@ Shahid Kinnare…..I feel sorry for your state of mind. Your sources of information are as flawed as ur thinking. You must switch to iodine mila namak……it would help you a lot….
Imran is the most corrupt person. Everyone knows his drug smuggling stories in his cricket gear. Small insects like Imran can only get traction by acting blunt and criticizing the bigger parties, because he has nothing to lose. This is ironic that a play boy like Imran is representing right wing.
Tariq with all due respects, if we analyse, all political parties are giving statements for instance, judges should be reinstated, media should be given freedom, pakistanis should not be deprived of basic health and educational services, but which politician has steped forward and done anything practically..
I only see Imran Khan who has launched ’save judiciary fund’, opened Shaukat Shanam Hospital and had just built Namal Technical College in Mianwali. So I think its obvious who stands where, things cannot be kept hidden for long.
With all the due respect and little more, Imran is doing welfare work for/near his …. Which is good, and I am happy for him. even though I have my reservations on some of the great work that he is doing (like cancer hospital, I don’t know if you know how many people die with hunger and other small diseases every day in Pakistan….very few people even know that they have cancer….point is its good that he has opened a cancer specific hospital because his mother passed away with that disease…however our country has far greater problems that need to be fixed…)
I don’t like Imran because he is just talk in politics…I haven’t seen him going to the jail for more then few hours…I want to see him in jail for few years before he buys my time to even listen to him.
For example now, why is he hiding why doesn’t he come out and get arrested…right now I see him as another rich kid with clean cloths…I wana see him in dirt and his white complexion turned into dark or atleast brown.
@Tariq Khan,
This is really ironic that a playboy like IK has given a Cancer hospital to this nation; a playboy like IK was the first one who spoke against MQM and and had the courage to present its true face to the nation. Its actually people like you who support corrupt people and help them hijack the nation.
Imran used to be…I think everybody have a dark secret or two, atleast he has the guts to admit that his past was not untainted…but that doesn’t mean that he has lost the right to do any good for the nation. Dudes you might never had a date in your life but he had girls running after him…
He has the courage to standup against terrorists like MQM - thali ka bangan party. In every govt they shared power but that didn’t contirbuted to the well being of people Karachi instead ‘bhatta’ rate went up…making Altaf richer…
finally I want to say that Pakistan should be our priority not ‘parties’…and Independent Juidiciary is our best bet, if this pillar is strong everything will fall in place over the period of time…Pakistan Zindabad
Benazir is trying to hijack Lawyers struggle and Judge’s sacrifice…and want to show to the people particularly in the West that she is the moderate leader they are looking for…stop this fake wrestling. It’s the struggle of Pakistan’s civil society ie Lawyers, Judges, students, intellectuals, middle class, poor people and all those who think beyond party politics…
its really hurting if u compare pakistan to other countries, look at us we have our guards ruling us and there is no one to trust.BB and fazlulrehman acting as hero and villan at the same time and no body is interested to see such movie.imran is a sincere but very minute for a big task.NS and SS (pml n) both bro are smelling fishy fishy.Qazi has proved himself nothing in nwfp 5 years,mma did nothing for people.karachi in the hands of murderers.Balochistan does not feel anymore to be a part of pakistan,punjab at the mercy of bhongay brothers.Agencies killing own countrymen in swat and wazirstan.Army GHQ acting as pentagon branch.nuclear weapons, if still there, proved to be the reason of destroying pakistan itself without launcing.I think the only way is that, Lawyers should make their own party, as they exist from makran to gilgit and their recent movements are all supported by a common pakistani not by jiyalay or tigers ect.I think they should be given a chance.
Its even more Ironic that you didn’t already know about MQM real face. whatever Imran khan said, everyone already knew about that. about cancer hospital…I have already mentioned my view about that…as I said before people with one seat can say things very bluntly since they have very less to lose(donot get confuse thinking that they are brave). as I said he needs to go to a jail for few years and sacrifice something…
Sadly its people like you who strengthen the hands for dictatorship (at least on internet) by ignoring the leadership who have big resume of their sacrifices. luckily people like you donot go out and vote with your poor judgment.
Does any one remember that Imran Khan was going to English Court against Don Altaf Hussain of MQM. People like me said that Imran Khan would never take Altaf Hussain to court becouse he was Imran Khan’s Bhai.
Judges + Lawyers + Media= They were never the most sincere and honest people…Sorry but don’t buy their argument that they are struggling for the rights of common people or pakistan….Baloney….Fact remains that the past few months they were running a parallel Govt and to some extent against pakistan’s interest at several fronts.
Imran Khan: No matter how good he is. To be in power (PM) you need NA majority. Although i like him but fact remains that i don’t see him getting any majority (outside Mianwali and on a national level) for the next several years so his fate will remain a wishful thinking ( eh so sad). Good for the ears to hear him but worthless..
Nawaz+BB+Remaining: All these feudals / industrialist have common goals and interests..and have nothing in common with Mango Man (Aam Aadmi), If we check interior provinces…these people have raped and ruined their own constituencies then how could they bring change on a national level….its not a logical expectation and will not happen….Religious parties…the most pathetic of all yet they are required to address those moulvi type thinking type of low IQ minority people…these moulvis are pushing mindsets backward at such a fast pace that they will probably discover the cause of Big Bang first hand before anyone…(hmm…Damn they are making themsleves useful and a chance to collect some Nobels so scratch the idea and let them be i guess)….Frankly Changes of any type that we do see is not because of somebody yet changes were due to Global realities…therefore no credit goes to anyone ..Sorry…
Real changes would have been real implementation of “Land Reforms”, corrupt people (political or govt) serving time (of course not all corrupt …since not enough jails)…political parties promoting leaders within themselves (not seeking removal of third time PM or any signing of 5/10 year contract etc etc)…implementation of strict law and order etc etc….who we are kidding…day and night talk about freedom of this and that etc etc…
Keep in mind that majority of pakistais are in rural areas and poor and pakistan being a crowded country we see s*** load of people in the cities as well struggling….Now here comes those middle classi eh , those Over seas pakistanis those enlightened ones ..smile….sweating on this situation…So don’t and enjoy the ride.. They (Govt + politicians + lawyeres + media) all are ” Eik hee thalee kay chattay battay”. Things were almost good for all of them but somehow it got screwed…Normal pakistanis don’t get Justice or Peace or Prosperity whether its Emergency or NOT…Musharraf or Benazir or anyone else…thats how it was, it is and will remain for the next several years..So doooooor say baath kar jaltay bhuntay raho yeh phir khamooshi say khidmat e khlaq karo….
BB and Imran are classmates and are doing thier own roles .People are best judges whom role they like but be carefull to understand the political personalities
Interesting article on TIME… I quite like the last sentence as to how the lawyer movement has forced the shameless Be-zameer to understand Democracy…
Pakistan’s Lesson in Democracy
Thursday, Nov. 08, 2007 By ARYN BAKER/ISLAMABAD
After increasing pressure from both the international community and his own people, Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf announced today in Islamabad that elections would be held before February 15, and that he would soon be doffing his controversial military uniform. If the country didn’t exactly erupt into shouts of jubilation, there was certainly a collective sigh of relief, as the announcement presages an end to a draconian regime of martial law that has plagued the country since Saturday. The White House responded with praise — “We think it is a good thing that President Musharraf has clarified the election date for the Pakistani people,” White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. But former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto opted for a wait-and-see attitude. “We don’t want vague and generalized statements,”? she told a press conference on the eve of a massive anti-emergency rally planned for Friday. “We want up-front answers.”
While Musharraf was ready to make firm a date for parliamentary polls that would see the election of a new Prime Minister — a position most Pakistanis assume will be filled by the popular Bhutto — he was less definitive about when, exactly, he was planning to step down as chief of Pakistan’s army.
For the past eight years Musharraf, who took power in a 1999 coup, has run the country as both President and general. That straddling of both offices — which many say contravenes Pakistan’s constitution — was challenged in October when Musharraf won a second term as President with 98% of the vote in an election that was boycotted by the opposition. Musharraf had promised that he would step down as general before he was sworn in as President. But a Supreme Court ruling on the legitimacy of that election was still pending, and the court ordered that Musharraf could not be declared the winner — and thus be sworn in — before it came to a decision. Musharraf, apparently, wasn’t willing to wait. On Saturday Musharraf declared emergency rule, sacked the Chief Justice, put the other justices under house arrest and shut down the country’s independent television stations. While Musharraf announced that emergency law was necessary to contain the spread of extremism, his government’s crackdown on lawyers, human rights campaigners, judges and media made it clear that his real target was a civil society and a judiciary willing — and increasingly able — to challenge his power.
When asked about stepping down as army chief after today’s announcement, Musharraf repeated the presiding judge’s order not to announce the election results, and said that he would remove his uniform and take oath of office when the Supreme Court came to its decision. Never mind that a new Supreme Court has been hastily cobbled together from a gallery of judges willing to sign what amounts to an oath of allegiance to the government, while more than half of the original court languish under house arrest.
Bhutto, exhibiting a newly discovered resolve vis-à-vis Musharraf, with whom she had hoped to reach a power-sharing deal, declared his announcement insufficient, and demanded that he remove his uniform immediately. She said Musharraf should release the original judges and let “the real Supreme Court” decide on his legitimacy. “We will accept the decision of that Supreme Court, which will be constitutional and includes those judges who are detained,” she said. Up until now, Bhutto has avoided all references to Pakistan’s judiciary, focusing instead on elections and a call for civilian rule.
Some critics point out that Bhutto, who was awaiting a ruling on the constitutionality of an amnesty bill that would have absolved her from longstanding corruption charges, would have been perfectly content with Musharraf’s more docile Supreme Court 2.0. But the people of Pakistan have grown to love their independent judiciary. Protests against Musharraf’s emergency rule have been dominated by the country’s black-suited lawyers, who have garnered immense respect for their tireless campaign for rule of law and a civilian President. Bhutto, it seems, has been forced to respond to the demands of her people over pursuing her own interests. Musharraf may have announced elections, but Bhutto is starting to understand democracy.
November 10th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
No Hope!Vote only to Imran Khan give him a chance,BB,Nawaz and Chudhary’s all are corrupt
November 10th, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Aveei, Imran Khan sitting in ISI guest House and giving Interviews and you think we should vote for him and his friend Qazi Hussain.
November 10th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
@shahid kinnare,
Please refrain from making senseless statements without any proof.
November 10th, 2007 at 4:49 pm
shahid are you guarding that resthouse….who else is there:)…
November 10th, 2007 at 4:52 pm
@ Shahid Kinnare…..I feel sorry for your state of mind. Your sources of information are as flawed as ur thinking. You must switch to iodine mila namak……it would help you a lot….
November 10th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
well said kashif:), I wonder why dont we even think once before passing such comments
November 10th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
Imran is the most corrupt person. Everyone knows his drug smuggling stories in his cricket gear. Small insects like Imran can only get traction by acting blunt and criticizing the bigger parties, because he has nothing to lose. This is ironic that a play boy like Imran is representing right wing.
November 10th, 2007 at 5:09 pm
@shiahid kinaare
he is bb jayala and u know that they dont think from their mind, they think what sheri rehman or rehman malik tell them.
November 10th, 2007 at 5:19 pm
@ Tariq Khan
Tariq with all due respects, if we analyse, all political parties are giving statements for instance, judges should be reinstated, media should be given freedom, pakistanis should not be deprived of basic health and educational services, but which politician has steped forward and done anything practically..
I only see Imran Khan who has launched ’save judiciary fund’, opened Shaukat Shanam Hospital and had just built Namal Technical College in Mianwali. So I think its obvious who stands where, things cannot be kept hidden for long.
November 10th, 2007 at 5:56 pm
With all the due respect and little more, Imran is doing welfare work for/near his …. Which is good, and I am happy for him. even though I have my reservations on some of the great work that he is doing (like cancer hospital, I don’t know if you know how many people die with hunger and other small diseases every day in Pakistan….very few people even know that they have cancer….point is its good that he has opened a cancer specific hospital because his mother passed away with that disease…however our country has far greater problems that need to be fixed…)
I don’t like Imran because he is just talk in politics…I haven’t seen him going to the jail for more then few hours…I want to see him in jail for few years before he buys my time to even listen to him.
For example now, why is he hiding why doesn’t he come out and get arrested…right now I see him as another rich kid with clean cloths…I wana see him in dirt and his white complexion turned into dark or atleast brown.
November 10th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
corrections :
“Imran is doing welfare work for/near his constituency. Which is good, and I am happy for him.”
November 10th, 2007 at 6:26 pm
@Tariq Khan,
This is really ironic that a playboy like IK has given a Cancer hospital to this nation; a playboy like IK was the first one who spoke against MQM and and had the courage to present its true face to the nation. Its actually people like you who support corrupt people and help them hijack the nation.
November 10th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
@shahid kinnare and @Tariq Khan
Imran used to be…I think everybody have a dark secret or two, atleast he has the guts to admit that his past was not untainted…but that doesn’t mean that he has lost the right to do any good for the nation. Dudes you might never had a date in your life but he had girls running after him…
He has the courage to standup against terrorists like MQM - thali ka bangan party. In every govt they shared power but that didn’t contirbuted to the well being of people Karachi instead ‘bhatta’ rate went up…making Altaf richer…
finally I want to say that Pakistan should be our priority not ‘parties’…and Independent Juidiciary is our best bet, if this pillar is strong everything will fall in place over the period of time…Pakistan Zindabad
November 10th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Benazir is trying to hijack Lawyers struggle and Judge’s sacrifice…and want to show to the people particularly in the West that she is the moderate leader they are looking for…stop this fake wrestling. It’s the struggle of Pakistan’s civil society ie Lawyers, Judges, students, intellectuals, middle class, poor people and all those who think beyond party politics…
November 10th, 2007 at 7:12 pm
hello admin…
when wud u upload kashif’s and talat’s programs…
God bless you…
November 10th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
its really hurting if u compare pakistan to other countries, look at us we have our guards ruling us and there is no one to trust.BB and fazlulrehman acting as hero and villan at the same time and no body is interested to see such movie.imran is a sincere but very minute for a big task.NS and SS (pml n) both bro are smelling fishy fishy.Qazi has proved himself nothing in nwfp 5 years,mma did nothing for people.karachi in the hands of murderers.Balochistan does not feel anymore to be a part of pakistan,punjab at the mercy of bhongay brothers.Agencies killing own countrymen in swat and wazirstan.Army GHQ acting as pentagon branch.nuclear weapons, if still there, proved to be the reason of destroying pakistan itself without launcing.I think the only way is that, Lawyers should make their own party, as they exist from makran to gilgit and their recent movements are all supported by a common pakistani not by jiyalay or tigers ect.I think they should be given a chance.
November 10th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Its even more Ironic that you didn’t already know about MQM real face. whatever Imran khan said, everyone already knew about that. about cancer hospital…I have already mentioned my view about that…as I said before people with one seat can say things very bluntly since they have very less to lose(donot get confuse thinking that they are brave). as I said he needs to go to a jail for few years and sacrifice something…
Sadly its people like you who strengthen the hands for dictatorship (at least on internet) by ignoring the leadership who have big resume of their sacrifices. luckily people like you donot go out and vote with your poor judgment.
November 10th, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Does any one remember story of Imaran Khan’s wife Jemina stealing some tiles from some Mughal ruins a Pakistan National treasure.
November 10th, 2007 at 7:43 pm
Does any one remember that Imran Khan was going to English Court against Don Altaf Hussain of MQM. People like me said that Imran Khan would never take Altaf Hussain to court becouse he was Imran Khan’s Bhai.
November 10th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Judges + Lawyers + Media= They were never the most sincere and honest people…Sorry but don’t buy their argument that they are struggling for the rights of common people or pakistan….Baloney….Fact remains that the past few months they were running a parallel Govt and to some extent against pakistan’s interest at several fronts.
Imran Khan: No matter how good he is. To be in power (PM) you need NA majority. Although i like him but fact remains that i don’t see him getting any majority (outside Mianwali and on a national level) for the next several years so his fate will remain a wishful thinking ( eh so sad). Good for the ears to hear him but worthless..
Nawaz+BB+Remaining: All these feudals / industrialist have common goals and interests..and have nothing in common with Mango Man (Aam Aadmi), If we check interior provinces…these people have raped and ruined their own constituencies then how could they bring change on a national level….its not a logical expectation and will not happen….Religious parties…the most pathetic of all yet they are required to address those moulvi type thinking type of low IQ minority people…these moulvis are pushing mindsets backward at such a fast pace that they will probably discover the cause of Big Bang first hand before anyone…(hmm…Damn they are making themsleves useful and a chance to collect some Nobels so scratch the idea and let them be i guess)….Frankly Changes of any type that we do see is not because of somebody yet changes were due to Global realities…therefore no credit goes to anyone ..Sorry…
Real changes would have been real implementation of “Land Reforms”, corrupt people (political or govt) serving time (of course not all corrupt …since not enough jails)…political parties promoting leaders within themselves (not seeking removal of third time PM or any signing of 5/10 year contract etc etc)…implementation of strict law and order etc etc….who we are kidding…day and night talk about freedom of this and that etc etc…
Keep in mind that majority of pakistais are in rural areas and poor and pakistan being a crowded country we see s*** load of people in the cities as well struggling….Now here comes those middle classi eh , those Over seas pakistanis those enlightened ones ..smile….sweating on this situation…So don’t and enjoy the ride.. They (Govt + politicians + lawyeres + media) all are ” Eik hee thalee kay chattay battay”. Things were almost good for all of them but somehow it got screwed…Normal pakistanis don’t get Justice or Peace or Prosperity whether its Emergency or NOT…Musharraf or Benazir or anyone else…thats how it was, it is and will remain for the next several years..So doooooor say baath kar jaltay bhuntay raho yeh phir khamooshi say khidmat e khlaq karo….
November 10th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
BB and Imran are classmates and are doing thier own roles .People are best judges whom role they like but be carefull to understand the political personalities
November 10th, 2007 at 10:20 pm
Interesting article on TIME… I quite like the last sentence as to how the lawyer movement has forced the shameless Be-zameer to understand Democracy…
Pakistan’s Lesson in Democracy
Thursday, Nov. 08, 2007 By ARYN BAKER/ISLAMABAD
After increasing pressure from both the international community and his own people, Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf announced today in Islamabad that elections would be held before February 15, and that he would soon be doffing his controversial military uniform. If the country didn’t exactly erupt into shouts of jubilation, there was certainly a collective sigh of relief, as the announcement presages an end to a draconian regime of martial law that has plagued the country since Saturday. The White House responded with praise — “We think it is a good thing that President Musharraf has clarified the election date for the Pakistani people,” White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. But former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto opted for a wait-and-see attitude. “We don’t want vague and generalized statements,”? she told a press conference on the eve of a massive anti-emergency rally planned for Friday. “We want up-front answers.”
While Musharraf was ready to make firm a date for parliamentary polls that would see the election of a new Prime Minister — a position most Pakistanis assume will be filled by the popular Bhutto — he was less definitive about when, exactly, he was planning to step down as chief of Pakistan’s army.
For the past eight years Musharraf, who took power in a 1999 coup, has run the country as both President and general. That straddling of both offices — which many say contravenes Pakistan’s constitution — was challenged in October when Musharraf won a second term as President with 98% of the vote in an election that was boycotted by the opposition. Musharraf had promised that he would step down as general before he was sworn in as President. But a Supreme Court ruling on the legitimacy of that election was still pending, and the court ordered that Musharraf could not be declared the winner — and thus be sworn in — before it came to a decision. Musharraf, apparently, wasn’t willing to wait. On Saturday Musharraf declared emergency rule, sacked the Chief Justice, put the other justices under house arrest and shut down the country’s independent television stations. While Musharraf announced that emergency law was necessary to contain the spread of extremism, his government’s crackdown on lawyers, human rights campaigners, judges and media made it clear that his real target was a civil society and a judiciary willing — and increasingly able — to challenge his power.
When asked about stepping down as army chief after today’s announcement, Musharraf repeated the presiding judge’s order not to announce the election results, and said that he would remove his uniform and take oath of office when the Supreme Court came to its decision. Never mind that a new Supreme Court has been hastily cobbled together from a gallery of judges willing to sign what amounts to an oath of allegiance to the government, while more than half of the original court languish under house arrest.
Bhutto, exhibiting a newly discovered resolve vis-à-vis Musharraf, with whom she had hoped to reach a power-sharing deal, declared his announcement insufficient, and demanded that he remove his uniform immediately. She said Musharraf should release the original judges and let “the real Supreme Court” decide on his legitimacy. “We will accept the decision of that Supreme Court, which will be constitutional and includes those judges who are detained,” she said. Up until now, Bhutto has avoided all references to Pakistan’s judiciary, focusing instead on elections and a call for civilian rule.
Some critics point out that Bhutto, who was awaiting a ruling on the constitutionality of an amnesty bill that would have absolved her from longstanding corruption charges, would have been perfectly content with Musharraf’s more docile Supreme Court 2.0. But the people of Pakistan have grown to love their independent judiciary. Protests against Musharraf’s emergency rule have been dominated by the country’s black-suited lawyers, who have garnered immense respect for their tireless campaign for rule of law and a civilian President. Bhutto, it seems, has been forced to respond to the demands of her people over pursuing her own interests. Musharraf may have announced elections, but Bhutto is starting to understand democracy.