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		<title>By: Zarak Khan</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2007/12/03/better-pakistan-3-december-07/#comment-34045</link>
		<dc:creator>Zarak Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 05:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noble thoughts Mr Farooq Ahmed.....but while you are advising Pakistanis to experience Gen Mirza Aslam Baig's sudden expert view of the world you should also read his shenanigans of rigging elections and fraud in the Mehran Bank case at the same time.

http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20071208.htm

You and your ilk fail to understand that Pakistanis are fed up with the army meddling in their daily lives. No more generals, colonels, majors.... we have had enough

Politicians might be corrupt and the worst people on this planet but we must give ourselves and our children a chance. The system will flush itself out...maybe not in our lifetimes but perhaps in our childrens.

The army must fulfill its role as defenders of our borders and nothing else. Today they have been reduced to nothing more than a rag tag outfit that surrenders by the hundreds to illiterate wild tribesmen without even firing a single bullet. in fact I was erading today that the police is protecting the army in one of the NWFP cities. What a shame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noble thoughts Mr Farooq Ahmed&#8230;..but while you are advising Pakistanis to experience Gen Mirza Aslam Baig&#8217;s sudden expert view of the world you should also read his shenanigans of rigging elections and fraud in the Mehran Bank case at the same time.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20071208.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20071208.htm</a></p>
<p>You and your ilk fail to understand that Pakistanis are fed up with the army meddling in their daily lives. No more generals, colonels, majors&#8230;. we have had enough</p>
<p>Politicians might be corrupt and the worst people on this planet but we must give ourselves and our children a chance. The system will flush itself out&#8230;maybe not in our lifetimes but perhaps in our childrens.</p>
<p>The army must fulfill its role as defenders of our borders and nothing else. Today they have been reduced to nothing more than a rag tag outfit that surrenders by the hundreds to illiterate wild tribesmen without even firing a single bullet. in fact I was erading today that the police is protecting the army in one of the NWFP cities. What a shame!</p>
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		<title>By: Farooq Ahmed</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2007/12/03/better-pakistan-3-december-07/#comment-33823</link>
		<dc:creator>Farooq Ahmed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please read this article written by Mirza Aslam Baig, and I urge every Pakistani to look at the BIG picture for the sovereignty of Pakistan, which was also pointed by Turkish President. We should not fight among each other, as we are right now and try to understand the threats against Pakistan. 

http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/article_detail.php?id=135</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please read this article written by Mirza Aslam Baig, and I urge every Pakistani to look at the BIG picture for the sovereignty of Pakistan, which was also pointed by Turkish President. We should not fight among each other, as we are right now and try to understand the threats against Pakistan. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/article_detail.php?id=135" rel="nofollow">http://www.ahmedquraishi.com/article_detail.php?id=135</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kami</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2007/12/03/better-pakistan-3-december-07/#comment-33575</link>
		<dc:creator>Kami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DEMOCRACY IN ISLAM

Anyone who has read Quran knows that Democracy is very close to Islam. Infact, Caliphate was earlier system for democracy.

Democracy in Khilafat:

For electing Khalifa, opinions of people from all walks of life were sought. Some people wrongly think of nomination as a main source. After nomination, opinion (voting) was taken from even traveling tribes (including women and children!!)

Democracy in Quran:

A verse from Quran says that Muslims rule with mutual consultation (Shura).

Who should be consulted: Anyone who has interest in that. For example, everyone has interest in electing their rulers. If a matter is of technical nature, then only experts should be consulted.

Democracy in Hadith:

Holy Prophet always asked for opinion of their companions and accepted the majority decision. On one point, majority opinion was against the path recommended by Holy Prophet. He (PBUH) chose majority verdict even though they lost the war because of that (and this way He (PBUH) set an example to us to seek opinion (Shura) and respect that even though we think that we are right!!!

Those who say there is no Democracy, are those who will never win elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DEMOCRACY IN ISLAM</p>
<p>Anyone who has read Quran knows that Democracy is very close to Islam. Infact, Caliphate was earlier system for democracy.</p>
<p>Democracy in Khilafat:</p>
<p>For electing Khalifa, opinions of people from all walks of life were sought. Some people wrongly think of nomination as a main source. After nomination, opinion (voting) was taken from even traveling tribes (including women and children!!)</p>
<p>Democracy in Quran:</p>
<p>A verse from Quran says that Muslims rule with mutual consultation (Shura).</p>
<p>Who should be consulted: Anyone who has interest in that. For example, everyone has interest in electing their rulers. If a matter is of technical nature, then only experts should be consulted.</p>
<p>Democracy in Hadith:</p>
<p>Holy Prophet always asked for opinion of their companions and accepted the majority decision. On one point, majority opinion was against the path recommended by Holy Prophet. He (PBUH) chose majority verdict even though they lost the war because of that (and this way He (PBUH) set an example to us to seek opinion (Shura) and respect that even though we think that we are right!!!</p>
<p>Those who say there is no Democracy, are those who will never win elections.</p>
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		<title>By: Kami</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2007/12/03/better-pakistan-3-december-07/#comment-33574</link>
		<dc:creator>Kami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Asad

I don't have malice towards religious right. I have malice towards our bearded mullahs who are power hungry.

Democracy is the modern shape of Sharia Law. People have the right to decide (even if that goes against certain FATWAS). God has given us choice and as a result he will punish or reward us. 

If you give no choice to anyone, how can anyone be sent to hell for choosing something wrong? 

There is no compulsion in religion (Quran)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Asad</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have malice towards religious right. I have malice towards our bearded mullahs who are power hungry.</p>
<p>Democracy is the modern shape of Sharia Law. People have the right to decide (even if that goes against certain FATWAS). God has given us choice and as a result he will punish or reward us. </p>
<p>If you give no choice to anyone, how can anyone be sent to hell for choosing something wrong? </p>
<p>There is no compulsion in religion (Quran)</p>
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		<title>By: Malek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i must add to my prev msg;  IK has rapidly become popular due to his clear support and stance on judiciary amongst many others.  

My prayers are with him that he succeeds and we get a clean leader in the form of IK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i must add to my prev msg;  IK has rapidly become popular due to his clear support and stance on judiciary amongst many others.  </p>
<p>My prayers are with him that he succeeds and we get a clean leader in the form of IK</p>
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		<title>By: Asad</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2007/12/03/better-pakistan-3-december-07/#comment-33563</link>
		<dc:creator>Asad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@athar @kami
I agree with athar's point here. Kami you seem to have a malice against the religious right. if by barbarism you directly mean shariah laws then you should get back to the sources (Quran Hadees) and check whether shariah is barbaric or not. the problem is shariah has not been implemented in its true sense for the past 13 centuries. So you'll say whats the piont in implementing it now b/c its "backward". but then you talk of democracy. Any body can choose any thing they like right??? So lets the people decide.

But there is one thing that goes against shariah implementation. The people who are professing it are not upto speed with modern realities. The system of governance that is required now should be an amalgamation of shariah and the modern governing institutes that have developed in the past 300 years. It should work like a modern state with all the apparatus of a modern state and bounding them with any sets of laws they like, be it shariah or man-made. 

This requires a great vision and comprehension which cannot be achieved by people who are anti-anything-modern. Modern education with a religious background and an intellectual edge will give you a progressive and forward-looking leadership that can grasp the real issues and mold the society in a manner that is coherent with both modern times and shariah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@athar @kami<br />
I agree with athar&#8217;s point here. Kami you seem to have a malice against the religious right. if by barbarism you directly mean shariah laws then you should get back to the sources (Quran Hadees) and check whether shariah is barbaric or not. the problem is shariah has not been implemented in its true sense for the past 13 centuries. So you&#8217;ll say whats the piont in implementing it now b/c its &#8220;backward&#8221;. but then you talk of democracy. Any body can choose any thing they like right??? So lets the people decide.</p>
<p>But there is one thing that goes against shariah implementation. The people who are professing it are not upto speed with modern realities. The system of governance that is required now should be an amalgamation of shariah and the modern governing institutes that have developed in the past 300 years. It should work like a modern state with all the apparatus of a modern state and bounding them with any sets of laws they like, be it shariah or man-made. </p>
<p>This requires a great vision and comprehension which cannot be achieved by people who are anti-anything-modern. Modern education with a religious background and an intellectual edge will give you a progressive and forward-looking leadership that can grasp the real issues and mold the society in a manner that is coherent with both modern times and shariah.</p>
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		<title>By: Malek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>despite all the msgs above i am still not convinced that IK is the leader of the same stature as NS or even BB.  may be in years to come if continues to show leadership qualities and clear stance on policies of wider nature rather than just one or two he will be.  Sorry without offending anyone this is my opinion.

i feel i will be ambushed again knowing that there are number of IK suppoters on the site (although not sure if its just 1/2 people changing names as there are lots of new names?)

@Madiyaan.  thanks for the details you provided.  I fully understand and agree with those particularly paras 1 and 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>despite all the msgs above i am still not convinced that IK is the leader of the same stature as NS or even BB.  may be in years to come if continues to show leadership qualities and clear stance on policies of wider nature rather than just one or two he will be.  Sorry without offending anyone this is my opinion.</p>
<p>i feel i will be ambushed again knowing that there are number of IK suppoters on the site (although not sure if its just 1/2 people changing names as there are lots of new names?)</p>
<p>@Madiyaan.  thanks for the details you provided.  I fully understand and agree with those particularly paras 1 and 2.</p>
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		<title>By: asa</title>
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		<dc:creator>asa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Malek 

Bro plz give me a break 

Instead of thanking GOD that at least a man with reputation and honour entered a dirt ( in PAK ) like politics what we are doing is reminding him of his weak points &#38; dragging his leg out of politics.

Can anyone bring one name among the rest of politicians who have one 1 percent of what IMRAN has done for this land?.

Btw IK is first one who talked abt Free &#38; independent Judiciary frankly speaking when he formed Party ..i heard first time abt Free judiciary i thought at that time what the hell he is talking abt its not an issue for Pakistan.

If IMRAN goes out of politics, do we honestly believe any chance of any other GOOD GUY joining politics in future ?

MY entire family vote is for IK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Malek </p>
<p>Bro plz give me a break </p>
<p>Instead of thanking GOD that at least a man with reputation and honour entered a dirt ( in PAK ) like politics what we are doing is reminding him of his weak points &amp; dragging his leg out of politics.</p>
<p>Can anyone bring one name among the rest of politicians who have one 1 percent of what IMRAN has done for this land?.</p>
<p>Btw IK is first one who talked abt Free &amp; independent Judiciary frankly speaking when he formed Party ..i heard first time abt Free judiciary i thought at that time what the hell he is talking abt its not an issue for Pakistan.</p>
<p>If IMRAN goes out of politics, do we honestly believe any chance of any other GOOD GUY joining politics in future ?</p>
<p>MY entire family vote is for IK</p>
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		<title>By: asa</title>
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		<dc:creator>asa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although feeling of doing somethyng for Pakistan was dug deep in the heart of Pakistaniâ€™s, Imran Khan gives a glimmer of hope, rekindles the spirit burried in the hearts and no one focuse abt his personal life. Theyâ€™re not interested in Imran Khan, his playboy status, or anythyng. Theyâ€™re interested in following a man who is trustworthy and can make a turn around for the nation, be it Imran Khan, be it CJ, be it Lawyers!!

Fortunately the man we have trusted is Imran Khan :))

go Imran go</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although feeling of doing somethyng for Pakistan was dug deep in the heart of Pakistaniâ€™s, Imran Khan gives a glimmer of hope, rekindles the spirit burried in the hearts and no one focuse abt his personal life. Theyâ€™re not interested in Imran Khan, his playboy status, or anythyng. Theyâ€™re interested in following a man who is trustworthy and can make a turn around for the nation, be it Imran Khan, be it CJ, be it Lawyers!!</p>
<p>Fortunately the man we have trusted is Imran Khan :))</p>
<p>go Imran go</p>
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		<title>By: madiyaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>madiyaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 18:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Malek:

You have to know the background of the situation when IK was backing Musharraf. This was in the backdrop of the NS government and people were generally unhappy about NS's performance. Musharraf, in his own words, said that he wanted to get rid of "sham democracy." IK has, countless times, admitted that supporting Mush at that time was his gravest mistake. According to IK, if someone can fake sincerity, he/she can win over everyone. IK fell into the trap laid by Musharraf... Musharraf faked his sincerity (we all know what kind of puppet democracy he brought to Pakistan).

Thing with IK is that he isn't afraid of standing up for his principles. Unlike everyone else who still filed nomination papers to take into account "ground realities", IK boycotted because he stood up for a principle. 

Also, the track record of other politicians aren't very good. NS himself stormed the Supreme Court once, and BB was convicted in a foreign court. On the other hand, IK built the nation's only free Cancer Hospital and Research Center.

My vote is for IK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Malek:</p>
<p>You have to know the background of the situation when IK was backing Musharraf. This was in the backdrop of the NS government and people were generally unhappy about NS&#8217;s performance. Musharraf, in his own words, said that he wanted to get rid of &#8220;sham democracy.&#8221; IK has, countless times, admitted that supporting Mush at that time was his gravest mistake. According to IK, if someone can fake sincerity, he/she can win over everyone. IK fell into the trap laid by Musharraf&#8230; Musharraf faked his sincerity (we all know what kind of puppet democracy he brought to Pakistan).</p>
<p>Thing with IK is that he isn&#8217;t afraid of standing up for his principles. Unlike everyone else who still filed nomination papers to take into account &#8220;ground realities&#8221;, IK boycotted because he stood up for a principle. </p>
<p>Also, the track record of other politicians aren&#8217;t very good. NS himself stormed the Supreme Court once, and BB was convicted in a foreign court. On the other hand, IK built the nation&#8217;s only free Cancer Hospital and Research Center.</p>
<p>My vote is for IK.</p>
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