If Bilal Musharraf’s son or Ayla Musharraf’s son were in Pakistan, today when they had returned from their school you know what they would have been saying ?
Musharraf Ku$$a haye haye
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this is exactly the point I made earlier. Auybe Khan was reported that after listening this by his grand son he decided to quit.
Looking again the heat felt by Bilal musharaf and Salman ahmed email exchange, it is best not to leave Mush and his family alone. his brother, son, daughter have some social status in west and so we must send emails in their circles to force them to face social pressure.
His brother is a senior doctor so doctors association can use their influence to pressurize his brother and so on.
After 9 march, Ayaz Amir wrote about cousins of Musharraf in Lahore and informed us how they were getting protocol just because they were relatives as opposed to Chief Justice of Pakistan.
Search for his article in Dawn archives. That article contains their postal addresses. Maybe we could write a letter to Mush’s cousins too.
“Tailpiece: At a time when in the reference filed against him Chief Justice Chaudhry is accused of demanding favours for his son and excessive “protocol” for himself, it may be of interest to note that two close relatives of the top guardian living in Lahore — Shehzad Alam, nephew, 12-E Model Town and Dr Nigar, cousin (khala ki beti), 130 M Extension — move around with police escorts and have a permanent police guard outside their residences. No fear of any reference against them.”
NO DECENT person/lawyer can support Musharraf and that is why PCO judges are of such a low quality. Malik Quyyom is a prime example.
Today I called a Sindh High Court Bar Member in Karachi. He was doing Bar at Lincolns Inn a couple of years ago. He was very sad. He said that he doesn’t know whether he should laugh or cry. Just a few examples of the CALIBRE of those incompetent people who have been made PCO judges:
1. Sindh Hight Court PCO CJ probably has fake degree. He is so incompetent that he doesn’t even know how to handle case files.
2. Another High Court PCO Justice Khawaja Naveed is so non serious that people memorise jokes instead of preparing cases for his court. A few examples of his attitude in cases:
i. In a rape case, in front of rape victim, Khawaja Naveed said: ‘Rape Ho Gaya? Meray Baghair?’
ii. In one case he said: ‘maximum punishment in this case is 5 years’ and since he is gonna be released after 5 years why not release him now. And he released the accused (probably money was involved).
iii. He is the only judge who calls lawyer: Me Lord & Sir (probably old habit of saying this to the rulers).
3. Another PCO high court judge is very restless (sorry forgot his name). He often shouts ‘Samajh Gaya’ And ‘Jaldi Karo’ and decides the case without hearing both parties. He assumes that he knows the facts and ignores protests of aggrieved parties.
Sooner Mush leaves us alone, better it is for the country and judiciary.
I think that the reason that BB is not pressing for the restoration of Judiciary is because Mush has convinced or conveyed to the US that he would be gone if CJP and all the other SC judges are reinstated and this is what the US does not want.
@ahmed bhai
you are absolutely right and do any body knows who that grandson was!! He is the same guy who is now licking feet of mushi on daily basis Umar ayub khan. he mentioned that in one of the talk show some months ago.
@Kami
“iii. He is the only judge who calls lawyer: Me Lord & Sir (probably old habit of saying this to the rulers).”
Maybe he is trying to imitate Mushy who addresses all western reporters as “Sir”
Oh and you can add Sindh CJ Afzal Soomro to that list:
“The PCO CJ of Sindh High Court, Afzal Soomro, has serious health problems. He had suffered a nervous breakdown two years ago and since then has been seriously handicapped. It is quite well known fact that he just sits on the bench with another judge as a silent spectator. Matter of judicial incapacity was pending before the Supreme Judicial council. He was issued notice by the Council and CJP advised him to seek resignation and get pension, but before it could materialize the PCO debacle took place. It seems the Government has found an ideal candidate for the post of a rubber stamp CJ..” (link)
I think Imran is good man leading a mob. I dont support him.
I dont trust Atzaz Ahsin because he has not left PPP, even after BB’s courtship with Musharaf. I think he is not better than Pervaiz Elahi.
I dont trust Musharaf, of course, because he is symbol of Slavish Dehlvi culture of Hindustani Muhajirs.
I trust Kiani for the reason that he is Professional Cheif of my Armed Forces whom I love dearly ( I always support my troops).
I trust Nawaz Sharif.
I trust some Lawyers and some Judges, not all. (They are the most corrupt section of our society in my eyes, more than military.)
I wish that military stops following Musharaf/Bush/Iranian agenda in Pashtoon lands.
I want MMA to context elections.
I will always vote Right Wing.
I will vote MMA.
Speaking of slave mentality, I am going to post a letter to the editor and an article I had come across back in 1997 when the queen visited Pakistan. The contents were such a shock to me that I had saved them in my “My Documents” folder and read them from time to time.
I hope they don’t get stuck in “awaiting moderation” or you’ll have to come back later and read them.
(On second thought I am going to past the article on my blog as it is a bit long to go here)
I was totally appalled at the behavior of Pakistan’s intellectuals and leaders during the British queen’s visit to Pakistan. I find it personally demeaning and derogatory to read the speech delivered by the speaker of National assembly and the Senate Chairman at the joint parliamentary session to honor the queen.
“I had been Her Majesty’s loyal subject since I was quite old at the time of partition. I am still your royal subject.” — Engineer Illahi Bukhsh Soomro, Speaker of the National Assembly, Islamabad, October 8, 1997
“Your Majesty, you are very precious to us as you are our Queen and we will not have another one.” — Barrister Wasim Sajjad, Chairman, Senate.
With this slave mentality ingrained in the leadership, no wonder they are abandoning the cause of Kashmir. It is no surprise that they have little regard for the sovereignty of the nation since they handed over Mir Aimal Kansi to the USA authorities without the legal due process.
good article. thanks for sharing it. However, I must say that it seems to me that the writer suffers from as much dislke of the British as those he criticises for suffering from its admiration. I think a more naunced attitude is required.
Just to note one point. If Ibn Khuldun was also talking about slave mentality, it seems to me that one cannot blame the British for our slave mentality. Of course, the British exploited and reinforced it but was there no slave mentality before that? Ibn Khuldun’s remark would suggest that even when Muslims were in power, they suffered from it. ANd i suggest, not just Muslims but all human societies suffer from it.
It would have been better if the writer had taken the response to the queen’s visit as an occassion to ask a deeper question as to why human beings have such mindset, what is wrong with it and how it can be changed.
From my readings of history it seems to me that slave mentality is a general human issue and not just a Pakistani or South Asian issue. In 1974, Milgram carried out a fascinating experiment – in the West – which showed how much people bow to authority: http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/milgram_obedience_experiment.html
It seems to me taht slave mentality is part of the evolutionary mechanism whereby in the animal kingdom there is only a relation of dominant and dominated. And for most of the history most humans continued with the same attitude. The fact that it pays – after all people became Speakers and what not – reinforces it. At any given time, only a few are able to break free from such an attitude. How? something to discuss. answers can be very useful for us in pkaistan today.
Unrelated but worth following. This proves EACH AND EVERY NEWS STORY in EVERY NEWSPAPER, EVERY MAGAZINE and EVERY SINGLE INTEL REPORT about Iran and nukes OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS has been a LIE: A Miracle: Honest Intel on Iran Nukes
The Life of Iranian President Ahmedinejad & Monthly Expenses
The Fox News TV (USA) asked the Iranian President Ahmedinejad;
“When you look into the mirror in the morning what do you say to yourself”?
He answered: I see the person in the mirror and tell him “Remember” you are no more than a small servant, ahead of you today is the heavy responsibility, and that is to serve the Iranian nation”.
Ahmedinejad, the Iranian President who astonished many when he first reached to the office of the Presidency by donating all the high valued Iranian carpets to one of the mosques in Tehran by replacing them with the low cost ordinary carpets. He observed that there was a huge extravagant lounge for receiving and welcoming the VIPs and he ordered it to be closed and asked the protocol office to arrange for an ordinary room only with the wooden chairs.
On many instances he joins the cleaning staff of the municipality for cleaning the streets in the area where his home and the Presidency are located.
Under his authority whenever he appoints any minister to his post he gets a signed document from him with many points, particularly highlighting that he shall remain poor and that his personal and his relatives accounts will be watched and the day he leaves the ministry shall be with dignity, and therefore it is not lawful for him or his relatives to take any advantage of his office. First of all he declared himself for all the “Big” wealth and the property he owned was a Peugeot 504 car, model 1977, an old small house inherited from his father 40-years ago in one of the poorest zones in Tehran. His accounts with a zero balance and the only money comes in to his a/c was from his salary from the university as a lecturer with an amount of US$ 250 only.
For your information the President still lives in that same house. This is all what he owns; the president of one of the world’s important countries; strategically, economically, politically and with regard to its oil and defense. He even doesn’t take his personal salary with the argument that all the wealth belongs to the nation and he is the safeguard over it.
One of the things that impressed the staff at the presidency is the bag the President brings with him every day, which contains his breakfast; some sandwiches or bread with olive oil and cheese prepared by his wife and eats and enjoys it with all happiness.
One of the other things he changed was his personal carrier “the President’s Aircraft” to a cargo aircraft in order to save the spending from the public treasury and he ordered that he will be flying with the ordinary airline in the economy class. He organizes meetings every now and then with all the ministers to know their activities and efficiency and he closed down the office of the Manager of the president and any minister can enter to his office without any permission. He also stopped the welcome ceremonies like the red carpet, the photo session or any personal advertisement or respect of any kind while visiting any place in the country.
Whenever he has to stay in any of the hotels he asks them to make sure not to give him a room with any big bed because he doesn’t like to sleep on beds but rather likes to sleep on the floor on a simple mattress with a blanket.
Refer to some of the photographs which also confirm the above. The Iranian president is sleeping in the guest room of his house after getting away from his special guards who follow him wherever he goes and photo is taken by his small brother according to the Wifaq Newspaper which published this photo and the next day the photo was published in most of the world’s newspapers and magazines and particularly the Americans. During the prayer you can see that he is not sitting in the first row. And the final photo is of his dining room where the president is busy eating his simple meal.
Salary & Govt. concessions for a Member of NATIONAL ASSEMBLY (MNA):
Monthly Salary: Rs.120,000 to 200,000
Expense for Constitution per month: Rs.100,000
Office expenditure per month: Rs.140,000
Traveling concession (Rs.8 per km): Rs.48,000 (For a visit to Islamabad & return: 6000 km)
Daily BETA during Assembly meets: Rs.500
Charges for 1 class (A/C) in train: Free (For any number of times & All Over PAKISTAN )
Charges for Business Class in flights: Free for 40 trips / year (With wife or P.A.)
Rent for Govt. hostel any where: Free Electricity costs at home:
Free up to 50,000 units
Local phone call charges: Free up to 170,000 calls.
TOTAL expense for a MNA per year: Rs. 32,000,000 (approx.)
TOTAL expense for 5 years: Rs.160,000,000
As such for 534 MNAs, the expense for 5 years comes to Rs.85,440,000,000 (about 9000 crores).
Think of the Great Democracy we have & Great Politicians we are……….
PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO ALL CITIZENS OF PAKISTAN……Before Elections 2008 so that everybody can act or react.
On the topic of PCO judges , a lawyer in a talk show mentioned that most of these PCO judges even does not know how to write a verdict. They need two people to write a verdict , there calibre and standing in profession of law is abysmally low.
Since no person with even a little personal integrity was available to the mad dictator for becoming a superior judge , the people like Khawaja Naveed and others were appointed in a hurry. In legal circles it is being considered as a very very grave situation in pakistan’s legal history as these newly appointed PCO judges might keep working for decade to come (some of them are very junior and their retirement age it too far).
Apart from the principled stand by lawyers of not appearing before the PCO judges there is another big problem as most of the senior lawyer do feel insulted appearing before these clowns.
That is why I believe that only solution for the current impasse will be restoration of original judges and firing of these new PCO judges since they have not taken oath under the constitution therefore as soon as PCO is gone they will be no more PCO judges.
Breaking News:
State trying to evict Justice Shahid Siddiqui’s from his house.
Please note that Honorable Justice Shahid Siddiqui is seriously ill and he is perhaps still in hospital.
Shame on you Musharraf. Shame on the state machinery.
If any of the readers would like to show them support by either sending flowers, letters or financial support to the Sindh High Court Honourable Judges then their contact details can be obtained from the PakVoices website
…Now we have US human rights activists holding vigils outside Aitzaz Ahsan’s home — as if Pakistani protestors vigils were not as effective. What an insult to our civil society. Do we really need US crutches? Given that the US has its own human rights abuses’ issue, would it not be more suitable for the Code Pink reps to be outside Guantanamo Bay right now since we can look after our own — and we should…
I dont agree with shireen mizari on above and would consider this as source of media publicity which is badly needed for creating awareness especially when local media is ban. So it does not matter who comes to help us albeit within limits
a good analysis by Ansar Abbassi on position of PPP and NS on restoration of judges and the impact of election boycott on restoration issue…. particularly the last para….
per my earlier email the last para of AA’s article
‘Those supporting the boycott option are considered “hawksâ€? in both the parties. The PPP leaders agree that the APDM’s boycott would benefit the PML-Q and hurt the PPP whereas the pro-polls elements in the PML-N argue that in case of APDM’s boycott, the PML-Q and the PPP would easily get 2/3rd majority required to indemnify the November 3 unconstitutional actions of Musharraf and would thus block the return of the deposed judges forever. PML-N doves argue that going into the elections by the APDM would mean a hung parliament, which would not be in a position to validate Musharraf’s amendments’
@ahmed bhai
At first I thought these are your comments “Now we have US human rights activists …” and I was little bit surprised.
Please note Shereen Mazari is one of those so-called intellectuals whose only job is to create confusion in the country and behind the mask if intellectualism they support the agressive regimes in Pakistan.
Aietzaz anounced his planning ti run the lawyers movement. He has written a letter in which he recommended the lawyers to run the movement according to 3 points.
1. If all political parties boycott elections 2008 than lawyers will also not support elections.
2. If political parties decide to participate in elections than lawyers will support only those politicians who will take oath in bar councils that they will play their part in restoration of Judiciary.
3. If political parties participate and nobody take oath for Judiciary restoration than by the end of January, he will launch a Judiciary bus which will travel all across Pakistan, with all those judges who refused to take oath under PCO.
Source:GEO News
Infact NS is now again in better position if keep standing wtih judiciary restoration demand. If BB does not agree to judiciary restoration, He would be able to say that its BB and not him and so he (NS) is boycotting.
This will make BBs position further weak and in light of rig elections, blame can be easily put on her defeat (or low seats) that it was due to her non judiciary support.
Why she will loose further because civil society which normally supports liberalism and to the extend BB, are really fed up with BB’s hypocritical politics and BB is feeling heat now.
So again good game by NS and he needs to stick with his demands.
All NS needs is one big rally which is announced to support judiciary – and thats it. civil society is just waiting for one such call
I think both PPP and PML(n) will not boycott the elections.Because as far as BB is concerned she will never boycott the elections.Because what she demanded from mush has already been accepted i.e removing uniform and lifting of emergency which will be lifted on 16th.So I think she will definitely go for the elections.Bcoz restoration of judges is not her priority.
And NS will definitely follow her bcoz she will convince him to participate so that the votes in punjab should be divided b/w pml N and pml Q and ppp will get advantage from that.
But I hope NS not to compromise on his demand of restoration of judges bcoz the survival of country depends all on the restoration of judiciary.
so we come back to street power…
perhaps NS can combine force with Aitzaz’s drive. They can join on this one point – restoration of judiciary.
The choice does seem to be very very difficult.
I also wonder about another point.
How come there were hundreds of thousands who came on the streets to support the CJ in March but no one came out this time when he was sacked again and he openly made calls for street protests? What motivated people then and why was taht not the case now?
My understanding is that free riders will not come under martial law and unless there is clear call and leadership involved, street protest is not going to work. scores of people can gather, may be peacefully, but thats it. voice is raised and heard but ignored.
I am sure even if AH was out and had made call, we would have seen another episode of March.
dont you notice any considerable name making call out? this is the irony and thats why civil society is bursting on political leaders.
URGENT: Get well soon for Honourable Justice Shahid Siddiqui:
Please send notes, flowers to show your continued support for him in this ordeal. For those outside the city or country, you can e-mail your letter of support to concernedpakistan@gmail.com – we will make sure the letter reaches him.
I sent following note to Honourable Justice Shahid Siddiqui. I am not good in English writing everybody is welcome to improve it
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Dear Honorable Sir,
First of all I and my family (my three little sons and my wife) are praying to Allah for your well being and early recovery. May Allah give you health and give you long life to provide us justice.
Dear Sir,
I am short of words to express my heart felt gratitude for giving us and our coming generations a ray of hope for a better future. I salute your courage and determination to provide justice to people of Pakistan.
My six years old son used to ask me how come the heros are only in tv programs and I had to tell him the stories of Quaid-e-Azam and other great personalities. But he always asked me why he can not meet those heros. Now every night I tell him stories of real life heros who live in Pakistan. I tell him how these heros sacrificed their career , their future for the future of Pakistan. Incidently my son was born in U.S. now he asks me to go to Pakistan as he wants to meet you.
Sir, let me salute you and tell you that you are held in highest esteem not only myself and my family but you will always be held in highest esteem in my generations to come. I am sure my son and then his son/daughter will always remember you as their hero. You are pride of this nation.
I am sure that you will be back in “My Lord’s” chair and will be dispensing justice to the common people of Pakistan who adore you from the bottom of their heart.
Please forgive me for my poor writing , I don’t have words that can truly express my feelings.
@Kami there was news about PCO CJ Sindh High Court that he had mental health problem and had been advised by Supreme Court to take voluntary retirement otherwise there was going to be an inquiry against him and he might have to be dismissed.
Well let me just say both these leaders, NS and BB, really have no faith in their own leadership or party. They don’t believe they can bring out their followers to the street in numbers. 20, 30 thousand would be plenty. Just do it in any one city. Do that for a week and I bet you not only would the numbers increase, their effect will multiply. All that is needed is a clear call by either of them.
Can they do it? Without a doubt. Will they do it? No a chance! What a shame.
can it happen other way around? I mean when there is political/ pre-election rally by either BB/NS, it turns into judiciary restoration demand by public/ supporters/ people and force leadership to say unambiguously
Late last night/early this morning, the police did, in fact come to Justice Siddiqui’s house in Lahore and removed the barricades (i.e. chairs, bedding etc. placed by the protesters) in preparation of the eviction. Justice Siddiqui suffered an angina episode and was admitted at the Punjab Institute of Cardiology.
Please send notes, flowers to show your continued support for him in this ordeal. For those outside the city or country, you can e-mail your letter of support to concernedpakistan@gmail.com – we will make sure the letter reaches him.
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I trust these people to send our notes to Honourable Justice.
I called Honourable Justice Sabihuddin on his number +92215847582 , I am so much excited I talke to him directly. He was so kind to speak to me. He told me we can send flowers to him on his address
Bungalow No. 44/II, 13th Street
Off Khayaban-e-Mujahid
Behind Khadda Market (Deltons)
Phase V
DHA
Karachi
Phone: 5847582
@Ahmed Bhai
“can it happen other way around? I mean when there is political/ pre-election rally by either BB/NS, it turns into judiciary restoration demand by public/ supporters/ people and force leadership to say unambiguously”
I wish but I doubt it…Certainly if the rally was at a particular place like a university or bar association. But at a purely political one? I don’t think so. What upsets me is the fact that even NS is not being “unambiguous.” He can make a big difference — and gain a lot of support — if he just takes a firm stand on it. But all people are getting are mixed messages like todys’s front page story “PML-N Finalizes Candidates”
AN OPEN LETTER TO BENAZIR BHUTTO FROM GHAZALA MINALLAH
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Ms BHUTTO, A FREE JUDICIARY BUT DETAINED JUDGES???
Dear Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto,
I was absolutely shocked and amazed at your latest statement regarding the judiciary. How could you, of all people, say that you believed in an independent judiciary BUT that personalities did not matter? If personalities did not matter then why was Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry removed? Why were some judges locked up whereas others were not? If personalities did not matter then why is Musharraf waging a personal war against the CJ? You do not have to be a genius to figure out the reason. How can you separate the personalities from the institution? What you have on Constitution Avenue right now is a besieged and helpless building. The unfortunate but harsh truth is that right now we are a besieged nation as well.
Ms. Bhutto, I am writing to you because your statement has shocked and disturbed me to the extent that I feel I have no option but to reach out to you in this manner. I would like to remind you, since you seem to have forgotten, that you too were the victim of a corrupt judiciary. If Justice Iftikhar had been the CJ of the Supreme Court at that time then perhaps your father would never have been hanged. Had the entire bench been like the present one then there would have been a unanimous judgment. But the judgment was not unanimous – it was a 4 to 3 split – just one judge too many on the wrong side. One more upright personality on the right side and our history would have been different. So yes, personalities certainly do matter.
Ms. Bhutto, I am writing to you in desperation because I am the daughter of Late Justice Safdar Shah, who was one of the three dissenting judges. When Mr., Bhutto was the Prime Minister my father was CJ of the Peshawar High Court. Both these headstrong personalities did not get on with each other, and because of Safdar Shah’s constant criticism and disagreement regarding the reforms and policies being introduced by the PM, the latter had him prematurely retired by introducing the 5th Amendment. After the coup, when Gen. Zia took over, and Mr. Bhutto was charged and convicted of Conspiracy to murder by the Lahore High Court, he appealed to the Supreme Court. Gen. Zia wanted Mr. Bhutto dead and he did his best to manipulate the bench. It soon became obvious as to WHY Safdar Shah had recently been appointed as judge of the Supreme Court . Having the typical mind-set of a dictator, Zia was sure that he would be vindictive and take revenge. But, he was wrong and the rest is history. WHY? Because three of the judges had the courage to say NO, and did not give in to the threats and pressure exerted on them. So yes Ms Bhutto, personalities do matter. Had Justice (retd) Wajiuddin’s father , the late Hon. Waheeduddin not been prematurely retired on extremely dubious medical grounds , history could have been different, No one can dispute the fact that the judgment was wrong since Justice (retd) Nasim Hassan Shah confessed on a talk show on TV a few years ago that the judges were threatened and pressurized into giving that judgment. Yes Ms. Bhutto, they were, and I am a witness to that fact. Ms. Bhutto, our paths crossed briefly and both of us were victims of a corrupt judiciary which colluded with a Military Dictator. But I am not writing this letter to lament about our plight, since nothing we went through can possibly compare to the torture and torment you and your family went through .Have you forgotten the times when you visited your father in prison? Have you forgotten the humiliating tactics those heartless tyrants subjected you and your family to? Have you forgotten the last time you went to visit him in prison and were not able to hug him? Whenever I think about that grave injustice, which was nothing but a judicial murder, my heart goes out to you and what you suffered then and have suffered since. That is precisely why I am at my wits end and cannot understand WHY you cannot value the importance of independent judges.
Ms. Bhutto, do you think you are invincible? Are you so blinded that you cannot or will not acknowledge the truth? Does it never occur to you that some day you might have to face those judges in the present Supreme Court.? Well let me please spell it out. With independent judges you get a verdict you deserve, whereas with the present kind of farce you get a judgment dictated by the intelligence agencies or the dictator himself. Do you honestly not know or are you honestly not aware of the grave injustice going on? Does it not send a chill up your spine that if the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court can be tossed around by Musharraf it could very well be you as well ?For God’s sake Ms. Bhutto , WAKE UP .You owe it to your father as well as to the nation to defend the judiciary and fight for its independence.
My father continued to be persecuted even after the judgment and we were forced to leave the country. But I will never forgive or forget those responsible for the torment my father went through during his last years. He died an unhappy man and was never able to get over the fact that he was not able to prevent the cold-blooded murder of an innocent man. And that innocent person was your father for God’s sake! I have vowed that I will continue to fight for the independence of the judiciary come what may! I was confident and certain that once you were back you would definitely take up this battle and lead the nation towards sanity.
Ms. Bhutto, is it not obvious to you WHY Musharraf wants Justice Iftikhar out of the way? Ask the families of the ‘missing persons’, who for the first time were being heard and for the first time they could see a light at the end of the tunnel. Everyone knows who is responsible but no one before this CJ had the courage to take up the matter. Ask the countless downtrodden people who had discovered that they could have direct access to the CJ through Suo Moto notices. Ask 2 and 3 yr old Aneela and Tasleem from
Naudero Feroze in Sindh , ask 4 yr old Shaneela or 6yr old Munni or 8 yr old Marina from Mardan what this Chief Justice has done for them. These innocent little girls were the victims of jirga decisions according to which they were to be handed over to the enemy as a symbol of truce .
It was Justice Iftikhar who took serious notice of this barbaric custom and passed strict orders to the local authorities to prevent this atrocity from carrying on. It was during the tenure of this CJ that serious environmental disasters were averted. Who took notice of the New Muree Project? Who took action in the Dungi ground case? Who prevented Shah Sharabeel from converting a public park in sector F-7 Islamabad into a multi-million commercial project? Ask the poor people living in the adjacent Christian colony what that decision meant to them. Sharabeel has taken up arms against the CJ since this decision because for that class of people the slum dwellers are a low life who do not deserve any special attention. I can go on and on about the cases in which the SILENT CRIES OF THE DOWNTRODDEN of our society were being heard by a sympathetic judge for the first time.
Ms. Bhutto, these are the Suo Moto notices which Musharraf said were a waste of time in his speech justifying the emergency. If personalities did not matter then why is Musharraf so
threatened by this man? On any and every occasion he gets he attacks and tries to malign the CJ with a vengeance. His abnormal hatred for the man has exposed the truth. He knows very well that this man was the biggest hurdle in his plans to destroy what is left of our country. The coup was against the judiciary, the ‘emergency’ was created to sack the CJ and the other conscientious judges. Musharraf needs to be told that we are not a nation of imbeciles and that everyone is aware of the truth and the depth of the situation. We all know that the ‘crisis’ in Swat or the
threat of terrorism had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the sacking of the CJ and the locking up of him and the other judges.
Once again Ms Bhutto, I beg you to think very carefully about where you are heading. I beg you not to betray your father or the nation. I beg you not to fall into Musharraf’s trap and to boycott the elections. The rigging has already taken place, so why are you allowing yourself to become a party to this farce? I beg you to realize that you are the one holding the trump card right now. If you boycott the election, THEY lose face. But if YOU participate, you not only lose face, you lose the confidence and the faith the people of Pakistan have in you. Last but not least, you owe it to Bilawal, Bakhtawar, Aseefa and all future generations of our beloved country.
We should have no doubt, if the elections are held & all parties participate except IK, the first thing the new parliamentarians will do is 18th amendment. One should have no doubt about that. period.
I fully agree with you. But what would 18th amendment have – no one can say?
Just wait and see – if you look back had you ever imagined on 8 March what was in store for all of us. We couldnt have imagined it in our wildest imaginations.
So leave it to Allah and He is going to change things for good. I am hundred percent sure.
I speak to Syed Afzal Haider on 03008490999 regarding vacation of Judges from their Houses. He says, he has oath according to the constitution not PCO, then I put the question then why you follow the orders of judges who taken oath according to PCO? He did not commented on it.
Another thing I highlighted was support of activities by Syed Afzal Haider and Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada. I told him Hazrat Ali
was a judge and u pple at least remeber that your blood is from some one who was judge.
Your activities has bring bad names to the family of Syeds.
@Asif
Sadly, I agree Great crimes have been committed and the slaughter of Judiciary is but one of the many. Funny thing is no one is even aware of them. People don’t realize is most of your national assets have been “sold” at penny to the dollar. “Foreign investment” is a scam — no money is coming in. Your land is being “leased” out to corporations. Your banks are not yours any more. Even your roads are pledged to thieves.
What is going on in Pakistan at the moment is not going to affect the current election, but the most worrisome thing for the US think tank is to stop this movement of freedom a among the lawyers and civil society, because this could create lot more problems for the US strategy in future. They dont want to see Pakistan as a free society just like India or other nations. They knows the potential of Pakistani people at individual level. For the last 60 years, they are successful in keeping us divid in the form of corrupt Nawaz Sharif or BB. This can hurt the army as well.
For them they will do anything to stop this freedom movement even if they have to take out Musharaf ( if they see this is going to become a dangrous for future!!)
How reporting tilts the balance in one way or other? But the things become irritating when the video & commentry mismatch.Heres an example from yesterdays protest.
Video footage: students, civil society & Tehreek-i-Insaaf people with posters & flags & shouting slogans were clearly visible.
AAJ TV News: students, civil society & Tehreek-i-Insaaf people protested.
Geo News: students, civil society protested.
This s!te: Lawyers, NGOs, Human Rights workers, journalists and members of civil society also joined in to show their support to the students. With one Pic showing police lathi charge with one angle.
So AAJ TV no mistmatch between the footage & report. Geo TV a mismatch between the footage & report ignoring Tehreek-i-Insaaf from the commentry. This s!te, no mismatch between the pic & comments, but entirely ignored Thereek-i-Insaaf people in both pic & comments.
Its just how it goes. Any comments would be more than apperciative.
@Pejamistri. If we join hands we can do something for Justice Siddiqui!
Following is the message that I have sent for Hon Justice Shahid Siddiqui
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My Lord Honourable Justice Mr. Justice Shahid Siddiqui, As Salam O Aleukum,
My Lord I along with scores of concerned Pakistanis abroad want to extend our deep gratitude for what you have gone through for us. I also send my warm wishes and pray to Allah you get well soon. You, My Lord with your brother judges have shown that Pakistan will still exist as a country. Your courage, determination and struggle has now become part of history and whenever a rightful government is restored our children and generations to come will see you as beacons of light. Yazid after killing Imam Hussain and bringing the grand daughters of the Prophet (SAW) into the bazars was happy that he has completed the task of his forefathers i.e. degradation of Islam and the Prophet. Today Yazid has been annihilated and Hussain is alive. A principled stand My Lord has placed you on the side of Imam Hussain and against Yazid-e Asr. Not a bad place to be!
Needless to say My Lord, your wish is my command. Please do command me to do something for you or your family at this time whilst you have a long struggle ahead of you.
I have just talked to Afzal Haider on his mobile. He was travelling to Lahore. He has assured that he will talk to the CM Punjab and the CJ Lahore High Court,. He was of the view that the orders of vacation of houses have been passed by the CJ lahore High Court. Rememebr the CJ Lahore is vehemently gaianst the CJ Iftikahr Ch. It is him behind it. Afzal Haider promised to help!
Pervez Musharraf through his office has advised teh Cabinet division to advise all teh office and also the media that his name should be written as President Pervez Musharraf and it should NOT INCLUDE General (Retd) with his name.
Looks like he now hates his former skin very much.
I am amazed because I know that in my village even if one was Havaldar in Army he would proudly write Havaldar with his name even after retirement.
This is perhaps the first retired general who does not want retired with his name.
Yar ye waqt bhi ana tha – Allah ki kia kudrat hai.
You know what – when yesterday police tried to come to evict Justice Siddiqui – three great ladies – Asma Jehagir, Bushra Aitzaz and wife of Justice Iqbal (son of Allama Iqbal) came there and the police had to withdraw – such are our brave women –
Shame on those men – who are sitting at home and not moving out and saying what is right is right and are afraid of Musharraf and police
Our leaders should be sent to Iran to spent some time with Great President AhmadNijad to learn as to how to be the humbel servant of their contituencies in Pakistan. We sure need leadrs like him in Pakistan.
On the Contrary; Mush is going to buy a very expencive Plane for his personal use from the tax payers money.
@chussain
I agree with you. Women are taking the lead.
Unless we show courage the struggle will be longer. I feel myself sorry to be out of Pakistan, but sometimes I think what if I were there and had not come out I would have felt so ashamed of myself.
I spoke to Honorable Justice Sabihuddin and am feeling so proud today to speak to a real life hero.
My Allah bless him.
@Kruman
Justice Rana Bhagwan Das said on BBC that once the leaders of lawyers are released or a new leadership emerges from the available lawyers movement will gain momentum and will be successful.
I was watching a report on Dawn news about demolition of Kachi Abadis in Karachi. There are 6 million people who are being displaced WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION.
Some have been there for more than 15 years and there are laws that protect them but City Nazim Mustafa Kamal government only gives them 2 HOURS NOTICE.
Only reason I could think is that they are not Mohajirs and not MQM voters. Even City Nazim refused to comment on Dawn News report. Obviously he cannot defend such inhuman and illegal acts.
During CJP’s case Justice Ramday had asked Aitzaz to get a bus driving permit. His wish is about to come true. AItzaz has announced a country-wide tour on a bus for all non-PCO judges if the judges are not restored by end of January.
@jojo
Last statement by that HUMONGOUS A**SHOLE was “Spoken like a true politician – no definite answer!” which was totally not true and handled nicely by IK. Was that doing his job as well?
And did you not notice on previous such statements he went to commercial immediately?
I just got back from work and saw the last bit of news on Geo …..amazing scenes of student protests in islamabad and lahore (I believe one outside Justice SS house).
The scenes were really moving and reminded me of the lawyers movement..under police brutality….
highlight: while police was batton charging male students, a young student girl leapt from the crowd ….. and held the police batons back…this forced police to back-track! (I am not joking these were amazing scenes)
all of them seem so energetic and forcefull – i suppose their ‘imaan’ is very strong…..Its definetley worth watching
@Kami (and @dmin),
I am posting Kami’s comments on the caliber of PCO judges on my blog, with your permission. If you object to that please let me know at dem.freedom@gmail.com
@Syed Mansoor Shah
Your Syed Afzal Haider is a lying b*tch. Just hearted him on PTV saying no judges were fired under the PCO but they ceased to be Judges under the Judges Ordinance 2007 (don’t remember the exact name) as no oath was offered to them anyways under that ordinance. So according to him, the decision given by them against the PCO was not valid as they had ceased to be judges BEFORE the PCO was issued.
You going to ring the b*stard up again? If you do, don’t buy a thing he is saying
@Admin
any chance of showing clips of Geo News at around 5.40pm UK time – student rallies in islamabad and lahore?
as per my earlier message highlight was: while police was baton charging students, a young student girl leapt from the crowd…. and held the police batons back with her bare hands….this forced police to back-track! (I am not joking these were amazing scenes)
Thanks for sharing this link. This image of the young girl holding back the police is a defining moment and should be shown directly in your post for all to see.
@admin: can you help out here. For those of us who are technically challenged, can we send you images that you can upload.
i dont understand y this guy javed ch flip flop so much…is he one of those journalists who are on govt’s payroll…
HE is distorting the history …or he doesnt have the corrent information about the events transpired in 60s and 70s….
for your kind information both ayub and yahya gave resignation on army pressure …and as far as mush is concerned he is the biggest devil of them all..his atrocities are responsible for his exit from ghq….he didnt have any choice left ….today army is the most hated institution bc of mush….army shld have kicked this monster out long ago..they delayed the inevitable…
@imran malik
Establishment (Army) employs different people for different tasks. But the objective is always same. Read his last paragraph and you will understand what he is writing and for whom he is writing. Few journalist you will find as if they are writing for the people , but it is part of their job to show people as if they stand with them and then sow the seeds of doubt , uncertainity and hatred.
The hatred against politician is basically hatred against civillians. That is why Generals will always call civilians as “bloody civillians” and “bloody politicians”.
And most unfortunate thing is that they speak against the same politicians who always saved this army from disaster. In 1971 Bhutto brought back 90,000 of PoW, most of them senior military officers. It was only he who did not decide to court martial all of those officers and I will never forgive him for that.
Then in Kargil it was Nawaz Sharif who saved them from a total disaster , it was his meeting with Clinton on 4th of July which saved this army from another humiliating defeat with thousands of PoW. It is a well known fact that they were even not bringing the shaheed back from Kargil.
And still these people show their hatred against politicians.
@nabeel
I agree with the comment to this article that the author must be based on Mars. He has little to do with the realities on earth.
He is trying to confuse people and nothing else. I think he is a true M&u&s&h L&o&v&e&r and wants to create a maximum doubt about his acts.
I would just call it cheap publicity.
I do hope that in twenty first century there is a great probability of some generals in army realizing that army is not bigger than the nation. It is quite possible that for once we get some generals who are truly sincere to the nation and decide to wash away sins of their elders. Just like we found 50+ honest souls (and see they were majority of all the judges) , who finally said enough is enough , no more “doctrine of necessity” only “rule of law”.
Again there is no harm in having a wishful thinking … but the struggle goes on and on….
modify it, make addition, twist it, give it time, practice it with whole heart and soul, then again rectify it, purify it, make check and balaneces add more check and balances, keep repeating it till centuries but still it will be dependant upon human Conscience, which is a rarity in Pakistan……..i find common person in west a very good human being than “muslims” in Pakistan because he obeys law either out of fear or of his conscience…… You are amlan munafiq if u say u r muslim and dont offer prayers practise Islam. This has been revealed in First ayaat of suraah Bakra. A good muslim will always have alive conscience.
Spoke to my lawyer friend in Lahore who went to a meeting held by Shahbaz Sharif for lawyers. My friend had a chance to speak to Shahbaz in private and he says that SS told him that PML N will never settle on less than free judiciary. My friend claimed that SS said that his party would even risk fighting elections that are fraud & lose but NOT WITHOUT old judiciary.
I hope that PML N stays true to the word, up till now they have. Hum Sab Umeed Say Hein.
@kruman1
Aitzaz Ahsan has given the best strategy. I would say even in option 2 , if PPP decides to take part in election, the candidates of PPP should be asked to take this oath. This will make sure that those who are saying now that they are taking part in election in order to block mad dictator’s way to get approval of his actions from assembly, do not compromise with the dictator in the end. It will also be intersting if the Molvi Diesel also takes this oath
@Haroon
They must now be enjoying holidays now. I told them that don’t make fool for yourself too long. In fact that young kid Ali Ahsan disgraced them too much , although they are shamless but they thought it’s better enjoy US trip then to defend me .
Peja Mistri
I have a freind in Brussels and he told me that some people are paying 30 EUROS per hour to come to rally in favour of Musharraf!!
I have received another email from a friend who has informed us about government of Pakistan’s recent circular to embassies in Europe and US to get its employees and their families/friends out in favour of Mush. They have been asked to use discretionary funds for the time being and more money will follow. I will ask for his permission to reproduce his ‘confidential’ email.
@Kami
“…in Brussels…some people are paying 30 EUROS per hour to come to rally in favour of Musharraf!…government of Pakistan’s recent circular to embassies in Europe and US to get its employees and their families/friends out in favour of Mush.”
People of Brussels are lucky – at least they are getting 30 Euros and not being force to attend these rallies (though the embassy employees might not be that lucky). Don’t you remember the May 12 “rally” in Islamabad as people lay dying on the streets of Karachi?
The focus should remain on the boycott .If oath has to do any thing why the lota judges take oath under PCO.I consider the sugession to diffuse the focus from the restoration of november 03 judiciary .It will be the biggest GADARI with the Hero judges ,it will also harm the unity of lawers.The lawers community should not buy this arguement .It will also damage the integrity of aitziz Ahson
Also Remeber politicians winning on party seats became lota afterwards ,DID oath stopped Musharaf to take over government .who cares about any committment
For me, this is really disappointing for the reason that I would have expected a headline like “ARD, APDM definitely united on judges issue” as that is the only and only clear issue at hand. And aren’t ARD and APDM the same, the main difference being one is without PPPP? So the only issue that matters to me BB says don’t mention it, it’s not important:( ARD, APDM united on all but judges issue
“…According to sources, there was complete agreement on the following points of the Charter of Demands: end to emergency and restoration of the Constitution; elections on the announced date (January 8); new interim set-up in consultation with the opposition parties; suspension of local bodies; full strength of the Election Commission, and end to ghost polling stations….Talking to newsmen after the meeting, PML (N) Information Secretary Ahsan Iqbal said the draft would be finalized today and would be sent to the respective leaderships for whetting. It would also be presented to the JUI (F) Chief Maulana Fazalur Rehman and ANP President Asfandyar Wali for their support. “Once we get a go-ahead signal from all the leaders, it would be formally presented and made public,” he added….When asked whether the issue of restoration of judges would top the Charter of Demands, he said it was the demand of the whole nation. “The committee was formed to formulate those demands which reflect the wishes of the people of Pakistan,” he added….“ So are we again dependent on Fazlu and Wali? And if the restoration of judges is the top of the whole nation, then why is it the only sticking point?
aitzaz ahsan should be the first one declaring that he is boycotting the elections instead following his party pricinples.
he is the one who fought the case for cj and i am still wondering that what is he waiting for,his own cj is under house arrest since 3rd nov and he has filed the nominations and still waiting to withdraw rather than he should be the one for throwing the first stone.
he should boycott the elections and leave his party which has got no intention to get into the power and find new ways of doin corruption again.
I don’t know why people like you expect charity to begin from Aitzaz and are looking over heinous crimes of Pervaizo Mush. Aitzaz is not free, don’t demand anything from a jailed man.
Don’t worry. All politicians are after Mush’s skin (real one this time!!). Only difference is NS wants to give him a chance to say Kalima (I think it is some song in Turkish language), whereas BB believes in giving him a surprise kiss of death. Whereas Imran has already given warning from his side!!
i m not arguing about aitzaz integrity but i am sayin that he should distance himself from his party this is the time now for such decisions and as far as not doin any thing from home i dont agree,any body could withdraw their nominations without even goin to the election commission
he should not had put his nominations paper at first place
No opposition party including PPP is against the reinstatement of the judges. The real question is that will Mush accept that demand? If the answer is no then why waste time. Large part of the opposition considers that all opposition parties should agree on the point that after election, none of the current opposition parties will support the indemnity for Nov. 3 action. What does that mean? That means emergency and all the unconstitutional measures will be invalid and unconstitutional resulting in restoration of judiciary as of Nov. 2nd. I think it is quite pragmatic approach. Even if the 2008 elections are rigged, there will be 125-150 MNAs from PPP & N league. At that time legislative and street pressure will produce the desired results for opposition then the current approach. Boycott will be the biggest blunder which all opposition particularly N league and PPP will regret for at least next 10 years. IK has accepted the role of a leader of pressure group rather than political party. He has nothing to loose. The boycott at this time will be emotional and irrational approach which will hurt efforts to promote democracy and rule of law. Let’s say all opposition parties boycott the election, the only pressure on current regime will be moral one. Leading opposition leadership is not naive to think that the current immoral and illegitimate regime will take that moral pressure to do what’s right. To corner the regime to accept the demands of the opposition, the opposition should be in a position to either dictate its terms or in a position where regime is compelled to discuss their demands.
@huma
“The real question is that will Mush accept that demand?”
Please! That is a cop-out. Maybe the lawyers should have not demanded restoration of CJ back in March for they were sure Mush won’t accept it, so why demand it, right?
@huma
“To corner the regime to accept the demands of the opposition, the opposition should be in a position to either dictate its terms or in a position where regime is compelled to discuss their demands.”
Exactly. And you don’t corner the regime by being timid.
with utmost respect to both of you, I will just say that you lack the basic understanding of the politics. There is no way………and mark my words……… no way to force Mush through street agitation or winning battle based on morality. Had it been the case, it would have happened few months earlier. Through political acumen of two leading opposition leaders, we have Mush without his skin. It would not have happened without the untiring efforts of these astute leaders. The only way judiciary could be restored is when Mush is forced through next National Assembly. …………. Anyways………thinking about all possible outcomes and the way others may behave is not an easy task. Strategic moves to achieve ends is not a common skill among political leadership. Had it been the case, we would not have tons of political parties with tons of leaders but no workers.
they were forced to leave by street agitation,growing hatred in public leading to pressure on army to get rid of them….
only exception is zia…he was murdered…
so those who beleive on fairy tale that mush will be kicked out by any legislative measure passed in parliament they live in FOOL’S PARADISE….
HAVE U HEARD THAT “LAAATON KE BHOOT BAATON SE NAHEEN MAANTEY”
so ayub bowed out bc of moral calling…from 1958 to 1969 there was not such calling….what happened all of a sudden….bhutto lead agitation and the slogans of ayub KUTT@ was the reason….
now yahya was kicked out by gul hassan …after the fall out of dhaka ,yahya still wanted to stick around but immense pressure on army resulted in general gul hassan’s action …he literally forced yahya to resign…read history books…
in zia’s time there wasnt any agitation…he cashed on pro relegious sentiment and suppressed pppp factor …he was murdered ,elections in 1985 didnt do much damage to him….
havent you heard…”ghee seedhi ungli se naheen nikley ga”
army understands the language of power….they uses power and are scared of it too….what changed mush’s decision is not parlament but phone call from his dad in usa….these army people are trained in this way….for them the constitution is there just for the amendments thruough lota cracy …
Nawaz Sharif Addresses Press Conference after Meeting with Ambassadors
“Our papers have been rejected, this is the biggest proof that the elections will be massively rigged. What has changed since 2002 when my papers were accepted. We will not appeal because the high court is filled with Mush loyalist judges.”
“Current govt and election commission are partial.”
“We want to see a strong Pakistan with a free judiciary.”
Hi guys – I have been reading all the posts with great interest. I agree with you all that these polls are fraud and no one should participate in it and there should be total boycott. i completely agree with that. However if there is a danger that one party is going to participate then teh policy should be changed.
Dekho yaar agar dushman kameena ho na to phir us ko deal karnay ka tareeqa bhi wohi hona chahye.
Look come what may – Musharraf wants this election and he would like Q should sweep it.
And he would do it at any cost.
So how to damage him. Can be done on two fronts – reduce the effect of those parties who are aligned with him in elections – if BB and NS jointly participate in these sham elections and make it a point that no one would give any indemity to Musharraf’s action and also would restore Judiciary – this would be another headache for Musharraf and he would be more inclined to rig the elections and so everything would stand exposed.
But if BB participates and NS does not there is a very good chance that BB with Q would give indemity to Musharraf. So NS not only has to stop Q but also BB and Fazlu deisel. #
In ideal situation Aitzaz should leave BB but I know why NS and Aitizaz dont want to shun BB – because that would make teh prize land in Musharraf’s lap. This they dont want. They dont want to push her to opposite camp. Thats NS is not bothered about appealing his disqualification because he know this is a transient phase and the next goverment if at all comes out of this election would be a very unstable goverment.
By teh way I was surprised to read in the article by Safdar Mahmood – Englightened Moderation – that Khursheed Mahmood Kasoor’s wife and daughters were in fore front protesting against PCO and clamp on media.
Q league has totally disappeared except for occasional biyans of Shujaat and Pervez Elahi.
I am not clear about your point. Are you suggesting that Mush cannot be removed through street power beacuse a) such a power cannot be mustered, or b) even if people come out in very large numbers, they will not have any effect?
If you mean a) I agree with you. So far politicians have failed and disappointed on this. But if you mean this than I am surprised that you are insisting taht parliament will get rid of Mush. Why would the same politician dare to genuinely challenge Mush/ army then when they are unwilling to do so now? Why should we not expect a repeat of 2002 when the aprliament actually supported Mush?
If you mean b), I am afraid, I will have to disagree with you. The only power dictators are afraid of is mass street power. Huma, if you do not have faith in mass power, you have no faith in democracy.
We can lament that strett power is not there but to say that it will not be effective, and still to think that parliament will be able to get rid of a dictator is a gross misunderstanding. On the other hand, your stance can be seem as a very astute support for Mush. You are discouraging street power while knowing fully well taht parliament will never be successful and thus Mush regime gets guaranteed. This is eaxctly how Mush is thinking, why else would he insist that everyone should participate in elections. He knows, a parliament is the best guarantee for his stay.
I would hope taht your reply would systematically deal with my points.
your optimnistic scenario is based on an assunption:
if BB and NS jointly participate in these sham elections and make it a point that no one would give any indemity to Musharraf’s action and also would restore Judiciary
why should thsi happen? In particular, what makes you trust BB on this? And even NS fully? I think, the more likely scenario is a repeat of 2002 situation. PML (Q), MQM, some lotas of PML(N) and PPP + some independent and small parties will togather provide Mush with legitimacy. Mush knows this and taht is why he is insisting on elections.
@chussain
Sorry bro but you have fallen into the trap. Please re-read what you have posted. Are you suggesting we all become k*njars to deal w*th a k*njar? No thanks
NS stopped at a barrier in judges colony. Police won’t let him proceed. Intense sloganeering by lawyers and PMLN activists. Heavy police contingent on site. Shoving and pulling between PMLN activists and police.
NS about to address the workers and lawyers. Makhdoom Hashmi, Ch Nisar and Ahsan Iqbal also with Nawaz.
This policy of trying to reduce the strength of ally parties of dictators has been the bane of our existence since long. I want everyone to shun it now. Even if BB participates, the others should not. Enough is enough! Also I do not see the so called elected parliament resulting from these elections going very far in any case. At the most 2-3 years and then the same instability as PPP, PMLQ and Musharraf (with Fazlu thrown in for good measure) don’t make very long lasting buddies. So everyone should concentrate on getting rid of this evil now rather than push it for later.
I hope non of you were expecting anything other than corruption scandals!!
This one is about Mush and Chaudrys pet ex-minister money-scam unearthed not by opposition but Govt own dept!
wardi ke beghair us ki mot hai
wardi ya us ke beghair us ki nahin koi pehcan hai
kutta main us ki jaan hai
woh khali zuban ka sadr-e pakistan hai
insaan to kia woh janwar ki bhi toheen hai
worth reading last para. after all kasuri runs beacon house schools and this is the social pressure needed. otherwise after elections, pakistani sisyasat can be explained in one sentence ” Raat gaey baat gaey”
Guys maybe you are right – to be honest even I dont know whats going to happen in next one month – Only Allah can tell. Because He knows the best.
One thing however I agree with you that the elections should be boycotted. AFter all in 1993 MQM had also boycotted the elections and in 2001 they had bocyotted the Local Bodies elections – they have not been exterminated. So yes I believe those parties who believe that these are sham elections they should boycott it.
I think the ethical way forward is byocotting the election. Not doing so is simply a way of consenting to the whole military arrangement with the posisbility of getting into power.
In addition to what was written in the article posted by Aneeza, there is another advantage of boycotting the election. At the end of the day, US establishment has to sell its support to Musharraf to its people and to those in opposition. With major parties boycotting the election, this task will become difficult. We noted how the western media had become anti-Musharraf in the days following emergency beacuse of the hard and violent steps he took. We need to strengthen those who are anti-Musharraf in USA and europe. Boycotting elections would do that.
Alas, having said all this, I am simply working with what Gramsci said: “pessimism of intellect, optimism of will”. I do not think that politicians will rise to the occassion but I desperately wish so.
@Aneeza
Dawn has a piece on the subject as well: First Things First by Muneer A. Malik
Some other articles from today’s Dawn: Desparate Moves On Arbab Rahim and his deal making. Do read the last para to uncover another govt scam about education.
I should have included this editorial above as well: PR exercises abroad
“A GENERAL going to a democratic country to plead another general’s case for his political credentials is indeed biz*rre….”
Is Dawn News channel replica of PTV? They created so much fuss about not allowing them license and showed is if they will be the most independent channel if allowed to launch. Now they have only clowns coming in their debates.
I wish as they are english news channel they bring “Wasi Zafar” in such debates that will at least make their debates worth watching as comedy show and will beat “Hum Sub Umeed Say hain” and 4 Man Show.
1- Heat is over from Army – less discussed in media
2- Mush getting stronger ?
3- Focus changed to BB and NS and charter of demands and eventually elections –
4- AA per se, matters dragged till end of Jan? after elections
5- Media about to kick off again with election city
6- civil society effort – aatey main namak
7- what else
Any one recently heard anything about Shaukat Aziz?
for those who dont know who Shaukat Aziz is:
- he was the PM of Pakistan until 2 weeks ago. (remember now or still struggling?)
- he is the longest serving PM of Paksitan’s history. (puppy was kept indoors – away from public – under @rm(y) guard)
- he is the best performer PM in the history of Pakistan. (that came from Mush so you can imagine how much truth is in that!)
- he was the only PM of Pakistan’s history who got a farewell reception at President House when he completed his tenure (Our President is very scared to go anywhere)
- he is the gem of pakistani politics (just like a gem, he is a stone (face) and unable smile)
while i was writing this missing person enquiry someone told me that ex-PM (Phitcar Mimister) was seen travelling between Karachi and Khaibar….apparantely he was looking for a constituency for elections!
but then i was told that he found more than one…great…but unfortunately could not get minimum support from local voters (nomination papers require about 25 supporters)…..
so sorry I am that we treat our former leaders like this……..Well never mind no one knew him anyway!….but imagine what would happen to his master Mush when he leaves???
@ahmed bhai
Apart from point 2 which is totally incorrect, I would agree with rest of your points. But look what we have achieved.
1. A permanent dent in the cerdibility of army as nation saving institution. Back in 1988 when General Zia was ruling over this country I clearly remember apart from BBC radio nobody will ever be able to say anything against the army. They were teh most sacred cow , not any more.
2. The whole face of judiciary has changed , people still remember Justice Carnileus as the only one who gave verdict against the sitting general. Save few judges in Z.A. Bhutto case very few judges were bold enough to write dissenting notes only.
3. Apart from few very very lonely voices nobody ever appericiated the sacrifice of judges who did not take oath under PCO under General Zia and General Mush, but now the “whole” nation at least feels sympathy for 50+ judges.
I think as a civil society we went into this tournament as the weakest team against the teams of ruthless dictator , and despite the weakest we are now in final. See how many of his teams we have beaten.
1. Corrupt Judiciary team. (They were just bulldozed by us. Doogara team in Supreme Court is most shamefully beaten team).
2. Corrupt Politicians Team. (Shortcut Aziz along with his clowns is history)
3. Corrupt Intellectuals Team (Those intellectual who supported mad dictator now either keep quiet or openly against him)
4. Last but not the least the dreaded “Uniform team”. Mad dictator is now naked without uniform.
In this knock out tournament we are now in the final having a direct match with Army generals to go back to barracks and bring the rule of law.
We may or may not win this final, but we are winner at the end of the day.
@pejamistri
Remember Dawn News Inaugration? And remember they were crying at the time because govt had stopped giving them their ads which to me was odd that such an old newspaper was saying we could not survive without them. That should be reason enough for it to close up shop
Excerpt from link above:
“…While praising the launching of the country’s first 24-hour English language news channel, President Musharraf described it as a unique event. But at the same time he did not hesitate in taking full credit for the mushrooming of private television channels, saying that whatever freedom there was in the country it was only because of him. “I alone had insisted that we must give them freedom so that the media could hold everyone accountable,â€? he said while recalling the early years in power when he had framed the media policy….”
President Musharraf said (in his own extempore style) at the inauguration speech of DawnNews channel that there’s nothing (negative) happening and that there’s hardly any poverty in the country now. He asserted that People in rural areas used to buy “Gaye Soapâ€? and now use “Lux Soapâ€? instead.”
The biggest sin of PML Q is to name their Muslim League after Quaid-i-Azam ; that poor man’s name they have dishonoured. Shame on them.
Pakistan should pass a law whereby no one except Pakistan goverment can name anything with the name of Quaid-1-Azam and Jinnah – otherwise now every Tom Di@ck and Har@ry are using these names for whatever reason.
It is good to have these weired people. When we see their sad tactics, we appreciate the nicer people more. It is like when a fake note is brought to us then we appreciate that majority of notes we have are real and that is a good thing.
BB barred from proceeding to Dubai on technical grounds. Govt is blackmailing her, telling her that she can be placed on ECL and arrested if she causes trouble.
Just heard BB on interview. Said “PPP & PMN-N agree on elections will be rigged.” She is leaving for Dubai again for at least 3 days (“I miss my kids” was the excuse, like her kids have warrants out for them and will be nabbed if they came here instead)
She denied she was going to have a high-level meeting with the government which means she is going to be having a high-level meeting with the government.
Now here’s what her plan looks like to me:
1. Make PML-N take part in that rigged election
2. For that she asks government for more seats
3. Elections happen, rigged of course, but are in PPP’s favor meaning PPP gets more seats than deserved.
4. PML-N cries foul. PML-N asks PPP to not accept the results.
5. PPP says elections were rigged and claims she would have gotten even more seats if the elections were fair, but for the transition to democracy and the good of the country she will make the sacrifice and accept it for now.
@Kruman
Just pure drama on BB’s part. Nothing else. I posted what I think is BB’s plan but is awaiting moderation. Tell me what you think. Oh and I will try it here once again too and see if I can get past the filter…
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Highlights:
child of a lion is a lion. His daughter tells about the reason of her father’s arrest.
Baba kehta tha woh (Musharraf) loogoon kay saath na insaafi karta tha. Ghareeboon koo khana ku nahi daita , loogoon kay saath bura pesh aata hai.
Baba Musharraf ku kehtay thay tum mat karoo aisa. Achha pesh aaoo loogoon kay saath bura mat pesha aaoo.
How true the little child has explained the bitter reality of Pakistan. This is what I call “ABSOLUTE TRUTH” .
Just heard BB on interview. Said “PPP & PMN-N agree on elections will be rigged.� She is leaving for Dubai again for at least 3 days (�I miss my kids� was the excuse, like her kids have warrants out for them and will be nabbed if they came here instead)
She denied she was going to have a high-level meeting with the government which means she is going to be having a high-level meeting with the government.
Now here’s what her plan looks like to me:
1. Make PML-N take part in that rigged election
2. For that she asks government for more seats
3. Elections happen, rigged of course, but are in PPP’s favor meaning PPP gets more seats than deserved.
4. PML-N cries f*ul. PML-N asks PPP to not accept the results.
5. PPP says elections were rigged. Claims she would have gotten even more seats had the elections been fair, but for the transition to democracy and the good of the country she will make the sacrifice and accept it for now.
@Asif
Charter of Demands is not final yet but since day one the only point BB/PPP is refusing to subit to is that one i.e. restoration of judiciary. For she knows that means no NRO
$20 BILLION COST OF WAR ON TERROR TO PAKISTAN
I asked a panel of terrorism and security experts including Sri Hilary Synot, Jonathan Paris of Hudson Institute to comment at the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security on 3rd December 2007, (a) going to war without a plan is bad but having no exit strategy is even worse (b) ‘it is said that lot of aid has been offered to Pakistan since 2001 but in actual fact Pakistan’s economy suffered $10 billion in three years between 2001 – 2004 according a report published by the US Central Command in 2004. Keeping in view the continuation of the war for another three years up 2007 Pakistan’s economy has suffered $20 billion or more in total in the support of Global War on terror. Khurshid Kasuri former foreign minister of Pakistan gave me an off the record explanation about the 2004 US Central Command report which was not valid at all. That money could have been spent on poverty elevation, education, health, housing, and research. But countries like Pakistan don’t have enough resources like developed UK, EU and US. The environmental problem is borderless and need to have international dimension….
According to news report a Saudi arm twister met Nawaz and asked him to take part in elections “for the good of the country.” Nawaz was shown afterwards saying if APDM decides not to boycott, he will take “bharpoor” part in campaigns of his parties candidates.
So there you have it. Any one have any doubts about boycott any more?
I dont think its that simple…
i dont see bb and mush working together and that also with giving share to pervez elahi group ,,that makes it close to impossible..
only viable scenerio i can forsee in future is mush less pakistan and politics back to 90s mode ..that is bb vs pml….and pml will be combined q and n…chaudharies and NS will patch up since they can’t afford to divide the anit bhutto sentiments (it wouldnt help neither chahdaries nor NS to split anti bhutto vote )….SE WE WILL BE BACK TO 90s mode soon ….and mush will be axed soon…i dont see any practical soln with mush now…..
i dont give any significance to these elections…so whoever do bycott will gain respect in few months …when elections will be reheld….i strongly feel that elections if at all conducted under mush wouldnt hold any significance…i think politicians shld also be smart enough to know it and shld bycott.. i still beleive that NS will bycott..and you never know about BB she might get this signal at 11th hr from her bosses in washington….
i really dont see any role of mush in future…any practical political scenerio is w/o mush ……with old pml and pppp fighting …..
so jan 8 elelctions if happens at all will not hold for longer than few months…
@imran malik
Oh one more thing. You said “i dont see bb and mush working together.” They have been working together for years, remember? As long as each gets their piece of the pie they will work something out I am sure. Even if they can’t, and all this leads to the 90′s then I say to h*ll with it…
@imran malik
Wish my comment about NS was not blocked. But did you not hear NS had a saudi visitor today ordering him to take part in elections? After that he also said if APDM decides not to boycott, he will take “bharpoor� part in the elections. No question any more about NS not boycotting.
so how can bb and mush sail through smoothly ..that also considering the fact that pervez elahi will also be breathing under her neck…he might be cm of punjab…this will be worse than 1988 scenerio and wouldnt work..
leading to 90s isnt that bad …atleast we will have political parties fighting with each other with no general in power…generals will act like refreee and thats fine…let the system run…and sooner or later we will see people like ik and aa emerging to top…
@imran malik
So are you saying the CJ issue is baseless and Muneer Malik is childish and IK is a f**l and everyone calling for restoration of judiciary needs to grow up?
again i dont care if there is bycott or not…let the 8th jan approach ..if at all elections happen it wouldnt make any diffrence..the govt emerging out of these elections would last long…..only secenerio is mush less…back to 90s….chahdharies and NS making out….sheeda talli begging to NS and making out……only issue bw ch and NS will be post of PM…since pervez elahi is also dreaming about it now…as soon they resolve that they will make a big JADOOO KI JEPHEE…..
no im not saying the judges issue is baseless im saying that 8th jan elections dont hold any ahmiet……
mush left ghq bc of lawyers movemetn…and all this change took place bc of them…NS and BB are there in pakistan bc of iftikhar ch and co……they will be resored next yeare as soon as mush resign …which will be next year im sure ….
Fiction and politics
A Campaign Against Martial Law event
The Campaign Against Martial Law invites you to a reading by Pakistani fiction writers and writers who are friends of Pakistan. The writers will be reading from their work, leading to a discussion on the intersection of literature and politics.
Friday 7th December
Venue: Room 3, South Range Building, King’s College, Strand Campus, University of London.
Timing: 7.00-9.00
Price of admission: £5
The current situation in Pakistan: Ghazi Salahuddin
Readings:
Moni Mohsin, Amarjit Chandan, Saqlain Imam, Kamila Shamsie, Zubaida Metlo, Mohammed Hanif, Aamer Hussein.
Questions and answers
@imran malik, nota , asif
Let me jump into discussion. Here is my assessment of the situation.
1. There is no quick fix for the question of judiciary. This is not going to be solved before january 8.
2. However the question is not going to go away because of the elections.
3. There will be two parallel activities going on in the next 10-12 weeks, first the elections (chances are BB, NS and others (some lawyers like AA) taking part in them.
4. Second a more vigorous movement of restoration of judiciary going on from mid of december. IK will have an important role in this movement.
5. Depending upon what happened in elections specially if government tries to give any unreasonable share (reasonable share means 5-10 seats) to PML-Q , there will be huge outcry of rigging in election.
6. I believe that it will be hard for the government to do a mass rigging in these elections. Hence PPP will be sure of getting majority. PML-N will have other big share.
7. At the end of the day Question of judiciary will become hot just after 8th of January whether elections are rigged or not.
8. What happens after 8th January I don’t know .
Dictator do have the life till 8th of January now .. *sigh*
PCO chief justice issues contempt of court notice to CCPO Lahore and chief secratery Punjab.. wow.. but wait reason.
For two days the civil society held vigil in front of Honorable Justice Shahid Siddiqui and the police did not stop them …
I wish somebody could blaken face of this PCO judge…
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(All lines with **** are sensored by myself , please put whatever you can think against this man).
I share with you an open letter sent by Salman Ahmed
of Junoon to Bilal Musharraf, son of General Pervaiz
Muhsarraf.
Dear Bilal,
Thanks for this shared e-mail. I’ve never publicly
responded to you but am compelled to do so now. I’ll
respond to the public part of your criticism of my
changed stance against your father’s policies.For the
record, my support for your father’s vision of
“enlightened moderation� was never based on any
personal expectations or “marketing� (rock musicians
dont usually like hanging out with military dictators)
My prior public support to your father’s govt. along
with that of the vast majority of Pakistanis was given
in the belief that he would deliver on his public
promises to fight extremism, respect civil
institutions,bring accountability to corrupt
politicians, open up a free and independent media and
reduce the immoral gap between Pakistan’s rich and
poor. The picture that you took of me with your dad
was taken in 2003,when I felt that the international
media was cynically and wrongly depicting Pakistan as
a total terrorist state being defended by “only� one
pro-western moderate Pakistani, your father. Although
i was ridiculed by many for doing so, but i chose to
put that picture on the Junoon website after the
assasination attempts on your father in December 2003.
The picture was meant to symbolise the majority
support of Pakistan’s civil society for the fight
against extremism and lawlessness. That picture and my
support for your father’s govt (WHICH YOU WOULD
VOUCH,I HAVE NEVER ABUSED FOR PERSONAL GAIN NOR HAVE
MY FAMILY OR FRIENDS) was never meant to be taken as a
blank check for the state machinery to run amok and
start dismantling civil institutions, making deals
with crooks and plunderers, treating civil servants
like common criminals, kidnapping and killing innocent
Pakistanis under the guise of the “war on terror� and
illegally spying, torturing and jailing thousands of
Pakistanis (which include national heroes, supreme
court judges, lawyers, rights activists, house wives
and students).
My recent op-ed in the Washington post and my public
disassociation with your father should not be a
surprise to you. I wrote many candid e-mails to you in
August and September of this year,sharing my concern
about your father’s policies and his govt’s high
handed tactics.You responded by saying I was being too
harsh to which I reminded you that true friends are
not meant to be mistaken for sycophants and cronies
but are a True barometer of the public’s
perceptions.You chose to ignore these warning e-mails
and dismissed them as “emotionalism�. Even when you
visited me while I was on tour in Canada in October,
you promised that there would be no reason to impose
emergency in Pakistan and you assured me that your
father respects the judiciary and has spoken to the
chief justice of the supreme court in this regard.
Alas, even that myth has now been totally shattered.
The supreme court judges are also citizens of Pakistan
who have courageously tried to stick to the letter and
the spirit of the law for which they are being
punished by your father’s govt. Why is this so?
All that I write above is not just my view but the
view of millions of Pakistanis and independent
observers. I’m not writing out of spite or revenge but
conveying the voice of Pakistan’s not so silent
majority. As an artist I have also publicly criticized
previous Pakistani rulers who like your dad made the
mistake of not respecting civil society or civil
institutions and I will continue to do so in the
future as well. Staying silent is no longer an option,
Art disturbs and artists have no choice but to listen
to their conscience.
“An unjust king asked a devotee what kind of worship is best. He replied, ‘For thee the best is to sleep one half of the day so as not to injure the people for a while.’” — Sa’di
@peja
having seen the related news on Aaj TV clip and the PCO judges remarks, i dont think the censored ****** marks in your note are long enough for anyone to put their remarks against such a ‘so called’ judge. This PCO judge particularly deserves the same as Mush – No less. and we all know what that is going to be!!
i dont know if i heard it right on Geo News that the same PCO CJ of Lahore High Court or the bench had asked that Honorable Justice SS will be liable to rent of Rs 65,000 pm rising to Rs 1,25,000 pm after 60 days if the house is not vacated…
this is making me really sick. and my hands are shaking of anger hearing this
@malek
I don’t know if this ba**** have any children. I wish his children could read this and could be ashamed of their father.
Some fathers are indeed a misfortune.
Revolution in Pakistan is always stopped by USA/West and establishment & elite class of Pakistan.
Lawyers movement of independant judiciary, fee media supported by civil rights activists and other like mindede classes is not being supported by pro-American elements in Pakistan including PPP/JUI etc. Free judiciary, free press and rule of law is not suites PPP/generals and Mullas of Pakistan.
Free judiciary and free media can lead to rule of law and pure democratic society in Pakistan how can PPP/Generals/Mullah and USA can allow this type of progress in our society???
Even Aitzaz Ahsan attitude is doubtfull as for as his old link with PPP is concerned??
In my view lawers movement and civil society has to work hard and to travel long long journey of struggle. May Allah help us to be recognised as civilized country/nation.
Link to previous comments on Emergency
Dor Giya Dor Giya
Musharraf Pakistan chor kay Dor Giya
Pics and videos of protests have made me fresh again. These protests have proved that our spirit is alive.
People who are clearly ‘moderate’ and ‘enlightened’ are struggling for the end of Mush’s regime.
If Bilal Musharraf’s son or Ayla Musharraf’s son were in Pakistan, today when they had returned from their school you know what they would have been saying ?
Musharraf Ku$$a haye haye
admn, when r u going to post geo programs like shahid masood and capital talk etc …
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/05-12-2007/col2.htm
Nazir Naji in pain…
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/05-12-2007/col3.htm
Whairey Aaie junj
tey wino kuri dey kun
Musharraf Ku$$a haye haye
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this is exactly the point I made earlier. Auybe Khan was reported that after listening this by his grand son he decided to quit.
Looking again the heat felt by Bilal musharaf and Salman ahmed email exchange, it is best not to leave Mush and his family alone. his brother, son, daughter have some social status in west and so we must send emails in their circles to force them to face social pressure.
His brother is a senior doctor so doctors association can use their influence to pressurize his brother and so on.
@ Ahmad Bhai
After 9 march, Ayaz Amir wrote about cousins of Musharraf in Lahore and informed us how they were getting protocol just because they were relatives as opposed to Chief Justice of Pakistan.
Search for his article in Dawn archives. That article contains their postal addresses. Maybe we could write a letter to Mush’s cousins too.
@Kami
If they had any sense of shame they would not be using the protocol provided to them now would they? I am sure they feel pride instead.
Here is the link to the Ayaz Amir column you are talking about.
“Tailpiece: At a time when in the reference filed against him Chief Justice Chaudhry is accused of demanding favours for his son and excessive “protocol” for himself, it may be of interest to note that two close relatives of the top guardian living in Lahore — Shehzad Alam, nephew, 12-E Model Town and Dr Nigar, cousin (khala ki beti), 130 M Extension — move around with police escorts and have a permanent police guard outside their residences. No fear of any reference against them.”
@ nota
thanks. maybe we should start writing these people. Some locals NGOs should arrange a peaceful protest in front of those residences!!
NO DECENT person/lawyer can support Musharraf and that is why PCO judges are of such a low quality. Malik Quyyom is a prime example.
Today I called a Sindh High Court Bar Member in Karachi. He was doing Bar at Lincolns Inn a couple of years ago. He was very sad. He said that he doesn’t know whether he should laugh or cry. Just a few examples of the CALIBRE of those incompetent people who have been made PCO judges:
1. Sindh Hight Court PCO CJ probably has fake degree. He is so incompetent that he doesn’t even know how to handle case files.
2. Another High Court PCO Justice Khawaja Naveed is so non serious that people memorise jokes instead of preparing cases for his court. A few examples of his attitude in cases:
i. In a rape case, in front of rape victim, Khawaja Naveed said: ‘Rape Ho Gaya? Meray Baghair?’
ii. In one case he said: ‘maximum punishment in this case is 5 years’ and since he is gonna be released after 5 years why not release him now. And he released the accused (probably money was involved).
iii. He is the only judge who calls lawyer: Me Lord & Sir (probably old habit of saying this to the rulers).
3. Another PCO high court judge is very restless (sorry forgot his name). He often shouts ‘Samajh Gaya’ And ‘Jaldi Karo’ and decides the case without hearing both parties. He assumes that he knows the facts and ignores protests of aggrieved parties.
Sooner Mush leaves us alone, better it is for the country and judiciary.
I think that the reason that BB is not pressing for the restoration of Judiciary is because Mush has convinced or conveyed to the US that he would be gone if CJP and all the other SC judges are reinstated and this is what the US does not want.
Forcible eviction of Justice Shahid Siddiqui expected at 2pm:
From Teeth maestro blog:
strong reports that J Shahid maybe evicted at 2 am by heavy force. Vigil ON. Call Law Minister – Afzal Haider 03008490999
http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2007/12/05/j-shahid-is-feared-to-be-evicted/
Fill plastic bags with urine and hurl them on Musharraf’s gestapo when they arrive to evict Justice Shahid.
@ahmed bhai
you are absolutely right and do any body knows who that grandson was!! He is the same guy who is now licking feet of mushi on daily basis Umar ayub khan. he mentioned that in one of the talk show some months ago.
@Kami
“iii. He is the only judge who calls lawyer: Me Lord & Sir (probably old habit of saying this to the rulers).”
Maybe he is trying to imitate Mushy who addresses all western reporters as “Sir”
Oh and you can add Sindh CJ Afzal Soomro to that list:
“The PCO CJ of Sindh High Court, Afzal Soomro, has serious health problems. He had suffered a nervous breakdown two years ago and since then has been seriously handicapped. It is quite well known fact that he just sits on the bench with another judge as a silent spectator. Matter of judicial incapacity was pending before the Supreme Judicial council. He was issued notice by the Council and CJP advised him to seek resignation and get pension, but before it could materialize the PCO debacle took place. It seems the Government has found an ideal candidate for the post of a rubber stamp CJ..” (link)
I think Imran is good man leading a mob. I dont support him.
I dont trust Atzaz Ahsin because he has not left PPP, even after BB’s courtship with Musharaf. I think he is not better than Pervaiz Elahi.
I dont trust Musharaf, of course, because he is symbol of Slavish Dehlvi culture of Hindustani Muhajirs.
I trust Kiani for the reason that he is Professional Cheif of my Armed Forces whom I love dearly ( I always support my troops).
I trust Nawaz Sharif.
I trust some Lawyers and some Judges, not all. (They are the most corrupt section of our society in my eyes, more than military.)
I wish that military stops following Musharaf/Bush/Iranian agenda in Pashtoon lands.
I want MMA to context elections.
I will always vote Right Wing.
I will vote MMA.
Nawaz Sharif is Center-Right.
Imran is Up-Right.
MMA is Deep-Right.
For now I will support MMA.
Speaking of slave mentality, I am going to post a letter to the editor and an article I had come across back in 1997 when the queen visited Pakistan. The contents were such a shock to me that I had saved them in my “My Documents” folder and read them from time to time.
I hope they don’t get stuck in “awaiting moderation” or you’ll have to come back later and read them.
(On second thought I am going to past the article on my blog as it is a bit long to go here)
Sacrifice is essential for democracy – Benazir
Wait for a few seconds for the real part to start.
Slave Mentality
Naveed Khan, San Jose, CA
I was totally appalled at the behavior of Pakistan’s intellectuals and leaders during the British queen’s visit to Pakistan. I find it personally demeaning and derogatory to read the speech delivered by the speaker of National assembly and the Senate Chairman at the joint parliamentary session to honor the queen.
“I had been Her Majesty’s loyal subject since I was quite old at the time of partition. I am still your royal subject.” — Engineer Illahi Bukhsh Soomro, Speaker of the National Assembly, Islamabad, October 8, 1997
“Your Majesty, you are very precious to us as you are our Queen and we will not have another one.” — Barrister Wasim Sajjad, Chairman, Senate.
With this slave mentality ingrained in the leadership, no wonder they are abandoning the cause of Kashmir. It is no surprise that they have little regard for the sovereignty of the nation since they handed over Mir Aimal Kansi to the USA authorities without the legal due process.
My question: Was it BB or NS ruling at the time?
Link to the article I talked about above:
Our Colonial Heritage
@ nota
good article. thanks for sharing it. However, I must say that it seems to me that the writer suffers from as much dislke of the British as those he criticises for suffering from its admiration. I think a more naunced attitude is required.
Just to note one point. If Ibn Khuldun was also talking about slave mentality, it seems to me that one cannot blame the British for our slave mentality. Of course, the British exploited and reinforced it but was there no slave mentality before that? Ibn Khuldun’s remark would suggest that even when Muslims were in power, they suffered from it. ANd i suggest, not just Muslims but all human societies suffer from it.
It would have been better if the writer had taken the response to the queen’s visit as an occassion to ask a deeper question as to why human beings have such mindset, what is wrong with it and how it can be changed.
From my readings of history it seems to me that slave mentality is a general human issue and not just a Pakistani or South Asian issue. In 1974, Milgram carried out a fascinating experiment – in the West – which showed how much people bow to authority: http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/psychology/milgram_obedience_experiment.html
It seems to me taht slave mentality is part of the evolutionary mechanism whereby in the animal kingdom there is only a relation of dominant and dominated. And for most of the history most humans continued with the same attitude. The fact that it pays – after all people became Speakers and what not – reinforces it. At any given time, only a few are able to break free from such an attitude. How? something to discuss. answers can be very useful for us in pkaistan today.
Tipu
@Tipu
Thanks for the input. Much appreciated!
Unrelated but worth following. This proves EACH AND EVERY NEWS STORY in EVERY NEWSPAPER, EVERY MAGAZINE and EVERY SINGLE INTEL REPORT about Iran and nukes OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS has been a LIE:
A Miracle: Honest Intel on Iran Nukes
The Life of Iranian President Ahmedinejad & Monthly Expenses
The Fox News TV (USA) asked the Iranian President Ahmedinejad;
“When you look into the mirror in the morning what do you say to yourself”?
He answered: I see the person in the mirror and tell him “Remember” you are no more than a small servant, ahead of you today is the heavy responsibility, and that is to serve the Iranian nation”.
Ahmedinejad, the Iranian President who astonished many when he first reached to the office of the Presidency by donating all the high valued Iranian carpets to one of the mosques in Tehran by replacing them with the low cost ordinary carpets. He observed that there was a huge extravagant lounge for receiving and welcoming the VIPs and he ordered it to be closed and asked the protocol office to arrange for an ordinary room only with the wooden chairs.
On many instances he joins the cleaning staff of the municipality for cleaning the streets in the area where his home and the Presidency are located.
Under his authority whenever he appoints any minister to his post he gets a signed document from him with many points, particularly highlighting that he shall remain poor and that his personal and his relatives accounts will be watched and the day he leaves the ministry shall be with dignity, and therefore it is not lawful for him or his relatives to take any advantage of his office. First of all he declared himself for all the “Big” wealth and the property he owned was a Peugeot 504 car, model 1977, an old small house inherited from his father 40-years ago in one of the poorest zones in Tehran. His accounts with a zero balance and the only money comes in to his a/c was from his salary from the university as a lecturer with an amount of US$ 250 only.
For your information the President still lives in that same house. This is all what he owns; the president of one of the world’s important countries; strategically, economically, politically and with regard to its oil and defense. He even doesn’t take his personal salary with the argument that all the wealth belongs to the nation and he is the safeguard over it.
One of the things that impressed the staff at the presidency is the bag the President brings with him every day, which contains his breakfast; some sandwiches or bread with olive oil and cheese prepared by his wife and eats and enjoys it with all happiness.
One of the other things he changed was his personal carrier “the President’s Aircraft” to a cargo aircraft in order to save the spending from the public treasury and he ordered that he will be flying with the ordinary airline in the economy class. He organizes meetings every now and then with all the ministers to know their activities and efficiency and he closed down the office of the Manager of the president and any minister can enter to his office without any permission. He also stopped the welcome ceremonies like the red carpet, the photo session or any personal advertisement or respect of any kind while visiting any place in the country.
Whenever he has to stay in any of the hotels he asks them to make sure not to give him a room with any big bed because he doesn’t like to sleep on beds but rather likes to sleep on the floor on a simple mattress with a blanket.
Refer to some of the photographs which also confirm the above. The Iranian president is sleeping in the guest room of his house after getting away from his special guards who follow him wherever he goes and photo is taken by his small brother according to the Wifaq Newspaper which published this photo and the next day the photo was published in most of the world’s newspapers and magazines and particularly the Americans. During the prayer you can see that he is not sitting in the first row. And the final photo is of his dining room where the president is busy eating his simple meal.
Salary & Govt. concessions for a Member of NATIONAL ASSEMBLY (MNA):
Monthly Salary: Rs.120,000 to 200,000
Expense for Constitution per month: Rs.100,000
Office expenditure per month: Rs.140,000
Traveling concession (Rs.8 per km): Rs.48,000 (For a visit to Islamabad & return: 6000 km)
Daily BETA during Assembly meets: Rs.500
Charges for 1 class (A/C) in train: Free (For any number of times & All Over PAKISTAN )
Charges for Business Class in flights: Free for 40 trips / year (With wife or P.A.)
Rent for Govt. hostel any where: Free Electricity costs at home:
Free up to 50,000 units
Local phone call charges: Free up to 170,000 calls.
TOTAL expense for a MNA per year: Rs. 32,000,000 (approx.)
TOTAL expense for 5 years: Rs.160,000,000
As such for 534 MNAs, the expense for 5 years comes to Rs.85,440,000,000 (about 9000 crores).
Think of the Great Democracy we have & Great Politicians we are……….
PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO ALL CITIZENS OF PAKISTAN……Before Elections 2008 so that everybody can act or react.
On the topic of PCO judges , a lawyer in a talk show mentioned that most of these PCO judges even does not know how to write a verdict. They need two people to write a verdict , there calibre and standing in profession of law is abysmally low.
Since no person with even a little personal integrity was available to the mad dictator for becoming a superior judge , the people like Khawaja Naveed and others were appointed in a hurry. In legal circles it is being considered as a very very grave situation in pakistan’s legal history as these newly appointed PCO judges might keep working for decade to come (some of them are very junior and their retirement age it too far).
Apart from the principled stand by lawyers of not appearing before the PCO judges there is another big problem as most of the senior lawyer do feel insulted appearing before these clowns.
That is why I believe that only solution for the current impasse will be restoration of original judges and firing of these new PCO judges since they have not taken oath under the constitution therefore as soon as PCO is gone they will be no more PCO judges.
Breaking News:
State trying to evict Justice Shahid Siddiqui’s from his house.
Please note that Honorable Justice Shahid Siddiqui is seriously ill and he is perhaps still in hospital.
Shame on you Musharraf. Shame on the state machinery.
If any of the readers would like to show them support by either sending flowers, letters or financial support to the Sindh High Court Honourable Judges then their contact details can be obtained from the PakVoices website
http://pakvoices.net/hall-of-fame/
Courtesy: TeethMaestro
what a shame
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=84360
…Now we have US human rights activists holding vigils outside Aitzaz Ahsan’s home — as if Pakistani protestors vigils were not as effective. What an insult to our civil society. Do we really need US crutches? Given that the US has its own human rights abuses’ issue, would it not be more suitable for the Code Pink reps to be outside Guantanamo Bay right now since we can look after our own — and we should…
~~~~~~~~~~~BREAKING NEWS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
AITZAZ AHSAN HAS SAID THAT BY THE END OF MONTH HE WILLSTART COUNTRY WIDE MOVEMENT FOR THE FREEDOM O JUDICIARY.
SOURCE
JANG NEWS
I dont agree with shireen mizari on above and would consider this as source of media publicity which is badly needed for creating awareness especially when local media is ban. So it does not matter who comes to help us albeit within limits
a good analysis by Ansar Abbassi on position of PPP and NS on restoration of judges and the impact of election boycott on restoration issue…. particularly the last para….
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=11544
per my earlier email the last para of AA’s article
‘Those supporting the boycott option are considered “hawksâ€? in both the parties. The PPP leaders agree that the APDM’s boycott would benefit the PML-Q and hurt the PPP whereas the pro-polls elements in the PML-N argue that in case of APDM’s boycott, the PML-Q and the PPP would easily get 2/3rd majority required to indemnify the November 3 unconstitutional actions of Musharraf and would thus block the return of the deposed judges forever. PML-N doves argue that going into the elections by the APDM would mean a hung parliament, which would not be in a position to validate Musharraf’s amendments’
@ahmed bhai
At first I thought these are your comments “Now we have US human rights activists …” and I was little bit surprised.
Please note Shereen Mazari is one of those so-called intellectuals whose only job is to create confusion in the country and behind the mask if intellectualism they support the agressive regimes in Pakistan.
After raeding Ansar Abbasi’s article, I am not sure that NS should boycott elections if PPP is not going to do so. Any thoughts?
Tipu
@Tipu
that would mean 2/3rd majority between PPP and Q League…what that means
1- Mush will stay
2- Judges will not be restored
certainly no one wants this?
Aietzaz anounced his planning ti run the lawyers movement. He has written a letter in which he recommended the lawyers to run the movement according to 3 points.
1. If all political parties boycott elections 2008 than lawyers will also not support elections.
2. If political parties decide to participate in elections than lawyers will support only those politicians who will take oath in bar councils that they will play their part in restoration of Judiciary.
3. If political parties participate and nobody take oath for Judiciary restoration than by the end of January, he will launch a Judiciary bus which will travel all across Pakistan, with all those judges who refused to take oath under PCO.
Source:GEO News
Infact NS is now again in better position if keep standing wtih judiciary restoration demand. If BB does not agree to judiciary restoration, He would be able to say that its BB and not him and so he (NS) is boycotting.
This will make BBs position further weak and in light of rig elections, blame can be easily put on her defeat (or low seats) that it was due to her non judiciary support.
Why she will loose further because civil society which normally supports liberalism and to the extend BB, are really fed up with BB’s hypocritical politics and BB is feeling heat now.
So again good game by NS and he needs to stick with his demands.
All NS needs is one big rally which is announced to support judiciary – and thats it. civil society is just waiting for one such call
yes pejamistri I agree. these so called intellectuals also need to be exposed side by side.
I think both PPP and PML(n) will not boycott the elections.Because as far as BB is concerned she will never boycott the elections.Because what she demanded from mush has already been accepted i.e removing uniform and lifting of emergency which will be lifted on 16th.So I think she will definitely go for the elections.Bcoz restoration of judges is not her priority.
And NS will definitely follow her bcoz she will convince him to participate so that the votes in punjab should be divided b/w pml N and pml Q and ppp will get advantage from that.
But I hope NS not to compromise on his demand of restoration of judges bcoz the survival of country depends all on the restoration of judiciary.
so we come back to street power…
perhaps NS can combine force with Aitzaz’s drive. They can join on this one point – restoration of judiciary.
The choice does seem to be very very difficult.
I also wonder about another point.
How come there were hundreds of thousands who came on the streets to support the CJ in March but no one came out this time when he was sacked again and he openly made calls for street protests? What motivated people then and why was taht not the case now?
Tipu
My understanding is that free riders will not come under martial law and unless there is clear call and leadership involved, street protest is not going to work. scores of people can gather, may be peacefully, but thats it. voice is raised and heard but ignored.
I am sure even if AH was out and had made call, we would have seen another episode of March.
dont you notice any considerable name making call out? this is the irony and thats why civil society is bursting on political leaders.
URGENT: Get well soon for Honourable Justice Shahid Siddiqui:
Please send notes, flowers to show your continued support for him in this ordeal. For those outside the city or country, you can e-mail your letter of support to concernedpakistan@gmail.com – we will make sure the letter reaches him.
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Please do send him message of gratitude.
I sent following note to Honourable Justice Shahid Siddiqui. I am not good in English writing everybody is welcome to improve it
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Dear Honorable Sir,
First of all I and my family (my three little sons and my wife) are praying to Allah for your well being and early recovery. May Allah give you health and give you long life to provide us justice.
Dear Sir,
I am short of words to express my heart felt gratitude for giving us and our coming generations a ray of hope for a better future. I salute your courage and determination to provide justice to people of Pakistan.
My six years old son used to ask me how come the heros are only in tv programs and I had to tell him the stories of Quaid-e-Azam and other great personalities. But he always asked me why he can not meet those heros. Now every night I tell him stories of real life heros who live in Pakistan. I tell him how these heros sacrificed their career , their future for the future of Pakistan. Incidently my son was born in U.S. now he asks me to go to Pakistan as he wants to meet you.
Sir, let me salute you and tell you that you are held in highest esteem not only myself and my family but you will always be held in highest esteem in my generations to come. I am sure my son and then his son/daughter will always remember you as their hero. You are pride of this nation.
I am sure that you will be back in “My Lord’s” chair and will be dispensing justice to the common people of Pakistan who adore you from the bottom of their heart.
Please forgive me for my poor writing , I don’t have words that can truly express my feelings.
Sincerely Yours
@Kami there was news about PCO CJ Sindh High Court that he had mental health problem and had been advised by Supreme Court to take voluntary retirement otherwise there was going to be an inquiry against him and he might have to be dismissed.
Such is the calibre of these PCO judges.
Well let me just say both these leaders, NS and BB, really have no faith in their own leadership or party. They don’t believe they can bring out their followers to the street in numbers. 20, 30 thousand would be plenty. Just do it in any one city. Do that for a week and I bet you not only would the numbers increase, their effect will multiply. All that is needed is a clear call by either of them.
Can they do it? Without a doubt. Will they do it? No a chance! What a shame.
i have sent my message to concernedpakistan@gmail.com as per peja’s note above in support of Justice Shahid Siddiqui.
Can everyone do this and post here that they have done so?…..this will build the momentum?…… we should aim for at least 1000 messages today?
Peja can you please clarify how you will get these to Justice Sahib so people are re-assured that their message will get there?
Its a time do do something practical….living overseas that’s the least we can do…. posting our grieveances and opinions on this site is not adequate!
nota:
can it happen other way around? I mean when there is political/ pre-election rally by either BB/NS, it turns into judiciary restoration demand by public/ supporters/ people and force leadership to say unambiguously
@Chussain @nota
i believe all judges who took oath under PCO are mentally retarded, clinically and spiritually…. not just the one you mentioned
Apologies for not quoting the reference. Here is the update about Honourable Justice Shahid Siddiqui
http://www.teeth.com.pk/blog/2007/12/05/update-1511-justice-siddiqui-suffers-an-episode-of-angina-has-been-hospitalized/
Late last night/early this morning, the police did, in fact come to Justice Siddiqui’s house in Lahore and removed the barricades (i.e. chairs, bedding etc. placed by the protesters) in preparation of the eviction. Justice Siddiqui suffered an angina episode and was admitted at the Punjab Institute of Cardiology.
Please send notes, flowers to show your continued support for him in this ordeal. For those outside the city or country, you can e-mail your letter of support to concernedpakistan@gmail.com – we will make sure the letter reaches him.
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I trust these people to send our notes to Honourable Justice.
I called Honourable Justice Sabihuddin on his number +92215847582 , I am so much excited I talke to him directly. He was so kind to speak to me. He told me we can send flowers to him on his address
Bungalow No. 44/II, 13th Street
Off Khayaban-e-Mujahid
Behind Khadda Market (Deltons)
Phase V
DHA
Karachi
Phone: 5847582
Please note flowers can be sent via following
http://www.sentimentsexpress.com/
http://www.emarkaz.com/shop/store/gifts_to_pakistan.php
@Ahmed Bhai
“can it happen other way around? I mean when there is political/ pre-election rally by either BB/NS, it turns into judiciary restoration demand by public/ supporters/ people and force leadership to say unambiguously”
I wish but I doubt it…Certainly if the rally was at a particular place like a university or bar association. But at a purely political one? I don’t think so. What upsets me is the fact that even NS is not being “unambiguous.” He can make a big difference — and gain a lot of support — if he just takes a firm stand on it. But all people are getting are mixed messages like todys’s front page story “PML-N Finalizes Candidates”
AN OPEN LETTER TO BENAZIR BHUTTO FROM GHAZALA MINALLAH
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Ms BHUTTO, A FREE JUDICIARY BUT DETAINED JUDGES???
Dear Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto,
I was absolutely shocked and amazed at your latest statement regarding the judiciary. How could you, of all people, say that you believed in an independent judiciary BUT that personalities did not matter? If personalities did not matter then why was Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry removed? Why were some judges locked up whereas others were not? If personalities did not matter then why is Musharraf waging a personal war against the CJ? You do not have to be a genius to figure out the reason. How can you separate the personalities from the institution? What you have on Constitution Avenue right now is a besieged and helpless building. The unfortunate but harsh truth is that right now we are a besieged nation as well.
Ms. Bhutto, I am writing to you because your statement has shocked and disturbed me to the extent that I feel I have no option but to reach out to you in this manner. I would like to remind you, since you seem to have forgotten, that you too were the victim of a corrupt judiciary. If Justice Iftikhar had been the CJ of the Supreme Court at that time then perhaps your father would never have been hanged. Had the entire bench been like the present one then there would have been a unanimous judgment. But the judgment was not unanimous – it was a 4 to 3 split – just one judge too many on the wrong side. One more upright personality on the right side and our history would have been different. So yes, personalities certainly do matter.
Ms. Bhutto, I am writing to you in desperation because I am the daughter of Late Justice Safdar Shah, who was one of the three dissenting judges. When Mr., Bhutto was the Prime Minister my father was CJ of the Peshawar High Court. Both these headstrong personalities did not get on with each other, and because of Safdar Shah’s constant criticism and disagreement regarding the reforms and policies being introduced by the PM, the latter had him prematurely retired by introducing the 5th Amendment. After the coup, when Gen. Zia took over, and Mr. Bhutto was charged and convicted of Conspiracy to murder by the Lahore High Court, he appealed to the Supreme Court. Gen. Zia wanted Mr. Bhutto dead and he did his best to manipulate the bench. It soon became obvious as to WHY Safdar Shah had recently been appointed as judge of the Supreme Court . Having the typical mind-set of a dictator, Zia was sure that he would be vindictive and take revenge. But, he was wrong and the rest is history. WHY? Because three of the judges had the courage to say NO, and did not give in to the threats and pressure exerted on them. So yes Ms Bhutto, personalities do matter. Had Justice (retd) Wajiuddin’s father , the late Hon. Waheeduddin not been prematurely retired on extremely dubious medical grounds , history could have been different, No one can dispute the fact that the judgment was wrong since Justice (retd) Nasim Hassan Shah confessed on a talk show on TV a few years ago that the judges were threatened and pressurized into giving that judgment. Yes Ms. Bhutto, they were, and I am a witness to that fact. Ms. Bhutto, our paths crossed briefly and both of us were victims of a corrupt judiciary which colluded with a Military Dictator. But I am not writing this letter to lament about our plight, since nothing we went through can possibly compare to the torture and torment you and your family went through .Have you forgotten the times when you visited your father in prison? Have you forgotten the humiliating tactics those heartless tyrants subjected you and your family to? Have you forgotten the last time you went to visit him in prison and were not able to hug him? Whenever I think about that grave injustice, which was nothing but a judicial murder, my heart goes out to you and what you suffered then and have suffered since. That is precisely why I am at my wits end and cannot understand WHY you cannot value the importance of independent judges.
Ms. Bhutto, do you think you are invincible? Are you so blinded that you cannot or will not acknowledge the truth? Does it never occur to you that some day you might have to face those judges in the present Supreme Court.? Well let me please spell it out. With independent judges you get a verdict you deserve, whereas with the present kind of farce you get a judgment dictated by the intelligence agencies or the dictator himself. Do you honestly not know or are you honestly not aware of the grave injustice going on? Does it not send a chill up your spine that if the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court can be tossed around by Musharraf it could very well be you as well ?For God’s sake Ms. Bhutto , WAKE UP .You owe it to your father as well as to the nation to defend the judiciary and fight for its independence.
My father continued to be persecuted even after the judgment and we were forced to leave the country. But I will never forgive or forget those responsible for the torment my father went through during his last years. He died an unhappy man and was never able to get over the fact that he was not able to prevent the cold-blooded murder of an innocent man. And that innocent person was your father for God’s sake! I have vowed that I will continue to fight for the independence of the judiciary come what may! I was confident and certain that once you were back you would definitely take up this battle and lead the nation towards sanity.
Ms. Bhutto, is it not obvious to you WHY Musharraf wants Justice Iftikhar out of the way? Ask the families of the ‘missing persons’, who for the first time were being heard and for the first time they could see a light at the end of the tunnel. Everyone knows who is responsible but no one before this CJ had the courage to take up the matter. Ask the countless downtrodden people who had discovered that they could have direct access to the CJ through Suo Moto notices. Ask 2 and 3 yr old Aneela and Tasleem from
Naudero Feroze in Sindh , ask 4 yr old Shaneela or 6yr old Munni or 8 yr old Marina from Mardan what this Chief Justice has done for them. These innocent little girls were the victims of jirga decisions according to which they were to be handed over to the enemy as a symbol of truce .
It was Justice Iftikhar who took serious notice of this barbaric custom and passed strict orders to the local authorities to prevent this atrocity from carrying on. It was during the tenure of this CJ that serious environmental disasters were averted. Who took notice of the New Muree Project? Who took action in the Dungi ground case? Who prevented Shah Sharabeel from converting a public park in sector F-7 Islamabad into a multi-million commercial project? Ask the poor people living in the adjacent Christian colony what that decision meant to them. Sharabeel has taken up arms against the CJ since this decision because for that class of people the slum dwellers are a low life who do not deserve any special attention. I can go on and on about the cases in which the SILENT CRIES OF THE DOWNTRODDEN of our society were being heard by a sympathetic judge for the first time.
Ms. Bhutto, these are the Suo Moto notices which Musharraf said were a waste of time in his speech justifying the emergency. If personalities did not matter then why is Musharraf so
threatened by this man? On any and every occasion he gets he attacks and tries to malign the CJ with a vengeance. His abnormal hatred for the man has exposed the truth. He knows very well that this man was the biggest hurdle in his plans to destroy what is left of our country. The coup was against the judiciary, the ‘emergency’ was created to sack the CJ and the other conscientious judges. Musharraf needs to be told that we are not a nation of imbeciles and that everyone is aware of the truth and the depth of the situation. We all know that the ‘crisis’ in Swat or the
threat of terrorism had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the sacking of the CJ and the locking up of him and the other judges.
Once again Ms Bhutto, I beg you to think very carefully about where you are heading. I beg you not to betray your father or the nation. I beg you not to fall into Musharraf’s trap and to boycott the elections. The rigging has already taken place, so why are you allowing yourself to become a party to this farce? I beg you to realize that you are the one holding the trump card right now. If you boycott the election, THEY lose face. But if YOU participate, you not only lose face, you lose the confidence and the faith the people of Pakistan have in you. Last but not least, you owe it to Bilawal, Bakhtawar, Aseefa and all future generations of our beloved country.
Yours sincerely,
Ghazala Minallah
D/O Late Justice Safdar Shah
We should have no doubt, if the elections are held & all parties participate except IK, the first thing the new parliamentarians will do is 18th amendment. One should have no doubt about that. period.
@Asif
I fully agree with you. But what would 18th amendment have – no one can say?
Just wait and see – if you look back had you ever imagined on 8 March what was in store for all of us. We couldnt have imagined it in our wildest imaginations.
So leave it to Allah and He is going to change things for good. I am hundred percent sure.
BREAKING NEWS
AH,Kurd, Justice Tariq to be released in 72 hours
Yesterday I said from my optimism and reading news of US human rights activists.. that this will now happen very soon.
at least hope now?
I speak to Syed Afzal Haider on 03008490999 regarding vacation of Judges from their Houses. He says, he has oath according to the constitution not PCO, then I put the question then why you follow the orders of judges who taken oath according to PCO? He did not commented on it.
Another thing I highlighted was support of activities by Syed Afzal Haider and Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada. I told him Hazrat Ali
was a judge and u pple at least remeber that your blood is from some one who was judge.
Your activities has bring bad names to the family of Syeds.
@Asif
Great crimes have been committed and the slaughter of Judiciary is but one of the many. Funny thing is no one is even aware of them. People don’t realize is most of your national assets have been “sold” at penny to the dollar. “Foreign investment” is a scam — no money is coming in. Your land is being “leased” out to corporations. Your banks are not yours any more. Even your roads are pledged to thieves.
Sadly, I agree
Should I go on?
@Syed Mansoor Shah
Syeds? Pirzada and Haider? What a disgr*ce!!!
What is going on in Pakistan at the moment is not going to affect the current election, but the most worrisome thing for the US think tank is to stop this movement of freedom a among the lawyers and civil society, because this could create lot more problems for the US strategy in future. They dont want to see Pakistan as a free society just like India or other nations. They knows the potential of Pakistani people at individual level. For the last 60 years, they are successful in keeping us divid in the form of corrupt Nawaz Sharif or BB. This can hurt the army as well.
For them they will do anything to stop this freedom movement even if they have to take out Musharaf ( if they see this is going to become a dangrous for future!!)
My 2 cents!!
How reporting tilts the balance in one way or other? But the things become irritating when the video & commentry mismatch.Heres an example from yesterdays protest.
Video footage: students, civil society & Tehreek-i-Insaaf people with posters & flags & shouting slogans were clearly visible.
AAJ TV News: students, civil society & Tehreek-i-Insaaf people protested.
Geo News: students, civil society protested.
This s!te: Lawyers, NGOs, Human Rights workers, journalists and members of civil society also joined in to show their support to the students. With one Pic showing police lathi charge with one angle.
So AAJ TV no mistmatch between the footage & report. Geo TV a mismatch between the footage & report ignoring Tehreek-i-Insaaf from the commentry. This s!te, no mismatch between the pic & comments, but entirely ignored Thereek-i-Insaaf people in both pic & comments.
Its just how it goes. Any comments would be more than apperciative.
@chussain
I hope you would be right.
@sohail
you are right. No one can control an independent civil society. So to control one would have resist every move towards this independence.
@Pejamistri. If we join hands we can do something for Justice Siddiqui!
Following is the message that I have sent for Hon Justice Shahid Siddiqui
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My Lord Honourable Justice Mr. Justice Shahid Siddiqui, As Salam O Aleukum,
My Lord I along with scores of concerned Pakistanis abroad want to extend our deep gratitude for what you have gone through for us. I also send my warm wishes and pray to Allah you get well soon. You, My Lord with your brother judges have shown that Pakistan will still exist as a country. Your courage, determination and struggle has now become part of history and whenever a rightful government is restored our children and generations to come will see you as beacons of light. Yazid after killing Imam Hussain and bringing the grand daughters of the Prophet (SAW) into the bazars was happy that he has completed the task of his forefathers i.e. degradation of Islam and the Prophet. Today Yazid has been annihilated and Hussain is alive. A principled stand My Lord has placed you on the side of Imam Hussain and against Yazid-e Asr. Not a bad place to be!
Needless to say My Lord, your wish is my command. Please do command me to do something for you or your family at this time whilst you have a long struggle ahead of you.
Yours Sincerely
Sibte
Muahrraf Kutt@
I have just talked to Afzal Haider on his mobile. He was travelling to Lahore. He has assured that he will talk to the CM Punjab and the CJ Lahore High Court,. He was of the view that the orders of vacation of houses have been passed by the CJ lahore High Court. Rememebr the CJ Lahore is vehemently gaianst the CJ Iftikahr Ch. It is him behind it. Afzal Haider promised to help!
@Shaz
@Nota
Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada
Syed Pervez Musharraf
Syed Afzal Haider
Syed Abdur Hafeez Pirzada
- do i want me to go and on
sorry read as – do you want me to go on and on
Breaking News:
Nawaz Sharif announces visit to Honourable Chief Justice tomorrow.
Another news
Pervez Musharraf through his office has advised teh Cabinet division to advise all teh office and also the media that his name should be written as President Pervez Musharraf and it should NOT INCLUDE General (Retd) with his name.
Looks like he now hates his former skin very much.
I am amazed because I know that in my village even if one was Havaldar in Army he would proudly write Havaldar with his name even after retirement.
This is perhaps the first retired general who does not want retired with his name.
Yar ye waqt bhi ana tha – Allah ki kia kudrat hai.
Musharraf would have been better advised if he had got the following addition to his anme
President (illegal) Pervez Musharraf
test -getting moderated
Peja,
Police have already started raiding lawyers’ homes and offices. (source Aaj)
They are scared as a large crowd is expected at Marriot at 1pm to march towards judges colony with NS.
@Peja
You know what – when yesterday police tried to come to evict Justice Siddiqui – three great ladies – Asma Jehagir, Bushra Aitzaz and wife of Justice Iqbal (son of Allama Iqbal) came there and the police had to withdraw – such are our brave women –
Shame on those men – who are sitting at home and not moving out and saying what is right is right and are afraid of Musharraf and police
They should wear bangles and sit at home.
@Shaz
Our leaders should be sent to Iran to spent some time with Great President AhmadNijad to learn as to how to be the humbel servant of their contituencies in Pakistan. We sure need leadrs like him in Pakistan.
On the Contrary; Mush is going to buy a very expencive Plane for his personal use from the tax payers money.
@chussain
I agree with you. Women are taking the lead.
Unless we show courage the struggle will be longer. I feel myself sorry to be out of Pakistan, but sometimes I think what if I were there and had not come out I would have felt so ashamed of myself.
I spoke to Honorable Justice Sabihuddin and am feeling so proud today to speak to a real life hero.
My Allah bless him.
@Kruman
Justice Rana Bhagwan Das said on BBC that once the leaders of lawyers are released or a new leadership emerges from the available lawyers movement will gain momentum and will be successful.
I was watching a report on Dawn news about demolition of Kachi Abadis in Karachi. There are 6 million people who are being displaced WITHOUT ANY COMPENSATION.
Some have been there for more than 15 years and there are laws that protect them but City Nazim Mustafa Kamal government only gives them 2 HOURS NOTICE.
Only reason I could think is that they are not Mohajirs and not MQM voters. Even City Nazim refused to comment on Dawn News report. Obviously he cannot defend such inhuman and illegal acts.
http://live.pakfiles.net/dawnnews/
Ramday’s wish to come true
During CJP’s case Justice Ramday had asked Aitzaz to get a bus driving permit. His wish is about to come true. AItzaz has announced a country-wide tour on a bus for all non-PCO judges if the judges are not restored by end of January.
That is good news Peja.
Mush is not that powerful now. He can’t even get a judge’s house evicted. Soon Musharraf will be evicted from Pakistan.
Muk gaya tera show
Go Musharraf Go
Musharraf Kut$a
25 leading lawyers detained before NS’s march towards judges colony. (aaj TV)
IK on Dawn TV right now.
The guy interviewing IK is an a**h*le…
To be practical, I think he is doing his job.
According to the above mentioned A@@H@LE we should be glad we don’t have dictatorship any more. What a d*ckhead!
(Pardon my French but I can’t help it at times like these)
@jojo
Give me a break. He is spewing sh*t and I don’t think he’s a janit*r.
@jojo
Last statement by that HUMONGOUS A**SHOLE was “Spoken like a true politician – no definite answer!” which was totally not true and handled nicely by IK. Was that doing his job as well?
And did you not notice on previous such statements he went to commercial immediately?
there r blakc sheeps in journalists also…
and one of the very old one is NAZIR NAJI…
SHAME ON HIM FOR INDIRECTLY SUPPORTING MUSH KUTT@ AND HIS BELOVED PERVEZ ELAHI …..
He is certainly on payroll of mush and punjab ex cm….he is an agent…i really hate him….
@chussain
“Syed Sharifuddin Pirzada
Syed Pervez Musharraf
Syed Afzal Haider
Syed Abdur Hafeez Pirzada
- do you want me to go and on”
No, please stop — but not till after Mushahid Hussain Sayed
I just got back from work and saw the last bit of news on Geo …..amazing scenes of student protests in islamabad and lahore (I believe one outside Justice SS house).
The scenes were really moving and reminded me of the lawyers movement..under police brutality….
highlight: while police was batton charging male students, a young student girl leapt from the crowd ….. and held the police batons back…this forced police to back-track! (I am not joking these were amazing scenes)
all of them seem so energetic and forcefull – i suppose their ‘imaan’ is very strong…..Its definetley worth watching
@Admin
Can you please download that bit of news?
@imran malik
NAZIR NAJI has ALWAYS been on the payroll of the one in power. He probably is the person for whom the term “media wh*re” was coined
@Admin
my comment await moderat@n? can you please release these. Ref: student protests in isl and lhr reported on Geo news – amzing scenes
Can you please download that bit of news from Geo?
they are very moving and worth watching
@nota
i wish nazir naji visit this website and get an idea that how much people hate him…
@imran malik
Don’t think that will bother that thick-skinned rept*le one bit….
my comments are awaiting ‘to be made ‘modern’
but i have seen amazing scenes of students rallies in lahore and islamabad on Geo News channel….
reminds me of lawyers movement and police high handedness…yet the students came out winner…. they f@ght back!!!
@Admin
can you please download that bit of news?
http://www.ibitians.com/2007/12/05/ruswai-ki-dhamak/
PLZ READ THIS ARTICLE OF SOHAIL TARIQ…THIS GUY IS HILLARIOUS…READ WHAT HE SAID AB SHERARFGE AND SH RASHEED..
@Kami (and @dmin),
I am posting Kami’s comments on the caliber of PCO judges on my blog, with your permission. If you object to that please let me know at dem.freedom@gmail.com
Posted:
http://free-pakistan.blogspot.com/2007/12/caliber-of-pco-judges-appointed-by.html
WHERE IS GR8 DR SHAHID MASOOD THESE DAYS….
ANY CHANCE OF HIM DOING A PRORRAMME IN NEAR FUTURE ……
ANY BODY???
@Syed Mansoor Shah
Your Syed Afzal Haider is a lying b*tch. Just hearted him on PTV saying no judges were fired under the PCO but they ceased to be Judges under the Judges Ordinance 2007 (don’t remember the exact name) as no oath was offered to them anyways under that ordinance. So according to him, the decision given by them against the PCO was not valid as they had ceased to be judges BEFORE the PCO was issued.
You going to ring the b*stard up again? If you do, don’t buy a thing he is saying
Dr. Danish live on TVONE in Jumptv
Guys pic on this page – this is teh picture which would be remembered for years to come and the girl in this pic has made history
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=FRONT_PAGE&Date=20071205&Pageno=1&View=1
reminds me of that boy who stood in front of Tank in China in 1988 uprising in Iainemen Square
ab tu Musharraf lovers kuch sharm karo – aur kitnay begharait banhay raho gay tum log
@Admin
any chance of showing clips of Geo News at around 5.40pm UK time – student rallies in islamabad and lahore?
as per my earlier message highlight was: while police was baton charging students, a young student girl leapt from the crowd…. and held the police batons back with her bare hands….this forced police to back-track! (I am not joking these were amazing scenes)
@clhussain
Thanks for sharing this link. This image of the young girl holding back the police is a defining moment and should be shown directly in your post for all to see.
@admin: can you help out here. For those of us who are technically challenged, can we send you images that you can upload.
is there a recorded version of IK dawn tv interview?i missed it
Excellent Poetry
http://bp0.blogger.com/_JtRP5wIdjrs/R1cK7uC9ItI/AAAAAAAAAPE/KOR7kqUPfKc/s1600-h/abhi+na+rukna.gif
http://www.ibitians.com/2007/12/05/maturity/
i dont understand y this guy javed ch flip flop so much…is he one of those journalists who are on govt’s payroll…
HE is distorting the history …or he doesnt have the corrent information about the events transpired in 60s and 70s….
for your kind information both ayub and yahya gave resignation on army pressure …and as far as mush is concerned he is the biggest devil of them all..his atrocities are responsible for his exit from ghq….he didnt have any choice left ….today army is the most hated institution bc of mush….army shld have kicked this monster out long ago..they delayed the inevitable…
@imran malik
Establishment (Army) employs different people for different tasks. But the objective is always same. Read his last paragraph and you will understand what he is writing and for whom he is writing. Few journalist you will find as if they are writing for the people , but it is part of their job to show people as if they stand with them and then sow the seeds of doubt , uncertainity and hatred.
The hatred against politician is basically hatred against civillians. That is why Generals will always call civilians as “bloody civillians” and “bloody politicians”.
And most unfortunate thing is that they speak against the same politicians who always saved this army from disaster. In 1971 Bhutto brought back 90,000 of PoW, most of them senior military officers. It was only he who did not decide to court martial all of those officers and I will never forgive him for that.
Then in Kargil it was Nawaz Sharif who saved them from a total disaster , it was his meeting with Clinton on 4th of July which saved this army from another humiliating defeat with thousands of PoW. It is a well known fact that they were even not bringing the shaheed back from Kargil.
And still these people show their hatred against politicians.
@nabeel
I agree with the comment to this article that the author must be based on Mars. He has little to do with the realities on earth.
He is trying to confuse people and nothing else. I think he is a true M&u&s&h L&o&v&e&r and wants to create a maximum doubt about his acts.
I would just call it cheap publicity.
@PEJA
EXACTLY RIGHT..
JAVED CH IS SEEMS TO BE ANOTHER GUY ON A MISSION ,,HE SEEMS TO HAVE JIONED THE BANDWAGON OF NAZIR NAJI(PALTOO OF CH PERVEZ AND MUSH) AND CO…
I do hope that in twenty first century there is a great probability of some generals in army realizing that army is not bigger than the nation. It is quite possible that for once we get some generals who are truly sincere to the nation and decide to wash away sins of their elders. Just like we found 50+ honest souls (and see they were majority of all the judges) , who finally said enough is enough , no more “doctrine of necessity” only “rule of law”.
Again there is no harm in having a wishful thinking … but the struggle goes on and on….
modify it, make addition, twist it, give it time, practice it with whole heart and soul, then again rectify it, purify it, make check and balaneces add more check and balances, keep repeating it till centuries but still it will be dependant upon human Conscience, which is a rarity in Pakistan……..i find common person in west a very good human being than “muslims” in Pakistan because he obeys law either out of fear or of his conscience…… You are amlan munafiq if u say u r muslim and dont offer prayers practise Islam. This has been revealed in First ayaat of suraah Bakra. A good muslim will always have alive conscience.
Spoke to my lawyer friend in Lahore who went to a meeting held by Shahbaz Sharif for lawyers. My friend had a chance to speak to Shahbaz in private and he says that SS told him that PML N will never settle on less than free judiciary. My friend claimed that SS said that his party would even risk fighting elections that are fraud & lose but NOT WITHOUT old judiciary.
I hope that PML N stays true to the word, up till now they have. Hum Sab Umeed Say Hein.
Kami,
Thanks for the update.
Here’s Aitzaz Ahsan’s letter to lawyers across Pakistan, written while in detention.
Read his letter carefully. It makes sense, especially his stance on elections.
http://free-pakistan.blogspot.com/2007/12/aitzaz-ahsan-addresses-legal-fraternity.html
http://nation.com.pk/daily/dec-2007/6/index5.php
@kruman1
Aitzaz Ahsan has given the best strategy. I would say even in option 2 , if PPP decides to take part in election, the candidates of PPP should be asked to take this oath. This will make sure that those who are saying now that they are taking part in election in order to block mad dictator’s way to get approval of his actions from assembly, do not compromise with the dictator in the end. It will also be intersting if the Molvi Diesel also takes this oath
Agar hum “Oath” k itney hi paband hotey tu aaj is halat ko na pahonchatey.
@Asif
You are right , but you see there are people who are true to their oath , that is why we are proud today. Let’s hope we find such many more.
Yes hope is life & we should not lose hope at any cost.
hello
hi guys,any updates regarding chamchas of peja in washington
@Haroon
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They must now be enjoying holidays now. I told them that don’t make fool for yourself too long. In fact that young kid Ali Ahsan disgraced them too much , although they are shamless but they thought it’s better enjoy US trip then to defend me
Peja Mistri
I have a freind in Brussels and he told me that some people are paying 30 EUROS per hour to come to rally in favour of Musharraf!!
I have received another email from a friend who has informed us about government of Pakistan’s recent circular to embassies in Europe and US to get its employees and their families/friends out in favour of Mush. They have been asked to use discretionary funds for the time being and more money will follow. I will ask for his permission to reproduce his ‘confidential’ email.
Check out the ominous faces of those who sold their faith
http://www.freewebs.com/justiceforsale/
An interesting read, “Fazlur Rehman Got Spanking in SEFMA APC”
http://www.moveforjustice.org/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/17720/Default.aspx#17720
He should have been showered with rotten eggs but even that would have been injustuce to those eggs. What a SOB opportunist he is.
@Kami
“…in Brussels…some people are paying 30 EUROS per hour to come to rally in favour of Musharraf!…government of Pakistan’s recent circular to embassies in Europe and US to get its employees and their families/friends out in favour of Mush.”
People of Brussels are lucky – at least they are getting 30 Euros and not being force to attend these rallies (though the embassy employees might not be that lucky). Don’t you remember the May 12 “rally” in Islamabad as people lay dying on the streets of Karachi?
Letter FROM ATZIZ AHSON -Great Disappointntment
The focus should remain on the boycott .If oath has to do any thing why the lota judges take oath under PCO.I consider the sugession to diffuse the focus from the restoration of november 03 judiciary .It will be the biggest GADARI with the Hero judges ,it will also harm the unity of lawers.The lawers community should not buy this arguement .It will also damage the integrity of aitziz Ahson
Also Remeber politicians winning on party seats became lota afterwards ,DID oath stopped Musharaf to take over government .who cares about any committment
For me, this is really disappointing for the reason that I would have expected a headline like “ARD, APDM definitely united on judges issue” as that is the only and only clear issue at hand. And aren’t ARD and APDM the same, the main difference being one is without PPPP? So the only issue that matters to me BB says don’t mention it, it’s not important:(
ARD, APDM united on all but judges issue
“…According to sources, there was complete agreement on the following points of the Charter of Demands: end to emergency and restoration of the Constitution; elections on the announced date (January 8); new interim set-up in consultation with the opposition parties; suspension of local bodies; full strength of the Election Commission, and end to ghost polling stations….Talking to newsmen after the meeting, PML (N) Information Secretary Ahsan Iqbal said the draft would be finalized today and would be sent to the respective leaderships for whetting. It would also be presented to the JUI (F) Chief Maulana Fazalur Rehman and ANP President Asfandyar Wali for their support. “Once we get a go-ahead signal from all the leaders, it would be formally presented and made public,” he added….When asked whether the issue of restoration of judges would top the Charter of Demands, he said it was the demand of the whole nation. “The committee was formed to formulate those demands which reflect the wishes of the people of Pakistan,” he added….“
So are we again dependent on Fazlu and Wali? And if the restoration of judges is the top of the whole nation, then why is it the only sticking point?
The big questions is why the democracy loving PPP is against the restoration of the deposed Judges ?
Why ?
“charity begins from home”
aitzaz ahsan should be the first one declaring that he is boycotting the elections instead following his party pricinples.
he is the one who fought the case for cj and i am still wondering that what is he waiting for,his own cj is under house arrest since 3rd nov and he has filed the nominations and still waiting to withdraw rather than he should be the one for throwing the first stone.
he should boycott the elections and leave his party which has got no intention to get into the power and find new ways of doin corruption again.
i wish some one should tell him that
ENLIGHTENED MODERATION
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/06-12-2007/col5.htm
@ Farhan
I don’t know why people like you expect charity to begin from Aitzaz and are looking over heinous crimes of Pervaizo Mush. Aitzaz is not free, don’t demand anything from a jailed man.
Don’t worry. All politicians are after Mush’s skin (real one this time!!). Only difference is NS wants to give him a chance to say Kalima (I think it is some song in Turkish language), whereas BB believes in giving him a surprise kiss of death. Whereas Imran has already given warning from his side!!
Mush’s days are numbered. Inshallah.
@ Farhan
Don’t expect Aitzaz to start charity for you. He is jailed. Can’t do anything more than that.
I don’t know why Mush lovers hate our Heroes. Mush’s days are numbered. Don’t worry. He is history, Inshallah
@kami
i m not arguing about aitzaz integrity but i am sayin that he should distance himself from his party this is the time now for such decisions and as far as not doin any thing from home i dont agree,any body could withdraw their nominations without even goin to the election commission
he should not had put his nominations paper at first place
i hope he will do that
@ Farhan
His mother was in jail for Pakistan Movement and he was in her lap. He has seen jails and understand politics far more than us. Wait and see!!
He is brave Jawan, unlike Faujis
Read this: Mush is so scared:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007%5C12%5C04%5Cstory_4-12-2007_pg7_1
The army needs protection from Police
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Fatima Bhutto interview on “This is Hell”
This Is Hell – November 24, 2007
Kargil Ke Bagore
PM House Pe Char Dore
Siachin Ke Bagore
Wakeelon Pe Charh Dore
Dhaka Ke Bagore
Judgoon Pe Charh Dore
Kashmir Ke Bagore
Awam Pe Charh Dore
@ Ali
No opposition party including PPP is against the reinstatement of the judges. The real question is that will Mush accept that demand? If the answer is no then why waste time. Large part of the opposition considers that all opposition parties should agree on the point that after election, none of the current opposition parties will support the indemnity for Nov. 3 action. What does that mean? That means emergency and all the unconstitutional measures will be invalid and unconstitutional resulting in restoration of judiciary as of Nov. 2nd. I think it is quite pragmatic approach. Even if the 2008 elections are rigged, there will be 125-150 MNAs from PPP & N league. At that time legislative and street pressure will produce the desired results for opposition then the current approach. Boycott will be the biggest blunder which all opposition particularly N league and PPP will regret for at least next 10 years. IK has accepted the role of a leader of pressure group rather than political party. He has nothing to loose. The boycott at this time will be emotional and irrational approach which will hurt efforts to promote democracy and rule of law. Let’s say all opposition parties boycott the election, the only pressure on current regime will be moral one. Leading opposition leadership is not naive to think that the current immoral and illegitimate regime will take that moral pressure to do what’s right. To corner the regime to accept the demands of the opposition, the opposition should be in a position to either dictate its terms or in a position where regime is compelled to discuss their demands.
@huma
“The real question is that will Mush accept that demand?”
Please! That is a cop-out. Maybe the lawyers should have not demanded restoration of CJ back in March for they were sure Mush won’t accept it, so why demand it, right?
The real question is to MAKE Mush accept it.
Art of Skinning is an important one. I am going to a butcher to learn that:
We removed Mush’s first skin (uniform) and now we need to remove his second skin (real one) for playing with constitution of Pakistan.
@huma
“To corner the regime to accept the demands of the opposition, the opposition should be in a position to either dictate its terms or in a position where regime is compelled to discuss their demands.”
Exactly. And you don’t corner the regime by being timid.
@ nota
yes. We need to force Mush.
Push the Mush, who is a poodle of Bush
@ nota & kami
with utmost respect to both of you, I will just say that you lack the basic understanding of the politics. There is no way………and mark my words……… no way to force Mush through street agitation or winning battle based on morality. Had it been the case, it would have happened few months earlier. Through political acumen of two leading opposition leaders, we have Mush without his skin. It would not have happened without the untiring efforts of these astute leaders. The only way judiciary could be restored is when Mush is forced through next National Assembly. …………. Anyways………thinking about all possible outcomes and the way others may behave is not an easy task. Strategic moves to achieve ends is not a common skill among political leadership. Had it been the case, we would not have tons of political parties with tons of leaders but no workers.
test
@Huma
how was ayub kicked out….
how was yahya kicked out….
and zia…..
none of them got evicted by parliament…
they were forced to leave by street agitation,growing hatred in public leading to pressure on army to get rid of them….
only exception is zia…he was murdered…
so those who beleive on fairy tale that mush will be kicked out by any legislative measure passed in parliament they live in FOOL’S PARADISE….
HAVE U HEARD THAT “LAAATON KE BHOOT BAATON SE NAHEEN MAANTEY”
@ imran malik
Ayub was not kicked out but he bowed to his moral calling.
Yahya had to go as a result of elections.
Zia was not thrown out despite the “awami” agitation.
The only way Mush will go is through result of election. Even the rigged election will be his political demise.
Have you heard this “Bewakoofi aur bahadri mein baut thora sa farq hota hay”
“I don’t want Musharraf’s charity,” says deposed but the real chief justice of Peshawar High Court, Chief Justice Tariq Pervez:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/12/071205_justice_psw_zs.shtml
I salute these heros. We shoudl do whatever we can to help these judges finincially.
so ayub bowed out bc of moral calling…from 1958 to 1969 there was not such calling….what happened all of a sudden….bhutto lead agitation and the slogans of ayub KUTT@ was the reason….
now yahya was kicked out by gul hassan …after the fall out of dhaka ,yahya still wanted to stick around but immense pressure on army resulted in general gul hassan’s action …he literally forced yahya to resign…read history books…
in zia’s time there wasnt any agitation…he cashed on pro relegious sentiment and suppressed pppp factor …he was murdered ,elections in 1985 didnt do much damage to him….
@huma
havent you heard…”ghee seedhi ungli se naheen nikley ga”
army understands the language of power….they uses power and are scared of it too….what changed mush’s decision is not parlament but phone call from his dad in usa….these army people are trained in this way….for them the constitution is there just for the amendments thruough lota cracy …
NS meeting ambassadors right now.
“No judge can be removed except by the supreme judicial council” – deposed but real Chief Justice of Sindh High Sabeehuddin Ahmad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/meta/dps/2007/12/bb/071205_sabihuddinpart2_16x9_bb.asx
“No judge can be removed except by the supreme judicial councilâ€? – deposed but real Chief Justice of Sindh High Sabeehuddin Ahmad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/meta/dps/2007/12/bb/071205_sabihuddinpart2_16×9_bb.asx
thanks clhussain for sharing the picture….i saved the picture may be one day i will sell it on ebay for one milllllion $$$$.
NS – ambassdors mtg going on. Turkish ambassador says we’ll take Musharraf if no one else will.
Upon this the Malaysian ambassador says we have too many pigs already.
@Huma
“I will just say that you lack the basic understanding of the politics.”
Thanks for the complement
NS – ambassdors mtg going on. Turkish ambassador says we’ll take Musharraf if no one else will.
Upon this the Malaysian ambassador says we have too many p!gs already.
Nawaz Sharif Addresses Press Conference after Meeting with Ambassadors
“Our papers have been rejected, this is the biggest proof that the elections will be massively rigged. What has changed since 2002 when my papers were accepted. We will not appeal because the high court is filled with Mush loyalist judges.”
“Current govt and election commission are partial.”
“We want to see a strong Pakistan with a free judiciary.”
Hi guys – I have been reading all the posts with great interest. I agree with you all that these polls are fraud and no one should participate in it and there should be total boycott. i completely agree with that. However if there is a danger that one party is going to participate then teh policy should be changed.
Dekho yaar agar dushman kameena ho na to phir us ko deal karnay ka tareeqa bhi wohi hona chahye.
Look come what may – Musharraf wants this election and he would like Q should sweep it.
And he would do it at any cost.
So how to damage him. Can be done on two fronts – reduce the effect of those parties who are aligned with him in elections – if BB and NS jointly participate in these sham elections and make it a point that no one would give any indemity to Musharraf’s action and also would restore Judiciary – this would be another headache for Musharraf and he would be more inclined to rig the elections and so everything would stand exposed.
But if BB participates and NS does not there is a very good chance that BB with Q would give indemity to Musharraf. So NS not only has to stop Q but also BB and Fazlu deisel. #
In ideal situation Aitzaz should leave BB but I know why NS and Aitizaz dont want to shun BB – because that would make teh prize land in Musharraf’s lap. This they dont want. They dont want to push her to opposite camp. Thats NS is not bothered about appealing his disqualification because he know this is a transient phase and the next goverment if at all comes out of this election would be a very unstable goverment.
By teh way I was surprised to read in the article by Safdar Mahmood – Englightened Moderation – that Khursheed Mahmood Kasoor’s wife and daughters were in fore front protesting against PCO and clamp on media.
Q league has totally disappeared except for occasional biyans of Shujaat and Pervez Elahi.
@Huma,
I am not clear about your point. Are you suggesting that Mush cannot be removed through street power beacuse a) such a power cannot be mustered, or b) even if people come out in very large numbers, they will not have any effect?
If you mean a) I agree with you. So far politicians have failed and disappointed on this. But if you mean this than I am surprised that you are insisting taht parliament will get rid of Mush. Why would the same politician dare to genuinely challenge Mush/ army then when they are unwilling to do so now? Why should we not expect a repeat of 2002 when the aprliament actually supported Mush?
If you mean b), I am afraid, I will have to disagree with you. The only power dictators are afraid of is mass street power. Huma, if you do not have faith in mass power, you have no faith in democracy.
We can lament that strett power is not there but to say that it will not be effective, and still to think that parliament will be able to get rid of a dictator is a gross misunderstanding. On the other hand, your stance can be seem as a very astute support for Mush. You are discouraging street power while knowing fully well taht parliament will never be successful and thus Mush regime gets guaranteed. This is eaxctly how Mush is thinking, why else would he insist that everyone should participate in elections. He knows, a parliament is the best guarantee for his stay.
I would hope taht your reply would systematically deal with my points.
Tipu
@chussain,
your optimnistic scenario is based on an assunption:
if BB and NS jointly participate in these sham elections and make it a point that no one would give any indemity to Musharraf’s action and also would restore Judiciary
why should thsi happen? In particular, what makes you trust BB on this? And even NS fully? I think, the more likely scenario is a repeat of 2002 situation. PML (Q), MQM, some lotas of PML(N) and PPP + some independent and small parties will togather provide Mush with legitimacy. Mush knows this and taht is why he is insisting on elections.
DAWN TV ROCKS
Their anchor just stated that PPP may be opposing restoration of judiciary as that might mean the end of NRO.
PMLN and laywers gathering to march towards CJP residence. PMLN leaders have also started arriving. It will be a showdown!
Muk gaya tera show
Go Musharraf Go
Chief teray jan naisar
bay shumar bay shumar
Mian day naaray wajjan gay
dushaman saaray bhajjan gay
Guys, someone posted the link of Musharraf manhoos’ article. Can you do that again? I can’t seem to find it in the comments.
@chussain
Sorry bro but you have fallen into the trap. Please re-read what you have posted. Are you suggesting we all become k*njars to deal w*th a k*njar? No thanks
NS heading toward judges colony now accompanied by lawyers.
NS pun day Mush noo’n
Reporters went on to check Mush’s claim about his popularity in villages…and look what they found…:)
http://www.dawn.com/2007/12/06/top12.htm
Tipu
NS stopped at a barrier in judges colony. Police won’t let him proceed. Intense sloganeering by lawyers and PMLN activists. Heavy police contingent on site. Shoving and pulling between PMLN activists and police.
NS about to address the workers and lawyers. Makhdoom Hashmi, Ch Nisar and Ahsan Iqbal also with Nawaz.
@ chussain
This policy of trying to reduce the strength of ally parties of dictators has been the bane of our existence since long. I want everyone to shun it now. Even if BB participates, the others should not. Enough is enough! Also I do not see the so called elected parliament resulting from these elections going very far in any case. At the most 2-3 years and then the same instability as PPP, PMLQ and Musharraf (with Fazlu thrown in for good measure) don’t make very long lasting buddies. So everyone should concentrate on getting rid of this evil now rather than push it for later.
who says PML Q and Mush loyalists are finished and are not appearing in news? They are there with full ‘glory’, just read todays The News yourself
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=84689
I hope non of you were expecting anything other than corruption scandals!!
This one is about Mush and Chaudrys pet ex-minister money-scam unearthed not by opposition but Govt own dept!
A nice article on the uselessness of taking part in the elections by Bilal Hasan Minto in The News:
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=84549
Wardi uski aan hay ,
Wardi uski pehchaan hai
bootal mein jiski jaan hai
woh sdar-i-pakistan hai
Na woh insaan hai
na woh musalman hai
@Aneeza – may be you are right.
extension of Pejamistri’s poetry
wardi ke beghair us ki mot hai
wardi ya us ke beghair us ki nahin koi pehcan hai
kutta main us ki jaan hai
woh khali zuban ka sadr-e pakistan hai
insaan to kia woh janwar ki bhi toheen hai
worth reading last para. after all kasuri runs beacon house schools and this is the social pressure needed. otherwise after elections, pakistani sisyasat can be explained in one sentence ” Raat gaey baat gaey”
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/06-12-2007/col5.htm
Guys maybe you are right – to be honest even I dont know whats going to happen in next one month – Only Allah can tell. Because He knows the best.
One thing however I agree with you that the elections should be boycotted. AFter all in 1993 MQM had also boycotted the elections and in 2001 they had bocyotted the Local Bodies elections – they have not been exterminated. So yes I believe those parties who believe that these are sham elections they should boycott it.
I think the ethical way forward is byocotting the election. Not doing so is simply a way of consenting to the whole military arrangement with the posisbility of getting into power.
In addition to what was written in the article posted by Aneeza, there is another advantage of boycotting the election. At the end of the day, US establishment has to sell its support to Musharraf to its people and to those in opposition. With major parties boycotting the election, this task will become difficult. We noted how the western media had become anti-Musharraf in the days following emergency beacuse of the hard and violent steps he took. We need to strengthen those who are anti-Musharraf in USA and europe. Boycotting elections would do that.
Alas, having said all this, I am simply working with what Gramsci said: “pessimism of intellect, optimism of will”. I do not think that politicians will rise to the occassion but I desperately wish so.
Tipu
Tipu
@Aneeza
Dawn has a piece on the subject as well:
First Things First by Muneer A. Malik
Some other articles from today’s Dawn:
Desparate Moves On Arbab Rahim and his deal making. Do read the last para to uncover another govt scam about education.
Justice Tariq assails move to create rift among judges
‘Deposed judges victim of fascism’ says Jamiat Ahle Hadith chief.
Fazl eyes seats of allies boycotting polls
Government is adding to the attraction of Swat tourist spots:
Troops plan to secure tourist resorts
And speaking of Government scams, it takes notice of another one of its own:
Govt takes notice of sugar mills’ refusal to pay official rate
I should have included this editorial above as well:
PR exercises abroad
“A GENERAL going to a democratic country to plead another general’s case for his political credentials is indeed biz*rre….”
any update on NS’s attempt to meet Honourable CJP?
@Malek
NS was not able to meet Honourable Chief Justice , but there was an energetic crowd with him , who chanted slogans , NS also delivered fiery speech to the crowd.
Details here:
http://daily.urdupoint.com/todayNewsLive.php?news_id=51182&page=1&page1=9&date1=2007-12-06&cat_id=2
NS not allowed to meet Honorable CJP
i.e. one pakistani is not allowed to meet another pakistani!
and Head Jocker claims we are in the 3rd and final phase of transition to democracy??
Is Dawn News channel replica of PTV? They created so much fuss about not allowing them license and showed is if they will be the most independent channel if allowed to launch. Now they have only clowns coming in their debates.
I wish as they are english news channel they bring “Wasi Zafar” in such debates that will at least make their debates worth watching as comedy show and will beat “Hum Sub Umeed Say hain” and 4 Man Show.
So what is happening now:
1- Heat is over from Army – less discussed in media
2- Mush getting stronger ?
3- Focus changed to BB and NS and charter of demands and eventually elections –
4- AA per se, matters dragged till end of Jan? after elections
5- Media about to kick off again with election city
6- civil society effort – aatey main namak
7- what else
MISSING PERSON ENQUIRY
Any one recently heard anything about Shaukat Aziz?
for those who dont know who Shaukat Aziz is:
- he was the PM of Pakistan until 2 weeks ago. (remember now or still struggling?)
- he is the longest serving PM of Paksitan’s history. (puppy was kept indoors – away from public – under @rm(y) guard)
- he is the best performer PM in the history of Pakistan. (that came from Mush so you can imagine how much truth is in that!)
- he was the only PM of Pakistan’s history who got a farewell reception at President House when he completed his tenure (Our President is very scared to go anywhere)
- he is the gem of pakistani politics (just like a gem, he is a stone (face) and unable smile)
while i was writing this missing person enquiry someone told me that ex-PM (Phitcar Mimister) was seen travelling between Karachi and Khaibar….apparantely he was looking for a constituency for elections!
but then i was told that he found more than one…great…but unfortunately could not get minimum support from local voters (nomination papers require about 25 supporters)…..
so sorry I am that we treat our former leaders like this……..Well never mind no one knew him anyway!….but imagine what would happen to his master Mush when he leaves???
@ahmed bhai
Apart from point 2 which is totally incorrect, I would agree with rest of your points. But look what we have achieved.
1. A permanent dent in the cerdibility of army as nation saving institution. Back in 1988 when General Zia was ruling over this country I clearly remember apart from BBC radio nobody will ever be able to say anything against the army. They were teh most sacred cow , not any more.
2. The whole face of judiciary has changed , people still remember Justice Carnileus as the only one who gave verdict against the sitting general. Save few judges in Z.A. Bhutto case very few judges were bold enough to write dissenting notes only.
3. Apart from few very very lonely voices nobody ever appericiated the sacrifice of judges who did not take oath under PCO under General Zia and General Mush, but now the “whole” nation at least feels sympathy for 50+ judges.
I think as a civil society we went into this tournament as the weakest team against the teams of ruthless dictator , and despite the weakest we are now in final. See how many of his teams we have beaten.
1. Corrupt Judiciary team. (They were just bulldozed by us. Doogara team in Supreme Court is most shamefully beaten team).
2. Corrupt Politicians Team. (Shortcut Aziz along with his clowns is history)
3. Corrupt Intellectuals Team (Those intellectual who supported mad dictator now either keep quiet or openly against him)
4. Last but not the least the dreaded “Uniform team”. Mad dictator is now naked without uniform.
In this knock out tournament we are now in the final having a direct match with Army generals to go back to barracks and bring the rule of law.
We may or may not win this final, but we are winner at the end of the day.
P.S. Optimist in me never dies , I wish he could
Geo News: Ahm Tareen
Progess on seat adjustment between PPP and JUI (F)
@pejamistri
And remember they were crying at the time because govt had stopped giving them their ads which to me was odd that such an old newspaper was saying we could not survive without them. That should be reason enough for it to close up shop
Remember Dawn News Inaugration?
Excerpt from link above:
“…While praising the launching of the country’s first 24-hour English language news channel, President Musharraf described it as a unique event. But at the same time he did not hesitate in taking full credit for the mushrooming of private television channels, saying that whatever freedom there was in the country it was only because of him. “I alone had insisted that we must give them freedom so that the media could hold everyone accountable,â€? he said while recalling the early years in power when he had framed the media policy….”
President Musharraf said (in his own extempore style) at the inauguration speech of DawnNews channel that there’s nothing (negative) happening and that there’s hardly any poverty in the country now. He asserted that People in rural areas used to buy “Gaye Soapâ€? and now use “Lux Soapâ€? instead.”
MMA = Mutahida Munafiqin Amal
PML(n) = Pakistan Mujram league(Nakama group)
PML(q) = Pakistan Mujram League (qanun apna hai group)
MQM = Mutahida QAWAL movement
PPP= pakistan pollution party
Turkish ambassador…… says they will take Musharraf and also Nawaz and Bhutto if no one else will but sorry no palace.
MQM – Mutahhida Qatil(murderers) Movement
PML(q) = Pakistan Mujram League (qabza group)
The biggest sin of PML Q is to name their Muslim League after Quaid-i-Azam ; that poor man’s name they have dishonoured. Shame on them.
Pakistan should pass a law whereby no one except Pakistan goverment can name anything with the name of Quaid-1-Azam and Jinnah – otherwise now every Tom Di@ck and Har@ry are using these names for whatever reason.
@clhussain
Only government has named her political party with the name of Qauid-e-Azam(Shujaat) and Jinnah(Ejaz-ul-Haq).
Jutice Retired Waji-u-din
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/06-12-2007/update.htm#34
@ Sal @ Khan of Pro Mush @ Rebellion
It is good to have a few Mush lovers here.
It is good to have these weired people. When we see their sad tactics, we appreciate the nicer people more. It is like when a fake note is brought to us then we appreciate that majority of notes we have are real and that is a good thing.
BB barred from proceeding to Dubai on technical grounds. Govt is blackmailing her, telling her that she can be placed on ECL and arrested if she causes trouble.
Just heard BB on interview. Said “PPP & PMN-N agree on elections will be rigged.” She is leaving for Dubai again for at least 3 days (“I miss my kids” was the excuse, like her kids have warrants out for them and will be nabbed if they came here instead)
She denied she was going to have a high-level meeting with the government which means she is going to be having a high-level meeting with the government.
Now here’s what her plan looks like to me:
1. Make PML-N take part in that rigged election
2. For that she asks government for more seats
3. Elections happen, rigged of course, but are in PPP’s favor meaning PPP gets more seats than deserved.
4. PML-N cries foul. PML-N asks PPP to not accept the results.
5. PPP says elections were rigged and claims she would have gotten even more seats if the elections were fair, but for the transition to democracy and the good of the country she will make the sacrifice and accept it for now.
Rest you all know…
@Kruman
Just pure drama on BB’s part. Nothing else. I posted what I think is BB’s plan but is awaiting moderation. Tell me what you think. Oh and I will try it here once again too and see if I can get past the filter…
BBC report about Ali Ahmed Kurd .. must listen. Check here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/urdu/meta/tx/sairbeen?size=au&bgc=003399&lang=ur&nbram=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1
Check Minute : 51:00 – 56:00
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Highlights:
child of a lion is a lion. His daughter tells about the reason of her father’s arrest.
Baba kehta tha woh (Musharraf) loogoon kay saath na insaafi karta tha. Ghareeboon koo khana ku nahi daita , loogoon kay saath bura pesh aata hai.
Baba Musharraf ku kehtay thay tum mat karoo aisa. Achha pesh aaoo loogoon kay saath bura mat pesha aaoo.
How true the little child has explained the bitter reality of Pakistan. This is what I call “ABSOLUTE TRUTH” .
Just heard BB on interview. Said “PPP & PMN-N agree on elections will be rigged.� She is leaving for Dubai again for at least 3 days (�I miss my kids� was the excuse, like her kids have warrants out for them and will be nabbed if they came here instead)
She denied she was going to have a high-level meeting with the government which means she is going to be having a high-level meeting with the government.
Now here’s what her plan looks like to me:
1. Make PML-N take part in that rigged election
2. For that she asks government for more seats
3. Elections happen, rigged of course, but are in PPP’s favor meaning PPP gets more seats than deserved.
4. PML-N cries f*ul. PML-N asks PPP to not accept the results.
5. PPP says elections were rigged. Claims she would have gotten even more seats had the elections been fair, but for the transition to democracy and the good of the country she will make the sacrifice and accept it for now.
Rest you all know…..
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/06-12-2007/update.htm#42
Is it true that restoration of judiciary is not included in chartered of demadns?
@Asif
Charter of Demands is not final yet but since day one the only point BB/PPP is refusing to subit to is that one i.e. restoration of judiciary. For she knows that means no NRO
@Admin
Today posts seem to be getting through in minutes compared to hours earlier….
Thanks for quick moderation
If its not complete yet then why Peshawar Bar rejected it even before its completion, means something fishy fishy……
$20 BILLION COST OF WAR ON TERROR TO PAKISTAN
I asked a panel of terrorism and security experts including Sri Hilary Synot, Jonathan Paris of Hudson Institute to comment at the Royal United Services Institute for Defence and Security on 3rd December 2007, (a) going to war without a plan is bad but having no exit strategy is even worse (b) ‘it is said that lot of aid has been offered to Pakistan since 2001 but in actual fact Pakistan’s economy suffered $10 billion in three years between 2001 – 2004 according a report published by the US Central Command in 2004. Keeping in view the continuation of the war for another three years up 2007 Pakistan’s economy has suffered $20 billion or more in total in the support of Global War on terror. Khurshid Kasuri former foreign minister of Pakistan gave me an off the record explanation about the 2004 US Central Command report which was not valid at all. That money could have been spent on poverty elevation, education, health, housing, and research. But countries like Pakistan don’t have enough resources like developed UK, EU and US. The environmental problem is borderless and need to have international dimension….
According to news report a Saudi arm twister met Nawaz and asked him to take part in elections “for the good of the country.” Nawaz was shown afterwards saying if APDM decides not to boycott, he will take “bharpoor” part in campaigns of his parties candidates.
So there you have it. Any one have any doubts about boycott any more?
@Admin
Now every thing seems to be going in moderation, even a thank you note to Admin. This is r*d*culous, guys!!!
Let me take my thanks back
@NOTA
I dont think its that simple…
i dont see bb and mush working together and that also with giving share to pervez elahi group ,,that makes it close to impossible..
only viable scenerio i can forsee in future is mush less pakistan and politics back to 90s mode ..that is bb vs pml….and pml will be combined q and n…chaudharies and NS will patch up since they can’t afford to divide the anit bhutto sentiments (it wouldnt help neither chahdaries nor NS to split anti bhutto vote )….SE WE WILL BE BACK TO 90s mode soon ….and mush will be axed soon…i dont see any practical soln with mush now…..
any comments
@imran malik
At least you agree all talk of b*ycott is all b/s. And by both BB and Nawaz.
@nota
i dont give any significance to these elections…so whoever do bycott will gain respect in few months …when elections will be reheld….i strongly feel that elections if at all conducted under mush wouldnt hold any significance…i think politicians shld also be smart enough to know it and shld bycott.. i still beleive that NS will bycott..and you never know about BB she might get this signal at 11th hr from her bosses in washington….
i really dont see any role of mush in future…any practical political scenerio is w/o mush ……with old pml and pppp fighting …..
so jan 8 elelctions if happens at all will not hold for longer than few months…
bycott or no bycott i dont care……
@imran malik
Oh one more thing. You said “i dont see bb and mush working together.” They have been working together for years, remember? As long as each gets their piece of the pie they will work something out I am sure. Even if they can’t, and all this leads to the 90′s then I say to h*ll with it…
Peja thanks for the link to Kurd’s children talking to BBC.
Sher da puttar phir sher ey.
all this fuss about 8th jan elections is childish….
this hue and cry is baseless.
@imran malik
Wish my comment about NS was not blocked. But did you not hear NS had a saudi visitor today ordering him to take part in elections? After that he also said if APDM decides not to boycott, he will take “bharpoor� part in the elections. No question any more about NS not boycotting.
@nota
bb couldnt work with leghari
and mush couldnt tolerate jamali…
so how can bb and mush sail through smoothly ..that also considering the fact that pervez elahi will also be breathing under her neck…he might be cm of punjab…this will be worse than 1988 scenerio and wouldnt work..
leading to 90s isnt that bad …atleast we will have political parties fighting with each other with no general in power…generals will act like refreee and thats fine…let the system run…and sooner or later we will see people like ik and aa emerging to top…
@imran malik
So are you saying the CJ issue is baseless and Muneer Malik is childish and IK is a f**l and everyone calling for restoration of judiciary needs to grow up?
@nota
again i dont care if there is bycott or not…let the 8th jan approach ..if at all elections happen it wouldnt make any diffrence..the govt emerging out of these elections would last long…..only secenerio is mush less…back to 90s….chahdharies and NS making out….sheeda talli begging to NS and making out……only issue bw ch and NS will be post of PM…since pervez elahi is also dreaming about it now…as soon they resolve that they will make a big JADOOO KI JEPHEE…..
@NOTA
no im not saying the judges issue is baseless im saying that 8th jan elections dont hold any ahmiet……
mush left ghq bc of lawyers movemetn…and all this change took place bc of them…NS and BB are there in pakistan bc of iftikhar ch and co……they will be resored next yeare as soon as mush resign …which will be next year im sure ….
@imran malik
“eading to 90s isnt that bad …”
Sorry but I would like to aim a bit higher. Just because odds are against it doesn’t mean I won’t give it my best shot.
@NOTA
there would be diff to 90s scenerio and that is STRONGER 3rd political force …IMRAN KHAN and some other folks can make a potent force to reckon with…
other than that do expect a BIG JADOO KI JEPHEE BW CHAHDARIES AND NS soon…
Fiction and politics
A Campaign Against Martial Law event
The Campaign Against Martial Law invites you to a reading by Pakistani fiction writers and writers who are friends of Pakistan. The writers will be reading from their work, leading to a discussion on the intersection of literature and politics.
Friday 7th December
Venue: Room 3, South Range Building, King’s College, Strand Campus, University of London.
Timing: 7.00-9.00
Price of admission: £5
The current situation in Pakistan: Ghazi Salahuddin
Readings:
Moni Mohsin, Amarjit Chandan, Saqlain Imam, Kamila Shamsie, Zubaida Metlo, Mohammed Hanif, Aamer Hussein.
Questions and answers
Aabpara Protest, Islamabad 4 Dec 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_fV5ppxaE
Kamran Khan Show is back on Geo
@imran malik, nota , asif
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Let me jump into discussion. Here is my assessment of the situation.
1. There is no quick fix for the question of judiciary. This is not going to be solved before january 8.
2. However the question is not going to go away because of the elections.
3. There will be two parallel activities going on in the next 10-12 weeks, first the elections (chances are BB, NS and others (some lawyers like AA) taking part in them.
4. Second a more vigorous movement of restoration of judiciary going on from mid of december. IK will have an important role in this movement.
5. Depending upon what happened in elections specially if government tries to give any unreasonable share (reasonable share means 5-10 seats) to PML-Q , there will be huge outcry of rigging in election.
6. I believe that it will be hard for the government to do a mass rigging in these elections. Hence PPP will be sure of getting majority. PML-N will have other big share.
7. At the end of the day Question of judiciary will become hot just after 8th of January whether elections are rigged or not.
8. What happens after 8th January I don’t know
Dictator do have the life till 8th of January now .. *sigh*
madcow on AAJ TV
@peja
i dont see mush nexy year….he can’t run govt with bb and pervez elahi both…
we r going back to 90s …mush will be out soon….
EXPECT JADOOOOO KI JEPHEEEEE BW NS AND CHAHUDHARIES SOON…….
Interesting news
http://daily.urdupoint.com/todayNewsLive.php?news_id=51231&featured=1&cat_id=2
PCO chief justice issues contempt of court notice to CCPO Lahore and chief secratery Punjab.. wow.. but wait reason.
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For two days the civil society held vigil in front of Honorable Justice Shahid Siddiqui and the police did not stop them
I wish somebody could blaken face of this PCO judge…
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(All lines with **** are sensored by myself , please put whatever you can think against this man).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK_fV5ppxaE
Open letter from Salman Ahmed to Bilal Musharraf
I share with you an open letter sent by Salman Ahmed
of Junoon to Bilal Musharraf, son of General Pervaiz
Muhsarraf.
Dear Bilal,
Thanks for this shared e-mail. I’ve never publicly
responded to you but am compelled to do so now. I’ll
respond to the public part of your criticism of my
changed stance against your father’s policies.For the
record, my support for your father’s vision of
“enlightened moderation� was never based on any
personal expectations or “marketing� (rock musicians
dont usually like hanging out with military dictators)
My prior public support to your father’s govt. along
with that of the vast majority of Pakistanis was given
in the belief that he would deliver on his public
promises to fight extremism, respect civil
institutions,bring accountability to corrupt
politicians, open up a free and independent media and
reduce the immoral gap between Pakistan’s rich and
poor. The picture that you took of me with your dad
was taken in 2003,when I felt that the international
media was cynically and wrongly depicting Pakistan as
a total terrorist state being defended by “only� one
pro-western moderate Pakistani, your father. Although
i was ridiculed by many for doing so, but i chose to
put that picture on the Junoon website after the
assasination attempts on your father in December 2003.
The picture was meant to symbolise the majority
support of Pakistan’s civil society for the fight
against extremism and lawlessness. That picture and my
support for your father’s govt (WHICH YOU WOULD
VOUCH,I HAVE NEVER ABUSED FOR PERSONAL GAIN NOR HAVE
MY FAMILY OR FRIENDS) was never meant to be taken as a
blank check for the state machinery to run amok and
start dismantling civil institutions, making deals
with crooks and plunderers, treating civil servants
like common criminals, kidnapping and killing innocent
Pakistanis under the guise of the “war on terror� and
illegally spying, torturing and jailing thousands of
Pakistanis (which include national heroes, supreme
court judges, lawyers, rights activists, house wives
and students).
My recent op-ed in the Washington post and my public
disassociation with your father should not be a
surprise to you. I wrote many candid e-mails to you in
August and September of this year,sharing my concern
about your father’s policies and his govt’s high
handed tactics.You responded by saying I was being too
harsh to which I reminded you that true friends are
not meant to be mistaken for sycophants and cronies
but are a True barometer of the public’s
perceptions.You chose to ignore these warning e-mails
and dismissed them as “emotionalism�. Even when you
visited me while I was on tour in Canada in October,
you promised that there would be no reason to impose
emergency in Pakistan and you assured me that your
father respects the judiciary and has spoken to the
chief justice of the supreme court in this regard.
Alas, even that myth has now been totally shattered.
The supreme court judges are also citizens of Pakistan
who have courageously tried to stick to the letter and
the spirit of the law for which they are being
punished by your father’s govt. Why is this so?
All that I write above is not just my view but the
view of millions of Pakistanis and independent
observers. I’m not writing out of spite or revenge but
conveying the voice of Pakistan’s not so silent
majority. As an artist I have also publicly criticized
previous Pakistani rulers who like your dad made the
mistake of not respecting civil society or civil
institutions and I will continue to do so in the
future as well. Staying silent is no longer an option,
Art disturbs and artists have no choice but to listen
to their conscience.
Yours Sincerely,
Salman Ahmad
“An unjust king asked a devotee what kind of worship is best. He replied, ‘For thee the best is to sleep one half of the day so as not to injure the people for a while.’” — Sa’di
@peja
having seen the related news on Aaj TV clip and the PCO judges remarks, i dont think the censored ****** marks in your note are long enough for anyone to put their remarks against such a ‘so called’ judge. This PCO judge particularly deserves the same as Mush – No less. and we all know what that is going to be!!
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/06-12-2007/update.htm#47
i dont know if i heard it right on Geo News that the same PCO CJ of Lahore High Court or the bench had asked that Honorable Justice SS will be liable to rent of Rs 65,000 pm rising to Rs 1,25,000 pm after 60 days if the house is not vacated…
this is making me really sick. and my hands are shaking of anger hearing this
@malek
I don’t know if this ba**** have any children. I wish his children could read this and could be ashamed of their father.
Some fathers are indeed a misfortune.
Shah se zyaaaada shah ke wefaaadaaar…
@Asif
See my post above….
Revolution in Pakistan is always stopped by USA/West and establishment & elite class of Pakistan.
Lawyers movement of independant judiciary, fee media supported by civil rights activists and other like mindede classes is not being supported by pro-American elements in Pakistan including PPP/JUI etc. Free judiciary, free press and rule of law is not suites PPP/generals and Mullas of Pakistan.
Free judiciary and free media can lead to rule of law and pure democratic society in Pakistan how can PPP/Generals/Mullah and USA can allow this type of progress in our society???
Even Aitzaz Ahsan attitude is doubtfull as for as his old link with PPP is concerned??
In my view lawers movement and civil society has to work hard and to travel long long journey of struggle. May Allah help us to be recognised as civilized country/nation.
heard that munir malik is in pretty bad shape.
check this out as well:
http://inqilaabistan.blogspot.com/
hundred poems for mush to quit..
asghar
I am going to Pakistan, and iA will participate in these protests.
remember me in your prayers.
Nazir Naaji is getting worried about Charter of Demands because there is one requirement where the parties have agreed not to legitimise PCO etc …
http://jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/07-12-2007/col2.htm