what will become of Pakistan? whats like ”happiness” in the life of Pakistanis? that we win an ODI from india, alright yeah, even that is snatched, we have no right to b happy, we simply dont deserve it, we dont deserve Pakistan
mein kis k naam pukaroon kya kya alam guzar rahe hain
meray shehar jal rahay hain meray log mar rahe hain
koi ghuncha ho k gul ho, koi shaakh ho ya shajar ho
woh hawa-e-gulistan hai k sab hi bikhar rahe hain
“Happiness” in the life of Pakistani’s is buying the most expensive Nokia cellphone you can’t afford but can borrow enough to buy it.
“Happiness” is knowing every cellphone makers’ cellphone models and their features by heart.
“Happiness” is spending more on your phone bill than on your groceries.
“Happiness” is knowing every Premier League and UEFA football team’s roster
“Happiness” is watching the same third-rate Indian movie on cable more than a 100 times.
“Happiness” is …
Oh, don’t get me started!
it shows that he is planning to quit as army chief and doesnt trust the next coming army chief….
cause next chief may lift emergency without his consent..
Read this article and decide that people from our respectable institution i.e Armed forces, are applying their resources not for homeland security and measures to eliminate terrorism but to resolve their family matters.
This is another game now – because Musharraf knows that if he has to give up COAS post and is able to retain President post then he would have the authoritiy to end emergency which he can keep it as long as he likes especially if Supreme Court rules that he can be president for next five years .
A last desperate attempt by the despot and his legal advisors.
I think Mush will transfer all powers of COAS to president (in view of his future plans) and most interesting thing will be some one else becoming president
Indeed there was discussion on Dr. shahid massod program and that next COAS can not lift emergency and either that act needs to be approved by NA (like zia’s 8th amendment) or person abrogating law must be treated under law.
yaar, what law? you think if the next coas doesn’t like emergency, he wouldnt lift it because of PCO? He’ll bring forward his PPCO to do that. Pakistan uske piyo ki jageer jo hui.
1 – President also wants senate chairmanship so in case he is not in country or something happens to him, chairman senate will be the president.
2 – The most serious name under consideration for caretaker PM is Pervaiz Musharraf who can be neutral for all parties, to ensure free and fair elections
AJ:
this is exactly the main problem and whoever comes will ultimately needs some sort of legitimation. amendments with sharif pirzada has been the most successful tool.
“Several senior officials said that with each day that passed, more of their colleagues were coming around to the belief that Gen Musharraf’s days in power were numbered, the New York Times reported.”
This amendment was actually suggested by Sharifuddin Prizada
I truly believe that instead of going after Musharraf we should go after these guys who are his advisors because they are real culprits. So when the next goverment comes and there should be a open public trial under Article 6 of the following
1. Tariq Aziz
2. Chief Justice lota Dogar
3. Sharifuddin Pirzada
4. Justice (disgraced) Qayyum
5. Chaudhry Pervez Elahi
6. Shaukat Aziz
7. Arbab Rahim
8. Governer Ibad
Unitl and unless this is not done – these things would be repeated again and again. So they have to be given a lesson so that no one in future dares to coperate with army generals when they overthrow the goverment
Sharifuddin Pirzada should have his name in Guniness Book of Records for writing maximum PCOs in teh whole world
He should be given Nishan Haider, Pride of peformance, Nobel Prize, Nishan Pakistan for his outstanding achievement of dismantling Pakistan which his boss Quaid-1-Azam made
Jinnah was true when he had said – meray jaib mein saray sikay khothay niklay
Its time for fun now, coz everybody is busy in securing his seat………
wah mairey maula……..
The real drama will begin when new COAS would abide by the Law just like Mush
THE White House is trying to distance itself from President Pervez Musharraf and build connections to other Pakistanis, fearing he could soon fall from power.
The US embassy had stepped up meetings with opposition and pro-democracy leaders, military officers and other influential figures, diplomats said.
Increasingly, “the general view is that we’re in the endgame”, said Marvin Weinbaum, who monitors US policy towards Pakistan at the Middle East Institute in Washington.
The shift in US tactics comes amid suggestions that opposition figures are moving towards forging an alliance against General Musharraf. Raja Zafar-ul Haq, a top official in former prime minister Nawaz Sharif’s party, said yesterday that Mr Sharif and his long-time rival Benazir Bhutto spoke by telephone on Wednesday and were ready to bury their differences for a “joint struggle” to oust General Musharraf.
the things in Pakistan are much worst than what we can see on the media….
i spoke to a friend in Pakistan who was a staunch supporter of Mush until a few years ago…..he was so depressed and bitter and kept on saying only one thing ….. ‘Yar i wish Mush was dead’….
sad that it has come to this for Pakistanies back home that the only way they say Mush go is if he is dead?
Being abroad i feel depressed when i see images on TV and the jokers making mockery of my homeland….those in Pakistan who have to face it day in day out..its much worse for them.
BUT ….Mush will go very soon now…in days not weeks…. and ‘chaman main baharain ain gee’
All the top leaders are really scared of IKs popularity in youth.
They know its all about wave, once it would start it will never stop & IK will emerge as a new leader acceptable to all means both left & right wing
I agree. But i am also surprised at how naive all other pilotical leaders have been in guaging IKs popularity in youth. IK has always been extremely popular in the youth. He has been and continue to be a role model for a lot of youngsters, and rightfully so. He deserves this. We are all proud that IK is a Pakistani.
I would pray that won’t hurt our real modern day thinker & worker.
I really proud of him, his fighting with the traditional politicians(goons).
Allah usey lambi umar ata karey & usey sehat aur himmat dey. (Ameen)
Just fuck off jamiat just shut up u lotas.They send our leader in jail & now they show their sympathizes.We will see how many seats u can win.
Imran can not see your faces,he was betrayed by their beard evil faces.
U did this thing with an gentleman what happen in Karachi by mqm.Vahan tumhari pathti hai.
When you look at someone like IK, you gotta say that he’s someone who has always got Allah’s help. Look at the adversaries and challenges he has faced and emerged victorious. He was told he cannot play for Pakistan as he is a below average cricketer in the 70s. He then represented Paskistan. Then he was told he cannot be the Captain at all as he lacks leadership skills. He captained Pakistan after that claim. Then in 83 he was written off as a fast bowler after an injury. He took a break and changed his action. He was told not to do so as no fast bowler in history has changed his action and could retain effectiveness and pace. The rest is history . Then he said we’ll win the world cup in 92. His own family said he has gone crazy. The world saw us as world champions. In between we saw him planning the cancer hospital. Everyone told him it cannot be achieved. First, he cannot build it. And if he somehow can build it he cannot run it. The world saw he built it and it is one of the best cancer hospitals in the world.
Then he announced he wants to get into politics. People made fun of him. People discouraged him. Today many say he is our only hope.
So rest assured, this is one Lion of Pakistan who will never quit. He’ll make us proud once again.
Its clear from the events that unfolded right after the sharmnak behaviour with IK, that all the traditional politicians are scared of the New Leader from working class.
I read somewhere BB quoted that I was paying the tuitio fee by myself istead of being on scholarship like IK(superiority complex, Jaaghirdana andaze biyyan)
‘I read somewhere BB quoted that I was paying the tuition fee by myself instead of being on scholarship like IK’
I wonder what was her source of income as a student. The lady used to drive a Porche to Oxford .
IK has been a real gentleman politician I must say. Politics is a dirty game and IK has some interesting knowledge about BB and her crush on Majid Khan. He has never commented on all this and other stuff about BB and her life at Oxford.
@Farhan, Asif,
I am sure they knew how popular IK was among the youths. I also have a feeling that they wanted to tone him down so that their so-called popularity would not be impacted. Remember, it was IK who first stood up and took on MQM when his party workers were shot. No one has openly (and justly) criticized Mush and his cronies the way he did.
If I am a worker of a large party (PML-N, PPP) and I see that here is a leader of a smaller party who openly takes a stand against a terrorist party when his workers are shot and even though no one was killed, he still decides to pursue the case. What kind of message would it convey to those workers of so-called large parties whose colleagues were killed and no one did anything.
This is all bloody power politics.
I agree bro. I am not mistaken or getting excited about this fact. I just know that IK is one leader we should look up to as he deserves a chance. As for elections, I am not saying he’ll become PM or something. But he’ll definitely bring a change, and thats what his goal is.
Thatswhy we love IK, he goes for justice.
Because injustice is the root-cause of all the problems.
So he promotes Justice & he was the first one who voiced for the restoration of Judiciary, while rest of all just followed him. So hes really driving the political tycoons, I simply love that……….
And a lot of people I believe don’t even realise, IK’s party is known as Tehreek-e-Insaaf which he founded a decade ago .He is the only politician who decided from the get go that the only solution to every problem starts from having rule of law.
Its not about seats, read the above comments by me, how the political tycoons are forced to fight for justice, willingly or unwillingly. So hes the check on political parties thatswhy we love IK.
Now everyone talks of justice, previously people know the decision of the case even before the case is filed.
Now we know what happens when martial-law is imposed, how a common man is affected. He created the awareness among us & I am thankful of him for this.
Persident Pervez Musharaf is Pakistan’s saviour. God bless him for his service.Now he should leave.
I’m not gonna use my ghetto language since nobody is comparing me to Ali G and calling me ISI. Imran sucks. He can’t cooperate with Mian Nawaz Shareef or Benazair Bhutto. Imran cheatd Main Nawaz Shareef on sep 10 and didn’t dare to come out and support Benazair Bhutto.
right on spot. tu ney aatey saath hi us ki baja dee…….
Mentaly-distorded logon ka ilaj sirf ek hi hai just ignor them.
Its the biggest punishment thru which Mush is passing nowadays.
I wonder how old is khurram. can you tell us your age buddy? ’cause guaging from your posts since yesterday, your IQ seems no more than of a 10 year old.
@Khuram
You are entitled to your opinion, whether we agree or not. NS is a glory hog. After the SC gave its decision in July that he could come to Pakistan any time, we wanted to have the same multi-million-man reception as CJP got (when he was going places between March and July) and instead of flying to Pakistan sooner, he gave more than ample time to the government to pre-empt his plans. IK was present at the airport but none of the PML-N worker showed up at the airport.
Guys its time for break n fun……..
Kurram jao Mush ki maalish waalish karo us k chehrey ka rung ura ura sa hai. usey hum sey zaida tumhari zaroorat hai.
Jao shabash parey bachey zid nahin kartey…….
yaar gaon main ek banda hota jis ka kaam her haal main entertain karna hota hai, usey miraasi kehtey hain.
Ab I don’t know k US main miraasi ko kya kehtey hain
Someone help me out………..
What is the use of using abusive language? Supprot whom you like but please don’t fight!
If there is nothing positive to share then don’t write…
No leader or person is perfect, almost everyone made some mistakes or their acts look mistakes to us. However, it is not of much use to fight for personalities!
Personally, i feel that best thing which is useful for all is that we correct ourselves, think positively, act positively… If we can do it then we can do all otherwise things will remain complicated…
Pakistan needs unity, pateince and braveness and not opposite, i feel.
We should not discriminate…Khuram has right to chose his way and others too…It is impossible that people agree on absolute one point, so there is no other option excpet we tolerate each other. We can talk on reasons of of our likes and dislikes but we can’t force anyone.
Yes, do criticise each other but personal hits at the end don’t bring something positive, we just lose energy and direction in this process…
need link to any sites with anti-Mush anti-emergency banners, we are having a protest today and i need some good slogans, the site i had is not working any more http://www.cspfp.search.org.pk/. urgent please
WOW MAN U PEOPLE DO HAVE LOT OF TIME…LOOK AT ALL THESE RESPONSES no wonder why Pakistan is still light years behind developing nations …TELL U WHAT Y DONT U ALL GO AND DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE WITH UR TIME and if u do wanna protest go on streets leaving messages on websites while sitting on ur a*&$ and cursing other people will not do any good..
Admin you had put some comments on moderation but how come you are allowing some people who have lost all the decent ways of putting their point of view to use abusive language. You should moderate their comments also and remove them from board
Right on target. Thats their old method of face-saving. Hes no more than that. Has he played any role in bringing up the awareness in masses?
They are always with establishment to secure some seats & make money by giving them the constitutional protect to their illegal acts.
They paid bunch of Mullas nothing else. They cannot think beyond themselves.
This just one picture to explain why Musharraf should not be in power. Please do not close your eyes and leave your responsibilities by ignoring the facts.
Real face of MQM (Made by Dictator for his own agenda)
They are Government and they are “Supposed� to protect/own the law. They are Mush’s Beloved party and key alliance in government. Shame on You Musharraf.
This is what he has given us in his 8 year of his rule in which he was given all the freedom to do whatever. What he has given us? Terrorists?
My question is if he is saying that he imposed Emergency because of the law and order situation, who is responsible for that? He had everything in his controll in the last 8 years. It means he has been proved himself as a failed dictator, and just making excuses to prolong his stay so that we can watch more shows like this. I feel more sad when sombody says give Mush more time. For What? What has he done to build our image as nation in his rule and why he needs more time????
Eerie resemblances in Pakistan’s dilemma http://services.inquirer.net/print/print.php?article_id=101188
Americans have a funny term for it: “separated at birth.� The resemblances are so uncanny that the Philippines can certainly sympathize with a Pakistan forced to choose between a dictator who says he declared martial law in order to save democracy, and a democratic opposition slowly rallying around a woman leader, daughter of a former president and married to a polo playing husband linked to almost every corruption scandal while she was prime minister.
Mr Khan, 55, leader of the small Tehrik-in-Insaaf (Justice) party and an outspoken critic of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, was taken under heavy guard to the Kot Lakhpat jail on the outskirts of Lahore.
The move came as Attorney-General Malik Mohammad Qayyum announced last night General Musharraf would stand down as army chief before December 1.
General Musharraf and other officials had said he would wait for the Supreme Court to rule on the legality of his October 6 re-election as president before quitting the army.
Kot Lakhpat has for decades been one of Pakistan’s most feared jails and has frequently been used by military rulers to imprison their opponents. It was where former prime minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, father of opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, was incarcerated after he was overthrown by General Mohammed Zia-ul Haq.
suna hai imran khan ki kafi thukaai ki hai islami jamiat talba ney. sorry but imran have to pay because he is getting more CHANDA and qurbani ki KHAALAIN much more then jamiat.
@nota:
In the link that you have mentioned above, I see the following statement from BB:
“I am talking to the other opposition parties to find out whether they are in a position to come together,” she said from her home in Lahore.
It is interesting that neither BB nor NS are in any hurry in taking any drastic steps to counter Mush.
Just when you think americans might be getting some sense (see “US ‘looking beyond’ Musharraf’s leadership” and “Knives out for Musharraf as US loosens ties” linked earlier) out comes this sh*t:
US hedges its bets on Musharraf http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7093891.stm
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US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte is being sent to Pakistan later this week to try to defuse the crisis.
Yet, officials carry on issuing measured responses to the events in Pakistan, even arguing for patience towards the country’s military ruler.
“It’s a real fine dance,” says George Perkovich, a South Asia expert with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
In the coming days if it looks like Gen Musharraf is on his way out, the administration will distance itself from him – but if they feel he’s got another life they will try not to alienate him, he says.
“They will not take a firm position one way or another. It will be wishy-washy,” Mr Perkovich says.
Uncertainty
Analysts say Washington does not want to be in a situation where it walks away from Gen Musharraf and yet he holds on to power for, say, another nine months.
“What happens during that period if Washington still has to deal with him. It’s going to be a really ugly time,” says Daniel Markey, who until recently served on the state department’s policy planning staff.
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Marvin Weinbaum, former Pakistan analyst at the state department, says he would be amazed if the process hadn’t already begun.
“It’s almost inevitable that the military will come to the conclusion that Musharraf can’t be part of the new formula if normalcy has to be restored,” he says.
People’s will
In fact, over the past week, the administration’s emphasis has been more on the “will” of Pakistani people than the commitment to stand by Gen Musharraf.
@Amir Hameed
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Why doesn’t NS send Kulsoom or SS to Pakistan? So, what if they get arrested like the thousands of other.
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Thanks for reminding me…Wasn’t Kulsoom talking tough saying she will be here in a couple of days when NS was deported. Later she changed it to “I will first go to UAE and be there in a few days.” That was then followed by “I will be there right after Ramazan.” Maybe now she is waiting for Muharram to pass…
The problem is that they are not bold enough to take the right decisions at right time.
And our traditional politician is still not upto the mark at current pace of life. They will suffer, In Pakistan Electronic media has bring the people answerable to common man. They still have to face it once media & they are back in active politics.
Kot lakh put jail ,actually produces real leader . Now inshallah after king khan will appear from that well known jail ,be a bigest leader of all of those fake poiltician . point to be noted here is every fake leader , raising voice for emergency is out of jail and just facing very minor detanations .. only Imran khan and his party is being treated very badly . so unfortunately we should conclude that we have only one real and true voice for pakistan and all other are just waiting to increase their ” price” in this cahos . kia hur koi apni boli barhanay kay liay fake jaloos nikal rahay hain …
jeo Imran .
My point is that these so-called leaders are sitting in their palaces while others are facing the brunt in the country. These are opportunists who just want to become heads of the state or province without any personal sacrifices.
Take a look at the PML-N’s oficial web site: http://www.pmln.org.pk/
There is a big heading titled “Nawaz welcomes Benazir’s statement”
But there is no condemnation on the way IK was treated and arrested. Mind you that NS owes most of his recent popularity to IK as it was the latter who kept insisting him to go to Pakistan after the SC verdict and NS became popular only after the deportation event.
Now why would BBC feature him on top of the page (covering the whole screen)? Scroll down and you see no one else supports that view. Certainly Asma Jehangir belonged at the top…
@Amir Hameed on November 15th, 2007 5:47 pm My point is that these so-called leaders are sitting in their palaces while others are facing the brunt in the country. These are opportunists who just want to become heads of the state or province without any personal sacrifices.
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But now their is a new court(Electronic Media) with Youtube is in place, tracking their each & every move & bringing them to the board. So this court never pends the cases, thatswhy they have to prepare their cases within limited amount of time. I love this new check on the people who govern the country.
Though very disturbing, anything can be expected from our intelligence agencies. Have a look at this link. Might give you the reason why the families of politicians and judiciary are arrested even though, they have nothing to do with politics
@Asif
Please don’t trust the media so much. You will see it get worst and worst as time goes by. Once it gets big, it can’t afford people like Dr. Shahid Masood or Talat Hussain speaking so freely. I had quoted a few people a few days earlier but I will repeat them as I think they are worth repeating:
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. ”
– Noam Chomsky
“News is what someone, somewhere is trying to suppress, the rest is just advertising”
– Lord Northcliffe, British Press Baron
and remember:
“TO SEE WHAT IS IN FRONT OF ONE’S NOSE REQUIRES A CONSTANT STRUGGLE.”
– George Orwell, 1946
I understand your concern, but the time is over when TV channels were used to show what owners(Gov) want. Its time when TV channels are forced to show what public want to see to generate the revenue. Its very tricky business now.
Did you guys see the clips pf PTI protest in lahore? IK’s sisters were alos protesting. Look at the way police arrested them. Male police officers manhandled IK’s sisters and other ladies. It clearly shows 2 male police officers grabbing IK’s sisters and other women. Its VERY VERY shameful.
Did you guys see the clips pf PTI protest in lahore? IK’s sisters were alos protesting. Look at the way police arrested them. Male police officers manhandled IK’s sisters and other ladies. It clearly shows 2 male police officers grabbing IK’s sisters and other women. Its very very shameful.
Did you guys see the clips of pti protest in lahore? IK’s sisters were also protesting. Look at the way police arrested them. Male police officers manhandled IK’s sisters and other ladies. It clearly shows 2 male police officers grabbing IK’s sisters and other women. Its very very shameful.
Guess whose is the world’s foremost expert in “institutionalizing repression by intelligence agencies”? if you guessed John Negroponte, you would be 100% correct.
Guess whose is the world’s foremost expert in “institutionalizing repression by intelligence agencies�? if you guessed John Negroponte, you would be 100% correct.
Did you guys see the clips of pti protest in lahore? IK’s sis were also protesting. Look at the way police arrested them. Male police officers manhandled IK’s sisters and other ladies. It clearly shows 2 male police officers grabbing IK’s sis and other women. Its very very shameful.
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Jew +
….Negroponte diplomatic responsibilities were appalling. Democracy and human rights are not on Negroponte preferred menu. Negroponte will be serving the interests of U.S. tyranny and U.S. Corporations in Iraq. Negroponte will bring to Iraq the economic disasters inflicted on the people of Latin America by the U.S. and U.S-backed corporations. Negroponte is not suitable to serve in the current political environment of Iraq.
I request all students in pakistan that take courage from punjab university anti-IJT students.Throw outside, from each university and college of pakistan, these IJT munafics.Remember these are secret agents of pak army and ISI. Keep yourself distance from them.They killed many inocent students for their supermacy.
i check this web site and speically this forum thousand of time every day just in a hope that some one might break the breaking news ,i visit here in a hope to read a post which says “Breaking news:its all over geo is reporting the Mush criminal has been taken to arrest by kyani…Mush will be persecuted by article 6 of the constituition ,,”
im loosing my patience now …i want to see some news like that asap….
I want to shift your consideration to the main problem of Pakistan. In my personal opinion, no action or reaction will change the lives and standard of living of Pakistani people until we make some measures to restore 70% of the people of Pakistan, who are being occupied by the Waderaas and Landlords since Pakistan came into being. I think for a real democracy these people need to be educated and rehabilitated in new towns or cities otherwise they will still live like slaves under these Landlords. If you see the democratic governments and the people who constituted the National Assembly, you will find that, these are the same families with different names ruling since 1960. For a real democratic movement, it is also required to make those 70% people independent and make them educated. Education as far as i am concerned does not mean to do bachelor or master or PhD. They need to be educated in terms of their rights, social and human values. 30% of the population who live in cities can not do anything alone. In my opinion, you will soon see these Landlords back in government after getting votes from their slaves and help Musharraf.
There are numerous rumors taking rounds in Islamabad. One of them is that General might soon be guest of saudi kings. As expected United States have refused to grant him asylum. Negroponte visit might be in this regard.
This is a lecture form Dr Israr ahmed in my view everyone should listen this at least once.One should know how many peoples given the sacrifice for this country and now what we are doing with the country for which we have given so many lives, how many of out forefathers suffered for this country.
@Hassan aka Mr. Altaf Hussein, good evening, how are you doing. You educated the whole of Karachi and they are now fuuly aware of their right to kill anybody whom they don’t like. Let us educate the remaining 70% of the Pakistan we will then have country which will control the problem of population in a miraculous way….
Whenever somebody brings the question of education in democracy , I just can’t help smiling when I see that the perhaps the most educated city of Pakistan “elects” MQM goons as their members then I feel happy that so-called “uneducated” , “illeterates” at least choose likes of Wasi Zafars, Sher Afgans who can at least provide some entertainment.
Educatin should be right, one that teaches you morality. Otherwise Qyyum Malik and Sher Afgan are educated as well.
MQM and Jamiat thrive on victim mentality. They target disillusioned youth and tell them everyone is against them and they need to wake up. This makes these people violent as well.
That is why JI always had most seats in Karachi.Later MQM told them that they were bigger victim than what JI told them. Even now whenver MQM boycotts elections JI wins in Karachi, not PPP or PML.
Our traditional Matric FA is not an education. Most of the people of MQM get their supporters through exam with a TT on the exam table. Cheating is openly encouraged.
Liberal syllabus is required that doesn’t tell you that you are a victim and asks you to bring change, not become violent and believe in peaceful resistance. That is what Imran Khan is doing and these people are scared.
Stupid Chauhdaries of Gujrat and MQM are leading from the front to destroy Pakistan. Both these can go to any length(even can sell Pakistan)to have control, money and luxuries. They can’t see beyond their personal interests. I am really really sad when i see personal criminals of Gujratis misbehave with educated people including women. It is shame for us that such dirt is present in our society. But you know those dirty people even can’t feel what they are doing. They are dead mentally.
A big plan is being worked out and Mr. Ponte is also coming to increase this fire, they can never see a peaceful Pakistan. Some one is pumping Chauhdries and MQM to go for all to burn Pakistan, this is best moment. Both MQM and Chauhdaries worked for years to reach this status of dawns(Gundas) and now they are showing their level but these are their last tactics INSHALLAH.
A tough time for us. We need to be very very careful, very alert, very united and patient. Remain peaceful but brave and determinent, please. TRUTH is not created to be defeated. IT WILL WIN INSHALLAH. Be active and positive. May Allah guide and help us. Aamin.
My uncle was only Matric pass and used to read Pakistan Times and Dawn. My brother is MA pass and he reads Jang & Epress.
People from Karachi have seen a biggest slump in education standards in last 25 years becuase MQM made every third Mohajir guy either a fugitive or got him in jail. Rest of them were going for daily protests and were passing exams with cheating.
Injustic is the roo-cause of our all problems. And both in cities & villages as well powerful people never voice for justice but contrlled-democracy.
The only solution is to voice for Justice.
Imran Khan has support of educated liberal youth. He should start a 100% literacy campaign in at least 5 cities at first. This campaign should teach people traditional education and also Politics such as the downside of dictatorship and tell them how India is benefiting from democracy.
This right education will benefit Pakistan a lot and will prepare a pressure group of at least 10 million Pakistanis in next 5 years. These people could be our real safe guard of democracy.
I am an avid BB supporter, but feel very sorry for Imran Khan who is a valiant and principled opponent of Musharraf (and hence a valuable ally for the PPP)…do you think he will be subjected to torture or sleep deprivation in Lakhpat Jail?
Mush shooted his own foot when he decided to for next five year term from the outgoing assembly, otherwise there were very bright chances for him to be Pres. & bb to be PM.
Thank God his proactive measure went upside down.
“It’s almost inevitable that the military will come to the conclusion that Musharraf can’t be part of the new formula if normalcy has to be restored,” he says.
Justics,health and education are three things which build the nation into developed nation as from feedback of these three things defense become strong.While Military, weapons and secret agencies weak the nation.
@kami,
Though I agree with you about the importance of education specially with the awareness about the fundamental rights as well as democratic and liberal values. However I come from remote district (Dera Ghazi Khan where perhaps king khan is today) , I have met numerous uneducated peasants and workmen there and surprisingly I feel that most of those adults have a lot more understanding of their rights and intellect as compared to people in Islamabad where I spent 10 years. In the days of Gen Zia I found that those illeterates always opposed dictatorship. Only issue that hinders them to express their will is lack of rule of law. That’s what CJ was doing, he was somehow giving them courage to stand up and express their will without fear. What this judiciary was doing was something revolutionary, if these judges had remained in their office in two years we would have definitely seen a revolution.
If you have seen video of women including IK’s sister’s protest… I saw it again on Geo and believe me this brutality will certainly brings end of dictatorship and the system the produces such dictators. I am convinced.
Public opinion keeps in check the public servants & Government. And in Pakistans history it become visible 1st time by the compition in private news channels. It forced/encouraged the Judges to give rulings as per public opinion.
Then someone brought this thing into the knowledge of Mush, who banned all those things responsible for Public Opinions Visiblity. But that was too late.
I agree with you (actually my point was also to keep balance between them which i have not mentioned) see russia,iraq……they spend money in a foolish way on militray but at the end they got nothing but on other hand see present example of china which take care of health,justics and education and also defence in a balanced way.Now all these things are helping china.
Good article. History tells us that Musharraf will be deumped by the US. The top Pak army elite knows that Musharraf is becoming a liability and they are just waiting for the signal from the US.
US will abandon Musharraf sooner than later and in the end he will find no friends just like the Shah of Iran.
I agree with you. Thats what I meant too that educated people are not doing their part because they have been given traditional third class education.
Since education is necessary to compete first world, we need to start teaching democracy from primary. I was watching a documentary where in some countries primary kids vote and choose their leaders. They are taught the sanctity of vote in class. Thats what we need.
MQM and JI didn’t thrive on educated voters. It thrived on frustrated young people who were told that they were victims and the whole world is against them. This victim mentality and the ‘lectures’ to stand up and fight took them to the violence and dead end.
Imran Khan did not encourage violence. He may have suffered temporarily but positive change is brought by peaceful resistance.We have defeated Generals by our bare hands. We don’t want Kalashnikov culture.
‘Those who live by Sword (now TT), will be cut down by Sword’ (BIBLE)
I think it would have been better for the owners of AAJ TV to wait a bit because after dropping the popular talk shows they are reducing their viewership that would reslut in a decrease in Ads.
Not a good decision revenue point of view.
lets hope its something that GEO and ARY consider.
by the way pJ Mir interviwed shaukat aziz on ARY one world. he is the biggest chamcha on tv at the momement. all he did was agree and nod his head to all the bs coming out from aziz
can anybody give comments on:in past pak army many time forced the civilian governments to make an insitute which they named it as ‘National security council’ (that was ultimately founded by Mush) to stop martial law. why this ‘national security council’ has sttopped the Mush martial law now.
TV channels are adopting the same policy as BB. They will soon give Mush a hard time.
Mush is a lame duck and these ‘agreements’ are like NRO. If Mush can break Constitution, Channels will break this agreement of illegitimate government in a couple of weeks. Wait and see!
NSC was created to have balance inbetween President, Prime minister & COAS. And all the 3 title are virtually owned by Mush. And every organistaion have some rules of game which limits the abuse of power, same the case with NSC. But our Mush is voilent at the moment & he NSC limits its powers so he used the old fashioned style again.
I complete agree with T Babu – Musharraf one day would be looking to these very courts and journalists for help and if the judicary is not restored then his own corrupt judges would waste no time in condemning him.
His attempt at making Somoro as PM is that he should not take over as President if he is forced out. Musharraf is trying is best to cover all possible attacks on him and this way he would bring Somoro under him.
If any news channel agrees that it would not air any current affair program no one is going to watch them and their advertisements would be severely affected. I dont think they can take this chance and if they do then why should I pay for it
Shuakat aziz is being congratulated by every body in the govt….cabintet ,president for completing the tenure of assembly ,,,,,hahahaha i guess ending the tenure in the state of emergency,licking the president’s a$$ for all his term and looting billions is a fate that he sure deserves congratulations from the whole country..
what he really deserves is to have his face sprayed black and then sit on donkey and make a round of islamabad ..
Two Nations Theory
Minorities who rule Pakistan
Majorities who become bitter every day
Before another era of Sham Democracy
We need
A Civil War
In this civil war the foundations of new Pakistan should be laid down.
Let the sleepy villages of Punjab, Depressed haris of Sindh and slaughtered pious Pashtoons take revenge from
Shia Feudals, Westernized Librals and Treacherous Muhajirs.
You were partially right about MQM. I belong to Karachi and I know that MQM is exploiting those people (Muhajirs) who has suffered due to the Quota system, corruption, sectarism and the culture of negligence for Muhajirs. I am not a Muhajir but practically speaking Muhajirs are the most educated and cultured citizens of Pakistan. If you see Karachi, around 70% inhabitants are so-called Muhajirs but when you see at the Government offices and other opportunities of employment, you will find 60% Sindhies and 38% Punjabi’s and around 2% Muhajirs working there. Altaf Hussain had taken the advantage of the situation and used those unaccepted talented people in his party. He made them violent for his own interests like other parties did. In other words, you can say that Altaf Hussain has became the fudal Landlord of Karachi which is indeed wrong. But the opportunity was provided to him by the system which did not absorb those well-cultured, talented and educated youth. I dont want to raise the issue of sectarism politics.
I think that Pakistan has a lot other problems except independence of judiciary and media, which are indeed obligatory pillars of the nation. But these things does not affect common man. Common man needs social security, education, health and insurance, safe environment, basic human rights, Smooth traffic system, public friendly procedures etc.
We need a true and honest leader, but unfortunately our system is not capable to produce that.
By the way, I think Mushi should announce social security package for the common people to overcome the blunders he did. He can start with Rs.3500 per month, I think it does not cost him a lot although he is getting huge amount from USA.
Who says Imran Khan has no ground support, just saw the protest in PU, its something very very unusal who knows PU that how difficult is to go against JI in PU.
Soon PU would be free from the JI Goons…..
its written on the wall…….
It is shamful
That Play Boy, Pro Musharaf, Imran Khan
Turned
Patriot, Democrat,
wanted
Jamiat
To Accept him as student Massaya
Why
He did not join Lawyers when they were being butured in the streets of Lahore.
Imran Wants Leadership
At other’s expence.
We have done this experiment with Nawaz Sharif
It failed
Jamiat has no body to opologise to
Jamiat is not obliged to accept
The Play Boy Imran as their leader
Well Done
Young Lads
Qazi sahab should know very well that Jamiat is For Islam, Pakistan, Democracy and Muslim Ummah
Not necessarily for self imposed Imran Khan
U have cut your own feet, what we can do. Ab roney dhoney sey kuch nahin ho ga. Ab to JI girti huee diwaar hai……..
Afsos no one can help you out on this act………
There are many similarities between Jamiat and MQM that is why they hate each other.
Both preach a ‘philosophy’ and talk about a system where oppressed will become strong.
JI used to win most seats of Karachi. Now MQM does that. When MQM bycotted election in 2002, JI again won; not PML or PPP.
Jamiat leadership in Punjab belongs to Urdu speaking people MSOTLY.I noticed some guys in BBC video and realized that. I looked back all the people I knew in Punjab university. These people belonged to nice hardworking families but they were angry with their families for not doing enough for them and country.That is why they join such parties.
Jamiat leader often become JI leader. That is why JI is always in minority because it doesn’t have members from majority population in Punjab.
Both parties believe in some kind of retaliation/self defence which often turn into violence.
It is our fault as a socity. We should have assimilated these young people so that they were not looking for any ‘philosphy’ to get back at the society.
People in Pakistan
Deserve Musharaf
Because
They cannot distinguish between black and White
the question is why Imran imposed himself on PU
Why he could not go to Lawyers movement.
Sir ??????????
Imran
carries the dirt of his dark
British slavish syndrome
He is Out Cast
Along with at contaminated westernized soles in Pakistan
Imran is Man of Desires
Jamiat is Movement and sole of Pakistan
Now Go
wash your mind
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Who says I have Allah. No, no allah. That is only hypocrisy. I have you as my God. I only consider you as my God. A lot of my friends also think that only you are the God. We only and only think of you for all our problems…..all…..all our problems. AMERICA, YOU ARE GREAT, YOU REALLY ARE.
I want to tell you my problem. Please give me space. My accent.. not good… not like yours…it is tandoori one…but please…please put up with it while I tell you the wrong done to me in that horrible..horrible country I come from. Please help me. You will have to. Please don’t treat me like a dog. Please don’t treat me like a donkey. I know I may look like a donkey to you but I am not. I have dressed up to come to you, so you may look at me as a human and listen, then grant me my wishes.
You are white and pink. I am not pink. I am brown. But you think that I am black. I am not black. I am brown.
I am about to start telling you my story. Okay America. Ok. Weep Weep.. Sob Sob..
MR AKRAM SHEIKH’S SOB DEMANDS ABOUT TO START.
(Comin’ up!)
OUR STAFF REPORTER
LAHORE-Premier educational institutions in the City witnessed students rallies against the emergency and IJT’s manhandling and handing over of Imran Khan to the police.
The pick of these protests was seen in the Punjab University where thousands of students registered their protest against IJT for roughing up Imran Khan and later producing him before police.
A huge protest demo was staged by students at the Punjab University to condemn the arrest of cricket hero turned politician Imran Khan and the role of Islami Jamiat Tulaba in the whole situation.
There had been no call from any group or organisation for the protest staged as a mark of solidarity with Imran Khan and to condemn the IJT.
The protests began at 9:30 am when about 100 students gathered at the PU’s Law College.
The students both male and female formed a procession and moved to other departments. The whole university came alive in protest as the number of protesters swelled to thousands. They shouted slogans against IJT.
The angry students ransacked the IJT office in the Chemical Technology Department, IER and Geology Department (IJT’s main office).
According to some faculty members the protest was unprecedented. ‘There has never been such a protest in the last 25 years. Even the IJT could never stage such a big protest. This is also for the first time that any protest has been staged by someone else other than IJT. Being against IJT the protest comes as a surprise’, a faculty member said.
Generals never allow politicians an independent foreign policy.
They only allow and encourage them to do corruption so that they could be blackmailed later. This is the way to make governments later with likes of Q league and criminal MQM.
If choice was between two prime ministers I would choose a better man but here its not about personalities, its about system, you might see short term benefits under dictatorship but nations are made in centuries and democracies however incompetent is always a better coice in the long run.
Learn from North and South Korea, East and West Germany, Burma, Zimbabwe…and if we don’t change soon India and Pakistan, only difference is the system . Wakeup and look around you, not just talk shows and newspapers.
I am praying now a days more often then before for betterment for Pakistan, its future, peace and stability. ammen
Today i am very sad,IJT Gangsters misbahved with King Khan!Long Live Kig+sir Imran Khan you are our hero,and we salute you for your braveness
what will become of Pakistan? whats like ”happiness” in the life of Pakistanis? that we win an ODI from india, alright yeah, even that is snatched, we have no right to b happy, we simply dont deserve it, we dont deserve Pakistan
mein kis k naam pukaroon kya kya alam guzar rahe hain
meray shehar jal rahay hain meray log mar rahe hain
koi ghuncha ho k gul ho, koi shaakh ho ya shajar ho
woh hawa-e-gulistan hai k sab hi bikhar rahe hain
Geo just reprted:
PCO amended, COAS has given the authority to the President to lift emergency.
@farhan
What a joke:). mush is a real joker.
@ jojo
yeah bro. that he is for sure. : )
“Happiness” in the life of Pakistani’s is buying the most expensive Nokia cellphone you can’t afford but can borrow enough to buy it.
“Happiness” is knowing every cellphone makers’ cellphone models and their features by heart.
“Happiness” is spending more on your phone bill than on your groceries.
“Happiness” is knowing every Premier League and UEFA football team’s roster
“Happiness” is watching the same third-rate Indian movie on cable more than a 100 times.
“Happiness” is …
Oh, don’t get me started!
@farhan
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PCO amended, COAS has given the authority to the President to lift emergency.
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I honestly thought it was a joke. Man, was I wrong!
The COAS and the president have been having an urgent meeting at the president house
it shows that he is planning to quit as army chief and doesnt trust the next coming army chief….
cause next chief may lift emergency without his consent..
Read this article and decide that people from our respectable institution i.e Armed forces, are applying their resources not for homeland security and measures to eliminate terrorism but to resolve their family matters.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=1849
‘Book the doctor ordered’
Military Inc.: Inside Pakistan’s Military Economy (Paperback)
by Ayesha Siddiqa (Author)
check out some extracts from this book.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2091816,00.html#article_continue
“Judgement is Yours”
This is another game now – because Musharraf knows that if he has to give up COAS post and is able to retain President post then he would have the authoritiy to end emergency which he can keep it as long as he likes especially if Supreme Court rules that he can be president for next five years .
A last desperate attempt by the despot and his legal advisors.
He is now turning against his own woould be COAS.
Lets us see what more he does in days to come.
I think Mush will transfer all powers of COAS to president (in view of his future plans) and most interesting thing will be some one else becoming president
@AJ
After the meeting, th COAS and the President goes to same toilet simultaneoulsy.
Indeed there was discussion on Dr. shahid massod program and that next COAS can not lift emergency and either that act needs to be approved by NA (like zia’s 8th amendment) or person abrogating law must be treated under law.
@Ahmed Bhai
You read Mush like an open book. So basically he is saying give me the pResidency and I will lift the emergency.
yaar, what law? you think if the next coas doesn’t like emergency, he wouldnt lift it because of PCO? He’ll bring forward his PPCO to do that. Pakistan uske piyo ki jageer jo hui.
Unconfirmed news:
1 – President also wants senate chairmanship so in case he is not in country or something happens to him, chairman senate will be the president.
2 – The most serious name under consideration for caretaker PM is Pervaiz Musharraf who can be neutral for all parties, to ensure free and fair elections
AJ:
this is exactly the main problem and whoever comes will ultimately needs some sort of legitimation. amendments with sharif pirzada has been the most successful tool.
Somehow this 82 years old Sharif-ud-Din PirBaba should go home. He has been the writer of almost all the PCOs and LFOs right from Ayub.
PirBaba? I’d say keep the -zada at the end and change the other part
When will American admin accept it’s stupidity? The following is before the latest Emergency/COAS/Pres bull:
US ‘looking beyond’ Musharraf’s leadership
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/15/wpak215.xml
“Several senior officials said that with each day that passed, more of their colleagues were coming around to the belief that Gen Musharraf’s days in power were numbered, the New York Times reported.”
This amendment was actually suggested by Sharifuddin Prizada
I truly believe that instead of going after Musharraf we should go after these guys who are his advisors because they are real culprits. So when the next goverment comes and there should be a open public trial under Article 6 of the following
1. Tariq Aziz
2. Chief Justice lota Dogar
3. Sharifuddin Pirzada
4. Justice (disgraced) Qayyum
5. Chaudhry Pervez Elahi
6. Shaukat Aziz
7. Arbab Rahim
8. Governer Ibad
Unitl and unless this is not done – these things would be repeated again and again. So they have to be given a lesson so that no one in future dares to coperate with army generals when they overthrow the goverment
some prefix: Army, Mush, Haram, Qahar, General….
Sharifuddin Pirzada should have his name in Guniness Book of Records for writing maximum PCOs in teh whole world
He should be given Nishan Haider, Pride of peformance, Nobel Prize, Nishan Pakistan for his outstanding achievement of dismantling Pakistan which his boss Quaid-1-Azam made
Jinnah was true when he had said – meray jaib mein saray sikay khothay niklay
Geo: cabinet division issued the amendment notification.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv7YdFVe2Is
Please watch the video, Bol Ke Lab Aazad, Faiz Ahamd Faiz
Also please sign the protest and/or pledge at a website made by students for all Pakistanis
http://www.BoltaPakistan.com Please forward it to all you can to help spread the word. Thanks
Its time for fun now, coz everybody is busy in securing his seat………
wah mairey maula……..
The real drama will begin when new COAS would abide by the Law just like Mush
Geo Braking news:
Mush: Army will soon hit militants hard
Allah swat me logon ko apni aman me rekhey.
One hour left to legtimize the “Gund” of Mush
I heard AJ tv is back in Islamabad. does it mean talat hussain is out? can anyone confirm?
I think -zada worked not more than one year with Quaid, but he always dipicted himself as one of the stalwarts of tehreek-e-Azaadi.
Unfortunatley, He didn’t learn anything from Quaid and supported every dictator.
Geo: 17 jamiat members basic membership has been canceled and submission of apology what happened to IK and journalists. committee
all over from Qazi sh!!
I still have not seen any statement from NS on IK’s manhandling from IJT.
Knives out for Musharraf as US loosens ties
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/knives-out-for-musharraf-as-us-loosens-ties/2007/11/15/1194766868463.html
THE White House is trying to distance itself from President Pervez Musharraf and build connections to other Pakistanis, fearing he could soon fall from power.
The US embassy had stepped up meetings with opposition and pro-democracy leaders, military officers and other influential figures, diplomats said.
Increasingly, “the general view is that we’re in the endgame”, said Marvin Weinbaum, who monitors US policy towards Pakistan at the Middle East Institute in Washington.
The shift in US tactics comes amid suggestions that opposition figures are moving towards forging an alliance against General Musharraf. Raja Zafar-ul Haq, a top official in former prime minister Nawaz Sharif’s party, said yesterday that Mr Sharif and his long-time rival Benazir Bhutto spoke by telephone on Wednesday and were ready to bury their differences for a “joint struggle” to oust General Musharraf.
the things in Pakistan are much worst than what we can see on the media….
i spoke to a friend in Pakistan who was a staunch supporter of Mush until a few years ago…..he was so depressed and bitter and kept on saying only one thing ….. ‘Yar i wish Mush was dead’….
sad that it has come to this for Pakistanies back home that the only way they say Mush go is if he is dead?
Being abroad i feel depressed when i see images on TV and the jokers making mockery of my homeland….those in Pakistan who have to face it day in day out..its much worse for them.
BUT ….Mush will go very soon now…in days not weeks…. and ‘chaman main baharain ain gee’
@Amir Hameed
All the top leaders are really scared of IKs popularity in youth.
They know its all about wave, once it would start it will never stop & IK will emerge as a new leader acceptable to all means both left & right wing
@ Asif
I agree. But i am also surprised at how naive all other pilotical leaders have been in guaging IKs popularity in youth. IK has always been extremely popular in the youth. He has been and continue to be a role model for a lot of youngsters, and rightfully so. He deserves this. We are all proud that IK is a Pakistani.
@farhan
I would pray that won’t hurt our real modern day thinker & worker.
I really proud of him, his fighting with the traditional politicians(goons).
Allah usey lambi umar ata karey & usey sehat aur himmat dey. (Ameen)
Geo: 17 jamiat members basic membership has been canceled and submission of apology what happened to IK and journalists. committee
So a crowd of 500 students couldn’t stop 17 lafange?
Just fuck off jamiat just shut up u lotas.They send our leader in jail & now they show their sympathizes.We will see how many seats u can win.
Imran can not see your faces,he was betrayed by their beard evil faces.
U did this thing with an gentleman what happen in Karachi by mqm.Vahan tumhari pathti hai.
JI is putting salt on the wounds of IK & all of us. You know, Khanapuri, Nothing else
The REAL CRIMINALS ARE:
Chaudry bros, Malik Qayuum, S. Rahsid, Sher Afgan.
The old Face-saving tactics & in underground laguage, rangbaazi.
@ Asif
When you look at someone like IK, you gotta say that he’s someone who has always got Allah’s help. Look at the adversaries and challenges he has faced and emerged victorious. He was told he cannot play for Pakistan as he is a below average cricketer in the 70s. He then represented Paskistan. Then he was told he cannot be the Captain at all as he lacks leadership skills. He captained Pakistan after that claim. Then in 83 he was written off as a fast bowler after an injury. He took a break and changed his action. He was told not to do so as no fast bowler in history has changed his action and could retain effectiveness and pace. The rest is history
. Then he said we’ll win the world cup in 92. His own family said he has gone crazy. The world saw us as world champions. In between we saw him planning the cancer hospital. Everyone told him it cannot be achieved. First, he cannot build it. And if he somehow can build it he cannot run it. The world saw he built it and it is one of the best cancer hospitals in the world.
Then he announced he wants to get into politics. People made fun of him. People discouraged him. Today many say he is our only hope.
So rest assured, this is one Lion of Pakistan who will never quit. He’ll make us proud once again.
Its clear from the events that unfolded right after the sharmnak behaviour with IK, that all the traditional politicians are scared of the New Leader from working class.
I read somewhere BB quoted that I was paying the tuitio fee by myself istead of being on scholarship like IK(superiority complex, Jaaghirdana andaze biyyan)
@ Asif
‘I read somewhere BB quoted that I was paying the tuition fee by myself instead of being on scholarship like IK’
I wonder what was her source of income as a student. The lady used to drive a Porche to Oxford
.
IK has been a real gentleman politician I must say. Politics is a dirty game and IK has some interesting knowledge about BB and her crush on Majid Khan. He has never commented on all this and other stuff about BB and her life at Oxford.
@Farhan, Asif,
I am sure they knew how popular IK was among the youths. I also have a feeling that they wanted to tone him down so that their so-called popularity would not be impacted. Remember, it was IK who first stood up and took on MQM when his party workers were shot. No one has openly (and justly) criticized Mush and his cronies the way he did.
If I am a worker of a large party (PML-N, PPP) and I see that here is a leader of a smaller party who openly takes a stand against a terrorist party when his workers are shot and even though no one was killed, he still decides to pursue the case. What kind of message would it convey to those workers of so-called large parties whose colleagues were killed and no one did anything.
This is all bloody power politics.
Before all the IK supporters get too excited, we must wait till election and see how many seats he secures………Last time he only won one seat……..
@ Shahid
I agree bro. I am not mistaken or getting excited about this fact. I just know that IK is one leader we should look up to as he deserves a chance. As for elections, I am not saying he’ll become PM or something. But he’ll definitely bring a change, and thats what his goal is.
BB-NS-IK alliance with the small parties is the small way.
JI, JUI and all Mullah Munafiqs must be sidelined.
Thatswhy we love IK, he goes for justice.
Because injustice is the root-cause of all the problems.
So he promotes Justice & he was the first one who voiced for the restoration of Judiciary, while rest of all just followed him. So hes really driving the political tycoons, I simply love that……….
@ Asif
And a lot of people I believe don’t even realise, IK’s party is known as Tehreek-e-Insaaf which he founded a decade ago
.He is the only politician who decided from the get go that the only solution to every problem starts from having rule of law.
@Shahid
Its not about seats, read the above comments by me, how the political tycoons are forced to fight for justice, willingly or unwillingly. So hes the check on political parties thatswhy we love IK.
Now everyone talks of justice, previously people know the decision of the case even before the case is filed.
Now we know what happens when martial-law is imposed, how a common man is affected. He created the awareness among us & I am thankful of him for this.
Everyone, look at Geo. Dictator is on addressing a group of ppl.
any body tell me can i see live match between Pak and india now please response
Musharraf is not accpetable with or without uniform.
We dont want to see him in govt. office in any capacity.
Malik Qayumm is the worst AG ever.
Persident Pervez Musharaf is Pakistan’s saviour. God bless him for his service.Now he should leave.
I’m not gonna use my ghetto language since nobody is comparing me to Ali G and calling me ISI. Imran sucks. He can’t cooperate with Mian Nawaz Shareef or Benazair Bhutto. Imran cheatd Main Nawaz Shareef on sep 10 and didn’t dare to come out and support Benazair Bhutto.
Mush’s press conference
This man has nerves.
He still talks about constitution and Pakistan First.
abey yaar Khurram. Tu phir aa gaya. Alright guys, whos taking him on today
It seemz to be one of the halls of big president palace…
Oh you guys say that Musharaf takes Pakistan as his jageer and now you guys take this website as your jageer.
@farhan
right on spot. tu ney aatey saath hi us ki baja dee…….
Mentaly-distorded logon ka ilaj sirf ek hi hai just ignor them.
Its the biggest punishment thru which Mush is passing nowadays.
@Khuram
Pappu yaar, tang na kar
I wonder how old is khurram. can you tell us your age buddy? ’cause guaging from your posts since yesterday, your IQ seems no more than of a 10 year old.
@Khuram
You are entitled to your opinion, whether we agree or not. NS is a glory hog. After the SC gave its decision in July that he could come to Pakistan any time, we wanted to have the same multi-million-man reception as CJP got (when he was going places between March and July) and instead of flying to Pakistan sooner, he gave more than ample time to the government to pre-empt his plans. IK was present at the airport but none of the PML-N worker showed up at the airport.
Guys its time for break n fun……..
Kurram jao Mush ki maalish waalish karo us k chehrey ka rung ura ura sa hai. usey hum sey zaida tumhari zaroorat hai.
Jao shabash parey bachey zid nahin kartey…….
It tough to acknowledge truth that why its teasing now!!
I hope BB does not fall into trap again that is being laid by US.
All opposition must get together to get rid of this Cancer (MUSHARRAF).
@farhan
Buddah sathaya gya hai…….:p
@Asif
I think you could do a better job then me. Seems like you got a lot of babysitting experience!!! ha ha ha
Musharraf’s accent is neither Punjabi nor urdu.
He is FA fail Jahil General.
“Mein nay media ko azaadi dee ayyyyy”
What a joke.
Invite Buddah in your home at night and see what it will do.
yaar gaon main ek banda hota jis ka kaam her haal main entertain karna hota hai, usey miraasi kehtey hain.
Ab I don’t know k US main miraasi ko kya kehtey hain
Someone help me out………..
Buddah sathay gya hey jamalo…….
I help you. US main marasi ko Imran Khan kehtay hain.
@Asif
You’re right
Buddah sathay gya hey jamalo…….
@Khurram
UK may marasi ko musharraf ka chmcha kehtay hein
Oh ach tumhain baatain karna bhi aate hain…….
Bhai ab tu US main bhi reh ker miraasi hi rehna chahta hai to humain koi aitrazz nahi
welcome to US
Buddah sathay gya hai jamalo……
Buddah aa gya maidan main hey jamalo….
I think I’ve said something that really hurts. Hun!!!!!!!
What is the use of using abusive language? Supprot whom you like but please don’t fight!
If there is nothing positive to share then don’t write…
No leader or person is perfect, almost everyone made some mistakes or their acts look mistakes to us. However, it is not of much use to fight for personalities!
Personally, i feel that best thing which is useful for all is that we correct ourselves, think positively, act positively… If we can do it then we can do all otherwise things will remain complicated…
Pakistan needs unity, pateince and braveness and not opposite, i feel.
@Asif
This retard has diverted the topic. Ignore him. He comes from mushy’s zaat – stubborn retard.
@Babarsaab
Don’t worry its time for tea break & rest…….
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@Zaheer
Miraasi ki zaban hi aisee hoti is liyye in ko in k haal per chore do……..
We should not discriminate…Khuram has right to chose his way and others too…It is impossible that people agree on absolute one point, so there is no other option excpet we tolerate each other. We can talk on reasons of of our likes and dislikes but we can’t force anyone.
Yes, do criticise each other but personal hits at the end don’t bring something positive, we just lose energy and direction in this process…
need link to any sites with anti-Mush anti-emergency banners, we are having a protest today and i need some good slogans, the site i had is not working any more http://www.cspfp.search.org.pk/. urgent please
haha tendulkar again out in the 90s.sixth time this year
Khuram:
quote:I think (I’ve said something that really hurts. Hun!!!!!!!)
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Can you really think?
then please tell us more about how Mush is best nd what good he can bring to us?
caretaker premier :
http://www.senate.gov.pk/ShowMemberDetail.asp?ChairmanTag=C
great comedy match b/w Mush and Hush (Qazi Hussain)
Mush: emergency na lagatey to bohran 10 times ziada hota… Ma dictation ko bayezity samajtha hoon…..
Qazi: I will bring all parties on single agenda of SC restoration after end of my house arrest….
Jang website
WOW MAN U PEOPLE DO HAVE LOT OF TIME…LOOK AT ALL THESE RESPONSES no wonder why Pakistan is still light years behind developing nations …TELL U WHAT Y DONT U ALL GO AND DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE WITH UR TIME and if u do wanna protest go on streets leaving messages on websites while sitting on ur a*&$ and cursing other people will not do any good..
@ Admim
Admin you had put some comments on moderation but how come you are allowing some people who have lost all the decent ways of putting their point of view to use abusive language. You should moderate their comments also and remove them from board
Move 4 JUS: Welcome aboard
How did you find us – while sitting or standing
@to all bros
Recite “Aouz billah…….”to get rid of khurram
The best treatment for khurram is to just ignore him.Do not reply him in any case ,he will leave soon
Did u guys just see geo??? policemn dragging women on ground , 3 of them IKs sisters!! i am shocked
@Ahmed Bhai
Right on target. Thats their old method of face-saving. Hes no more than that. Has he played any role in bringing up the awareness in masses?
They are always with establishment to secure some seats & make money by giving them the constitutional protect to their illegal acts.
They paid bunch of Mullas nothing else. They cannot think beyond themselves.
what a shame..
Just saw on Geo TI and IK’s sisters’ protest, police brutality, their arrests, and first time saw male police smashing women…..
unbelievable….
Soomro caretaker PM appointed
Geo News just aired clips:
3 sisters of Imran Khan and few workers of PTI badly beaten and arrested by police in Lahore.
India 3 – Pak 1
Sindh interim Chief Minister – Mumtaz Bhutto?
Punjab interim Chief MInister – Justice R Ijaz Nasir
@ Khurram
This just one picture to explain why Musharraf should not be in power. Please do not close your eyes and leave your responsibilities by ignoring the facts.
Real face of MQM (Made by Dictator for his own agenda)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77_4ZTK_qCw
They are Government and they are “Supposed� to protect/own the law. They are Mush’s Beloved party and key alliance in government. Shame on You Musharraf.
This is what he has given us in his 8 year of his rule in which he was given all the freedom to do whatever. What he has given us? Terrorists?
My question is if he is saying that he imposed Emergency because of the law and order situation, who is responsible for that? He had everything in his controll in the last 8 years. It means he has been proved himself as a failed dictator, and just making excuses to prolong his stay so that we can watch more shows like this. I feel more sad when sombody says give Mush more time. For What? What has he done to build our image as nation in his rule and why he needs more time????
@Ahmed Bhai
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Geo Braking news:
Mush: Army will soon hit militants hard
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Must be some American official coming for Mush to be offering human sacrifice again. Oh I forgot – John “Death Squad” Negroponte is due soon…
Eerie resemblances in Pakistan’s dilemma
http://services.inquirer.net/print/print.php?article_id=101188
Americans have a funny term for it: “separated at birth.� The resemblances are so uncanny that the Philippines can certainly sympathize with a Pakistan forced to choose between a dictator who says he declared martial law in order to save democracy, and a democratic opposition slowly rallying around a woman leader, daughter of a former president and married to a polo playing husband linked to almost every corruption scandal while she was prime minister.
Imran thrown into Lahore jail
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22767908-601,00.html?from=mostpop
FORMER Pakistan cricket captain Imran Khan was facing the prospect of a long prison term last night after being shifted from police custody to one of the country’s most notorious jails.
Mr Khan, 55, leader of the small Tehrik-in-Insaaf (Justice) party and an outspoken critic of Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, was taken under heavy guard to the Kot Lakhpat jail on the outskirts of Lahore.
The move came as Attorney-General Malik Mohammad Qayyum announced last night General Musharraf would stand down as army chief before December 1.
General Musharraf and other officials had said he would wait for the Supreme Court to rule on the legality of his October 6 re-election as president before quitting the army.
Kot Lakhpat has for decades been one of Pakistan’s most feared jails and has frequently been used by military rulers to imprison their opponents. It was where former prime minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, father of opposition leader Benazir Bhutto, was incarcerated after he was overthrown by General Mohammed Zia-ul Haq.
Agar aik ship main
Musharaf
Nawaz shareef
Benazir
&
Shoukat Aziz
Bethay hon aur ship doob jae
tou ap ky kihyal mai kon bach jai ga??
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P A K I S T A N
http://express.com.pk/epaper/?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=FRONT_PAGE&Date=20071115&Pageno=1&View=1
Longlive IK, See the goonda-gardi of JI
suna hai imran khan ki kafi thukaai ki hai islami jamiat talba ney. sorry but imran have to pay because he is getting more CHANDA and qurbani ki KHAALAIN much more then jamiat.
@nota:
In the link that you have mentioned above, I see the following statement from BB:
“I am talking to the other opposition parties to find out whether they are in a position to come together,” she said from her home in Lahore.
It is interesting that neither BB nor NS are in any hurry in taking any drastic steps to counter Mush.
Why doesn’t NS send Kulsoom or SS to Pakistan? So, what if they get arrested like the thousands of other.
Just when you think americans might be getting some sense (see “US ‘looking beyond’ Musharraf’s leadership” and “Knives out for Musharraf as US loosens ties” linked earlier) out comes this sh*t:
US hedges its bets on Musharraf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7093891.stm
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US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte is being sent to Pakistan later this week to try to defuse the crisis.
Yet, officials carry on issuing measured responses to the events in Pakistan, even arguing for patience towards the country’s military ruler.
“It’s a real fine dance,” says George Perkovich, a South Asia expert with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
In the coming days if it looks like Gen Musharraf is on his way out, the administration will distance itself from him – but if they feel he’s got another life they will try not to alienate him, he says.
“They will not take a firm position one way or another. It will be wishy-washy,” Mr Perkovich says.
Uncertainty
Analysts say Washington does not want to be in a situation where it walks away from Gen Musharraf and yet he holds on to power for, say, another nine months.
“What happens during that period if Washington still has to deal with him. It’s going to be a really ugly time,” says Daniel Markey, who until recently served on the state department’s policy planning staff.
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Marvin Weinbaum, former Pakistan analyst at the state department, says he would be amazed if the process hadn’t already begun.
“It’s almost inevitable that the military will come to the conclusion that Musharraf can’t be part of the new formula if normalcy has to be restored,” he says.
People’s will
In fact, over the past week, the administration’s emphasis has been more on the “will” of Pakistani people than the commitment to stand by Gen Musharraf.
@Amir Hameed
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Why doesn’t NS send Kulsoom or SS to Pakistan? So, what if they get arrested like the thousands of other.
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Thanks for reminding me…Wasn’t Kulsoom talking tough saying she will be here in a couple of days when NS was deported. Later she changed it to “I will first go to UAE and be there in a few days.” That was then followed by “I will be there right after Ramazan.” Maybe now she is waiting for Muharram to pass…
well done jamiat, hehe they put imran back at his place.
Americans sound so much like BB/NS/Etc:
US hedges its bets on Musharraf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7093891.stm
“They will not take a firm position one way or another. It will be wishy-washy”
@Amir Hameed
The problem is that they are not bold enough to take the right decisions at right time.
And our traditional politician is still not upto the mark at current pace of life. They will suffer, In Pakistan Electronic media has bring the people answerable to common man. They still have to face it once media & they are back in active politics.
Kot lakh put jail ,actually produces real leader . Now inshallah after king khan will appear from that well known jail ,be a bigest leader of all of those fake poiltician . point to be noted here is every fake leader , raising voice for emergency is out of jail and just facing very minor detanations .. only Imran khan and his party is being treated very badly . so unfortunately we should conclude that we have only one real and true voice for pakistan and all other are just waiting to increase their ” price” in this cahos . kia hur koi apni boli barhanay kay liay fake jaloos nikal rahay hain …
jeo Imran .
My point is that these so-called leaders are sitting in their palaces while others are facing the brunt in the country. These are opportunists who just want to become heads of the state or province without any personal sacrifices.
Mush k dhobi-patkey ney US ko confuse ker diyya hai. This credit goes to Mush……..
Take a look at the PML-N’s oficial web site:
http://www.pmln.org.pk/
There is a big heading titled “Nawaz welcomes Benazir’s statement”
But there is no condemnation on the way IK was treated and arrested. Mind you that NS owes most of his recent popularity to IK as it was the latter who kept insisting him to go to Pakistan after the SC verdict and NS became popular only after the deportation event.
Want to see a M*R*N? Then see what Waqas Khattak has to say at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7087064.stm
Now why would BBC feature him on top of the page (covering the whole screen)? Scroll down and you see no one else supports that view. Certainly Asma Jehangir belonged at the top…
@Amir Hameed on November 15th, 2007 5:47 pm My point is that these so-called leaders are sitting in their palaces while others are facing the brunt in the country. These are opportunists who just want to become heads of the state or province without any personal sacrifices.
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But now their is a new court(Electronic Media) with Youtube is in place, tracking their each & every move & bringing them to the board. So this court never pends the cases, thatswhy they have to prepare their cases within limited amount of time. I love this new check on the people who govern the country.
And that would be great when this court(Media) is allowed to invite inservice public servants……….it would be a moment to watch……..
@Amir Hameed
“personal sacrifices”
You got it. No one wants to make “personal sacrifices” any more, and it’s not just our leaders. Maybe that is why we have the leaders that we do …
Khan ‘s three sisters have been released.
Imran Khan has been moved to Dera Ghazi Khan Jail
see anti-jamiat protest videos of 2500+ students at PU:
http://lahore.metblogs.com/
Though very disturbing, anything can be expected from our intelligence agencies. Have a look at this link. Might give you the reason why the families of politicians and judiciary are arrested even though, they have nothing to do with politics
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2848490.ece
Baighairat Hijra Police of Punjab man handles IK’ sisters and other PTI women of Pakistan.
Shame, SHame, SHame.
Pakistan Hijra Army and Police. Killer of Women and Children.
@Asif
Please don’t trust the media so much. You will see it get worst and worst as time goes by. Once it gets big, it can’t afford people like Dr. Shahid Masood or Talat Hussain speaking so freely. I had quoted a few people a few days earlier but I will repeat them as I think they are worth repeating:
“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum – even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there’s free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate. ”
– Noam Chomsky
“News is what someone, somewhere is trying to suppress, the rest is just advertising”
– Lord Northcliffe, British Press Baron
and remember:
“TO SEE WHAT IS IN FRONT OF ONE’S NOSE REQUIRES A CONSTANT STRUGGLE.”
– George Orwell, 1946
Jamiat people are stupid.
People have seen their pictures and faces. How will they live in society with respect from now on?
How will they claim that they are anti-establishment?
Jamiat and MQM have a lot in common. Both are expert in tarnishing their own image.
Both use the word ‘Bhai’ for their workers.
Both exploit and thrive on ‘victim mentality’ and ‘stand up’ for your rights mantra.
Both have links with establishment. They have to because they have too many criminal cases.
Excellent article about the Dictator.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/miscellaneous/story/2007/11/071115_gen_sadr_sahib_as.shtml
“Subh say Pehlay mein aur phir Pakistan”.
Musharraf Please stop playing God, Because when ALLAH decides to intervene your end will be that of Firoun,(Pharoah). INSHALLAH.
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@AJ
Its time for change, everyone understand & hails it except PHDs(Power-Hungry-Dracolas)
The most important thing is no one forced these guys to arrange protest.
A massive protest is being organized on Sunday. Please see the details above.
People from all walk of life and religions are coming out to support Pakistani people.
@nota
I understand your concern, but the time is over when TV channels were used to show what owners(Gov) want. Its time when TV channels are forced to show what public want to see to generate the revenue. Its very tricky business now.
Did you guys see the clips pf PTI protest in lahore? IK’s sisters were alos protesting. Look at the way police arrested them. Male police officers manhandled IK’s sisters and other ladies. It clearly shows 2 male police officers grabbing IK’s sisters and other women. Its VERY VERY shameful.
Did you guys see the clips pf PTI protest in lahore? IK’s sisters were alos protesting. Look at the way police arrested them. Male police officers manhandled IK’s sisters and other ladies. It clearly shows 2 male police officers grabbing IK’s sisters and other women. Its very very shameful.
Did you guys see the clips of pti protest in lahore? IK’s sisters were also protesting. Look at the way police arrested them. Male police officers manhandled IK’s sisters and other ladies. It clearly shows 2 male police officers grabbing IK’s sisters and other women. Its very very shameful.
We would rather have a tv channel that is showing open debate on ‘some’ issues than PTV that only shows us Mush & and his 40 thieves.
Gen Musharraf moving to institutionalise repression by intelligence agencies – Human Rights Watch
http://www.moveforjustice.org/News/tabid/60/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/546/Default.aspx
Guess whose is the world’s foremost expert in “institutionalizing repression by intelligence agencies”? if you guessed John Negroponte, you would be 100% correct.
Who is John Negroponte
http://www.counterpunch.org/hassan06042004.html
John Negroponte, Dirty Warrior
http://www.counterpunch.org/roesch02192005.html
JOHN NEGROPONTE & THE DEATH-SQUAD CONNECTION
http://www.ww4report.com/negropontedeathsquad
Gen Musharraf moving to institutionalise repression by intelligence agencies – Human Rights Watch
http://www.moveforjustice.org/News/tabid/60/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/546/Default.aspx
Guess whose is the world’s foremost expert in “institutionalizing repression by intelligence agencies�? if you guessed John Negroponte, you would be 100% correct.
Who is John Negroponte
http://www.counterpunch.org/hassan06042004.html
Did you guys see the clips of pti protest in lahore? IK’s sis were also protesting. Look at the way police arrested them. Male police officers manhandled IK’s sisters and other ladies. It clearly shows 2 male police officers grabbing IK’s sis and other women. Its very very shameful.
Allah bless our Pakistan,Pray for our country
Geo just reported that Imran Khan has been shifted to Dera Ghazi Khan Jail from Koth Luk Pat Jail
nota:
good link, must read
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Jew +
….Negroponte diplomatic responsibilities were appalling. Democracy and human rights are not on Negroponte preferred menu. Negroponte will be serving the interests of U.S. tyranny and U.S. Corporations in Iraq. Negroponte will bring to Iraq the economic disasters inflicted on the people of Latin America by the U.S. and U.S-backed corporations. Negroponte is not suitable to serve in the current political environment of Iraq.
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I request all students in pakistan that take courage from punjab university anti-IJT students.Throw outside, from each university and college of pakistan, these IJT munafics.Remember these are secret agents of pak army and ISI. Keep yourself distance from them.They killed many inocent students for their supermacy.
Musharraf dog has totally gone out of his mind & some MQM boot lickers deriving fun out of this inhumanity..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LGwZKrS9p0
i check this web site and speically this forum thousand of time every day just in a hope that some one might break the breaking news ,i visit here in a hope to read a post which says “Breaking news:its all over geo is reporting the Mush criminal has been taken to arrest by kyani…Mush will be persecuted by article 6 of the constituition ,,”
im loosing my patience now …i want to see some news like that asap….
@ Admin
Please upload today’s Aaj Kamran Ket Sath…. Geo Islamabad chief Afsar Alam on fire. Passionately condemned government actions.
Musharraf has totally gone out of his mind & some MQM boot lickers deriving fun out of this inhumanity..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LGwZKrS9p0
@IMRAN MALIK,
Same here. Hope visit of negroponte tomorrow bring that news..
Let us pray..
Its hope that drives so be hopeful to live for another day.
lazim hey ke hum dekhain gey..
Dear visitors,
I want to shift your consideration to the main problem of Pakistan. In my personal opinion, no action or reaction will change the lives and standard of living of Pakistani people until we make some measures to restore 70% of the people of Pakistan, who are being occupied by the Waderaas and Landlords since Pakistan came into being. I think for a real democracy these people need to be educated and rehabilitated in new towns or cities otherwise they will still live like slaves under these Landlords. If you see the democratic governments and the people who constituted the National Assembly, you will find that, these are the same families with different names ruling since 1960. For a real democratic movement, it is also required to make those 70% people independent and make them educated. Education as far as i am concerned does not mean to do bachelor or master or PhD. They need to be educated in terms of their rights, social and human values. 30% of the population who live in cities can not do anything alone. In my opinion, you will soon see these Landlords back in government after getting votes from their slaves and help Musharraf.
There are numerous rumors taking rounds in Islamabad. One of them is that General might soon be guest of saudi kings. As expected United States have refused to grant him asylum. Negroponte visit might be in this regard.
Dear everyone,
This is a lecture form Dr Israr ahmed in my view everyone should listen this at least once.One should know how many peoples given the sacrifice for this country and now what we are doing with the country for which we have given so many lives, how many of out forefathers suffered for this country.
http://tanzeem.org/broadcast/audio/urdu/misc.asp
Allama Iqbal Aur Quaid-e-Azam Ka
Tasawwur-e-Pakistan
@Hassan aka Mr. Altaf Hussein, good evening, how are you doing. You educated the whole of Karachi and they are now fuuly aware of their right to kill anybody whom they don’t like. Let us educate the remaining 70% of the Pakistan we will then have country which will control the problem of population in a miraculous way….
Interesting article
His bridges burned, Musharraf has nowhere to turn
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2210245,00.html
Musical night being organized in honour of outgoing PM..
Whenever somebody brings the question of education in democracy , I just can’t help smiling when I see that the perhaps the most educated city of Pakistan “elects” MQM goons as their members then I feel happy that so-called “uneducated” , “illeterates” at least choose likes of Wasi Zafars, Sher Afgans who can at least provide some entertainment.
We need independent and honest judiciary. All the feudals will automatically fall in lines.
interestingly, in Burma 79%+ literacy rate and dictatorship …..
@ Pejamistry
Educatin should be right, one that teaches you morality. Otherwise Qyyum Malik and Sher Afgan are educated as well.
MQM and Jamiat thrive on victim mentality. They target disillusioned youth and tell them everyone is against them and they need to wake up. This makes these people violent as well.
That is why JI always had most seats in Karachi.Later MQM told them that they were bigger victim than what JI told them. Even now whenver MQM boycotts elections JI wins in Karachi, not PPP or PML.
Our traditional Matric FA is not an education. Most of the people of MQM get their supporters through exam with a TT on the exam table. Cheating is openly encouraged.
Liberal syllabus is required that doesn’t tell you that you are a victim and asks you to bring change, not become violent and believe in peaceful resistance. That is what Imran Khan is doing and these people are scared.
Stupid Chauhdaries of Gujrat and MQM are leading from the front to destroy Pakistan. Both these can go to any length(even can sell Pakistan)to have control, money and luxuries. They can’t see beyond their personal interests. I am really really sad when i see personal criminals of Gujratis misbehave with educated people including women. It is shame for us that such dirt is present in our society. But you know those dirty people even can’t feel what they are doing. They are dead mentally.
A big plan is being worked out and Mr. Ponte is also coming to increase this fire, they can never see a peaceful Pakistan. Some one is pumping Chauhdries and MQM to go for all to burn Pakistan, this is best moment. Both MQM and Chauhdaries worked for years to reach this status of dawns(Gundas) and now they are showing their level but these are their last tactics INSHALLAH.
A tough time for us. We need to be very very careful, very alert, very united and patient. Remain peaceful but brave and determinent, please. TRUTH is not created to be defeated. IT WILL WIN INSHALLAH. Be active and positive. May Allah guide and help us. Aamin.
column about IK, JI, IJT…
http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/nov-2007/16/columns2.php
My uncle was only Matric pass and used to read Pakistan Times and Dawn. My brother is MA pass and he reads Jang & Epress.
People from Karachi have seen a biggest slump in education standards in last 25 years becuase MQM made every third Mohajir guy either a fugitive or got him in jail. Rest of them were going for daily protests and were passing exams with cheating.
do read this as well
http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/nov-2007/16/columns1.php
Read about MQMs attrocities and videos
http://www.mqmwatch.org/
Ghamidi sh. good program on Geo now
Geo just reported: BB’s house arrest ended. Detention orders withdrawn.
negroponte zindabad
so now she should continue with long march tomorrow ?
Injustic is the roo-cause of our all problems. And both in cities & villages as well powerful people never voice for justice but contrlled-democracy.
The only solution is to voice for Justice.
Lets not count our chikens. its BB we are talking about. Who knows she may take a complete u-turn and deal with mush since thats what US wants.
Imran Khan has support of educated liberal youth. He should start a 100% literacy campaign in at least 5 cities at first. This campaign should teach people traditional education and also Politics such as the downside of dictatorship and tell them how India is benefiting from democracy.
This right education will benefit Pakistan a lot and will prepare a pressure group of at least 10 million Pakistanis in next 5 years. These people could be our real safe guard of democracy.
I am an avid BB supporter, but feel very sorry for Imran Khan who is a valiant and principled opponent of Musharraf (and hence a valuable ally for the PPP)…do you think he will be subjected to torture or sleep deprivation in Lakhpat Jail?
Mush shooted his own foot when he decided to for next five year term from the outgoing assembly, otherwise there were very bright chances for him to be Pres. & bb to be PM.
Thank God his proactive measure went upside down.
Finally some good news!!!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7093891.stm
“It’s almost inevitable that the military will come to the conclusion that Musharraf can’t be part of the new formula if normalcy has to be restored,” he says.
When God wants to destroy someone, he makes him mad first.
Mush is become mad. Wait for his destruction. Soon to come, Inshallah.
@Nabeel
You are on target.
Justics,health and education are three things which build the nation into developed nation as from feedback of these three things defense become strong.While Military, weapons and secret agencies weak the nation.
@kami,
Though I agree with you about the importance of education specially with the awareness about the fundamental rights as well as democratic and liberal values. However I come from remote district (Dera Ghazi Khan where perhaps king khan is today) , I have met numerous uneducated peasants and workmen there and surprisingly I feel that most of those adults have a lot more understanding of their rights and intellect as compared to people in Islamabad where I spent 10 years. In the days of Gen Zia I found that those illeterates always opposed dictatorship. Only issue that hinders them to express their will is lack of rule of law. That’s what CJ was doing, he was somehow giving them courage to stand up and express their will without fear. What this judiciary was doing was something revolutionary, if these judges had remained in their office in two years we would have definitely seen a revolution.
@T Babu
Iagree on your 1st part but we need a balance between two, which is out at the moment out.
Miyaani ravi ikhtiyar karo, for a successful life.
I was just thinking that its a shame on us as a nation that we r looking at foreigners (americans) to bail us out from this tyrant monster….
shame on all politicians….and the janta as well,..(excluding judges lawyers,journalists and there supporters)
If you have seen video of women including IK’s sister’s protest… I saw it again on Geo and believe me this brutality will certainly brings end of dictatorship and the system the produces such dictators. I am convinced.
@ Imran Malik
Since Musharraf’s god is USA, we have to twist his arm anyway we can!!
Leave this ‘guilt’ thing for mush & altaf lovers who are enjoying permanent support from their worldy gods
Public opinion keeps in check the public servants & Government. And in Pakistans history it become visible 1st time by the compition in private news channels. It forced/encouraged the Judges to give rulings as per public opinion.
Then someone brought this thing into the knowledge of Mush, who banned all those things responsible for Public Opinions Visiblity. But that was too late.
So public opinions visibility is the founding stone for our revival.
@Asif
I agree with you (actually my point was also to keep balance between them which i have not mentioned) see russia,iraq……they spend money in a foolish way on militray but at the end they got nothing but on other hand see present example of china which take care of health,justics and education and also defence in a balanced way.Now all these things are helping china.
@ khan
Good article. History tells us that Musharraf will be deumped by the US. The top Pak army elite knows that Musharraf is becoming a liability and they are just waiting for the signal from the US.
US will abandon Musharraf sooner than later and in the end he will find no friends just like the Shah of Iran.
@pejamistry
I agree with you. Thats what I meant too that educated people are not doing their part because they have been given traditional third class education.
Since education is necessary to compete first world, we need to start teaching democracy from primary. I was watching a documentary where in some countries primary kids vote and choose their leaders. They are taught the sanctity of vote in class. Thats what we need.
MQM and JI didn’t thrive on educated voters. It thrived on frustrated young people who were told that they were victims and the whole world is against them. This victim mentality and the ‘lectures’ to stand up and fight took them to the violence and dead end.
Imran Khan did not encourage violence. He may have suffered temporarily but positive change is brought by peaceful resistance.We have defeated Generals by our bare hands. We don’t want Kalashnikov culture.
‘Those who live by Sword (now TT), will be cut down by Sword’ (BIBLE)
The more the importance we would give to Public Opinion the more the peaceful & progressive we will be one day, InshAllah.
it looks like aaj has given in to the Juntas intimidation and dropped live with talat and bolta pakistan. article from RSF
http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24391
lets hope and pray that GEO and ARY stay firm.
@B16IMY
I think it would have been better for the owners of AAJ TV to wait a bit because after dropping the popular talk shows they are reducing their viewership that would reslut in a decrease in Ads.
Not a good decision revenue point of view.
lets hope its something that GEO and ARY consider.
by the way pJ Mir interviwed shaukat aziz on ARY one world. he is the biggest chamcha on tv at the momement. all he did was agree and nod his head to all the bs coming out from aziz
The real issue is Public Opinions Visibility. So no compramise on that by Mush, otherwise hes finished.
can anybody give comments on:in past pak army many time forced the civilian governments to make an insitute which they named it as ‘National security council’ (that was ultimately founded by Mush) to stop martial law. why this ‘national security council’ has sttopped the Mush martial law now.
Tribue to students, lawyers, judges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv7YdFVe2Is
http://www.BoltaPakistan.com
TV channels are adopting the same policy as BB. They will soon give Mush a hard time.
Mush is a lame duck and these ‘agreements’ are like NRO. If Mush can break Constitution, Channels will break this agreement of illegitimate government in a couple of weeks. Wait and see!
@pejamistry
where u from in dgkhan m from dg khan as well
@T Babu
NSC was created to have balance inbetween President, Prime minister & COAS. And all the 3 title are virtually owned by Mush. And every organistaion have some rules of game which limits the abuse of power, same the case with NSC. But our Mush is voilent at the moment & he NSC limits its powers so he used the old fashioned style again.
Donot worry what Mush is doing now a days he will get the results very soon.I think many of us remember that
1. MQM killed the journalist in their peak dictatorship era but when they raided by the pak army then they looked for help from journalist but ….
2. NS made special courts and he was punished by the same courts…..
Time is very near when mush will look towards journalist and courts ,and nobody will their to help me. Because what you will sow so shall you ripe.
Donot worry what Mush is doing now a days he will get the results very soon.I think many of us remember that
1. MQM killed the journalist in their peak dictatorship era but when they raided by the pak army then they looked for help from journalist but ….
2. NS made special courts and he was punished by the same courts…..
Time is very near when mush will look towards journalist and courts ,and nobody will their to help him. Because what you will sow so shall you ripe.
I complete agree with T Babu – Musharraf one day would be looking to these very courts and journalists for help and if the judicary is not restored then his own corrupt judges would waste no time in condemning him.
His attempt at making Somoro as PM is that he should not take over as President if he is forced out. Musharraf is trying is best to cover all possible attacks on him and this way he would bring Somoro under him.
If any news channel agrees that it would not air any current affair program no one is going to watch them and their advertisements would be severely affected. I dont think they can take this chance and if they do then why should I pay for it
set free everyone held politically. spokesman US foriegn ministry
pressure from all sides……
IK also should start student wing of PTI, Insaf Students Federation(ISF)……..
Its the right time……….
Shuakat aziz is being congratulated by every body in the govt….cabintet ,president for completing the tenure of assembly ,,,,,hahahaha i guess ending the tenure in the state of emergency,licking the president’s a$$ for all his term and looting billions is a fate that he sure deserves congratulations from the whole country..
what he really deserves is to have his face sprayed black and then sit on donkey and make a round of islamabad ..
Two Nations Theory
Minorities who rule Pakistan
Majorities who become bitter every day
Before another era of Sham Democracy
We need
A Civil War
In this civil war the foundations of new Pakistan should be laid down.
Let the sleepy villages of Punjab, Depressed haris of Sindh and slaughtered pious Pashtoons take revenge from
Shia Feudals, Westernized Librals and Treacherous Muhajirs.
Let Majorities Rule
My
Beloved Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noHc6jTil-0
@pejamistri, Good Night,
You were partially right about MQM. I belong to Karachi and I know that MQM is exploiting those people (Muhajirs) who has suffered due to the Quota system, corruption, sectarism and the culture of negligence for Muhajirs. I am not a Muhajir but practically speaking Muhajirs are the most educated and cultured citizens of Pakistan. If you see Karachi, around 70% inhabitants are so-called Muhajirs but when you see at the Government offices and other opportunities of employment, you will find 60% Sindhies and 38% Punjabi’s and around 2% Muhajirs working there. Altaf Hussain had taken the advantage of the situation and used those unaccepted talented people in his party. He made them violent for his own interests like other parties did. In other words, you can say that Altaf Hussain has became the fudal Landlord of Karachi which is indeed wrong. But the opportunity was provided to him by the system which did not absorb those well-cultured, talented and educated youth. I dont want to raise the issue of sectarism politics.
I think that Pakistan has a lot other problems except independence of judiciary and media, which are indeed obligatory pillars of the nation. But these things does not affect common man. Common man needs social security, education, health and insurance, safe environment, basic human rights, Smooth traffic system, public friendly procedures etc.
We need a true and honest leader, but unfortunately our system is not capable to produce that.
By the way, I think Mushi should announce social security package for the common people to overcome the blunders he did. He can start with Rs.3500 per month, I think it does not cost him a lot although he is getting huge amount from USA.
U.S. souring on Pakistan president
http://www.mercurynews.com/nationworld/ci_7468125?nclick_check=1
U.S. Wondering How to Meddle Next in Pakistan
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/15/02723/775
Pakistan & Another Iraq War Disaster
http://themoderatevoice.com/war/afghanistan/16111/pakistan-another-iraq-war-disaster/
US Lawyers March Against Martial Law and the Arrest of Pakistani Lawyers
http://dc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/141590/index.php
U.S. seeking alternatives to Pakistan routes for Afghanistan war supplies
http://news-frist.blogspot.com/2007/11/us-seeking-alternatives-to-pakistan.html
US wants end to Pakistan emergency, Musharraf says no
http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/FullcoverageStoryPage.aspx?id=72170669-70d5-4166-ae80-c0e891f477f2EmergencyruleinPakistan_Special&MatchID1=4586&TeamID1=1&TeamID2=8&MatchType1=1&SeriesID1=1151&PrimaryID=4586&Headline=US+wants+end+to+Pak+emergency%2c+Pervez+says+no
Negroponte to Visit Pakistan, Urge End to Emergency
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-11-14/61928.html
Imran Khan – Pakistan’s Future
http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28114
http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/nov-2007/16/columns1.php
This column is written by a Jamaatiya diehard column-nigaar Irfan siddiqui.
Don’t miss it
Who says Imran Khan has no ground support, just saw the protest in PU, its something very very unusal who knows PU that how difficult is to go against JI in PU.
Soon PU would be free from the JI Goons…..
its written on the wall…….
It is shamful
That Play Boy, Pro Musharaf, Imran Khan
Turned
Patriot, Democrat,
wanted
Jamiat
To Accept him as student Massaya
Why
He did not join Lawyers when they were being butured in the streets of Lahore.
Imran Wants Leadership
At other’s expence.
We have done this experiment with Nawaz Sharif
It failed
Jamiat has no body to opologise to
Jamiat is not obliged to accept
The Play Boy Imran as their leader
Well Done
Young Lads
Qazi sahab should know very well that Jamiat is For Islam, Pakistan, Democracy and Muslim Ummah
Not necessarily for self imposed Imran Khan
Imran Khan’s three sisters arrested today.
There is a picture in Jang where a police man in plain clothes is throwing a women in a van. He has held her from back.
Is Musharraf setting a good example? Who will respect Sabha Musharraf and their daughter when they are not in power.
Imran has lot of support in Cyber Politics
@Sahi
U have cut your own feet, what we can do. Ab roney dhoney sey kuch nahin ho ga. Ab to JI girti huee diwaar hai……..
Afsos no one can help you out on this act………
@ Sahi
We will keep on condeming Mush and MQM.
MQM supporters cannot change our discussion.
Shame on MQM
Shame on Mush
Illegitimate Mush’s days are numbered.
@sahi
Baray baray bayghairat dekhen hen, par tu jeet gya he yaar. 21 topon ka salam he teri danishmandana reasoning pe. Ja kisi gutter men doob mar.
@Sahi on November 16th, 2007 12:08 am Imran has lot of support in Cyber Politics
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See the Goe News, thousands of students protested in PU against JI………..
There are many similarities between Jamiat and MQM that is why they hate each other.
Both preach a ‘philosophy’ and talk about a system where oppressed will become strong.
JI used to win most seats of Karachi. Now MQM does that. When MQM bycotted election in 2002, JI again won; not PML or PPP.
Jamiat leadership in Punjab belongs to Urdu speaking people MSOTLY.I noticed some guys in BBC video and realized that. I looked back all the people I knew in Punjab university. These people belonged to nice hardworking families but they were angry with their families for not doing enough for them and country.That is why they join such parties.
Jamiat leader often become JI leader. That is why JI is always in minority because it doesn’t have members from majority population in Punjab.
Both parties believe in some kind of retaliation/self defence which often turn into violence.
It is our fault as a socity. We should have assimilated these young people so that they were not looking for any ‘philosphy’ to get back at the society.
People in Pakistan
Deserve Musharaf
Because
They cannot distinguish between black and White
the question is why Imran imposed himself on PU
Why he could not go to Lawyers movement.
Sir ??????????
Imran
carries the dirt of his dark
British slavish syndrome
He is Out Cast
Along with at contaminated westernized soles in Pakistan
Imran is Man of Desires
Jamiat is Movement and sole of Pakistan
Now Go
wash your mind
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MR AKRAM SHEIKH’S SOB DEMANDS ABOUT TO START.
(Comin’ up!)
Some Shia
Some Confused
Big Mouths are wide open on this forum
Jamiat is Movement and sole of Pakistan
—————————————
Beta is movement k kaarnamey to batao is k ilawa
Imran Should Choose
His Own Constituency to speak from
His own
Mount Saini
He was not invited
He was unwanted intruder
He was dealt with appropriately
Imran Khan Saga
is a Cult
Sahi beta ab roney dhoney sey kuch nahi badley ga……………
When some is frustrated and cannot reason, they come here to save their leaders (Mush & MQM).
They start things like:
Qazi is great
Others are shia
They forget about their Altaf Bhai’s religion
Sahi beta ab tu sirf ro hi sakta hai………….
Students rally against Imran’s arrest
OUR STAFF REPORTER
LAHORE-Premier educational institutions in the City witnessed students rallies against the emergency and IJT’s manhandling and handing over of Imran Khan to the police.
The pick of these protests was seen in the Punjab University where thousands of students registered their protest against IJT for roughing up Imran Khan and later producing him before police.
A huge protest demo was staged by students at the Punjab University to condemn the arrest of cricket hero turned politician Imran Khan and the role of Islami Jamiat Tulaba in the whole situation.
There had been no call from any group or organisation for the protest staged as a mark of solidarity with Imran Khan and to condemn the IJT.
The protests began at 9:30 am when about 100 students gathered at the PU’s Law College.
The students both male and female formed a procession and moved to other departments. The whole university came alive in protest as the number of protesters swelled to thousands. They shouted slogans against IJT.
The angry students ransacked the IJT office in the Chemical Technology Department, IER and Geology Department (IJT’s main office).
Mush has bought a palace in Turkey Istanbul and is planning to run there.
His supporters will be left behind to face the anger of Pakistani people. Will they have hands to write in his favour on this website? lol
According to some faculty members the protest was unprecedented. ‘There has never been such a protest in the last 25 years. Even the IJT could never stage such a big protest. This is also for the first time that any protest has been staged by someone else other than IJT. Being against IJT the protest comes as a surprise’, a faculty member said.
Kami what is your philosophy?
Do you think Imran should have Sir as his title
or should he drop it?
Why Imran has become your prophet suddenly
Before him, what was your Politics.
Where were you when Bhutto divided Pakistan
Yes perhaps playing cricket
Where were you when Russians invaded Afghanistan and threatened Pakistan
Probably still playing cricket
You Gays are Laughing Stock
Except that you are a passionate mob
I am very thankful to Musharraf (i mean it) for the damage he has done to the Army.
It is last Fauji rule.
It is the first time that Punjab turned against Faujis. Rest of our country has always been against these corrupt generals.
Mush should get credit for destroying his own institution.
No politician could have harmed these Faujis so much. At least we all are united. This will make our country strong.
Another Good THING about Musharraf: he has FULLY Exposed MQM and Jamiat. Well done Mush. Go to hell forever now!
http://www.jamiat.org.pk/imrankhan.html
My Philosophy:
Worst democracy is better than dictatorship.
Army and debt servicing takes 75% of our budget. Politicians only get 25%. Even from that 25% , Fauji Foundation etc make roads and do corruption.
Faujis should get blame.
Public should elect and reject leaders, be it NS, BB or IK.
People from MQM and other parties should be brought to mainstream and their VIOLENCE factions disbanded.
Army back to barracks forever.
Sahi Beta Jee bhar k ro lo……….
Generals never allow politicians an independent foreign policy.
They only allow and encourage them to do corruption so that they could be blackmailed later. This is the way to make governments later with likes of Q league and criminal MQM.
@Sahi
OK, so now how do you defend Jamiat’s actions when they themselves are apologising?
@ mush supporters
If choice was between two prime ministers I would choose a better man but here its not about personalities, its about system, you might see short term benefits under dictatorship but nations are made in centuries and democracies however incompetent is always a better coice in the long run.
Learn from North and South Korea, East and West Germany, Burma, Zimbabwe…and if we don’t change soon India and Pakistan, only difference is the system . Wakeup and look around you, not just talk shows and newspapers.