Invitation to participate in the peaceful demonstration against the grave violations of Human Rights in Pakistan.

3rd Nov 2007 has been written a black day in the history of Pakistan. On this day a military dictator in Pakistan suspended the constitution, suspended citizen’s basic human rights, arrested the judges of higher courts and blocked all TV private news channels.

Thousands of lawyers, students, political and human rights activists have been badly beaten up by the police and locked up because they raised their voice against this dictatorial act. This crackdown is still going on unabated.

To protest against this the Pakistani community in Germany is organizing a protest in Berlin. Details are below.

People from all across Germany are attending this protest. Representatives of various local and foreign media organizations will be present as well.

We would request you to join hands with us in raising voice against these violations.
• We are eager to have some of your members join us in the protest.
• Please post a protest message on your website against this draconian act.

We feel that it is the responsibility of all law-abiding men and women, regardless of nationality, to join hands against such draconian steps. We must join hands together to tell the dictator that we cannot sit back and see him deprive 160 million people of their basic human rights.

Berlin, Germany
Demonstration Schedule:
Date: 1st December 2007
Time: 13:45
Meeting Place: Bebelplatz 10117 Berlin (Unter den Linden 6, 10117)

Bus 100, (Haltestelle Staatsoper)

Route: Bebelplatz, Unter den Linden, Brandenburger Tor
Reichstag (German Parliament) Platz der Republik.
Your participation will give sufficient strength to our voice against the grave violations of Human Rights.

Please confirm it, if you would come.

Ilyas Sadiq
(Coordinator)
Berlin, Germany
Phone: +491637971738, Fax: +49 30 36744302, Email: sadiq191@yahoo.de

@admin
It would be nice to add the tag for the next day when you call it a day. The comments appear better in the right place. Just an opinion :).

President of Pakistan Pervez Musharraf Zindabad

Munir A Malik has been through two dialysis geo News), He said while talking to Geo News that he is feeling better then before and is recovering.

Please pray that may God give him a healthy and long life.

@ Mr. khan,
Your Mush is going to Qabaristan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/avconsole/bb_wm_fs.shtml?redirect=fs.shtml&lang=ur&nbram=1&nbwm=1&bbwm=1&bbram=1&ws_pathtostory=http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/wsindex/int/av/urdu/-/urdu/news/avfile/2007/11/&bbcws=1&ws_storyid=071127_mushinuniform

perhaps he has allowed this email

@MAZHAR ABBAS

WHICH EMAIL …WHAT R U TALKING ABOUT

Pride of Pakistan Imran Khan zindabad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YG1_VeCyWI

Dear All!
I request you to post the ceremony of mush retiring as army cheaf. I have read that it will be shown live on PTV. It would be interesting to see mush’s body language when he does so.
I just can’t sleep. I just can’t believe this. I hope things will start to better after tomorrow and Gen. Kiy
ani does exactly what mush did with NS.

“saqibtahir

good link….. the gu at the end summed it up

‘Pakistan ka matlab kia….Gen Mush to kaho Pakistan to chor ke ja’

@imran
it was just a test. I was trying since months to comment here but always my comments waited like hours before they were appeared here. today i wrote to admin and he said it should work properly now. so i just sent this comment to test.

aoa

ik you make proud to be pakistani as for the rest of them read article below about shabaz sharif, to say i am disappointed with his statement is an understatement.

http://www.aaj.tv/news/news.php?pg=3&show=detail&nid=86866

Aaj is sold to Mush.
Showing Shabaz shareef picture but statement is from Former Federal Minister , Chaudhary Shahbaz PMLQ.

aoa

same old problems, mush will be gone but the army will still be there meddling in politics,
so i for one am not optimistic, but if we get the judges back and media is free that for me is bigger step towards democracy then mush getting rid of his uniform.

completely agree with aftab.
what an U-turn. no difference between BB and sharifs.
i remember the capital talk on foothpath where javed hashmi said that taking part in these election means you are accepting the PCO otherwise you are not member of parliament.
shame on Mians. This shows that this is another deal. Guys this mush is Putin. I am afraid no matter if he leaves the uniform, he will still be dominating the power ministries.

@MAZHAR
I HOPE SO TOO

@Mazhar Abbas
Is it confirmed PTV will show live the ceremony. I can not sleep tonight either. This is the single greatest achievment of pakistani people. I just want to guess from his body language if he is going to Turkey or not. This morning they were showing him taking guard of honor and once I felt he is very depressed. Well he should not be smiling in any case. Should he?

Guys I was also mistaken by the picture on aftab’s link.
but I still feel sharif brothers are not 100% anti-mush. but they had no other choice. I hope they need some time before they can really go hard on mush.
on shahbaz@pmlq’s statement about imran khan.
imran khan is a man of principles and no matter what pmlq says, public are no more fool. an example is:
everyone knows that Talat Hussain and Kamran Khan both critised the Govt. but every knows the difference between the two. Kamran Khan is No. 2
Exactly thats thats the difference between other politicians and IK.

@ Aftab and Mazhar Abbas

Before just chanting slogans, do try to read the news, try to find the facts and then comment.Cant we expect even this from educated people?

This statement is by Shahbaz Hussain (one of the bastards of Q league) who is brother of another bastard judge, ch iftikhar hussain chief justice of Laohre high court.
What else you need to belive NS after his statements, his seechs, his press conferences and his actions (by going to judges, laweyrs and meida persons) that he is standing fir, rather leading the nation as per their desire and will. He did ot for asingle time said that he is there to ebcome PM (although he is sitll the most popular leader).

Lets be rational, base our comments on FACTS and also lets be optimistic and jon hands to get the dictator and his direct and indirect ( Fazlu n BB etc) supporters out of the game.

@pejamistri
well BBC reports so
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/11/071127_mush_lastday_sq.shtml

aoa

brothers my apology, you are right.

cont

i did not read properly

(on Police advice the venue has been changed from Downing street to Parliament Square)

DEMONSTRATION Against the Breaches of Human Rights in Pakistan

Restore the Judiciary!
Free the Media!
Release all political prisoners!

Time & Date: Saturday, 1st December at 1pm
Venue: Parliament Square (East footpath)

Organised by: Doctors Against Breaches of Human Rights in Pakistan (supported by Campaign Against Martial Law & Free Pakistan movements)

Tel. 07786394216 & 07817773438
All welcome

Pakistan ks mutlab kiya?
Musharraf ko bool chor key ja.

Dear GM!
I partly agree with you and I did mention that I was mistaken.
But as you said lets be rational and base our comments on facts.
Didn’t you see that sharif brothers have already submitted their applications for these elections. Does it not mean they are accepting that these elections are legal? Does this not mean that they are practically accepting PCO?
Thats where the difference comes. IK does what he says and sharif brothers actions contradiict their sayings.
I can tell you they are going to take part in elections no matter under which constitution.
Mush has firmly said that justices before 3 Nov are history, then whats the point to take part in elections?

aoa

brothers i do apologise for link before it was an honest mistake, i urge all of us to support ns at the moment as gm said they have taken stance at moment lets see how it plays out, my apologies again for confusion.

@mazhar abbas
This will be at 5:00 AM my time … hope to be awake till that time.

@ Mazhar Abbas

Sir, I request you to wait for just another 40 hours…..we will come to know who is pro mush and who is not….. then we all will bash these two faces politicians.

@Rihat and other!
I wait. We have no other option.

GHQ still deciding how to dismiss the mad general.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11421

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/nov2007-daily/28-11-2007/cartoon.htm

very funny & irony cartoon

My instinct says that the politicians will give Mush a big surprise. BB is pushing him to remove uniform by saying that she won’t boycott. Imran is playing a very positive role: he is not a big threat for Mush but he is a popular and moral pressure on politicians.

I think Major parties will not fight elections if judiciary is not restored. BB will also support this decision unless there is a severe pressure from the US. Even US knows that Pak civil society is not the same as it used to be!

We must remain hopeful. Only devil is pessimist (Iblees means permanently disappointed).

Kami,
I am not very positive that PPP will boycott elections. In fact, I am not too sure about PML-N either. The leadership of these parties do not want judiciary to be restored because it may create hurdles for them in the future.

I also believe that the leadership of these parties also do not want the media to be free as it was pre Nov 3rd because media has been asking tough questions and bringing facts to common masses that were not known before.

well judged by Amir Hameed

Please visit http://www.BoltaPakistan.com to sign the protest and watch tribute to lawyers, students, judges and civil society.

Help us spread the word.

@Amir Hameed

Another “Nazriyya-e-Zaroorat” is a few inches away.
And this time it would be politicians decisions whether they revive “Nazriyya-e-Zaroorat” or say it goodbye once for all.

with the lifting of emergency will the restriction on media also get lifted automatically?

Guys, don’t feel sad. I think we are over looking the pressure from civil society, lawyers, journalists, politicians like Imran Khan, human rights activists, NGOs and intellectuals.

If political parties decide to go ahead without independent judiciary (even if they would like to have Dogar style judges), they will be as condemned as the present government. Democratic governments cannot face that much pressure. Even Mush would have collapsed long time ago if he didn’t have ‘Wardi’ on.

@Kami

I wish the same. but its not that far away, only couple of days, Everything would be crystal clear.

17 Senior Retired Servicemen Draft a Charge-Sheet for Musharraf’s Court Martial
========================================================

On the eve of his retirement, Musharraf has received a parting gift from 17 senior retired servicemen that includes admirals, air chief and generals including General Ali Kulli Khan. Ali Kulli Khan was the one in line to be the next chief when NS promoted Mush over him and others.

Coming back to the “parting gift”, it is really a letter that forms the basis for a court-martial of Musharraf. Amongst other statements the former servicemen have stated that Musharraf’s acts have brought the army into “disrepute”.

Read the details of the letter here:
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\11\28\story_28-11-2007_pg7_48

Peja,
I am sure Mush is having last minute jitters. Tell me if I am reading too much into the letter above. The letter from the 17 senior reputed and respected servicemen is nothing but a charge-sheet for Musharraf’s court martial.
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\11\28\story_28-11-2007_pg7_48

In my humble opinion ‘Boycott or no-Boycott’ decision must be taken by all parties unanimously. There are pros and cons of both cases. In 1985 in a similar but worst siuation MRD decided to boycott and in the end it helped Zia and jamaat Islami politically.

Idealy I agree that Boycott of election in PCO+ Puppet Judiciary & EC is not good.

In politics and war time we need to trick our enemy or enemy will kill you. Mush is dealing with politicians like a war game. He can only be defeated by similar tricks. BB so far is playing great and her tactics made Mush retreat several steps including Sharif’s return. I hope in the end there will a united stand by BB+NS+ Regional paries. MMA parties will always help Army. They are Fauji Jasoos who damage democratic movement in disguise.

The good sign is that BB & NS are discussing their plans on daily basis. Situation is very fluid. If Mush shed his skin tomorrow it will be a great victory and credit goes to BB.

Please read following news item from The News. It raised my hopes of joint strategy.

Opposition moves closer to joint meeting with Benazir:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11427

I would like to add few points in my preious humble analysis.

1. The role of lawyers, Human Rights activists, educated class, and journalists is great and unprecedented. All credit of resistence to Mush goes to them. The role of smaller parties and leaders like IK deserve our two thumbs up. They must keep pressure on Army and natioanl parties.

2. The role of Mullas and their dirty alliance is exposed more than ever before. There is a need to be carefuil from these hypocrites (Qazi and Fazloo).

3. In 1985 some smaller parties in MRD pushed for election boycott. Later it was exposed that these parties were working for Zia and ISI to herd larger parties towards boycott. There is a need to be careful this time.

@saqibtahir
i have a question ,if you r saying that taking part in the election under pco,with no supremecourt ,with all the judges under arrest is wise ,if accepting busharraf as president is wise…when every body can see that bycott by both NS AND BB will be curtains for mush …then im sorry my friend …you are truly truly blindfolded in PPPP’s love and i feel pity on you…is it your ego problem or some thing else but its stuborn fans like you who let there leaders go free without any accountablity

tell me one thing what will make you to talk against bb…is there any thing that wil make you talk against her …plz let me know…bc i think even if she committs mass murder you will find lame excuses to defend it …

\u dissappionted me bro… you suffer from anti mullah and pro bb syndrome…this acute prejudice has ruined ur judgment skill

seriously …take a chill pill and go to sleep

I think at this time as Supporting Benazir is not wise same thing supporting NS too. As he ruled Pakistan twice and due to his not that wise decisions Pakistan never able to achieve any thing significant. No one worked on human development no one had any interest in promoting basic education actual I will give more credit to Dictator for that. NS was tried he has no agenda he is always interested in promoting his own business instead on PAakistan development and of course BB is Proven Corrupt.

@imran malik
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your comment about ::
\u dissappionted me bro… you suffer from anti mullah and pro bb syndrome

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(WELL SAID) I ALSO FEEL ALIKE AFTER READING HIS COMMENTS TIME TO TIME

(A MUST READ)
* ARTICLE OF QAZI HUSSAIN ABOUT PU INCIDENT:
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http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=Editorial_PAGE&Date=20071127&Pageno=12&View=1%20id=
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@ *** for those who has started blind (more than justified) criticism on JI, Mullas etc inspite of the fact that IMRAN Khan himself responded to the incident very correctly (as I was expecting out of his wisdom) —

One person that has benefited a lot from this crisis is Imran Khan. If opposition boycotts elections, Imran can rightly claim that he led all the opposition parties. If opposition somehow decides to go ahead under present circumstances, IK will emerge as ONLY credible politician. He has International stature so he can collect a lot of money for the honest judges.

In any case, this guy is a winner especially in the longer run.

I think BB & NS will take part in elections. But PML-Q will sweep the polls (the results have already been drafted probably). Mush needs 2/3 majority to legitimize his unconstiutional steps (in his own words) and only PML-Q can give him that. The judges will NOT be restored, obviously. The media will have luke warm freedoms, nothing like pre- nov 3rd….

Now IMHO there is a silver lining to this black cloud. I think , and hope, that the once freed from the judcial duties for good, the judges along with lawyers and other members of the civil society will form a new political force. The political parties would already have been trashed by the public due to participation in the farce elections. The new political movement will unite the civil society and the bad eggs of politics will be thrown in trash can for good. In Iqbals words:
utha kay phaenk do bahar gali mein
nai tehzeeb kay anday hain ganday

call this a fools dream….but I hope it comes true…ameen

what we the people can do is to boycott the elections on our own….what a farce these elections would seem if there are 10% or less votes cast….and more so if the govt claims 40% or more and everyone in the world sees that the real turnout is below 10%….this will make these elections sham…and no one will accept the results …. BB , NS , MMA, etc will fall flat on their faces…..

we can do it people…..say NO to elections…all you have to do is to do nothing …..is that asking too much…get the message out….

@Kami

IKs clarity on main issues & his persistance to his words will pay in the long run & hes winning the publics hearts because of his decisions are quite close their opinion.
NS asked the people about their opinion & they very clearly replied “Boycott” so NS should be vey careful this time to take any decision, because its 2007(private electronic media) not 1999(PTV fame age)

@ Zia Gondal

In the same paper, read Abbas Athar and he will tell you the real reason behind Qazi’s article.

Sadly, I have witnessed IJT’s activities in FC college and PU. Their activities are definitely against Islam. I was quite religious and read most of the books on Islam including most of Maudoodi’s. Jamiat’s activities had nothing to do with Moudoodi or had any philosophy. Its only purpose was to suppress anything that had a different view point or leadership. My friend who was Tahir ul Qadri’s follower had a very tough time during his stay in university.

Jamiat was too dominant and dictatorial in nature. IJT used to regularly boycott classes (on Kashmir issue!!!)and threaten teachers. The whole atmosphere seemed anti education. Even the book festival meant selling books of supporters’ of JI. I had to make a lot of efforts to unlearn all that strange ‘knowledge’ which clips your wings rather than making you Shaheen of Iqbal.

Love u IK for denting quite hard on MQM&MMA/IJT Kabza Groups.

@ Asif

It is true what you said about new media. Even though Mush has WRONGLY tried to take credit for that, he could’ve succeeded if he hadn’t done blunders. He will be remembered as the most oppressive dictator.

I remember PTV having many debates with opposition parties leaders after ‘88 elections. A new station named STN emerged. STN was showing CNN till 7pm. It was a great start for free media in pre-satellite era. It was not ideal but it was a start. Al Jazeera started and then during last 6 to 9 years, the whole world saw a great number of private channels emerging.

Even Kabul has 9 free news channels. Bangldesh has many channels and so does Iraq. Musharraf is wrong to take credit for free media. He only hindered the process through his dictatorship.

Most of the countries, including Bangladesh and Afghanistan, have many free channels.Even oppressive Arab regimes have been putting up with channels like Al Jazeera. Only Mush is worse than even Qatari Sheikhs.

@Imran & Zia:

Quote:
__________
you suffer from anti mullah and pro bb syndrome
__________
I do blessed to be anti-Mullah.

At this point I am pro-democracy and pro-freedoms. If BB compromise on these two ideals then I will be the first to criticize her.

I used to hate NS that was Pucha Jamoora of dictator Zia. Now I like NS because he talk about democracy and freedoms and I have no reason not to believe him.

Read my comments carefully. I am all for an anti-Mush alliance of democratic forces.

@Kami
what do you think about the tolerence level of NS & BB as compared to the madcows aadvisors, while facing private electronic media?

We must not forget Munir Malik. I love this person and his struggle. We must pray for him.

http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100306444&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20071127

ON COMING FRIDAY AT LIBERTY CHOWK AFTER JUMMA PRAYERS!

PROTEST AGAINST MARTIAL LAW/EMERGENCY BY ALL UNIVERSITIES, COLLEGES, SCHOOLS OF LAHORE SUCH AS LUMS, PU, ALLAMA IQBAL OPEN UNI, KEC, ILM, FAST, ETC.

SPREAD THE MESSAGE TO YOUNG AND OLD TO BE THERE!

Some slogans heard from previous student protests to let you know how the youth feel. These were heard at some student protests:

“yeh sab ka naara hay, pakistan hamara hay”….”girty hui dewar ko aik dhakka aur do”…”musharraf ko jo yaar hay, ghaddar hay”…”we want democracy”…we see a change…pakistan is undergoing a metamorphosis…join this change and be part of a new era of pakistan - This is the age of black and white revolution led by students and lawyers!

Matter of the fact is that in Pakistan history literally repeating itself and now I think people are looking for the Fatima Jinah.
Remember
1969 2007
Ayub Khan == Mush
Iskander Mirza declared martial law on October 7, 1958,
Ayub deposed Mirza on October 27 in a bloodless coup

Yahya Khan == New Chief of staff
Chief General Yahya Khan on 25 March 1969,

Opposition === Opposition
Bhutto === Bhutto
Media = Media
Courts Dismised courts ( Difference)
His action was condoned by the federal judiciary in particular by Justice Munir.

There was movement in There is movement in North West now
East Pakistan

Now at that time Ayuoob had PCO and emergency and now Mush have the same thing. Bhutto was free and had backing of other powers (not so friend to PK)

Islamic orgs and other honest people are either enemy of the state or in jails.

So now I think all the opposition is looking for is Fatima Jinah!!

And by the steps we took then we can see what is going to happen next in Pakistan if nothing will be changed soon.

@Kami
– Dear I always respect your comments and can feel the underlying sincerity.
– I didnt mean to back the role of IJT eventhough as per my experience of UETs, I feel that IJT was much much better than some other parties in those days when I was studying there. Background of IJT and their positive + negative roles are very openly (and i think righty) pointed out by Qazi in the article.
– What I wanted to say that we should not started blaming JI after the incident (as many started abusing them). Eventhough I couldnt sleep that night due to that insulting behavior with Imran (the only hope being a courageous and laudable leader) but I waited to express aggressively till the picture was clear to some extent. After whatever actions taken by JI and response of IK himself, we should again focus on their struggle for more important issues.
– As far as JI role is concerned, I personally feel that its leaders are much more dignified, decent, social and sincere unlike many drinkers, corrupt and indecent people you can find in any other party especially PPP and MQM. Anybody who have ever met leaders from various political parties can feel this obvious difference only by meeting for a while.
– Anyways wish all of us will see our beloved country under sincere leadership — (let see when)

@ Zia Gondal

Thanks for the appreciation. I don’t mean to say that other parties were better than IJT. They were all Qabza groups whereas IJT was a different type of group with a label of Islam. That is why it attracts more criticism. If you claim to follow Bush, we don’t expect you to behave nicely but following Jinnah means you need to act in a civilized manner.

I think there should be a non political elected Student Union in every university (like in the UK). Baccha parties of political organisations can only make things worse.

@saqibtahir
Dear you have your right to express yourself and either to back BB,NS,IK,MQM or JI. I think I should not blame you like i did. Its good that one should not be rigid (like Jialaz) and should have strength to accept the truth and to back the truth rather than any specific party or personality. Thanks for mentioning your criteria for judgement (democracy and anti-mush alliance)

It is a defining moment for the people of Pakistan to decide about the Politician of Pakistan.I am saying this because people like Benazir bhutto are consistently changing their statements on daily basis about Elections, Judges restoration, Judiciary, emergency, Having Musharraf as future president and other matters.Now it looks as if she is only interested in POWER either way and that is her priority.Politicians like Molana Fazal ur Rehman have been already exposed at the time of Presidential elections.
Now its time for Nawaz Sharif and Company to make a clear stand which he is clearly stating for the last few years and stand with the Judges, Lawyers, Civil society, Media and Politicians like Imran Khan once and for all otherwise Nation would never forgive his betrayal to the cause of Democracy and rule of Law in the country.Now its up to him whether he wants to be remembered as opportunist or the real Statesman.

@aftab
It also got me first time I read it. Please either remove it or put actual facts on a prominent place.
This can hurt feeling of many ppl counting on NS.

@ Asif

Behaviour of NS and BB in the face of independent electronic media will be very interesting. Let me explain.

My friend from Pakistan called me. He was laughing when he told me that Bush had said that Musharraf had done the most for democracy. I told him Bush was serious and he believed in what he said. I think Musharraf could be ideal of Bush and he can only wish to control press and opposition like Musharraf did. Bush must be saying ‘O Lord! why didn’t you make me as powerful as Musharraf, why do I have to answer everyone’.

All rulers would prefer a mute press. It doesn’t matter what their behaviour would be. Only thing that matters is how strong the civil society is. Civil society in the US produced films like ‘Foreignheit 9/11′ and they were shown in cinemas all over the world. We are on the path of becoming a stronger civil society and we don’t give a monkey what BB & NS would think about OUR free press.

All the Kabza Groups must be humiliated at all levels irrespective of the lable they carry with them.

IJT is a well known Kabza Group in PU, aprticularly & in Lahore in general.

I completely agree with Kami, there should be a neutral Students Union.

@Kami

You are right no leader wants to be grilled by the free electronic media espacially our old class of politicians.
But I would love to see BB NS madcow to be grilled in the same way as pre-nov3.

@Asif
If you have been through the article by Qazi Hussain (link given above), after giving a historical orientation, he has clearly mentioned that best solution is to allow student unions.

@Asif
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/nov2007-daily/28-11-2007/cartoon.htm
very funny & irony cartoon

Would have been nice if the table representing election was full of bottles of wine or maybe a roasted pig …

I don’t consider Qazi as an authority for for recommending anything, because his column shows his how weak he is within JI & IJT circles.
In PU literllay chiriya bhi apr nahi maar sakti baghair IJT ki permission k. To blame intelegence is no more than a lame excuse. I don’t buy it.

@Asif
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/nov2007-daily/28-11-2007/cartoon.htm
very funny & irony cartoon

Would have been nice if the table representing election was full of bottles of wine or maybe a roasted p*g …

Both BB & NS have ruled Pakistan twice and in their time Pakistan never able to achieve in any way significant.Every time they failed. NS had no agenda he is always interested in promoting his own business instead in PAakistan and of course BB is Proven Corrupt leader of the world.
Only Musharraf or you may call him Busharraf the dictator…. has done so many things for betterment for Pakistan then any ruler of Pakistan has ever done in the history

@Asif you don’t buy it even if Imran Khan is saying it is true???. We should look beyond our personal hatred and concentrate on facts. Why are you so adamant in saying that Intelligence is not involved in these activities when every other mess in the country is due to them

@downmsuhdown

I think you don’t kmow PU, have you ever visisted PU?

Mush ’skin doff’ ceremony live on Geo news.

SOME BOLD-FACED LIES

Govt claims “No ban on Geo”
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11422
“Deputy Attorney General Rizwan Siddiqui vehemently stated that there is no written order issued for suspension and the respondents have not imposed any ban or suspension on Geo TV Network.”

Govt Claims “No restrictions on Deposed SC Judges”
http://www.dawn.com/2007/11/27/top7.htm
“Caretaker Interior Minister Lt-Gen (retd) Hamid Nawaz said on Monday that the deposed judges, including Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, were not under detention and they were free to go anywhere in the country.”

Betraying justice for what?
Clearly none of bigger political parties cares a hoot for the deposed and purged judges of superior courts, still under detention, except Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan. PPP and even PML-N leaders have joined the US project to strengthen the hitherto Pakistan army chief’s cause. One directly and other through the Saudi king. The two buddies, Gen. Musharraf and US President George Bush, have shown they prefer the sword to be mightier than law, reason and pen. Most of the others have been overwhelmed or bought.

Yet most Pakistanis acknowledge the PCOed judges and the legal fraternity led by the shining galaxy of Justice Wajihuddin, Munir Malik, Aitzaz Ahsan, Ali Ahmed Kurd and so many famous or work-a-day lawyers as their heroes. These continue blazing a trail for the people to follow. They want respect for all human beings as equal and valuable for whom rule of law is a must. That requires judges and lawyers who value human freedom and who refuse to bow before autocratic rulers unendingly uttering deceptive falsehoods. The Judges led by Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry and all 60 or more judges (who resigned in protest) constitute the true Supreme and High Courts in which legitimacy of law resides. They need to be saluted every day — and their lead followed.

This great betrayal of rule of law and human freedom — the heart of democracy – was spearheaded by the JUI chief and PPP chief, each wired to General Musharraf and the US administration respectively. They will legitimise the Army Chief’s actions of imposing the state of emergency (martial law really). Everyone knows that all the shots will continue to be called by the hitherto COAS behind the make-belief screen of caretakers and elections will be ‘managed’ through the agencies. Aware citizens expect these polls to produce Musharraf-desired results. Hitherto, the PML-N chief had refused any kind of deal with Musharraf and supported the old judiciary’s restoration. One fears that the US may have forced him to climb Musharraf’s bandwagon. He had been firm in demanding the withdrawal of emergency, the PCO and the restoration of the pre-Nov. 3 judiciary. One will wait for a few days before tarring him with the same brush as Benazir to know what exactly transpired at a putative meeting where the American ambassador was also present.

It is too late to remonstrate either with major parties about why they want to participate in an election held under emergency restrictions and in which agencies will do their mischief or to make futile appeals to Gen. Musharraf’s conscience. The former, in fact, had only minor differences with Musharraf and have composed them. The latter is likely to think his grand strategy has succeeded and he is home and dry for the next five years.

And yet Nov. 3’s emergency, PCO and media curbs will deepen all the fault-lines, indeed fissures, in the polity. All those who are participating in such an election are obliging the US and strengthening Musharraf so they can supposedly fight the Taliban and Al Qaeda better. But they should still think about what another five years of an unreformed Musharraf’s rule will do to Pakistan’s body politic.
(cont…)

Betr*ying justice for what?
Clearly none of bigger political parties cares a hoot for the deposed and purged judges of superior courts, still under detention, except Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan. PPP and even PML-N leaders have joined the US project to strengthen the hitherto Pakistan army chief’s cause. One directly and other through the Saudi king. The two buddies, Gen. Musharraf and US President George Bush, have shown they prefer the sword to be mightier than law, reason and pen. Most of the others have been overwhelmed or bought….(cont.)

@admin

Asif on November 28th, 2007 5:16 am

someone using my ID for his own interests, please ban him & delete these comments. Thanks

Asif on November 28th, 2007 5:16 am

someone using my ID for his own interest.
beware of this one

Asif(Real one):
Your ID’s been stolen…Why are do all these Mush supporters such bl**dy cowards? Sometimes they use my ID to support Mush or speak against IK, sometimes they are from Glasgow/UK/etc. Now it’s Asif’s turn…Proves you guys have nothing to stand on you p&thetic sw*nes…

MUSHARRAF is making his last speech…. you can watch this live @
geo.tv

@nota

its not there fault they are without skin. sharm k maarey saamney nahin aatey.

@observer:
No, Thanks!
(Doubt it is his last speech, anyways, as our so called leaders seem bent upon accepting him as their prez for another five years.)

What the heck is he talking about. He broke his oath, turned the khaki color into sh!t color and now he is talking about honor.

Time for real drama begins now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nice “Free Munir Malik” Graphic

@Asif
Time to separate truth from lies!!!!!

Dear nota,

Please have courage to listen Mush supporter as others are istening/reading your comments. My views are that there are certain Indian & Isrealeis agents sitting behind this web site and churning useless comments against Musharaf. These agents are enemy of our beloved Pakistan. They are creating bad image of our country in the eyes of other countries. These type of people should be ashamed & immediately stop their Jewish lobby agenda.

LOL @ AFAQ

i think the multiple ID spammer is back

@Afaq
“Please have courage to listen Mush supporter as others are istening/reading your comments.”

Afaq, or what ever you are. I will listen to them as soon as they have the courage to at least use their own identity … doing otherwise proves you are p&theric c*nts…

HELLO LOST PEOPLE,

DID YOU HEAR WHAT OUR PRESIDENT SAY?

HE SAID THAT ELEMENTS LIKE SOME OF YOU HERE ARE LOST SOULS, BACKWARD SOULS, SUPERFICIAL SOULS, SOULS WITH VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE, SOULS WHO ARE ZEALOTS, SOULS WHO DO NOT KNOW THE REAL STORY, SOULS WHO DO NOT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THINGS WORK- YET YOU PEOPLE TALK AND EXPRESS YOUR TRAITOR-LIKE VIEWS.

YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR OWN COUNTRY’S ARMY. YOU TALK LIKE UNDER SOME ENEMY AGENDA, OR YOU DO JUST THIRD-CLASS POLITICS; CHEAP POLITICS.

YOU PEOPLE WANT YOUR ARMY TO COME AND HELP YOU OUT FROM ALL BAD THINGS THAT HAVE STRUCK YOU. YOU WANT YOUR ARMY JAWANS TO COME AND BAIL YOU OUT FROM ALL ACCIDENTS THAT HAVE STRUCK YOU. YOU WANT YOUR ARMY SOLDIERS TO TURN UP WITH THEIR CRANES AND CARS, AND TANKS AND TRAILORS, RIFLES AND REVOLVERS, WITH THEIR TALENT AND EXPERTISE.
IT IS YOUR ARMY THAT COMES AND DOES THE HARD WORK, WHETHER IT IS AN EARTHQUAKE OR IT IS FLOODS, WHETHER IT IS AN ATTACK FROM THE ENEMY OR IT IS THE ATTACK FROM REBELS OR TERRORISTS FROM YOUR COUNTRY.

YOU CRIB, YOU SHOUT, YOU SCREAM, YOU DEMAND- YOU ARE SCARED AND CRYING. AT ALL MOMENTS LIKE THIS, IT IS YOUR ARMY THAT BAILS YOU OUT OF THIS STATE. THE ARMY PLACES YOU BACK ON A PEDESTAL, WHERE YOU AGAIN START LAUGHING.
BUT LIKE TYPICAL UNGRATEFUL HUMAN BEINGS, YOU FORGET THE TIMES WHEN YOU WERE CRYING AND COWERING, TREMBLING AND QUIVERING, SHAKING WITH FEAR. TRUE TO NATURE OF THE SHALLOW-BEINGS, YOU BECOME UNGRATEFUL, AND
FORGET AND START TALKING NONSENSE.

HOW COME YOU UTTER WORDS AGAINST YOUR ARMY, WHICH YOU WANT FOR YOUR HELP?

THERE WILL BE A LOT OF YOU, WHO WILL GIVE YOUR EXPLANATIONS, NOT HERE, BUT WILL THINK IT OUT IN YOUR HEADS, BUT NO EXPLANATION OR DEFENCE TO WHAT I HAVE SAID, WILL SUFFICE. IT WILL NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
IT WILL BE JUST AS BAD AS IMRAN KHAN’S VERBAL DIARRHEA.
IMRAN KHAN NEEDS ANTI-ANXIETY DRUGS; BESIDES, A LOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING HIM NEED TO ATTEND SOME CLASSES IN NATIONAL DEFENCE COLLEGE.
PAKISTAN SHOULD START CLASSES TO EDUCATE THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE NATIONAL AFFAIRS, BUT BECAUSE OF THEIR HALF-BAKED KNOWLEDGE ARE HURTING THE NATIONAL INTERESTS.

WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE?
THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT, TO MUSHARRAF COMES, ‘PAKISTAN FIRST’. TO MANY WITH VERBAL DIARRHEAS, ‘PAKISTAN COMES WAY DOWN THE LIST’.

I missed the last speech of mad general , but seems he was of rhetoric.
I WANT TO CONGRATULATE WHOLE NATION FOR THEIR SUCCESSFUL STRUGGLE TO THROW A MAD GENERAL OUT OF ARMY.
This is the biggest achievment, but our struggle is going on and our next milestone will be restoration of judiciary and constitution.

Kat tay bhee chaloo , barhtay bhee chaloo
bazoo bhee buhat hain, sar bhee buhat
chal tay bhee chaloo kay ab deray
manzil hee per dalay jain gay

I am happy to see a new General in command.
I wish he will reverse military’s policy of “Musharaf’s ethnic war” against its own ppl.
Pakistan has to respect Pashtoon culture, their desire for Shariah and their anti-west sentiments.

@nota

tut! tut! such filthy language!

I think that it is Mush-bashers on this website who are strongly concealing their ID then pro-Mush commentators. And yes, you have to develop your level of tolerance to a higher degree to listen to alternative opinions as this remains the basic building block of any democracy whether in a country or on a website.

Otherwise there is absolutely no difference between the likes of you and worst dictators the world over!

May Allah Bring Misery and Curse to Musharaf and his Family.

Never trust a Tiny Liberal Minority in a Muslim Country. Musharaf is Mir Jaffar and Mir Qasim of our Age.

@Afaq:
Don’t know about” certain Indian & Isrealeis agents sitting behind this web site churning useless comments against Musharaf” but I do know this:

An Unlkely Visitor Gives Support to Musharraf
With the blessing of Washington, Jack Rosen, chairman of the American Jewish Congress’s Council for World Jewry, traveled halfway across the globe for a face-to-face meeting with Musharraf, who he had hailed two years ago as a courageous leader and driving force in Jewish-Muslim dialogue.

Pakistan’s President To Meet With American Jewish Leaders
In 2003, just before traveling to the United States to meet with President Bush, Musharraf broke new ground when he suggested that Pakistan might need to rethink its refusal to establish diplomatic relations with Israel.