“Yes I did break the law on November 3rd [2007] but not before that.”

“Yes I did break the law on November 3rd [2007] but not before that”…yea right you did it once you’ll do that again

Mush…………is a shameless………..ba—-rd

same thing he said when he didnt take off his uniform the first time he promised. “I have never vroken any promise but this one time I have to” lol what a joke.he will not brake law or promises but every 5 years when its time for him to go.very reasonable lol

There is a nice interview (video) on http://www.bbc.co.uk. Can comeone please embed that?

Regards,
Raja

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7100000/newsid_7100400?redirect=7100410.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&nbram=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&asb=1

Musharraf’s Interview

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7090000/newsid_7099600?redirect=7099600.stm&news=1&bbram=1&nbram=1&bbwm=1&nbwm=1&asb=1

I had written yesterday in this forum that by admitting that he had acted unconsitutionally on Nov 3 he has written an epitaph for himself because he has admitted on television which is a an offical record that he acted unconsitutionally. He would no doubt be tried under Article 6 the day he leaves the office. So from now on he should not concentrate on negogiating how to prolong his rule but how to exit without being charged under Article 6.

Please read NS article which was published in The News courtesy Washington post

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11216

Musharaf ’s brutality:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2212873,00.html

Tribute video to Lawyers, students and civil society

http://www.BoltaPakistan.com

if you want to watch Geo go to http://www.geo.tv and click web tv. I think it is free for Pakistan…

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-brooks15nov15,0,7992029.column?coll=la-opinion-center

It’s not just Musharraf admitting to going against the constitution (by the way isn’t that treason?). Now his AG is saying the NRO is illegal (”legally invalid” as he puts it)…

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2891041.ece

In teh article above its very clear that Justice Dogar and Abassi had given information about the verdict of Supreme Court to Gen Musharraf and the decision of Emergency was taken in a meeting in which Gen Kiyani was also present. There is no doubt that army at least the top generals are involved in backing, implementing and executing PCO and therefore he would never back down and dump Musharraf UNLESS PEOPLE COME ON STREETS IN MILLIONS.

Thats why BB has gone back to Karachi as a first step to diffuse the situation and Emergency would also be lifted but with one condition that judiciary would not be restored.

The goverment wants to scrap NRO but the problem is that MQM which benefited most from it would go behind PPP and against goverment. So at present the goverment cannot dare to do so.

There is no doubt METHOD IN THIS MADNESS

However history has shown that whoever has gone against judiciary has to leave the office

1. BB tried to suspend 42 judges and appointed justice Sajaad Ali shah - all had to go

2. NS tried to cow down judiciary and engineered a judical coup by other members of judiciary - and he was out

3. Now Pervaiz Musharraf - his time is also over

same analogy can be used for media. but the difference is that this time the govt. is Army

and history tells us that anti army movement was indeed supported by US at that time

So what is the role of US now, can be an answer

and further history tells that US pittos are taken off by awami revolution and this requires people coming in street, civil disobedience…

Its a shame on the muslim kingdoms like UAE and KSA to support a international terrorist president by 1st ciricising our honourable Supreme Court in Pakistani Soil by Saudi Royal family member and then took back Nawaz Sharif illegally.
Again another Kingdom of UAE off Air pakistani channels Geo & ARY which is high handedness by authorities which is clear indication that either a dictator or King can do whatever they want without any ethical norms of the world which is now a global village.
i think that Musharraf can do onething to kill 160 million PAKIS so he will have no future problem from the nation which is continously suffering from last 60 years

there is still hope fo Geo…
http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/18/top8.htm

take the pics of general off …..plz

indians know much better how to treta national hero..goof post written by fellow indian

http://churumuri.wordpress.com/2007/11/17/what-if-imran-khan-were-prime-minister-of-india/

I don’t think it is correct that BB ever tried to remove 42 or any judges. She appoint judges which were removed by the Supreme Court during NS’s time in the infamous “Judges Case” (infamous because the Supreme Court having removed the Judges BB appointed and then its own Chief Justice never followed the principles again and never even took up Petitions filed by a number of people asking for the Judgement to be enforced in cases thereafter).

Is geo news back? just watched geo news on tv

Very Very bad and sad news for me and for my others Pakistani ‘JEO LOVWERS’,Those live in ITALIA.In the country of outside,only we listen to ‘JEO NEWS’ and look the ours favourit programmes, ‘MERY MUTABIQ’ ,CAPITAL TALK SHOW’ HUM SUB UMID SE HAIN AND KAMRAN KHAN KE SAATH.These programmes are most favourite in Euorpe countries.Dr.Shahid Masood,Hamid mir,Kamran Khan and Mushtaq Ahmad very very excalent person in GEO and in Pakistan.In which country, Dr.Abdul Qadeer Khan has gone arrested,where these personality has been also dis-honourable announced,Because Mr,GOURBA CHOUF WANTED TO ALL PAKISTAN DISHONOURED.
JEO and JEENE DO!

SYED MUNIR AHMAD
PRATO,ITALIA.

Freedom doesn’t come easy
By Ayaz Amir
http://dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm

Conformed intellegence Reports that:-
———————————–

BB will be silence in favour of Mush again , so called emergency will be remove before election , ISI made parties party PPP and PML(Q) will make Govt.

Long March……………………………………………………..topi drama?????????????????????????????

Haroon Rashid’s article on IJT’s role in IK - “Hmaaqat”

http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=National_PAGE&Date=20071118&Pageno=3&View=1%20id=

Hey Asif,

Can you explain the origin of these words “Topi Drama” and “Noora Kushti”. I mean the etymology of these words?

“BB will be silence in favour of Mush again , so called emergency will be remove before election , ISI made parties party PPP and PML(Q) will make Govt.”

If true then question is who ISI is to decide who comes in Govt???? Are they god of Pakistan?

This country is of all Pakistanis and ISI is not Lord in any case!! why? Do they have any certificate for being controller of people of Pakistan! All people are given intellect by Allah almighty and not only ISI, Mr. Musharaf or Army!!!!!!!!!!

We respect Army, ISI and others since they are our brothers and sisters but we will not allow them hijacking whole nation, not at all.

If Army, ISI and others are sincere to Pakistan and Pakistanis then come to people, listen to them, stand along with them and stop coward, nonsense and short lived politics in the name of protection of Pakistan.

Let me assure you that after Allah, these are people of Pakistan who can safeguard Pakistan and stand firm behind Pk Army. Neither your hidden plans, neither your divide and conquer policy, nor USA/UK, nor weapons of Army, nor your puppet politicians, nor your diplomacy(rather hypocrisy most of the time) can do it….

Look my dear ISI and PAk Army, if you think that you fight against wishes of own people then you have lost that war even if you win it somehow! And when you will come back after winning or losing then you will find not anyone to cheer you!

If you lose, which most probably you will do, then neither USA will help nor your own people. That you can better imagine.

May Allah guide and help us. Aamin.

Everyone please help Geo News and ARY ONE WORLD by writing to Dubai Media City authorities their E-mail address are:
info@dubaimediacity.ae, sales@dubaimediacity.ae

Here is the original post (there is a sample e-mail, you can model yours on it if you want).
http://free-pakistan.blogspot.com/2007/11/write-to-media-authorities-in-dubai.html

Balouch where did you get the news from?

The dictator has admitted his mistake on tv breaking the law and constitution,- his predecessor ( TALWAR UL HAQ ) had said that constiution is a piece of paper ( ya koi asmani seheifa nahi hay)but mind u the man is with a gun, the day he drops it, people should cry out to try him with high treason.
And by the way did any body watched Mushaid Hussain Syed ( SPIN DOC. of QA ta league) said… he wants tv channels to be restored and thinks that elections under emergency will not be credible.. he forgot that his Qa ta league had advocated in favour of emergency..so who is fooling !!!

Khaleej Times

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/opinion/2007/November/opinion_November61.xml&section=opinion&col=

Baluch didnt get news from anywhere. He himself has connections with ISI I think that is expert in spreading disinformation

Musharraf is sending two delegations - one to US and one to UK - he thinks he can fool them - he is living in his own delusionary world

Khaleej Times Editorial

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/editorial/2007/November/editorial_November39.xml&section=editorial&col=

END OF ROAD FOR GENERAL

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/editorial/2007/November/editorial_November31.xml&section=editorial&col=

Imran Khan

A hero welcome?

Khaleej Times

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=&section=editorial&xfile=data/editorial/2007/November/editorial_November36.xml

A Band Aid from America - can it treat Cancer in Pakistan

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/ColumnistHomeNew.asp?section=mjakbar&col=yes

Read in Khaleej Times

Where is long march…………….gone with the wind…………….

It is often said that nations have no permanent friends or enemies; they only have permanent interests. Their friends and enemies are as variable as global warming, but Musharraf and Benazir do have one trait in common: permanent individual self-interest.

@ Asif

Like I have maintained bro, you can never ever trust BB and fazlu diesel. Whenever BB starts to criticise Mush, her supporters waste no time in declating her a crusader for democracy. And then everything comes to a stop. Like it has again followed by Negroponte’s visit. I say it again, BB will once again take a u-turn that will leave her party and supporters baffled :). And then we’ll hear its all in the ‘name of smooth transition to democracy’.

IK InshAllah with your efforts Pakistan ill move forward.
Longlive IK

@farhan

I agree with you bro. BB opposing Mush to protect her vote bank, but I salute to IK whose persistance is denting not softly but very hard on their votebanks. Thats the only reason no one is talking abt IK……….
Longlive IK

@ Asif

IK is the biggest genuine threat to politicians since ZA Bhutto. They will never want IK to gain momentum. But everyone is making one mistake after the other. Be it Mush or BB or the MMA. All this is helping IK’s support in getting stronger.

The Path of a Patriot

http://pakspectator.blogspot.com/2007/11/path-of-patriot.html

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.pakistanis18nov18,0,2492884.story

U.S. aims to reshape Pakistan aid

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-pakaid18nov18,1,5811140.story?coll=la-headlines-world

Pakistan’s problems start at the top

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-op-hoodbhoy18nov18,1,2586197.story?coll=la-news-comment

Dubai bows to Pakistan TV censorship

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/greenslade/2007/11/dubai_bows_to_pakistan_tv_cens.html

‘Time for Musharraf to resign’

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/this_britain/article3172146.ece

The Path of a Patriot By Hassan Baig

http://micropakistan.org/blog/2007/11/18/the-path-of-a-patriot-by-hassan-baig/

Caretaking triggers another crisis

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C11%5C18%5Cstory_18-11-2007_pg3_1

Dancing the Dance: US Diplomacy and Pakistan

http://hir.harvard.edu/blog/?p=246

The spirit of 2007

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=81309

Martial law in Pakistan:
a side of ‘antiterror’ war

http://www.themilitant.com/2007/7144/714420.html

Imran Khan is one of 25,000 jailed innocents

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?
xml=/news/2007/11/18/wpak318.xml

Always more to Khan than playboy image revealed

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/always-more-to-khan-than-playboy-image-revealed/2007/11/15/1194766868466.html

Hi,

I attended a rally against Musharraf infront of the White House yesterday. I have taken some pictures and wuld like to contribute to this site. Can you give me admin’s email address please?

@ammer
Please email the picture to admin@pkpolitics.com with a subject: Protest Pictures
Admin

US has given Musharraf only that much time in which he can get his Presidential Election validated from Supreme Court. Once that is done then other things would be taken care of.

Also SC is going to validate emergency and then it would be lifted but it would lifted only half way between elections so that opposition has no time to prepare.

So if political parties take part in elections then they would lose because they would be considered as being toeing the line of goverment.

There is only one way to deal with this - BOYCOTT ELECTIONS UNLESS

1. EMERGENGY IS LIFTED
2. JUDICIARY IS REINSTATED
3. CARETAKER GOVERMNET IS DISBANDED
4. ELECTION COMMISSION IS RESTRUCTURED AND ALL PRESENT PEOPLE ARE THRWON OUT
5. DISTRICT GOVERMENTS ARE EITHER SUSPENDED TO DISBANDED AND THEIR ELECTIONS SHOULD BE AFTER GENERAL ELECTIONS
6. ALL CURBS FROM MEDIA IS LIBERATED
7. LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST - MUSHARRAF STEPS DOWN

Videos of Protest against Martial Law in Toronto Saturday Nov 17, 2007.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjhuOQhc1is

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT1H4Y_dgqo

Part 3: People came for Geo too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv9Piz8rpyo

Part 4: Adil Rashidi of Geo News Addressing the protest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00VmchhQVh8

Part 5: Mir Ibrahim’s Message was read
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaVmGiXsNLA

Part 6: Media Representative telling his experience while in Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAP5Yf_c304

Gen Sahab said in his press conference that there was also an issue of vulgarity in our channels like geo and others. Now what has happened all indian channels, movies with semi-nude dances are on air in pakistan except geo, ary and others. Surely geo and ary were better than these indian channels.

Wolf eats the lamd inspite of all the logical arguments by the lamb.

You government servants at work:
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/upload/rte/Army%20firing%20in%20white%20clothes%2017-11-2007.gif

Note the plain clothes and the “nakab”.

Trying to post the pick linked above

GEO NEWS is back???? We can see GEO NEWS on GEO UK ? they are showing GEO news on it !

Is this how the general diverts our attention?

Scores killed in sectarian violence in Pakistan
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/18/asia/pakistan.php

ISLAMABAD: Fierce battles between Sunni and Shiite Muslims in Pakistan’s volatile northwest have left 91 people dead, officials said Sunday, despite the imposition of a state of emergency justified in part by the need to quell sectarian unrest.

Combatants used mortars and other heavy weapons in the Shiite-majority town of Parachinar late Saturday and early Sunday, an intelligence official told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

I met Amir Ghuri (Geo’s europe representative) at London protest. He claimed that Geo has been allowed to show 5 minutes every hour and just general reports. No commentary, talk show etc is allowed.

He said talks are going on with UAE authorities and if they don’t allow, GEO will move to the UK. He said it would be difficult (visa and expensive) to frequently invite people to London but at least they would be able to do many things.

I think that Geo can still record things in Dubai and even Pakistan and they can go on air from London. Nobody can do anything if you are interviewing someone in a house or hotel.

@nota

You are right, madcow is taking the advantage of no media & diverting the attention to sectarian clashes. I think theres no such kind of clashes in Pak for quite sometime.

Hes killing the ppl by himself & portraying it as a civil war.
Power-Hungry-Dracola………..

May Allah bless us from the crimes of this madcow

US already looking past Mush past BB???

Looking Beyond Bhutto
The New Republic: Former Pakistani Prime Minister Better Than Musharraf, But Not Permanently
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/opinion/main3514805.shtml
….
But because she’s a creature of the past, she also embodies Pakistan’s worst, most embedded vices.
….
As a result, if Bhutto were to assume power again, it should only be seen as a short-term solution — for her country and for the United States.
….

Yes that is true - they can still record in Pakistan and Dubai and they can air it from London - so simple - the only thing would be delay in that but other than that there would be no problem at all.

Yes visa and travel would be a question but I think Geo can make the channel subscription and that can take care of funds.

Plus if pakistanis know that Geo is giving then all they need - I am sure everyone would like it to subscribe.

Just a note about my last post:
Although featured on CBS News site, the article is from “The New Republic” which is a right-wing conservative mag…

Whenever any american visits Pakistan there are killings - as if Musharraf sets up blood for Durga Mai or Kali Devi who can only quench its thirst by blood and nothing else

American is now so used to shedding blood after war in Iraq and before that in Vietnam and Central America that for it its nothing but just clones being terminated like in Terminator Movie - thats probably why that guy eventually became Governer of California

Videos of Protest against Martial Law in Toronto Saturday Nov 17, 2007.

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjhuOQhc1is

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT1H4Y_dgqo

Part 3: People came for Geo too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv9Piz8rpyo

Part 4: Adil Rashidi of Geo News Addressing the protest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00VmchhQVh8

Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaVmGiXsNLA

Part 6: Media Representative telling his experience while in Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAP5Yf_c304

@Chussain
@Dynx
@Zaheer

My source is one of Anty Mush , buddy you may say one pearl in MUD. Today King of Politician joker Shujat told I will tell to Dictator mush that remove emergency before Election .

Dear CHUSSAIN im not informer, employ or supporter of any ISI wing

Zaheer i agree with your cooments But sorry to say you sound like a ….. Ofcourse Allha subantala is great but he has given us sence , power and all, we can sturggle , we can protest and make grounds for downing a dictator and ISI , but what we doing you did not see hyporeats jamiat peoples they help govt to arrest a honest person IMRAN KHAN and honestly tell me what we doing in Pakistan , how many people on street for protest against so called emergency and dictatorship…. from 17 crore peple not more then 30000 is protesting ???
we shuold pray and do whatever we can do to motivate all peoples to come and stand against so called emergency and like others says we have to send emails to concerned for Geo, and all .
in last i must say I am supporter of Real democracy and Pakistan not Faujistan

i understand BB has gone to Karachi. there are also rumours that she is now ‘travelling’ to Dubai?

what does this mean immediately after US visitor. it seems she has maintained her status of being a ‘dealer’

@Balouch
30000 peoples protest almost represent 30000 families protest that is not a small protest my friend; keep in mind that all this is happening in martial law i.e. a rule worst than a jungle.

Shes blackmailing madcow by giving statements against him to get a better share. Because she didn’t even act on her moves agianst madcow & its been going on for quite some time.
Bloodshed is at worst in North & shes busy in press-conferences, nothingelse. Being the leader of one of the major parties shes unable to take a firm decision & be persistant with it.
Except IK everyone is busy in making some kind of hidden-talks for power share.

@zenith

advocate of modernisation talk about vulgarity very sham on him, look at his character and how he is changing his faces to oppose vulgarity.

@zenith @T Babu

What we can expect from a madcow…..

definitely worth watching and pondering…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gjDqXBV0NZE

MAY ALLAH GUIDE US BACK TO THE RIGHT PATH - AMEEN.

Has the Journalist’s movement got its Naeem Bokhari? While on one side we have people like Dr. Shahid Masood, Talat Hussain, Ansar Abbasi, Hamid Mir, on the other we have Mubasher Lucman of Business Plus. I guess his *ss kissing finally paid off and has landed him a ministerial position in interim Punjab cabinet. He has always been pro-Mush but for 4 days in a row in early October he did his talk show with 4 pro-Mush guests and a pro-Mush audience hailing the great work done by Mush. Not a single critical thought was expressed.

@Balouch
Well, i have been part of the protest(on the street) and will be INSHALLAH in future too.
Yes, its true that Allah almighty has asked us to make struggle against injustice, cheating and liars and not to sit at home and pray only.
Response of the people against emergency has not been very bad either. However, it is not as intense as it should be. I feel that people of Pakistan are somehow a bit tired, they are sick of emotional slogans and also cheating of political parties has made them uncertain and suspicious.
I am quite optimistic that things are going to change and get clear very soon, INSHALLAH. People are thinking bravely and positive thinking is first step towards positive actions. Actually, people are just looking and analyzing everyone and events.
Keep your spirits high, momentum comes and TRUTH wins, it is born to win ultimately!

Is there any one now in the world who DOESN’T believe that the Bombing in Karachi on 18th October were not done by Mush& Co?

@M Tariq
it was done by Mush& Co. I am 1000% sure.

Qazi Hussain Ahmed visits Imran’s family and says he is shocked at what happened in Punjab University.

Also Pakistan Foreign Office has rejected apprehensions of USA regarding teh emergency and say these objections are nothing new.

BB has said she is not going to comment on the meeting of Musharraf and Negraponte and would see what steps Musharraf takes in this regards. She had decided to adopt wait and see policy for the time being.

Bombing in Karachi was done by MQM, agencies and Mush and company - no doubt about that =- thats why dont want Scotland Yard and FBI to investigate.

I know its a long struggle because the people who are at helm of affairs would not let it go that easily - because it severely hurt their interests - teh army is enjoying financially a lot under Musharraf and they would not like to rock the boat - the present policy is to prolong all this as much as possible in a view that this movement would fizzle out due to movement fatigue.

But we have to keep up the pressure and not them live in peace for even a single day and this pressure should increase day by day.

Inshallah Allah would award the victory of right path.

I feel sorry for IK… everybody will end up making compromises and getting their share out of the govt… he will be the only one standing alone… unless the people of Pakistan decide to stand with him and get rid of this whole mess… the army, establishment, corrupt politicians, landlords…

Qazi Hussain Ahmed visits Imran’s family and says he is shocked at what happened in Punjab University.
——————————————–

No two opinion about the munafqat.

@chussain

these mullahs are great munafics.

@KS

IK is not about power but a symbol of struggle & hope. Its a long struggle & IK knows it well. Because it needs time & patience to get rid of chronic disease.
Longlive IK

BB will scre*w up again for sure. Mark my words. This is again the same ‘wait and see’ policy that she adopted when there were rumors of The Deal.

I wonder where all BB supporters are. Earlier when we used to comment against her, there was always a response within minutes.

I am not mocking anyone. Everyone has a right to express themselves. but its a fact that NRO was impossible to defend, and now BB’s ‘careful approach’ once again will be difficult to defend.

@farhan

They are also acting on wait n see policy

PPP = Wait n See Party

a new addition in dictionery.

@ Asif

I don’t blame them. 2-3 days ago I said in discussions that BB will make a u-turn that will leave her supporters and party confused.

Its to early to say anything about her actions at the moment, but its a fact that her return was US sponsored and she cannot go against them : ). She’ll have to abide by whatever Negroponte’s instructions are for her. Just look at the facts, until 2 days ago she was screaming her head off againdt Mush. Now theres complete silence.

And Mind you, it’ll all be ‘in the name of smooth transition towards democracy’.

@Farhan

That PPP people was actually a one person with multiple IDs. Sometime even exchanging comment among his own IDs. Admn caught him. I would not doubt if he has been blocked from this forum. Anyway I suggest you not to invite such obnoxious people. There is no need to indulge into useless debate. Most people here are intelligent enough to make their own mind. This is not a village of big Chaudhry or a goth of a landlord Vdhayra.

Long March against emergency will continue until its ending.(BB)

With emergency BB meant the house arrest

Jiyalas have to learn her new dictionary.

@ Asif

I feel sorry for these Jiyalas. They blindly follow her and look at her political agenda :).

BB is just behaving as a leader of a virtual party.

Being a leader of larger party her moves should be swift & clear & not confused.

@ Asif

Yeah any swift action and Mush will cancel amnesty : ). He has already threatened her once in last 2 days.

US turns to army elite as Pakistan remains unstable

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2007/11/19/2003388489

Benazir Bhutto Slams Musharraf In New CNN Interview

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/18/benazir-bhutto-slams-mush_n_73166.html

Looking Beyond Bhutto

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/16/opinion/main3514805.shtml

Facebookers, bloggers fight Pakistan emergency

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i64vTXHkRTFOIpXrpl843N6QpPtw

@T Babu

But Bhutto is not the person to create the kind of democracy that would make Pakistan a more reliable ally in the long-term. Her traditional political style hasn’t ingratiated her to many educated Pakistani students, a vital group in an unusually young population — in a 2005 survey, 71 million of the country’s roughly 160 million people were under 18. Many of these students, the people who might break the country out of its feudal landlock, have turned instead to new political forces like Imran Khan, a magnetic former cricketer turned politician.

The former prime minister also does not seem to have learned much from her past travails. All the way through Musharraf’s term, she has continued to run her party, the Pakistan People’s Party, like a landlord or a queen, refusing to allow new blood and ideas to flourish. As the New York Times noted in a recent profile of Bhutto, she has appointed herself head of the party for life and has “frozen out” Aitzaz Ahsan, another leading member of her party who has led the lawyers’ protests against General Musharraf.

With so few Pakistan experts left in the administration, the United States might choose to rely solely on Bhutto, just as it did with Musharraf. That would be a mistake. Washington needs to build a relationship with a broader cross-sector of Pakistanis, like the students and lawyers who led protests while Bhutto was still in exile. Without that, America, just like average Pakistanis, will remain locked into a Sophie’s choice between generals and feudocrats.

@T Babu

Thanks for nice links

my prayers are with IK. He will be stronger than ever before, insha’Allah.

Getting rid of Mush harami is not enough. We must also ensure that our political system remains stable and independent after this. For this

We must condemn and resist the construction of new GHQ in Islamabad. Military leadership should be at least 100 KM away from Islamabad. Also the GHQ should be in centre of Pakistan Like DG Khan, Multan or Bahawalpur.

The role of spy agencies is deplorable in Pakistan. Their involvement in politics and efforts to destabilize democratic system is known to every one. These are also involved in terrorist activities like bomb blast in public places, suicide attacks, abduction, torture and killing of innocent people. ISI has offices in every tehsil and sub-tehsil of Pakistan. (whereas IB has offices in districts only). The funds of these agencies must be audited. Their offices especially ISI should be only in provincial capitals. The laws must be amended and involvement of any employee of these agencies in politics should be considered equal to treason and same punishment should be awarded as that of traitor.

For me terrorist is military and these agencies not Al-qaida as I am terrified by these not by Al-Qaida. This does not mean that I support Al-Qaida which actually is a terrorist organization “for Americans�.

I am afraid that Mush is going to cause a civil war in my country. If God-forbid this happens, the involvement of foreign powers is inevitable due to the presence of nuclear arsenal. I dont see any future for my children if Mush continues

http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/nov-2007/19/columns5.php

JI is not more than a pressure group, They cannot win more than a couple of seats solely. Thatswhy they do a politics of Alliance to get into power. They never fought an election under JI symbol.
A big question mark????????????

I second Imran Qureshi about the role of ISI but how can we control most of our incumbant politicians.
I remember in one of the episodes of Bolta Pakistan on Aaj TV, Nusrat Javed told that the day when Gen Kiyani was nominated as a next COAS, there were a few politicians went to congratulate him. We all know it would be more than the congratulations, I mean TC thing.

Is JI the name of change or statusco?
Longlive IK for denting the giant Goons.
Longlive IK

@gomushgo

your radio is not working. Iam using 512K connection and IE 7

Is your radio online?

Things look difficult as of now.. After Negroponte visit it seems US will continue backing Musharraf..They are just trying to get some parties to take part in elections.. MMA & PPP are there to oblige them.. Most of opposition to Mushi including lawyers are behind bars with no hope in foreseeable future of their release & clock is ticking for election.. Just pray for some divine intervention in next few days..

@Asif
I agree with you.

I think to bring our country on democracy is tough struggle but if all of us remained determined than one day (i think very soon) we can achieve this goal.

As we know that that the official idea of Pakistan was put forward in 1940 (off course the struggle for it is started long before it), it took 7 seven years to put in actual dream. During these seven years there always remained some rallys or gathering for the struggle of Pakistan. During that it never happened that all the people of india came on roads (as it is wished by us today in pakistan against the martial law).I think its a constant struggle we have not to give up even after election untill we achive the following goals.

1. Free and fair justice for each pakistani.
2. Free and fair media.
3. Good health and education for each Pakistani.
4. Get rid of Pak army ugly tricks to remain in power.
5. Get rid of secret agencies.

@Faisal

Its long-term struggle & PPP, which took a big U-turn to side with establisment to have a piece of cake.

Currently only PTI has a clear stance, while rest of all are non-political forces lawyers, students, civil society. Thatswhy we have to support IK whose the only politician whose there for the restoration of Judiciary & supermacy of law.

This was posted by someone at orkut..

Musharaf is ill and Dying
I read it on a blog and at first it seems as one of those propaganda against him but once i concentrate on what it said i was amazed. It said that Mush is not only dying politically but also physically. If you saw his latest video interviews or even his speech on 9 Nov you can easily see his “shivering hands, grinding teeth, loss of words. He doesn’t blink his eyes has lost control while speaking and his shoulders have drooped. his tolerance level has become short and the decision he is making show him crumbling from inside. such pathetic decision can only be made by an ill man.
May be the blood he has spill is taking its revenge

Atleast we should be thankful to BB for trying to bring back democracy….all you peaople have tried in last 8 years and didnt get anywhere….PPP is a peaceful party and will bring democracy with peacful means…..AND If you have the guts to through the Generals out then please try……….Guns,killing , blood means nothing to these army peoples ….they are trained for all these things……

Interesting comparison about the Shah of Iran and Mush.

Musharraf and the shah

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/15/opinion/edsick.php

@ gayan khan

‘Atleast we should be thankful to BB for trying to bring back democracy’

Can you please tell us all exactly when BB tried to bring back democracy : ).

she didnt come to APC London bcz she blieved that Mullahs are B Team of Mush…..it proved ….these Mullahs advised NS to comeback to pakistan and when he came they disappeared……one thing i have seen in pakistan that peaople will always say bad things abput PPP and BB …but ppp workers will always talk about goods of their party and dont care what others do…..so you guys should always try to be better than PPP and dont try to bring PPP to your low level……..PPP is goos and bad none of your business….its a political party……its noty in government….we are out pf power since 1996 so dont balme us for all the bad things….you guys had enough time over 10 years to bring change…..but sorry you guys were busy buying mobile phones, opening branded shops in pakisatn and watching indian channells on cable…… Really Sad…..and remember by talking bad about BB and PPP you will never get any support and will never be able to change the mind of even a single PPP worker…..

ASA
All plz watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH1CeEC-Ok8&feature=related

we are out pf power since 1996 so dont balme us for all the bad things
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You forgot one thing, you were not just out power but out of Pakistan too.
Being a political party which constructive role you performed during these so many years?

@ gayan khan

‘and remember by talking bad about BB and PPP you will never get any support and will never be able to change the mind of even a single PPP worker’

We dont have to try anything my friend. Your leader and her agendas are enough to fo that
: ).

And don’t even get us to start on post 1996 activities of BB. Does SGS/Cotecna ring a bell?