Capital Talk - 14 September 07

Imran Khan of PTI, Tariq Azeem of PMLQ and Shery Rahman of PPP with Hamid Mir in Capital Talk.

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    Its nice to see sherry rahman backtracking from the statements given by benazir Bhutto. I some
    times pity members of PPP why they support the corrupt Bhutto.

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    thanx admin for uploadin this

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  3. Siasati Keera Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 11:04 pm
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    Well………….. Here’s my second prediction on this forum. By the way my first one was 100% right. My prediction was that APDM will not be able to gather even 200o people any where in the country for NS reception. Now do not give me the reasons for the failure. If you have participated in ground politics in Pakistan, you know that in every opposition show of public muscle governments have reacted severely. In case of Zardari, the administration response was even worse than Sept. 10th. Those skeptics who think I am against NS, please have honest to God conversations with Javed Hashmi & Kh. Saad. For those who had tagged me to talk to me after the event. I do no see them here anymore.

    Coming back to my objective analysis, BB will have a very sizable welcome at Karachi. It may not be as big as 1986 but will be the biggest in last 10 years. There will be 144 imposed in Karachi, 3-5 workers of PPP will be arrested country wide. Still she will have a very reasonable crowd.

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    BB’s thinks that people are dumb. Her arrival in October is part of the Deal. She is trying to tell her foreign masters that she will fully co-operate with a dictator.

    As for SR statment giving her a big welcome. That happened in 1986 but what happened after that.

    PPP has been fooling people with “RKM” slogan.

    But this time PPP will only get votes in Sind.

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  5. Siasati Keera Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
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    Please read as “3-5 thousand” not “3-5″

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  6. Siasati Keera Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
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    @ Mr. Ali !

    Let’s have a bet here. PPP will have more seats in Punjab including National & provincial assembly than APDM combined. This is true now and it will be true next elections. This will happen irrespective of success of negotiations with Mush or not. Want to take me up for that?
    Should you desire, I am willing to bet you on seat to seat analysis with 95% success rate 5-7 days prior to elections.

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    Big welcomes do not solve problem. Some of the Jahil Jialas will go there and dance like dummies.

    But after the elections the same old corrupt feudals will be in power and the result will be the same.

    The only solution to Pakistan’s problems is the empowerment of the common man.

    A leader whose personal assets are close to $1.5B is talking about “RKM”. BB can only fool her blind dumb followers not the majority people of Pakistan.

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  8. Siasati Keera Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 11:16 pm
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    In parliamentary democracy, representatives are elected by the rule of one person one vote. Then the parliament elects its leadership. Now no where it says that only smart, educated, and sober people are allowed to vote to elect their representatives. Problem with emotional people sitting in their drawing rooms is that they want democracy but the one which suits their aspirations. I think I should not waste my time further.

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    BB’s regime would be worse than Musharraf. She can’t even tolerate her party senior leaders and will not allow media to be free.

    Pakistani media is doing a wonerful job so as courts these day and its time now for the people of pakistan to open eyes and do their part. We shouldn’t supprt peole who went out of the coutrny by making deals or who are making deals to come back.

    Simple question to all BB supporters, how would they justify BB having $1.5B in her account???

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    @ Siasati Keera,

    I am not here to make bets. I am a concerned citizen worried about leaders, who are Life Chairpersons of a democratic party, have $1.5B in assets and spent most of the in western capitals to gain power at all cost and insult 160 million people of Pakistan.

    The only geninune person in PPP is Aitizaz Ahsan who is taking a stand against the dictator thats why he is sidelined right now.

    BB is so jealous from him that she didnt even praise him after he won the case for CJ. This showa what kind of a democrat she is.

    Read her statements in NYT and other western press. She always give one statement to foreign media and a different statement in Pakistan.

    This is not the PPP of the great ZAB, who went to the gallows but did not comprmise.

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  11. Siasati Keera Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 11:40 pm
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    Free, Fair, & Balanced media is backbone of any democratic society. Independent, fair, and objective judiciary is the primary requirement for any civil society. The way current affair anchors and their participants describe it is neither of these.

    If Hamid Mir is a barometer of media intellect, may Creator of heaven & earth have some mercy on us. Answer this, has anyone after his program have got anything which can contribute to the national or personal improvement of viewers. It is more like a “Bander Ka Tasmsha” where anchor has “Dugdugi” in his hand and the participants “Bunders” dance on their sound bites.

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    @Siasati Keera,

    Here is some more truth for you :

    “Gen Musharraf also has sufficient time to rethink a deal which Ms Bhutto says she still wants.”

    Read the BBC article:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6996032.stm

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  13. Siasati Keera Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
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    Neither ZAB or BB are great. They are human beings with strengths and weaknesses. May God help us. We always think in terms of “for or against”. We see in terms of greatness of NS, BB, Mush, Qazi, and Maulana while opponents are trashed without any objective opinion. Evaluate all politicians as normal human beings with tendency to do good and bad. Politicians make right choices and wrong. None of them is super human being. Come out of emotionalism guys. Be concerned, committed, and willing to perform duties for the country but not attached to individuals. Support BB or NS or any other when she is doing right based on objectivity.

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  14. Siasati Keera Says:
    September 14th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
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    @ Ali

    Read my postings again. I am not here defending BB. I am here to initiate a conversation of rationality and objectivity. Who cares if it suits to NS in one case and to BB in other. I hate devotees whether they are of NS or BB. Independent thinkers who have opinions based on facts and support political parties not on emotions but on their stance on issues at a particular time.

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    Mush, BB, NS are all fu$%ers. It is just that Mush is biggest of them all.

    They have all raped the country and it’s people.

    Only a movement under the leadership of the lawyers can save the country.

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  16. Siasati Keera Says:
    September 15th, 2007 at 12:00 am
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    No one or no movement can save country but the lazy as—- who never vote but always complaint about everyone else.

    That’s typical Pakistani mentality. That reflects that access to degrees and IT does not make us aware or educated. I am perfect but everyone else is - - - - - - up. Bravo ! Keep this up and nation will shine in times to come.

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    JS,
    I don’t agree with you, but you are right in saying that BB is a shameless dictator. So is NS. NS does not have the heart to even give Makhdoom Javed Hashmi a free hand to lead the party.

    BB also likes to have parrots like Amin Fahim and Sherry Rahman around her to sing her tunes. She has some of the best people in Pak politics in her party like Raza Rabbani and Aitzaz Ahsan. But she’d rather have to stooges around her than real, seasoned politicians.

    Mush though is blood hound who should be looked underground in dungeons. Atleast NS and BB look human in comparison.

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    Siasati,
    The silent majority did come out to support CJ. In him they saw a person and a cause (for supremacy of law) that could improve their lives.

    Pakistani people will respond to a sincere leader who’ll fight for their rights. Ironically leader use people as a stepping stool for power and personal gains.

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  19. Siasati Keera Says:
    September 15th, 2007 at 12:09 am
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    @ Kruman

    Sincere leader………….. Let me know if you find one in your life time. Support the agendas not the leaders and then keep the leadership committed to the agenda. Keep waiting my friend………….best of luck. Let me know if you find one.

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    I guess the Butchers of Karachi(MQM walas) will allow BB to show her strength in their territory. They both are alies now!

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    I don’t mean to say that Musharraf should be allowed to rule since we don’t have good replacements. Might be Imran could do some wonders.

    At this time we need a courageous and confident leader (someone like ZB, many ppl might not agree and this is just an example) who could stand up in front of the whole world and make sure our respect and dignity is restored. Someone, who could save our nation from these corrupt generals, politicians and bureaucrats.

    Don’t care if people are not coming on the streets to welcome either NS or BB. But we should all try to bring a silent revolution by giving our votes against corrupt leaders..

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    So now the contours of deal are quite clear. Let me first tell you what the deal is.
    1. Let PPP contest the election under the leadership of BB , BB herself should be allowed to contest the election.
    2. The election should be free and fair, that means PPP should be given fair treatement at par with PML-Q and free to choose its candidates , no PPP candidate should be harrased by agencies. Agencies may or may not help the PPP candidates depending upon the local constituency situation and requirement.
    3. The question of 3rd time Prime Minister will be decided based on two outcomes. a) What happens to the presidential election in the supreme court. b) How many seats PPP clinches in the election.
    4. BB will not insist on uniform and the matter will be left to supreme court, if SC decides against Musharraf, BB will help Mush to get elected as president in return will get 3rd time prime minister.

    The deal in current situation is a win-win for Mush and BB.
    However I want to see what will be there in Jan’08 when BB is giving interview to ARY and GEO telling it was verbally agreed that she will be 3rd time PM but now she has been given only Sindh CM and a coalition government in NWFP. Just like MMA :) Don’t forget BB will be happy for that too , just like MMA :)

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    Those who are watching such talk shows continously must have noticed what kind of people are in PML Q and other suppoerters of Musharraf.

    Viewers of these shows are also taking part in all polls on this site. Simple examination of results shows what people have understood.Now someone may claim these polls to be rigged but I dont. I strongly believe if all Pakistanis are watching all such talk shows continously their way of thinking about Pakistani national political leaders and parties must have changed and I do praise admn of pkpolitics for such a beautiful site and all hosts and organizers of these talk shows.

    But in my personal opinion not too many people will be watching these programs owing to frustration in common man’s life. Common man is struggling to survive, hyper inflation, poor traffic system, dualism, worse law and order situation. I also belive that even now if Musharraf by any means minimises actual inflation and improves common man’s living standard, people will not care much about other things.

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    I agree to one of the writers above that BB would prove to worse than Musharraf. That is absolutely true. She cannot tolerate dissent in her party - she removed her own mother from Chairperson ship and got her brother killed by police that was working under directive of Naseerullah Babar so who can she tolerate free press and judiciary.

    And same is for NS. He did not like the reception when Javed Hashmi was released from jail and thats why he got a lukewarm reception at Islamabad Airport.

    BB is coming after an unwritten deal and understanding. She is part of the arrangement made my Americans and Saudis and Musharraf.

    But she should clearly realise that her third era if its there would be worst than her first two.

    Another interesting news is that in today’s The News there is a story that Chaudhry Shujaat and Ch Pervaiz Elahi had been collaborators of teh famous Double Shah and when NAB wanted to take action it was stopped and then Chairman NAB resigned in protest. This is a very significant part of the development because it is arm twisting of Chaudhri’s now to fall in line otherwise things are ready for them also - as they are opposing deal with BB.

    I believe PM is playing a very dangerous game and God knows what would happen. They say next 48 hours are very crucial and it is also said that Martial Law can also be imposed - thats why the MNA lodges in Islamabad have been vacated.

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    “Dahshat gard Haseena”…. Woww!!! what a name for that lady!!!!
    Just for PPPP supporter, do u like BB bcos of her father or bcos of her own character??

    Why you think BB is better than IMRAN khan as a leader? who is more sincere to country and nation, Imran or BB?

    Wait for your answer before i leave an other coment!!! siasatee kerra!!!! brief answer,dont go to rubbish stufff!!! thanks for understanding

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    NS cannot come to Pakistan because dirty dictator does not like him? Imran cannot go to Karachi because MQM ghundas have hijacked hte city and they have no guts to see a ture leader like Imran running his campaign in KHI? and now we are dreaming that Govt will allow free and fair elections. This is the worst time ever for Pakistan and I think Imran is right that next attack will be on supreme court. Dirty Mush is trying his best to get rid of CJ and all other fair judges so he can continue to run the country as Banana republic.

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    @siasti keera’s in his earlier discussion with ali
    I think the word you are looking for is not “parliamentary democracy”. its ‘REPUBLIC’. Its sad when people don’t know the difference between a republic and a democracy. but its worse when they don’t know what their country is…khair sk its not a personal attack just a general thought …because i too didn’t know the difference till a few mths ago…
    yes you say wtf…what difference does that make?
    it just says many pakistani’s havent even read the constitution…err 1973 one
    khair…please read the ORIGINAL ie without amendments and articles….and you all will get your answers…very important
    I respect the opinion of all you people… regarding where each one of your allegiances lie…please let me know which one of the candidates will restore our constitution again the original one and follow it?…first time voter ….so need to decide…thanks…

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    Live With Talat 9/14/07

    http://zalimgroup.blip.tv/file/379176/

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    oh btw..seeing the divide and discord that prevails in our country and this forum today … I want to provide some hope at this time of need…i am an optimist..so bear with me..i have formulated the following points for the prosperity and harmony of this great nation…
    My dear countrymen, our aims and objectives shall be:

    1. Rebuild national confidence and morale.
    2. Strengthen federation, remove inter-provincial disharmony and restore national cohesion.
    3. Revive economy and restore investor confidence.
    4. Ensure law and order and dispense speedy justice.
    5. Depoliticise state institutions.
    6. Devolution of power to the grass-roots level; and lastly,
    7. Ensure swift and across the board accountability.
    may Allah be with us…

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    Thanks DJAqib. Admin please start posting Talat Hussain from DJAqib.

    Thanks!

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    Sherry Rehman couldn’t answer Imran’s questions. This lady doesn’t have manners and she brag about peoples party like some rich lady talking about her new jewelry. When the discussion came about Benazir’ cases, she starts talking nonstop like some lady in market complaining about the prices. Bottom Line is that she doesn’t know how to behave in front of media.

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    Sherry is a lady who has come in parlaimaent on kharati votes - meaning on woman seats - and she has no respect for any of the senior leaders of PPP and she is one of those including Rehman Malik, Naheed Khan etc who have led BB to this stage where she is neither here or there.

    I doubt if Sherry has ever visited a poor area in her life - she is one of those who had been plucked from The Daily Times and can write and speak English. Otherwise unfortunately she has no political background. Thats why I must say I really feel sorry for this PPP when such women come up in the Party. In PPP and PML N and PML Q there is only criteria to rise up in the party - how loyal are u to BB, NS or Musharraf.

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  33. Mohammad Athar Hameed Says:
    September 15th, 2007 at 5:49 am
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    Sherry Rehman is stupid and trying to be smart. Typpical PPP leader.I think only Itaizaz Ahsan in PPP is reasonable man. All other are choors. Imran khan should not sit with people like sherry Rahman.

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  34. Tanveer Ahmed Says:
    September 15th, 2007 at 6:53 am
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    TO ALL PAKISTANI BROTHERS & SISTERS

    The Politicians seeking office are your servants not your master. Keep it that way. Dont risk your life and body for them. Observe every event at home on the TV and decide whom to vote for. Dont go out and risk yourselves. They would lie to draw you out into the streets. Dont risk yourselves. The people who will go into the street will be their workers paid in some form for their services. Some work for very small amount of money and some for other political gains and offices.

    The History of the past 60 years has reconfirmed the above. They come to satisfy their lust for power and wealth from your assets and taxes. They will live in Luxury at your cost. You have heard ROTI Kapda aur Makan. So far in 60 years they have proved that this a bait and will never be given but they have multiplied their wealth many fold. Many of them are the Scum of the Nation.

    We will come to know when a sincere leader emanates.

    Wish you the best of Health and prosperity and safe voting. Dont risk yourself at any cost. Your Family needs you most. Dont disappoint them and dont pass into history for the scum.

    Tanveer

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    Two officials from the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Q party, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said the presidential vote would take place in the first week of October.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070915/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_politics

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  36. Tanveer Ahmed Says:
    September 15th, 2007 at 7:19 am
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    If you want a good leader the candidate will have to be nominated by you. No PPP or PML will work in your interest. If you cannot prop up your candidate in National Elections forget about good political personalities to work for you.

    Tanveer

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    Media is not doing it Job

    Most of these politicians, especially Minister Tariq Aziz tell white lies on this program and other programs. It is the job of a journalist to bring the truth in the forefront. Media is neither capable nor has will to do just that.

    Tariq Aziz told public on another program that Nwaz left for the Kingdom on 910 at his own will. The world knows it otherwise.

    Soon these politicians will master the skill of morphing every lie into truth.

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    @ Siasati Keera
    “Support the agendas not the leaders and then keep the leadership committed to the agenda.”
    SK, now I dont like what you want us to do(to follow the agendas and not the personalities) cant you propose something easy(like presenting a messiah,a saviour who can be a panacea to all our ills). We are a nation who waiting for some Mohammad bin Qasim to come and liberate us; we love to read nostaligic and romantic tales of our glorious past by Nasim Hijazi(we love columnists who have fashioned their writings to his mould ).
    Now suddenly you want us to do own work, use our brain and analyse analytically. Either you are a stooge of establishment,or an agent of Yahood o Hanood. Shame on you , you bettor.

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  39. Muhammad TAYYAB Says:
    September 15th, 2007 at 9:03 am
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    @Siasati Keera
    I am sorry, in fact pity on myself, i could not think you support PPP, when I knew very well PPP supporters have normally non receptive attitude. They just keep speaking and don’t want to listen to others. They always think they are having the biggest logic.

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    i am a student of politics.i want to express my views .in abt every programe every body used to say abt the terrorism in pakistan.in my point of view there is no terorism in pakistan except MQM doing.wht ever is happening like socide bombin is all the reaction of the wht musharaf did in bajor ,wazirastan and lal masjid and against the amercan policies.as much as musharaf kill the his own innocent people of his country to please bush more the reaction will be.its natural not even pakistan in any country if they kill their own innocent people to please some one else the reaction will be the same.and now what is going to happen now amerca ls going to send the most anti religous anti muslim anti pakistan lady who is called benazir bhutto and she is the best choice of amerca and she has best record against religious people.according to his statment in washington post she will reopen Dr.abdul qadeer case and nuclear power matters.if she comes in power the fall down of pakistan will begin.she will kill more and more people and reaction will be more accordingly.in both sides we will have our own people to die.

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    Sherry rehman is a annoying little bit** with her occasional grunts like shes sitting on the toilet

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    For God’s sake do not vote PPPPPPPPPPPPPPP, …………………vote imran khan………….

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    Only Allah knows the future but it don’t look good for Pakistan. Americans know what happens after they get a taste of Iktidaar, all these dogs need is a piece of the pie. Musharraf will stay on just to kill a few more thousand muslims for a f-16 tyre, they have all got millions of dollars in assets in Europe and America, and musharrafs dream of a enlightened moderate state of America has come true.

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    @Siasati Keera

    When you speak of the standard of the Pakistani anchors on television please bear in mind that they are not your typical pulitzer winning american journalists. In all fairness they may be judged against their peers in the SAARC arena, not the west where there are institutions that nurture and polish thier journalism students.

    For Hamid Mir, Talat etc,, I think it would be unfair to ask them to be politically clairvoyant, since TV broadcasting is only in its infancy in Pakistan. Kudos to Pakistan Press and TV to have quickly climbed to top ratings all across the South Asian subcontinent. Please keep your innuendos relevant to the political atmosphere prevailing in Pakistan. For Benazir there will be a warm welcome indeed in Karachi… but she’ll have the short hand of the straw when it comes to the polls. FREE and FAIR Elections are but a fanstasy to the current crop of crooks of PML(Q).

    Criticism, and certainly objective and constructive criticism is appreciated. WHAT can not be tolerated is through-the-roof cynicism about whatever political alternative there is to NS,BB, and PM.

    Your comments have tendency to fly off on a tangent becuase you seem to expect a scholarly discourse over the (current) political leaders of Pakistan, when they simply don’t deserve one.

    Civilian incompetence is not exclusive to NS,Imran,MMA,MQM,ANP,Q-league..etc.. So PPP and Benazir should be judged against the same benchmarks. No wonder there is severe discontent in the minds of the average pakistani’s when they see a “revolutionary” leader like BB and fail to do the math trying to understand whether she wants to mortgage the country or outsource the decision making to Washington or London.

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    Sheery could not give any justification for Bhuto giving all filthy statements in USA. She openly praised Musheraf which is in news papers. Shame

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    Go Musharraf Go……Shame Shame Benazir.

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    These Political parties will do nothing for you. They will expose you to danger in their political activities while they want bulletproof cars for them to move arround.

    So, stay at home, watch all events on TV. Make you assesment based on past performances & vote for the right people when the time comes. Your family needs you so dont endanger yourself by being in processions or at airport for political rallies.

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    I can understand the frustration of all the APDM followers here. I am sorry if ur leadership let u down, but don’t take it out on Peoples Party and BB. On the one hand u like trashtalking PPP, and on the other hand u expect us to bring out party workers to support u? Really, i think u should change ur assessment of the world. It was very funny when sherry rehman said to imran khan near end of show “U would not have suffered the fate on sept. 10 if PPP had been with u. PPP workers no how to break government barriers.” This is true since the time of zia that PPP activists are the most brave, and javed hashmi himself admitted this on the show Parliament Galley. They are not like guys PMLN pays to come out or the old grannies who follow imran khan around for phot shots in PTI. Another valid point made during the show was when hamid mir asked the big shot imran khan ” Stop talking about PPP, talk about APDM first, where were u on Sept. 10?” That is a very valid question and imran made the most silliest excuse. He was in dubai collecting funds for his hospital. I saw it on Geo. One must ask him was that the only day in the whole year he could find to collect money?

    Another dumb remark imran khan made during the show was when Sherry rehman said that a big factor to the unrest in NWFP was hunger and poverty. Imran said “do u think this is bcz of poverty?” Imran khan, i really don’t what degree u got. Maybe it’s the Sita White degree. Everybody knows that one of the root problems to any conflict is poverty, and it is very high in paksitan right now. On the whole it was a good show bcz now the real picture is being exposed in the public, how APDM is in fact the IJI ressurected with its leaders possessing stone age mentality. Now that they utterly failed to bring out people into the street, they are getting the jitters that PPP will bring out a massive rally in karachi. APDM dug a mountain on sept. 10 but only a mouse came out from under it.

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    Continue crying apdm people. Even when PPP will bring out hundreds of thousands on oct. 18 in krachi, u will say something stupid like their on weed or something.

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    @ Yasar — “Everybody knows that one of the root problems to any conflict is poverty, and it is very high in paksitan right now.”

    Ahhhh… Let’s have a look at these poor terrorists… so poor they couldn’t feed their family…

    Osama Bin Laden, the Saudi millionaire
    Ayman Al Zwahiri, a certified Doctor
    The 19 Hijackers living their lives in the West… starving to death, weren’t they?

    A research done by Israel found that the majority of suicide bombers coming from Gaza were not escaping hunger or poverty but came from rich families. Right now, the majority of Saudis crossing the border to fight in Iraq usually come from very well-off families…

    @ Yasar… what a sad little twerp you are,
    The root cause for any conflict is not poverty, it is Injustice!!!

    If you don’t believe me, we can ask the admin to have a snap poll to see what most of the visitors to this website believe???

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    Frustration of Ziai mind set is so visible. Suddnely Military Mulla Aliance have become democracy lovers. They were part of Zia govt when most popular leader of this country was being hanged. PPP is the only genuine political party in the country besides some regional parties. BB does not thik people are dumb. People are wise that is why she is always for fair elections. All APDM leaders are product of ISI. Corruption of BB and Zardari has twice proved to be just propaganda. None has been proved any where in any court. I don’t know if this time again upper middle class of the country will tolerate PPP for long after their election victory. For sure there will more conspiracies than ever before.

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    it is very shameful to deport n.s like this.if the choice is now b/w mush &B.B.I will rather support the dictator mush rather than the corrupt B.B.

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    Haroon, You spoke the truth that if the choice is between Mush and BB you will go for Mush. Still you call yourself democrat. Anti-PPP are nervous about PPP coming to power. They cannot give the people to choose the government. All fair elections brought PPP to power because it is the only genuine political force. Right now another IJI is in making. Soon Mush party and APDM will joine to stop BB. Shameless butchers.

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    Hi
    Well i dunno to be honest with you where to start with. Its just a whole mess we are up to and my pakistaniz are facing. I am totally gobsmacked when i heard about Miss Bhutoo and her aliance with Musharaff. Dnt forget its the second time Miss Bibi second time entering the arena from back door.
    Sometimes i look at my kids and thank my Almighty God to get me out of Pakistan where everything is unjust and totally corrupt and uneducated people ruling over the educated people.
    After all its because of these Meer Jafar and Meer sadiqs that we people force to live away from our motherlands because of these stupid greedy and uneducated people who just killing their own generations and their future to get some undo respect and comfort.
    Thats sad and very sad lets boo these people.
    Any feed back or comments are welcome.

    Many Thanks

    Faraan

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    People plz do not be disspointed abt Pakistan’s future. Its reltively new born state and we are seeing nowadays the part of political and social evolution that all the nations experiance when maturing, and plz if u support any political party do not support thier leaders like idols support thier agendas thier mainifesto thier ideology.
    Now sometimes ppl give example of india wen i talk at Pakistan being a new state which is not valid bcoz b4 partition almost all of the dept and ministries were handled by hindus or english, they even had special positions and privilages during mughal eras so they had experaince of centuries abt the politics of subcontinent. Again they didnt have to face the harsh period of first 10 years of making bcoz they had all the industry 85% revenue of the subcontinent while Paksitan survived thru only 5% of revenue and broken industry. If u closely study first 10 years u will certainly feel hopeful again. Even under foolish leadership Pakistan survived.
    Its good to support the different political ideologies but worship of personalities like idols always let us down.
    PS.. I am Ali Ibn Hayyan

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    i wud vote for any Tom,Dick,Harry but not to BB.

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  57. M.A. Tabassum Says:
    September 17th, 2007 at 2:48 am
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    I saw that program, in which Sherein Rehman was trying to defend Benazir which was irrelevant.
    Imran is the great man, courages and I salut him, and hopeful his bright future.

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    @Beena:

    Ur vote doesn’t count!

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    @bballmvp88 ,
    if everyone of us start thinking like u ,that wud end up pakistan be in the same worst situation….
    we need to register our protest aganist corrupt ,power hungry ,dealing makers ..
    in every form…actually LOW TURNOUT in the election wud also be one kind of protest ,if elections happens fair and free.
    programme
    i found sherry rehman,over confident like an immature college girl…
    it seems that deal has been done and sherry is being promised to be the next info minister for MUISHI BISHI govt….

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  60. Imran Khan Says:
    October 6th, 2007 at 1:25 am
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    Hi Everybody,

    I am here not to contradict anyone, just wanna say something which will help you in further discussion. Everytime you guys are discussing that Benazir Bhutto is corrupt and she has property abroad and many other things.
    If you check the history, you will find out that her grandfather was one of those people who financially supported Jinnah and he gave 5 crore to Jinnah in make Pakistan. With this you can imagine from how rich family she comes from. Today every tom dick and harry has got 5 crore but at that time very few people were that rich and 5 crore meant something at that time. There are hundreds of Pakistanis today who are so rich that they can easily afford to keep properties outside Pakistan and these are the people who have only worked hard and were from either lower middle class or more poor. So after all this which you can see around yourself, why can’t you believe that someone from a very well off family from decades infact before Pakistan, can afford to have a luxurious life.
    Today she is a politician so everyone from the opposition calls her corrupt. If she wasn’t a politician then everyone whom would have known her would have been saying that she is from a very rich family. You have to be proud and admit that she is the only former Priminister of our country, who has a fellowship in Oxford University and even gives regular lectures in Harvard University. One should be proud to call her a Priminister of the country because being a 3rd world country we have such learned Leader. Being such a learned person you don’t need politics to get famous in people and earn money, there are many other things which one can do.
    But the problem in our nation is that they can afford to make a shopkeeper a politician but not a learned person.
    Her father and she both are the only leader of our country whom people even know in USA, UK, Germany, France any country you name because Mr Bhutto was a daring and she is a very well educated politican. We had a dozens of leaders since Pakistan is made and you name it who else is that popular throughout the world. It is not that they have been the Priministers so they are famous, yeah it is something which has added to their popularity but the main is their personality and the way the have handled the issues which had come across. On the other hand if you see no one knows Ayub Khan or Zia or Junejo or even Nawaz Sharif.
    I you guys think with cool mind you will see that being a Priminister of a country, you need to represent your country outside in the world. You need to have the ability to stand infront of other nation leaders and defend you country’s interests.
    Just watch this video of Mr Zulfiqar Bhutto, as he was representing Pakistan in the UN Security Council and you will find out what I am all talking about

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdp0gNfodkc

    Same time there is a place in London called Madame Tussauds, which has statues of all the famous politicains of the world and Ms Benazir Bhutto is the only and only politician of Pakistan whose statue has been kept there next to other great politicans of the other. This is a very small example of the fact that she has been the only leader of our country, who has the ability to represent our country worldwide. Though we are a good nation and our country has the best geographic location but unfortunately we never got anyother politican then the one I mentioned,who had the personality to make our country stand in world politics. We are a 3rd world country and we need learned politicans like her and her father, to come in world eyes else we will be like anyother 3rd world country whom the world doesn’t even know about.
    Sorry to say but our people have got nuthing to do other then calling our politicans as corrupt. One should first have the courage to accept the achievements of someone and then criticise one that person.
    People can’t see the time of Zia when he allowed afghan refugees to enter our country freely. The UN only asked him to give them place near the boarder like just set up refugee camps but he let them come inside, so he can get huge amount of money from the UN on their name in the form of aid from the UN.But with this the drugs smuggling and heavy weapons came into our country.
    Samewise if you see Nawaz Sharif time, when you did the nuclear test, does anyone know how badly our economy went down. India is a developing country and has managed to grab half of the world outsourcing contracts, they will never make such a stupid step to attack our country. Being rich you cant afford to fight with a poor beacuse the poor has got nuthing to loose whereas being the rich can loose alot.
    Anyways this is my view point, I am not imposing anything on you guys, everyone of us has the scence to judge things. But be practical don’t act like kids that you call someone corrupt without having any facts about it.
    Thanx

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