In islam woman can never Rule, Allah has cursed those nations were woman ruled. Fazlur Rehman is a munafiq and Benazir is the most corrupted ruler pakistan has ever produced… oh wait a minute pakistan has only produced corrupted rulers. the reason is that we ourself are corrupted.

may Allah have mercy on us. Ameen

These Politicians they think they are all that, i have to say one thing at this point BB has no shame she’s a horrible horrible women her father was killed by a military dictator and all she cares about is being a PM. This movement will never die, musharrafs days are numbered and so are Jui-F and PPP.

Strange thing reported by GEO is that PPP will not field candidate against Fazlu who is most vulnerable to be defeated in this election and in return Fazlu will not field candidate against BB in Larkana this is a joke , Fazlu can not even find a candidate in Larkana let alone field him against BB.
I never thought PPP is so dumb to have such a deal. I hope they did not agree on a similar deal with Mush

I hope this is not true. BB is a clever woman and I think she is playing a game with Mullahs. I would wait for PPP person to clarify this.

Protest in Islamabad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_fV5ppxaE

These people make me proud

Dalla and the hore get together.

Look at at OIL prices. What else will you expect from Diesel.

I salute These People .If few more acts like them then we don not have to wait much longer to get back our heo judges on the job and they will start cleaning the mess with contnuing public support such as demonstrated by these people in the Islamabad Demonstration And good thing is police is not showing as brutal behavious as was in the case IMRAN KHAN sisters Protest in LAHOre

These 2 are in the boat openly supporting Musharaf and they do not want the restoration of the Judges BB has said this clearly. Many of the bigwig Lawyer belong to PPP and I am surprised no one says anything and even lawyers do not question PPP lawyers about their sincerity in Lawyers movement. I am surprised about Raza Rabbani, who says this matter should be left to next parliament, which ofcourse will get 2/3 majority PLMQ and JUI F, and then what???

I think persoally the Benazir is the top Corrupt leader and the second one is Nawazsharif and fazlu is top munafiq.
But very sad to say that pkpolitics.com loset its neutrality coz it is favoring more NZ than others e.g.
When BB arrived pak no coverage to her by Pkpolitics.com but great for NZ.
Positive steps of NZ are more elaborated than on BB by pkpolitics.com.
Negative points of BB are more elaborated than NZ on pkpolitics.com.
I think this pkpolitics.com is financed by the Nawaz sharif and this site is no more neutral.

Amazingly all along in the past 3 years the combined opposition could not be formed because BB did not want SIT with Malunas unless maulna leave the Baluchistan Government but know same maluna and BB are sitting ro gether to help MUSH to advance External GUNDA MAFIA AGENDA

Well let’s just say “PPP, Fazlu, and Nawaz Parners in Elections”. Now that it is certain APDM won’t be boycotting, maybe under the guise of the “charter of demands” it was seat adjustment between PPP and PML-N that was going on. Can’t be that they were discussing judiciary issue all these days as advertized.

BB IS AGENT OF USA AND ALL SHE WANTS IS PM SLOT WHAT MAY COME EVEN IF SHE HAS TO COMPROMISE WITH THE SELF IMPOSED DICTATOR WHO HAS TAKEN OATH TO PROTECT THE CONSTITUION OF PAKISTAN WHO HIMSELF HAS SHREEDED IT . WHAT A SHAME. BOTH R SHAMELESS ANIMALS.

@Iqbal Hussain

Majority of people on this site want two things, and they want the first one the most. Now it is a wish and might never happen. But it just tells you where the audience of this site stand

1) Restore Judiciary
2) Take back Pemra ordinance, so we can see our favorite anchors (Kashif Abbas, Talat, hamid Mir etc)

Now for above two steps, only NS is talking about Judiciary. So give me an honest answer where does BB stand on this.

Your honest answer will tell you who is financing this site.

BB and FAZL did not agree to include the restoration of judges point in the charter of democracy, NS and others are trying hard to convince them. If NS and IK succeed, curtains for MUSH, but I doubt it.

I pray that this doesn’t happen. I can’t trust Ghafoor Haideri either.

Assalam u Alikum
Dear Admin

Hope u r well .. this suggestion has nothing to do with the BB, Diesel deal but i want to bring into ur consideration a following suggestion..you may take this matter if u think it is ok .

i read in the news tht the judges who have not taken oath will not get any pension.(ofcourse the suggestion wil be applicable if this thing happens). My suggestion is this tht if this is true then for sure we can set up a fund.This fund will be used for the betterment of deposed judges only. I am sure tht people will come forward and wil donate in this fund whole heartidly. Because if u see it is the Judges who have made sacrifices and not the political parties. the role of every politician is very shameful.

secondly we should not think tht setting up such fund wil be doing some “Ehsaan” on the judges but i think this is a must thing to do as a duty from every person who believes in the free judiciary.infact these brave Judges have done EHSAAN on us.

this is just wht i thought.. if the suggestion is not worth putting in front of other people then its ok.

take care and Allah Hafiz

@econfused,
What a wiered logic about saying that this website is sponsored by someone like NS or BB.
What do you think all the TV channels who were critising Govt are sponsored by political parties. The lawyer movement after March was sponsored by CJ? I just dont get it how we can say that this website is sponsored by some political leaders.

In my opinion, Pkpolitics web site is completely unbiased in reporting and the admin is doing wonderful job. Administerator- Please continue to do your good job. We all thank you for your noble services rendered to bring needed political change in Pakistan. These are very troubled and difficult moments in the history of Pakistan.

What a shame: Honourable judges are being asked to vacate their houses:

http://daily.urdupoint.com/todayNewsLive.php?news_id=51236&featured=1&cat_id=2

@shahid

You must have misunderstood, My reply was fr Iqbal. The site has a bias and it is toward restoration of judiciary, wont u agree? and whats wrong with that?.

This bias is not for NS or BB.

this is really preposterous, benazir and fazl joining hands … they can stoop to any extent…

Meanwhile enjoy this:
(hundred poems before mush quits)
http://inqilaabistan.blogspot.com/

I am totally in support of BB action…..only intelligent mind can think of the peacful solution. all you guys want is to just go on street , destroy everything and then get your target….PPP policy is different….it was bcz of BB that MUSH is no longer an army chief…….give her the credit where it is due…who are you to call her corrupt….you courts have never ever in last ten years charged her for any thing….NS himself apologised to BB for filing all those cases and said he was wrong………….Guys get realistic……

I support every action taken by BB…i am sure when she will get the 2/3 majority she will peacfully bring those judges back…….

Good luck with your efforts of brining the judges back by sitting infront of your PC…..

@listen
I have/had same ideas about BB and PPP. I can still believe that at the end of the day BB will teach Musharraf and Army a good lesson. But to be honest it will be hard for me to digest any (I emphasis “ANY” ) deal with Fazlu. I know PPP had dealt with Fazlu previously also, but after that just until recently every PPP sympathizer (including myself) and member had regretted creation of Taliban and supporting any type of link with these molvis specially Fazlu.
It would be absolutely disgusting to hear any sort of understanding between PPP and JUI. Again let me tell you talking with Musharraf in order to give him an exit strategy is defendable and justifieable but negotiating with Fazlu on any pretext is absoultely rubbish.

One of the problems with the masses is their memory.

I would like ask who ever wrote in favour of BIB just one question. Did you ever hear of Musharraf showing a soft hand on BIBI before 9th March 2007 ?

Well, it’s just the lack of option infront of musharraf which is making him be soft. Otherwise nothing would have happened.

The second question to you would be, do you know BIBI hired a lobbying firm in the USA to get the backing of USA. She has promised some very dangerous things to west especially USA. It is those promises which have resulted in pressure over Musharraf. And that pressure + the inability of musharraf against judiciar both helped together, to bring Benazir into this situation.

If in your eyes that’s intelligence from BIBI, then you are free to live in the fool man’s paradise. But it actually has no existance.

For your kind information, like to add one more point. No body is hearing any solid stance over the sacked judges from Benazir. That also is not meaningless. After all those judges were about to turn down the NRO (National Reconciliation Ordinace) on the basis of which corruption cases of Benzir were to be lifted.

There is no rocket science in understanding simple things.

Yet again you are quite welcome to live in the fool man’s paradise if you wish. But for God’s sake, don’t confuse others.

@pejamistri

I take you point but Talban were never just created by BB and Fazlu..They had full support of US and uk…….it was a mistake but all were responsible but i am sure they all have learned…..

PPP and Fazlu have been together in election since 1996….i dont see why they cant be toghether again…..FAZLU cannot win without PPP support and will never go against the wishes of PPP when he is in the parliament…..

All the parties should participate in election….BB,NS,QAZI and FAZLU should get the maximum seats 2/3 majority and then make any legistlation they want…that will be the real test of these people……you cant blame any of them today for their strategy as they are not government……

It is like criticising any cricket team before the match…let them play the match…so what if the umpire is biased…so what is the refree is against them…they should never refused to play……go play and we will cheer for them…we will support them…we will vote them………

If the elections are held on 8th Jan, One thing is clear that in Lahore & Islamabad, the chances of roits are very much their, hope nothing bad would happen.

@Faraz
I would like to comment on your point about the hiring of lobbying firm. If you look at US politics specially in congress and senate , the lobbying firms are an important part of that system. The job of a lobbying firm is to sell to right US quarters (Congress, Senate and White House) your point of view. These firms will ensure that your point of view is heard in these quarters. There is no harm is hiring any lobbying firm and it does not require you to make any “promises” or “commitments”. Most of the countries/personalities in world including Iran, Pakistan have regularly hired such firms in order to mobilize support for their cause.

@ Masood
I agree with u. first BB use to say she would never sit with maulvies but now she is for what purpose and why not with the entire MMA, why just Fazl? Its the PPP who has a played a major role in the dismemberment of east pakistan in the past. BB has never been clear on her stance about the judges why? she is even trying to disown Aitazaz hussain, why?. Why doesn’t she quit the elections if she thinks they would be unfair? HOw is she going to get rid of the army by giving them legitimacy through these elections?

@Masood

Yet again you are quite welcome to live in the fool man’s paradise if you wish. But for God’s sake, don’t confuse others.

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That shows the difference …….

BB did this in USA???
BB WILL DO THIS ….
SHE IS THAT…..
SHE WILL DO THIS….

Grow up and get life of your own……dont criticise how they cook their food….atleast they dont buy it from take aways like you……

You dont even know who you support…….you just want the restoratuon of Judges…but none of you has any strategy……

so who is livging in fool man’s paradise ….

just try to read between the lines……..

My dear fried,

The problem is not in hiring a lobying firm. BUT WHY ON EARTH SHE LIKES IT IN USA ?

Can you give me one good reason why we need it there ?

Shouldn’t it be the people of pakistan to conovince.

Look where we stand in corruption after 8 years of Mad Gen rule:

Most corrupt as per TI

1. Albania
2. Cambodia
3. Cameroon
4. Macedonia
5. Kosovo
6. Nigeria
7. Pakistan
8. Philippines
9. Romania
10. Senegal

@listen
I am not sure if you have closely followed PPP stance about the JUI in the last 5 years. In numerous BB interviews she has regretted any relations with MMA specially JUI. And PPP had never supported NWFP government and Balochistan government. Well again as I said it will be hard for me to digest this specially when Fazlu is already a spent force by Mush.
I hope my fears prove wrong, but I will keep my fingers crossed on this issue.

@ listen
If u think that contesting elections is comparable to a cricket match, i think than everyone should participate. Tell me If PML-q comes to power again, what are u going to do? Protest! Why not protest now? and plz dont talk of a peaceful step taken by BB as we all know how violent ur jiaalas get.

A few are trying to bunch NS with corrupted leaders like Fazlu and BB. That is not fair. NS is trying his best to convince these two cunning and self centered politicians, in favour of bycotting the polls, unless All the honourable judges are rienstated. I fully agree with many others that these two are playing in the hand of another cunning and self centered person. (Mush). I think the three had already managed the election and future govternment to fit the purpose of their foreign masters. That option is unacceptable to 90% of Patriotic Pakistanis including myself. All the sacrifices given so far, by the people of Pakistan, will be in vain, if we could not succeed now. We must unite together at this very critical juncture to achieve our goals. We have to save our Pakistan.

On the other hand, I have great reservation for Mr Aitezaz Ahsan who is still clung to BB and have no courage to separate himself forom her. He (Aitezaz) was invited to join NS’ Party in a common struggle to restore the judiciary but he had declined. There is no ambiguity in that matter. I just can’t comprhend his logic. No PML-N candidate was anounce to face Aitizaz. He has recently sent a letter to all the strugling lawyers in which he has not criticised BB for her actions. Even though He is aware of her intentions but yet have no courage to ask her to change the coarse. I only hope that he will join those in favour of reinstatement of all judges befor election.

@masood
Really difficult question to answer , who is America? What they have to do with Pakistan? They are difficult question to answer , but every child in Pakistan knows the answer.
America is god-father of Pakistan generals, and at the moment america has hired an “army on rent” in Pakistan to do their job. So if you need to get rid of them (generals) , you need to talk to the god-father.

Things like this happen… and the rest of us complain about why people are not coming on streets.
If the leadership is hell bent on not paying heed to public demand, how would u expect public to bear batons in the streets for their cause.
There is a reason why this site has an anti-BB bias. A PPP jiyala would call it funding from NS and a reasonable man with two eyes and average brain on the shoulders would point towards the PPP policies.
you all talk about how great BB is, how shrewed she is, and how expertly she got the uniform off (i doubt she did it), but why do u go silent when asked questions about the NRO and non-inclusion of restoration of judicity in the COD.
Everytime some coalition seems imminent PPP and JUI cause harm to it.
I feel sorry for these Jiyalas. They spend all their life supporting PPP and can’t admit that BB’s actions are not in the best interest of the country. Remaining in this state of denial, they support every action she does and claim for it to be shrewed politics.

Admitting when one is wrong takes courage …

@zenith

I believe most people like you are making lot of assumptions (not even Presumptions )……..and you have no way to prove thos assupmtions….

If the people of pakistan vote for PML(Q) then who are we to stop them………they are the worst party in my opinion to vote but they have good support in the rural punjab and CM Elahi did do some good work at basic levels……….

Only way you can stop PMLQ is vote the best party ……

P.S You know how dangerous JAYALS can be….so leave thhis to us Jayals as well…the day we decided to come….MUSH will be gone in seconds……but we want to try the peacful option first…i am sure it will work as we r quite confident that ouyr leader will do the best for the coutnry and for all the people of Pakistan…

Jiyai Bhuttoo…………

@listen and peja

you both have at-least made me re-thinking my earlier stance about BB but before going further, I need to ask you some questions…

How do I trust BB with regard to pushing the army back into barracks and restoring judiciary?
I do think that immediately after Nov. 3 she could have achieved these objectives if she had immediately gone for a street protest route. Just two weeks prior to taht she had 2 million people on the road. Why was that power not used?

Now, the issue is this. Whatever considerations stopped her from agitating after Nov. 3, why should I assume taht the same considerations will not stop her from punishing the army later? Add to this, there is the question of the results of the election. She cannot be sure that she will have enough seats to pass laws to dislodge mush/army. So my concern is trusting her with a future probable situation when she seems to be missing a current certain way of dislodging musharaf?

Further, what do we have in her past record to indicate that she was ever serious about pushing back the army?

tipu

Let me sum it up again.

Why do we hate Musharraf ?, because we disagree with his policies and he being an army man. Now let me draw a simple table of info

Let’s go issue by issue

1- Judiciary:

What favours musharraf in it, obiviously to keep the judges sacked

What is stance of Benazir ?, well we will see after elections.

2- DR AQ KHAN:

Musharraf: We will keep him in custody, but will not handover to USA

Benazir: Well we will allow west to question him.

3- NUCLEAR ASSETS:

Musharrf: They are in safe hands, the world does not need to bother.

Benazir: They are NOT in safe hands, the world needs to bother.

4- FOREIGN FOCES TO ACT IN PAKISTAN

Musharraf: No, we will handle terrorsts ourselves.

Benazir: Well, you can if you like, we don’t mind

5- INTEGRITY OF PAKISTAN (From histor)

Role of Musharraf/Army: Army had a role in east pakistan seperation. Ask some of the mothers/sisters/daughters in Bengla Desh who were brutely tortured/raped.

Role of PPP: Who won the majority in 1971 over all, and who resisted in letting that party have government. Well it was PPP.

6- Afganistan/Taliban:

Role Musharraf/Army: We always fought wars for USA and at times named them differently.

Role of PPP: Go back a few years, who installed taliban.

7- Power Hunger:

Musharraf: Would do anything, even if he needs to bow down to opponents

Benazir: First need to get rid of cases, then will enter in country on red carpet. Then straight away want to be PM. Nothing less. One day she speaks Musharraf is out of depth, in the evening American Ambassador meets her, and midnight she issues a statement “We can still work with Musharraf”.

Further to this, no comments.

And sorry if any one got hurt by my comments.

@listen
Stop man , don’t compare lota party of PML(Q) with PPP. Now I am concerned if you are PPP sympathizer or not , rural punjab support for CM Elahi come on , check southren punjab (Bahawalpur, Multan , DG Khan , Muzzafar Garh) none of the PML-Q candidates is going to support Elahi.
And upper punjab you know already what has happened to that after arrival of Nawaz Sharif.
It is a contempt of PPP to equate it in anyway with PML-Q. And consider Elahi in anyway a threat to BB.

@listen…
your following comment…
“If the people of pakistan vote for PML(Q) then who are we to stop them………they are the worst party in my opinion to vote but they have good support in the rural punjab and CM Elahi did do some good work at basic levels………” stengthens the question I asked you.

You too are not sure of the results and thus cannot be sure that BB can get rid of Mush later.
Today she can but she is not. Why is she chosing to forgo a certain path for only a possibility in future?

Tipu

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@listen
I couldn’t care less about ur jiyaalas. The issue is that even ur beloved BB says that elections will not be fair and she is conesting elections as a protest. U contradict ur own statements when u say that let the people of pakistan decide. On one side elections are not fair but leave it to the people to decide. What are u talking about? Why is ur BB not agreeing to include the point of restoring the same judges prior to NOV3rd, in the charter of demand. At one point BB said that no compromise with Mush is possible even with or without uniform and now she says that talks can resume. I and many like me are unable to understand ur intricate politics.

@pejamistri

I just hate talking bad about others…….

My moto in life is ” If i cant beat your strength , i will never attack your weakness”

Well…..you cant ignore their vote bank even if it is small…….but for atleast this election they will get few good seats….but before next election they will be a histroy…….

in my Constituency Sheikh Rashid will get good numbers of votes…..i am not sure whther he will win this time……but he is strong……

@tipu

vvvvvv well said bro…….
“Today she can but she is not. Why is she chosing to forgo a certain path for only a possibility in future?”

@listen
I just reported yesterday on this site that sheeda tilli has almost accepted his defeat in these elections. He is saying to his associates that it is his last election and it is not necessary to win every election. I can assure you that he is trying his best to get some patch up with Nawaz Sharif to get his support in order to at least fight in this election.
And in southren pujab where I come from Lagharis, Mazaris , Khars , Kwajas , Maliks everybody is jumping out of PML-Q boat so rest assured unless there is wide mass scale rigging PML-Q won’t even get respectable seats.

BB is already eyeing for 2/3rd majority in this election and anything less than that will mean rigging.

@listen and all bb jyaaalaaas

There is nothing wrong with endeavoring for kursi but its wrong to still be shameful enough to even think of coming to power when

1- you have looted the country brutally…. you ask fro the horses to be presented to your hubby on his birth day by the army,
2- claim that you own surrey mahal after denying for so many years.
3-convicted in Swiss court
4.You lobby in west to get into power and promise them on the issues of national security
5-you talk about religion when you don’t know the abc of it.
6-spread prejudice and use Sindh card in Sindh, by talking bad against Punjabis and all that
7-when your bro was killed in your regime and you never give a damn.
8-there was no media freedom in you regime.
9-you acted against judiciary and passed your famous 15 member amendment against judges
10-when you like your overrated father act impatiently and brutally towards any opposition force, your dad had notorious FSF and you also had brutal force designated to annihilate the opposition, your hubby is accused of killing so many innocent people including the late actor Sultan rahi.
11-when you can go loggerheads with your mom over chairperson ship of party
12-never have been in talking terms with your brothers and there families
13-when you r characterless, wicked and pathetic person who would sell any thing for kursi
14 cant even speak our national language

im all agianst army …but among the civilian govts ..im a big NO for bb…

@listen
Sorry for my earlier personal comments .. they were just in humourous sense.

@tipu
I look at the positive side , I would prefer to give any politician benefit of doubt. I believe that NS is doing right thing by creating pressure on Musharraf (read Army) about re-instating the judiciary, Imran Khan is excellently providing inspiration to youth of this country to rise against dictatorship, and BB is rightly pressurizing Musharraf (read army) by threatening them to take part in election. Hence I trust each of them.
As far as voting in election is concerned I always think that it is a personal affair of everybody and everybody has his/her own reasons to vote for or not to vote for a politician. I consider myself as a “swing vote”.

Fazlu like Altaf, Chaudhries and Arbab Rahim is most morally corrupt politician and his corruption is even more because he poses himself to be a religious scholar. Does religion teaches us this to side with evil and falsehood. Lanat ho aisay religious scholar par - I dont know what he and his chamchas would be teaching students in madrassahs - the main theme they would be teaching is HYPOCRISY.

@imran malik

Keep burning in ur hate for BB…..

We don’t give a damn for people who make their opinions purely on the basis of propaganda news and conspiracy theories…..

We will Vote for PPP and million of people in Pakistan will also vote for BB….

Don’t forget to watch the election night results…….

great intelligent move by PPP

Because of BB acumen, mush had to remove uniform. Now she is working with other parties to bring democracy in Pakistan.

Truly great daughter of great bhutto

Let’s not credit ANY politician with the “skin removal”. It was the momentum generated by civil society and the lawyers’ movement post March 9

@pejamistry,

I take your point but you have not responded to my question.
What gives you any raeson to trust BB with regard to getting rid of army? What did she do in her two terms or in the recent months taht makes you give her the benefit of doubt?

I too perhaps will be ultimately forced to accept the real-politic and hope that BB will surprise me after election but I will do that with scepticism not hope, as you do. But since I have always enjoyed your remarks on this forum and respect your opinions, I am interested in understanding the basis of your current position.

Tipu

@Eskay

You are very right, i think our real heors are Iftikhar Chaudhary, Imran Khan, Aitezaz Ahsan etc.

@ listen,

bhai meray, instead of cursing Imran or anyone else, why don’t you respond to the question? I am genuienly not sure of what position to take and thus would like to understand why you have the position you have. I do hope that you have a reason other than simply a fanatical blind faith in BB.

Tipu

Read this article about BB and Maulana

http://sagemovement.blogspot.com/2007/12/trojan-horse.html

What a news ?

” Benazir and Fazul-ur-Rahman Partners in Elections ” (please add IK too into in).

“PML (N) and PML (Q) join in Partnership in election” (Please add MQM too into in).

@listen
you said that every blame against bb is propoganda??

how about swiss court verdict…

how about there claim about surrey mahal..

in hindsight of all the developments there r some clear facts BB is in guagmire she doesnt want to boycott election an and the same time doesnt want to loose her credibility in civil society an lawyers she is quite optimistic abt her victory in elections as she sees no real threat(as she been assured by western world )but her real prob is day to day rising of civil society student an lawyers movement thats y she is changing her statements an stance everyday she is trying to play ends without loosing one and for maulana fazlur rahman he has been assured by ISI to have as many seats he would have dreamed of so this is the life time oppertunity for maulana diesel as for NS is concerned he knows there is not much in the nest for him so he is riding on the waves with lawyers students an civil society movemets and for IK he is the only one staying on principles doesnt matter wat to gain or lost

@listen

her your bro was killed in your regime and you never give a damn.
there was no media freedom in her regime.
she acted against judiciary and passed your famous 15 member amendment against judges
she went loggerheads with your mom over chairperson ship of party
she has never have been in talking terms with your brothers and there families
she is a characterless, wicked and pathetic person who would sell any thing for KURSI
cant even speak our national language

@ADIL NAUSHAD

100% CORRECT ANALYSIS..

but its not going to be easy win for bb..

due to her beghairties….she has made ppp only a sindh party…i dont see pppp winning anywhere else with majority other than rural sindh….

Who is this FAKE Kami @ 10: 28???

Who is this FAKE Kami @ 10: 28???

Who is this FAKE Kami @ 10: 28???

Who is this FAKE Kami @ 10: 28???

Please change your user name. I have been using this name for a long time.

@imran malik

No use sir, BB supporters are blind, and a party who designates posts of defence ministers and general secretaries to people like tikka khan, what can be expected from them.
BB takes so much turns , i wonder how she drives?

So your heroes are Iftikhar Chaudhary, Imran Khan, Aitezaz Ahsan etc.

Imran khan openely said he has idealised Z.A Bhutto from his teen age days….

Aitzaz Ahsan…. A leader and worker of PPP and standing firm with the BB

Iftikhar……the only man who helped him to restore 1st time was Aitzaz Ahsan and Munir Malik….both from PPP

What more you want from PPP ……

Our heroes are heroes of your heroes…….

Brother admin

how are you????????

mate ! I now beleive you are a very democratic

God bless you.

ameen

@zenith

deep down these idiots know that bb is corrupt and crap woman ….but just to hide there shame and just to follow there biasness they persisit on there blind support…..shame on jyaalaas

@tipu
Let me try.
So from her last two stints as prime minister I believe that it was her uncompromising stance with army that lead to her dismissal from the government. There is no way I can believe that our “honest” establishment (read army) dismissed her because of her “corruption”. As a matter of fact establishment never trusts a popular leader that was the reason that NS had to go in 1993 and 1999 , and that was the same reason that they had to dismiss BB in 1989 and 1996.
So there are two powers one that originates from the barrel of gun , every general in Pakistan has that power and with this power he can do whatever he likes to do. And then their is another power it is power of people. This power is as strong and equal in magnitude as that of gun. Once a leader gets this power he becomes as dangerous for army generals just as a general is dangerous for people.
Look once Nawaz Sharif got the heavy mandate how powerful he was , although before that I always thought of him a leader of average intellect, but with the power of people support behind him he became as dangerous to establishment as BB.
At the moment BB might be toothless in front of the establishment, but as soon as she gets in power she will have her teeth back.

But let me put here a disclaimer , current battle with establishment (reinstatement of Honourable Judges) has no parallels in history of Pakistan. And at the moment any leniency by any politician on this issue before or after the election ought to be unpordanable. Which means if BB does not put her weight in favor of the Judges before or after the elections then she would have to suffer the ultimate loss in her political career. Same goes with any other politician.

@listen

The same Aitezaz who re “the deal” said I am not her confidante on those “negotiations”?

The same IK who has clearly expressed his opinion of BB

The same Munir Malik who today came out strongly on the “elections”?

@zenith

u r right

there is no use to even talk to these blindfolded people…doob ke mer jaaao jayaaalaaas.

When a Fasiq (person with a loose character) brings any news, make sure to re-confirm that. This is not my saying, this is said by Quran.

We should wait because Maulana Haideri is definitely Fasiq like Maulana Diesel and wait for official PPP person to confirm that.

Correction
BB’s first government was dismissed in 1991.

@Ali Khan
In islam woman can never Rule, Allah has cursed those nations were woman ruled.
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I don’t like Benazir myself but when you talk about Islam, we should only present information which is very authentic. Those Ulema who concluded as what you mentioned, actually base their opinion on only one hadith from Abu Bakrah (ra) which was narrated at a very later stage when Aisha’s (ra) incident happened. Some Ulema also suggested that maybe Prophet (sws) gave these comments only for a particular nation. But in any case, any order in the religion should either come from the Qur’an or should come through Tawatur and Ijma’ of Sahaba. Otherwise, making a new law in religion based on only one hadith when this hadith can be interpreted in another way and nothing else supports the conclusion, a person should be highly caucious about it. IMHO!

@Tipu

I never said anything bad about Imran Khan….

@kami
Thanks for great words of wisdom. I actually did not thought about this. Let us wait what truth comes out.

The most stupid one will think of joining hands with Mush & expecting to win this bout of prearranged selection in the name of election. Its a perfect recipe of shot term fragile & weak collation ready to be kicked out of assembly again with B52, sorry I meant Sec 58 2(b). BB & Mush it makes no sense unless her dear brother Mullah Munafiq works as guarantor between these clashing personalities with the backing of Saudi & West. Movement for Justice will grow out of this chaos as a leadership full of sincere people who are sick and tired of both PPPP & PML. Day by day people are getting experienced in tackling these dictatorial rulers. PTI need sometime to gather some more grass root level support and current situation gives it a perfect opportunity to secure a firm foundation and rise as a real people’s power. IK Zindabad!

@imran malik

“doob ke mer jaaao jayaaalaaas2

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Your parents must be very proud of you with this kind of language….

learn some manners……..

Some thing for Jayala:

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=84753

P.S: I used to be one, but I regret that.

@zenith
BB doesn’t drive, she is driven.

@pejamistry
Thanks for your response.
But this raises another issue…
I take your point that BB was removed from her offices beacuse she was becoming a problem for the army.
So she knows that when she comes the elected way, it does not work. Even now, Mush has 58(2) and thus she can again be dismissed.
One would have thought, therefore, that her failure to dislodge army though the parliament would be all the more reason that this time she would choose another route - street protest.

What if I suggest another posisbility to expalin her current stance in light of your explaination? Is it not posisble that the lesson she has actually learnt from her past experiences is that army is a reality and that instead of fighting she should join it. Thus, she has concluded that if she wants to regain power - which it is hard to deny - her best chance is a deal and not conflict.

I am afraid, I am more inclined to take this second expalaination as more likely, unless you persuade me otherwise.

Tipu

Why every body wants PPP/BB support to bring the Judges back……

most of you said many times that ppp is bad and BB is this and that…..so why dont you go on urself and get your judiciary reinstated……..

strange….you never miss the chance to insult BB and then you need her help……;

Thats just pathetic……..

HAVE ANYONE OF U SEEN THE POLL RESULTS ON AAJ.TV. THERE 60% BELEIVE THAT RESTRICTIONS ON MEDIA ARE JUSTIFIED. MUSH REFFERED TO THAT POLL IN HIS SPEECH. NOW AAJ TV HAS REMOVED IT.

No comments on this news:
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11579

@zenith
Ajj Tv reported that the website was hacked and the hackers changed the results. infact 60% condemned the restrictions.

Let us not forget that people are waging the war in all parts of Pakistan, here is some great news from Multan.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11582

@Mazhar - I listened the mad Gen, where he gave the reference of AAj TV pool that about 70% ppl support his action regarding media.

AAJ TV clarifies that his website was hacked.

What a shameless liar.

@M Khan

P.S: I used to be one, but I regret that.
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SO have you joined PMLQ now….good luck

I think the boycott of election is not the solution of the problem.And all parties should participate in the elections.
Bcoz as we see in 1985 due to boycott of major parties we get ppl like azab-e-illahi(previous cm of punjab) in the parliment.
so we should not provide an oppertunity to other mush chamchas to get safe ride to the parliament.Bcoz if these chamchas get majority in to parliament they can easily amend the constitution into their favour. After that we can not do anything once the amendment is made.
At the moment our supreme court is paralysed.
So all depends on next parliament.Therefore all parties should participate in election.
And if they unite like BB and NS jointly contesting the election i think they can easily get two third majority.
After that they can go for the restoration of judiciary and mending the constitution which is left in tatters by this mad president.

@ Zenith

Aaj TV website is based in Karachi and it is possible for IP providers to succumb to MQM demands. They should also get out of that place to save their skin.

@ mazhar
I guess mush hacked the site himself and referred to that in his speech.

@Tipu
You may be absolutely right , 11 years in opposition, fighting cases all over the world. Struggling to keep her support alive in masses without being in power. Yes if I were in her shoes , I would say let us accept the reality , let us talk to those wretched persons (generals) what they want. Let us negotiate something reasonable from them , let us come back in power at all costs. You are 100% right..
But you ignored what I said about the power of people. So after all the negotiations , deals. setellements and agreements what if she gets the gun (power of people0 back in her hand , everything changes all of a sudden, here is the BB riding on the support of people and there is the generals wounded because of public hatred against them and weak due to their unwinnable war against there own people. That’s a recipe for disaster for the generals. Remember they are not comfortable even now with BB.

Again I am not at all convincing you to vote for PPP , I myself would have voted for IK in this election if he was contesting , as there is a bycott call from lawyers I would rather bycott the elections and won’t cast my vote even I am in Pakistan on Jan 8.

@faisal khan

Well….you are absolutely right…but people on this site want to change everything by sitting infront of their PC….by contributing to anti PPP propaganda which they have been doing for the last 30 years(what a shame)…….

They want everybody in pakistan to go on the streets , kill themseleves, destroy everything bcs most of them living in their cozy houses in europe or USA with central heatings on 24/7….they dont understand the power of Dialogue and politics…..

any more Anti PPP comments….

@Listen

Are we talking about same BB who said my CJ is Iftikhar Ch in islamabad. Who said that she wil l do long march. Then a visit by Negroponte and she stopped talking about Judiciary.

I am neither a vote of BB or NS. I don’t take sides, They only thing we want is honesty. Nobody in power would like to have a judiciary with independent minded judges on it. BB understands it as a shrew politician may be NS.

But we are talking about strategy. We are talking about morality and ethics.

If somebody willing to bet, that here is what I have for PPP supporters. BB would never restore judiciary.

Now since Jayalas can’t see, but even in PPP manifesto, she talks about a NTRC (National Truth and Reconil Commison), and even that post can’t be given to any Judge who took oath under PCO that rules out judges who took oath earlier.

So BB shrewd Yes. You give her credit for Mush down fall no. It was one NO from CJ Iftikhar Ch, which has caused all this havoc.

You would not be seeing here here today, if CJ has accepted govt pressure on Steel Mill and Missing person cases.

But no you Jayalas have to just see how SMART BB is. I can have just pity on you guys.

@Ali Khan:
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Allah has cursed those nations were woman ruled
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I challenge Mr. Khan to produce any Ayat of Quran that support his statement. This is a shameful propaganda by ignorant people.

In Islamic history Sahaba 9including Ashra Mubashra) took part in war of Camel under the command of Hazrat Ausha.

Quran didn’t talk about any male ruler in good words but used good words for a female ruler Queen of Saba.

Using religion card is thye most shameless act of anti-PPP Mullas.

I promise BB will not ke any alliance with any religious party. This is all propaganda.

@faisal and listen,

Why do you think that there are only two options: elections or bloody street protests?

I have already written why I think even if all the parties go in the election, there is hardly any reason to trust them with the removal of army from politics.

But, @listen, it is unfair to push the argument to the extreme and say that we all want people to be killed in the streets. What many of us in thsi forum are desiting is a mass peacful protests. There are so many examples in the world where regime change came through peaceful mass protests. Numbers matter. The Orange Revolution in Ukraine in 2004/05 is one example. It can be said that even the freedom of India/Paksitan was relatively bloodless (not migration but process to freedom). The end of apartheid inSAfrica is another example. Even the 1979 Iranian Revolution was through sheer numbers not mass killing. Of course, some loss will be there but are we not losing lives in any case?

So, I think, what people like @listen are not willing to consider is the chance that BB is not taking up - peaceful street prostests in huge numbers.

If people come out on the street, that is the only way even the US will have to reconsider its strategy. Afterall the US establsihment has to answer to opposition and public there. But, unfortunately, BB and others have tried to appease US establishment rather than give them a challenge through showing where the sympathy of masses lies.

And, on the question of why are we opposing BB but also expecting from her. Well, its simple. She undeniably has the power to bring a change - that is the raeson for expectation. But she is disappointing us - that is the raeson for opposing us. If she is a national leader, and hopes to be our PM, it is fair taht the nation expects from her and when she disappoints critiques her. I recall that she was widely applauded on thsi very forum when for a couple of days she had talked about restoring judges and of having severed all connections with Musharaf. So, its not a fanatical oppossition to BB taht guides many of us but a response to her stance.

tipu

@ Pejamistry…
thanks…
you are right, you haven’t yet convinced me&