APDM fails to reach a consensus on election’s bycott. BBC reporting PML(N) has decided to contest polls . Earlier The News reported.
The APDM meeting held at the residence of former prime minister Nawaz Sharif concluded without reaching any conclusion regarding their participation in the upcoming elections.
Nawaz Sharif was chairing the meeting of an alliance of 33 opposition parties and political groups in the Lahore Sunday evening to decide whether to boycott Pakistan’s Jan 8 parliamentary polls.
However, they were unable to agree on whether to demand that around 60 Supreme Court and high court judges that Musharraf sacked last month be immediately reinstated.
Qazi Hussain Ahmed and Imran Khan maintained their stance to boycott the forthcoming elections and stressed that there would be no use of participating in the elections without restoration of judiciary and lifting of emergency in the country.
However, PML (N) leader Raja Zafarul Haq said after the meeting that the APDM would continue to remain in the country.
Earlier in the meeting, most of the participating political parties gave arguments in favour of taking part in the elections.
Imran Khan Zinda baad !!!!
Others are stupid enough. They should bycoot. In case PPP win the election then still they will work for independent judiciry as well. For that APDM doesnt need to be in parliment. APDM should have bycoot,No matter what result comes
Is it true that Musharraf asked Abdullah Gul to give him a house on a nude beach in Istanbul. Can Bilal Musharraf confirm this?
Altaf Hussain wants to join Musharraf too if that is true. Infact we’ll move the MQM headquarter from nine-zero to the the nude beach.
Thanks,
Aamir Altaf
Jeevay jeevay Altaf jeevay
Geo Musharraf Geo
I think it is not unprecedented. Imran should also go in to elections if these guys go.
I think Imran Khan, Lawyers, students and other political parties who are boycotting the elections should immediately start their countrywide campaign to spread their message to masses that those who are participating are petraying the people of Pakistan and its judiciary.
And all those who are in favor of boycott must go to polling station on 8th January but put stamp on the back of the ballot paper.
@raj
Tiger doesn’t eat grass.
I beleive elections should be contested as a party of national reconciliation which would include APDM plus PPP. They would then contest polls against PML Q and MQM at both levels of legislators. MNAs and MPAs.
it is a sad news, that once again the political parties are going into fradulant elections. the best option was to boycott elections and launch a movement to restore judges. It means that all the western countries have put the pressure and again our leaders are ready to betray their nation. if the judges are not restored the nation will destroy. now its time for the nation to unite it self by not casting any vote in the elections and boycot personally. Imran bhai pls start the movement and ask the people if you are with the judges come out and save them and boycot elections, take this slogan and give politics of pakistan a new turn, if you lead today pakistan will be able to win another political world cup under your leader ship. all other politician are munafiq and we are with you and we are ready for a long war.
@maan.
If what you have suggested above could happen (i.e. boycotts) that would be ideal. If it doesnt, then I am afraid tigers should eat grass.
Sometimes tigers do eat grass, to get their digestive system right for eating bigger prey.
@raj
Tiger never eats grass. Those who claim to be tigers but eat grass the time of need are actually not tigers but GOATS.
“TIGER NEVER EATS GRASS”
**EXAMPLES:
Those who didn’t take oath under PCO i.e. Iftikhar Ch. and co.
Tigers prefer to die but never eat grass.
The ideal sitiuation is if the bycott is from all opposition parties including PPPP, PML (N), PTI, JI etc.
Now, its only one month and the politicians should take in elections with IK, N Brothers as well as other reigonal parties. For these parties it is best chance to win as pple dont like Mush, PMLQ.
With vote people can bring change and if APDM wins, they can restore the judeciary (I can hope although I am not 100% sure).
Elections on illegal basis could never bring a change. A day will come when the PPP, PML N and others would have to regret their decision.
Only those decisions of politicians are beneficial and fruitful for them which they take after feeling the pulse of their people not that of international pressure and other leaders.
Well guys we all knew that there is no way that PPP, PMLN, JI, JIF, would have bycott the elections…
Imran should also participate in elections if he wants to continue to fight for the people as a solid voice insied and outside Pakistan or he will be left in isolation….
Or may be he is concerned about his One Seat Party….
mian nawaz shirf must have to take part in election, forget about this stupid imran khan and taga parties.
APMD is nothing but a cheal Drama. I don’t understand what makes then to not stand for truth. The truth is simple ” The Judiciary has been Slaughtered “, so just fight for the judiciary. Election and other thing are based on illeagle ACT and all ordinance after 3rd November are also illeage.
Fuc**rs politicians looking for their interest not the interest of Pakistan.
shame on nawaz sharif. he has proven that he doesnt trust the people of pakistan, and that his own and his party interests are above the interests of the people. i salute imran khan and qazi sahab. i hope they maintain their stance throughout. they will always be remembered in golden words along with the honest judges who didnt take oath under PCO. musharraf altaf bb nawaz fazlu etc. they will soon be discarded into the dustbin of history, while only those who dont compromise on principles will be remembered as heroes. time will tell who was smart and who was stupid. bye bye nawaz, i supported him till now, but not anymore. he had the chance to become a national leader and he lost his chance.
ye politicians,general aur in ‘jiyalay’ aur ‘niwalay’ kuttay ki dum ki tarah kabhi seeday nahin hongay.
If NS had any shame he would atleast reflect on the statements he has been making over the past month, besharam kis moo say vote maangay ga. NS has backstabbed the lawyers movement, media, imran khan and the rest of the opposition (I wouldn’t be surprised if he shakes hands with Q League, this man has no principles), he might be suffering from amnesia but people will not forget.
As far as this ‘maidan khaali nahin chorain gay’ theory goes bhai phichlay election main to maidaan khaali nahin chora tha, konsa teer maar liya.
I am wondering how Javed Hashmi, Chaudhry Nisar Ali, Jhaghar and Raja Zafara Ullahq are going to defend their earlier statement that if Nawaz Sharif goes for election they would not be standing with him.
I am waiting for them particularly Javed Hashim to appear in some talk show and answer this question.
MUBARAK MUBARAK
MUSHRAF DID THE RIGHT WITH PAKISTANIS.
BECAUSE IF AT THIS STAGE POLITICAL PARTIES ARE NOT GET TOGETHER THEN MUSHRAF HAS THE RIGHT TO DO SUCH THINGS.
YESTERDAY I TOLD YOU PEOPLE THAT NAWAZ WILL TAKE PART AND NEXT I AM GOING TO BREAK THE NEWS THAT ATIZAZ IS GOING TO TAKE PART IN THE ELECTION.
LONG LIVE MUSHRAF
LONG LIVE EMERGENCY
MURDABAD PAKISTANI POLITICIANS
today i have lost the tiny little hope i had in our political parties, they are all the same, democracy is only a game of interests and power, none of these bast*ards have any principles. nawaz gave us some hope that maybe he has changed, but all these people care about is coming into power. God help Pakistan
I am very much disappointed by NS decision and I think and believe in the long run Imran Khan would prove to be right. It is just a matter of time – thats all.
@ Traffic
We are going to have new leadership. Old leadership is putting last nails in their coffins by their mistakes.
People of Pakistan are making their minds for new leaders like Imran Khan and lawyers leadership.
This whole political phenomenon will take certain time to get finished.
I am waiting to listen two old politician to get clear
1. Aitzaz Ahsan
2. Javed Hashmi
They have been speaking a lot. Now it s time for them to show which side they are going to align.
In politics,Polititions do not close the doors or take extreme actions what Mr. Imran Khan has done.I do like Imran and always prefer to others But asdly he has to learn a lot and he will be a good politition Inshallah.Please do remember when PPP boycot the election during 1985 and the result was non-political forces became dominent in the parliament.Therefore never leave a space for these forces to occupy this vaccum created by immeture decition of boycot.Politics is not something idealism.I never consider NS as a national level politition rather I consider him either proncial Or district level.Imran has the capacity to lead this nation But he has to go till NS and BB make more mistakes.Also Imran should learn that the politics of conforntation does not work as this lesson can be taken from JI.JI was never able to get more than 2% votes.The reason is simple that the public do like confrontation for the time beig.
Regards,
MH
May Allah give us wisdom and we get the courage to stand for our principles.
When leadership is confused what you can expect from the rest? By the way I am not sure if they are confused. I believe BB has under hand deals with Mush that is why she is clearly NOT demanding the restoration of judges. In charter of demands, when it came to restoration of judges, she left for Dubai.
Opposition remained divided throughout 5 years. At some times, MMA stabbed and at other times PPP stabbed. Can you talk of a single incident when PML N sided with Govt. or compromised on any point whether it was 17th amendment or charter of democracy.
What did PML N get from the principle stand? The opposition never even demanded for end of NS exile. No body gave any weightage to the sacrifice of Saeed uz Zaman Siddiqui and other 5 SC judges who refused to take oath under PCO in 1999.
Today again if NS boycotted, he will be made history and he will be stabbed again. He has to face difficult situation and from the election he will not get the Govt. but what ever resources, he will have, he will continue his opposition and will stand against Mush and fellow generals. He will keep the struggle alive for the restoration of judges. I am sure even after going in assemblies, BB will never demand the restoration of judges. BB and Q League together will legalize the Nov. 3 action of Mush with 2/3rd majority in case PML N boycotts. As in case of boycott, no one will stop them from getting the 2/3rd majority in assembly.
I am in favor of boycott only if PPP boycotts because otherwise the boycott will NOT be meaningful and will definitely go against PML N. There is no other party boycotting which has that big following in masses.
It is good to know that Jamat Islami and Imran Khan are doing good.
This sentence “Maidan Khulla chorna” is exactly the same meanings which Musharaf use all the times to cheat Pakistan “Sab Sai Pehlai Pakistan”.
Agar judges chahtai tu woh bhee PCO kai tehat half utha kar medan khulla na chortai in corrupt judges kai liay
but they didn’t and now every one can see how much respect they are getting from TRUE PAKISTANIS.
If these politician are sincere to the nation they must leave this musical chair game, and not compromise on basic principal.
[Only solution for this nation is we all should do TOBA (Isthigfar) on our wrong doings and try our best to keep away from wrong doings. i.e. we should do MUHASABA ourselves first.]
this is all part of the “brotherly advice” that king abdullah of saudi arabia gave to nawaz, all bold statements and everything else was a drama. these politicians and generals only care about themselves, and keep making fools of the people, and our so-called “friends” in the international community are equally to blame for our miseries. i hope the lawyers, journalists, students and civil society keeps up the struggle against these generals and politicians, the people fully support them. inshallah we will see revolution in pakistan. we cant get rid of these bast*rds otherwise. if we dont stand up now then its another roller-coster ride of alternations between army and “democracy” for the next 60 years as well. same wine new bottle.
I still remember and now understand Justice Wajih Statement that there will be another election within next 6 months.
I am sure Jan 8 election will happen and resultant partliment will not get along with
Musharuf because it will have Musharaaf Foes and also riging allegations.
Secondly, Any american govt (Musharaf & team) cannot handle law and order like attack on on PAF base in Peshawar yesterdays. This team will have more foes in general public rather than freinds.
Any genuine anti american party (like PTI) will have good chance in that case.
Imran is playing for long term gains rather than short term gains. Goow Work PTI.
@MH
There is a hell of difference between the circumstances of 1985 and those of current political era.
At that time 60% real judges where on not under house arrest. At that time the people of Pakistan where not conscious about their judiciary. At that time BB and NZ had not been exposed because of their corruption, deals and double standards.
At that time PPP came in power with force in succeeding election and now PPP is going to out forever due to it participation in elections to rescue at bloody martial dictator.
Believe me, this is political death of those who are going to participate in election not those who are boycotting.
People of Pakistan are quite sharp and wise and honor only those who deserve.
Who knows Iftikhar Ch. before 9th March but when stood for right this nation ‘s support for him surprised the whole world.
Who knows Mr. Jinnah. He lived most of his life in G. Britain. He wasn’t able to even speak clear Urdu but when this nation knew he is sincere they supported and stood with him unprecedentedly.
This is the election which is going to held with a murder of judiciary, and parties which will participate in this election will also be the murderer like Musharraf and pro Mushrraf parties.
Now the best thing to do by the popular democratic forces is to form a loose alliance or do seat adjustments against the PMLQ to effectively isolate Musharraf and try to get as many seats as possible in the future parliment. This would be tantamount to pushing back the frontiers of establishment in the corridors of power.
“Brutus, you too”.
The only legal way – and I repeat legal way of removing Musharraf is coup by Gen Kiyani – because SC has already sanctioned that – these political parties dont have guts to stand up to Musharraf and they are following dictates of the foreign governments.
maan i agree with you hundred percent. I take my words back about supporting NS for participating in the elections. This is very different from 1985 and plus in that within three years BB was in power in 1988.
But remember one thing – 1985 gave us a very good Prime Minister – Junejo – may Allah bless him – who single handedly did for Pakistan then BB could do.
BB is power hungry politician – no doubt about that.
@ maan
i have to disagree with your claim that people of pakistan always honour their heroes. jinnah died while waiting hours for an ambulance. liaqat ali khan was killed. bhutto was hanged(if u can call him a hero for starting our nuclear program). AQ Khan was humiliated in front of the nation on TV and then put under house arrest for the rest of his life. nawaz sharif(only considering him for detonating nuclear bombs) was sentenced and sent into exile. our tribal people who liberated azad kashmir for us, they are being killed ercilessly today. bengalis who took important part in the pakistan movement were killed in millions and discriminated against before they seperated. our national hero chief justice chaudhry was humiliated and twice shown the door for speaking the truth and providing justice. our lawyers and journalists are beaten brutally whenever they protest. i can go on and on. we have never EVER given due respect and honour to our heroes. if the people cared and honoured our heroes, they would have done something for them. soon chief justice will also be forgotten after elections. we have to change ourselves as a nation, i can see that change coming. for the first time we are standing up for our rights and are aware of them. these politicains havent realized that this is a changed pakistan, that is why they are continuing with their old tactics. soon inshallah we will bring an end to all of this crap. Allah doesnt change the condition of a people until they change themselves, inshallah i can see the change coming. lets pray that the struggle continues until we reach our goal.
I just spoke to a journalist friend of mine in Pakistan. He had some valid points.
He said:
1. Imran Khan is not after a few seats. Even if he contests these elections, he will win a few (maybe 6/7) seats and he will be as powerless as he was after 2002 elections.
2. Imran has some principles. He is paving his way for a considerable vote bank. He can get more VOTES than MQM even now (a few thousand in 70%) of constituencies but that will not translate into many seats in the Parliament.
3. NS has his own problems. If he leaves everything open for Chaudhries without BB’s boycott, he runs the risk of losing many more people to Qenchi (Q) league.
4. BB has some promises from some quarters that she will retain most of her traditional seats. That is why she has to fight too.
5. Imran Khan is after a big scale victory/power that could make him in charge. He will not compromise because then he cannot deliver the promises he has made.
My friend thinks (and I agree) that biggest long term winner is Imran Khan who is not only building a long term credibility but he doesn’t seem to care what other parties are doing. Biggest losers are Chaudhries who find it very difficult to win without state assistance and no party is willing to accept them.
In the world of globalization how come our leaders have their own say. Our history is not as strong as Irans’. We have still not figure out where our history starts from – Bin Qasim or thousands years before? who is son of soil?
Clhussian: as an alternative to your suggestion, I would suggest you to read todays’ column of Javed Ch. in express.com.pk
Instead, we have to stand up ourselves.
So after the question of polls is settled , I would like to put few questions:
1. Would Mad dictator allow PPP+PML(N) allow 40%-50% seats in National Assembly (i.e. 108-136 seats)?
2. Would PPP settle for less than 125 seats (PPP took 59 seats in 2002) in National Assembly.
3. What will be the PML(N) factor in Punjab. In election 2002 took 16 seats in National Assembly majority of them from Punjab, it took 28 provincial seats in Punjab.
4. What will be the impact of election’s fever on movement for restoration of Judges.
5. How much furious will be the outcry of rigging after the election.
6. Is the mad dictator (read army) in complete control of the situation now.
I will try to answer these questions later on and may ask the admin to put these questions as separate discussion threads.
@ clhussain
sorry bro, but you are still looking towards kayani for a change. we have to change our mindset, the army should have no role in our politics. kayani musharraf etc. they are all the same, all power-hungry and money-hungry generals. the army’s job is to defend our borders, not to interfere in our politics or to kill our own people. please do not put any hopes on kayani, he has his loyalties to america foremost, just like musharraf.
Tehrik -e- Insaaf is doing right by not taking part. There is no point winning a few seats.
Imran should go all the way and mobilise more and more people. He should start an education charity. He will benefit the most from education masses.
I think not taking part in these sham elections is a right decision.
I understand that PML N was forced to take that decision for survival reason.
But it is a right time to join Imran khan’s party because it is the party of future.
@clhussain
First of all we have to understand Musharraf being President is supreme commander of armed forces.Kiyani sits in GHQ and traditionaly COAS orders Corps commander Rawalpindi which is 10th Corps to send troops to take control of PTV,Prime minister house,Presindent house etc etc.For which 111 brigade has become famous.Right now Musharraf can dismiss Kiyani any time he feels threatened.AS long he has his loyalist controling two key positions besides COAS which are Head of ISI and 10th corps commander he feel safe.
Its always a combination of COAS, corps commmander 10th corps, and few other senior corps commanders who can take any action.
In my opinion Kiyani is in no position to implement supreme court order against PCO.
Imran Khan is STUPID.
He SHOULD fight the elections otherwise it is the end of political career.
*his political career
@ Feroz
Imran Khan knows what he is doing. He says that winning a few seats is not gonna make much difference and this will destroy his traditional principles approach.
Since you are intelligent, why don’t you go and take part in elections. Calling others stup*d proves that YOU ARE MAD.
I wish Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif had gone in lections together.
@ Feroz
He thinks big.
Where you stop thinking he starts much beyond that point.
@ Ahmed Bhai
“e tu brutus”
Wajid Malik on December 9th, 2007 7:26 pm
has done some good and very sensible analysis above. I urge people to read these comments
Boycott is the best option as far as Imran Khan is concerned.
Contesting elections is best option for Nawaz Sharif as he has to strengthen his party for future by using his vote bank.
Q1. Would Mad dictator allow PPP+PML(N) allow 40%-50% seats in National Assembly (i.e. 108-136 seats)?
Ans: In the last election (2002) , PPP won 59 seats and PML(N) won 18 , so the total was 77 seats, this time the equation is very different , PPP believes that they are very popular and in 2002 there was heavy rigging , so if the elections are supposedly “free and fair” it deserves more than 100 seats , since Nawaz Sharif is now in Pakistan and will be leading the campaign, and the western opinion polls suggest that Nawaz Sharif is very popular in Punjab hence PML(N) thinks that they will have significantly more seats in this election.
But the question is can the mad dictator afford to give that many seats to PPP+PML(N) , the answer is “NO” , mad dictator has committed many mistakes and he has not yet committed the ultimate mistake yet. So I believe PPP is going to get 80-90 seats in the coming election with PML(N) staying the same , PML(Q) will get arround 130 seats.
Real politics should reflect the aspirations of the people not the politicians own lust for power. the proponents of this ‘khula maidaan’ theory have only one objective in their mind and that is to seize power at the earliest (isay kehtay hain aankh main soor ka baal ana).
we are proud of everyone of these judges, lawyers, media persons, rights activist, member of the civil society and politicians who are standing firm for civil rights,justice, and true democracy that protects the peoples intrests (not their own). they have acheived far more in these 9 months than those lotas ever did. these politicians may fool themselves but it was the lawyers movement that forced musharraf on his knees, were it not for these great judges and lawyers ye lotay politicians aaj pakistan main wapas tak nahin a saktay thay. the lawyers and medias movement for freedom exists independant of these lotas and they would do well by not forgetting that musharrafs downfall began when he tried to mess with the judiciary and media (seems every premier make this mistake before their political demise ).
Now it depends on the real mood of the people, how they would go for protests with IK or go for elections.
This is in itslef very good food for thought to the people(would enhance their political awareness)
And its always good to make people politically aware so that they can decide better next time.
@peterpan
Try to understand – Musharraf is an illegal president as he has no basis for his election – so if Kiyani orders removal of Musharraf then army would follow Kiyani and not Musharraf. Musharraf has no right to dismiss Kiyani because he is an illegal President himself.
True it would depend on teh conditions in teh country – if they go from bad to worse – it can happen and army can decide as an institution to act together and act fast.
If Musharraf was so powerful he would have never removed his uniform. Inwardly he is very very weak but it is an outside facade which makes him act.
Politics is not about careers, it’s about service and commitments to the people.
Many of you may disagree, but i stand by both Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif. Imran Khan would carry on a movement outside parliment against Musharraf, where as Nawaz Sharif can stop a 2/3rd majority of PML Q and thus stop them legalizing the stupid PCO.
I think under the current circumstances, that’s the best package. Remember this country is still largely driven by Army. We can not afford by any means to give a FREE hand to the hand-picked political people of Army.
So pressure from outside parliment by Imran Khan + Qazi + Lawyers, and then from with in parliment by PML(N) would be good.
@Malek
No doubt, NS took a right decision to protect his own interests, his family ‘s politics and that of his party but where do Pakistan and its people stand?
And what about the statements and loud claims he made during his visit to Ramday and Khawaja Sharif?
Real leaders never behave like that but they stand and honor their words.
It’s disappointing that all the opposition parties failed to unite together to bycott the polls unless the restoration of judiciary, but not this is not the end of the game. There is a second option available which can be exercised to achieve the above mentioned goals. That is; All the opposition parties should join their hands and contest the polls with one common goals to defeat MQM and PML-Q group. After gaininig two third majority in the parliament, two fundamental objectives can be fulfilled as follows.
. elect new president
. restore independent judiciary
. Reinstate all the judges.
In my opinion, Mush will leave if MQM and PML-Q are defeated. He has expressed his views clearly and has indicated his intention to leave if the parliament was not of his choice. This was during his recent interview with foreign media.
So I feel that contesting polls is the second best choice and we must proceed with full force and in complete harmony and unity. This is not the time to be passimistic, but rather optimistic and we must continue to explore all the options in favour of victory. Too much is at stake now. Our Pakistan is in deep trouble and we have to come to his rescue. So cheer up guys and continue your good work.
PTI did gave a add in newspapers for candidates but then decided to boycott may be due to unavailability of good candidates. JI has again asked for a combined election symbol with JUI(F) which indicates that they may contest polls. If JI can not leave Fazlu who want to contest and APDM can not can not convince PPP and ANP then why should every body boycott? The election is important for future course of action. Q0league should not get 2/3rd majority or they will ruin every thing.
We should all be proud of IK becuase their is one Pakistani who is not willing to compromise on principles. Winning and losing is from Allah our job is to stand up for justice which Imran rightly did. May Allah be merciful to our nation.
Imran did what Tipu Sultan said.
“It is far better to live like a Tiger for a day than to live like a jackal for a hundred years”.
@pega
If Musharraf had become president legally (perhaps by ammending constitution by making deal with BB)He would have had no interest in the coming election as long BB doesnt come with a majority.
Now he has no choice but to have Q league and allies in the assembly.His Biggest problem is to get indemnity for his illegal acts.
Unfirtunately we are in same situation when Zia had to get indmnity after election by passing 8th ammendment.And Musharraf had to pass 17th.
After taking illegal acts now He is desperate and does not feel safe.He needs a parliment to validate all his actions.
There is one important thing to mention.This was not an american plan.They wanted liberals read BB come in the parliment to give Musharraf credibilty by giving
grass root support to fight terrorism.
NOw Musharraf took this action to save his presidency.And every thing changed.
This is not what USA wanted. USA does not want Musharraf to run the country with the help of Q league since they have no grass root support hence not fit to carry on the fight against terrorism.
Therefore I see a conflict of interest here.
USA wants BB and other liberal to come in the power.But Musharraf priority is to have a parliment who can cover up his illegal acts.
The environment is being settled in favour of elections which were considered very illegitimate a couple of weeks back. I think people should stay awake as to what is going on around.
Thousands attended NS rallies in abbottabad Gujranwala and other cities, but very few while visiting Chief Justice of Pakistan Iftikhar Chaudhry.
All NS supporters should come behind Imran Khan or any other leader whatever party who could work solely for restoration of judiciary.
They should collaborate with universities all over Pakistan, excluding Karachi… we don’t want to repeat May 12.
Can any PPP supporter show the list of the party martyrs on its site or any forum, because they have been mentioning a lot in public. i want to know how really were they important for them.
Let see the battle between the protestants bank & vote banks.
That will decide our future path…..So we will have to wait a bit to see the difference.
By coming into lime-light & keeping himself commited to his words, IK may or may not secure more support, time will decide.
But atleast he is successful in creating political awareness among people in general & students in particular.
@Arshad
That ‘s the spirit. Every Pakistani should think like that.
Keep your morale high as Qauid said:
“Musalmaan Musibat main ghabraya nahi kerta”
URGENT and Very Very Important:
Dear Friends,
Lawyers have been in the centre of the present constitutional and judicial crisis. For standing up for the rule of law and for raising their voice many lawyers were detained and hundreds imprisoned. Lawyers as a community have also boycotted the PCO judges, this being their most commendable sacrifice as it directly affects their livelihood.
Lawyers’ movement rests on the fight for the rule of the law and restoration of judges. This entails imprisonment, detention and non- appearance before the PCO judges which has a sizable economic cost.
Keeping this urgent need in view, CITIZENS FUND FOR LAWYERS IN DISTRESS (FUND) has been formed with the objective to help and provide a sustenance fund for the need based lawyers and their families. This support also ensures that the Movement continues through thick and thin.
The Fund is supervised by three most credible names in the legal profession namely: Mr. ABID H MINTO, DR. PARVEZ HASSAN AND Mr. ANWAR KAMAL. The Disbursement Committee is headed by MR. ANWAR KAMAL and to date Rs 1.2 million has been disbursed to the deserving lawyers and their families.
We need more funds to keep the movement alive and in this movement lies the future of Pakistan and the future of our children.
Please come forward and donate generously !!!!
Kindly contact SAIMA KHAWAJA, Advocate High Court – cell 0300-8414843 off: 5870300-3 or the undersigned for your donations.
With personal warm regards,
Syed Mansoor Ali Shah
Advocate Supreme Court of Pakistan
0300-8459240
Off: 5870300-3
Source : Emergency Times
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I urge all me fellow readers on this blog to contact the above numbers and possibly make as much donations as possible. I have not yet contacted these numbers as it will be late night now in Pakistan , but plan to do so as soon as possible.
@Maan
NS did every thing to convince PPP to boycott but he failed as BB is NOT agreed on restoration of judges.
Charter of demand failed just because of this main point by NS.
Still NS is very clear on this point. He stands for the restoration of judges.
You have talked about people of Pakistan. Can you tell me in how many protests have you joined in?
I have NOT seen more than a few hundred people in protests for the restoration of judges. People wnat every thing done without any effort and they are sleeping at home.
Had people been on roads, definitely politicians would have got strength from them and had gone for boycott?
Still its NOT late. People should come out. The day 2 lac people joined a protest in Islamabad, Mush will have no option but to go home and judges will be on their seats.
Though I am with everyone who is against present regime, my sympathies are with Imran Khan. He is a man of his words. Having said that I would also not criticize PML-N for going into elections. I know in an ideal world everybody should have boycotted the elections, but unfortunately nothing is ideal in our country. Mrs. Zardari,Molana Diesel, and Lotas of Q-league would surely side with Musharraf in the next assemblies and would provide cover for whatever this mad dictator did on 3rd November. Let’s wait and see how do the elections go, if they are remotely free and fair then all Lotas will be found in Lorry-adda toilets and not in assemblies and Mrs. Zardari will get a one way ticket to Dubai or to Washington.
Great!
This should have been done much earlier.
I must suggest they should set up a system to make donations online. It will be convenient for those living abroad.
Nawaz Sharif LOTA.
Long Live the Tiger, The Future of Pakistan.
One by one all the dark horses have been exposed.
The future belongs to the tiger.
Nawaz calls himself a leader??? He doesn’t have any vision. He’s the incompetent guy who promoted Musharraf to Army Chief. What a big blunder it was! Never again should he be in power again.
Everyone knows the elections are going to 80% rigged. These PML idiots will ” Jutay bhi Kha layenghay aur hath mein mein kuch nahin bachay ga”.
With what face will PML go the public after being humililated in the elections? Their answer is going to be ” we told you so, even the idiots knew no one should have taken part in illegal and farce elections.
I think this is a massive blunder and suicide on their part. Saudi Arabnia, UK or USA is not going to cast them the votes when they will have to face the music from the public.
How was Nawaz asking the crowd at Anarkali whether they wanted a boyocott and what he will tell them now.
Only a complete idiot would made such a blunder.
Write off PML as well now.
@maan
I shall be contacting them first thing in the morning and will find out the ways to make the donation. However everybody is welcome to contact them directly as mentioned in the message.
I hope Javed Hashmi is invited to all talk shows and shown the clip from Capital Talk on footpath where he made all the tall claims.
as I have said before, there is no way PML and PPP boycott election this is the deal they have done with MUSH.
Qazi and Imaran will be nobody if they boycott after the elections.
There is ot good option but boycott the elections is the worst thing any politition can do to its carrier right now.
@Athar
Time has changed many things in Pakistan in for the past one year, so who knows whose move is good or bad before Jan8th night.
Imran Khan’s decision is 100% right. He is the voice of principles and integrity.
NS does get a little credit for trying very hard to convince BB and Fazlu. He shoud have boycotted any way.
Imran Khan didn’t tarnish his image for a few seats.
TO ALL:
Please support that Lawyers Fund above. Put your money to the cause you have been supporting.
Remember you are securing the future of your children and their children. It is a price worth paying for!
There were no elections in the history of Pakistan which were fair.Every single one was riged one way or another.
But if you can see from history any boycott from any party does not effect anything. No one count how many people sitting at home.
One way in recent history any opposition manage to bring change is gathering million people on the streets.
orange, Yellow, or green revoloutions all of them are done by people in the street and lets just face it restoration of Judiciary is not something which bring people out of there homes.
Ordeal of Munir A Malek at Attock Jail.
Source: Emergency Times
@Athar
Just look at the slogan of PLMN, it contains three words & one of them is Insaaf, to whom hes gonna make fool.
Well
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/12/071209_floor_crisis_fz.shtml
Flour issue now in Sindh after Sarhad.
This is something which people can relate to.
@Athar
This “Aata” buhran is again created to divert the peoples focus from Insaaf to roti.
Again things are changed & keep on changing.
So no more food & sheltre slogans will work. come out from 88-99 era, its 2007.
We were told and we thought that NS is a different man altogether…… Ahhhh it was wrong. Who is better Fazlu or NS? One was straightforward from the first day (if all opposition boycott we will also boycott) or the other ( even if they make Shabaz PM, we will boycott…..only and only till the judiciary is at Nov 2nd position.
I think this flour issue has been created to make PPP slogan more pronounce in Sind, after all Sind is the province where PPP will like to have her maximum number of seats in national assembly. the deal is working in a continuous way.
I have the feeling NS will the biggest loser in this game, no support after the blunder of taking part in elections. Remember his supporters would never react, they would prefer staying at home, or might divert to some other independent effort afterall they are not blind.
Support lawyers movement. We might change the dynamics of our political system through lawyers.
Every one this is one must see movie
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-599098805530677622&hl=en
The lawyers should set up a fund in which we can pay from abroad and Inshallah millions would go in – we would not let lawyers go without any job inshallah.
IK is holding a meeting with all the parties(boycotted ones) to decide how they will move forward for the restoration of judiciary.
NS tried to hack the movement of justice by having photo shoots with the deposed judges & showing his solidarity with them, but when it came to actions, the same old lame excuses (won’t leave the field open)
Lets see the reaction of the people, as everything is crystal clear now.
I believe today is very bright day for pakistan. As it has cleared to whole nation that who are the one who only talk and misguid people and who are the one who simply ACT.
I had a hope that Nawaz sharif would learn lessons from his PAST and will not contest in elections. I had a hope that he will lead masses in the right direction by defying the WRONG thing. But He showed that he is also one of those politicians who only talk and do actions for their own benefits.
This day is very bright day, this day inshallah will bring new leaders in our country. As Every one knows that leaders are not born in days it takes years and i believe imran khan is going through that process. He has faced hardships and in those tough times he knew where his future lies so he remained firm on stance. May be his is not well known in villages and remote areas but with expanding influences of Media we will see that in next 5 to 6 six years all thse SHIT politicians like NAWAZ and SHAHBAZ will be vanished and only those leaders who stood firm on their stance will be in peoples hearts and mind.
We all should be ready for tough 3 to 4 years head. This period will be very low in our history but as we all know every nations rise from the deep low points in their history. May be these coming years are very low periods of Pakistan and from that point onward may be we see light of hope.
Musharraf zindabaad. He should throw these fake politicians out. Death to Nawaz Sharif
Be prepared for Javed Hashmi to join IK in the next 48 hours. I have heard from reliable sources, this is being ironed out right at this point.
The stumbling point at this moment is the fact that Hashmi do not want to let go of eliminating g a y Sheikh Rashid from Rawalpindi. But his friends are telling him that Mush has planned a victory at any cost for the g a y ba stard.
Be prepared for the news.
BYe BYE NS abd SS.
WOW…look at these clowns (mullahs, sharifs and Mrs. Zardari) they cannot agree on any one thing, they are afraid of each others shadows.
Oh, what is Imran Khan going to do now ? wait another five years ? by that time no body is going to know who he is. He had all this momentum going for him but as usual his JAZBAT took over.
Believe it or not Musharraf knows what he is doing. All these clown are going commit suicide (politically) pretty soon.
GEO MUSH
People of Pakistan should open their eyes to the foolishness of all the so called politicians in this meeting. The only credible person in the room is Imran Khan who is loosing his credibility day by day by sitting in the laps of Mullahs and illiterate industrialists. I think he would serve Pakistan better by being the head of BCCP. All those who think about him as the future Prime Minister need to have their head examined. In the dirty political field of Pakistan, hypocrisy and back stabbing is name of the game. He will totally get ruined by all these enemies of Pakistan who can’t even decide whether they want to contest the upcoming elections or not. Pakistan is totally set to doom if any of these politicians ever get elected for office. Wake up Pakistani people and save Imran from these blood thirsty lizards.
Mark my words PML-N will suffer the heaviest defeat ever, how can mush allow them to get a majority; the combinations in parliament will be PPP with JUI and other small paties of sindh Vs PML-Q with MQM, parliament will be a hung one and these Ganja brothers will be left gaping after seeing BB as the prime minister. I saw that many lawyers have joined PTI so IK hasn’t really lost.
@all
put yourself on NS and BB and Fazlu shoes and think for a moment…..
they all have dubious pasts….if they choose the right path now then they would have to suffer for what they did before….they have murder charges,corruption charges against them….they all have been the part of establishment and now its too late for them to go against establishement…..
if they some how decide to go by the principles then they will face the trials and will go to behind the bars….
its too late for them to take a stand on principles…
imran can take stand on principles bc he doesnt have many skeletons up in his closets except sex scandals…….
Well I was not very much optimistic but I had to give a chance to NS but he proved to be corrupt politician agian. I still have the hopes with IK and lawyers and civil society. Lets see how IK can mobalise the masses. I am sure NS and BB will try to obstract them. IK can work with JI and they can lead the nation and can protest and can stop these illegal election by helping deposed justices.
@ Tareq Khan
It is understandable if you don’t like NS, but by saying Mus Zindabad you have proven that you are agent of the same people Mush represent.
Proof of Pervaiz Musharraf’s JEWISH CONNECTION
http://jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/09-12-2007/america.htm
This is very influential Worldwide organisation that gave Mush Award and other receivers of award include SALMAN RUSHDIE.
we are so naive that we think that thieves would support judges……
put yourself on NS and BB and Fazlu shoes and think for a moment…..
they all have dubious pasts….if they choose the right path now then they would have to suffer for what they did before….they have murder charges,corruption charges against them….they all have been the part of establishment and now its too late for them to go against establishement…..
if they some how decide to go by the principles then they will face the trials and will go to behind the bars….
its too late for them to take a stand on principles…
imran can take stand on principles bc he doesnt have many skeletons up in his closets except sex scandals…….
@Javed
How credible is your source?
By the way, I am from his constituency of Multan and have seen him closely during election of 90′s.
One may expect anything from him.
Often he is a man of his words but we must remember he is a politician and has spent years with NS and NS has been making him elected from his own constituency after his defeat (against Shah Mehmood Qureshi) from Multan.
Honestly, I am not quite optimistic in his case but miracles happen.
Question1:
why you guys are giving free hand to lota league and musharaf???
Question2:
Musharaf’s statement: PCO and emergency will b lift on 16th Dec.
if it is so, everything will be same as Nov 02.(lykin musharaf koo koan samjhaye ghaa…lollll)
http://jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/09-12-2007/col6.htm
A column which is written in extreme pain.
Can any peron who is sincere to Pakistan can vote to Benazir,Q-league or Fazl? For me it is hard to believe this could be so.
Maan,
I have no reason to doubt the source but as with any second, thrird hand news you always have % reserved for not happening.
If you saw Hashmi in the Capital Talk done at footpath in which he blasted SS for not offering his arrest when the CJ was arrested, the news seems to be pointing in the same direction. But we will see.
@Haroon
Musharaf thinks himself a King who can do anything without facing any consequences.
As far as constitution is concerned he doesn’t consider it more valuable than his book “In the Line of Fire”.
He is got very serious problem in his brain and to fix that restoration of Judiciary is very important.
@Nawaz Sharief,
How you can restore the judiciary by contesting the election? Do you think that Musraf and establishment will let you take 2/3 majority. Do you think that by dividing the vote between PMLN and PMLQ you can defeat PPP? Do you think you can defeat Fazlu? Why you made such a stupid decision? Why you are so idiot and could not take the pressure from 63 corrupt industrialists and feudals? Why did you lose the chance to rectify and mend and clear your image by not contesting the election. Nawaz Sharief those people who come for your reception were there to through Mushraf and PMLQ but you disappoint them.
Nawaz Shairef you will be a history in PK polotics very soon INSHALLA.You could have made a history and left a legacy but you chose to remember as a loser and corrupt politician. Nawas Shaief I will have heart attack if I dont spit my anger here.
@Haroon
Q1: That is why NS has decided to participate in elections so Q aand PPP dont get a free hand in parliament and destroy the last hope of restoration of judges
Q2: If NS is in parliament he will be the one jo mush ko samjhai ga
We all know NS was brought into politics by Zia Ul Haq and he enjoyed till he was pro establishment and I am sure if he had been loyal to establishment even today and had he not gone against generals, he had still been the PM.
Like our CJ Iftikhar. Till CJ iftikhar followed establishments lines, he had enjoyed every thing. CJ Iftikhar, Justice Ramde and others took oath under PCO in 1999 and they were all acceptable to establishment. But those who refused, they were sent home and no body even talked about them. CJ Saeed uz Zaman Siddiqui and Justice Wajeeh are 2 of those 6 honorable judges.
But when CJ iftikhar stood for the people’s right, we forgot his oath under PCO in 1999 and his legitimizing Mush actions in 1999 and we are standing behind him and other honorable judges who have refused to take oath.
Similarly NS did wrong things but since 1999 (even before 99) he is suffering because he is no more with establishment.
During last 5 years look at his stand against Mush. He remained firm. Either MMA backed Mush or PPP stabbed all the movement against Mush.
Today NS is the only one with mass following which is demanding the restoration of judges. He tried every thing to make boycott effective. But BB again played her cunning tactics like she played after signing charter democracy.
If the nation didn’t vote for him and as a result if PPP and Q League got 2/3rd majority, rest assured they will legalize all actions of Nov. 03 by Mush. It would be just like 1999. When PCO judges (including CJ Iftikhar ) allowed Mush 3 years without elections and even allowed him to make amendments in constitutions and then 17th amendment by Q League and MMA legalized all Mush’s actions on Oct. 12, 99.
Finally I wish NS and IK had been together in elections and had fought against Mush team Q league, PPP and Fazl Ur Rehman
Rich and beautiful will keep on playing the big game of chess in the air-conditioned drawing rooms while the poor will keep on starving till death in the streets.
O’ Allah please help the poor.
I knew it….
NS is under the thumb of Saudies. Pakistan never changes.
It will be BB vs NS and co like Q etc for the next 10 years and then there will be another
My dear Country Men. It is so sad yet obvious
@jojo
thanks GOD That he also invented death along with life…..
bb ,mush,fazlu and ns will die one day also…
thats the only sigh of relief at the moment …that these cruel people will also see the face of death one day ……but the trublesome issue is that they will be get replaced by others and we dont need that…
so movement for change of system and restoration of rule of law shld continue no matter how long it takes….it will win one day inshallah…
time passes by so quickly and one day all these generals and hypocrite politicians will regret there wrong doing…
@ Malek
Why did NS waited so long to realize that if they boycott then PPP and PMLQ will get a free hand….and was he saying till yesterday that even if mush make Shabaz PM I will boycott the elections?
NS is the only leader (with street power) who can fight for restoration of judiciary on streets and inside parliament.
NS with his very sensible political approach has maintained pressure on Mush. Imagine if NS had boycotted weeks ago then by now Lota league would have taken over Punjab. Lota league was waiting for such opportunity. Also PPP would have taken the lead in Sindh and parts of Punjab…. resulting in 2/3rd majority for PPP and Q. We all know what this would have meant? i.e end of restoration of jud@es issue
It was NS who maintained pressure (until today i.e 4 weeks to elections) that election may be meaningless if jud@es are not restored. He made BB and Fazlu sit on a table and condemn Mush? Isnt that a big achievement?
By taking part in elections he is now the only credible threat to Mush to raise voice in assembley as well as arrange/support mass street protests?
@malek
Even you by yourself has agreed that he will continue fight but won’t be able to do it.
He was very loud when he was visiting the Judges & having foto-sh00ts with them and when it came to action, the same old lame excuse (won’t leave field open)
Rihat
i hope my above comments answer your qst
in summary, NS waited because PMLN on its own boycotting would not have been as effective as joint boycott with PPP.
There is no doubt that he or his brother SS will be PM because they both cannot even take part in elections! This shows their sincerety that despite knowing that they themselves cannot be PM they are fighting the elections…..because PPP & Q do not get 2/3rd to crush the movement for restoration of judiciary
Malek,
NS supporters want Mush out of this world. They will never come out to vote for NS in any serious numbers to provide him more than 10-12 seats.
They will take the option of sitting at home. They have seen what parliaments are good for in the last 15-20 years.
It is a bad calculation by NS.
@Asif
i said: that he will continue to fight and will fight inside parliament (through his elected representatives) as well as outside parliament (based on his street power)
@MALEK
NS is not bycotting bc he can’t go all out against establishment…he has been in govt for more than 15 years startinf from his minstership in 1981….he has way too many skeletons in his closet and he can’t act angainst the wills of establishmetns…same is true with all others except imran khan (who only has sex scandals which haunt him from time to time) ////aa.javed hashmi,ik,achekzei etc shld all jion hands …and shld fight for laywers….
A Javed
your comments are based om assumption….People of Pak are very sensible and they fully understand why NS is taking part in elections. I have no doubt based on his street power shown in his jalsas since he has been back in Pak that people will make extra effort to come out to vote for NS
@malek
you think that its people who vote…
man our elections are held in isi…on in polling stations…and ns is smart enough to know that he can’t make even a strong opposition in these elections…..he is going for elections bc he is ordered to do so otherwise there r so many cases against him which are haunting him and his bro….
establishment se PANGA naheen le sektay …NITHER BB NOR NS….they both have too many weaknesses to go against establishment…
@imran malik
its strange that you say NS has skeletons in closet but IK hasnt?
other than sex scandals what about IK statement of support for Mush when he first imposed martial law. IK even said that he gave Shaukat Aziz’s name for PM
i dont want to dig into past particularly for IK because i have a lot of respect for IK for his stance now and his efforts over last 2 years in particular
Malek,
I can tell you, people from my area, PML voters, wont be coming out.
People want clear principles and stance. They all know realise the current establishment has to be toppled to bring any change in Pakistan and they are prepared to vote. They have no time for games any more.
correction
“prepared to wait”
NS is the dumbest but surprisingly opportunist leader in the history of Pakistan!
Nawaz Sharif is used to make such lame excuses since oct 1999.
First time when he did leave Pakistan for Saudi Arabia when police were beating leagues on the roads.
Second time when he disclosed his deal with Saudis after supreme court ‘s decision in his favor to come back to Pakistan.
And today he made same lame excuse to go for election.
He is not that NS who stood firm against international pressure at the time of Nuclear test but new NS with hear on his head.
Better he should quit politics and start modeling.
@malek
for supporting mush and naming shaukat pm is nothing as compared to what bb and ns have in there NAAAMAAMAAL..
IK cant be blackmailed for put behind the bars for his initial support of mush…but ns and bb are in a position that even if they want to go anti establishment they can’t…its bc of there previous tenures…they have too many weaknesses…
All those who are participating in the election and claiming the restoration of brave judges are pure munafiqs and good thing is that these munafiqeen has been exposed .There is no doubt that postive change will happen and brave judges will be restored with brave people of pakistan excluding the munafiq politicians and those politicians who are not taking part are really doing a great job whethe it is IK,QAZI or AChikzai ,salute to these politicians and young lawers ,students and other coommon people who are protesting the just cause of justice ,they are joining the qafla Husain and other following yazadi path
@maan
100% agree with you…
and also a week ago ns and ss said they wouldnt appeal against there denial of cotesting in elections …but yesterday they did….
they just dont stick with there words…
they
(both bb and ns party) are too weak (bc of the crimes comitted by them in there previous era so they fall prey of establishment so easily..
@imran malik
if we rely on your argument about ISI, which i perhaps agree with….then we should never vote??
ISI can only play a part but we cannot stop voting because of that
today NS has proved that he is no diff than BB….
IK was a new bee in the politics in 1999 and made few mistakes but immediatly he realised that he can not trust Mushraf. He is standing with his stanc and that will make him a mature visionary and powerfull leader in the history of Pakistan and he will leave a legacy. Which leader after Jinnah had left the legacy. We can trust IK and give him fair chance and if we floating votes then we should give IK a chance.
ITS NOT ROCKET SCINCE FOLKS…..
if bb and ns would have bycotted together ..it would have been final nail in the coffin for mush and his coronies…it would have settled the issue of establishmen’s supermacy once for all…..it would have restored judciary…
but it didnt happen…bc BB AND NS ARE ARE NOT LESS EVILS…THEY ARE NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO RISK THERE BANK ACCOUNTS AND THERE OWN FREEDOM …FOR THE FREEDOM OF JUDGES AND AWAAM
@all
are you able to see my messages. It seems admn has been put me on moderation. Don’t know why
@Fahim
read this and lets discuss after that. this book is written by ex IG who went against NS
http://www.sardarmuhammadchaudhry.com/books/nawazsharif/book.htm
Tell me one thing – so many of you are so upset that NS has decided to participate. I believe the people who should be really worried should be PPP and Q because they are going to lose votes. Say if NS had boycotted teh elections – what then would have happened. Elections would still have gone ahead because PPP JUI MQM and Q league were participating in it and then would people would have liked to come on streets against them
They are not ready to come now – why would they come out then.
If NS had done it for himself he would have made deal with Musharraf and he and his brother would have not been debarred plus he would have asked his wife to file in nominations also.
Plus there is long time till Jan 8 – elections can by boycotted until then.
Dont sit in ideal situtations – try to make problems for your enemy as much as possible and at every forum.
I believe NS took teh right decision – he did after discussing with his party members and I believe that until present situation if he had boycotted – believe me nothing would have happened.
As long as army is with Musharraf you cannot remove him
@Malek
You talk about Imran ’s scandles…
You know this nation is very generous. If NS/BB had taken stand firmly on the issue of restoration of judiciary, this nation would have forgiven all of their sins (cowardly escape to Saudi Arabia to corruption of billions of dollars) but It seems the sins are so serious God doesn’t want them to be forgiven.
Sacking of the judges and imposing emergency was the biggest insult to all pakistanis. Bigger attack than India attacking the country.
Should any pakistani have any self respect at the moment, let alone take part in the military elections?
Will you participate elections conducted by him???????
NEVER.
Imran – they didnt appeal in front of high court judges who are members of tribunal but they wrote direct letters to election commissioner and he asked them to refer to the tribunal and they have refused to do that.
So please dont misquote the situation
I am sure there are many guys here who are upset because NS did not boycott because with his boycott PPP and Q would have got the benefit and no one would have bothered after the elections.
NS took the right decision in present circumstances.
@chussain
i bet you that ns and ss would both be allowed to contest in elections now…(ns will sit in opposition while pppp and q will have share in govt)
what would you say then..
p.s ive always appreciated your piont of view in most cases but now i think you r leaning toward ns and showing a bit biasness.
standing by principles is what needed in pakistan…this manipulative politics will continue on and on if no body goes against the tide…. i think IK is setting the trend……he will be remembered as 1st one…many will follow inshallah
Can anyone tell me whatever JI did with Imran why is he sitting with Qazi by teh way. The damage which JI did to movement at that time is irrepable and if for example JI is so moralistic why dont they walk out of MMA. What would my colleagues say about it now?
IK should himself realise whom he should trust and whom he should not. He should concentrate on making his party broadbased and focus on that rather than making alliances because alliances would simply waste his time.
If in last five years he had concentrated on strengthening the grassroots of his party he would not have been in this situation where he has been ditched and stabbed by all his allies.
ive always appreciated your piont of view @chussain
in most cases but now i think you r leaning toward ns and showing a bit biasness.
standing by principles is what needed in pakistan…this manipulative politics will continue on and on if no body goes against the tide…. i think IK is setting the trend……he will be remembered as 1st one…many will follow inshallah
what about if ns and ss are allowed to contest in few days…will u change ur opinion then..
chussain,
What would have happened after the elections if PPP and Q League were in and everybody else boycotted?
Ypu are right. Nothing would have changed… miliatry operations, corrouptions, lawlessness, fighting between PPP and Q League about resources, incompetent people in charge of running the show. Would they have succeeded? Would people have just settled down when they still see horrors in front of them?
I dont think so.
@Malik
Thanks but I don’t need to read these articles. For me it is enough to see what he (NS) used to claim and what he is doing now!
I have seen your messages and it appears you are very eager to defend him no matter what…thn go on defending him!
Lets see what is the turn out of people on this elections –
I would see how many pakistanis would have self respect on Jan 8.
Seeing these guys filing papers in thousands cleerly shows that they are all shameless with no conscience.
We as a nation deserve this because we have asked for it.
Rather than criticising NS , I believe everyone should ask IK to clearly tell JI to leave MMA if they are sincere. And if IK wants to do anything real for himself and this country he should give up this politics of alliances. He is nothing but wasting his time.
bycotting the elections was the pricinple stand taken by ik and qazi is with him in that stand…so whats wrong with ik appreciating qazi’s stand….
Javed
people have settled for now – except for in few cities – all other people are just sleeping. In Karachi hardly anyone has moved. Where is that crowd which came for CJ Iftikhar. Why are they sleeping. Why are they not coming out. They dont need to be violent – all they need is to just come in thousand and be counted without beign violent.
its no use blaming NS.
If IK feels that Musharraf is unconstituional why did he sit in that assembly for five years – and what was stopping him from doing now.
@Why did PMLN resign from parliament? Because it was a sham. Nothing has changed for better since Mush’s election (has gone worst). Nawaz Shareef sabotaged the whole justice movement by delaying. Time was the essence …..ask any political analyst when was the most appropriate time to launch street agitation against the dictator now or just after the emergency? It was all going in the right directions for the justice movement till Nawaz was in his palace in Saudi Arabia.
Guys if you go with the number of seats, JI was having more seats than PLMN, so no justification to go into elections on the basis of lame excuses.
Imran – what is teh use of that principle when you cannot mobilse people for that.
Come on this is real politics. So long as BB is not on board – the West are least bothered.
Plus suppose NS had refused to go in election which in fact he is not fighiing for elections in anyway and neither is SS and Kulsoon Nawaz but his party is determined – so if he refused to yield to his party – they would go to Q league. Last time NS only got 16 seats in NS – so you can see that
chussain
ns and ss will be allowed to contest….
will that change ur opinion
i appreciate your view always but sorry to say but this time you r a bit bias toward ns…
@chussain
With bari manadate last time NS could not save his government what can some one do just by going in assemblies. whethr it is tough always take the HUsani path not YAZADI path and by hussani path I mean always stand with the just cause and all those who go with the wrong cause follow yazadi path
chussain,
If you are going to go on official turn out figures, it will be around 28-36% with at least 45-49% rigged votes.
So you can work out the true likely turn out.
The point is everyone apart from PML Q believe there will be massive rigging and there will no legal recourse, why the hell take part?
Don’t worry its a month away to see where NS stands…………
But for the time being we are more interested in the next move of IK, JI & others, how they will organize the protests & keep its momentum.
chussain
your posts have always been awsome but this time you r gettin a little bias in ns favour here …
long term benefit shld be preferred over the temprorary relief.
…NS made a blunder of going to ksa in 2000…now he is doing the same..
few seats in NA are nothing in comparison to the real fight been fought by lawyers today…its a historical moment ….politicians will rue it ..they will regret it …but it would be too late. .
ik will emerge as winner sooner or later inshallah..
time passes by so quickly
@chussain
who mobilized students??????????
chussain,
So what about Fazlu? Was he right when he said I will only boycott if all opposition boycott?
At least he was straight forward. What about Qazi? He broke the MMA alliance just for principle.
Although I don’t like the decision to contest the election I can understand it under the prevailing circumstances.
70% of the population lives in the villages. Villages have their own political dynamics. There are always two parties and have a leg up on ur opponent is very important, That is why they dont boycott the elections.
In this situation not contesting the election for a bigger party does enormous damage.
I think they can still salvage something out of this bad situation. They should contest the election on a two point agenda
1. Restoration of the judiciary
2. No legal cover ammendment in the constitution al la 8th and 17th Amendment
If we assume that people have not come out hence NS was right to go for elections, will they come out when NS will complain that he has been done in the elections?
Lets see how many people will now come out and welcome him like they did until yesterday?
The valcano is there waiting to burst.. there is very big chance of civil war igniting at any point.
IKs mobilization of students is the biggest change in the current scanerio.
Hes successful in sending a vey clear message to the masses. Even the level of interest in politics by us on different forums, the credit goes to IK for his clear message.
Pls let us not ge carried away and ignore the ground realities.
People of Pakisstan have not come out to defend their rights. Hw can we expect politicians to aggitate.
If there was ongoing aggitation it would have been impossible for PPP to contest the election. And PML N would not have contested either.
I was talking to a PML(N) official today and I was told that the constituency organisation of the party wanted to go in the elections even if they were rigged because it helps make them organise and mobilise people.
@tauqeer
times have changed and after the independence of media people’s opinion have changed drasitcally….this assumption that bb and ns are the only potent forces is wrong..i think people have waken up and if the free and fair elections are conducted ..ik aa and all anti establishment forces can spring surprises and come up with flying colors…
anyway even if it doesnt happen then still one shld always stick by principles to be victorious in a longer run…remember what tipu sultan said
“SHER KI EK DIN KI ZINDAGI GEEDERH KI 100 DIN KI ZINDAGI SE BEHTER HAI”
how world remember yazeeed….and how wourld remember hezret hussain aleh salam
islam zinda hota hay her kerbela ke baaaad
Three weeks ago, there was servey reported in the press that 76% of the public are in favour of election boycott because they are dummy elections.
Has NS considered this? or was the servey wrong. Listening to the public and media people I thnk it was pretty much near the current mode.
if people can’t come to the streets that gives the license to politicians to succum to the army..???
its there job to fight for the popular sentiment of public…regardless of people are coming out or not..thats there job …thats y they are there representatives of people…..they get paid for it….in assemblies…in ministries etc….
@tauqeer
The people that we say on electronic media voicing unanimously for boycott, when asked by NS. You don’t consider them people???????????????????????????
@tauqeer
The people that we saw on electronic media voicing unanimously for boycott, when asked by NS. You don’t consider them people???????????????????????????
” was talking to a PML(N) official today and I was told that the constituency organisation of the party wanted to go in the elections even if they were rigged because it helps make them organise and mobilise people”
re these PML guys mega rich that they spare millions they are prepared to waste when they know they will not fair chance of winning? Or do they under estimate the Mush plan to rig his way out of this mess?
I do not buy this. Either PML are dumn or not better than BB.
@ Asif
I am sorry to say butif u try to be harsh on NS and RELATIVELY softer n mush..it will b supporting mush cause and not the democratic forces..
also plzz keep the facts straight..
we all respect IK as our natioanl hero..but political achievements r some thing different..
Students and Lawerrs had been organising protests at their own…PTI has nothing to do with that..
infact in the first rally of students in Aabpara, IK promised to appear there, but DID NOT and students were disappointed..
can u give ma single example afterrr imran;s annnoucnement of Boyccott.. where his part organised anyactivity??
u think jsut announcng for boyctt and then sititng in drawing rooms will serve the purpose..not at all..
and if u have seen IK in todays nes after APDM meeting , he was quoting PMLN reasoning for no boycott..to use elections for giving momentum to the movement..becos otherwise it is not there at all…
Borthers I am just trying to salvage something out of whole of this fiasco.
Let me declare that I have no party affiliations and by an large I agree with all of your sentiments but the fact of the matter is that the people of Pakistan have not come out on the street in large enogh numbers to help launch an aggitation.
How can the politicians take a tough stance when the public is busy watching the latest MUJRA on tele at home
Another main issue is that most of the people who r considering the lawers movement and media………r assuming that thesee uraban areas are…all pakistan.
but ground reality is different..
in many rural areas..people have only PTV to watch…and they dont know AT ALL abt the judiciary issue etc. (UNFORTUNATELY).
there the way to get people along u is thru elctions momentum and atmosphere..
@GM
i think we shldnt advocate personalities…
we shld talk ab principles …
just tell me that under pco. when lawyers are bycotting the courts and sacrificing on there bread and butter …even thinking about the political gains is a justified act….
@GM
watch this one & straight your facts, students participation in protest was only due to IK.
http://yasirkhan.wordpress.com/2007/11/11/imran-khan-lums/
@Gm
its not rocket science that if bb and ns would have bycotted then mush couldnt survive….
for me mush is the root cause of all this chaos and if he is removed then every think will fall in place….judiciary .media every thing..
so dont you think that after contesting elections pml-n and pppp are strengthening him
I think it is important to mobilise people’s support, and probably that is the only thing that might be salvaged from this election.
@ Asif
I beleive that Oraganisation is v important for a politcal part and for IK to convert a fan club in ot a politcal party he shud have and should foucs to build a good team and then a good downstrean organisation of PTI.
unfortunaltey he have not given any priority to this…
in JawabDeh with iftikhar, though he admitted that he spent 6 months for such exercise twice but then all the organisations left PTI.
i think he shud not have stopped after that and shud find reasosn for that and work on.
He whould first get a 16 member team before thinking of reaching to 160 millions..
at the moment, even in fair elctions , PTI is not in a position to win more than one constiuvcy and that also only for IK in Mianwali..
and u know wat..form mianwali also..IK can wikn only becos he is NIAZI..otherwise 100 shaukat khanum hospitals wud not have given him this oppportunity..
and may b u know that last time when he won his seat…PMLN supported him
and he did seat adjsutment with PPP to give them provincial seat..and only then he got to succeedd..
@GM
please comment after watching this video, This was a pre-organized lecture but turned out be the most popular one, as it was first speech against PCO, just moments after the imposition of emergency.
Guys just read this and i want your comments WHAT THIS BIG CHANGE GONA BE???????
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/10-12-2007/main.htm
its the 8 or 9th news from the bottom
befor blaming the external forces (media,judiciary,army,agencies,politicians)we shld do a ketharis of our selves (internal soul searching)….
we take sides and tend to blindly stick to our biased approaches….bb jyaalaas never admit that bb is a manipulative hypocrite …and now we can see that ns supporters are blindly supporting his decision..
i was ns supporter ..but im courageous enough to be the first one to admit that im gravely dissappionted by his act of strengthening the tyrant by taking part in elections
1- why are people accusing only NS for not boycotting? Why dont they blame Q, PPP and MQM, Fazlu?
2- why is only NS being made resposible for restoration of judiciary? Why not Q, PPP, MQM, Fazlu, IK?
Ans1: Some people may be helping intentionaly or un-intentionally Q/PPP objectives that jud@es do not get restored
Ans2: Because NS is the only one who can motivate street power as well as inside Parliament.
@ Imran malik
Its not the questions of boycott or no boycott.main issue is still the restoration of judicary..
boyott is a part of stratedgy to achive the main goal……and goig for elctions to get the momentum of a move ment and to mobilsie people across the country is another straedgy….
u can only blame a person when objective is different and not when stratedgy is differetn..
if NS is not going to give any support to mush on 18th amendment or so and also if NS is still stick to stance on judiciary we should back him…..
He has not filed appeal to PCO judges..otherwise for SS case surely he cud have got clearance for elctiosn becos his bail for the case against him was already given and it was ony matter of appearance in court of ocp judge for appealwithout any argments……..but he did not……
lets be honest and keep the FACTS straight..
lets not figt when our common objective is same..it will only help the dictator…
Malek
Because Qazi broke MMA for principles and Nawaz broke APDM for personal gains.
@malik
go over this forum and all the posts and u will find the hatred against ppp etc…pmlq is not even worth discussing since they are cretified lotaaas..
we were pining hopes on ns but he has let us down …so he will have to listen music now
Malek…..we have seen NS street power on 10th Sep.
i have heard that NS and IK have reached an understanding that NS would let IK contest by-elections from one of the seats vacated by PMLN.
This is the reason that IK was very accomodating after APDM decision today and did not speak against NS. Infact he was quite nuetral about NS taking part in elections. Deep inside IK knows that NS is sincere with the country and on jud@es issue whereas JI like always is doubtful
@gm
mush is weakest today…and if he is given legitmacy today buy electing in elections then after few months he will be stronger….
y to let him go when you can topple him with assurity.by bycotting..in a hope that we will topple him in future through parliament …
lets be honest and keep the FACTS straight..
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See the lecture delivered on nov evening by IK at LUMS & then decide by yourself who is responsible for students movement As for facts it was not aabpara but LUMS where students recorded first protest against PCO
@ Asif,
my point ws about role of PTI for organsing activities..
u think it shud contunue lie that only imran go here and there in talkshows or lectures off and on……….and this way we can mobilsie a movement…without trying for any particiaption of his own party??
my dear it wont work this way..and has not..
get your party organised and lead…..and also let it be more tha one man show…
after imran can u name a single person in PTI who is capable of winnign a single seat (in fair elctions ..
or any single leader after imran that peole know ..(i m sure even 90% of iK fans cant name other person of party).
i beleive this is the area PTI needs to work on..jsut closing the eyes wont help at all
Malek
Total lie…… Imran left before the press conference. All parties which are boycotting are meeting at Imran’s resident @ 10:00 today.
And last but not least
Actions speak louder than words.
@Imran
if you had so much faith and were pinning hopes on NS…you should respect his decision, which infact is his tactic/strategy to get rid of Mush and restore judiciary.
i believe we all agree on our goals (as per GM comments above) it is the tactics to achieve the goals where there is a small difference?
@ imran malik
YES..its tru that of today PPP and PMLN coyccott the elctions…game might b over for mush v soon…
NS tried his best to acheive tha..but failed..
it is not that BB want boycott and NS is hesitating..infact if BB offers for a moment..NS is there to announce it ..even til 8th january..
but if BB is not willing and openly saying thaat…and fazlu, ANP also doing the same…then we need to change the stratedgy…..i repeat STRATEDGY….and not changin the Objective…
from mianwali…Inamullah niazi is contesting on both seats of Mianwlai..on PMLN ticekt..i think IK shud support him..
if IK will focus on boycoott .in this scenario..then it will help mush party for rigging becos of low turn out..
so best way to resist will be to go in large number to make it difficult for mush party..
@GM
You know one very little thing, the people who are discussing on this forum is not due the path@tic “Nazriyya Zaroorat” of BB & NS.
But they are here when they saw some hope in the politics for people like IK.
Accept it or not its also a ground relaity as you term.
I think Mr.Sharif has made a wise decision. IK and Qazi shabib are out of touch with ground realities. IK knew he would not win any seats esp. this time as PPP and PML-N are sure to give him a tough competition at the polls. Its very convinient to call for boycott when you have a small and pretty insignificant “one man” party. One can afford to take the moral highground when there is nothing to lose. I am sure most of the significant lawyers like Aetizaz Ahsan will end up taking part in the elections too and that will make IK look like a real fool.
With respect to all the ExPats on this forum who seem to believe that 100% of the people of Pakistan are against Musharraf. Please talk to the man on street, any regular non political middle class person. Most will favor Musharraf over any other politician including IK. He has brought prosperity, stability and economic progress to Pakistan. Something which might not be possible if we had the type of democractic rule we had before.
Plus all this talk of a true democracy. Do we as a nation really believe we are ready for democracy. When 50% or more ppl of Pak are poor and uneducated, hence cannot read newspapers or afford to vote as they wish. They get told by there landlords who to vote for. Do we seriously think we can bring true democracy to our nation with a system like this.
All politicians are essentially made up of the same material. They use democracy when it serves them and abandon it when it does’nt. They use slogans like “Freedom of judiciary”, “Freedom of media” when it serves there purpose. These same politicians who are chanting these slogans today have done far worse things to judiciary and media in the past. So lets not forget history.
In the end, I am glad NS had the sense not to be pressured and manipulated by IK and Qazi shaib.
If Mush is the weakest today…..then the credit (other than laweyrs and students) goes to NS.
1- street power since his return
2- getting PPP and Fazlu (who were partners of Mush) on the table to discuss Boycott and also raise judiciary issue.
3- clear stance on judiciary – being on top of his political agenda
4- getting APDM organised to keep up the pressure
5- Disappearance of Lota League from scene?
@ Asif
You have not addressed the issue of PTI apthetic organisation..infact No organisation…and people doesnt know a single perosn of PTI other than IK..
this sis the real issue u shud focus..
not the other aaein baaein shaaein
@muziqmonk
which kina prosperity………
People are struggling for “Aata” for quite some time now.
Are this hype is also created by the ExPats
Go & have fresh air
Now if BB and NS will say the elections were rigged….that will be the joke of the century.
@GM
we are for a change & we are doing it quite successfuly.
I would ask hyou the same question on the night of Jan8, that where stands NS now.
Its a month away…………
Mush is stronger then he was on 3rd November.
How many seats can PPP win in National Assembly provided fair elections take place?
Please vote at pkpolitics.com
To all the idealist and fan of IK
This forum itself is an example that people have different point of view. I personally think if NS ddi boycott the election then the only thing he would earned was credibility. Now credibility has no value in Pakistan and NS knows it.
All of you guys know who is definitely running elections
1) PMLQ
2) PPP
3) Diesel
4) MQM Ghunda Mafia
Now out of APDM, how many parties has real vote bank except NS? not a whole lot. You guys stil don’t believe that we live in corrupt society.
NS will lose in either case by going for or against election. If NS boycotts then PMLQ definitely wins Punjab, and now in this case, PMLQ will become a bigger loser in election.
In either case we can hope that PPP do not help Mushin 18th amendment.
the condition (fair elections) is impossible, fair elections cannot take place.
@all
What a pathetic decision by Nawaz Sharif, just proves all he cares abt is Money and Power.
at one side he opposes Mush for firing the judges and on the other end he has decided to contest the elections Mush has setup, and is ready to accept him as President of Pakistan if he becomes prime minister.
Ppl like him disgust me. my advise to voters go with the lesser evil who ever u think that is. in ur opinion.
we keep on blaming NS on judiciary issue…
where were all other leaders and what did they do or achieve before NS came back? and why could they not themselves get the judiciary re-instated?
@ rihat
point is not ..that NS is beliving elctiosn to be fair..
this step is as one of the different steps to be taken to give resistence to dictator regime..
this is game f nerves..why give a freehand to the opponent ..any where…why not get him engaed everywhere…
please understand…..Principles and objective is important….
lets dont fight on ..if u like SABZI and I like DAAL…and osme one else lieks Chicken,…
yes if some one gives imdemnity to musi acts and supports him for his illegal acts..then u can say that the person doing this is wrong..
plzz get out of this confusion…
and dont help the dictator by this divison within the democratic people..
@ Asif…
that condition of fair elcctions..i m givign a supposed scenario…..
and my point is that becos of no organisation of PTI…it will not be able to win a single seat even then ..
if u know any such area or cosntituency..plzz do share with me…
and i think u have read my psot how IK won last election from mianwali…any doubts?
@GM
I agree with you….
no one should boycote…..
go to people …get maximum vote…go into the parliamnet….change the laws and bring the judges back…..
do it the easy way and better way…..
@Asif
I am not saying Musharraf has totally eliminated poverty from Pakistan. He and Shaukat Aziz has however brought a lot of economic growth and progress in Pak which was never seen before. Our GDP has grown by leaps and bounds and our stock market has never been better. This is not something which I am claiming on my own but respected foreign papers like Wall Street Journal have reported. The prosperity will eventually trickle down to all walks of life, it cannot change overnight. If you take the example of India, even today despite all the talk of India emerging as an economic giant, there is still more poverty in India than in Pak. So lets not be personal and talk about issues.
I would request that my dear friends refrain from the analogy of tiger. These days the poor animal is either found in circus or animal sancutaries.
ADMIN:
Can you start a poll, “Did NS made the right decision”
If we can get a feeling with pkpolitics visitors.
I believe NS has put his own reputation at risk for the sake of Pakistan. He probably knows that the elections will be rigged and he is not personally allowed to take part…..despite this he is taking part
reason: so Mush does not get the satisfaction of getting 2/3rd and get his illegal act of PCO approved by parliament
Oh ur the dmin.
lets end the discussion with that Jan8 is not for away & Now I will back on this site only after Jan8.
Enjoy the safe ride with NS
@ GM
Why till yesterday NS for boycott. Why did he say he will boycott even if Mush make Shabaz PM. Why was he talking big? What has changed since yesterday?
GUYS,
Please understand the POINT.
a) if we believe the elections will be rigged, and
b) there is no court to give you justice
then should someone still go for the fake elections?
Musharraf & Co will do the biggest rigging, at least South Esat Asia have seen. If you dont believe this, then please go for elections.
@ rihat
NS did say even today…that lets enter the elction environment to reach peole…and to get the oppoents busy at eacha nd every battle………..and the decision to boycott can be made..i required..at any stage later..
we need to understand that jsut using slogan of boycott is USELES..
point is to get the peole out so we can kickout the dictator..
if we support NS now and give a momentum to the movement for restoration of judiciary. only then we can have upperhand to decide for a boycott..
I believe our views about Pakistani politics are much more clear now. Pakistani people have started to understand it, although it will take some time to come upto spark but it has started and now we are getting more and more understanding of characters of our national leaders. Thanks to all sorts of media (including pkpolitics)
These politicians used to make people fool easily but it is not that easy now, I see many thoughful analysis on this web site not from professional column writers but from ordinary people. It is a good sign.
People of Pakistan are awakening for Pakistan, they are thinking for Pakistan, they are feeling pain for Pakistan. My fellow citizens keep it up and help those who are still living in fools age, they are also our brothers it is out duty to help them to understand the truth. I am feeling pround to be a Pakistani, I am feeling proud to be fellow citizens of those who have vision to see light inspite of extreme darkness around them.
Love and respect for Pakistanis.
Pakistan Zindabad.
@ Asif
why u r silent now?..
NS saying one thing today and second tomorrow.
Benazir is the real winner….. she will gain the most out of it. We will see how many votes/seats PMLN will get. In my opinion Mush won……he said he will have the last punch.
Now I have all the respect for Fazlu…… he can really foresee the future.
@GM
I will be back on this site only after Jan8 results, since now your openly supporting one partys agaenda being an dmin its quite unusual, better change the name of the site from pk to NS politics.
Here is what I think:
1- NS did not make a comeback to this country after making a deal with Saudis that he’ll participate elections and would not participate in any effort to weaken Mush!
2 – Why we people of Pak are sooooooo naive that we still believe that NS or BB would work towards any benefit or wishes of Pakistanis! NEVER, NEVER! They are ready to foray into our national wealth and power yet again.
3- These eletions are going to be rigged, and politicians are all lots and manafig!
4- Our only hope is struggle of Lawer movement. Lets put our weight behind them… let’s support them if there is any ray of hope left for us.
Lawyers Zindabad
rihat111@yahoo.ca
Asif please keep in touch through e-mail.
Thanks
@ rihat
i repeat the same point…
NS did not change any thing for his stance on judicary and for mush illegal actions..
its only the question of stratedgy to counter mushi party…in whatever form..
boycott and no boycott……..with intention and objective of restoration of jsudicary is gud…..
importance shud be given to the principle stance..for rest of the moves………good politcs is not to reveal ur cards to ur oppoent..so he can get enuf time to counter u …let the oppent remain confused abt ur next move….there is no harm in that…
rihat, I am not promising but I will try…
@ Asif
i am not @dmin of this site..i dont know what made u to assume this all..
and i thought we cud have gud objective debate abt PTI organisation and future…but i was suprised that u cudnt bear positive critcism….that infct will b gud for PTI….com on….
u want urself limited to jsut blaming others??……..self accountability is a more difficult task…but always with some rewards…..it will never be wasted…
LET us now focus on stopping the 18th amendment
STOP 18TH AMENDEMENT
using whatever strategy
GM on December 10th, 2007 12:38 am @ Asif…
that condition of fair elcctions..i m givign a supposed scenario…..
and my point is that becos of no organisation of PTI…it will not be able to win a single seat even then ..
if u know any such area or cosntituency..plzz do share with me…
and i think u have read my psot how IK won last election from mianwali…any doubts?
@ Asif
i didnt get you..why u repeated my post here again…
i was quoting ot my earlier message..that u can see above..where i mentioned how IK won the mianwali seat…i mena with full support of PMLN and PPP..and most importantly imran khan being niazi…and without that it was impossible..
so wats worng with that that?
Come on guys (Asif & GM) relax. Lt us focus on getting Mushi strung up. Let us stop the 18th Ammendement
Jabir Badshah aur Adil Qazi …
A story for little children.
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Read here
http://pejamistri.wordpress.com
read the 1st sentence, I didn’t addressed you when I commented about fair election condition, I addressed dmin.
So read your 1st sentence twice & let me know wat one should assess from this.
@ Asif,
but i thought as we were discussing on this all, and i had referred to IK electionability in case of fair elections…
soi guess i was right to assume u r addressing to me….
and if it was not for me and was for admin in response to some other message…
then i m not sure if u have read all my messages..becos u have not replied to any of the issues raised..
@GM
whoever you are, jan 8 is not far away to see the real actions from NS……….
Hes still relying on spin doctrine & there will be one more spin, rigging has let us down.
Next time I will do this & that……
S*tupid decision on part of the apdm…i mean wtf seriously, imran khan is the only sane person , no one will vote these jacka**es….Nawaz sharif has once again lied, in his speeches he constantly said to boycott elections and now he is doing just that. People will not vote these idio*ts
NS declared assets as he does not own even a car.Kalsoon has gold worth only one lakh(6 Tolas as per current rate) and hold a cash in the banks totaled one crore.NS has tottal property worth 12 crore.
May Allah Bless Pakistan as NS just one loan alone of 5 billion was written off in 1985 by the Zia regime.Who does posses all these huge bsuineses and house comprised 3 marabah land in Raywand.
Regards,
MH
@gm
lets suppose that NS had announce bycott…then it would have been a pmlq and pppp fight….none of them is willing to sit in opposition…us dont want to have pppp sit in opposition and mush dont want pmlq to sit in opposition …so there wouldnt be any opposition..
the scenerio without ns would be very awkward…they need an opposition…so they want ns to participate…
had he bycotted it would have been a unstable parliament..but they are providing the legetemecy and stability to the mush by participating…
and dont fall in the ploy that they can raise there voice in parliament..opposition in parliament dont bring changes in pakistan ….its either establihsment or street agitation that lead to change….with fazlu bb and chaudharies all working for mush they will legetemize any mush’s act anyways…so ns’s best bet was bycott which he didnt avail bc of pressure of establishment…..
he has been black mailed…otherwise he has to face music…face trails…shahabaz has sebzawar cases …ns has corruption cases etc
@ MH
exactly …and i was amazed too…
look at his lucrative life style in england …look at his life in pakistan for last 20 years….
and look what he is disclosing as property….shame….
if we can curse bb and fazlu for there atrocities then when it comes to ns we shld do the same…
i have been posting against bb jayaalaas all along and now im posting against ns jyaalaas who are showing the same level of biasness and stiffness ..non flexible blind foldedness…..wake up guies dont worship these idols…they are all manipulative for there agendas …
we shld not support any A B OR C …WE SHLD SUPPORT ANY BODY STANDING BY THE PRINCIPLES AND THAT IS IK RIGHT NOW..
and plz folks just take the word “GROUND REALITY” out of your dictionaires….dont use this word its synoymous to NAZRIA-E-ZAROORET…..
Guys don’t lose hope and don’t listen to Mush lovers. As a friend of mine just emailed(and I agree with him):
“And by the way, we will notice that many of the participants of these elections will join us after the elections (including some of the main Political Parties who are currently having grandiose ideas) and will lose their credibility in public as well, so lets not lose hope. Even if elections do happen its not the end of the world, the main game will start after the elections and will continue till the next elections (expected within 1 – 2 years under the auspices of true Judiciary). InshAllah.
So sit tight and stay tuned,”
Guys! less than 4 weeks left. We will be victorious in any of these scenarios:
1. BB & NS win: a big blow to Mush
2. Chaudhries and Karachi Qatils (MQM)win: a united opposition.
Use these four weeks in mobilizing people (even those who are boycotting).
@ shamveel
you can be happy for the time being. But we don’t lose hope because only Ibless is disappointed.
I have prayed and will pray again that whenever you or your loved ones are in trouble, may you come across with judges who deprive you of justice by siding with their ‘special oath’. I hope Chaudhries take over all your property. Then I will ask you (like you were saying ‘I told you already!).
@ Ghazi:
Interesting bit of news… a new caretaker government maybe?
Another shameless scam by Mush ad cronies:
http://dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\12\10\story_10-12-2007_pg1_5
A Big Drama!
Script is written- Everyone is playing their role at the designated time-
BB and NS playing their roles as designed at given time.
ONLY Poor and innocent are suffering-Whatever happen we will never forget the sacrifices of our true heroes: couple of judges- Lawyers and few journalist and the struggle of civil society.
thats the only hope we have.
Do not loose hope .The politicians who are participating in election will loose the sympathy of people and the struggle of Lawers ,the students will continue and and an interesting dimension it is free from left right or religious vesous secular ,one side staunch secularists like ASMA jehangir and other side is Qazi hussain Ahmed of JI,both toghethe are fighting the same cause the restoration of Brave Judges and the Rule of law along with the centrist and nationalists politicians lik Achikzaiu and dr Magasi of sind
Events behind Lal Masjid Incident.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/10-12-2007/col9.htm
NS and SS are lotas. Shame on them.
I just spoke to my friend whos one friend from PMLn is contesting election. The candidat told my friend that it was a part of the deal that PMLN will run Punjab Assembly and PPP will be in center and PMLQ will be out.
A PMLN ticket holder said that NS is doing all darama as it had been decided long time before.
Nawaz sucks.
No credibility left.
He just made every one confused, damage has been done.
he is a GIDH like bayzameer!
@tootboot..
i think pmlq and pmln will merge soon..
other than that i agree with what you said
pmlq wouldnt be out…they will shake hands with pmln……soon there will be revival of friendship bw old friends…sh rasheed chauhdaries and ns will be buddies again