Benazir Bhutto’s Karachi Arrival – 18 October 07

General R Hamid Gul Speaks:
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176 Comments

  • Arif October 17, 2007 11:38 pm

    GEO admin

  • ManDark October 17, 2007 11:43 pm

    God bless you.

  • shaz October 17, 2007 11:59 pm

    @Admin

    First of all thanks a lot for doing this
    But why you have taken off from the work place… Better not compromise your own working schedule for this activity.
    btw plz upload your personal profile somewhere, i really wonder how u manage this all

  • Asif October 18, 2007 12:15 am

    We really appreciate all of your efforts. We in UAE are unable to see Aaj TV, so for your efforts we all are thankful. Well done , keep it up.

  • shahid kinnare October 18, 2007 12:23 am

    Shaikh Rasheed say only forfty thousand people would gather to receive BB.

  • gull October 18, 2007 12:56 am

    for those who still think ppp,s graph is fallen should open their eyes and see how big this reception going to be. dont just keep saying who said what just judge your selves, today will be dama dum mast kalndar. geo benazir.

  • watayo faqeer October 18, 2007 1:43 am

    dear admin.
    don’t take sides. You are like a speaker of House of people on web. Be honest. Political activities are good for people of pakistan. Upload SC verdict on NS. NS made first deal with Mush, now she is making . Even then we should prefer NS, BB than Chaudaries and all other 40 thieves. I urge you to remain impartial and try to be balanced.

  • watayo faqeer October 18, 2007 1:48 am

    I salute the good officers of Bureaucracy, first it was Azad SP Clifton, then now CS has taken historic and positive stance. These good officers have not listened to illegal orders of CM. What is according to Law, should be implementaed otherwise bureaucrats are people’s and state’s custodian and not servants of wadera, chaudery polititians. This is the bureaucracy envisaged by Quaid e Azam. Jeay Pakistan, Jeay Rule of Law….

  • shahid kinnare October 18, 2007 2:03 am

    B Bhutto plane take off.

  • lonelybird from canada October 18, 2007 2:11 am

    we need to place some more security guards around our foreign currency reserves of about 13 billion dollars because BENAZIR is coming.

  • ManDark October 18, 2007 2:25 am

    Videos???

  • Lota Police October 18, 2007 2:26 am

    salamz,

    Bay-Zameer is coming!

    I can’t believe Taklu Mamu Nawaz Sharif’s supporters couldn’t pull such a reaction to welcome him.

    Bay-Zameer Begum is a clever politician.

    May Allah save us from her.

  • Adnan October 18, 2007 2:35 am

    Jiyalays in full force. Jiyae Bhutto

  • shahid kinnare October 18, 2007 2:51 am

    Talat of aaj TV agreed that they mis judged Jiayaals love toward BB after deal.

  • Bone Daddy October 18, 2007 2:52 am

    Bay-Zameer played Sindh card in her press conference in Dubai.

    It is incumbent on we Punjabi’s to pay her back in the same coin….! Therefore,

    “JAAG PUNJABI JAAG TAYREE PAGG NOU LAGG GAYA DAGH.

    JAAG PUNJABI JAAG.

  • shahid kinnare October 18, 2007 2:55 am

    Punjab belong to PPP not to PML which is Pakistan Military League.

  • Altaf Bhai October 18, 2007 3:02 am

    Those people rallying in support of Bhutto are the slaves of her family and the party’s other feudal leaders. Look at their skin color. They are all kala. They are low caste laborers.

    They won’t get roti, kapra, makan. All they will get is shaitan, shaitan, shaitan.

  • Lota Police October 18, 2007 3:10 am

    Oye Altaf Lotay,

    Sharam karo. The only think ‘kala’ is your character.

    Bezamir Bhutto is the worst thing that has happened to our country after Mushy.

    May Allah remove her from Pakistan soon.

  • Altaf Baji October 18, 2007 3:15 am

    Sorry, I misled you. I’m not a supporter of Altaf. Anyway, they are mostly dark. I’m not saying this to disparage them. They are my countrymen, my brothers and sisters. But let’s be clear that caste and class are alive in Pakistan as ever. Benazir is light-skinned. Her family owns enormous plots of land. The uneducated people supporting her are her slaves. They are dark-skinned.

    This system exists throughout the country, including in Punjab. I’m Punjabi, btw. The feudal system has to go. Until it exists, even if we don’t have military rule, we’ll have civilian dictators keeping the masses down.

  • Bone Daddy October 18, 2007 3:22 am

    JAAG PUNJABI JAAG TAYREE PAGG NOU LAGG GAYA DAGH.

    JAAG PUNJABI JAAG.

  • chussain October 18, 2007 3:27 am

    Benazir would be guarded by American security personell – this was the last thing we wanted in Pakistan – just recall how Blackwater mercenaries killed hundreds of Iraqis in Iraq and they were all civilians. Hamid Karazai also has American guards. So this is what we have reduced oursevles to – we cannot trust our own people. Its open secret that BB return has been ordered by Americans and British and it under their pressure that Nawaz Sharif was forced to return to Saudi Arabia . What can we say about a nation like ours which is a nuclear nation and yet we are so weak.

    No doubt Pervaiz Musharraf has sold our nation and he can go to any extent to save his seat. He is an American agent no doubt about that.

  • shahid kinnare October 18, 2007 3:31 am

    Liaquat Bolach the follower of Abu Jahal is very jeoulas about BB

  • fahim October 18, 2007 3:32 am

    I just want to say I really appreciate your dedication to provide up to date information and allowing people like me living abroad to get hooked with the latest political developments in Pakistan. Thanks alot and keep it up

  • Tanweer Amjad October 18, 2007 3:41 am

    Benazir’s Flight reached Karachi airport air premises.

  • commoner October 18, 2007 3:47 am

    Jiyee Awam, Jiyee Benazir, Jiyee Bhutto, Jeeway Pakistan, Allahoakbar

  • shahid kinnare October 18, 2007 3:47 am

    Plane landed BB plane landed

  • shahid kinnare October 18, 2007 3:52 am

    I am NS and his Party must be thinking only if they had listen to PPP and not arange APC and Join does mullas. He would have got biggest reception of his life. what a sad story for NS.

  • aftab October 18, 2007 3:52 am

    aoa

    admin

    is there something wrong with website i cant load any programs

  • Junaid October 18, 2007 3:54 am

    aftab u can paste links here

  • shaz October 18, 2007 4:01 am

    where are the further updates

  • shahid kinnare October 18, 2007 4:05 am

    million people on street and other more than million people watching. what a great day for Pakistan. It is only PPP which give poor people of pakistan the happiness even if it is for momemnt

  • Ayaz October 18, 2007 4:06 am

    Salam to all,
    Let me be honest in saying that its first time jab sheikh rasheed jhoot bol raha hai BB k welcome k baray mai ( like always) aur mujhe uss per ghussa nahi aa raha …….haha
    wo durrani waghera kahan mardaar ho gaey bhai! ah! Allah knows k kab iss qom ko samj aaey gi……..” hatamAllah alaa quloob-e-him wa alaa samey-him wa alaa absaar-e-him…….

  • admin October 18, 2007 4:07 am

    Videos coming in few minutes.

    Admin

  • shahid kinnare October 18, 2007 4:25 am

    It seem Chaudries and sheikh are out of touch of pakistan politics not BB.

  • shaz October 18, 2007 4:26 am

    Is there any text update or not…. i cant see more updates coming

  • Tanweer Amjad October 18, 2007 4:27 am

    @Shahid Kinnare
    PPPs supporters get happiness only for moments, whereas their leader are forever blessed… thanks to understanding with the Bush force.
    I wish someone could change the fortunes of the Haari’s of Larkana and other Sind areas.
    I request any one who is going to be a prime minister to please open a proper educational institution in her village to let people know that there exists Pakistan outside this village where they can have their personal thoughts.

  • Khan October 18, 2007 4:27 am

    I cant believe the level of ignorance here!

    Its like a freakin cricket match here!

  • Tanweer Amjad October 18, 2007 4:29 am

    I thought Imran Khan is establishing a prestigeous institution at Minawali…
    @admin
    sorry not relevant to the current topic 🙁

  • ManDark October 18, 2007 4:39 am

    The event is happening as we speak, videos please???

  • aftab October 18, 2007 4:50 am

    aoa

    is anyone having problems watching capital talk and other shows etc please help.

    thnx

  • Ayaz October 18, 2007 4:55 am

    @Admin,@Internet experts

    Could anybody be kind enough to help me , how to watch the yesterday programmes (Capital talk, Live with Talat) as I see the following message on their. ” The feed URL appears to be invalid. Please check that URL of the feed is valid and that the feed itself has valid SYNTAX”

    thankx in advance,
    Ayaz,
    Germany.

  • admin October 18, 2007 4:56 am

    My video provider blip.tv is down. New videos will come as soon as this starts working again.

    Please keep on checking http://blip.tv

    Admin

  • unity October 18, 2007 4:58 am

    we know very little of ppp policies. do they acutually have any? The job of government is to look after people and make nation storng.

    BTW, Does anyone know, why bb’s grandfather was made a sir?

  • shaz October 18, 2007 4:58 am

    can u plz do text updates….
    i cant see after the update. plane is in air

  • aftab October 18, 2007 5:00 am

    aoa

    admin

    thank you for your quick response i will wait for videos but thnx for clarification and keep up good work.

  • Adam October 18, 2007 5:01 am

    @ admin

    3 p.m PST.

    can’t run any of the uploads of 17/18 Oct?
    Advise please !!!!!!!

  • aftab October 18, 2007 5:05 am

    aoa

    @adam

    blip tv is down but admin is trying to sought out

  • Adam October 18, 2007 5:07 am

    @ aftab

    Thanks for info/update.
    Regards

  • Mujahid October 18, 2007 5:12 am

    I have seen latest vidio on AAJ TV BB is very very happy.She is finally here in Pakistan. Not to share power with Mushrraf. But to share the wealth,as you know it is 16 billions in the reserve Bank.

    Well done BB. may God save our people.Aammin

  • aftab October 18, 2007 5:20 am

    aoa

    I cant believe people still support this evil person

  • admin October 18, 2007 5:22 am

    Almost 2 hours of video has been recorded. It will be uploaded as soon as blip.tv starts working.

    Admin

  • ManDark October 18, 2007 5:25 am

    Admin,

    Can’t you use viddler???

  • ManDark October 18, 2007 5:27 am

    None of the Pakistani channels are working for me on jumptv.com

    Is that the case with everyone else?

  • majidmalikm October 18, 2007 5:33 am

    you can watch Geo and other channels at

    http://www.apnajpjentertainment.com/

  • Adam October 18, 2007 5:35 am

    @ all visitors

    Almost all the parties have been exposed in last 5-6 months, thanks to media. But even after this, I see blind support for PPP and MQM, whereas these two are perhaps more corrupt (in all senses, not only financially) than other parties.

    With such blind support (plus rural vote banks which are RESERVED for certain vaderas or chaudrys), at times I wonder,

    “Does democracy really suit Pakistan?”

  • Asim Kaleem October 18, 2007 5:38 am

    All those who are out to show support to BB are the only paid clowns and the spare youth who have nothing to do in life. But one thing is for sure, She has that much assests that can bring a crowd of 2 to 4 million easily @ Rs 500/ per supporter, and this is jus

  • Asim Kaleem October 18, 2007 5:39 am

    All those who are out to show support to BB are the only paid clowns and the spare youth who have nothing to do in life. But one thing is for sure, She has that much assests that can bring a crowd of 2 to 4 million easily @ Rs 500/ per supporter, and this is just like salt in the dough for her. Right PPP

  • aftab October 18, 2007 5:45 am

    aoa

    all PPP do is they pay local gunda from each area and he gathers people for them. They are known for been a gunda party

  • Khan October 18, 2007 5:49 am

    IN THIS MOMENT OF JOY .. ahmm..

    Please remember what the political parties have been up to recently.. and what BB has said recently.. the fact that the exile was self imposed.. the fact that she is convicted in a european court.. (under appeal).. has cases pending in various other places.. same goes for NS…

  • missing_pakistan October 18, 2007 6:09 am

    Assalam o alikum wr,

    Check this out
    http://www.jasarat.com/details.php?category=nation&date=18-10-2007&newsid=09.gif

    It is very intresting to see how west implement their planning, how they manipulate the minds through media. How inter connected their system is!
    Wow, brilliant!!

    Poor pakistani awaam, they can forget very easily… jaisee awam waisay hukumraan!

    MAY ALLAH SAVE PAKISTAN.

  • Umer October 18, 2007 6:12 am

    Your both programme Live with Talat and Capital Talk! are not working. Can you please fix this up?

  • Asim Kaleem October 18, 2007 6:20 am

    Admin can u get that documnetary made on BB a decade back named Princess & the Play Boy Party.

  • aftab October 18, 2007 6:20 am

    aoa

    @Umer

    blip tv is down but admin is working on this.

  • Yasar October 18, 2007 6:41 am

    Geo is reporting 2 million people are out in the streets of karachi in support of bb. Today’s show of strength is a slap on the face of all those politicians in APDM who said that ppp supporters are disheartened by bb.

  • Adam October 18, 2007 6:49 am

    Thanks admin. am able to see the video now.

    Visitors.

    Do you think there are hundreds of thousnads (or even 1.2-1.5 M, as claimed by PPP leader nafees siddiquee) people gathered? My estimate is the crowd, as seen in video, is couple of thousands only.

    Comments please.

  • arnaqsh October 18, 2007 6:49 am

    ao all
    since all been restless and anxious to watch wo,s happenning around pakistan at the moment here,s a petty effort on my part to share a link regarding the ongoing event…
    try this
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/video_and_audio/default.stm

  • ManDark October 18, 2007 6:58 am

    ???Videos???

    blip.tv is working now.

  • arnaqsh October 18, 2007 7:00 am

    aoa all
    here,s another link to witness the event………..
    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/10/18/pakistan.bhutto/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

  • Javed Shah October 18, 2007 7:03 am

    BB said in the press conference yesterday, she is going to Pak for the poor people. Such talk doesnt suit a person wearing glasses studded with diamonds bought from the money of those same people.
    Such hypocricy

  • arnaqsh October 18, 2007 7:06 am

    aoa all
    here,s another chunk which cn let u see behind the scene….enjoy
    http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2007/10/18/bpr.bhutto.cnn?iref=mpvideosview

  • arnaqsh October 18, 2007 7:10 am
  • ManDark October 18, 2007 7:12 am

    blip tv has been up for sometime. Are you guys getting the videos on???

  • admin October 18, 2007 7:16 am

    Videos coming shortly.

    Admin

  • Shaukat October 18, 2007 7:23 am

    All Pakistani crimnals from the Pakistani jails be set free now as BB and Asif Ali Zardari are free to move in Pakistan.
    BB is a very narrow minded person,just look at her comment,A Punjabi Prime minister was set free.I am not from Punjab,nor I am the supporter Of Nawaz Sharif,but I highly condemn this statement.
    I cannot imagine that she is so cheap and narrow minded.We should have an open debate on this.

  • Ayaz October 18, 2007 7:29 am

    Thanks Admin
    Now we can watch the programmes , we could’nt earlier.
    Ayaz.

  • Kami October 18, 2007 7:36 am

    We should welcome BB whether we like her or not. It is a start of political process that is necessary for a democratic country.

    Lets hope that BB has learned some lessons. If she repeats her mistakes, she would be history. At the moment she is inevitable because we need BB and NS to help us restore full democracy.

    A democratic Pakistan will be far better especially in the longer run. If BB & NS are bad, it is fault of pervaiz musharraf who didn’t let them go through the process and kept both of them alive through his dictatorship.

  • Nasir October 18, 2007 7:38 am

    At this very moment, the rationale people of Pakistan see Benazir Bhutto as a wife of Mr. Ten Percent and friend of a General rather than daughter of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

    Her actions and ambitions are at 180 degree to those of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

    The crowds we are seeing at Karachi airport are not really those who have come to greet a leader of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto ‘s PPP but they are followers of the very powerful feudal figures of Pakistan.

  • Tahir Chaudhry October 18, 2007 7:44 am

    Congratulations on establishing this very useful website esp for overseas Pakistanis.
    My suggestion is to use more and more of VIDDLER rather than BLIP tv for video playback as the latter is very slow,never runs more than a few seconds before needing to reload/buffer.
    Thanks

  • Democrat October 18, 2007 7:47 am

    @ Bone Daddy

    Please refrain from your two (so far)parochial cap-letter chants: “JAAG PUNJABI…

    Others can then also shout: “NACHH PUNJABI…

    We all know (through your ISP address) that you are a homo mulla refugee from Lal Masjid!

  • Patriot October 18, 2007 7:54 am

    Time for Ehtisab: and for hanging people such as Sheikh Rasheed together with their 14-year old dosheezas!

  • ManDark October 18, 2007 8:02 am

    Ok, I am kind of frustrated now. It is 7:02 AM at my place. No sign of videos. The event is pretty much ruined for me. 🙁

    Viddler could have been used as Blip.tv was down. Viddler is a lot better than blip anyways.

    This is the first time I am angry with this site. But then I can only rely on pkpolitics for getting a view into the local media. Anyways, the event was ruined for me. I don’t know what to say. 🙁

  • aftab October 18, 2007 8:08 am

    aoa

    you can watch coverage on

    http://www.pakistanvision.com/#

  • aftab October 18, 2007 8:08 am

    cont

    live tv stream 1

  • Ali October 18, 2007 8:19 am

    Who cares. She is a looter. Plus she thinks that she is a Messiah for Pakistan.

    I will give her a fews years before she runs back to her HQ in London/Dubai.

  • mohsan (Japan) October 18, 2007 8:32 am

    We are happy that a political leader is going back to Pakistan, but I am little confused about a statement by muhtarama.
    She said in a press conference on airport that `Mera marna aur jeena GHREEB awam ke sath hay`, what does it mean? Can any body explain it to me?
    Waiting anxiously
    Regards

  • sufayn October 18, 2007 8:40 am

    to sign of any videos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • sufayn October 18, 2007 8:40 am

    no sign of any videos!!!!!!!!!!!

  • admin October 18, 2007 8:46 am

    Second video added, made lower quality for quicker upload.

    Please let me know if you are okay with the quality, otherwise I will upload lesser number of videos in higher quality.

    Admin

  • Syed Khan October 18, 2007 8:51 am

    @Ali

    Who cares. She is a looter. Plus she thinks that she is a Messiah for Pakistan.

    I will give her a fews years before she runs back to her HQ in London/Dubai.

    I am 100% agree with you. I think we should call today ‘Black Day’ of pakistan history.

  • Mazhar October 18, 2007 1:57 pm

    Democrat,

    Nothing of that sort has happen. Yes Musharraf’s popularity has decreased in Media not among people. I can understand that admin will have problem in finding out good stuff from media as 24hrs/day there are anti musharraf program. We are yet to hear from the people and that will happen in election. Un till then I am forming my opinion on following things

    – No people on roads protesting against current govt
    – Anti mush politican nawaz came and no one came to welcome him. yes there were police at islamabad airport but not in whole country but still nothing happened in lahore or elsewhere.
    – Benazir did bring out people but now everyone knows that both benazir and musharraf think the same on important issue so this is not necessairly anti mush rally but in fact this activity favors musharraf

    so un till election happens or some reveolution comes on streets, please refrain from saying anything about musharraf’s popularity. I dont believe in polls as i moment musharraf was on 70% and in next poll hes 20% so thats all not real.

    Musharraf is still very much popular despite anti american and anti western forces doing their 100% to label him as traitor. people are not buying this theory and they believe in his sincerity towards pakistan.

    commander,
    Nawaz started cases against benazir NOT musharraf. Nawaz himself was dealing with benazir un till few months back so why did he deal with such a big looter? yes musharraf has given amnesty but it is not benazir specific and others will benefit also. He said that the person who started these cases has apologized to benazir so who am i? also he noted that 90% of the cases are fraud. I still think that pml-q, supreme court will look into cases so its not like ,musharraf has pardeoned her totally. She might still face the music and wishes of anti benazir people may come tru eventually.

    I admire her for courage to come to pakistan when supreme court is still looking at NRO. i admire her for facing the taliban extremists. Unlike nawaz, she is not coward and she who made a deal to get out and save their bank balance.

    She is not ideal but a lot better than nawaz.

    There are lot of indians here disguised as anti musharraf people and pro nawaz and they are trying to create chaos in pakistan as pakistan has become a major regional economic and military power

  • Saqib October 18, 2007 8:59 am

    Where do these PPP get all the sources from? The have used big amounts on this “welcome party” for the primelooter.

    Where do they get all these money from? From America and the establishment in Pakistan? This is stinking deal and people of Pakistan will kick her out, inshallah!

    /Saqib

  • Shaukat October 18, 2007 9:00 am

    With BB,it is not democracy,it is lottocracry,I repeat,it is lootocracy.

  • syszone October 18, 2007 9:13 am

    @All who are joyfull today

    Don’t forget those ppls who are suffering in Waziristan they are afraid that more aggressions will be coming soon because of ur BB have finally arrived to carry on the US agenda in the shad of so called democracy…

    Answer your self to Allah on the Day of Judgment for every moment you all spent in ignorance…

    Pathetic moment for Pakistan … I am disgusts by all who joy today for coming the helper of Dijal…

  • Qasim Ali October 18, 2007 9:13 am

    well after reading comments about BB’s arrival. Its sad we talk about democracy but instead of being happy at the return of political process , people are talking negative. Democracy is all about respecting public opinion. Military junta failed to gather 1 lakh people in islmabad despite excessive use of state machinary.Today’s show proves PPP still is the most popular party in Pakistan. I think last 8 years have shown that Benazir and nawaz are the only two popular leaders in Pakistan. Today’s show will increase chances of Nawaz’s return. Nawaz made a big mistake by depending on Molvies. Mullah have always made political blunders. 10th Septmeber was a gain for dictatorship. Today is an historical day for people who love democracy.
    Respect Public opinion people. survival of pakistan lies in survival of democracy.

  • sufayn October 18, 2007 9:22 am

    come on Admin upload other videos as we are anxiously waiting to see our great leader jeayyyyy bhutto jeay ppp ayaigee ayaigee benzir ayaigee

  • Governance Advocate October 18, 2007 9:32 am

    This is indeed a glorious day for Pakistan. It is also the beginning of the end of the oppression of 99.9 percent of poor and innocent people–whether the country survives in its present shape and form.

    Simultaneously, it is an inevitable day for the judgment of the following: (a) generals and first ladies; (b) the child-abusing mullahs; (c)chamchas/lotas of king’s party.

  • admin October 18, 2007 9:47 am

    Video coming in 2 minutes. Check top of the page shortly.

    Admin

  • Taimur October 18, 2007 9:48 am

    GREAT day????LOL got to be kidding me, and to be exact there were about 150000 people less than what they expected but more than what chaudries and sheikhs were anticipating!
    dont get so excited , she is also an american robot!

  • admin October 18, 2007 9:52 am

    Another video added.

    Admin

  • M Khaleeq October 18, 2007 10:07 am

    Ms Benazir Bhutto is probably the most prolific leader in Pakistan. She is an excellent orator, her speeches are extraordinary, she is completely aware of the problems of the country and the most sincere to the masses. She can be compared to all the great statesmen worldwide. She has inherent sparkle and charisma of her father Z A Bhutto. She is now a mature politician and can turn out to be one of the greatest leaders certainly from the sub-continent and the world. I am a staunch supporter of British Democracy and Benazir is the only reliable candidate to honestly establish such democracy..

  • admin October 18, 2007 10:10 am

    In case you have missed, Focus with Faeza was added shortly with clips from Benazir’s Press Conference and guest included Kashif Abbasi and Shahbaz Sharif on phone.

    Admin

  • admin October 18, 2007 10:16 am

    One hour long video with Kashif Abbasi from Airport is bring encoded and should be ready in less than an hour.

    Yesterday’s Parliament Cafeteria with Asma Chaudhry is coming shortly.

    Admin

  • sirfAikMusalman October 18, 2007 10:17 am

    @ M Khaleeq

    Dude, do copy/paste with little extra care.. naqal k liya bhi aqal chaiaya hoti hay

    “I am a staunch supporter of British Democracy and Benazir is the only reliable candidate to honestly establish such democracy..”

    if its not a copy/paste mistake… then please go and make her prime minister of England. Leave us all pakistanis in peace.

    In other words you are right, she is plotted in pakistani politcs by western forces and by saying “British democracy” you proves it right.

  • Saqib October 18, 2007 10:18 am

    Right Taimur..
    It’s not a great day for Muslims. It’s yet another black day. It’s not difficult to gather people in Pakistan, when you have the sources, and you have the backing of the establishment and the Americans. Shame on BB and her followers and other collaborators!

    /Saqib

  • admin October 18, 2007 10:41 am

    Parliament Cafeteria added.

    Hamid Gul just spoke on GEO with Kamran Khan … video is coming shortly.

    Admin

  • commoner October 18, 2007 10:52 am

    @admin
    Following anti-democratic, pro Taliban Hameed Gul you may add Najam Sethi of Daily Times also. He is also talking to Kamran Khan.

  • Shaukat October 18, 2007 11:07 am

    To all the well wishers of BB,she has been a highly corrupt politician.It is a BLACK DAY for Pakistan,that the corrupt politician is set free to move freely.No one is talking of Mr Asif Ali zardari,every one knows,how corrupt he was and he was the indirect ruler not BB.It is just a false assumption that democracy will flourish witht the arrival of BB, she will further strenghten the hands of Jagirdars and Vaderras.

  • admin October 18, 2007 11:15 am

    @commoner,

    Please don’t paste messages that are out of context and gives boring history lessons.

    Please feel free to start a new topic in the forums on this.

    Thanks for understanding.

    Admin

  • bonitave October 18, 2007 11:26 am

    Aaj is reporting that almost 1.5- 3.00 million people are welcoming the PP leader. It is good omen for people of pakistan. Now NS should also mobilize people, not drawing room chatters, but real people. we want NS back despite the fact he was creature of ISI, made Steel mills through corrupt means and made deal with Mush( Pl read the today’s Supreme Court verdict) People’s participation either in PML N or BB doesnot matter to us. People should be the real source of strength. Admin. be impartial and remove the Sex from one of the option, be decent and tolerant of view but not vulgurist or abusing things.

  • Yasar October 18, 2007 11:26 am

    PPP established 50 reception camps along sharai faisal. Geo itself reported that there are 2 million people and they said that as it is getting darker, more and more people are coming out. Even kahif abbasi, the most anti-ppp jouranlist admitted that PMLN can learn a big lesson on how to mobilize the masses. But than again, nawaz never had the masses, only the establishment. In 5 hours only 1.5 km has been travelled by BB’s truck. That’s how many people are out there. All reported on geo.

  • Yasar October 18, 2007 11:29 am

    @bonitave: I agree with you about the sex option on the poll.

  • bonitave October 18, 2007 11:29 am

    All people who are opposing the Political activities, seem to be anti-political. These can’t be democratic. Be tolerant, I may not vote BB, but i respect everypolitical leader, let people judge and no slander to anyone.
    Tolerance and recognition of opposition is very essence of democracy.

  • Umar October 18, 2007 11:31 am

    Guys congratulations !!! Another American Robot has landed and now these will be more Killings in Wazirastan. Soon we will hand over our Hero (Dr A Q Khan) to United states with his Atomic Research work… Uncle Sam (USA) was waiting for this day. but most painful thing for me is Pakistani Nation is Extremely Stupid….. and It will remain Stupid till Qyamat…

  • sufayn October 18, 2007 11:47 am

    @umar
    its not the pakistani nation its people like u who r stupid

  • Mazhar October 18, 2007 11:47 am

    sufayn,

    very true! well said

  • aftab October 18, 2007 11:57 am

    aoa

    people are saying bb is changed person yeah she is she will be more sharp in stealing from the country.

    But only in pakistan crooks like bb get this sought of welcome.

  • Ayaz October 18, 2007 12:05 pm

    Salutation to Mr. Choudhary;

    New York Bar Association has offered an honrary memebrship to CJ Iftikhar Choudhary as a recognition of his service for the freedom of judiciary in Pakistan. In addition they ve invited him to visit US before spring next year.

    http://daily.urdupoint.com/todayNewsLive.php?news_id=46590&page=1&page1=3&date1=2007-10-18&cat_id=2

    Ayaz

  • Democrat October 18, 2007 12:11 pm

    @ Umar:

    Let there be free and fair elections; and we will witness that the 99.9 percent Pakistanis are not stupid. It is the remaining margin of lotas/chamchas and their first ladies/dosheezas who are now wetting their diapers.

    By the way, even in the 2002 controlled elections PPP polled majority popular vote!

  • Mazhar October 18, 2007 12:12 pm

    Thanks for removing the offending options from the poll

  • admin October 18, 2007 12:14 pm

    @Apologies about the stupid options added in the poll by users.

    I initially started polls and provided 2-3 best answers that I could think and few people started to call me biased.

    Recently I opened poll so some people can add their own answers, but people have started to abuse it by adding their own indecent answers.

    I will try to find a solution and resolve this problem shortly.

    Admin

  • Democrat again October 18, 2007 12:20 pm

    Heartiest felicitations to the CJP for the honor bestowed upon him by the NY Bar Assoc.

    It was Chaudhry Sahib (and Mukhtaran Mai) who started the crawl and took baby steps toward creation of democracy in the country.

    He indeed deserves a place in the International Court of Justice–in the footsteps of Sir Zafrullah Khan. Meanwhile, the Washington DC Bar Association will soon be passing a resolution in honor of the CJP.

  • Javed Shah October 18, 2007 12:24 pm

    Latest Update:
    Talat HUssain, Nusrat Javed, Mushtaq Minhas says that the crowd is maximum 400,000 to 500,000 only. Not is millions, as bosted by PPP

  • Javed I. Sheikh October 18, 2007 12:28 pm

    @ Mr. Umar,
    1. Did you object when Americans patronized Jamaat-i-Islami against Russian communism during the Cold War?
    2. Did you object when Americans sent a Robot in the person of Mr. Moeen Qureshi, and no one dared to question his Constitutional legitimacy as Prime Minister of Pakistan?
    3. A.Q. Khan has sold out all the Blue Prints of his research work to other countries and purchased the Blue Area in Islamabad. He has nothing to deliver to the United Sates.
    Let the people spit the venom against PPP and BB. It is healthy sign to regain and retain normalcy.
    Javed I. Sheikh

  • Democrat October 18, 2007 12:29 pm

    @ javed Shah

    It’s because people like me are glued to TV–celebrating and anticipating getting rid of the Military-Chaudhry alliance!

  • Democrat October 18, 2007 12:30 pm

    @ javed Shah

    It’s because people like me are glued to TV–celebrating, and anticipating to get rid of the Military-Chaudhry alliance!

  • common-man October 18, 2007 12:31 pm

    what happened to the corrupt charges? amnesty? who gave Mush the right to give amnesty to someone who has stolen from taxpaying pakistanis?

    if you are granted amnesty, does this mean you actually were guilty of those charges? think about it. Geo has been bought. They’re mentioning nothing of the charges. She is back to loot us again.

  • Mazhar October 18, 2007 12:37 pm

    Admin,

    Thanks for removing those offending options. I am 100% Musharraf supporter and I am totally against benazir, nawaz, imran, mma and all other corrupt politicans. However I dont use such bad language against anyone.

    They or their party members might be corrupt but still we should not use derogatory language against anyone nor should we bring ethnic politcis into it. We however should discuss the role of ethnicity in politics but we should not degrade anyone or any politican because of his or her ethnicity.

    Good to see that you are actively checking on such activites. I have a feeling that this website is biased towards a point of view but I still come here often to get the pulse of the opposing view. Initially people here use to use bad language against Musharraf and other leaders but I am noting that it has gone down a bit so thats a good thing.

    I want this site to grow and I wish you the best. My advice would be to go do away with biases and become a real pakistan politic site where you present all points of views. Also please make strict guidliness so that this forum becomes a tool for teaching everyone that there is no room for misbehaving and rowdiness in politics and political discussion.

    You have gotten a good start and people (specially foreign pakistanis) are coming to this site a lot so you have an oppurtunity to provide them unbiased and thorough updates on situation in Pakistan. If you choose that path then I think you can become a major player and even more popular website. My sincere advise to you is to take that step and go above any political inclinations.

    Aim should be to be pro pakistan website not pro nawaz, pro imran or anything. In the end people count so our views and posts dont matter anyway. We know that 90% of pakistan doesnt have access to internet therefore i dont see this as a medium of change but as a forum for discussion.

    Best wishes,

    Mazhar

  • Patriot October 18, 2007 12:38 pm

    @ common man

    Let’s not get into the corruption argument! Since 1947, everyone is naked in the hamam. General Kargil will be joining the club soon.

    By the way, who gave a right to Nawaz Sharif to give away free housing plots to members of the Pakistan Cricket Team?

  • Mazhar October 18, 2007 12:43 pm

    Who gave the right to nawaz sharif to freeze foreign accounts while his leaders sent all their money abroad. They made millions of rupees in that scam as the value of $ got higher and they then cashed on later.

    It was not Musharraf who started these corruption charges against benazir but Mr. nawaz Sharif himself.

    Why has he apoligized to benazir for that? Why did he deal with benazir if she was corrupt?

    The first person who should be accused of giving amnesty to benazir is mr nawaz sharif and then imran khan who un till recently use to sit with her and they never raised anything then. Since she made an arrangement with musharraf suddenly we have imran and nawaz back talking about amnesty. Well why did you deal with a corrupt person in last 10 year? enough of this double standards

  • Democrat October 18, 2007 12:47 pm

    @ Mazhar:

    I find your posting useless, patronizing, and offensive. First, reading between the lines, you suggest that only pro-Musharraf people are pro-Pakistan. What nonsense! Second, this is a site where even people who cannot use a spell check should be allowed to express their political views. The only restriction should be on being abusive, vulgar, degrading, and personal.

  • aftab October 18, 2007 12:49 pm

    aoa

    its because of bb that the dictator is still here, otherwise if all opposition political forces joined hands it was end of days for mush
    but we can give a big thank you to bb for this.

    how people support mush is beyond believe when he is killing innocent civilians in ramadan. they say if you cant do anything at least feel it in your hearts because i certainly do .

  • Democrat again October 18, 2007 12:53 pm

    @ Mazhar:

    I find your posting patronizing. First, reading between the lines, you suggest that only pro-Musharraf people are pro-Pakistan. Second, this is a site where even people who cannot use spell check should be allowed to express political views. The only restriction should be on being abusive, degrading, and personal.

  • Democrat October 18, 2007 1:00 pm

    @ aftab

    I too feel the pain of the poor and innocent people of Waziristan (irrespective of the Ramadan). But, let’s get over the blame game: everyone is responsible for the the extended and intermittent military rule.

    My solution: disband the Pakistan army–with expited pensions and a freeze on recruitment.

  • Mazhar October 18, 2007 1:02 pm

    Democrat,

    Don’t read too much between the line because there isnt anything there.

    When a site which I consider biased towards anti musharraf views starts posting or starts giving pro musharraf point of view then I think it becomes a pro pakistani site since it equally gives space to everyone in pakistan and not just selected few.

    I didnt say anything about spell checks and i dont mind your exclusions also. Thats what i was trying to say also.

  • commoner October 18, 2007 1:04 pm

    @Admin
    I dont mind removal of my posts but I fail to make out how talking about Hameed Gul’s services to democracy and interactions with USA is irrelvant here when he was castigating other for the same offences. The comments may not be boring to read for others, on the contrary they provide a perspective.
    I have a feeling that another anti nawaz is on the way out from the forum.
    Thanks

  • MYA October 18, 2007 1:17 pm

    @admin

    i have just heard that arbaab has been humilated by KK. can u please also upload that clip where KK confronted with the filthy Arbaab… Thanks for your amazing service. you owe us a big time

  • Ali October 18, 2007 1:17 pm

    Where is Aitizaz Ahsan ? did he go to Karachi or Was in the SC fighting for real democracy ?

  • J A Malik October 18, 2007 1:20 pm

    Benezir did a deal with Musharaf under the American umberala, Nawaz Sharif did deal with Musharaf and left the country on the mercy of Army General. American used Musharaf for their own interest and whole price is paid by Pakistani residents. Pakistan is now at its worst condition and fighting to save her existence on the Earth. Who is responsible for this whole crises, due to which Bhutto lost his life , BB dealing with American for return to her home country.
    This all is due to Pakistan Army General,s illegal action, their interest in politics.
    In my opinion once General should be hanged to finish this race. This action will be only in the interest of pakistan. J A Malik

  • Democrat October 18, 2007 1:20 pm

    @ Mazhar

    Thanks for the clarification. But how can the admin “manufacture” equal weight for the the “pro general” opinions (who enjoys less than 20% rating amongst the population)? Also, the 90% of Pakistan–without internet–have now risen!

  • Muhammad October 18, 2007 1:24 pm

    Disgusting & Deeply Nauseating But Expected…

    BBC says 200,000 which considering PPP’s organisational strength, the amount of money spent, no opposition by the Government & finally the fact she was coming after 8 years is actually not that extraordinary…

    My prediction is that if Nawaz Sharif lands at LHR airport, there will be more than 1,000,000 people to greet him…

  • commander October 18, 2007 1:29 pm

    @Sufyan and Mazhar

    Umar is right, where was the Benazir whike there were charges against her, she was in self exiled and and as soon as General Mush issued NRO, she booked her ticket to pakistan. She is back to start a war of America against her own people !!Who gave the right to Mush to eleminate all the curroption charges against her !! I feel shame when i think all about it !!

  • Democrat again October 18, 2007 1:35 pm

    @ Muhammad:

    Numbers do not matter! Conversely, it is a joy, pride, and honour to see that there also Christians and Hindus who welcomed her!

  • HD October 18, 2007 1:35 pm

    hello guys

    aaj aap nay yaqenan magermach k ansu bhi apne ankhoon say daykh liye hoon gay jo k mohtarma nay pakistan pohanch k bahaye

    or pakistani awam vaqaye itne stupid hay k aaj bhi choroon ka sath daynay k liye tayar hay

    Allah karay k in ko jald akal aa jaye

    ameen

  • commander October 18, 2007 1:36 pm

    @Muhammad

    I am sorry to say Muhammad that even Mr Sharif is not an angel. why we people are still crazy for these curropt leaders. How many times we have to trust these leaders ?? please stop it now, its enough !! Its a time for a revoltion !! Its a time to get rid of these people !! Its a time to bring a change in our country and the people those who are still with the hope that there will be free and fair elections in our country, then tell me how many times in past we had free and fair elections :))

  • kami October 18, 2007 1:41 pm

    She is back to strngthen Musharaf. now we wait for Nawaz Sharif to hammer last nail in Mush’s coffin. ‘aik lohaar ki’ will be very vital.

  • BitterTruth October 18, 2007 1:44 pm

    So finally the corruption queen is back!! Pakistan has now enough to buy another palace in Europe! Go ahead and start loot maar..

  • Democrat again October 18, 2007 1:45 pm

    @ Commander:

    I agree with the gist of the your argument.

    For the record, there were free and fair elections in December 1970. And fortunately for the Bengalis, East Pakistan separated. Now I pray for the liberation also of the remaining poor and innocent people.

  • A Javed October 18, 2007 1:49 pm

    Slavery and lack of education is very self evident today.

    If anyone robs someone today, they stand a 100% chance of getting away with it as you can argue it is fundamnetal breach of your human rights to be treated differntly BB & Co.

    To those who are educated Pakistanis – There is no option but to stand up and save the country. Staying at home and just maoning is not an option any more. We will not able to turn the clock back.

    Shame on the Army who have passed a disgraced Ordinance. Army and PPP lost us East Pakistan. They are on verge of doing the same.

  • aftab October 18, 2007 1:54 pm

    aoa

    if people want something different from the current leaders then i say give imran khan a chance. if the people don’t give him a chance then i would say that the lawyers should also make a party.

  • Ayaz October 18, 2007 2:12 pm

    hahahaha
    what a dilemma!
    what an “intelligent” poll by BBC. plz take a look.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/?displayresults=1&configfile=votecontrol.xml#vote

    No matter how you vote, the binificiary remains the one!!

    strange!

  • Awam October 18, 2007 2:14 pm

    Jaisi Qom waisey Hakim…..

    Who are these people…welcoming the American Robot….
    Either they are ignorant, illiterate, not well informed….
    Or worse… without any self-respect, conscience and themselves corrupt…

    Are we really Zinda Qom Hain, Painda Qom Hain…???
    Very sad to see not what the leaders do but what the Awam puts up with!!!

  • Faisal wali October 18, 2007 2:20 pm

    There is a blast near by “BB Reciption”… Few people are injured ..but news are coming yet

  • MYA October 18, 2007 2:21 pm

    there are some blasts heard… a sad news…

  • Faisal wali October 18, 2007 2:29 pm

    There are at least two blast, Fire in one car moving near by BB’s truck…First people started running bec of this lot of people are also injured.. Ambulances are arrived..Rangers covered all the area near by Quaid’s tomb…

  • Shahid October 18, 2007 2:34 pm

    Very SAD !!

    I could never think that we would see such days in Paksitan…..

  • Faisal wali October 18, 2007 2:36 pm

    Very sad news… according to GEO ..at least 35 people are killed

  • Democrat October 18, 2007 2:38 pm

    @ Mazhar:

    The issue is not pro/anti- anyone person! It is: simply the establishment of a system of responsible and representative government where armed forces have only a confined role.

  • Pakistan October 18, 2007 2:39 pm

    Two bomb blast before the rally, at karsaz area, about 35 people dead.

  • admin October 18, 2007 2:47 pm

    I started a new topic, please share updates and links from news sources.

    Link to Topic

    Admin

  • Lota Police October 18, 2007 2:48 pm

    Why did Bezamir come back?

    Don’t tell me she didn’t know that a lot of ppl would want her assassinated?

    It’s sad that innocents were killed, the blood is on the hands of Bezamir Bhutto.

  • HD October 18, 2007 2:50 pm

    Bomb blasts are as per the plan and written script of US.
    Only few poor jieyals died ( not a big price) and they will try to get sympathy and nullify impacts of NRO etc.

    at the same time, it will help them to minimise chances of successful shwo of strength by any other political party in near future ( most probably not allowing such rally).

    Shame on pro US establishment and their new team member ( BB). Killing poor people just for their dirty plans.

  • chussain October 18, 2007 2:50 pm

    Hold on guys – there have been two blasts at the procession and there are unconfirmed reports by BBC that there are many casulaties.

    Lagta hai procession to nazar lag gaye hai. Where are jialas to protect BB – they all ran away

  • Pakistan October 18, 2007 3:13 pm
  • Pakistan October 18, 2007 3:16 pm

    Latest GEO
    about 53 died and 80 Injured

  • Yasar October 18, 2007 4:05 pm

    @chussain: For your information bb was the first person wisked away by the jiyalas to bilawal house. THe whole world knows who ran away. On sept. 10, all of u were sitting at home to scared to come out and recieve nawaz. Stop getting jealous at PPP’s popularity. If u need to learn lessons from us on how to mobolize masses, we can offer our services.

  • chussain October 18, 2007 4:13 pm

    At least 93 people are dead – very very unfortunate.

  • chussain October 18, 2007 4:16 pm

    BB came with consent of Pervaiz Musharraf and MQM after the British Goverment told Altaf Hussain that if he tried to interfere with BB return he would be extradiated from London. So the elaborate reception she was getting was not because of just PPP but it was fully facilitated by the goverment – both Sindh and Federal.

    When NS would return and if government does not make any hindrance you would also know who is more popular. If a person like CJ could bring out lakhs of people when he toured Punjab then why wouldnt NS be able to do so. The game has just started. Lets see what happens.

  • Tanweer Amjad October 18, 2007 4:22 pm

    @Yasar
    Yes PPP can mobilise people. Other parties should learn:
    Rs 500 per person for coming to the gathering
    Rs 5000 per ghunda to drag 100s of people with him
    BB still would save a lot from the 1.5 billion dollar she gained during the last government

  • Tanweer Amjad October 18, 2007 4:23 pm

    Not to forget the Haari’s of her family villages, who have no choice since they were born.

  • Tanweer Amjad October 18, 2007 4:24 pm

    @admin
    I would rerquest you to delete my previous comments. That thing should not be that open.

  • chussain October 18, 2007 4:49 pm

    BB should ponder tonight what happened at her procession – when you come home on shoulders of America and UK and you give statements like supporting Salman Rushdie, saying she would let Americans interrogate Qadeer Khan and would let Americans attack tribal areas to kill Al Qaeda then what do you expect – you are yourself justifying violence in Waziristan and tribal areas where hundreds of innocent women and children have been ruthlessly killed by both NATO bombings and now by our respected Pakistan Army (which unfortunately is expert at laying down arms without firing even a single bullet when it faces India) and then expect that everyhing would be fine. The bomb blasts which have occurred is the chain of those events set in motion on May 12 ruthless killings by MQM. Americans have got together liberal fascists in form of Perviaz Musharraf – the enlightened moderator, MQM and now PPP in form of Benazir.

    Aitazaz Ahsan is said to be in shock – he should realise that realities are different for BB and for Chief Justice. The people loved CJ because he stood up to a dictator and people generally dont like (except for jialas) BB because she compromised with general in form of reconciliation and that only too get her cases finished. Now she cannot blame Nawaz Sharif for having made a deal. In this hamam now BB, NS, Chaudhris, MQM and Maulvis all are nangay – and paradoxically Pervaiz Musharraf has done the biggest favour to Pakistan – he has very cleverly showed teh true face of our politicians who are nothing but money grabbers.

  • Tanweer Amjad October 18, 2007 5:06 pm
  • javed I. Sheikh October 18, 2007 6:39 pm

    Who is going to rule and control, such a society?
    what is the out come of all this discussion?
    Very Sad. very Sad.
    Ina-li-aalha-i-wa-ina-elaihi-rajioon.
    God Bless You.
    Good bye.
    javed

  • Shaukat October 18, 2007 7:42 pm

    It is really unfortunate that so many got killed and injured.I condemn this act of terrorrism.

  • Mujahid October 20, 2007 3:02 pm

    BB&Co. show is over with a sad mark on the face of poor people.The satanic dance of death leaving 140 dead,600 injoured.Who is repocible? When BB knew in advance this is going to happen,why she did not used helicoper.Whatever happen to the people does not matter the show must go on.This lady is selfish and self centered. Still she is playing politics on the dead body of very very poor uneducated people.She herself was safe in a tank like vehical, the poor supporters were open under the sky to be killed in saving their beloved leader.Whom they were kidding.This bloody show is going on since 60 years we are sick and tired to see the same drama again and again.After the assassination of Khan Liaquat Ali Khan the same family is ruling the country.They are only 2%.We should not carried away by non issiue and missleading sologans the real issue is people’s welfare not BB or bourgeois class. I am very much disturbed I like to file FIR against BB & Co. for the murder of innocent people.I am praying for the dead and also for the injoured to gell well soon.God give them the courage to overcome this tragedy and the wisdom to understand the motive of their leaders,Allah save Pakistan from these cheaters.Aammin.

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