It is obvious that Musharraf is playing a very dirty game (fire brigade using pressure pipes to wash away and destroy evidence).

May her soul rest in peace and her killers are blown into pieces.

Who killed Benazir? Read the answer here:
http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/dec-2007/28/columns1.php

I don’t know if anybody noticed, but it seem like there is lot of haste for burial. Mush could have shown some humanity and opted for state funeral. No autopsy report, and quick move to Nodero in middle of night. Establishment doesn’t want it to prolong it for a minute.

@ econfused

Musharraf has not shown humanity, it is a part of his plan. Part of soft image of Pakistan (i.e. himself!).

He has arrested biggest ‘terrorists’ i.e. judges, judiciary, media, while peace loving Mullahs roam freely.

@ Kruman

BB’s tragic death has overshadowed Q league’s attack on NS’s procession.

Such attacks don’t happen without a ‘proper’ support and infrastructure.

BB was attacked in Karachi (support and infrastructure of MQM was used). BB was attacked in Rawalpindi (support and infrastructure of Army was used).

“The report said a post-mortem examination of Ms Bhutto’s body was not carried out at the hospital because the district administration and police had not requested the hospital authorities (for this)â€?

http://dawn.com/2007/12/28/top2.htm

So here you go, now it will be speculation about the cause of her death till eternity.

ecoconfused,
This is reminiscent of Bhutto’s burial more than 25 hours ago.

The government was in a haste to take custody of her dead body. Zardari should have demanded custody of the dead body and taken it to Larkana via road passing through the heartland of Punjab and Sind

Mush would’ve refused to give custody. Then Zardari should’ve come on TV and said, “They killed my wife, now they are refusing to hand over her body.”

I guess postmortem is done to find the reasons of death and find clues. In this case, it is not needed because whole world knows how she was assassinated and who did it. The only thing remaining to do the justice which will Inshaallah will be done soon, if not by the legal process then by the people themselves.

Optimist,
You are dead on!
Oct 18 th was dress rehearsel, Dec 27 was the real act.

Postmartem tells you for sure the cause of death. This article “what really happened” you can see multiple versions. You would never know which caliber gun was used, how many shots.

There should be autopsy done. It will actually increase the problems fro Musharraf as he is only left with “Enlightened Moderation” to serve US. It will create problem as Musharraf will have a hard time finding a PM who can work with him as well as have support from public.

I am reminded of the reaction of Mustafa Khar to the Karachi carnage. He said that this was just a warning. When, and if, she goes to Punjab, they (whoever ‘they’ are) will follow through.

FYI from CNN Some of you people should be ashamed of your comments

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The FBI and the Department of Homeland Security issued a bulletin Thursday citing an alleged claim of responsibility by al Qaeda for former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto’s assassination, a DHS official told CNN.

An Italian news agency says al Qaeda No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri began planning Bhutto’s killing in October.

1 of 4 more photos » more photos » But such a claim has not appeared on radical Islamist Web sites that regularly post such messages from al Qaeda and other militant groups.

The source of the claim was apparently an obscure Italian news agency, Adnkronos International (AKI), which said that al Qaeda Afghanistan commander and spokesman Mustafa Abu Al-Yazid had telephoned the agency to make the claim.

“We terminated the most precious American asset which vowed to defeat [the] mujahadeen,” AKI quoted Al-Yazid as saying.

According to AKI, al Qaeda No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri set the wheels in motion for the assassination in October.

One Islamist Web site repeated the claim, but that Web site is not considered a reliable source for Islamist messages by experts in the field.

The DHS official said the claim was “an unconfirmed open source claim of responsibility” and the bulletin was sent out at about 6 p.m. to state and local law enforcement agencies.

The official characterized the bulletin as “information sharing.”

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Ross Feinstein, spokesman for Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, said the U.S. intelligence community is monitoring the situation and trying to figure out who is responsible for the assassination.

“We are not in a position to confirm who may be responsible,” Feinstein said.

Feinstein said that the intelligence community “obviously analyze(s) open source intelligence,” but he would not say whether the community believes the claim has any validity.

For now, he said, there is “no conclusion” as to who may be responsible.

Earlier, DHS spokesman Russ Knocke said Bhutto’s assassination had not prompted “any adjustments to our security posture.”

“Of course, we continue to closely monitor events as they unfold

The blame game will go on and on now…the finger pointing will never stop….Benazir died for a great Cause…but hardly anyone will think about that…it is going to be a chaos for the nation…so many poor people will be dead….life is going to be paralysed for a long time….lets not be negative…lets be positive…Alqaeda did it, or Army did it, or America did it, or Punjabi Establishment did it…or whoever did that…surely will have real punishment infront of God…but dont kill poor people, dont consider all people with beards as Al qaida, dont try to give bad name to benazir and her mission….just have faith in her mission, and her mission was Freedom….for Pakistanis…Freedom of poor people…Lets work together for the REAL democracy…no General on top, no army to dictate us…lets dictate army with power that …either it go back to its home NOW….or face the END.

it is reported taht al-qaeda has accepted responsibility of killing BB….
It seems odd. BB was not a threat to al-qaeda. She was not in power and may not have come to power. Also, BB had issued pro-US statement much before coming to Pakistan. Al-qaeda being an international organisation could have easily killed her in Dubai.
What benefit will al-qaeda get? Why has al-qaeda not killed many who have actually tried to block them and gone for someone who was only a potential?
Finally, how come al-qaeda always acts in a manner - be it audio cassette of a threat - taht seem to benefit the perpetuators of the war on terror? Thsi time to, al-qaeda’s claim can benefit Mush/Bush the most.

Ibnbatuta

According to video that Geo was playing, you can hear two shots and then explosion. so my guess is that firing was to get everybody away from BB and then detonate the explosives. I also saw a picture of Glock which is supposedly belongs to the suicide bomber.

Lets hope we find out the truth this time and not have to wait 30 years to find out what really happened. Moments like these emphasis the importance of free judiciary which civil society has been fighting for.

@ibnbatuta
IT HAS NOT done anything like that. It is what America is pushing and the whole basis of that “accept responsibility” is the joker Syed Saleem Shehzad. It is HIS story on this “obsecure Italian website” that is also the basis of ABCNews’ Brian Ross piece titled “U.S. Checking al Qaeda Claim of Killing Bhutto”

@ Kruman on December 28th, 2007 3:21 am

Thanks for sharing the column. I think Irfan is right on spot.

@ nota on December 28th, 2007 9:21 am

I always find your posts and links very informative. What do you do? Search the web all the time?????????????????

Adam1,
The sad fact is that Pakistan has been stabbed and wounded today.
The situation in Sind can’t be controlled, not even by the army. Infact it will only flare people more, and that is why Musharraf may go for it.

Only the following steps can save Pakistan:
1) Musharraf should step aside immediately.
2) PMLN, PPP, ANP and nationalist parties from Sind, Balochistan forming national unity govt with PM from Sind
3) Reinstatement of CJP and a judicial inquiry by him into BB’s murder. The murderers should be publicly hanged.
4) Greater provinical autonomy
5) Slash the army to 100, 000 and start a program like in Turkey where every young man has to serve for 6 months.

@ nota

i will request you if you can send a featured article to expose this guy Saleem Shahzad, so admin can add this to featured article section of PkPolitics.

I feel it is really required at the moment.

@Adam1
“I always find your posts and links very informative. What do you do? Search the web all the time?????????????????”

Am glad. And yes, I do

@GM
I think there is plenty at this link about Syed Saleem Shehzad where I contribute from time to time…

Speaking of Syed Shehzad Saleem, he has now posted his piece on asiatimes as well…

@ Kruman

Agreed to what you have said, point 1 to 4.

Strongly disagree with point 5. But I’ll not debate it for the time being. Very frankly, I am quite disturbed and sad by the tragedy and more importatntly, concerned by its fallouts and ramifications. I just wish we are able to prevent loss of some more lives by calming the people. Most of the people that have lost their lives in the aftermath had nothing to do with BB’s death.

I wish we all direct our anger against the real culprits (and you all know who they are) and not against the innocent people on streets as well not against Pakistan.

@nota

I am happy that you are happy. So continue posting good links.

And do tell me how do you survive if you surf all the time???
I would love to have a job like this.

Shame on those who did it………….. Mush, is not it really the great shame, one like you deserve!

@Adam1
Well, I trick is not to have a job and learn to survive on less and less. For me monetary considerations are the least important right now. I am too busy feeding my head to worry about my stomach. You certainly don’t want a job like mine…

NYT Editorial
…The United States cannot afford to have Pakistan unravel any further. The lesson of the last six years is that authoritarian leaders — even ones backed with billions in American aid — don’t make reliable allies, and they can’t guarantee security.

American policy must now be directed at building a strong democracy in Pakistan that has the respect and the support of its own citizens and the will and the means to fight Al Qaeda and the Taliban. Pakistan is a nation of 165 million people. The days of Washington mortgaging its interests there to one or two individuals must finally come to an end.

@nota

Theoretically, OK. Practically, not possible.

Feed your head and not your stomach for a week, and we’ll be attending your funeral.

Feed your stomach and not your head, you’ll live for 100 years. If you don’t trust me, just have a look at Q Legeeeeeeees. They have not fed any thing to their mind for the last …… well…… about a century, I believe. And are still surviving.

well, it all was on the lighter side.

Appreaciate your contributions to this forum.

@nota

NYT Editorial.

What soever the editorial says, we all know what the people in power at Washigton want.

They know their wicked designs can not be supported by democratic, people based govt in Pakistan.

Washington’s hue and cry for democracy is just an eyewash. Who else but a dictator surviving on washington support will deliver to them?

Has His Excellency GWB uttered a word for restoration of Judiciary (the real pillar of a democratic govt)??????

Anyhow, nice to hear some sane, but faint, voices from the west.

People interested may also google George Galloway on YouTube.

@Adam1
Fully agree. By the way, lots of great Galloway videos on soiderednews

Sorry, I meant spiderednews

NEOCONS AND THE WEST TOO QUICK TO BLAME ‘AL QAEDA’ AND ‘TERRORISTS’ FOR BHUTTO ASSASSINATION
“…For the US and her allies, particularly Israel, it is essential that Musharraf retains power. Both the US and Israel are very sensitive to the fact that Pakistan does have nuclear arms and that it is a predominately Muslim nation and that there is a large element of Islamic fundamentalists within the nations political ranks who it would be reasonable to assume have a very strong chance of gaining or seizing power in Pakistan and who would have the Taliban of Afghanistan and north-west Pakistan as an ally rather than as an enemy as they are now of Musharraf. Power passing to Benazir Bhutto via an election would have been much easier to seize by Islamic fundamentalists than from Musharraf if that is their intention – another reason why it would not be in their interests to assassinate her….

A news item from YAHOO

A Vatican spokesman said Pope Benedict had been informed, adding:
“It is difficult to see any glimmer of hope, peace, reconciliation in this country.”

The interview of BB with David Frost is getting some play at YouTube, especially because at 6:10 in the video she says “Omar Sheikh, the man who murdered Osama Bin Laden.” People are saying that could be reason enough. Why Frost does not pick up on such a “huge” statement is certainly a mystery…

wakeupfromyourslumber has picked up on it too…\
Why CIA and Mossad work jointly to sabotage by terror to force change on Pakistan in geopolitical stratagem

Interesting spin to prolong Mush’s rule:
Democracy isn’t the best medicine for Pakistan

Another view:
Elections would destroy Pakistan now - Sharif

I agree with most of the comments, i too dont think it was or can be al-qaeda. It appears to be a very well planned professional assasination. How can a suiside bomber who is a about to blow him self fire 5 gunshots 2 or 3 of which are on target. If someone has had experiece of using AK-47 or Kalashinkov as we know it, they would know that this weapon is the worst weapon in shooting a target. Another thing is that how can someone hide AK-47 for such a long time (as reports say the person was within the rally) without anyone noticing. I think it was a professional sniper shooting and the bomb was planted just to put it in account of yet another “Suicide attack” of Al-Qaeda.
Who ever planned and executed it were very proffesional and i think we all know who are the proffesionals around

Bhutto said Musharraf failed to protect her: email WASHINGTON, Dec 28 (AFP):

Slain PPP leader Benazir Bhutto blamed President Pervez Musharraf for failing to protect her in the volatile months preceding her assassination, an email released by US media Thursday showed. If harmed in Pakistan, “I wld (would) hold Musharaf (sic) responsible,� Bhutto wrote in the October email, revealed on air by CNN journalist Wolf Blitzer, who received it from Bhutto’s friend and US spokesman Mark Siegel. “I have been made to feel insecure by his minions,� Bhutto wrote of Musharraf, detailing security measures which she said were not granted her after her return. “There is no way what is happening in terms of stopping me from taking private cars or using tinted windows or giving jammers or four police mobiles to cover all sides cld (could) happen without him.� Siegel told the channel that Bhutto had asked authorities to provide protection including a four-car police escort and jamming devices against bombs, but had not received them. The news channel revealed the email hours after Bhutto, 54, was killed in a suicide attack. (Posted @ 09:50 PST)

I SICERELY HOPE THAT MUSHARAF AND ALL THE GENERALS OF PAKISTAN MEET THE SAME FATE AS THE BHUTTO FAMILY.

I HAVE THE SAME PRAYER FOR BILAL MUSHARAF AND THE DAUGHTER OF MUSHARAF AS WELL AS ZIA’ S FAMILY AND AYUB KHANS FAMILY.

EXAMPLES OF PUNISHMENT AND VANDETTA HAVE BEEN SET FOR POLITICIANS, JUDGES, BEAUROCRACY AND THE CIVIL SOCIETY.

ZA BHUTTO AND BENAZIR LAID DOWN THEIR LIVES FOR PAKISTAN, LOOK AT WHAT THIS ARMY DID TO QADEER KHAN, THE CHIEF JUSTICE, THE MEDIA AND THE LIST IS ENDLESS.

IT IS ONLY THE GENERALS OF PAKISTAN AND THEIR FAMILIES THAT HAVE REMAINED ABOVE THE LAW AND UNTOUCHABLE.

90,000 ARMY SOILDERS SURRENDERED IN DACCA AND NONE WERE HANGED, AYUB, ZIA AND MUSHARAF DESTROYED THE COUNTRY AND NONE OF THESE DICTATORS WERE HANGED.

THE CHILDREN OF THESE DICTATORS ARE THE RICHEST AND MOST INFLUENTIAL IN THE COUNTRY AND NONE OF THEM IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

NOW IS THE TIME THAT SOMETHING BE DONE OTHERWISE IF THESE GENERALS AND ARMY STILL CONTINUE TO RULE THAN SIMPLY FORGET PAKISTAN.

WILL WE AS A NATION REMAIN SUBSERVIANT TO THIS CORRUPT AND USELESS ARMY OR WILL WE TAKE THEM TO TASK?

Al-Qaida took the responsibilty of killing BB.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/28/bhutto.dhs.alqaeda/index.html

PPP will boycott Elections on 8 January 2008 … YES / NO

Admin

@ FarooqAhmed on December 28th, 2007 3:01 pm

Interesting - Al Qaeda accepts responsibility for everything.

I believe if Lara Bush delivers a baby, CIA will blame OBL for this and US state department will soon come up with a tape from AQ accepting the responsibility.

@admin
I think the poll should be ’should PPP boycot elections in January 2008′.
My proposition.

@ FarooqAhmed
Please scroll up a bit and read this

@FarooqAhmed

I really feel sorry for you. You know that CNN story is based on a obscure non-reliae website. Even that original story is discussed here. It was some guy Sleem Shahzad 9i forgot name) posted on original website. Now that guy seems to be similar to your friend Ahmed Quraishi.

@nota, econfused,

I have read those articles. Evn though Musharraf is no saint and has done lot of bad things but killing BB was the last thing he would have done. By killing BB is same as putting the last nail in his own coffin.

We got to be rational, BB was too pro-US, and by killing her, Al-Qaida has put Pakistan(Musharraf, who is conducting operations against them and trying to be moderate) in a big dilemma as well as they have put US in big dilemma, as US really wanted BB to come in power, which most probably she would with people support as well as US support. By killing BB, Al-Qaida have put US and its ally on war of terror in a very bad position. They have proved that US has failed to control them.

Musharraf had nothing to gain with that. Look after the asasination, Musharraf’s party, Q league, they all are underground and they are more unpopular now then before. Did you see the face of Musharraf when he was addressing yesterday, he was more than scared.

The problem is that we only hear or listen, what we want to listen and we dont try to be rational about it. Sometimes, according to our likes we dont believe on Pakistani news papers but believe on american media and vice versa.

So thats my understanding, and I guess, some of you keep the right to disagree with my analysis.

Farooq we do not disagree with your comment. I have not blamed Musharraf, I only pointed you the story posted has no credibility. Since you only look in front of your nose, I have to ask why there is no Autopsy/Post Martem, without that Govt has started pushing in official line.

We point to the facts, while you have sympathies with Musharraf. Why the area was washed away quickly? Musharraf did not do it, but he has failed as a leader. So far what I can see

1) No Autopsy
2) Quick Burial
3) Removal/clean up of evidence
4) No Inquiry commission

Its easier to call me irrational, but these are genuine questions.

Is (are) there ant doctor in thsi forum?
Can you please illuminate us?
The government version is that BB was hit on the right part of her skull by the lever of her car’s sunroof causing depressed fracture.
The bomber/gunner was on the left side of BB and no wound was found on that side.

Can anyone please comment on the posisbility of fatality with thsi kind of wound?

Ibnbatuta

BB was betrayed by her own party leadership. The party needed another ’shaheed’ to once again command the masses that it did once. The reputation of BB was totally destroyed because of all the corruption she and her husband were accountable for. The party’s vote bank had also deteriorated because of her prolonged secret deal with Musharraf. A sacrifice was the only way to revive the party. She became the sacrificial lamb. She probably realised this and that’s why returned to Dubai but then somebody convinced her to come back.

@m5433d

How insensitive people can get, so which party you think is popular in all “FOUR” provinces? MQM?

Aaj Tv: Plastic factory in Karachi was burned yesterday by PPP jiyalas and 24 people were trapped inside. As of today, 6 dead bodies of poor labours have been taken out and the factory is still burning and it is suspected that all of them have died. 13 yr old boy was shot in the head. loss of properties is seperate….

Is this the right way to show the anger of BB’s murder? If they think Army and Musharraf did this, then they better redirect their anger them rather than killing poor innocent ppl.

No leader of PPP have urged the PPP jiyalas to stop this yet. This mayhem needs to stop.

According to Dr. Mussadiq Khan’s press conference, who operated the surgery on BB, he said that BB died because something hard hit her head.

He ruled out that she was shot in the head. No bullet was found and bullet would is usually differnt then the found they saw on BB’s head. There was no wound on her neck.

About the autopsy and post mortem, Dr, said that Gov. asked for the autopsy but Asif Zardari asked them, not to conduct the autopsy, as he want to have the burial ASAP.

You can verify alll this on Aaj tv.

@FarooqAhmed

As I said violence will not solve problems. When your govt says “Mr Cheema”, she is killed by the lever in a car?

Now you are asking to redirect people to Army. You are asking leadership from country, where we managed to kill the last leader? It will take time to calm things down. You think anybody in PPP is in a position to calm down to this mob?

Where is Mafia Quami Movement today? why are not they controlling the city?

Dr. Mussadiq ruled out that she is shot and the X-rays confirmed that there is no bullet found in her body. She only had one wound on her body, that is, on her head, which can be resulted, if BB hit her head something really hard. No wound were found on her neck.

Doctors performed the open chest surgery to revive her breath, but they were not successful.

Javed cheema is saying in his press conference that BB hit her head on the lever of SUV. Courtesy Aaj tv.

First it was the sound, now it is shrapnel from a suicide bombing. That’s how a cover-up works….

Well, now Cheema has done one better: Claims when BB ducked at the sound of the explosion, she hit her head on one of the latches of the sunroof which fractured her skull and probably caused her death…

The government has blamed Baitullah mashood….
Cheema never andswered a crucial question…
How come Baitulah Mashood released 200 army on the day when Emergency was clamped? How come the same Mashood kills BB and releases army? What realtionship exists between segments of army and Mashood?

Ibnbatuta

Bush has Osama, Mush has Baitullah…

The same doctor musaddaq was saying something different yesterday

http://daily.urdupoint.com/Live-News.php?news_id=52998&featured=1&cat_id=2

@GM

Well our Govt knows that a lie becomes truth if you tell it over and over again. All things are done for national security and “Sub say Pehlay Pakistan”. I doubt Pakistan can ever change when we have true believers like Farooq, Ahmed Quraishi and saleem shahzad. Who knows what has been promised to Dr. Mussaddaq. I hope if somebody inside the hospital visit this site and post his comments.

I don’t understand, why people are making such a big deal of it. It’s unfortunate she passed away. Now every tom dick and harry has opened a rumor mill and plathora of conspiracies.
Simple is that she passed away by hitting the deck of SUV. Baitullah attempted a suicide attempt on her life. He has done the same with other politicians, twice on sherpao, few times on mushraff. He is evil
Whats the fault of inncoent people and day labourers, why ppp jayala’s are killing them. Whats the fault of banks, railway stations, trains, factories. Why they are burning them. Remember no one life is biggerthen the other, if you think that way then the problem is you still have not come out of elite mentatlity. This is the reminisance of barbaric history where to pacify one soul, the kings used to sacrifice inncoent people

@ Farooq Ahmed

r u the only one (besides cheema himself ) who can believe such a lier.?

@GM,

You can call everybody liar according to your likings. You just want to believe what you want to. According to you. All Pakistani and International media are lieing. So, get over it, its your problem, not mine.

GM
It’s not matter of trusting anyone, it’s matter of fact and evidences. If 10 doctors have conducted the efforts. Should someone believe a conspiracy theory or what a qualified doctor says? How about a conspiracy theory it was drone which flew from bagram base and it shooot a laser which left no scar or bullet hole and created casualty. It’s unfortunate but we can not ignore facts

@econfused,

Now you are dragging the doctor in this conspiracy theory. People can disgree with you, it doesnot mean that they are promised something. If we all be irrational like that, maybe you are promised something from PPP.

I cannot crack a nutshell like you and I dont want to waste more time on you as I am not here to convinced you, neither I want to.

Your nick says it all. if you disagree with some body you give arguments rather than you call them traitors and liars and call them names. Please dont reply. Thanks

@shaan11235

You are forgetting Mafia. You can blame Jayalas, Govt can stop rumors mill, if it gives you the reason believable. Its not unfortunate, its a national loss. If you did not like her, thats alright, in a democracy, you have to just live with that. If you select your leaders its not democracy.

@GM

Its not just Farooq, we have countless such personalities, and we have to just live with it, It is reality, some people will always with govt.

econfused
you jump to conclusion too quick. If i didn’t buy your conspiracy theory you started doubting my likes about BB. I am not sure how many times you have voted for BB, but I have done twice. This shows my likeness to her views and policies. I might had differ her on her current stance when she dealt with army that’s a different case. The only difference between me and you is I don’t have blind faith. You believe in slogans and conspiracies and I like to analyze the facts and make my judgemnet not reading tabloids and blogs

@shaan11235

I never voted for her, I do not have a conspiracy theory. All events so far point to cover up. Question is can we handle the true facts? You have to tell me how can I trust Cheema when he says Judges are free to go and see anybody? How do we know if he is not lying every time he speaks?

Don’t you think someone has to build some credibility before we can believe.

Personally I have voted for loosing candidates of my liking. Not a follower of major parties. Still being a citizen, I am entitled to truths. At the moment I have great sympathies for PPP members. Her party might get a sympathy vote for me.

You also have to tell if I have any thing posted from Tabloid. I don’t know where you are getting your facts. How do you think we have got these killer machines? If I say all Lashkes and Jhangvi and Jaish were ISI sponsored, you will say these are not facts.

@FarooqAhmed

“A surgeon who treated her, Dr Mussadiq Khan, had earlier said she may have died from a shrapnel wound.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7163307.stm

I am not dragging doctor, just his earlier statement.

The claim of Cheema that BB died because her head struck on sunroof of the car in which she was travelling - is the most ridiculous explanation. How did they prove that it caused the death.

The issue is that whether they opened the skull or not to find the bullet or sharpnel or not and if they didnt - did they do any CT scan or MRI scan of head to find and locate any sharpnel or bullet.

If they havent done either of them then it is very clear that they are just presuming or assuming the cause of death.

I believe that there has been a very major cover up in this - and goverment is involved in this.

How can Prof of Surgery determine the cause of death - because it is done by the pathologist or a Forensic Surgeon after proper postmortem. As no postmortem was done therefore Cheema cannot claim at all what he is claiming.

I believe that this should be investigated by a foreign pathologist and only then we can determine the cause of death.

There is no doubt that goverment is involved in this killing.

The thing is that if they can intercept the conversation between Baitullah Mehsood and the person to whom he was talking to - I am sure they can trace the source of call and also where he is located and can locate him - so why not they trace him and kill him if after all they have got the evidence.

musharraf is trying to make a fool out of us - nothing more.

Let me tell you one thing - Asif Zirdari even though husband cannot ask teh goverment to stop postmortem if there is suspicsion of killing - whenever anyone is murdered according to the law in Pakistan - the body then belongs to the state and they can conduct the postmortem to find out what is the cause fo death.

If we accept this Zirdari theory then all any husband who is not happy with his wife can get her killed and then refuse post-mortem. I beleive Cheema is lying and nothing else.

The goverment was under obligation of conducting a postmortem because she has been murdered and there had been hundreds of witnesses to that murder.

The fact that they have avoided it and then without proper CT scan and MRI of head and chest they have let the body go - it clearly means that this professor of surgery is a phoney surgeon and he is involved in the coverup.

The issue is who to believe with reagrd to BB’s death…

he government’s version is now known. It is the right of every citizen to question it. Even the questions in the press conference indicated taht none of the journalists was convinced of what Cheema was saying.
Let me list the questions taht remain unanswered:

1. Why was the place of incident washed with fire brigade? (I have heard this. it will help if someone can confirm or deny this)
2. Why was post-mortern not carried out? Government’s version is that Zardari said no. Is this really true? Even if it is, did Zardari have a right to say no? Was government right in even asking Zardari?
3. What authenticity is there of Drs’ statements yesterday? If thy said that it was a bullet, why are they changing their stance now? Cheema was asked thsi question and to me he did not give a satisfactory response.
4. Cheema’s version also raises several questions. He said, if i got him right, that BB was fired upon 2-3 times, then as she was ducking/getting into the car, blast took place and the force of the blast pushed her to the side and she gor hit b the lever of the sunroof. Three bullets must take a few seconds to be fired. At-least another second or two fo the blast to occur. So we are perhaps talking about 5-7 seconds before, according to official version, BB was hit by the impact of the blast. This raises doubts. Huamn instinct would have made her duck immediately afte the first one. How is it taht she was till outside of rootop when the blast occured?
5. The tarcing of call is also very intriguing? How come they have never been able to trace calls prevously to locate the ‘culprit’? How was the voice identified so quickly?
6. even the nature of conversation quoted was strange. It seemed a very precise thought out conversation. It seemed Mashood did not even know how was assigned the task of killing BB. ven the place of a future meeting was discussed. Did anyone try to locate and capture the ‘culprit’ from hat location? Would these peole discuss such information so casually knowing fully well that their conversations are tapped?
7. X-rays tell nothing. It is not necessary for the bullet to be lodged inside the body to do the damage. it can pierce through it.
8. who was Cheema’s audiance? Why was he speaking i English? even responding to Urdu questions in English? The answers are needed by pakistani people. why did he not choose to speak in Urdu?
8.finally, it does seem strange that the same al-qaeda which fails to kill musharaf, SAzia, sherpow after so many attacks, succeds the first time it attacks BB.

Ibn Batuta

Ibn Batuta

Zardari has no right to ask the goverment not to do postmortem because she is a murder victim once a person is murdered - the body belongs to the state and they are under obligation to investigate the cause of murder. In developed countries this is done by coroner.

If we accept this premise that Zardari could refuse post-mortem then that means any husband can kill his wife and then say he does not want post-mortem.

There is no doubt that it has been a huge coverup and goverment either is itself involved in this or are trying to coverup their incompetency. Now they are laying blame at hands of Betullah Mehsud with whom the goverment did the deal exactly teh day when CJ Iftikhar was deposed.

So they know where this guy is - so why dont then take him on then.

Musharraf has landed Pakistan in a deep deep hole by trying to befriend Bush and getting involved in this war on terror.

Muallah and military are strong allies in this war on terror. This napak fauj paid these terrorists to kill BB. Napak fauj and dirty mullah both have found the way to earn money from US and west. Modus operandi is very simple , Napak fauj kills innocent pakistanis and declares that they have killed terrorist , they will arrest innocent pakistanis and sell them to US. On the other hand dirty Mullah targets the opposition leaders and moderate Pakistanis in terrorist attacks.

Ibn Batuta

I am a doctor practicing in Ireland and I can say for sure from professional point of view that the goverment has handled all this in a very very unprofessional way and their cover up is also very clumsy.

Now Govt of Pakistan has very different version – as Brigadier Cheema said in news conference that Benazir Bhutto died from a fractured skull caused by hitting her head on part of her car’s sunroof. He further added that the government had an intelligence intercept in which an al-Qaeda militant congratulated his people for carrying out this cowardly act.
In my view this seems poor effort for the cover up. It seems that it is the evil act of some fractions of Pak-establishment and they pay some Mullas to do this evil job. GHQ and evil fanatics both have found the easy way to earn money from US and west on the basis of war against terrorism. The proxy war they in which both sides are in there control.

on Nov 4, next day to emergency, Govt. released 29 militants to get their 300 soldiers released including a cousin of Baitullah Masood.

Now, even if we buy this govt theory of link to Baitullah Masood, isnt it most probable, that the 3 terrorist involved are out of those 29 released by musharraf govt.

and if it is so, what Pakistani people shud do. When mushrraf got this reason of releasing terrorists against the Judges , then he imposed martial Law becasue he has the power of gun. and if people of pakistan dont have enough gun power to impose emergencey for same reasons, the message is clear for them, either counter the gun power of mushrraf and co. or surrender.

This is ridiculous, venting your frustration against pak army. I can understand that if there are motives behind BB’s killing and ofcourse without the involvement of US nothing is possible. But it’s utter ridiculous to call pak army .. napak or calling them names. All people who serve in army are ordinary people from our society. Any clamity happens, they are the first to reach and protect. Majority of roads, construction, development has been spearheaded by army. if it’s left up to civil society then the road and bridges will only exist in papers not in reality. I definately do not agree with mush’s policy but it does not make the whole army responsible for it. Army is still the only instituion with discipline. Anyone who is calling them kuttay and napak have some ther motives very clearly. A good idea will be to check their origin

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20071228/wl_time/alqaedasnewterrortactic

You can see the RAW VIDEO of BB, just before she is killed.

Shaan1235

We respect army AS MUCH AS THEY RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION.

isnt it fair enuf?

u know what i mean….?

waiting for ur reasonable reply, plzz no more comments by BATMAN of FA Pass generals…plz..

@shaan11235
I wish I could call you names. Just consider all the *** below as my anger against you and that napak fauji kuttay……………..
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shaan11235:
napak rouge army has deprived Pakistanis and so victim of hatred. sooner or later they will meet their fate. regrettably, what you credited to rouge army is nothing but their imperialism. what you will get if you check the origin?

pejamistri
is that was the logic, reason and aswer to my view point…. I am not going to say anything about you. GOD help you

GM
Army any where in the world are constructed to follow orders not question the motives. If we have one , two or 5 top brass generals corrupt then whats the fault of institution. It’s very much same scenario where our top politicians are corrupt, however every average john doe is sincere with it’s country. Unfortunately the same john doe does follow’s and defend the party decision doesn’t matter it’s a flip flop over night. They defend the decision when leader deal with army and deplore the same act when compromise couldn’t reach. My point instituions are not bad it’s individuals .. example is Mush, kiyani, NS, CHoudries, fazlu and etc, etc

@shaan11235
People like yourself can not be replied on the basis of logic. Ahmed Bhai and many other will try to do so .. but let me assure that people like yourself are not humans and even not beasts .. because beasts are not as tyrant as this napak army and it’s cronies are. So please add few more stars for yourself and you napak army.
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I will still not say anything about you. You are typing what is filled in your brain. I can obvoiusly see what kinlth is that. keep burning in a dejavu of your self thought fictions, motives and enemies
one more time if you are pakistani, GOD help you and if you are outsider just trying to create fitna, GOD will deal with you

If you see videos or pictures of BB just prior to being shot, there is no security
around her. Can anybody help me or i am delusional.

@shaan11235
So you are angry , that means you did translate my stars something which caused you great anguish. … Teach me what you translated

@shaan11234

We might have been fine if it was one, two or five generals. If that was the case, then everything should be fine after 1988. It did not. It seems like there is something wrong.

Personally I have known some captains, majors and Lt. col. Their point of view is that civilians don’t know Sh!t and $tupid. Your statement might be true for NCOs, but I think it changes when you get comission.

@zufi
watch closely the person who fired and may be another who detonated the bomb were security peronsals. They were just few feet away from BB and performed their duty skillfuly.

@shaan11234

Your logic is convoluted. You are asking us to be thankful to the army/security agencies because they have built roads for us (after getting contracts of their choice) whereas we hired them to provide security.
Watch the footage shown by GEO again. The man firing pistol shots was within few feet of the SUV. What the f*** was our more than heavy security apparatus doing then…perhaps building roads…doh!

regards,
inaam

@Peja
The Mushs people always say that there are 7000 security people protecting her
but just prior to murder you hardly see anybody around. It is not conspiratorial, I
guess.

the biggest civilian mistake was to equip rouge army with nukes. becoming powerful enough not to be beaten by India, they decided to find new ways to rule the country. the press conference of cheema still shows that army as an institute is still behind Mush

@shaan11234

Nothing u can write here in this forum which is in favour of Mush and thier allies even army they will say all bull shits coz Mush was belong to army…if these ppls who say bad words to army tell them to come back to country and do something instead of giving bad words to Army here.

Only NS and IK supporters here, can write thier views here. this site is not open for any other party.

@ahmed bhai
I respect and love Zulfiqar Bhutto Shaheed so much, but whenever I think that he got 90,000 of these snakes back to Pakistan in 1971 I don’t feel good. Sheikh Saadi once said that a scorpian will never change it’s nature , but Bhutto himself was Sheikh Saadi who did not change his nature either.

@zufi
The person who fired was so close to the vehicle that it can not be anybody else except the ISI paid agent. He was even touching the vehicle.

I know many are attributing the violence, burning of cars, looting of ATM machines etc in the city to the reaction of PPP workers but allow me to share something that I observed last night. Like many I was also stuck in chaotic traffic for 4 hours. The Rikshaw driver refused to go beyond Quaids mazar and abandoned me there and took off. I don’t blame him. Anyway I had no choice but to ride with a total stranger on a bike to take me home. While moving through small streets to find our way to Gulshan-e-Iqbal, I witnessed many vehicles being torched. On one such small gali, I recognized a face, in the armed mob which was about to torch a parked Hi Roof, from my previous Mohala. He is a devout MQM worker. He had a riffle in his hand and was ushering a crowd of young men with lathis in their hands.

The interesting thing is that the guy who gave me lift was also MQM supporter. So he was taking all the safe passages of MQM dominated areas to avoid getting in any trouble. I can even tell you where i saw this activity. So MQM burning vehicles in their own areas are trying to create an excuse to counter-violence? start an ethnic war in sindh? this is very scarry.

Source: TeethMaestro