To be honest, I don’t see any other solution except hanging Mush and cronies including the top brass of army who were part of coup in 1999.

If justice is not done now, then good bye pakistan. There is no other way of that except army raising against this blood thirsty mad gen.

@mkhan
Especially the generals who are now with tableeghi jamaat.

He is LT Gen (Retd) Mahmood Ahmed.
This character is to be found some where in Rai Wind.

Rest of the Lot have been retired or kicked out .
Present Lot is many years junior to Mushni Mubarak..

@faisal,

Admin

These guys in the army don’t trust each other.

Mushni Mubarak is still occupying Army house.
He was afraid to handover his COAS post to another person for eight years.
Now he is following Hosni Mubarak style of government.
He has his relative as ISI Chief.
He has his close confidant as Corps commander Rawalpindi.

If we want to survive and progress, we must:
- not let army to ever interfere in politics
- revamp ISI and MI by taking out rogue elements from it. It may mean disbanding them completely if necessary and creating new intelligence agencies from the scratch as such entities are needed to keep our sovereignty intact by keep the foreign influence at bay
- judicial system should be strengthened and made independent
- those who have brought this country to the brink of disaster should be severely punished so that no one ever dare to harm the integrity of this country for personal gains
- Intelligence agencies should never try and influence the political process
- Accountability should be done equally for the army as well as civilians

@Amir
Who is going to do that???

May be a Khalifa????

No
May be Mehdi???

@peterpan773
I do not believe that either a Khalifa or a Mehdi is needed for this. If we can restore the judiciary to the pre Nov 3rd state and revert changes made to the constitution then we can at least get the wheel into motion. Other changes will automatically come with time and they will have to otherwise get ready to apply for visas if you want to visit a city from any other province.

@peterpan I like the name mushni mubarak.

Thsi man has caused irreversible loss to the country. This seems to be a plot to break Pakistan into pieces,.

The article written in Rueter’s is not the only one .
Almost all major news papers and magazines of the world are writing about Pakistani nukes.

Civilian scientists who made them, should have kept control of theses nukes.They should not have been handed over to this incompetent and incapable army in the first place.
Look what happens when you give a big toy to a small child.

They first tried to make money by selling centrifuges .
Now they are making money by blackmailing West . If they dont give them money and support them, this toy will go out of their control.

@admin

@admin
I woudl suggest starting something on: “Why Kiyani is not acting on his own”
or
“Why is Kiyani a silent spectator?”
or
“When will Kiyani act:
1. Never because he is working under the Mush umbrella
2. When God forbid worse happens
3. When US gives the green signal
4. When a revolt from within the army occurs

I appologise admin

DO u guys remember that US had confirmed reports that pak army generals were diverting the US military. and US congress took action putting more conditions on aid to pakistan; benazi’s death is a message to US that if they stop sending money people like Benazir will be killed. It all makes sense that it was a plan of the ISI. what a rogue army we have. God have mercy on pakistan.

Let the world know that we are a much responsible Nation from the Americans who had killed millions starting from

Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq they are so barbaric that they have killed not only humans but all the living things out there

Do not allow one person or one party to change the constitution according to their desires.

Capture all the political party heads, civil society leaders, Civil and Military highest officers and Confine them in Parliament house with out any food and water.
Keep them in there until and unless everyone of them come up with an agreed common strategy, agenda and plan for the future of Pakistan.

And if they are not able to come up with a solution then they are have no right to remain in such elevated positions….. get rid of them.

May be that agenda will have some problems and weakness but at least that will be our own……

No Mehdi will descend from heaven until dooms day, so we have to deal with the situation and remember

Kick out all foreign powers from Pakistan release the free Judiciary and let justice prevail, punish every criminal for what he or she had done wrong.

Only our 100% own agenda can solve all the problems… with out any foreign powers

May Allah help us to save ourselves

Revolt in the history of Pakistan army occurred only after 1971 war. against Yayha Khan.
Army was demoralized after the defeat.

Its very difficult for Kiyani to take any action.
1. He is too junior to Mushni Mubarak.
2. He as COAS doesn’t command troops directly.
3. He has to order or to take into confidence Corps commander Rawalpindi, who is close confidant of Mushni.
4. ISI chief also happens to be a relative of Mushni.
5. He is now far, sits in the army barracks

@ maasiBarkate
Seems to me you still haven’t had enough of the army. Now, you want Kiyani to do us another ‘favour’. Can you guys never learn anything from history. Any interference by Kiyani would lead to something worse. It is not just a matter of Musharraf acting alone, he was fully aided by all corp commanders. Throughout history we have had progressively worse military dictators. What gives you the impression that Kiyani would be any better—his smoking habits?

I have seen the news on NDTV that there have been blasts in pakistan following Benazir’s death, and in a rally of PML-Q. I don’t know why Geo and other pakistani channels are not giving that news.

Once there was an idiot man who had a gun. everyone saluted him because they were scared the idiot will shoot them but the idiot thought everyone respected him because of his wisdom. he also liked taking “calculated risks”. but his calculator must be broken because every time he took a risk it added up to a disaster. In his visions of grandeur he thought he could not be wrong and his failures must be the fault of other people and so he started shooting innocent people….to be continued

Let pray for pakistan

@ maasibarkate

its hard but we must get rid of this psycho by ourselves. I for one think kayani staying out is a good thing. we dont want to trade one trouble for another. lets all start by commiting that no matter what happens the public will not look toawrds a general for the solution of a political problem.

http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/dec-2007/29/columns6.php

imran khan’s column in today’s nawaiwaq on benazir’s tragic death requesting all the parties to gather on one point agenda, no elections under Mush.

ISPR Press Release

Kiyani issued his statement condoling Benazir’s untimely death more than 24 hours after her demise. He would’ve been caned by Musharraf if he had released his statement without Musharraf’s approval. Gen Kiyani also wanted to visit Benazir in the hospital but again did not receive permission from General (retd) Pervez Musharraf.

General Kiyani is still having nightmares from the beatings he received from Musharraf whenever he earned Musharraf’s displeasure. Hence he has changed the motto of the army to:

Saari fauj, Mush ki naukar

ISPR, GHQ

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PLEASE DO READ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Plan 1 was to use BB to pressurise Mush to let them enter the US forces into pakistan so they themselves fight with jihadi groups in Baluchistan and NWFP. At first Mush didnt allow that to happen because he thought that it would put him in dangerous position amongst pakistani ppl. But when he realised that if he dont accept to US then they would get rid of him.

> Plan 2 was in place if Plan 1 doesnt seem to work out. Plan 2 was to get rid of Mush if he doesnt allow US forces to enter into pakistan. Then Kyani would have been allowed to take over, probably BB as PM, but Kyani supervising and safeguarding US’s intrests if BB doesnt follow the guidelines.

These were the Plans set up by US(Jews). Plan 1 worked out as Mush admitted and made an agreement two days ago that US forces will be allowed to come in pakistan early january 2008. As this happened, US didnt need BB no more because BB knew alot of secrets of conspiracies going on. Also US didnt trust her because she helped jihadi groups when she was a PM. Also they knew that BB very well knows that US was behind her fathers killing. US ultimately saw BB playing doubles games with US as she joint hands with NS. This lead to BB’s assasination.

As US has succedeed up to now as always, the biggest threat remains with NS, no other but NS.

Now what we(pakistani) need to do now?

The answer I believe is that all Political parties get together now as it is a threat to their country’s sovereignty. They should not take part in elections until Mush resigns alongwith his top generals. After that a caretaker government should form with the backing of all politicial parties and elections to be held. There is no other way than this.

This country is in real danger now because next year US army will be roaming around in our country and sooner or later they will get their hold on our nuclear missiles and technologies. After that you wont be able to save pakistan, thats for sure.

So I urge everyone to do whatever they can to save Pakistan now!!. Beacuse if we do anymore delay then this country will be no more ours.

Atlast please pray for your country, its unity and for the muslim nation as a whole.

May Allah help us defeat all the evils outside and amongst us!.

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I’ve just read the reuters link and i’m not surprised. The ignorant, uneducated Lemmings in America, UK and in rest of the western countries actually believe in this bullshit.

In my opinion i think some powerful group or individual does not want democracy in Pakistan.

I suggest some of the Pakistanis watch this documentary. Its called ‘War on Democracy’ by John Pilger. It talks about USA state led terrorism in other countries.

Here is the link:

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148&q=war democracy&total=3147&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

@peterpan

we are not any better than 1971 at this point.
Conditions in Pakistan are worse than 1971. It was one province at that time, now it is the whole country that is burning except for Punjab.

Her coffin should have said “Courtesy of Pervaiz Musharraf” to the people of Pakistan.

CNN is showing a non stop special titled as ” Pakistan Terror Special”. Thank you Mr. President you are going to leave some legacy for coming generations.

@peterpan:

1. He is too junior to Mushni Mubarak. ( Mushni mubarak is no longer in the army. But maybe psychologicallyy Kiyani still feels Mushni is the COAS).
2. He as COAS doesn’t command troops directly. ( He still is the COAS and danda or kaman is in his hands)
3. He has to order or to take into confidence Corps commander Rawalpindi, who is close confidant of Mushni. ( Can he chnage them, that si the top brass in the army and Mushni’s relatives).
4. ISI chief also happens to be a relative of Mushni. (Yes that is what makes one more sure of the fact taht ISI is behind BB’s murder).
5. He is now far, sits in the army barracks ( He is a goofy who cannot do anything. Or does not have the guts to act).

BTW I did not mean a Martial law by saying taht Kiyani should intervene.
He shoudl throw out Mushni , and put the country back on the tracks of democracry. Butmaybe I am too naive to be thinking all this. When has any Pakistani army general acted in the interests of the masses of the country. How can one expect an act of patriotism from them. when have they been the saviors of the country ?
Answer: never..

abz

For heaven’s sake this is too much to digest.
Have some mercy on us.

List of 24 countries without Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces

Those Who are waiting for Kiyani, read this article published on this website:

The Quiet General: Guessing Intentions of Chief Sahib

http://pkpolitics.com/2007/12/23/the-quiet-general-guessing-intentions-of-chief-sahib/

My Suggestions in the following order:

1- Restore Judiciary
2- Restore Constitution to 2nd November 2007
3- Declare Musharraf ineligible candidate for President due to F.A degree
4- Runner up candidate Wajiuddin automatically becomes President
5- Announce National caretaker government with help of Supreme Court
6- Hold elections under supervision of Law in 60 days
7- Let the new Parliament undo all dictatorial changes in constitution since Zia

Rasheed

@hasheesh
where is the rest of the story about that calculator..i wonder if mush still wants to keep it..
@abz
i dont think if bb became threat to Us in any condition…if plan1 worked out then ultimately bb was diverted towards roti kapra and charity works.
kher apart from that, it still sounds strange that army is scared of musharaf mubarak. subh sai pehlay musharaf mafia ka pakistan. darn…i was reading this statement by ch. shujjaat that ppp should participate in election; i was like is he ok or out of his mind.

@rasheed

Your suggestions are great. But hwo will they be implemented. Who will implement it?
Mushni namubarak for sure si not going to do this. There are a couple of options on how to get this implemented:
1. He runs away to Turkey one delightful night.
2. Kiyani takes over. But that seems to be a diwane ka khawab.
3. Army revolts . God knwo what will happen if taht occurs.
3. A revolution si Pakistan. Pakistan is in blood bath at present. Sp bloodless revolution seems to eb unlikely.
5. ????????

The point is that people are giving solutions without thinking opf implementatiion. Beinga programmer, one has to implement the thought or any idea. Otherwise without implementation, nothing si feasible.

Interior Ministry Press Release
We are revising our earlier statement. Benazir Bhutto died of natural causes. There was no bomb, no bullets.

@Kruman

Interior lie minsitry of Pakistan is capable of saying anything but the truth.
Anything that they say , put a not sign in front of that. The same way that Durrani’s statements were to be turned into negative, and then were to be believed.

Interior Ministry Press Release

Liaquat Ali Khan was also killed by Baitullah Mehsud in 1951. More details to come in Brig Cheema’s press conference tomorrow.

A tragedy born of military despotism and anarchy
Even those of us sharply critical of Benazir Bhutto’s behaviour and policies - both while she was in office and more recently - are stunned and angered by her death. Indignation and fear stalk the country once again.

An odd coexistence of military despotism and anarchy created the conditions leading to her assassination in Rawalpindi yesterday. In the past, military rule was designed to preserve order - and did so for a few years. No longer. Today it creates disorder and promotes lawlessness. How else can one explain the sacking of the chief justice and eight other judges of the country’s supreme court for attempting to hold the government’s intelligence agencies and the police accountable to courts of law? Their replacements lack the backbone to do anything, let alone conduct a proper inquest into the misdeeds of the agencies to uncover the truth behind the carefully organised killing of a major political leader.

How can Pakistan today be anything but a conflagration of despair? It is assumed that the killers were jihadi fanatics. This may well be true, but were they acting on their own?
…..
It is difficult to imagine any good coming out of this tragedy, but there is one possibility. Pakistan desperately needs a political party that can speak for the social needs of a bulk of the people. The People’s party founded by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was built by the activists of the only popular mass movement the country has known: students, peasants and workers who fought for three months in 1968-69 to topple the country’s first military dictator. They saw it as their party, and that feeling persists in some parts of the country to this day, despite everything.

Benazir’s horrific death should give her colleagues pause for reflection. To be dependent on a person or a family may be necessary at certain times, but it is a structural weakness, not a strength for a political organisation. The People’s party needs to be refounded as a modern and democratic organisation, open to honest debate and discussion, defending social and human rights, uniting the many disparate groups and individuals in Pakistan desperate for any halfway decent alternative, and coming forward with concrete proposals to stabilise occupied and war-torn Afghanistan. This can and should be done. The Bhutto family should not be asked for any more sacrifices.

Sorry - forgot to add the link to the Tariq Ali article above. It is here.
@Kruman

Interior Ministry Press Release

Benazir died when a kerosene stove exploded in the neighborhood which shocked a sparrow off course and collided with Ms. Bhutto’s head, fracturing her skull.

As for a solution is concerned, I certainly agree with the author here though I am not as optimistic:

For the masses of Pakistan and their political and religious leadership, the way forward is the very basic set of fair demands such as listed below:

a. Musharraf must resign and be made accountable for constitutional violations before a court of law.

b. The 1973 constitution as it stood on 12 October 1999 be restored.

c. The pre November 3 judiciary must be restored and all PCO judges removed.

d. A new neutral and caretaker government and an independent election commission be appointed to hold elections within 3 months.

Political leadership has to come out of their personal aggrandizement mode and put their interests and internal rivalry aside. Otherwise, this last chance would be there forever. Once its lost, we might lose Pakistan as we know it as well.

How will Musharraf resign. Someone has to force him to resign, He will never do it out of his own will. He can very comfortable watch Pakistan burning
( the way it is now). And so can Kiyani.
Who can throw him out. If neither Kiyani , nor the army, then:
The general public marching up to his residence and dragging him out on the streets.
Without his resignation, nothing good will happen.
So the only solution is : MUSHNI NAMUBARAK needs to resign.

Sahar Samay of India reporting:

Zardari blames Pak Ruler for Benazir killing.
The news was posted about half an hour back:
http://www.saharasamay.com/samayhtml/Articles.aspx?NewsId=91803

The dying state agenda has been promptly ruined. General (subh sai pehlay musharaf mafia ka pakistan) must resign in order to save the very remnants.

US diplomats are now turning towards NS; I think NS is also on the hitlist of Mush as NS will never compromise with Mush and US has no choice, NS will be asked by US to compromise and he may do so , but his condition will be to remove Mush and Mush will never let it happen. Benazir had decided to put Mush and his cronies out of business, benazir was killed by Mush, when intelligence agencies knew she was in danger why weren’t xrta measures taken like the measures taken to safeguard Mush? NS is now in danger as he is the only option for US and the only hurdle to Mush’s conquest of Pakistan. Now PPP should not compromise with anyone.

PAK MINISTRY: NS also at risk.

Are they threatening NS by this statement.
We should all pray for the long life of NS and his security and safety.
We cannot afford to lose any more of our leaders after BB and Bugti.

I don’t think there is any solutionto the current problem.
Let us just write history living in foreign lands…
Very soon, we will see Pak-US studies as a part of pour education system and following questions will be available:
1. Who were responsible for the elimination of Pakistan in year 2008?
2. What were the mafias in Pakistan?
3. When would Pakistan be mentioned as another state of US in the UN record? PK, US
4. Differentiate between the end of Saddam and Mush?
5. Draw character sketch of the following personaities?
a) Governor Shaukat Aziz (It has to be a person like him)
b) State Minister ‘True Lies’ AG Qayum
c) State Minister propaGANDA Communication Sh Rashid

Safe Passage for Musharraf is the only option.

admin

Keeping realism in mind, it will be very difficult to bring Musharraf to account for his crimes. The more anyone bays for his blood, the harder he will resist with resulting instability and bloodshed.

Musharraf has to be ousted but he needs to be given a viable exit strategy, that makes sense for him. Exile may be the only compromise possible in this situation. Political parties must make this possible for him, to rid the country of him without any further bloodshed.

The following first steps, if all parties can agree, will go far in stablilizing the situation:

Resignation and exile for Musharraf
Interim government by consensus of All Parties
Call off January elections
Restoration of 1973 Constitution/ at least pre Nov 3 Constitution
Restoration of pre Nov 3 judiciary
Fresh elections within 90 days

Martyr of BB has exposed Pakistan to dangers within and from outside. PPP is the only party that could unite all 4 provinces since it has representation from all over Pakistan. After BB i dont see any replacement in near future. BB’s demise especially in Punjab has sent wrong signals to people in Sindh. NS boycott of elections is a welcome step. But still how many of us really believe that was work of extremist elements? Beneficiaries of BB’s death are Mush and PML-Q. Well even if it was done by extremists, it tells us that may be Mush and PML-Q have direst links with those terrorists. Now many Sindhis are seriously thinking in terms of separation. They got that message that many in Punjab don’t like Sindhis, so they might start a separatist movement. I am sorry to say that circumstances are leading us towards separation. Thanks to Musharraf!

I’m curious, has any of you seen this news report before. It appeared on October 31.

http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2166

Here’s a brief summary:

“Why did Azaz Syed, Najam Sethi and the Daily Times editors
deliberately plant a false ‘news’ story in the Daily Times newspaper
about fictitious “suicide” bomb attacks on Benazir Bhutto by the fake
“suicide bombers” of Baitullah Mehsud? ”

I was wondering if anyone could elaborate further on this.

It’s time for Punjab to take the lead and try to heal this wound otherwise federation might be under threat and nobody can afford that at this time. It’s time for PPP to also boycott the elections and ask for independent investigation in this matter otherwise none of us would every know what happened. It’s very hard to buy government’s story because it’s just one sided story. If we can’t provide justice for this tragic incident than what good are the courts and government.

@anthead
Thanks for pointing it out. Remember that was a completely fabricated story, just like the current one. Baitullah denied it; the senator who supposedly passed the info to DailyTimes denied it. And remember Najam Sethi’s boss in a current federal minister of Mush’s caretaker govt. They are all Zionist mercenaries and do what their masters ask of them.

By the way, Baitullah has already issued a statement denying he had anything to do with the BB’s assasination, saying they do not attack women as it is against their moral code. This story by Najam Sethi, et.al, was to sow the seed in peoples minds that he was an enemy of BB. So you can say this was planned long ago and the fall guy already picked. Soon I guess Baitullah will be killed too — you can’t have a patsy running around — the Oswalds in these scripts must die.

if history repeats:

1- Kiayni will say to Mush: Sir people are against you, sorry we cant further support you

2- Bush will say : We don’t need this general anymore (like zia)

3- provinces will act like Bangladesh

4- to hell with bl00dy civilians: Pakistan ka mutlab kia; lathy, kody, martial law (zia age slogan and army rule)

5- People will stood again like they did for CJ

So the question is which history?

Hope 1,2 or 5 to happen. May Allah save us from 3 and 4.

The only solution is to make a new caretaker governement, reinstate the judiciary, free all political prisoners, bring the all guilty people from PML-Q and GHQ to courts. Most of them will deserve to hanged until death occurs.

/Saqib

lIKE IT OR NOT THE BEST SOLUTION AT THIS MOMENT IS ONE OTHER MILITARY INTERVENTION BUT FOR JUST A DAY. THAT IS TO SEND MUSHARRAF PACKING. THOUGH MILITARY INTERVENTION IS ALWAYS A VICE.

PS/ MY KEYBOARD IS NOT WORKING SO DONT MIND CAPS

unusual points by Hilary…
http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=5174

Baitullah Mehsud has denied that they were involved in attack on Benazir because they say that its against tribal traditions and they do not attack a woman.

The way USA and Pervez Musharraf jumped to teh conclusion that it was Al Qaeda clearly showed that there was a huge coverup and they wanted to use this assassination as a further excuse to continue attack.

A brother of my classfellow Asfandyar Amirzeb was killed yesterday in Swat. He was District Nazim Swat and Q league candidate and was returning from his campaign. I sympatheise with his family but one would ask from teh family wasnt it too early to go on campaign when Pervez Elahi had himself suspended teh campaign for three days.

What I feel , Musharaf and his politics is nothing but by product of our own political system. If he will go some one else will come and after a while will do the same.. It has been like this since long , we are facing political instability almost since ever.

What we need is something different than what we have in the name of politics.
I dont’ understand why only one person stick to the leadership of party and no one else can take that position till that person is alive. Why there is no democracy with in the parties.
Right now what I feel most needed thing is to postpone these election till these parties bring new people , new faces with in their party .
Untill unless we bring the democracy with in parties we can’t expect democracy in country. The system is totally messed up and ofcourse nothing can be done over night .
Whatever happened is really sad and it is really frustrating to see negative image of Pakistan all around the globe.

Harriri was also the US heavily invested person. this certainly shows that it also comes as surprise to the US. it seems that the unidentified members of Army/ ISI that BB described as allies of the “forces of militancy

@anthead: such tactics are well established now. These fake news items are strategically released, carefully timed with or even BEFORE tragic events, in order to preepmtively plant the answers in the public’s mind. Note how quickly the “the terrorists did it” kind claims are made by those who benefit from the ongoing lucrative ($100 million/month have been coming to Pakistan since 2002) “war on terror”. The answers are provided almost automatically, the news briefings already prepared in advance, without any investigation carried out.

You can now get away with almost anything by saying that you are waging a “war on terror”. The people who have disappeared in Pakistan are all victims of this mythological “war on terror”. Wives, daughters, mothers cry and cry without knowing where their loved ones have disppeared. Our shamelss rulers have sold the very integrity of Pakistan, our national izzat and ghairat, and done so very cheaply. It, this “war on teror”, is another version, a far more dangerous one though, of that the old bogey of “foreign hand involved”, or “for the sake of national security” or the “necessity doctrine” of the fawji tyrants of Pakistan. Their imperialist masters have now equated “terror” and “terrorism” with Islam as such. Many people, the zombified masses of modern mass societies who get enlightened through the 24/7 corporate idiot box, are now incapable to make any distinction between the two. Such has been the success of the corporate media.

Osama’s videos serve many purposes, one of them was released just before the Bush re-election in 2004, if you recall. The guy is not alive, as many have claimed (or perhaps housed somewhere in Central Asia) but the videos keep coming out. How many of these “suicide bomber” tragedies have been investigated successfully in Pakistan? We just see the head and that is the end of ths story. The moment the establishment claim that it was a “suicide bombing” or “terrorists did it”, one must begin to smell something fishy, something wrong. These convenient explanations are not working now, as you can clearly see. Nobody is going to belive this bullshit anymore. People want the real answers to these acts of tyranny. Many already know the answers.

What Imran Khan is doing these day http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/dec/29bhutto4.htm . Chilling out… -:)

@SomeOne
That’s a cheap shot. Is it a crime going to Mumbai? Has swimming and sitting in the sun become a crime as well? You have any idea why he is there and when he went there (I myself don’t) ? Why not link to this instead?

@Saqibt,
Agree with you 100%.

It is high time that coffins of generals rise from Rawalpindi.

@Gul,
Agree with all of your points except 1 below:
1) Resignation and exile for Musharraf
2) Interim government by consensus of All Parties
3) Call off January elections
4) Restoration of 1973 Constitution/ at least pre Nov 3 Constitution
5) Restoration of pre Nov 3 judiciary
6) Fresh elections within 90 days

Musharraf should be handed over to the residents of Garhi Khuda Bakhsh, Bilal Musharraf to Pathans, Sehba and Ayla to Balochis.

Let people carry out their own justice.

@nota bahi sahab
I am myself like Imran khan. However, I just forward the URL because he is always not in Pakistan (or gone) in most crunch situations. May be it is just a coincident…. Anyway he is no doubt one of the best in Pakistan… so be happy…

All I can say is that Kiyani “ka khoon safaid ho chuka hai.”

He is relaxing at home with a bottle of vodka in hand as the country is burning.

Pakistan is not demanding much from him, just arrest Musharraf and reinstate the judiciary. His act will be approved by the judiciary as an act in defence of the constitution. Aitzaz Ahsan has already shown him the way i.e. an army chief can retoractively nullify the emergency./martial law and all acts taken under it.

how to reach hospital, where to get milk for kids, how to earn on daily basis, how to commute for other reasons, get medicine ,….

perhaps these are not the concern of Kiyani and other elites! what a chaos in the country! added there might be no salary payment intime, ATM might not work, 31 dec will be holiday again…..

@Ahmed bhai,
Kiyani gets his paycheck from Washington, $1.7 billion a year. So the faujis are fine.

Don’t you remember what Musharraf said on Eid, “The nation should be ready to sacrifice,” he forgot to add, “for me.”

Kruman: the only reason i feel that kiyani might act differently is his personal background. He is son of a non commissioned person so may understands all this. Just before BB’s incident I read a news for a special welfare program for noncommissioned families and I am sure Kiyani will be behind this.

Establishment had been trying to eliminate NS and BB by political means. When the establishment failed and the two united against the establishment, BB was murdered.

NS too is in grave danger. Govt has laredy stated that he is on a hitlist. He was goven no security at all when he traveled to Naudero.

Kiyani is bayghairat.

He should’ve atleast reshuffled the generals in the army if he had half a brain.

@Kruman
“Musharraf should be handed over to the residents of Garhi Khuda Bakhsh, Bilal Musharraf to Pathans, Sehba and Ayla to Balochis.”

I LOVE this idea of yours, especially about Bilal

@SomeOne
I myself was surprised finding he was not in Pakistan. Now what could be so important that he did not return right away?

if this is what our grand and great grand fathers fought to make a sick filthy
corupt incompetent pakistan then i say i am ashamed to call myslef a pakistani and i spit on this s’it we call a nation.
get together and clean the country from the mullahs, we need to breath clean and fresh air. we need a new pakistan. burn the old one.

liberate yourself.

Both external and internal forces are gaining momentum to disintigrate pakistan. Today Pakistan is at greatest risk then ever before. Pakistan is fighting for it’s existence and is almost at the verge of breakdown. Pakistan is crying out loud for help from it’s people to save him. It’s high time to unite and fight together to save our country. I appeal to you all Punjabis, Sindhis, Baloches and pashtunis and all others to join our hands and work hard to save Pakistan. Remember that we all are Pakistanis.

I urge those who are out there on the street, busy killing innocent people and destroying properties to direct there struggle to remove the inhabitant of military house. Now is the time to bringabout the positive revolution to save Pakistan.

It took more than a decade to systematically destroy Iraq. Now Pakistan is next in line. Are you people aware of “NEOCONS” and their evil plans? I have been worried about their evil desire to destroy Pakistan for a while and now it is becoming a reality. I have been very open about it. Neocons achieve there evil goals by first, dividing the people of the socity, and then by by pithing one group against the other and let them fight untill civil war. Today, Pakistan is wounded so it crucial that we Pakistanis must unite our efforts to defeat these evil forces, and work together to build better Pakistan. We must REJCECT foreign interfarence at any cost, and handle our ownn affairs ourselves. we must control our emotion and restrain from killing innocent people and destroying properties.

There is positive news atlas, PML-N and PPP are about to join their hands, and work together to save Pakistan. I appeal to PML-N leadership to provide full protection and security to Nawaz Sharif. Paksistan cannot afford to loose another popular leader. Current Govt. is not going to provide any security and protection to NS because it is not in their interst. Nawz Sharif, by-law, is entitled to receive full security and protection form the govt. but, unfortunately ,he is not going to get one.

@andarkabandar ,
How can you not mention generals amongst the destroyers of Pakistan?

Talat Hussan on AAj right now. He too is shocked by the idiotic statements by Brig Cheema.

@ Kruman

you forgot begum zareen musharraf. where will the old hag go? since nobody wants to get entertained by her singing and dancing any more, we’ll send her packing back to india, maybe she’ll get a role in bollywood as kali maata.

add to above: Kaali Maata the blood-sucking whore.

I definatly agree that things are not going well however we dont have muh choices,ok if i dont supprot musraaf then tell me why should i support any one else.

@Traffic

Why is there do much hatered only for Mush what about others NS,london peer and Mr 10 % & SO ON …………..

Some new pics of BB shooting here

Answered Questions…

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2007/12/071229_unanswered_questions.shtml

Did anyone notice that the video released by the government clearly shows a hand with a gun that shoots 2 times. Even the recoil is visible. And immediately after that the explosion occurred.

General Kiyani
Gen Tariq Majeed
I wrote a letter to you people (along with Air, Naval Chief and Crops Commanders) about six months back, regarding the worsening situation of Pakistan. I am sure all of you would have laughed under the intoxication of your uniforms and the status that we are the cream of the nation, the sole counsellors with soundest minds, and who is this non sense person telling us that if no measures are taken to remove Musharraf, Allah forbid, our country will become an other Lebanon…. And now you see? Or still you are in the same state of your mind. Still some thing can be done, if you have any interest in Pakistan, you have any sympathy with the Pakistani Nation, please force Musharraf to disappear from the scene and appoint Chief Justice Iftikhar Ch as Acting President to conduct the free and fair election immediately after Moharram. In my view Chief Justice Iftikhar Ch. is the figure that will be acceptable by the Pakistani Nation (May be not by Some Vultures Like Fazal Ur Rahman & Chaudharies).

I beg you not to waist any more time, please act as soon as possible. If you do not act now and the situation goes worse and Allah forbid the things go beyond your control and then you feel the guilt and like General Mahmood you also think that you will beg Allah to forgive and try to find refuge in Raiwind or Makkah. I want to clear you people one thing it is not the matter of Haqooq Allah, It’s the matter of Haqooq Ul Ebad and like millions of others, I am one of those, and I wont forgive you and on the day of judgement, where we all will be in one Uniform (Cafan), in front of Allah I will demand these right from all of you concerned.

I will try to find the copy of my letter, which I sent you, some months back and I will post that letter and addressees list as soon as possible on this site.

May Allah show you the right path and give the courage (Ameen)

Inshalla Allah once the good people will come on the scene like Imran khan ,Our repectful chief justice Iftikhar Hussain & his team, Aitaza Ahsen,& The talent like this .inshallah Pk ki aise halat nahee rahy gee..

Hum doosre baton main to india ki baree naqleen marty hain.chay filmi dunya ki batain hon ya india say trade ki .. but yeh bat nahee soochty kah india main to 5 sal kay baad koi purany leader ko nah vote daita hai nah hi wo purana leader re -appear hon ka eligible hota hai . anyways …… soochny ki bat hai.

I wonder how come Musharraf is still in power? All people are against him, Courts have stopped functioning, law & order is at worst, leader of the largest political party was martyred in some miles from the capital. Judges are under house arrest, Media is restricted. Majority of US senators and media all over the world is totally against him.
Believe me or not. what i feel is that he is dragging this nation towards separation. Could be musharraf- Altaf Hussain connivance to break Pakistan. think about it!!!!!

Because in Pakistan the will of the people does not matter. Rulers don’t come and go because people want them to come and go. They are almost always imposed upon the people. To break the law of the land, lawlessness, is a way of life and everybody engages in it without any fear or regrets, from the ruler at the top to the man in the street.

One BEGHAIRAT Shortcut Aziz has run away and so will the rest. Can’t they be treated as war criminals…. deserving an open trial and hanged in public????