Important Events Today:
Protest at Common Wealth Office in London – 22 November 2007 @ 1300
Common Wealth Secretariat
Marlborough House, Pall Mall
London – SW1Y 5HX
Contact: Zubair Gul 07956453448
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Attacking Law and Lawyers
Judges and Lawyers: Defenders of Democratic Values
The Crisis in Pakistan is Our Crisis
Date: 22 November 2007
Time: 6.00pm
Venue: Law Society
There will be plenty of opportunity for questions, discussion and debate
The event is free. To register, please email DDelgado@barcouncil.org.uk
Domonique Delgado
HRLA Administrator
The General Council of the Bar
289-293 High Holborn
London WC1V 2HZ
Tel: 020 7242 1289
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BREAKING NEWS:
- Benazir gives green light to PPP workers to Participate in Elections without a constitution – Geo Reports
- Qazi Hussain Ahmad takes nomination papers for elections – Jang Reports
Click the “EMERGENCY” tab on the main page to access previous comments.
My special salutation to Justice Rana Bhagwan Das, who against all odds, rises to one of the highest post in his profession. Even more, he might have sacrificed a potential position as Chief Justice for the Truth and for this nation.
To the dictator and for every1,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5839233116413371954&q=Zain+Bhikha&total=643&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
The way the Musharraf regime, including the caretakers, is treating two of Pakistan’s undisputed heroes, icons in their own right — Imran Khan and Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan — is unforgivable and quite shameless
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=81967
“let the democratic system run and with passage of time the politicians will become polished and institutions strong”……..yeah right till then keep sitting while blood sucking politicians suck all the money out of Pak…..y shouldnt i be given chance till the “democratic values” mature and i transfer all funds to foriegn banks…….
To admin of this site……this site has become typical Mirc chat room…instead of concentarting on deleting comments from same person concentrate on the language being used here.
I am not anti democratic I am against the system that we think is democratic…..we live in the world where the symbol of justice UNO is being ruled by powerful countries with veto and injected aid.
The apathy amongst the university students has also been replaced by a new activism. It was heartening to note the large-scale protests, which brought in women students in large numbers also, in the Punjab University against the Jamiat students’ mistreatment of Imran Khan. Clearly, the terror of these hooligans and the mafia-like hold they have on that campus will not have the same relevancy anymore.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=81968
A recent anti Jamiat rally.I am so happy. A few members of Jamiat didn’t dare to come out. Protesters were showing them middle fingers!!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FLV23dtotMc&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b
@ Kami
I am not surprised the Jamaat hooligans didn’t dare to come out. Only people with strong values and faith have the courage to face challenges. Not these hypocrites.
Everyone, I cannot wait for Imran Khan to get out and go to PU again. The reception he will get will baffle the Bhuttos, the Qazis, the Fazlus.
I wonder wheres that Jamiat Media Front guy today. Would love to show him this video.
I’m amazed but I think the moment should not stop after demolishing Jamiat. We should not forget the primary target which is the restoration of democracy and judiciary
PU students have made us proud PU
Madcow knows very well about the popularity of IK among youth, so he would try his best to keep IK away from the youth.
Longlive IK
Tribute to students, judges, lawyers and civil society of Pakistan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv7YdFVe2Is
Please register your protest at and forward it to all you know.
http://www.BoltaPakistan.com
Generals+Mullas+Lotas+Corrupt Familial Politicians = Disaster for Pakistan
Free Judiciary+Free Media+Fair Politicians = Glory for Pakistan
Guys be ready for some Mush + Altaf lover to come and start to distract us. There haven’t been many today after admin’s warning to those who have multiple ids and try to spam the website.
A few days ago, one guy was supporting Jamiat with one ID and posting comments against some races in Pakistan with another ID. With the third ID he was writing against the Shias. He was Mush Altaf lover and wanted to distract us. I caught him because he was using one wesbsite and even that was wrong (it was just http://export). Haven’t seen him (or atleast those ids/incomplete website) since!!
Today some people might come and tell us that the US is with Mush so that we get demoralised. We know that already and we fought against corrupt generals after 9 march without US support and we will continue after 3rd november whatever the US decides.
There is God who is far more powerful than elephants of the world.
Puppet judges reject challenge to Pervez Musharraf
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2903477.ece
Mr Khan, 54, risked his freedom by appearing at the university because he wanted to kick-start a student movement. He seems to have got his wish. Each day since then, thousands have demonstrated on the Punjab University campuses, in scenes of student activism not witnessed in 30 years in Pakistan.
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1826122007
Imran Khan in high spirits: PTI leader
http://thepost.com.pk/ShortNewsT.aspx?shortid=4887&catid=2
It is stunnig and amazing to see the peaceful and forceful rally by the wonderful students , boys and girls alike. I hope to see all the student to join together for one purpose only, that is to restore the judiciary and have free and fair election. Uder independent judiciary and with fair and free election you can replace all the corrupted politicians and disgraceful leaders. I furhter hope that ordinary Pakistanis would be able to join the students along with Lawyers and other members of the civil society. Now the cuntry is asking for their sacrifices. Pakistan is in turmoil and serious touble and needs help I am sure, pretty soon the security personnels will be sympathetic and will join the opressed people and would not hurt their own fellow countrymen and women. Students have always been on the forefront and had sacrificed in the past, when their country needed them and once again your country needs you. You can free yourself and Pakistan from the current oppressors. I, however, would like to caution them to be be peaceful.
Please help me to deliver this important message to Imran Khan.
Dear Imran Khan
All Pakistan loving people loves you and pray for your health and long life. You have given us pride and hope. Pakistan needs a leader like you. We all want to follow you. Women and children would also do exactly what you ask them to do. To ask them to go on a hunger strike is no good idea. Allah has given us our lives, it is HIS amanat. We should all follow his instruction about how to live. Pakistan was also created in the name of Allah. Allah will help us to protect it. I request you in the name of Allah not to hunger strike anymore, but to do 40 ROZE instead. You should ask all Pakistan loving people to FAST with you instead of hunger strike. This was the path followed by all prophets of Allah. In that way Allah will be on our side, and we will succeed with the help of Allah!
I pray for your health, long life and success!
Allah hafiz
We know JI ppl do the politics of alliances becuase they can won more than a couple of seat alone.
If they are right representative of ppl do participate in election alone under the symbol of JI.
But they know that would be the last day for them in politics.
They are no more than a KGM (Kabza Group Mentality)
Longlive IK, they can’t even have a good sleep after Nov14.
@Xen
“I am not anti democratic I am against the system that we think is democratic…..we live in the world where the symbol of justice UNO is being ruled by powerful countries with veto and injected aid.”
Maybe you should have said “injected AIDS.” You are absolutely right and thanks for bringing up the point about UN. And it’s not just UN. It’s partners in crime are the IMF, WTO, and World Bank with off-springs like ADB, etc. UN is just the PR branch, hiding the wholesale robberies and genocides of the “developed” contries of the world.
All these organizations have very different agendas than advertised which a very little percentage of people are aware of. To get a sence about them you might go to “Water Privatisation: World Bank, IMF, WTO” at http://www.all4all.org/2006/10/2807.shtml. I suggest this link as it will also, if you think about it, shed some light on why Mush keeps pushing for dams like Kalabagh. Keep in mind all of them are supported by these four…
In the book “Unholy Trinity: The IMF, World Bank and WTO”, Richard “Peet explores the institutional histories of the three pillars of the global financial order, from their circumscribed beginnings at the post-war Bretton Woods Conference to their increasingly central role in many Third World economies in this detailed critique. As the IMF and World Bank condition their loans on far-reaching and draconian ”structural adjustment” programs, and the WTO acts as an unelected, super-government passing judgment on environmental regulations, labor standards and other supposed impediments to trade, Peet argues, these undemocratic organizations assert unprecedented levels of control over a wider and wider segment of the world’s population. While maintaining a Keynesian regulatory role over the world economy, he contends, these institutions have become standard-bearers for the neoliberal ideology favored by the ”Washington-Wall Street Alliance,” imposing on poor countries a regimen of free trade, government austerity, export-led development and deregulation and privatization of the economy. Such policies, he says, although convenient for international corporations and investors, have been disastrous for the people of these countries, resulting in slow growth, environmental devastation, and rising poverty and inequality.”
@ asif
have u forgotten ‘sahi’ who was saying the same things?? mod is loud then appeared with a different messages. when i drew attention to this, he disappeared. now after a gap, he has forgotten so he is writing with this name but repeating ‘sahi’s message. You were telling him ‘jee bar ke ro lo’.
i didn’t know that this besharam will come back, i just warned everyone @ 1.53.
Military Mulla Alliance is fully exposed. NS is distancing from Jamaat and MMA. They are highly hypocriotes and agents of Mush and USA.
Military Mulla Ittihad Thatha.
Mulla-Fauji are both butchers.
No doubt these MMA wala has become a symbol of hate along with Mush.
BB, NS and IK must unite to form a new pro-democracy alliance. Unity is all what we need. We must unite in decision to boycott or participate in elections. A strong BB+NS+IK alliance is needed on one point agenda i.e RESTORATION (Constitution, Judiaciary, democracy).
I promise that such alliance can easily win 2/3 majority in elections.
IK is Gr8 leader and an asset for Pakistanis (not for mush). He has respect of JI and as I foresee he will continue to proceed in that way. However we should not cross limits based on any minor issue and should keep in mind the possible perspectives behind that. Thats the way of Imran and being his supporters we should try to back his stance rather crossing going against his vision. Try to be calm, wait for IKs opinion and line of action for long term struggle and then follow his vision (IF you really appreciate his leadership and wisdom).
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updated the articles at radio free pakistan, still waiting for admin to send an email
Qasmi rights in daily jang about the people who claim to be religious but they are not coming out against the governments. He says while those woman whom people call ‘maghreb-zada’ (westernised)are coming out against the west backed government, No Jamia Hafsa type female students have come out!!
http://jang.com.pk/jang/nov2007-daily/21-11-2007/col3.htm
Are we there yet? — nota
A Review of America’s ‘Investment’ in El Salvador
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/11/16/5269/
“Here is an eye-witness report of my visit to El Salvador last November. It illustrates the legacy of our government’s $6 billion “investmentâ€? in that war after 15 years of peace-and provides a sample of what we can expect from our $1.6 trillion and counting “investmentâ€? in Afghanistan and Iraq”
Maybe baseless propaganda, maybe the truth:
Pak nukes already under US control: Report
By Times Of India
11/20/07 “TOI” — – WASHINGTON: Pakistan’s nuclear weapons are already under American control even as analysts are working themselves into a lather on the subject, a well-regarded intelligence journal has said.
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2673&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Islamabad bureaucrats fight for deposed judges to stay by Ansar Abbasi
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11266
ISLAMABAD: The Islamabad bureaucrats, or the compatible baboos as they are known in common slang, have finally taken a position in support of the deposed Supreme Court judges: they do not want them to be evicted forcibly from their residence and dispatched to their hometowns.
At a high level meeting chaired by Secretary Interior Syed Kamal Shah recently, these civil bureaucrats vehemently opposed the option of forcible eviction but insisted on giving a chance to other persuasive measures to attain this objective.
For once I agree with BB though she is a bit late on that front:
Benazir says Pakistan ‘slowly disintegrating’
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C11%5C20%5Cstory_20-11-2007_pg7_53
“It may sound dramatic, but the picture here is frightening. Pakistan is slowly disintegrating, and it seems everyone is paralysed into ignoring the calamity that is coming”
Mush has a knack for finding them. Maybe the Federal Employment Application form reads something like “Before being considered for Ministerial position, the applicant must provide solid proof of his membership to the Kabza Group. All such claims will be fully investigated and verified.”
Or maybe there is another thing at work here:
He picks such people with the sole purpose that by these are the people with their t*sticles expos*d so they will not go against him and he can yank them anytime to get them to do anything…
Caretaker minister in widow’s house grab scandal
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11259
Speaking of ministers, did he not also choose a Pir — Pir Of Taunsa — as his new misister for Religious Affairs?
Is this “Enlightened Moderation” or the exact opposite?
Speaking of ministers, did he not also choose a Pir — Pir Of Taunsa — as his new minister for Religious Affa*rs?
Is this “Enlightened Moderation� or the exact opposite?
musharrafisana$$hole.com is available for purchase.
Not, it will make a great name for your blog.
musharrafisana$$hole.com is available for purchase.
Nota, it will make a great name for your blog.
@ admin
what happened to the interview you had with Shahbaz Sharif? You said you would upload the video of that interview by Monday night… it’s still not here.
Please upload Shahbaz Sharif Interview
Thank you
“Have I done anything constitutionally illegal? Yes, I did it on 3 November,”Said Musharraf in his recent interview.
Musharraf imposed Emergency /Marshal law only to get rid of the honest judges and free media and help him cling to power undefinately.
This shows he has no respect for the constitution of Pakistan, people of pakistan and for that matter pakistan.
Let me ask one question to the people lucky enough to live in western damocratic culture with Supremacy of the Constitution and independence of judiciary.
Can you imagine living even for one day without any constitution, independent judiciary with no freedom of speach ?
How will you feel if BBC/CNN/Fox News was to shut down because they speak truth and your Govt can’t take it…. the judges suspended and house arrested because they abide by the constitution and won’t support anything illeagal??
Only honest and independent Judiciary and media can ensure protection of rights of common people of pakistan, leading to democracy and development.
BREAKING NEWS
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Source Dawn news
- Lion of Pakistan CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry trying to leave judges colony along with other judges
- His residence gate is locked
- Additional police reinforcements sent CJP’s residence
Please spread the word, people will come out enmasse when they hear about CJP Iftikhar Chaudhry’s attempt to break the siege.
@Jeera
It would, but then again it would be too limiting. Or maybe I could start another one it certainly deserves it’s own — wonder what’s the max storage blogspot allows? :p
Plans for disintegrating Pakistan are now up for debate
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2672&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Why you guys talk about Musharraff all the times. He is an Indian national and not the son of Pakistan. How come you guys expect anything called “GOOD” from this Military dictator who is meant to dissolve Pakistan. Choor commanders are equally responsible.
@AJ on November 21st, 2007 4:52 am
“Maybe baseless propaganda, maybe the truth:
Pak nukes already under US control: Report”
I really believe this was done a LONG time ago, say soon after September 2001…
It’s not true, But Musharraf is behaving like Saddam Hussain. Nuke VS. Oil
MUSHHSSHH is paving the way for international intervention to remove these Nukes because they believe Pak is a Rouge State. Na-PAk Army has to think now or it will be too Late.
Is this who we should be looking up to as role models/saviors? See how America treats its own at http://videos.informationclearinghouse.info/2prison.wmv
The report’s title is “Torture, Inc.”
“They are just some of the victims of wholesale torture taking place inside the U.S. prison system that we uncovered during a four-month investigation for Channel 4 . It’s terrible to watch some of the videos and realise that you’re not only seeing torture in action but, in the most extreme cases, you are witnessing young men dying.”
Nota,
If it intrigues you, you can buy that domain for 5-7 bucks a year and just have it point to you your blog i.e. contemptible.blogspot.com
I think it will make a great name, for it’s simplicity and honesty. I can’t think of a better name except in Punjabi.
@Jeera
I would but I don’t have a credit card and I don’t think any local ISP will risk registering it…
One heck of a rally going on in Islamabd kachehri. Justice Wajihuddin is there too.
Intense sloganeering by lawyers against Musharraf and for the immediate release of all lawyers.
Source: Aaj TV
I understand Nota. I don’t want a visit from ISI or MI either.
I have heard that Talat Hussain has resigned from AajTV. Is this true?
A recent article in The Washington Post titled,”Where We Went Wrong In Pakistan”:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/20/AR2007112001650.html
A newsweek article, “Choking the Channels”:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/71564
dawn and aaj tv reporters ordered to leave SC. It is rumored that they caught Dogar the wanker on camera.
Nice video link by Kami.
Riyadh Keen to Send Nawaz Back
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11272
Aitezaz Ahsan is a man of principles (unlike his party leader!)
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11281
Pak nukes already under US control: Report
By Times Of India
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18752.htm
Please take a look at the following:
http://destogate.wordpress.com/2007/11/21/as-the-fog-clears-january-21st-2008/
@ Raja the information of the intelligence journal is quite sensational given the stance the US government is taking. It is saying the Pak Nukes are safe and that Pak Military has taken ‘credible’ steps to ensure that! So Mush has given the Nuke control apart from other things like airbases and military bases to the US. This man is reckless and a freak. he will sure detsroy the country. Earlier I wrote what the Pak Army junior officers are thinking. One of them said no officer wants to come out with criticsm as they will be disciplined and then they loose their cahnce to get plots and other things that in pipeline only for ‘good’ officers. So who is coming out the westernized women and dudes from institutes like LUMS. The Mulla Military Allaince (MMA) will never come out. Common people are least interested! What will take to move the people? Things now rest with PPPP, ML (N), TI and other regional forces. If this does not happen in the next few days the country is not going to survive and they know it.
Since even entertainment channels are still banned here is a something to compensate
Life is a cartoon:
Once upon a time there were four Thundercats: Jio, Ari, Aash and their cousin with the funny accent Donny. They had been fighting for years to save the Carefree Bears from the clutches of the Ancient Forces of Evil who had dominated the land since its creation. Then one day the Ancient Forces resurrected The Evil Memra to once and for all destroy the Thundercats. Sadly, Memra was able to break apart the cats by coercing Aash and Donny to stab their friends in the back. On seeing this happen many Carefree Bears raised a lot of hue and cry but to no avail. The Evil Memra, backed by the Ancient Forces, smiled with much malice. Will Jio and Ari change the course of events? Will the Free cats survive? Find out on the next episode of ……….(Blackout)
Now here is a Man who is shoulders above the filth that surrounds us today… a man who stands steadfast for what he believes in. We salute you sir and pray that Allah (swt) bestows us with men of virtue and resolve to lead us towards the light at the end of this darkest tunnel.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11281
ps. People remember this light is there, we just can’t see it! Stand up for your rights based on the right path of truth & virtue.. as no one can switch off this light no matter how much might they may deploy.
“Jhoot” ka sir humeisha neechey aur “succh” ka bol bala. Zalim upne zulm ke saath upni saza khoob paye ga. Allah (swt) is just and He will judge us. May He (swt) guide the righteous amongst us and subdue and humiliate the wrong-doers (please guide the mis-guided to the correct path) *Ameen*
Dear Faisal:
ASA! To make it easier on the eyes, I retyped Benazir Bhutto’s letter to Peter Galbraith (former U.S. Ambassador to Bosnia) a scanned copy of which is posted below). While Benazir was a student at Radcliffe College (an affiliate of Harvard University), Peter’s father late John Kenneth Galbraith (a Professor Emeritus of Economics at Harvard, and former U.S. Ambassador to India) had adopted Benazir and served as her God Father.
Benazir and Peter were about the same age and knew each other quite intimately since those days. He was the only Confidante of Benazir to serve as a conduit with United States government, U.S. Department of
State and various Congressmen and Senators. In her letter postted below) she mentions the name of Congressman Stephen Solarz (Democrat, NY), who happened to be a staunch supporter of Israel (being a Zionist Jew), and
arch enemy of Pakistan, now serving as a paid lobbyist for India.
Stephen Solarz was booted out of Congress in a disgracefull manner for some Bad Bank Check Cashing Fraud, and since then he has kept a low public profile. Thus Peter Galbraith (not a Senator but a former U.S. Ambassador to Bosnia) was her only confidante and conduit for communicating with the U.S. Government officicials. During her second stint as Prime Minister, she hired a paid Jewish Lobbyist [affiliated with Pakistan Embassy in washington, DC] to shine up her image as a
Public Relations agent.
Reading her letter, it makes me vomit being a Muslim, as to how could she get that way to harm Pakistan in revenge to what Ghulam Ishaq Khan did to her by firing from the post of Prime Minister. We pray to Allah, to protect Pakistan from such vultures, who have no qualms in stooping to such low depth.
Bashir A. Syed
Retired Aerospace Physicists
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Mrs. Benazir Bhutto
Bilawal House
Karachi
Dear Peter Galbraith (Hand Written):
I don’t know how to thank you, for your many favors to me and my family. As you know that the order of my dismissal were drafted in the JAG branch of the GHQ, as it was not possible for me to pull along with the army and they subverted my
Government.
I already communicated to various friends in the congress and especially Stephen Solarz, to use their good office with President Bush, so as to put maximum pressure on President Ishaq, and the army in Pakistan, that they do not disqualify me from the elections, as it will be unjust and negation of all democratic principles for which we have struggled.
It would be most appropriate if military as well as economic assistance to Pakistan is stopped, and all the International gencies like the World Bank, IMF are told to squeeze the Government of Pakistan and if possible all supply to Pakistan should be gisrupted, so that normal life in Pakistan comes to standstill.
As long as I was the Prime Minister, I kept a check on the Nuclear device, but now I do not know what are the plans of the Government.
The suspension of F-16 and its spares will bring the army to its senses.
Dear Peter, Please use your influence on V.P. Singh the Indian Prime Minister, to Engage the Pakistan army on the border, so that they do not impede my way.
I wish Rajiv Gandhi had been the Prime Minister of India, things would have been easier.
Thank you and with warm regards,
Sincerely yours,
Signed: Benazir Bhutto.
Dated: 24-09-1990
National Democratic Institute for International Affairs
1717 Massachusetts Avenue, NW — Suite 503, Washington, DC 20036.
(202)329-3136 Telex 5106015068 NDIIN Fax (202)3166.
*A public service message for general awareness !
A letter from Benazir Bhutto to american senators …
Distributed for sake of information … not for promoting Pakistan
Muslim Legue !
*All right reserved by Daily Express … Published here only for
sake of public awareness.
Contents pasted here are directly taken from the original website !
Nawaz Sharif says return to Pakistan top of agenda in Saudi talks:
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/southasia/news/article_1375299.php/Nawaz_Sharif_says_return_to_Pakistan_top_of_agenda_in_Saudi_talks
Dear Brothers & Sisters
You can ask any question. We are here to answer.
I love Jamiat
We protest. This is unfair to block our representation on this group.
@Admin
We should listen both parties. Kindly allow them to present their point of view
Dear Bashir sahib,
I have told by a senior journalist that the letter which has graced newspapers recently attribute to BB is a fake!
Wallah ho Alam, but I am not sure if I was to write to a confidante the I would hand write his/her name and use a surname as well. If you say they both knew each other really well as you put it. I would most likely address that person by their first name.
The letter has some basic grammatical mistakes which I would not attribute to someone who went to Oxford and has an honorary degree from Harvard as well. I would accept MANY grammatical mistakes if BB was to write in Urdu!
)
Anyways, let’s not argue for or against individuals. Now is not the right time! Let us be single-mindedly focussed on the 1 matter at hand – PAKISTAN and what ails it at present.
In solidarity and with a lot of respect,
Salams
You have read a lot Now read the truth
http://www.hulchul.net/HC/lofiversion/index.php/t155101.html
This letter is absolutely fake – No Prime Minister would be so reckless or callous to write such a stupid letter in which she would say she wished that Rajiv Ghandi was Prime Minister rather than VP Singh.
BB can be anything but so reckless.
As for Musharraf it is now open secret that Americans are in possession of nuclear weapons of Pakistan – that is why they appear to be so relaxed and happy and Bush is supporting Musharraf to the maximum.
So Pakistan your Kashmir is gone and your nuclear weapons are gone – thanks to PM
Hi
I have noticed that the USA media and Karzai government of Afghanistan are not accusing Pakistan of supporting “terrorists” and Taliban anymore. Question:
Does anyone know if the Talban actions in Afghanistan have subsided?
Has Pakistan been successful in curbing the “infiltration” of Taliban from Pakistan?
Why they are quite now? Did they want Pakistan to be in turmoil? Can someone help me to solve this puzzle?
Zeeshan:
even if its true than all it suggests that rouge army is the cause and unless their supply chain is stopped, they will continue with their ambitions like conquering own people, kargil, and nuke etc.
army can’t respect country’s law and own it. so best is to cut their sources & resources.
indeed army can be traced back to all allegations on politicians.
PERVAIZ MUSHARRAF HAS INTRODUCED A NEW ORDINANCE BY WHICH HIS ACTIONS FROM 3RD NOV TO 20 NOV CANNOT BE CHALLENGED IN TEH COURT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.
I THINK HE IS GOING TO GIVE UP HIS UNIFORM SOON BY END OF THIS WEEK ACCORDING TO AG LOTA JUSTICE QAYUUM.
SHARIF IS PROBABLY COMING BACK TO PAKISTAN IN A WEEK
I BELIEVE THEN US DIPLOMACY IS WORKING – HOPEFULLY BUT i AM NOT SURE IF JUDGES WOULD BE REINSTATED OR NOT
BB IS CRYING THAT THERE WOULD BE RIGGING OF POLLS BUT SHE SHOULD HAVE REALISED BEFORE SHE ENTERED IN TALKS WITH MUSHARRAF. HER BIGGEST BLUNDER WAS TO TALK TO MUSHARRAF.
From the past if anything can be learnt it is that Musharraf cannot be trusted under any circumstances because he uses everyone and then dump them
Any news about GEO coming back?
S Khan:
simple is that Pakistan Army has now to fight in Pakistan and the only difference that this Army can make i.e. Nuke is now under their full control. having done so successfully, all stakeholders now want to sit aside and keep watching the show.
See who is more being killed (in numbers)? Pak Army
India is also happy because they were in once this position in Kashmir but not now
@S Khan
You took the point. I was thinking the same.
Yeah, I don’t know why. May be Karzai read the script from Washington tried to Mushraf to engage army so that NATO would have less numbers of casualties.
I don’t second these kinds of stories that nukes are under control of Americans. These stories have just sprang up in western media to furtger aggravate the situation in Pakistan.
The western media cannot be our friend. The so called nuke proliferation scam, there were many western scientist and companies involved but they deliberately hide them and tried their best to malign our hero in our eyes.
@Pejamistri,
Geo News update added for today.
http://pkpolitics.com/2007/11/21/news-1-21-november-07/
I will try to post 2-3 updates on daily basis from Internet.
Admin
Dear Admin, I wanted to send an article to you to post on the site. This is in resposnse to the article written by Ahmad Qureshi “The Plan to Topple Pakistan Military� published on his website http://www.ahmadqureshi.com on 19th Nov 2007. I feel it should be properly answered.
Sorry Admin, I was asking how to send you the article?
jojo:
little correction: it was in fact Pak Army General, Musharraf by name, who malign our hero. None of the Army including retired generals came in support, not even general public or judiciary. Media needs story and rest is history.
@Ahmad Bhai
Yeah you are quite right that mush had a big share in that story.
Imran Khan and the Rest of the leaders:
Ik is emerging as a strong leader with strong ideas, positive goal and strength of giving sacrifice to get the goal.
I feel that our old politicians, who like to have comfortable life, power sharings, zigzag deviations in their agendas, those who cheat people with beautiful words and at the end of the day smile at innocent fooled people, those who in the name of improving economy of Pakistan imrove their own and of their relatives’ economies, those who look for the support of friend-like enemy USA/UK, those who leave their own party people from accountabilities, those who are caught up in wadera/chauhdary/muhajir system, those who can’t think beyond getting votes for their party, those who get easy money through bribery/bhata, those who feel proud of their protocoles, those who take their wonderful meals before their own people could find something to eat, those who regularly call in GHQ for help atc., can’t bear a person like IK.
If IK comes into power then all these old monkies will have to correct themselves and that is something very very hard for them. Cheating, greed and lies is somehow in their bloods now.
I am not sure if old politicians would support anyone else who might be more capable, better leader, straightforward and sincere!
Lets hope that our politicains can think beyond their normal dirty politics of pulling each others legs, point scoring, vested interests and lies. Lets hope and pray.
Anyway, we must remain steadfast and focused with strong faiths, brave thinking and positive actions in all conditions.
May Allah guide and help us. Aamin.
chussain:
shah Irans’ likewise trials do not need any court or pco or any ordinance. Just wait for the time which is near to come.
I am happy with increased tyranny as this will soon reach its maximum level beyond which it has to fall back.
Now who else fall down, the whole nation? it depends on people struggle and attitude.
a further hope as well as sad news the arrest of Justice (r) Wajiuddin
For those who might have read the book of Ayesha Sidiqqa another excellent piece of writing by her on tbis website:
http://www.asian-affairs.com/Terrorism/siddiqa-agha.html
Congratulations folks! Now you can import bullet-proof vehicles without paying any custom duty…
Worst Conditions:
I feeling that in worst conditions(God-Forbid) we might be attacked by USA or India although they will have to think 1000 times before doing so because it will be almost impossible to contain Pakistanis, they have already learnt it in Kashmir and Afghanistan(although both these fronts were politicaly motivated). In addition to that normal lower army soldiers will be nightmare for them. Also it will be very hard to contain Pakistanis living abroad, they will really make a big difference by peaceful but determined efforts in respective countries.
Secondly, i feel that normal soldiers of PK Army(and not most of the Generals and higher ranks of Army, only sincere ones) at the end will join people of Pakistan if current situation continues. That will be real fun for all corrupt groups of the society(including Corrupt Army Generals) and they will tremble even imagining that!!! So PK Army Generals, still have sometime for self correction.
We must not be afraid since fear(from false gods) is one of the worst enemy of human beings. Maximum must be achieved through peacefuls means though.
My opinion.
Breaking News
Ex-Cricket Star Khan To Be Released From Jail
Updated:13:38, Wednesday November 21, 2007
Pakistani authorities will release hunger-striking cricket legend Imran Khan from jail within hours, a government official has said.
Courtesy:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1293756,00.html
nota:
an maybe in hurry the import non-bullet proof version as well
http://express.com.pk/epaper/index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=National_PAGE&Date=20071121&Pageno=3&View=1%20id=
Chraghan by Haroon Rasheed
When I see a diehard Jamaatiya turned against Jamaatiya, its the downfall of both JI&IJT.
Longlive IK for enlightening the people.
BB has been clever enough for innocent pakistanis. she is mostly stressing General Musharraf these days to remove the uniform and her tone is more requesting than demanding. Wehreas the Attorney General has himself said that by this weekedn after the decision of the court, the General will doff his uniform. So she wants to take credit of this issue.
the General has conveyed the real message to shah of Saudi Arbaia that they should keep NS quiet and refrain him from coming to Pakistan. Sheer phone call was not enough in this case… Amazing.
@ Students
Plan to support Imran Khan, we must not let him die!!!!
@ PU/LUMS/QUI/Other students
A hunger strike at respective institutes would be a good way to support IK!!!
Please don’t be relaxed.
Asif:
Haroon Rasheed himself is severely threatened by IJT.
the best is still Abbas Ather’s column today corougeously revealing IJT/JI’s badmashee…
do read that column in express
Justice Wajihuddin arrested
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=32631
Zaheer:
Students in institutes like bahria are threatened expulsion even if found discussing politics.
http://express.com.pk/epaper/index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=City_Page&Date=20071121&Pageno=2&View=1%20id=
Waris Mir the father of Hamid Mir & IJT Goondaghardi
@ Ahmed Bhai
Such psychological pressures will always remain there like in Bahria institute but if majority of students decides for an action then adminsitration can do very very little. If Pakistan is strong then institutes are also strong otherwise one day everything might collapse.
@Ahmed Bhai
Its time to get rid of all KGMs(Kabza Group Mentality), virtualy controling all of the institution & civil society as well.
Injustice gave rise to KGMs & the rise of justice is the death of KGMs.
Longlive IK for denting the KGMs
Very good article by Abbas Ather in express about Waris Mir.
Anneza:
One eye witness told me that in Islamabad club where Justice had lunch with western media, there were some NGOs ladies and Justice only said to them that their support is needed!!
Karachi & Lahore are twin cities in the sense that both are being virtualy controlled by KGMs, one religous & the other one non-religous, JI&MQM.
IK has dented very successfuly both of them. IKs movement for justice is the real threat to these KGMs, so these KGMs are trying their best to stop IK from youth.
Longlive IK, your efforts are bearing fruit.
Guys I have been getting replies from my MPs in the UK and EU parliament. If more of you write, the will put more pressure on Mush (they are Mush’s gods, you know!!). Make one or two paragraphs and keep sending them anywhere and every where!
For UK
http://www.writetothem.com/
Those who live in the US are requested to write to Senators. Make one or two good paragraphs, tell them that Musharraf is playing double game and he supports extremists through secret channels to get US aid. You may copy and paste those paragraphs to as many senators as you like.
To assure those who might be frightened to write (it is quite normal for Pakistanis), I have written to many world leaders and local and International bodies and no agency follows you. They are not after the people who express themselves through their writings.
For their contact information and email addresses, please visit:
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
***************Breaking News**************
Imran Khan released!
good new as saw on BBC
For the citizens of Pakistan another great column writtenby Naeem Zehra in Khaleej Times
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/ColumnistHomeNew.asp?section=nasimzehra&col=yes
IK zindabad no news on Pak media yet!
Longlive IK
IK we need your leadership & vision.
Backup IK
Longlive IK
BBC confirmed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/11/071121_imran_released_rza.shtml
Lets put some slogans for our Lion…
IK will be stronger than ever, perhaps Mush mistakenly put him in jail to make a leader out of him:).
Hes the new hope, who can look forward to youth……
rest of all look backwars(ancestors).
busharraf will try to play good boy now …sicne he has removed the CJ obstacle ,he will shed army uniform and take oath for next 5 years…once the elections are conducted and he gets his emegency validated by the new cabinet..he will lift emergency too….and gradually free all the media as well…but little does he know that final plan rests with ALLAH and after all these brutalities …he can’t just get away with it like that………
He has released Imran Khan under international and national pressure and now he has arrested Justice Wajihuddin. He can never change. Musharraf is going to be like that always.
The struggle should continue till the restoration of the constitution, superior judiciary and the freeing of media.
Hi guys
I have cooked a plan with some mates and we are fund raising for its execution. Believe me pals; this is the only way forward. The plan is that we have talked to a ‘bhai’ for Musharaf’s ‘supaari’. He wants a khookha. We are asking everybody for one pak rupee. Not a paisa more than that. The response is MashaAllah very good. How do you feel about it. Please let us know of your response and then we will arrange the collections.
Now that he is free, I would like to make one request to IK:
Please no stunts like:
“Imran Khan on hunger strike till death until judiciary restored”
At least loose the “till death” part unless you are 100% sure you are going to carry through…
lol circuit u have got my 1 rs. also ask bhai for a supari of NS BB and Mullahs too I ll give u 10 rs.
@circuit
Include all judicial advisors of all the dictator governments as well. They have gathered enough wealth but i think it is never enough.
aoa
ik you are the true political leader, i am very much disappointed with pml-n they just want to do politics sitting in they houses. they have taken a principal stand on mush but they need to do a lot more.
imran khan zindabad
aitzaz ahsan zindabad
@ circut
Jaanay do yaar:-)… let him go, a good villain is necessary for a successful film:-)!
don’t miss the capital talk right now on Geo TV.
@admin
please record if you can.
is Geo website under a dos attack again? i cant access it
For me Geo works from its site. but actually it has been on for quite sometime. Now i can not open the Geo News Site, but the stream is working.
Capital has been recoreded in some park in Islamabad with represenataives of all political parties (of course no govt party is seen until now). there are people from civil society and lots of young students and non-political lot.
Though a bit long, this article is certainly worth a read. See what kinds of leaders and reforms US cannot stand. They hate them so much they are trying to get rid of the leader in question for the fourth time, this time through assassination. And it is being brought to you courtesy of National Endowment of Democracy (NED), and US Agency for International Development (USAID)…
Coup D’Etat Rumblings in Venezuela
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18755.htm
Re. so called Benazir Bhutto letter.
Facts: This was published first in 1990 elections part of NS/IJI/ISI media campaign
Recently re-published as a PML(Q) ad in about 15 newspapaers using Govt. Punjab funds.
The man who released this letter for NS in 1990 Naved Malik has admitted that the letter was forged.
Even the people who placed the letter have on the website made mistakes in reproducing it (deliberately?).
The hand written portion of the letter reads “Dear Peter Gailbraith” not “Dear Peter Galbraith” as reproduced. Since the author of the e-mail recognizes the Peter Galbraith was a close personal friend of his I think we should expect that Benazir Bhutto would not spell his name incorrectly in the first instance and not use his sir name when addressing him.
Gailbraith was not woking in NDI (where the supposed letter was adressed)when the letter was supposed to be written in 1990. He was working for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee as a staffer.
Do you think Benazir Bhutto calls herself “Mrs. Benazir Bhutto”? (see top of so called letter)
I could go on but finally I can find it amusing (nothing suprises me anymore) that anyone could believe (other than Mush/ISI) that Benazir Bhutto could write a letter with such poor english. But then again they thought she didn’t have a degree hence the added qualification for candidates in the last elections.
Really if you want to critisize at least make it credible. Who was ever throwing up at the so called letter I hope this stops him. There’s so much more worthwhile to puke over.
A bill from America Mush would love. For those who thought Democrats were somehow better:
Here come the thought police
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.thoughtpolice19nov19,0,5876894,print.story
…
Ms. Harman’s proposal includes an absurd attack on the Internet, criticizing it for providing Americans with “access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda,” and legalizes an insidious infiltration of targeted organizations. The misnamed “Center of Excellence,” which would function after the commission is disbanded in 18 months, gives the semblance of intellectual research to what is otherwise the suppression of dissent.
…Action contrary to the commission’s findings will be interpreted as a sign of treason at worst or a lack of patriotism at the least.
Longlive IK
The only hope for us. God bless you in your efforts.
KGMs are passing thru shock, madcow banned them constitutionaly & you are going to ban them publically.
Longlive IK
KGMs(Kabza Group Mentality) would resist your every effort for the justice. They are the production of injustice & would do their best keep intact injustice.
But people are with you & they will InshAllah throw away KGM in your leadership.
Longlive IK
Bhutto’s backflip as poll is called
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22786081-2703,00.html
She twice avoided criticising General Musharraf when asked to do so, telling the interviewer instead: “I know where you want to take me. Let’s see first if he responds to Washington.”
Hang the Judges and Lawyers Out to Dry
The U.S. Game Plan in Pakistan
http://www.counterpunch.org/china11192007.html
With typical calculation, Bhutto’s PPP also appears willing to let the judiciary twist in the wind, According to the newspaper Dawn:
[A PPP spokesman] did not give a clear reply when asked if the PPP would accept a judgment by the present Supreme Court upholding Gen Musharraf’s election. The real question was of the notification of the result which had been stayed by the ‘previous court’, he said.
The fact that the lawyers aren’t getting lip service either from the United States or the PPP indicates that the last thing we want is for a straightforward legal challenge to the constitutionality of Musharraf’s second term to upset the applecart.
Yesterday I had posted about Negroponte’s death squad coming to Pakistan. Guess I am not the only one who noticed.
Salvador Option Comes to Pakistan
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m38406&hd=&size=1&l=e
Presumably encouraged by the wonderful results from Iraq, where death squads reign by night even as rotting corpses terrorize streets by days, the United States is now considering grafting the Salvador Option — policy to arm factions to fight proxy wars on American behalf, a la death squads in Central America and, more recently, Iraq — to Pakistan. I hope the leadership in Pakistan is not stupid to play along. This could spiral out of control sooner than anyone can imagine, and literally mean the end of Pakistan.
“I hope the leadership in Pakistan is not stupid to play along.”
Oh they are a lot stupider than that…
What line hasn’t Mush crossed, Mr. Bush?
Bush More Emphatic In Backing Musharraf
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/20/AR2007112002304_pf.html
President Bush yesterday offered his strongest support of embattled Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying the general “hasn’t crossed the line” and “truly is somebody who believes in democracy.”
live with talat will be conducted tomorrow Nov 22nd,infront pressclub, but will not be shown on aaj tv……
if anyone can get it from any source, will be MUCH grateful , much obliged!!!!!!
regards
Till 8th of January, Games:
Mr. Musharraf and Co. want to play all possible games till 8th of January. They want to get into power by any means e.g. by means of rigging in elections like they did previously, by keeping the politicians and public divided and busy, by arresting/releasing the politicians/lawyers/others, by making dialogues and back steppings, by keeping judiciary under control, by promising all good to the world and people e.g. free and fair elections but at the end rigging, removing emergency soon etc, by using ISI and others to bring SPECIAL people into power, by using state machinray to beat and kidnap opposing forces… games 2007/08
They know very well that without doing cheating in elctions and without false statements and use of power they can’t come into power(assemblies). Emergency is one step in this direction since it safeguards their corruption.
They will try their best to come into power since then they can suppress all their opponents with ease since their NETWORK will be much broader in that case. They know what world can do even if they do rigging in elections!!! After it(rigging/cheating) happens people will shout for few days, world leaders will give statements and then silent even USA will appreciate democracy, moderate forces and elections. Raat gaee baat Gaee: Kings Party.
So these are the days(till 8th January) when we can stop them from getting into high position from where they can easily hit everyone. Things will be much more difficult once they come into power, i feel!!! So we should not wait for miracles to happen automatically.
Keep your spirits high, stay vigilent, focused and active.
My opinion.
@nota
Good link forwarded by you… pretty much exposes the intentions of the BB, I wonder her supporters know about these, of course the leaders of PPP would be aware of these.
A common man said in Capital Talk, if Musharraf finds a way in the coming government setup, it will be just because of PPP and JUI(F). One may laugh at JUI(F) being the cause, but once elections get rigged anything can happen.
A puff piece for Kiyani…And for those who love Nasim Zehra, hope you wake up…
In Paksitan, Negroponte courted Kiyani
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world-news/in-pakistan-negroponte-courted-kiyani_1006015.html
Nasim Zehra, a defense and security analyst in Islamabad, said that, “As a Pakistani, I have full confidence in Kiyani. He’s Pakistan’s professional soldier and not interested in power and politics. But the truth is, I would have said that about Musharraf in 1999.
live with talat will be conducted at 4pm , 22nd nov. infront of pressclub
Cartoons:
MUST SEE: Democracy in Pakistan is a very fluid thing
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/upload/rte/fluid.jpg
We would hold elections on schedule
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/upload/rte/schedule.jpg
What city? Islamabad?
@admin.
yaar admin could you please upload todays capital talk?
Please some one in Islamabad can record Live with Tatal and send it to Pk Polictics.
Local residents line up to leave the troubled area of Mingora, Pakistan,Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2007. Pakistan’s army pounded pro-Taliban militants in northern valley and has killed at least 130 fighters there in recent days, the government said. (AP Photo/Mohammad Iqbal)
My Poll
Will you be happy when Musharraf’s Fauj becomes victorious after killing hundreds of Pakistani?
Will you be sad if Pakistani fauj suffer heavy losses?
is it true that Musharaf’s son is contesting elections?? can anyone confirm this news.
In the next few days emergency will be lifted. In this way the mush and his supporters will try to make the pakistani people fool by saying that as there is no emergency so the election will be fair but they have done all the ugly tricks and home work for rigging the election in last 20 days.
Mush kabza group will invite the international observers to monitor the election but my question is that will these 3000 international observers will be able to watch all polling station (they can only see these things when one observer will sit on each polling station for whole day untill counting which is not possible for them). During their visit on that polling station everything will be fine but before or after their visit what will be happened in the polling stations they donot know.
Moreover how ISI and army will manupulate the results they donot know.
Capital talk being aired from a footpath of Islamabad. Nice program tune to Geo.
Every one is talking about removing Musharaaf, good I dont fancy Army generals myself either but tell me please what choices we have ?. Do we want universally known corrupt leaders Sharif and Bhutto again to run the country, We can pick religous party leaders and then get ready for sharia law and mandatory beard, banned music and girls not to go to school. we have another choice of Imran Khan (with a tunnel vision), who accused every other party leader to be corrupt and extremist. Mr.Sharif wants to come back to Pakistan to help Every Pakistani, when in trouble, he begged and fled to Saudi Arabia leaving all his party member behind. Ms. Bhutto was in power,in a Police shoot-out her brother was killed in Karachi and no one was even arrested. She said in a interview on ARY if she was the Prime minister 9/11 incident would have never happened. All these leaders want to serve the public, I will say go and work with Edhi foundation and help people, NO they want to be Prime minister to serve public. Now go and figure out.
Sheeda:
good joke: his son and son’s father in law, with help from Musharraf has looted so much that its not worth it. His son, now Stanford graduate, has good business in US.
S Khan: Polls
1 – its tragic but I will be *happy* because that will make Mush Army more naked
2 – I will be sad because tyrant needs to be destroyed and made example for future, you talked for less
A. Gowher:
It has been discussed earlier and most of us on this forum believe that any democratic system is better than dictatorship. once there is independent judiciary and democratic process is allowed to run, at one end it will serve as a mean of producing new leadership and secondly it automatically filters corrupt or incapable or liars. Independent Media will also serve as mirror and ultimately people of Pakistan will be empowered. process is bit long BUT has to start somewhere.
Salaams,
Have just published a piece on OpenDemocracy.net which may be of interest to friends. It is:
http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/conflicts/india_pakistan/pakistan_meltdown#comments_for_node
Regards,
Iftikhar Malik
(Oxford-UK)
I used to read about Pakistani Police and Gestapo Agencies frequently doing such brutal acts but not from armed thieves. I suppose they learnt it from the Gestapos and the Police. Pakistani Jails, the training ground. — Warning mild graphic contents.
Dr. Abdul Manan, a surgeon at the Nishtar hospital in Multan, points to an x-ray of a glass bottle lodged in a man’s lower abdomen November 21, 2007. A 60-year-old man came to the hospital to have the Pepsi bottle removed, which he said armed thieves had inserted in his anus before robbing him of two buffalos, Manan said
live with talat in Isalamabad, 22nd nov, at 4 pm infront press club,
plz someone record it and upload it here
regards
Ahmed Bhai, I am not going to drink my tea if i see a fly in it, and I am not going to vote for a party if I know their leader is corrupt and a liar. we need new leaders in every political party duly elected every two or four years. Major Political parties in Pakistan are dictatorial, Benazir or N.Sharif or Imran Khan and most of other parties have lifetime leaders.Any one raising a voice to re-elect his or her leader is kicked ou of the party. These leaders screaming for democracy are dictators themself. we need new faces who are honest and dependable, so that people can make best choice from the best.
Sharifs poised to return before 26th
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11295
Watch Magistrate of ISB (son of a bi****) giving threats to Talat hussain of Aaj Tv wid some agencies (di** heads)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1InJxjCTfkQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5YAz3Xv174
now the condition in pakistan same like the position as the bnladash was emerged on the map of the world .usa create the such condition with the help of india and israel ploitican are not unite general of the army just wana their grip on the people they are not sincere to the country .in such bad condition media,lawers, justice(who refused to take oath under pco) are realy playing very brilliant role in the pakistan.
now the condition in pakistan same like the position as the bngladash was emerged on the map of the world .usa create the such condition with the help of india and israel ploitican are not unite general of the army just wana their grip on the people they are not sincere to the country .in such bad condition media,lawers, justice(who refused to take oath under pco) are realy playing very brilliant role in the pakistan.
i am sooooo proud of you sir ch iftikhar, rana bhagwan das and all the brave people of pakistan who r facing gundas.
praying for you
General Kiani
Is
The greatest of our strategists.
He would be loved by us.
He will clean military from Mushraf’s Virus
and
bring back the glorious era of Zia’s professionalism in military.
Democracy in Pakistan is a Chess Board of feudals and excited AWAM are sheeps, as they voted for Bhutto, Benazir, who are clear SECURITY THREAT
DEEDA DILL FARSHEH RAH
Pakistan Military, Rangers, Mujahid Force and ISI are
MEN AT THEIR BEST
Mob is loud is in fact Mob Ki AULAD. A person with such views cannot be a product of one person.
A excerpt from a recent article in the Washington post:
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There are other generals. With all the billions of dollars in aid the United States provides to Pakistan, it ought to be possible to discuss with the Pakistani military alternatives to the man who so poorly serves their interests. Musharraf may be willing to lose American aid in order to remain in power, but that is unlikely to seem attractive to the men who work for him. It ought to be possible to find a general who is willing to let Pakistan return to a democratic path and meanwhile do a better job of fighting Pakistan’s real enemies
————–
The article can be accessed at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/21/AR2007112101858.html
BB made all that noise and now she is flinching again, not sure if to boycott the elections.
She has a great chance to show leadership but looklike he Lust for power will sink her again.
IK is pretty much standing alone.
Its a sad situation when the politicians cannot be united.
@ Raja
This is all bogus. If this was true, Pakistan would have been finished by now.
The only thing that is stopping India to take over Pakistan is the nukes.
Audio of Imran’s interview after his release:
http://ia360619.us.archive.org/3/items/Insafimrankhanreleased/imran_talking_after_release.mp3
Decision taken to suspend Pakistan from Commonwealth. Thank you General!
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/nov2007-daily/22-11-2007/update.htm#10
Breaking NEWS
Last petition against Musharraf’s illegal election rejected.
Hamid Mir and Talat Hussein did their famous shows on streets in Islamabad.
http://www.hindu.com/2007/11/22/stories/2007112256251600.htm
Funny account of Karachi press rally..
http://www.pakistanmartiallaw.blogspot.com/
Supreme Court has also dismissed teh last petition against the election of Musharraf as President and he is giong to take oath on Saturday as President and doff off his uniform.
Political parties are in a problem – they dont know whether to boycott teh elections or not. There is no doubt that elections would be rigged beyond any doubt.
Still political parties only think about themselvels rather than the people. No wonder why people dont come out on the streets for them because they are losing crediblity.
Will the opposition fall into Musharraf trap?
By Ansar Abbasi
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11297
“According to an official source, Maulana Fazlur Rehman could not go beyond the establishment’s script because some intelligence agencies have got explosive stuff against the son of respected late Maulana Mufti Mehmood”.
A very interesting article in newspaper The Express
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100303230&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20071122
Its about how Jammat Islami and IJT terrorised Hamid Mir’s father Waris Mir who used to teach in Punjab University
Yes, it is indeed a sorry picture that the opposition is presenting at the moment as stated by Ansar Abbasi in the article above.
What boggles my mind is Benazir’s attitude. What demon is chasing her from her past that she is so bent upon striking deals with Musharraf? She cannot dream of winning an election with PMLQ present. The next PM, by hook or by crook, is the illustrious Pervez Ilahi (imagine…..). What then has she got to gain with these gimmicks and these sommersaults that she is doing? She has become nothing but a female version of Fazlu.
There is still hope if the opposition presents a united front. All is lost without it. We have Musharraf for life – another Husni Mubarik.
I want to inform teh readers that THE DAILY TIMES is owned by Salman Taseer who has taken oath as interim Minister for Commerce in New Caretaker Cabinet.
Although Najam Sethi has denied it has affected The Daily Times but its also clear that reading from previous editorials and articles – Najam Sethi has been all along advocating a partnership of Musharraf and Benazir and he is very supportive of the coinded term – MODERATES. So all those readers who read this newspaper should read the opinions and content with pinch of salt
@chussain
I had also pointed out that his protege Mubasher Lucman who does the “Lucman.com” talk show on their BusinessPlus channel has also been made a minister in the interim Punjab cabinet.
In October I had posted about his ars*-k*ssing of Mush and Sethi’s of both BB and Mush. Would post the link here but it would end up “awaiting moderation” so just click on my name and see what I mean…
@Tanveer
Is it true about the four cases dismissed on a technicality: the technicality was that the lawyers, deeming the court illegal, did not show up? I do know it is true that Amin Fahim’s petition was withdrawn by his lawyer giving the same reason but yet finding it legal enough to file for withdrawal. So wasn’t PPP playing both sides again???
Oh what a surprise
I am very sorry to say and I really pray that I am proved wrong, that BB is going for a patch up with Musharraf under instructions from teh Americans.
The plan is simple. Musharraf has been vindicated by lota Supreme Court and takes oath as President of Pakistan under REAL 73 CONSITUTION (This man is afriad of taking oath under his own PCO – what an irony – he does not even trust his own PCO ) and once elected there are going to election. Time is so short so that political parties dont get any time to prepare. Plus nomination papers filing is given very short time while withdrawal of papers is given greater time – and then elections would be held and through rigging again a coaliation of PML Q , BB and Fazlu and company would come up and rule us for the rest of five years. Musharraf has to hang up his uniform because there is a real chance of coup against him and he wants that before that happens he becomes President and leaves teh army and hence keep Kiani and army happy.
Bush says Musharraf can be fully trusted – wow what a great deal.
The most thing in todays campaign is not to let BB off the hook and force her to take a decision with the political parties and they should boycott this election. However they should still let their candidates file nomination papers so that PMLQ is not elected unopposed. If at all there is election it should be one to one contest – GOVERMENT VS OPPOSITION.
The National Assembly which comes in power then should rescind all the steps taken by Musharraf under PCO and should declare teh validity of PCO nil and void and there should be a national goverment which should restore the consitution, restore the judiciary, send the army back to barracks and then hold free and fair elections
We thought Kiani would be a saviour but he is just another protege of Musharraf
@Aneeza
Goddammit!…please don’t even mention the name of the other Pervez as PM. Hell, if Punjab Elahi becomes PM (with two Pervez’s in charge) I am gonna go berserk. That would be a nightmare come true for us all….”Mera Khawab…Paindu Punjab..aisay watay mei soanda rehnda wa”.
@qisak
Gen. Kiyani’s full name: Ishfaq Pervaiz Kiyani. So there can be three Pervaiz in charge.
PPP members given go ahead for filing nominations
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=32676
I find it ludicrous that some posters think India wants to take over pakistan and is not doing because of nukes.
In 1971 we didnot have nukes. Our army had lost the war and surrendered. But Indians didnot attack Islamabad after the fall of Dhaka. They are not interested and it is high time that we burst this bogus balloon of fear.
Our army has always created fear in the name of Indian attack when it was our army which attacked India always. India didnot attack us in Kargil— it was our brave (sic) army.
So let us accept India is not interested in us. It is high time that we expell this fear. Our army has diverted our attention regularly towards India in order to ensure that we donot ask for our fundamental rights.
Also we should accept that we cannot win the Indian occupied Kashmir by war. We could not even retain Kargil. India is economically and militarily too strong. It is not in our interest to fight a war with India rather we should fight a war against poverty, unemployment and diseases.
We should fight for our fundamental rights. Lets us get freedom before we go on asking freedom for Kashmiris.
No one in the world takes us seriously when we talk about Kashmir because we our leaders (mostly Fauji Generals) are not allowing us to be free and keep bragging about Kashmiri people.
I ask all of my countrymen: When we can demand the right of Kashmiri people’s right for self determination why can we not get that right ourselves? Why can we not determine as to who should rule us and whether we should live under dictator or democratic rule?
The problem is WE ARE HYPOCRITES.
On one hand we condone islamist terrorists for attacking India / Afganistan but have problem if they capture Imran Khan.
On one hand we are happy to live in dictator rule (why masses are not protesting) and keep demanding democracy for kashmiris.
On one hand wetalk about global disarmament and on the other hand we (our glorious Army) keeps selling nuclear bombs to the world and puts the blame on a patriotic pakistani (Dr. AQ Khan).
On one hand we want moderate democracy and on the other hand we do nothing to stop demands of Shariat rule.
I request all of us (pakistani brothers and sisters) to wakeup.
Recognise that our real enemy is poverty and not India,
our biggest problem is Army (which has captured thae nation’s wealth in fauji foundation) and not america.
We should declare a holy war against unemployment, poverty, lack of education.
BB is focused only on “Saving her rear”. She has become a Biki Hui Cheeze. God save Pakistan.
Farhatullah Babar proved to be an even worse liar, he was claiming that PPP will not participate under the prevailing conditions. I wonder how things changed for PPP and not for rest of Pakistan in the last 24 hours. Yesterday, a common man also blasted BB that she comes to pakistan only when she has sensed a chance to be in power. Another person said, if you find Musharraf and his allies in the future it would be just because of PPP and some silly religious parties.
PPP has allowed his members, Qazi has got his submission papers and we all know Fazal-ur-Rahman is not going to abstain. All those who are left never had any substantial presence in the assemblies anyway (except Nawaz League). Isn’t everything falling back to its place? So lets recapitulate: Musharraf
1) Imposes emergency
2) Throws luni-looking CJ out
3) Get rid of all pesky tv show hosts
3) Becomes president (yet again)
4) Holds general elections
5) Rules another hung parliment for another few years.
Sounds ok to me.
It clearly indicated that the true oppositions to Musharraf are only PML(N) and solo Imran Khan. It is time for them to prove that they can be sufficient to move masses. PML(N) has already been cleaned enough due to NAB filter, removing most of the corrupts out of them, a lot of people trust Imran Khan, so they can atleast gather the common people who are really sick of this regime. I hope lawyers and journalists will also support these politicians. I hope the future would be very bad for Musharraf implying all good for Pakistan.
Is it the same Saima Khan who was so vehenmently supporting Mush and his histrionics? If yes, indeed ma’am you have earned my respect for seeing the light of the day. Not that even everybody’s seeing the true face of Musharraf seems to trigger any change
Hey Saima Khan:
if you tell this to Mush he may take you as his PA. can you describe your look as well so we can compare with Mush and CJ?
The Army deserves all these facilities – 100% for sure. Can Ms Ayesha Siddiqa dare to answer the below questions? I give a concession to her, can she please answer any 5 questions?
1. Who scarified their lives in 1965 & 1972?
2. If there will be wars then who will scarify their lives in future?
3. Who keep awake at the borders throughout the night when whole nation is sleeping?
4. Who saves civilians lives during any natural disasters? Earthquake, floods, wars etc
5. Who are guarding & protecting Pakistan’s most critical nuclear assets?
6. Who is combating terrorism in the best interest of civilians?
7. Who is protecting us from our enemy? Rather enemies?
8. Who protects us from corrupt politicians?
I may keep on adding more questions like these.
Please understand the current situation in Pak. On one side there is Taliban ready to take-over us in the name of Islamisation. On the other edge stands our all-time enemy India. From the third side, US of A is willing to take-over Pak nuclear assets.
I SALUTE TO PAK ARMY! PAK ARMY ZINDABAD!
Tahir Ali:
You have been answered by many earlier. whats the point to posting it again.
Instead do come with answer to cross questions if you have any
One line summary is: Rouge Army is the biggest problem and enemy of Nation.
Aneeza:
Change has been triggered. there is tough resistance and of course different faces have their own history. inshallah there will be change as “Change” is always phenomenal in history, people want it, sacrifice and get it.
@Tahir Ali
You are quite true in your questions but we are against those greedy general(s) who along with some politicians (Q league) have created this mess.
We salute those common faujis and afsars are at their best and there is no doubt about it.
Almost all of you are living abroad and you are trying to push people living in Pakistan to go ahead and get beaten. Shame on you! Did it ever cross your minds that people are not coming out because may be they are ok with their lives?
@ Tahir
If you apply your intelligence you will know that this is their job. They came to the recruiting centre and applied to get inot the Army as most could not do anything else. Besides that this is their job and they are paid regularly for that and enjoy a good life. What we are saying is compare it to the common man of pakistan. the kind of facilities they have cannot be imagined, generals have zoos (yes zoos!) and swimming pools in their houses. Common army officer and jawan are our brothers but they should not support the greedy officers.
One only goes ahead and is beaten up if he has something against what ‘s regime is doing otherwise you should have been more effective to stop them easily because you and many likes you are sitting in Pakistan.
@Saima
In fact, you (like many general and ministers) don’t come from the masses of Pakistan that ‘s why you can never imagine feelings of the real people of Pakistan.
@Saima
Few months ago I read a news in Daily Jang about couple in an interior Sind, who had to sell their new born kid to coup up with hospital expanses.
So you think people are ok with their lives? People don’t come out in streets becuse they don’t have any protection from law and police. If they are put in jails who will take care of them?
Ms. Khan,
Ppl are not coming out because as soon as they do they are greeted by dandas and thrown in jail. It is always the civil society that leads the charge and the poor illiterate starving masses follow when they start getting effected directly by events (which is bound to happen soon if things keep going as they are). So just sit tight and hold your breath coz the fireworks will starts sooner or later.
I would say there is life outside few multinational companies, using latest mobiles, credit card, cars etc. Those struggling in Pakistan from judiciary, media, law and other disciplines are also well payed and feel ok with their lives but their intellectualism demands to stand up against injustice, dictatorship, profit sharing….
example: no body dare talking against jamiat, JI previously, but now taking courage to expose them. time after time…
JUI (Fazlu group) announces names of candidates for 19 constituencies in NWFP.
Longlive IK.
Keep on denting KGM (Kabza Group Mentality). KGM standing tall on its foundation, injustice, as well as its sole pillar.
Thats the reason the KGM from all walks of life got together to stop IK from voicing for Justice.
The Chore commanders are the KGM of Army, the executive commitees of almost all political parties are KGM of politics, Almost all patwaris & tehsildars are KGM of Land, All SHOs are KGM of peace & so on.
So whenever anyone voice for Justice they(KGMs) get together.
madcow is leading caretaker for the rights of all KGMs. Lets get rid of madcow.
Longlive IK
IK has catagorically bycotted the elctions.
Listen everyone now will follow him just like hes the 1st one to vow for the restoration of Judiciary & everyone followed him.
IK thanks for guiding Pakistan in the right direction.
According to Geo TV, Nomination papers for NS, Begum Qalsoom Nawaz, Shahbaz, and his son Hmaza are being drawn from election comission.
Now, it would be political sucide if PTI boycots the elections.
@jojo
My fingers are crossed & waiting for his address to the youth, that would give us somewhat clearer pic abt IKs future & Pak future as well.
http://express.com.pk/epaper/index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=Editorial_PAGE&Date=20071122&Pageno=12&View=1%20id=
Well played Imran Khan by Javed chaudhry
Thanks for your sensible comments on the current issue and I agree with you up to some extent. But I think we don’t know the gravity of the problem. Our problem is the Army Generals but our politicians and elite class beuraucrats coupled with establishment. If you look back 60 years of Pakistan’s history you will see that whenever Army jumped into the business our politicians gave them the safe passage and welcome them. It boosts their desire and keep it long and long. Once we through Army out of our political system then we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. But the question is who will do that? We as a public can not fight with them and our politicians are so corrupts that they just don’t have the right vision. I would let the army rule this country for a while and let them to deal with the dirt politicians and once they will expose each other in 10-20 years then Army will realize the its coordinates are at the boarders not in the parliament and politician will know that there position is best fitted among public not with Army generls.
We are with IK coz hes denting very very successfully & gradually taking the fear of KGMs out from common people.
Thats where hes different even in the crowd.
Longlive IK
I agree with Hina. Musharraf was on this path. He ruled as a dictator first, then an overseer and now as a civilian president. Finally he has to go. Can’t we just wait for that time? I believe his vision is to give a stable political system to Pakistan. I trust him to be a patriot and I trust his vision. The amount that has been spent on education in last eight years is more than what was in the entire history of Pakistan. Gradually there will be enough educated people in Pakistan to make informed decisions. If we remove Musharraf now, we will again go to dark ages where completely illiterate masses were choosing our prime ministers and ministers.
Last eight years have seen unparallel achievements in economy. For all of those who counter this view I just ask you that we have around half a dozen cell phone companies and around a dozen landline or wireless phone companies. There are around 15 channels who are working from inside Pakistan. Thousands of miles of roads have been built and there are many new factories and educational institutions built. HEC has sent thousands of people abroad for higher education. Aren’t those people working in cell phone companies, tv channels, factories, and institutes Pakistani? Before coming here I worked in an institute for two years and we were having a hard time attracting even average teachers because people were getting good pays in industry and nobody wanted to join us although my institute is one of the best in Pakistan. Just citing few examples of somebody selling his kids can’t overshadow the other achievements. May be some of you are sitting abroad because of the policies of this government.
Finally to answer some of the earlier questions: I am not a supporter of MQM (not even Q-league). On the contrary I wish we could return to the earlier period of Musharraf. I am not from Karachi, I am from northern Punjab (and Lahore is not a part of northern punjab). None of my close relatives are in government, nor I get any support from government. In fact many of my relatives are in PPP and PML(N), may be all of them are either on one side or the other. I support Musharraf because I believe in him and I hope he doesn’t disappoint me in the end.
Hina and Saima are using female names and trying to support Musharraf because they dont dare to come in open as males as that people would not tolerate them.
Shame on both of them
Musharraf is robber and he has robbed and raped Pakistan by robbing its constiution and all this mess is for one reason only – HOW TO PROLONG HIS RULE
He has given control of nukes to Americans that is why Bush has suddenly started saying he trusts Musharraf so much.
He sold Kashmir to Indians and he is ready to anything for sake of prolonging his rule. He is GORBACHEV OF PAKISTAN
I think all politicians should participate in elections.
Once Musharraf takes off uniform, he will be a lame duck. The new Army chief will be the new source of Power.
If BB, NS and IK can get atleast 50% of the seats in the new parliament, they can work toghther to get rid of lame civilian Musharraf.
Once NS comes back to Pakistan, there will be massive Q league defections.
BB already has her vote bank.
IK has also gained a lot of support through the last few months.
The only way to get rid of civilian Musharraf and restore the Judges is to win election and do it through parliament.
Once Musharraf takes off uniform, he will be a lame duck and can be get rid off very quickly.
@madcow supporters
If you don’t believe in justice, simply no one of us can help you out.
Be brief in your comments if you wanna say something realy damn good.
Justifications are a part of problem, only rectifications are a part of sloution.
Do you kow Khayyat-ullah? What was his crime?
Saima and Hina may have other net-nicks such as Sheraz, Shahid or Fraz. These guys are part of elites of Pakistan who have looted enough of Pakistan. But want to do more. These are the same people who clicked on “There is no injustice in Pak” in the current poll. What a joke!
It is just a matter of time when these guys will permanently settle somewhere in the US just like the Shah of Iran’s cronies ultimately bought Westwood, California with their loot.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30200-1293934,.html
worth watching. a brief clip IK speaking to sky news about one core issue we are facing and status of current judges
‘current judges can declare General Mush as King if he wants them to!!!’
This is the problem with our educated youth that they are emotional and not rational. We have to eliminate the problem not make it bigger. Army Generals will never dare to intervene the political system if we don’t dance on drum beat and don’t distribute Sweets in Octobor 12, 1999 and in 1977. Can we guarantee that we wont be having and Q league after Mushraf in future.? It is our dirty politicians who corrupted the Army and gave them a safe heaven.
You will all these damn politician will participate in election under PCO and will make it justified action.
@saima
Sorry for being personal..but plz dont use KHAN with ur name..if u dont care about pakhtoons
@madcows
if everything is going in your way then why you are crying?
Just throw some light on Khayyat-ullah if you have some sense
PPP agreed to fight election. IK requested in newspapers to apply for elction seats. Fazal Rehman is in the election. Is that what you guys are fighting for? Come on get rid of bad politicians via bad Army and let Army play his role for next 10 years.
You can not fight with Army with corrupt politicians.
@madcows
if everything is going in your way then why you are crying?
Just throw some light on Khayyat-ullah if you have some sense.
Our politicians could not get drag the public on the roads. You want to trust them.
Every politician is for sale and buyers are corrupt too.
@madcows
ro lo jitna rona hai……..
jee bhar k ro lo………..
Sharam Karo. Abhi Tum sab ke Daant Khatte Kar Dein Gay.
Sabar Karo.Tum loogon ko cchupne ki Jaga nahi mele gee.
Jao Mush ke joote chaato.
@Hina
IK has not decided so far rather he has denied to take part in elctions. Such advertisement was not a well planned and well agreed action.
He will give more clear decision soon.
Updated at 2010 PST
KARACHI: Despite reservations about the upcoming elections, the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) has given its members the go-ahead to begin filing papers to contest the polls.
She made the statements after visiting Nawab Khair Bakhsh Marri, to offer condolences on the death of his son Balach Marri.
Benazir warned that the PPP may still boycott the vote and would remain in close contact with other opposition parties, before making a final decision.
@Hina
and please don’t try to justify rule of Army, if we remain in “IFs” then they will continue robbing country and supprressing leaders and politicians. There is no TOMORROW to start fight against corruption. Aaj kaa kaam Aaj.
Asif,
I am sure some of us missed schools when they told us about manners and ethics and when they taught us how to express ourselves in a public domain.But it is not too late to learn these things.We still can ask out mothers and fathers to teach us again.
Zaheer,
I can assure you all these politician will agian sit among Army general and will ask for their shares.
Do you get my pooint?
@ Hina Altaf ki chamchi
Sharam Karo. Abhi Tum sab ke Daant Khatte Kar Dein Gay.
Sabar Karo.Tum loogon ko cchupne ki Jaga nahi mele gee.
Jao Mush ke joote chaato.
@madcows
Khayyat-ullah ka kya kasoor tha?
Hey guys, read what American intelligentia thinks of Busharraf
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7378
@Hina
then? should we sleep and let them do what they like? how things can change without doing struggle. We have to play our role to get rid of corrupt people(of Army or Politics) as much as we can. Rest is with Allah!!!
Altaf Ke Chamche – Beghiarat
Mush Ke Chamche – Beghiarat
Bush Ke Chamche – Beghiarat
I agree with you Zaheer. So get rid of Army by getting rid of bad guys in politics
Longlive IK
Keep on denting KGM (Kabza Group Mentality). KGM standing tall on its foundation, injustice, as well as its sole pillar.
That’s the reason the KGM from all walks of life got together to stop IK from voicing for Justice.
The Chore commanders are the KGM of Army, the executive commitees of almost all political parties are KGM of politics, Almost all patwaris & tehsildars are KGM of Land, All SHOs are KGM of peace & so on.
So whenever anyone voice for Justice they(KGMs) get together.
madcow is leading caretaker for the rights of all KGMs. Lets get rid of madcow.
Longlive IK
i like this political awakening.
wow my Pakistan is so enlightened now. To all supporter of tyrants, this is not 1977 or 1999.
You cant stop time, it helps evolution.
I bearly comment on things here but sometimes I am really pissed off, people talking about cell phone companies, Tv channels blab bla bla… they don’t have even have little knowledge of economics and business. They still believe that due to mushraf we got 6 GSM cellular companies and independent tv channels, for heaven sake, try to be mature, if you don’t know something about economics at least keep quite rather than giving false arguments in favour of a tyrant.
Please understand world economy and then think of its influence on Pakistan’s, nobody invited companies to Pakistan to invest but MNCs invade countries. People like Musharaf neither can block them nor allow them, all they can do is how well they manage them to invest (where his government clearly failed).
So if people think that our economy stabilised and grew after 1999 due to a tyrant, tell you what if you go for a little more research you will find that we would have grown much more than this, had we were ruled by democratic governments in this era.
Anyway I apologise if I have hurt somebody’s feelings here, but I couldn’t stop myself to comment on people spreading false information.
In my opinion, most of the opposition parties (including PPP) will boycott elections. Even Fazlu won’t have much choice (i know he wants to be with Mush) because of overwhelming decision.
Opposition parties are waiting for Mush to remove uniform which will happen probably on Friday or Saturday.
Mush is gonna fall in his own trap. His fake judges are giving him a fake verdict but he will remove REAL uniform. Rest is history.
@madcow supporters
Remember East Pakistan? We lost it as there were people like you supporting the bloody generals through out the crisis. It will be people like you helping this general who will be blamed for further dismemberment of Pakistan. Hazrat Ali has said that unjust government cannot prolong though those of Kufur with justice can! Madcow has been tottally unjust to the people, media, judiciary, constitution and Islam like his predecessor generals. Give him more time and he will annihilate Pakistan. Mush Hatao, Pakistan Bachao!
@mad cow supporter Hina
you say we cannot fight Army
Momin Ho to Bay Tegh Bhi Larta hai Sepahi
The generals and this Army could never fight a real Army, 48, 65, 71, Kargil, no they cannot fight anyone, Larta wo hai Jis may Dam ho! WE CAN and WE WILL. Their days are numbered and soon we will see them being dragged on the roads of Pakistan.
My response to all of your arguments is
NS got nomination paper
PPP did same
Fazal Rehman did same
Come on are you still after these dirty politicians??????????
@ Madcow supporter Saima
Yes in the end he will not dissapoint you as your and his agenda is same: Annihilate Pakistan or atleast annihilate freedoom and justice from Pakistan! If all the lies about development that you are trying to tell were true even then the poeple do not want to bargain their independence and justice in the society for that.
We want Freedom!
Mush Ka Jo Yar Hai, Ghaddar hai Ghaddar Hai!
Imran Khan’s intelligent stance on elections
http://thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=32695
Syed
Dont tell me that you did not distribute the Sweet and did not dance on drum beat on Oct 12 1999