PROTEST at SEOUL, KOREA
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(16th Nov, 2007 Friday 0200 M)
Students from various universities of S.Korea gathered in seoul and demonstrated a protest infront of Pakistan Embassy.
Slogans againts emergency and in favour or judiciary were raised while protesting in a silent way as allowed by the local police.
* Pictures and Clips will be uploaded soon.

…and look what our univ students did to Imran Khan…disgusting!!! Down with Ja-me-att!

some famous ex-jamtias now in govt…actually not as of today

muhammad ali Durrani (information minister)
Shaikh Rasheed(railway minister)

no wonder jamiat supports the govt

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/nov2007-daily/16-11-2007/col9.htm

can anybody refer me to ant statment from
PMLN on pu incident

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\11\16\story_16-11-2007_pg1_11
aaj tv back on, on condition that they dont air bolta pakistan and talat. Please if anyone could find and post the aaj tv mailing address.
We should all mail them saying we shall boycott their channel until those two programs are reinstated. Also let them know that if not reinstated we shall write to their various sponsors to stop their advertising. Please this is the least we can do for them as it is a matter of their livelihood and our unadulterated news that we have enjoyed thru this website….
admin please make the mailing address a sticky and make sure every one visiting this website mails he aaj people..

AAJ is pathetic without these 2 programs. Talat hussain is an intelligent anchor with relative objectivity. Alas the Aaj admn had its finances dearer than free press. sad sad

you want us to watch PJ Mir? or Peja TV oh sorry PTV

Soon GEO TV will be without… HAMID MIR alias phappay kutni!& IFTIKHAR alias munh phaat!

GEO is already bleeding financially and will soon fall in line to AAJ and DAWN.

When money talks, objectivity takes a hike. Media in Pakistan has learned a global lesson.

Sorry forgot to add……

Without Peja (PJ Mir) and Jaidi (Javed Malik) ARY will fizzle out! There is so much you can earn from selling jewelery and gold in Dubai and then invest in a media empire too!

Nice article by Ayyaz Amir

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm

This country was came in being in the name of Islam and now in which direction we are going?

Iss daur main may aur hai, jaam aur hai, jum aur

Saaqi ne bina ki rawish-e-lutf-o-sitam aur

Muslim nai bhi ta’ameer kia, apna harum aur

Tahzeeb ke azar ne trishwai sanam aur

In taza khudaon main baRa sab se watan hai

Jo pairhan iss ka hai, woh mazhab ka kafan hai

Yeh but keh tarasheeda-e-tahzeeb-i-navi hai

Gharat gar-e-khashan-e-deen-i-nabawi hai

Baazu tira tawheed ki quwwat se qawi hai

Islam tira dais he, tu Mustafawi hai!

Nazzara-e-deerana zamanay ko dikha dai

Ai Mustafawi, khaak main iss but to mila dai

@Zufi
They did have a statement yesterday in Dawn…see http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/15/nat12.htm

Interesting last paragraph:
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1684532,00.html

Long live Imran Khan.Shame on Gov .We are desperately waiting to see Shahid Masood,Hamid Mir,Kamran Khan,Talat Hussain,Kashif Abbasi on our television screens and please keep on going as u people did in the past plz dont lose your credibility.

Please watch tribute to students and lawyers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv7YdFVe2Is

and please sign protest at http://www.BoltaPakistan.com

I really don’t believe GEO is bleeding financially as they made tons of money running those “Parah Likha Punjab” and Mush ads non-stop for months. They can afford to hold out a while I am sure.

Personally I never watch ARY, I only watch Talat on Aaj (and sometimes that show with two journalists commenting on current events — sorry I forgot their names), and on Geo I only watch Dr. Shahid Masood’s and Hamid Mir’s shows. If none of these are there, then it really doesn’t matter if ARY, GEO, or AAJ are on air or not.

dr shahid masood is also out. Mush threatened to lodge treason case against GEO if dr shahid appears again on screen.
please contact GEO and dr shahid to give them full support.

BB in her latest press conference going on at the moment has said that she does NOT ACCEPT THE NEW CARETAKER GOVERNMENT AS IT IS AN EXTENSION OF PML Q.

She says she is trying to build up a coalition that would agree on an interim goverment that would oversee free and fair elections.

Another good article including mention of Imran incident.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=80951

An article from Guardian, harbinging good news of probable demise of Musharraf (ameen)

http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=80952

There are three issues:

Pakistan : Are we 53rd State of USA?
It appears we are as Bush adminstration is directly issuing instructions to Pakistan Govt what to do and what not to do.

Musharraf : He is not only a dictator, but also is a man without moral who even to to the extent by getting women beat on the roads of Lahore. It is a shameful affair.

Benazeer : She and her people party are corrupt and want the ” Chair ” ( as her father described in 1977.

PPP is responsible for breaking up of Pakist an in 1972, BB was in power for 2 terms and during this period she stole US$1.2bn from Pakistan treasurt as quoted by musharrsf, has a deal with musharraf to play a major role in the drama being played by Musharraf.

The worst of the worst in the political scene of this country are the so called religious parties. Certainly, they religiously follow the path of self-interest and amoral conduct, willing to make a u-turn at the drop of a hat. The worst hypocrites in this game are Qazi and Fazlu. No wonder Imran has been betrayed time and again by these bearded monsters. And look at the mess they created in the one part of the country they ruled. Down with the Mullahs! Once and for all.

Unless BB takes a U-turn or settle for less, its clear that Mush must go now, well before end of Nov.

Interesting to see how VCOAS taking command and allowing Sc restoration as CJ hinted to call generals (from agencies) in “lapata loog” cases

Now I am feeling that everyone (political parties, media) will settle down for “less than best” and probably judges will become escape goat like AQ Khan

who cares about awam… May my fear prove wrong

BB is freed again. Negaponte makes it.

http://www.brecorder.com/latestindex.php?latest_id=5750&cindex=00&current_page=1

I just read on the Inasf website that Imran Khan’s three sisters were beaten and than arrested at Barket market Gulberg, Lahore.

They actually have an audio file uploaded where you can hear women screaming and police brutally beating them. I just dont understand, How can they do this to women doing a benign protest.

I wont be surprised if they even vacate Shukat Khanum and shut it down under Anti Terrorism act.

The political parties would lose their crediblity if they settle for less - and allow the judiciary to be sacked - no one can afford that now.

Sometimes the events take over the situations and people lose control over them.

Just imagine how the Imran arrest backfired on Jammat and IJT - it caused them a devastating blow and for the first time in history of Punjab University more than 4000 students got together which included many members of IJT and raised slogans against IJT.

All the newspapers in Pakistan has condemned the way IJT played the role and in fact it benefited Imran immensely.

So it is now nearly impossible if anyone can afford to let the rehabilitation of judiciary go away like that

BREAKING NEWS

Justice Abassi, Justice Buttar and Justice khokhar - SC PCO judges - have refused on sit on the bench which is to decide on emergency petitions of Iqbal Tikka.

So even lota judges are saying enough is enough - maybe they are also smelling the change

BB says that oath of caretaker goverment on PCO is nothing less than TREASON

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/11/071116_bb_lahore.shtml

@ chussain

good news. where was it? i am watching geo. nothing there

Geo was showing in its newsreel.

Maybe GEO will come On Air very soon after some conditions from government like they did with Aaj Tv and Dawn.

Indeed. AAJ owners have certainly given in.

“Live with Talat” and “Bolta Pakistan” not to be aired.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\11\16\story_16-11-2007_pg1_11

SC three Judges refuse to hear petitions against emergency
Updated at 1530 PST
ISLAMABAD: Supreme Court (SC)’s three Judges have refused to hear the petitions filed against the imposition of emergency in the country and, thereafter, the hearing of the case was adjourned until next Monday.

SC ten-member full court headed by the PCO Chief Justice, Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar was hearing the petitions filed against the emergency, when Justice Faqir Muhammad Khokhar in his remarks said that he could not hear the petitions against emergency, as the decision against the Supreme Judicial Council Bench, in which, he was a member, has the reference in the enforcement of emergency, while Justice Nawaz Abbasi in his remarks said that the enforcement of emergency also referred to Lal Masjid and we were also included in the Bench making decision for the opening of Masjid, therefore, Justice Javed Buttar and he also should not sit in this Bench.

Attorney General, Malik Qayyum present on this occasion said that the emergency matter was sensitive, if you do not sit in the Bench, then other Judges could also do so.

Following the refusal of the Judges, SC CJ heading the Bench adjourned the hearing until next Monday.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=32343

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=32343

This is about the news of three judges saying they cannot hear petitions against emergency rule

to which channel do you think Talat will be going?

I am not worried about the conditions imposed by goverment on these channels because in any case Inshallah the goverment is going to fall down sooner than later - unless stabbed by MMA who are very very dubious -

FAzlu has said that he is ready to take part in elections under PCO - he wants to save nation.

MMA is loyal to Musharraf even more than PMLQ - they are wolf in sheep’s clothing

AAJ is going to lose heavily because of this one decison - people watch these channles not to watch dramas - they want news and objective current affairs.

there is a business model and its ok that current affair programs are popular yet all not all income generators. there is pie associated with other programs and corresponding advertisement revenue so i think the channels will overcome their financial problems

and hopefully soon Mush is over, all people will be back

Benazir has certainly left town as 10 minutes ago all police jumped with joy and hurriedly removed the barriers and left…

I have seen this ugly face of I.J.T during my collge days when I was in F.C. College, Lahore. It was in early 1996 when B.B was the prime minister and corruption was at its peak. Mr. 10% and B.B both were looting with both hands. Pakistan was declared as the seond most corrupt nation in the world. At that time, I.J.T was as popular in F.C. College as it was in Punjab Univeristy. They used to explode fire crackers, threaten the teachers to bycott classes and force the students to move with them to Mansoora to stage protest. Now when Imran Khan came who has the true support of students, this really disturb I.J.T whose are now left with some support only in Punjab University, so they have shown the reality of their party. I believe that either its Imran or else they should not involve students in these shit activities and let them studies as I remember that How much the students of our session has to bear the loss during the days of turmoil.

The government allowed Aaj TV and Dawn News to go on air on Thursday, with certain conditions. However, sources said Aaj TV was allowed back on the condition that two of its talk shows - “Live With Talat� and “Bolta Pakistan� - would not be run. Aaj TV Director News Talat Hussain confirmed that the channel was back on air. “Any understanding between the employer and the government that will infringe on our editorial independence is unacceptable,� he said. “We will either resist or resign from our jobs,� he said

Those who will participate in these elections will be the B team of Musharaf.Fazlu seems to the part of that B team but hopefully all the other oposition parties will unite on one agenda which is ‘go mush go’and they will bycote the so called elections.

All the MMA leaders (Qazi, Munawar Hassan etc) who were under house arrest have been set free.

AAJ is on air since yesterday .I was waiting for ‘Live with Talat’ but they run a slide that ‘Live with Talat’ and ‘Bolta Pakistan’ are temporary closed for short time.

Sorry, false alarm. ALMOST all of the barriers have been lifted. All the police are gathered around her house and was told by a policeman BB is having a press conference and they are waiting for it to end…

@chussain
BB says that oath of caretaker goverment on PCO is nothing less than TREASON

Oh, for once BB and I agree By the same reasoning every public servant is a traitor but I would settle for Mush, NSC, his old and caretaker cabinet and PCO judges being CONVICTED of the offense…

MMA are being released as a reward for handing over Imran Khan and to sabotage the movement against Musharraf

Is this why BB is screaming?

The general pulls a fast one
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - A few days after President General Pervez Musharraf declared a state of emergency on November 10, Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), the secret service agency, met with leaders of the opposition parties to decide on a roadmap for a caretaker administration leading to general parliamentary elections in January and then to a post-election government.

The opposition parties, including the six-party religious alliance, the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, and the ruling Pakistan Muslim

League, finalized a seat adjustment mechanism through which these leading parties would receive significant representation in the next government.

At the same time, the ISI had a separate meeting with the Pakistan People’s Party and assured its leader, Benazir Bhutto, that she would head a caretaker administration as prime minister.

As a result of these meetings, the opposition response to the declaration of the state of emergency was relatively muted - most reaction came from the legal profession, outraged at the sacking of Supreme Court judges, as well as the chief justice, and the suspension of the constitution.

But this week, the day that Pakistan finalized the details of a visit by US Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte, starting on Friday, it also announced an interim government - and without Bhutto. Mohammedmian Soomro, chairman of Pakistan’s Senate since 2003, was appointed interim prime minister to prepare for the parliamentary elections.

more at http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IK17Df04.html

Is this why BB is scr*aming?

The general pulls a fast one
By Syed Saleem Shahzad
more at http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IK17Df04.html

Last sentence of the above article:

“Either way, Negroponte knows that he will be dealing with Musharraf, who for now has effectively sidelined the opposition.”

Note: This guy (Shehzad) is believed by some to be the mouth piece for the CIA.

@ nota

if this is true than BB has got a taste of her own medicine :). she pulled a fast one with her party and opposition by getting into negotiations with the dictator.

Please do send a protest email to
aajcomments@aaj.tv
against their signing of PEMRA Ordinance

I dont agree with this - it looks like this article has been written by ISI. BB would have never ever liked to become caretaker Prime Minister - why would she be - she would like to fight general elections - this is nothing but a wishful thinking.

Yes its true that ISI would have managed MMA and PML Q for seat to seat adjustment - that can be 100 percent true but about BB it is just a figement of imagination and disinformation.

If she had accepted to be caretaker Prime Minister she would have put the last nail in teh coffin of her political career. She can never ever afford that. It is simply unbeleivable that she would be so stupid to agree to this arrangment.

If you agree with my draft email below, please send to aajcomments@aaj.tv following agreement by Aaj to sign upto Pemra (Draconian) ordinance.

Dear editor

It was pleasant to note that Aaj TV was back on air. However i understand that this was only after signing the highly controversial Pemra ordinance. In addition i understand that you will not broadcast ‘live with talat’ and ‘bolta pakistan’.

It appears that you hace overlooked the interest of us, the viewers. Also, your actions will pave the way of killing the true journalism in Pakistan.

I have discontinued my Aaaj tv subscription from jumptv.com with immediate effect and will also not tune into your TV channel or even visit Aaj website until your actions are reversed.

Yours faithfully
[Name]

oh does it say BB being caretaker PM. i thought it says making caretaker govt. with PPPPs advice. Sorry, i think i misunderstood the premises

Pakistani American from various walks of life will protest at the WHITE HOUSE in Washington DC.

Date: Saturday, November 17th
Time: 2:00 PM

Please join to protest suspension of Constitution, Judiciary and Media in our beloved Pakistan.

@chussain

You are right. ISI/CIA - what’s the difference? That is why I put the “note” about Shahzad in the end. Even before this new setup BB was making very strong statements against Mush so the idea of BB as interim PM is preposterous. I think Shahzad really let it slip in the last sentence quoted above.

As an ex-member of IJT, I would like to say that I am ashamed of what Jamiat did to Imran at the PU. I feel that this is a black spot on IJT’s identity, which has always been in the forefront of struggles against all dictators.
At the same time we must acknowledge that JI has come out very strongly to condemn IJT, there has been a suspension of 17 people already, and there is a spontaneous outpouring of support and concern for Imran from ex-IJT members, which is reflected in PTI website.

are we seeing the gradual extinction of the ray of hope?

the lawyers and media are heroes but will they be like tragic heroes?

These heroes are greater than of those who sacrificed for democracy in Europe. why? Because in the 17th/ 18th/ 19th century Europe the State was not as powerful as it is today. There was no USA to secretly support the dictators. Our heroes have struggeled against far more powerful State.

Alas! the real force has not come out - public…people…

no, there cannot be democracy until people come on the streets - at least once…

if masses are to be the source of power, they need to first show that they have this power…

perhaps our people are still not suppressed enough, exploited enough, looted enough…

or is that beacuse they believe in an afterlife, they always tolerate the suffering in this world with a hope that there will be justice in the other world…?
Is this the reason no Muslim country had a revolution for democracy?

But, perhaps we have, or are, only losing a battle not war….just like 1857 became a milestone…just like the struggle of Tipu Sultan became a milestone…but freedom came much later…

perhaps 2007 will also become a milestone and it will be remembered not as the year when hope was extinguished but when it was first created…

I hope…

Tipu

“Imran shifted to Dera Ghazi Khan jail”

Oh so now he is under the guard of Farooq Leghari or his cousin Distt Nazim Maqsood Leghari, brother of Mansoor Leghari(who just returned to the country, thanks to the NRO) who is probably with BB right now campaigning for a PPP MPA ticket…

we in USA were able to see how imrans sisters were manhandled by male cops……
male cops pushed , shoved , dragged them on the street, and finally lifted them and threw them in the police van…..
shame on pakistan police…..
they are not just imrans sisters they are our sisters…is anyone bay ghairat enough to take this sitting down………

in habib jalibs words:

dartay hain bandouqoun walay
eik nehati larki say

would mushy like to see his sisters dragged on streets by cops? shame on mushy….

i failed to record it….if geo shows it again i will record it and post it….or if geo walas can post it themselves…..

according to harun rasheed (columnist) the women being arrested also included former ameer jamat e islami Mian Tufails daughters as well….another slap on jamiats face

Imran Khan - Pakistan’s Future
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2572&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

Man, this is sad…Of all the people, at least don’t l*ck Durrani’s boot’s:

Chairman PCP Javed Iqbal calls on Minister Durrani
http://www.app.com.pk/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20987&Itemid=2

Please send your cooments to AJJ Tv for not showing Talat online, and bolta pakistan in result of the deal they had with mush.
Shame on them
Email: aajcomments@aaj.tv

Forgot to mention on fact about D G Khan Distt Nazim Maqsood Leghari - I don’t remember which party he belongs to right now (since they change so often) but he won the election with the support of PML-Q AND with a deal with PML-N Punjab President Zulfiqar Khosa, who, like Farooq Leghari, used to be PPP. Maqsood and Mansoor also were with PPP but joined PML-Nawaz the night before Mush’s first coup. Talk about lousy timing…

So this is a microcosm of Pakitani politics today…

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iShah

Imran Khan has been prisoned under anti terrorist act of PAKISTAN!!!!!
- If Speaking and Supporting of Independent Judicial system is AOT (act of terrorism), then we all are terrorists.
- If supporting the suppressed is AOT, then we all are terrorists.
- If fighting for justice is AOT, then we all are terrorists.
- If fighting against Dictatorship is AOT, then we all are terrorists.
- If fighting for our Fundamental rights is AOT then we all are Terrorists.
- If Freedom of Speech is AOT, then we all are terrorists.
Imran is the only true representative of us, students, lawyers, rich, poor, women, children, and every true Pakistani. we will not stop supporting till we have last drop of blood in ourself, Insha Allah. May Allah (swt) give him strength and wisdom to lead us out of this turmoil. AAMIN

Winding Back Martial Law in Pakistan: ICG Report
Download complete report in pdf from http://www.crisisgroup.org/library/documents/asia/south_asia/b70_winding_back_martial_law_in_pakistan.pdf

“General Pervez Musharraf imposed martial law in Pakistan on 3 November 2007. He suspended the constitution, sacked the chief justice of the Supreme Court and removed other judges of that court who declared his act illegal. Police immediately began arresting lawyers, politicians and human rights activists. Independent television channels were taken off the air and reporting restrictions imposed. Thousands have since been jailed, journalists threatened and protests by lawyers and others suppressed. Replacing dissenting judges with hand-picked appointees, and ruling by decree, Musharraf’s objective is to retain personal power by gaining judicial approval for martial law, followed by the creation of a democratic façade through rigged elections. The international community should demand the immediate restoration of constitutional order, the rule of law and the legitimate judiciary, the release of political prisoners and the appointment of an impartial caretaker government to oversee free and fair elections.”

register your comments on Aaj website http://www.aaj.tv/contactus.php or by email marketing@aaj.tv

Dear editor

It was pleasant to note that Aaj TV was back on air. However i understand that this was only after signing the highly controversial Pemra ordinance. In addition i understand that you will not broadcast ‘live with talat’ and ‘bolta pakistan’.

It appears that you hace overlooked the interest of us, the viewers. Also, your actions will pave the way of killing the true journalism in Pakistan.

I have discontinued my Aaaj tv subscription from jumptv.com with immediate effect and will also not tune into your TV channel or even visit Aaj website until your actions are reversed.

Americans must be rolling over with laughter, especially since these words came not from one-call Mush but from the from the mouth of lady killer Shauki …

Pakistan warns US it won’t be bossed around
http://news.aaj.tv/news.php?pg=0&show=detail&nid=3
ISLAMABAD ( 2007-11-16 14:57:06 ) :
Outgoing premier Shaukat Aziz warned on Friday that Islamabad would not be bossed around as top US diplomat John Negroponte headed to Pakistan to press for an end to emergency rule.

@nota
This is exteremely disappointing. I saluted Javed Iqbal for his courage. But now I am feeling ashamed. This man has proved me twice wrong, first I kept writing about him that he is the pro-general judge and then when he did not took oath, I thought I was wrong about him and now when has accepted the job of PCP chairman I feel I was wrong again.
Now this guy gave a judgment , which has his signature saying that the PCO was illegal , unconstitutional and anybody taking orders this PCO will be committing an illegal. I can not believe that a person who has given such judgment can accept the notification of the government who is running under the PCO. He has committed a graver sin then I thought. I would consider Hameed Dogar at least only a criminal , but he is both hypocrite and a criminal.

Correction:
In the post “Imran shifted to Dera Ghazi Khan jail� above, read:
campaigning for a PPP MPA ticket…
as:
campaigning for a PPP MNA ticket…

Friends any new about His Master Negroponte ? Has he arrived in Pakistan? whom he is meeting ?

According to AP he has arrived but “his schedule is uncertain.”
http://www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=7370178

why are we discussing these topics still?
Is writing not on the wall?
Tell me where is the hope? The opposition? The army coup? The US/UK? BB?

If we want to do anything, lets discuss how to create political awareness among the masses. How to help them see that it does matter if there is dictatoship or democracy? Help them realise that there is something called their Rights. Help them see that the army which they see as solution is actually the problem.

A tiny portion of politically aware lawyers and media is not enough….they can be crushed…

take this as the begiining of a long struggle…but we must start to concentrate on political education among masses..

Tipu

@tipu
I agree with you….lets see the winter break starts soon…..can the students go out to the villages and spread political awareness in them… tell them not to vote for same old ppl…tell them to hold their reps accountable….. can you do that? if no then sit down with ur cup of tea….

@zsaroah

dont know whether you wrote tounge in cheek…
but yes, this is one of the ways….
thsi is almost what had happened in Cuba,,,
but forget villages…cities are as much in need of political education…
look at Karachi…I noticed that on BBC and other places all almost all the Mush support comes from there…
and even on this forum…

perhaps we can start with our friends and families…
we talk about th situation…not just who is good and who is not…but talk about ideas..
make people see th meaning of RIGHTS, of having a say in their governanace, meaning of rule of law…

Tipu

http://express.com.pk/epaper/index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=Editorial_PAGE&Date=20071116&Pageno=12&View=1%20id=

Thought provoking columns for people who believe in politics of power by Javed Chaudhry & Haroon Rasheed.
Please read it some very good gournalists.

Fazlu asks US for the restoration of of democracy.
When somebody asked Fazlu, But what you are doing, he replied, “Halwey ka intizam”

ajj tv ? from today its kaal tv and now you can watch the programs likes live with musharaf and bolta GHQ.and begam musharaf ali it would be fun thugh.

@tipu

the minimum people can do is to strongly protest at the way imrans sisters were manhandled…

3 Judges rfused the hearing.
Yesterday ISI blacmailed the Judges.
Today Judges are blackmaing ISI.
six-nine at its best, aaj hi daikhiye SC Vs ISI.

What Jamiat has done to Imran khan was completely disgusting it shows that we are living in country full of thugs. Being Sindhi, I have no sympathy to Banzir or any politicians in Pakistan but I am a great admirer of Imran Khan. I hope he is in good condition

@Tipu

I think this should be the next step to educate the common people.

Our first task should be to get rid of this martial law.

Surely we can blame political parties for keeping the common people ignorant of their rights etc. But in 60 years only one national assembly has completed its tenure (under the umbrella of army) and at the end they don’t wanna face common people. They need martial law once again.

This Gen P.M. has destroyed all the institutes. Judiciary was active for a couple of months in 60 years and it was unacceptable for all the mafias in Pakistan. We need at least twice free and fair elections and a peaceful transfer of power and it can make a difference.

iShah

@ tipu
when I said villages there are two reasons for that..
1. mushy claims, probably rightly so, that he has big support in villages. Why ? because the village ppl dont care about law, constitution, human rights etc…for them it is obeying the chuadhry that is imp…

2.as for cities, karachi in my eyes is no longer a part of pakistan as far as national politics is concerned. MQM made sure do dis-associate karachiites from rest of pakistan….why they support mushy? because he is a mohajir…that is the only reason… being an urdu speaking i know how racist we can be when it comes to other people( i am not mohajir as i never migrated…i am a urdu speaking punjabi)….
minus karachi if the rest of the cities can show their disgust at the events… bringing about a change atleast in the cities , then it may become a starting point….

@Soomro

You are right, we are realy passing thru a transition(not Mush fame transition). And as we have seen a big anti-jaamiat protest in PU(where literaly without the permission of Jamiat Goons Chiriyya bhi per nahi maar sakti). So We too are praying for IK, May Allah bless him & protect him from MQM&JI Goons. Ameen

I agree…
with TV now down…
perhaps Internet is the best way forward…
This website has now become even more important…
can we get more and more people involved in such e-communications?
And perhaps more such discissio groups can be opened…
especiall among the youth…INternet can be a great medium for political awareness…

I am a member of a yahoo group…and try to initiate political discussion there…Not very sucsessful…but th effort continues…

Tipu

@iShah

Guys here we are mixing two things education & awareness.

And we should use the word awareness instead of education. Because even our educated class has no awareness.

And we need to create awareness both in cities as well as villages.

In cities most importantly Karachi & in villages most importantly southern pujab, Frontoier , Balochistan & Sind.

In krachi people are educated but without awareness.
So insist on awareness instead of education…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kc_yrgaYTxU

Torture on IK family

Enough is enough

True, Pakistani nation can sell their mother for a small profit

We did so that yesterday, we let our police humiliate our nation’s great hero family and we were just watching TV

IK, please leave this bloody Pakistan, we can take it any more we don’t deserve you, why the hell you don’t understand. We are born to be ruled by tyrants.

Pakistan Tehree-e-Insaaf organized a black day today. For the consecutive second day, students at Punjab university in a big number protested in support of Imran Khan and against dictatorship of Musharraf and Jamait.

@Asif

you’re right. May be my selection of words was not appropriate.

I think electronic media can play a vital role to create this awareness and exactly that’s the reason behind the blackout of media.

The electronic media of whole country if off air but the FM radio of Fazalullah is still working and Core Commander Pesahawar says that its technically difficult to block FM radion transmissions. On one side the import of dishes and receivers is banned but the army can’t block a FM radion because it suites them.

iShah

@Atif

We understand the agony thru which you & me too are passing. I am proud on IK that hes initiated a new spirit in our youth, especially in our biggest & oldest Universuty, that was kidnapped by JI Goons. Don’t disheart man, its time to be persistant with what we can do in our capacities.
Zulm phir zulm hai bharta hai to mit jata hai.

@Asif
mush is a son of …
his family should also be dragged like this and thrown in the arabian sea.

@iShah

Being an electric engineer I know its very simple to jam the FM transmission. The only thing one has to do is transmit noise on the same frequency with a higher power. FM reciever all the way accepts only the signals of higher rejecting the lower power.
And our forces has very good engineers too. Its just propaganda to fool a common man. nothing else.

I agree with you on the role of electronic meida in creating awareness & making public opinion visible. Hope we would be back on track very soon. InshAllah.

the Utube video is horrific….
bu here is an opportunity…
there are no bearded men of veiled women…
these are clearly educated, modern men and, particularly women, who are being beaten….
share this with our western frinds and, if possible, media….
our regime needs to be discredited in he eyes o western public…

tipu

Guys, don’t lose hope. I have just heard on Geo that PTI lahore president said that IK will return to PU to address the students once he is free. IK has said no matter what happens, he will not back down from mobilizing the youth and students.

As i always say, this is one Lion of Pakistan who doesnt know how to quite : ).

Jamiat/JI and MQM are the same. I understood that after closely looking at the leadership of Jamiat. They target urdu speaking community and tell them that they will be treated better once their PHILOSOPHY is imposed on everyone.

JI used to win most seats of Karachi, now MQM does. When MQM boycotted elections last time, JI won in Karachi, Not PML or PPP.

Disillusioned young guys are told that they are not being treated fairly and they need to rise up against the system (it is a smart way to use violence against others and support agencies).

Jamiat and MQM both have ‘Bhai culture’. They target the people who are not happy with their lives and need some EXTRA IDENTITY.

Both parties often have to co-operate with agencies because they have too many criminals to protect.

This factor will always keep Jamiat and MQM a Goonda force and never a proper mainstream party.

I fear for IK’s life…
he is the only one who can be a real alternative to the ‘easy to buy’ politicians…
and beacuse of this he must be the real future threat for the US’s interest in Pakistan…they might be thinking of him as the next Bhutto…

Tipu

@Atif @Tipu

worst video footage i have ever seen. you are right educated normal women dragged and beaten by male police…. i literally have tears in my eyes hearing the screams of women….

I am so shameful of being a pakistani today and i dont have words to explain this. despite everything i have never uttered a bad word against army….and today after watching this i really dont have words to condemn them.

Mush and Cheap Minister of Punjab….. i wish there sisters and daughters are dragged like this?

This is a disgrace for all Pakistanis,for the mistreatment of Imran Khan and his Sisters. Unless we stand up and protest, the same will happen to our sisters, daughters and mothers…

@ tipu

US and others will definitely see IK as the most revolutionary leader after ZA Bhutto. But rest assured, they cannot take out IK as easily as they did with Bhutto. World Politics have changed a lot since then.

i used to (and still) hate MQM for their facist activities.

but for once i feel happy with them when i think that…… some years ago in Karachi they gave IJT same treatment as IJT are known for and what we saw in PU yesterday.

Long live IK.

@ Malek

MQM and IJT are the same. That is why they fear each other and hate each other. Read what i wrote about their similarities @ 3.49 pm

@farhan..
I can only hope that you are right…
tipu

@Kami
i did read your coments. and i fully agree

in addition they have very limited following and a very closed internal group. they will therefore never become mainstream political parties but stay as facist organisations

Everyone, I know most of you must have already heard Mush’s comments on Negroponte’s visit. But i would like to know your thoughts on it.

According to Geo, Mush has said that he will tell Negroponte that ’sab se pehle pakistan’, in other words he will not list emergency and won’t listen to the US and his ‘good friend’ Bush.

So Mush is on a direct collision course with the US. US won’t like this. I like everyone else believe Mush’s days are numbered as he is already facing hostility inside Paksitan as well.

How do you all think this will end? Like Zia?

Welcome to Kingdom of Mushkistan!!!

@farhan

I think we should not spent to much time on negative thinking which can harm even us. So I should not go for any speculation about the fall of Mush. Its enough for us that positive force have done all this & our concern should be that no one highjack the efforts of sincere people.

Because MMA&MQM are very cunny organised set of Goons, they will do their best to highjack it, we should be aware of this.