharraf.

2. If Amin Fahim would have accepted the PM, don’t you think as the Party President he would have done everything to terminate all the false corruption cases against PPP leaders and could have conveniently bring back Benazir and accept Musharraf as dictator. NO he didnt and the party didn’t approve of it. Its not about person its about ideology of party.

3. Its a representative democracy you dumb, people vote for visionary representative leaders to solve their problems. The masses look forward and vote for their elected representative, thats why they bring in their leaders to solve their problems. And if they bring in Bhuttos who are we to object, isnt it the essence of democracy?

4. The ‘twisted Mullahs’ were so incompetent that they believed in what Musharraf promised them and never made him to actually put it down in writing in 17th Amendment that he would shed off his uniform in 2004. What PPP is trying to do, is to commit him in writing and in practice that he should doff his uniform and shouldn’t try to elect himself president.

5. The cases against PPP leaders were politically motivated by the Nawaz regime and his cronies like Saif-ur-Rehman. From 1997 to 2008 not a single conviction has been attained after spending millions of dollars by Nawaz and Musharraf regime. The courts in these years were under government control and even in those circumstances they couldn’t prove a single thing , two of the high court judges had to resign because of their apparent biasness and unfair judgement, one of which is the attorney general of Pakistan. We have a moral and ethical right to demand these cases should be withdrawn.

Kashif has become a good compare. Imran Khan was great as ever. Babar Awan kept on making noise without logic. It is crystal clear that BB is giving another 5 years to dictator so how can these PPP leaders boast of democracy.

The slogan-ism is blinding the reality again. The real question is whether one should abandon ethical, moral, and legal private interest while in public service. The answer is that one must if I ma not that one. We must respect that every individual has right to “life, liberty , and pursuit of happiness”. Once we recognize that individual interest only then we can work toward collective interest. I had a great respect for Imran but he has proved his lack of comprehension of the political issues. I strongly admire his leadership in cricket and non-profit sector. However his understanding of political arena is entirely flawed. I will go back to the basic rule, it is not about who is right to win an argument but to develop minimum consensus to develop and strengthen communities.

Regards

1. I think PPP’s all politics is based on the person who no more exists in this world. And for his sacrifice, they found only his daughter to play politics. So disgusting for the people that the so called largest party could not find any other reason for this game. PPP just need any body with the name of ‘Bhutto’ to keep their politics alive. In the modern world (as the party admits itself to be a part of it), she should have named herself Benazir Zardari, but since she knew PPP would die by this act, she kept it like BB. I would not be surprised if her sons are also named Bhutto for these political motives.
2. The ‘dialogue’ is between the chairperson of the party (may be Amin Fahim has a little say as well although he is just there to give statements after the meeting) and the ISI chief (although they say Mr Tariq is negotiating but every body knows that actually it is the ISI). I don’t think BB would accept until she is 100 percent sure she would be Prime Minister. I am pretty sure in this case that there would be ‘Free Elections’.
3. Being the ’strongest’ party in Punjab and Sindh, since PPP had no political strength in the public so they preferred standing watching out there instead of doing any political role. I don’t remember any protest made by PPP in 2004 or later.
4. I think the reason for not sitting with MMA is simply straight forward. They just don’t want to show an alliance with the Mullahs since this will damage their image in the Western World. The reason of MMA being a party in the Govt appears much less than a childish one.

as salam u alaikum,
PPP guy had only one argument that we are doing wrong moves because every one else had done it some how.
IK said correctly, two wrongs cannot make a right.

imran is a honest man ,,wel done imran

superb show by kashif!!!
i dont know why ppl get jealous when i praise him ….he deserve it ….
imran khan is definetly a good speaker …always talks sensibly,firmly and without any ambiguity…thats why i always enjoy his interviews..
other politicians interviews specaily GOVT ministers and spokesmen interviews shud be put in the entertainment section..

IK was brilliant as usual. He is so vocal because he has no reservations and nothing to hide. Long Live Imran Khan.

I can’t believe that yasar and people like sukhra are still defending PPP. Either they are totally blinded or they have their vested interst in defending PPP and BB. The way Babar Awan reacted shows clearly his frustration. His inability to defend made him angry. It was not the time, becuz when he spoke he couldn’t give a valid argument. In Pakistan the system of judiciary is so bad that usually it takes a long time for cases to be decided and cases of such high profile. The thing is you people only want to hear ur part of the story. If today IK starts saying Benazir is right, both of you will accept him as a great leader and a man of integrity and this and that. My plea to you is see what the majority now is saying and thinking. We dont want Mir Jaffers and Mir Sadiqs in our rank.

imran khan is my party’s and my leader..i vote, live and die for imran khan

PPP and PML are hopeless. Their speakers kept avoiding all the important questions and were just beating around the bush. I am extremely disgusted with these parties.

PPP should at least send someone who doesn’t have a bad temper for talk shows like these. How could people who don’t even have manners to talk could talk about running a country? It really beats me!

The only hope I see lies with Imran Khan. I don’t care what he did in his personal life. What he has done for me (Pakistani people) is what I care about the most. Honest people like him could never flourish in Pakistan but I still pray that he gets a chance to do something for the country.

Yassar and Jawad Raja’s points are valid, however falsehood is prevailing.

Long Live The TIGER!

The Future of Pakistan.

He’s waking up a sleeping nation which has been being robbed by Criminal minded people for the last 60 Years and they broken it and have taken to edge of breaking up again.

Corruptiona and criminality spread like a cancer….

How fitting Imran Khan opened up a Cancer Hospital!!!!!

all load of shit from PML (Q) rep and PPP rep. Shows how good Mr. Khan would be for our Future PAKISTAN.
Lets us all unite and support PTI to bring a real change in this country….. INSHALLAH

The show goes to……

well, jointly to

IMRAN KHAN
and
….
….

KASHIF.

Babur.
1. Daring, assertive approach. But you can’t prove garbage to be gold by courage and aeertiveness only. It has to be gold to be called gold.

2. For PPP supporters. Listen carefully. Babur came up with only 10% counter arguements and 90% counter accusitions.

Tariq.
Well. What can we say.
DIL KA JANA TEHAR GIYA HEY SUBAH GIYA KEY SHAM GIYA.

One thing is for sure. Q League is all set to take down PPP with it to extreme depths of ZILLAT. But definetly with courtesy and full support of BB, not rest of PPP.

Imran Tiger Khan,is a real hero none of speakers was as logical than him.He is a real Genius

Imran Khan Zindabad.

He is honest and not a murderer like MQM or corrupt like PPP and PML.

@ Surkha
I respect your political views and admire your struggle to defend your “representatives” of representative democracy.
You took me wrong here that perhaps I am defending Mullahs, NO sir, all I am saying is that PPP is going to do same thing for which Mullahs were and still being cursed. There is absolutely no logic behind “negotiating” with a dictator. Giving him 48 hours deadline, talking about “power sharing” shows nothing but BB’s utmost desperation for “kursi”. This is the only way she wants to server her country i.e. becoming PM. How funny, when you are out of power then stay in Dubai or London or Jeddah and when “suitable” time comes then come back to sit on “kursi”. PETHATIC. In last 8 years this is the first time when general is on backfoot so its a high time to blackmail him.
We do not have congressional system rather parliamentarism. Thats why its a lame logic to say that why we couldn’t make a govt when we had majority of votes.
Regarding their corruption cases, so much has been said and presented that only a punk will still try to prove them angles.
Brother all I am trying to say is that we should break those idols of personalities in our hearts. People come, people go but ideology stays there. PPP’s ideology could be my favorite but its no longer mere ideology, it has become a tool to exploit common people in the hands of few fuedals (mindset).

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/a-critical-time-for-pakistan/2007/09/06/1188783409814.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1

@ faisal daud

Very logical and very relevant

“All I am saying is that PPP is going to do same thing for which Mullahs were and still being cursed”

“Brother all I am trying to say is that we should break those idols of personalities in our hearts. People come, people go but ideology stays there. PPP’s ideology could be my favorite but its no longer mere ideology, it has become a tool to exploit common people in the hands of few fuedals”

I support your view point.
And happy to see that now there are other people on this forum who discuss issues decently.

@Faisal Daud

1. How can you claim that PPP will make the same mistakes as Mullahs, when my argument clearly says that Mullahs were a bunch of incompetent politicians who blindly accepted what Musharraf had promised them and never had the courage, audacity and political sense to say NO to 17th Amendement or even if they had decided to pass it, put a clear clause in writing which would have made Musharraf doff his uniform off in 2004 and we wouldn’t have this mess

2. If for the sake of argument, say that Bebazir is doing it for ‘kursi’ and ‘power-sharing’ as you claim, then brother my only contention is that this is a contradiction, because PPP’s first demand is to hold free and fair election under international observers and independent election commission and media. Don’t you think that all these demands would defy Benazir’s purpose of ‘kursi’ and ‘power-sharing’. If free elections are held then it is the will of the people to decide whether they want to give ‘kursi’ to Benazir or not. You can have your say in a free election and can vote against PPP if you think all these talks are farce. Fair enough?

3. PPP’s politics does not necessarily revolve around an idol, they have in their ranks the likes of briliant politicians and leaders, Aitezaz Ahsan, Yousuf Raza Gilani, Raza Rabbani, Jhangir Badar, Nisar Khoro, Aftab Shaban Mirani, Babar Awan, Shah Mehmood Qureshi to name just a few. It is the ideology of PPP that holds these smart politicians together, if it were corrupt or had lost its path then they wouldn’t have been the part of it.

Whatever, Imran Khan is the most legit candidate in Pakistan right now and whatever people like you say against him will not change my view. All others are liars, you can sense it when they are trying to defend themselves and make promises that they will make the country better.
Benzir is the one who has done a deal with musharraf in the interest of her personal matters not nawaz sharif, sharif got the order from supreme court of pakistan and he can go to pakistan whenever he wants now. But in my view both of them are creeps!

@Surkha
Points well made.
If Mullahs are bunch of incompetent politicians then how it proves that PPPs leadership is showing any competency by doing a deal or “dialogue” ? (Although most journalists beleive that Maulana played his cards more wisely than any other politician.)
Secondly do you honestly think that general will accept all those good things happily and will thank BB for reminding him about forgotten lesson ? Dont you see he is deseperately looking around for help to buy some time ? Although its absolute ridicule to talk to a dictator still dont you think there will be a give and take ? Do you think that either BB or Musharraf will bring all the terms and conditions of dialogue in public ?
I bet you sir that if CJ would have not defied, Musharraf would never have opened doors for negotiation. The thing is that lawyers, political workers & common people did their job very well to push him on backfoot & it was now the duty of Political parties to give a last push to throw this monster of army rule into a ditch forever. If instead of a blunt NO we start negotiating with him then it will become precedence for next marshal law admin that rule for couple of years and when you are in trouble then start negotiating with political parties.
Is this our fate that we keep on shedding blood for our soverignity and when the time comes to pick fruit a deal or dialogue sabotage everything ? Aren’t we going through this viscious circle again and again ?
Doesn’t it look so obvious that people of Pakistan are looking at their “leaders” while leaders are circling their Mekkah and Madina of Washington DC. No one asks what people of Pakistan wants, everyone wants to get an NOC from DC. Once everything will be confirmed from his higness in DC then people’s leader will come back to Pak. If not then why those leaders (either BB or NS) confirming US that they will continue her so called war agains terror? Why we are presenting necks of our soldiers for Americans ?
You mentioned that people of Pakistan wants to see her PM. It is sad to see that if well educated people like you are spell bound by personalities then what we will say about common people? Afsos sud Afsos…Ghulaam ibn e ghulaam ibn e ghulaam …..

@ taimur

Yes, IK is a legitimate candidate but the problem is that he has an illegitimate…

Ooooooops.
Sorry. LOL.

Just Kidding.

As a matter of principle, it is better to trust someone new than to trust someone who has already disappointed you. But let us be practical. IK has very little vote bank. Per force he will have to make alliance with NS and Qazi.

To me it is OK.

Vote bank of NS.
Vision and courage of IK.
Dynamic nature of SS (Shahbaz).
Sincereity of Qazi.

Will soneone support me on this theory?
Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

imran khan is really brillant

he is last hope for pakistan

@ Adam

I would love to support your point of view but I am affraid that after six months IK starts complaining same about NS as he is complaining now about Musharraf. I have a question from IK that why he is looking for third party support. Rather he should continue with his cause by his own and very likely young generation may help him.
Like when Khumaini was being thrown away from Iran one official asked him where is your revolution now and he replied holding fingers of their fathers and in the wombs of their mothers. I dont know if this story is true or not but gives a very clear message to trust in yourself and in the power of your ideology. If Allah wills people will come around you. Your job is to keep on doing your work, victory or defeat is not the goal. You are victorious in either situation. Thats what all the prophets did.

“jis dhaj say koi maktal main gaya woh shaan salamat rahti hai
yeh jan to ani jani hai iss jan ki to koi baat naheen”

@Faisal Daud

1. The PPP leadership is showing more competency and political maturity than Mullahs and Nawaz for that matter. First they will never repeat the mistakes of Mullahs, because they never in the first place approved of the 17th Amendment and will never give any room to military dictatorship because the PPP has always been against it, when most of the Mullahs and Nawaz are part and product of the past military dictators.

2. The dialogue is for smooth transition and to avoid any head-on collision with establishment, not that PPP has never done that in the past, the history of PPP speaks for itself, but that the seriousness of the situation in the country. Poeple are dying on daily basis, there is a civil war going on in two of the provinces. In these circumstances if we sit and talk and make it clear to the military which Musharraf is a figure-head, then we can save lives of people, if we prefer the path of street agitation there are chances that it could result in yet another military rule. But again that option is always there if PML(Q) and Musharraf are tenaciously unwilling to give-in to public demand.

3. Its not absolutely ridiculous to talk to a dictator, Bhutto did talk to Yahya Khan in 1969, he even talked to Zia after his coup. These dictators are not Martians, they are product of our system and part of our military. Telling them that look enough is enough, we respect military but you guys shouldn’t be a part of civilian government and the popular sentiment against you has reached its level high, the times are serious and the country is on the verge of breaking down. We don’t want confrontation, let a civilian government come to power under a free interm government and election.

4. Yes you are correct, the CJ verdict was indeed one strong aspect of bringing Musharraf to its knees, but that doesn’t mean the politicians have to leave everything to SC and file petition after petition. They have a role to play to and there can be two methods, the transformists methods and the transitionist method, the objectives for both are same, only the method is different. Right now the transitionist still want to give dailogue a chance, we can and must behave like civilized people and solve our difference by dialogue, but remember the transformists method is always available, its just that it can result in serious consequences.

@ Surkha
Yar I think we are keep on arguing about same things again & again without reaching any conclusion.
I will not prolong it and will just comment on one thing that Bhutto shaheed was also product of a military dictator.
In the end all I can say about your comments is that,
“tairay waaday par jiyeh hum tau yeh jaan jhoot jana…
k khushi say mar na jatay agar aitebar hota.”

Adam,
I did respond to your post about supporting your views for IK however for some unknown reasons admin has picked it up for moderation.
Whether I support it or no, you will come to know only if admin let it post here.
chao

@Faisal Daud

I have convincingly argued against all of your arguments. You have a problem with your ‘feeling’ you tend to believe that this dialogue is farce because it has some ulterior motives and not done in any honesty.

My answer to that would be to argue that PPP leadership is not stupid to align itself with a dictator who is becoming weaker every passing day and the popular sentiment against it very strong. PPP had the option of confrontation and could have easily come into power in next elections with Nawaz and MMA and removed all the cases against its leadership, if the sole purpose of its struggle was just to remove cases and come into power.

@ Surkha

I believe I never showed in any of my comment that this whole discussion is absurd. We argued and counter argued. My point was that we are stuck on one thing. I am emphasizing on NO talks to dictators. period. Doesn’t matter what it takes, enough is enough. People are already living an insane life so threatening of civil war etc is nothing but totally preposterous. Time to say tootles general. If you think that a real soverign Pakistan can come into being without any revolution and through dialogues then its your point of view. However as you are telling me past track record of PPP similarly we have a past of those generals too.
Your point is that talking to dictator for a noble cause is a justification of itself i.e. to give them a safe path to send them back to where they belong.
In between we discussed their personalities but at the end I realized that this discussion is leading to nowhere.

@ Faisal Daud

Yes, agree to your last mails.

Our contribution may be small.
It may be futile now.

But there are two things

1. At least we’ll have the satisfaction that we did something right.

2. And if we did right, it will pay off some day.

“True spirit of life lies in planting trees under whose shade you never expect to rest”

Thanks for sharing Faiz. But

Though I consider death just a transition from this world to another world,
even then, I’ll not like to go to MAKTAL for politics in Pakistan, at least not for the present politics.
LOL.
Just on the lighter side.

PS. By the way, now a days you don’t have to go to MAKTAL for offering your QURBANI. we have MAKTALs everywhere, Lal masjid, Waziristan, RA Bazar etc etc.

So we have another TOPI DRAMA

RAO SIKANDAR is being prepared to PLAY Mr President for next couple of weeks and extend PM’s tenure as COAS.

Great People to be citizen under!!!!!

This guy had a heart attack about 8 weeks ago and was in coma for about two weeks.

Just the right sort of person who would extend Mush’s tenure!!!!

It’s nothing more than a desperate joke. Musha and his team are counting their hours. Trust me on this.

@Faisal Daud

I think you misunderstood me there, when I said “You have a problem with your ‘feeling’ you tend to believe that this dialogue is farce because it has some ulterior motives” I meant the ‘dialogue’ between PPP and Musharraf and not our discussion on this thread, I don’t think this discussion was ever absurd.

Further to the discussion I think this might make things more clear:

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200797\story_7-9-2007_pg3_1

@ Surkha

My apologiese for misunderstanding your comment.
I will visit the link you sent in a while.
Regards.

@ Sarkar

I read this editorial and frankly I haven’t read such a confused article before that. Those who are not in favour of any deal or dialogue with dictator have been characterised as emotionals while those who are in favor of deal are considered intellectuals. And both are declared as democracy lovers.
The writer must be on the height of saintism where everything becomes one, no kala no gora no kafir no momin, everything becomes one and all colors become homogenous.
In other words if one talks about rule of law, transparency and demands bringing criminal general to law then he is emotional. So tomorrow another general will be poked by his gods in DC & he will conquer his own country again, another movement will be launched and when his time to go will approach then in greater national interest another political party will start negotiating with him to give him a safe passage. All this to avoid anarchy. Then another general & another deal and so on…I am so glad that now a days there is no anarchy in the country, people are living happily, every day some people are doing suicides just for fun, jobs are abundant, agencies are keeping eye on culprits rather on anyone who has beard and goes for regular prayer, civil institutions and especially educational are being presided over by ex-generals just to axe civil evil in those departments. Ravi chain hee chain likhta hay….
Once someone gave me an example of inhabitants of a state where king was very annoyed because people were not coming to him with their problems. So he asked his minister what to do so that people come to him for their issues. Minister said “Aqa” there is a river flows between your state, tomorrow we will announce that people have to go to other sides of river for work, so the one living on east side has to go to west side and the one on west has to go to east. So it was done. After a week the king asked people if they have any problem, everyone said no we are living happily. Disappointed king said ok from now on instead of using bridge you will have to cross it by swimming. It was winter and he was sure that people will get panic but in next meeting again everyone was cool and calm. Next he ordered that now before crossing the river evryone will have to lay down and guard will beat him with 10 “littars” (shoes). So it was done, in next meeting everyone was still happy and king was in deep sadness when far from crowd an old frail baba stood up and said sarkar hazoor we are living happily under your kingship but there is one little problem tho. Anxiously king said sure yes what i can do for you, old man goes we have to line up for receiving 10 littars every day and hence get home very late, could you please increase number of guards so that we receive littars as soon as possible and go home.

FYI: The example in above post is not intended to any group.

*Sigh*

I don’t know what were you trying to communicate above dude, it completely beats me.

Peace out.

Sometime people love to maintain status quo.

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@@ Muhammad Arham

Brother I sent few queries to PTI about week back (using the email address on the website), still waiting for a response. I am assuming that you are a member, is there an alternate address that I can use.

Surkha made very logical and intelligent comments. However, like the saying goes: those that the gods wish to destroy, them make blind and deaf first. Isn’t it ironic that all the political parties in pakistan need to make an alliance in every election against ppp. However, ppp always contests its elections alone, without an alliance. That just tells u who has mass support in pakistan. APDM consists of 32 political parties, yet they could only muster 30,000 people during their rally in rawalpindi on aug.14. PPP can gather 30,000 by just sending jehangir badar.

For those who are imran kahn’s lovers, i want to tell u that he is not a smart and clever politician. He is rather a fool. Anybody can give a good response when all kashif abbasi and hamid mir ask u is “imran khan sahab, kya musharraf presidential election lernay kay liyae ehl hain?”. These are the only types of question imran gets asked in these shows. Even a homeless guy on the street can answer that easily. When u ask him about his support of referendum in 2002, his sita white affair, his support for mush’s coup, he goes quiet like if he has no tongue. This is proven by the fact that when babar awan highlites the fact that imran supported mush’s referendum of 2002, imran doesn’t reply.

IMRAN KHAN is the only honest and truth speaking politician at present time . point is to be noted that when ppp leader said that after 2002 elections ppp got majority but mush did nt allowed them to make their govt and at that time imran khan supported this statement and said that it happened in 2002. this is the sign of great n true leaders .. no doubt imran khan is the only hope for pakistan

@@ Yasar

“For those who are imran kahn’s lovers”

I am a IK supported, as far as Sita White is concerned it is his persoanl thing and if he has repented sincerely, then we should give him the benefi of doubt. Regarding other times when IK was Khamosh, I agree with you that he was dumb founded.

I was specially disappointed when neither IK nor Kashif highlited the fact that this is not the 1st time that the constitution has been twisted in this manner, there is definitely a precedence during one of the democratic government tenures when person specific amendment was made.

@@ Lawyers Supporters
I wish Lawyers had the courage to include the removal of corrupt leaders as party heads as part of their agenda and thus remove the perception that they are politically motivated.

Imran Rocks. I watch this program because of Imran.

Fawad you are right

Imran Khan Zindabad.

He is honest and not a murderer like MQM or corrupt like PPP or and PML (QUTTA League) PML.

@ Yasar

Totally agree with you about mass support of PPP throughout Pakistan. In a way its very encouraging cuz it strenghthens our unity.
Could you please enlighten us that with this massive support why BB was in self imposed exile for more than 10 years leaving his workers to face brutality of a dictator? (Kaash someone has given the same advice to Bhutto shaheed and probably people did advise him too but perhaps he knew the fact that “sila e shaheed kia hay tab o taab e javedana”

@Yassar @Nadeem @Faisal
wonderful comments.

There are number of things I want to say about Imran Khan, though as much as I like IK’s talks and speeches, I’ve found out that, thats all they are good for, he makes all the right noises but always with wrong people and in a wrong camp. To be sure I really don’t know what’s Tehrek-e-Insaaf’s ideology, are they centerists? Liberals? leftists? or right-wing conservatives? IK has no political ideology and has never taken a unilateral position on any issue for more than few years. His position and po