The only thing is that the dictators including musharaf have nurtured these sharks i.e. mullahs, mqm and Q league.
Ever since musharaf came to power, he has been defaming the state in the capacity of its head. Selling to the whole world that Pakistanis are terrorists just to prolong his rule.
Imposition of emergency/martail law by him was a no confidence in his own governance as he is the head of state.
Zia gave us Klasinkov, heroin and poppy generals in the army.
Musharaf has given us suicide bombings, anarchy and is personally responsible for destroying the judicaiary, media and the hopes of an entire nation.
These generals performance started with the murder of Liaqat Ali Khan, Fatima Jinnah, Bhuttos. Victimistaion of Nawaz Sharif, Judiciary, Media, A Q Khan, Civil society and the list is endless.
Let’s see who the next victim is and what’s the limit of deterioration in our country? Mush you are too good for worse, but remember life has a border and you will be accountable too.
Even if mush thinks that he is not a bad guy, but he should realize it that people don’t want him any more. God knows when his lust of rule is going to be over, when he is going to obtain the so called best interest of Pakistan, ironic.
pls don’t buy land cruisers with sunroof.they have LEVERS that can kill you atleast in pakistan.
a public service message by chairman pakistan donkey association
BRIG JAVED IQBAL CHEEMA
The most pernicious and malignant threat to Pakistan is from its intelligence agencies specially their covert operation wings. They are the ones who create and control the religious extremists and suicide bombers, they are the ones who aid and abet the Taliban and the AlQaeda. They are the ones who clandestinally and overtly help the perpetual supremacy of armed forces in Pakistan.They are the ones who rig election and prop up the lotas and persecute and kill popular civilian leadership.They are the shark of the above illustration.
Very true and in Pakistan, people don’t get killed with gunshot even if you blow somebody’s head from a short distance, to kill someone you have to be a suicide bomber.
who is this man? he was clearly pointing to benazir with his eyes when he was holding his neck…. there is a clear indication to someone that his neck is un-safe…. i guess there is a big conspiracy hopefully unfold soon.
Regarding “request for U.N. to investigate like they did Hariri investigation …
Just want to bring up the point that that is a bad, BAD example. This assumes that U.N. investigations are impartial which cannot be further from the truth. The U.N. and West were predisposed to blaming Syria and that is who the investigation ended up accusing. They wanted to use it as a pretext against Syria in Lebanon and did succeed in using it to force Syrian troops out of Lebanon.
what an unusual act?
Is he signalling that the neck is exposed (not bullet proof) and hence can be targeted when BB stands up after sitting in the car?
obviously this is post-facto interpretation…but then…
I also think that if west are let to investigate the case, they most probably will use this for creating further differences in our already divided society. Their investigation could come up with something like, “Sunni Muslims were involved in assasination of pakistan’s former shia prime minister”.
sooner or later international investigation will definitely take place. BB was heavily invested by the US and west. and its only them who can identify ISI and army - no one in Pakistan despite all sincere efforts. you remember hommod rehman report , ever made public?
Many people ask why political Parties do not have democracy in their parties. Here is one of the reason. I am sure that many of you can up with more reason.
PPP was founded in Hala in 1967 when the founding member elected ZAB at it leader through vote since than PPP is on run. Three General hae tried to destory it. How many PPP worker during this forfty year of it history. Establishment never all it to work in free envoirment.
Establishment alway tried to break this Party. Normal course of history should have been that after winning election in 1988 PPP would have gone in to election but that did not happen instead it was send home by establishment. If PPP would have been allowed to complete the tenure natural process woult have continute.
So we can see establishment is alway in denial of majority rule in Pakistan. And that is the reson that Political Parties do not have democraies in their on party because establishment do not allow natural process to mature. Establishment kill the baby before it is matured.
the symbol of asking water is very simple. you do not need to hide urself and then point your throat for asking water. see carefully and observe the way he was looking all around before and after his movement. and secondly why he was asking water to the public standing in front?
“Jang” newspaper is reporting that peoples party terrorists have inflicted Rs. 13 billion loss to Pakistan Railways alone in 4 days. The PPP terrorists burnt 52 railway engines, hundreds of railway bogies, dozens of railway stations, railway lines uprooted, railway’s communication system destroyed.
This colossal loss is just for Pakistan Railways.
Welcome to patriotic peoples party’s Pakistan who stands for democracy, poor people and the federation.
Oh so thats why we (punjabi) also call MQM terrorist? when Naseer ullah babar was doing extra judiciary killing of thousands of innocent people of karachi and hyderabad at that time no one talked about freedom of judges?
so if PPP doing this then its fine.
what will happen if NS and PPP win this election…will PPP let NS to run the govt? or will NS will let PPP run the govt? after election you will see more lotas between these two parties.
and for sure PML Q and Musharraf have lost thier popularity and they have to step down.
Mr. Cheema, Please accept my challenge bring a case against Naseer ullah babar against killing of MQM worker. I will pay for lawyers and investigators. Let prove it. One thing more how about bring the case into lime light the murder of Altaf Bhai brothers. According to Prophet Mohammad tomhat is sin Mr. Cheema but I guess you mental capacity is not such that it separate propaganda then reality.
A new crisis is brewing up in PPP as there has been demand on Zardari to make BB political will pubilc. It is being seen that Zardari is sidelining important party members like Jehangir Badr who did not attend the meeting in which will was read and also teh will was read and no one saw the will.
I think if Zardari does not swiftly act on this and make the will public it would ruin all teh sympathy which PPP has got on BB death.
Q league is dying to get elections postponed so that they have enough time to create further controversies and reduce the impact of BB.
Asif Zardari’s decision to become Co Chairman of PPP has not gone well with teh party and within a year or so there could be split in the party once the effect of BB shahadat goes away.
“So we can see establishment is alway in denial of majority rule in Pakistan. And that is the reson that Political Parties do not have democraies in their on party because establishment do not allow natural process to mature. Establishment kill the baby before it is matured.”
This is your justification to choose 19 year old kid over people who have served party for 40 years
Do you believe establishment has anything to do with proposing bilawal as party chief ?
My dear friend, the reality is this we have cult politics or “gaddi-nasheen”. It’s lucrative business, just like you do not want to start a company and then step aside and hand over it to someone else. Same way politics is run like a business in our country. I am not singling out anyone party. All parties are business ventures and the only stake poor people has is few slogans every time elections are around the corner
Siqbal you are quite right in your observation. We should be tolerant to others and accept every one’s views, as difference of opnion is always good to get a mature system.
@mya
I agree. It seems to be a signal of somee sort. Three signals. Holds his neck, signals towards BB with his eyes, and then bends his head forward.
Bends down to make hiomself less noticable.
Signals for what ? God knows. BUt seems to be a signal of some sort.
@mya
I believe, there is some photographer behind, who is trying to take a picture. If this guy is standing on stage, he has to be some trusted fellow
Otherwise the guy behind him would have not smiled at him, unless he is part of it also
@mya
for god sake.
Despite the overwhelming grief of BB’s demise you have made me laugh. The person standing behind the man you have pointed towards is Zamarud Khan Advocate, PPP candidate for NA 56. And the joker that you point towards seems to me his munshi who is there perhaps for a photo opportunity.
Or is it you yourself, seeking “susti shurat”.
While everyone else is cheering, this middle man is not doing anything.
Also, the person standing in front and behind have not seen his signals. They might be smiling on something else.
the guy in front is actually Amir Fida Piracha, PPP canddiate from NA-55 rawalpindi ( same seat where javed hashmi is contesting). The big guy on back side is Zamurrad Khan, PPP candidate from NA-54 rawalpindi ( @ commoner, not from NA-56). the guy in the middle, a PPP guy is signalling to bring some water. No one can get to the stage and so near to leadership except the PPP leaders and those cleared by them.
Amir Farid Piracha and Zamurrad Khan have not seen his signals. Alos, he is not waving to the crowd and not participating in any slogans, whilst all other on stage are.
There definitely would be govt. priovided security personnel on stage other than the PPP people.
The guy standing behind cannot see his signals. The one in front has not seen them either as is apparent from the video.,
Also while he bends down , he looks at Amir Farid Piracha with cautious looks.
The last one where he bends down his head is a very wierd thing.
Also, before making the signal, he looks to his left and then bends down.
I have never seen anyone make a signal for water or bad throat like this before. Alos there was no need to bend down otherwise, unless bending down to pick somthing or scratch your feet.
No seriously, after making the signal, he again looks to his left. Either someone from his left had asked him to make this signal of ( water or bad throat or whatever…).
Had he done all these actions while standing without bending, it might not have looked so weird.
Maybe his legs were hurting.
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@maasiBarkate
That man giving those signals first became conscious after hearing a whistle which we too can hear clearly as it must have been someone close to the mike. After those signals he looked upwards and sideways as if he was expecting something. I could be wrong though , but the man was really giving unsual signals.
I could not hear the whistle. But he looked to his left before giving the signal and again at the end, after his bending down. When he got straight, he again looked to the left.
I think he got the green signal from the left. I could be totally wrong though.
He might be completely innocent .
But his actiosn are not normal and definitely not asking for water from the public.
@ maasiBarkate
At the end of the video when that red circle appears, the whistle can be heard. I think ur thinking might be right , why would anyone hold his neck in that manner its a bit painful. The other reason is that he signalled towards to BB with some mallified intentions with his eyes bulging out, one does this only when one doesnot want to attract the attention of anyone other than someone in particular. If he were asking for water , could have done so by signalling with the hand. Anyways thanks for sharing.
i don’t think if its a real video. his shades frame appears weird; as the sticks were revealing, as those were sticking onto his head instead on ears. the camera seems closer to those guys, if it really was that closer than why didn’t it demolish by the nearby explosion. strange re-manipulations.
subh sai pehlay musharaf extremist ka pakistan.
boycott fraud election
boycott musharafs noora polling.
i could agree with maasi barkate with the innocent thing. maybe they masked out someone from the video and replaced someone on green screen. maybe some other tale..
@Amir hameed
Good article. I guess Mush is the cleverest form of saitan in asia. He knows what happened to zia he was replaced by BB. I think he will get rid of NS too, If NS doesn’t stop blaming him openly.
As long as Bush is in the White House, US will most likely keep supporting Mush. If Clinton wins, even then I am not sure that US will take a 180 degree turn because what she is saying is her own views and those views normally change “in the larger interest of US”.
See the guy standing etween Piracha and Zamurrad Khan
THe same one who was making very wierd signals in the other video. Meaning he was there on the stage.
Release of two new videos showing the assassin of Benazir Bhutto firing shots with a hand gun just feet away from her vehicle and the impact of the bullets upon the head of Benazir Bhutto prior to the explosion corroborate the testimonies of eye witnesses who saw shots being fired at the former Pakistani premier as she left the fatal election rally in Rawalpindi. In addition, testimonies from close aides to Bhutto who witnessed her wounds at the time of the attack and when her body was washed for burial confirmed that her death had been caused by shots to the neck/head.
This new evidence coupled with the scenes of Pakistani security forces washing the crime scene just hours after the assassination and conflicting statements from the Interior Ministry claiming that Benazir’s death was caused by shrapnel wounds to the head, later revised to “had bumped her head on the sunroof” have fuelled speculation that Musharraf’s regime is involved in a cover-up!
The unfolding events are a severe indictment of the dictator Musharraf, his US sponsors of the Bush administration and the Islamaphobic media of the west who lost no time in confirming the notion that Bhutto had been targeted by “Islamic militants” linked to the Taliban commander Baitullah Mehsud without a shred of physical evidence being presented to substantiate the allegation. Both Bush and Brown claimed that Benazir’s killing was another chapter in the war against “Islamic extremism” and that she was a martyr for democracy and moderation in Pakistan. However, Mehsud stated that his forces were not involved in any way with the assassination claiming that it was the work of Musharraf and the intelligence agencies and that his forces did not target women.
Further credibility for this view has been Bhutto’s own statements via e-mail to a US journalist in which she claimed that Musharraf was deliberately not supplying adequate security arrangements indicating she had received only two of the four police escort vehicles she had requested to shield all four sides of her campaign vehicle. The video released yesterday demonstrates how the assassin got within point blank range of Bhutto from the exposed side of her vehicle!
The question that remains is why would state forces undertake the assassination of Bhutto when it was Musharraf who had allowed her to return to Pakistan at the instruction of the US and Britain in order to save his ailing government? Several scenarios could explain such a high-risk action by the state apparatus of the embattled dictator. Firstly, in the aftermath of the assassination Benazir’s husband Asif Zardari called for a UN investigation and notably, help from the British government. Such a statement excluding the Americans clearly shows that the pro-British Bhutto camp do not hold confidence in the US agencies to act transparently. It also suggests that the original plan brokered by the US and Britain to forge a “secular democratic alliance” between Musharraf and Benazir against the “Islamic fundamentalists” may not have been going according to plan with the complication of cooperation between Benazir and Nawaz Sheriff which looked sure to remove the power base of Musharraf’s PML-Q party in the Punjab. The potential routing of the PML-Q in the January national elections would severely weaken Musharraf’s presidency and his power, a problematic scenario for the dictator and his US sponsors whose courting of Bhutto had been merely to ensure Musharraf’s survival and prosecution of the war on terror. Despite her anti-Islamist rhetoric, a powerful Bhutto government could threaten US dominance in Pakistan and hence their interests in the region.
Another possibility, is that elements in the PML-Q whose power felt threatened by Bhutto’s emergence on the scene took action independently of Musharraf, although such a scenario seems unlikely in view of need to compromise security arrangements in order to prosecute the operation. A third possibility is that Musharraf brought back Nawaz Sherrif after initially sending him unceremoniously back to Saudi Arabia following his recent two-day visit to the kingdom to counter the influence of Bhutto, With Bhutto gone, the PPP has been weakened and the rapid appointment of her 19 year old son as heir to the throne seems aimed to prevent fragmentation of the party through the emergence of internal power struggles in the vacuum left by her assassination. Bhutto’s assassination has also left Nawaz Sheriff as the main opposition figure to Musharraf which could see him now emerge, in the coming weeks, as a rejuvenated political force galvanising the pro-democracy movement. This would suite the interests of the US, as historically, Sheriff was a loyal ally during the Clinton administration as his treachery over the Kargil crisis demonstrated. Sheriff is also viewed by many to have stronger “Islamic credentials” that could be an important factor in forging alliances with Islamic parties to try to stop cooperation of tribal elders with al Qaeda and the Taliban militants in the tribal regions. Only time will tell over the coming weeks which way the political power will shift in Pakistan in the run up to the elections.
Thus, the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, like the killing of her father and the assassination of General Zia after him would appear to be the work of state forces embroiled in a power struggle and not the work of Islamic militants as the dictator Musharraf and his western backers would like us to believe. Such is the dirty politics of Pakistan, which like other Muslim countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan, are plagued by the continual interference of external colonial states like the US and Britain who enact their foreign policy objectives as if playing chess on a board comprising of the resource rich Muslim lands.
The Muslim Ummah realises that for every Benazir and Saddam, whose services to the west are rewarded with liquidation once they outlive their usefulness, tens of thousands of innocent people must pay with suffering and death through their treachery. This is why such rulers like Musharraf, who betray Islam and the Ummah of Muhammed (saw), are despised by the vast majority of people who long for an independent, sincere Islamic leadership. The time has come for the influentials and elites of Pakistan and other Muslim states to look to return this Ummah to a state of dignity, security and strength by rejecting once and for all the dirty politics plaguing our countries and restoring the Khilafah (Caliphate) that will bring a new era of unity and progress.
I had wrote around Sept 2007 that pakistan army will never allow BB to power corridor. US want to divide Pakistan. And that is the reason BB is dead. Well the first wave of anger in over in Pakistan. Zardari Mr. 10% showing a love for punjabis have for now saved Pakistan.
This is game Pakistan Army would now play they will allow PPP to win the election keep PPP in power for 24 to 36 months. After which it will be dismissed on corruption charges. America finding this momemt perfect to start other anger in Pakistan. I do not know whether they would murder some Leader from Pakistan but they would take advantage of situation.
Now the point is that people who love Pakistan person like Mr. 10% play this game right into the hands of Pakistan Army and A. CIA. or they out smart them.
Treachery of NS in Kargil war. I suppose launching an assault on its own, hiding all facts, (which gave the world an impression of how irresponsible napak army could be), was a thing to be proud of.
Really long post and in the end its restoring of Khilafah, What are you insane? when did you see Khilafah at work? What is Khilafah, how you bring it. Which version of interpretation you take.
We need a environment, where every citizen of a country has same basic rights. You get to that level by democracy and education. Where my different understanding does not give you an excuse to kill me. If I have different religion, I am still considered a human being. All people who are talking about Khilafah, never give any solid comments how will the government work.
Give people a chance to elect their representative, and let it go on for some time. Ask for free education for all. Ask for running water, and sewage system. Develop the freaking county.
“Siqbal100, Please take my challenge just bring one person from PPP who has been member of PPP for ten years who want chairman of PPP. I promise you that PPP will held election in party to decide who is chairman of PPP.”
I see you are challenging left and right to people to bring one evidence. I have no words to either praise your loyalty or feel bad at the stupidity of such blind support. Are you telling me that none of the people in PPP wants to take the charge. None of them has the caliber to stand up and lead. No one is able to guide the party as per ZA bhutto manifesto. … shocking . utter shocking and you want people to vote for such party, who has the elected representatives not willing to lead or capable of leading
In your view point a kid in diaper is more trust worthy and has far reaching vision then the guys who has been at the service of PPP from last 40 years.
The most disgusting i have heard so far is people doing “sajda” to BB’s grave. Your blind act of support is nothing in comparison
Then we cry why we are not vibrant nation, why we do not have good leaders. We do not deserve one .. may be we are cursed through our actions
I will reiterate my point again as it was in original post, why can’t we choose leaders based on their qualities rather then their name and personalities. Why we can not come out of cult politics and dynasties.. what’s wrong with that ?
Except Musharraf and Altaf Hussain everyone has laid a wreath at the grave of Benazir Bhutto. NS, COAS, Tariq Majeed, Qazi, Achakzai, Wali Khan all came to pay their respects.
Altaf Hussain calls BB a sister and a daughter of Sind but is too busy trying to create ethnic fires. Musharraf off course is the murderer and will never come to Garhi Khuda Bakhsh.
I have seen Zardari’s interview in one of the website, where he said there were 52 members, and not even one person disagreed. I am positive we will see difference of opinion in coming days. They must have made sure, so they can appear united.
If you recall the conference, Jahangir Badr was no where seen, so cracks will appear. They will just manage to keep it under cover till election. That is the only reason Q-League will try delay election.
Since you and I are not party members, we can show our amusement, but this does not change the fact, that PPP is a cult, and it will stay that way.
As far Bilawal is concerned, only time will tell what kind of person he will become.
How many of you can say no to your parents, when you are 19? You and I both know who will be running the show.
@Revivalist “conflicting statements from the Interior Ministry claiming that Benazir’s death was caused by shrapnel wounds to the head, later revised to “had bumped her head on the sunroof
agreed .. only time will tell. Every time I look at Pakistan, it feels like we are holding sand in our hand. We are racing against time. The issues are multi-dimensional. We need to get rid of army and we need to bring democracy in Pakistan. We as a nation can’t even come out of our shell and judge people on their merit. Slogans does not mean anything. there is a lack of genuine leadership, but atleast we can try picking the best what we got … we can see the trend. If one claims to be democratic, is he democratic enough to hold the same standards in his own party
please don’t ask me who is good .. because I am no different then you guys.. but all i know I have started thinking above the party lines .. First and foremost .. question the damn guy on his credentials and his actions. If they are changing by the hours trust me .. you not heading the right directions
Secondly… unfortunately no matter what some one says.. I can’t get over the fact that zardari can be sincere to anyone .. forget about the nation
Question is how we bring democracy? anytime a civilian will try to replace an army chief or ISI chief, its the civilian who has to go. These politicians did not show any guts till one guy stood up and said no to general. I think time is with general public now. CJ has set in motion a movement, which only appears to be subsided, in reality it is not. As Govt has to relase those judges and lawyer community leaders one day.
This movement (non-political) will bring a change. All generals think, they will be here for ever, but in life of nations 10, 20 or 30 years are nothing. It might seem like we are in circles, but its a closing circle against army rule.
you are right .. my hopes are based on non-political movements also. As far as saying no to general .. yes thats where questioning the credibility of candidate comes. If we choose someone who has hole in his own character and rely his/her election on army support, then ofcourse such person can never say no.
At one time I said AA deserting PPP and forming his own party with mustering support from civil society. The only reason was that on his own he has the guts to say no to any general, but when it comes to the party decision he has to embrace the decision which favors its top brass
As we all know AA was against the NRO, but BB did it any way .. and we saw how conveniently he was sidelined
Asalamo Alikum,
1. “Really long post and in the end its restoring of Khilafah, What are you insane? when did you see Khilafah at work? What is Khilafah, how you bring it. Which version of interpretation you take
Your long post shows its a mouth piece of Hizb Tahrir. You have all canned answers for my questions, similar to what I used to listen from “Tablighi Jamaat”. You made an assumption that I am a bad muslim and don’t know about “golden age of muslims”
1) My question was where was Khilafah, how was it implemented after the first four Khulfa
2) I can say your statements are also not true statement of Islamic history, as you are looking at other side of coin
3) If Khilafat is the golden way of doing government, why you don’t see it in even “SINGLE country” in muslim world
3) What is stopping it in UAE, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey to name the few
4) Every system works, as long as there are set of laws, and those laws are equally applied to everybody
You can never have utopia, so get over it. Democracy can give you “You Khilafah” in Pakistan. All you have to do it is find enough people to like your version. We have see Amir Ul Momineen “General Zia Ul Haq”, and “Real Democracy Champion” Musharraf.
How and why should I believe you when you have a blatant lie lke “We have tested democracy for 60 years”. Where are you living?
The signals of suspicious person on the stage need to be investigated. Its hard to present a positive explanation of the wierd actions a mature person is making on the occasion. He looks to be person from inner circle of PPP or state provided security man. He may have information on BB’s movement which he was passing on to somebody monitoring him from distance; during his performance he doest make eye contact with anybody in front of him or the receipient of the signals. of course by sitting he is trying not be seen from his nearby people, by holding his neck he is pointing to the suicidal bomber ( see getup of alleged suicidal bomber, wearing a Chadder upto his neck with his face barely exposed), by looking his right hand side with bulged eyes he is pointing to the direction the target will be going to (BB’s vehicle left the stage from his right hand side) or he is instructing to someone to position the bomber to the direction indictaed by him with his eyes. I couldt make out why he bent over! His face expression are dead serious and noticeable.
The man is signalling a bad throat to some one infront as BB is not at her best of voice and tone. He leans down to avoid being seen by BB. He seems to be from lower ranks and is worried after his action as some one big may have noticed it around.
Pervez Elahi said that Shehbaz Sharif was instructing on telephone to his workers to come out with sticks after BB murder.
It raises some questions?
How Pervez Elahi knows about the teleconversations of SS. May be IB told him, which is headed by Brig (R) Ejaz Shah whose brother is fighting on Q-league ticket and who was also named by BB in a letter before Oct 18 balsts along Wasim Afzala and Pervez Elahi. So may be IB is helping Chaudhries with intelligence and what else?
He has also threaned to use voilence in coming days. i think they have gone mad. After all PM ship is a big game.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:29 pm
This is an accurate analysis and analagy.
The only thing is that the dictators including musharaf have nurtured these sharks i.e. mullahs, mqm and Q league.
Ever since musharaf came to power, he has been defaming the state in the capacity of its head. Selling to the whole world that Pakistanis are terrorists just to prolong his rule.
Imposition of emergency/martail law by him was a no confidence in his own governance as he is the head of state.
Zia gave us Klasinkov, heroin and poppy generals in the army.
Musharaf has given us suicide bombings, anarchy and is personally responsible for destroying the judicaiary, media and the hopes of an entire nation.
These generals performance started with the murder of Liaqat Ali Khan, Fatima Jinnah, Bhuttos. Victimistaion of Nawaz Sharif, Judiciary, Media, A Q Khan, Civil society and the list is endless.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:37 pm
can someone write an article or comment on the year 2007 bloodiest things musharraf has done?
can someone summarize here how much stressful year 2007 was for the pakistanis (because of mush and his puppet ghuandas)
can someone also summarize the disoppointed/flop events in the year 2007 (hockey, cricket, business etc) because of the mush’s “killer” regime?
Thanks
December 31st, 2007 at 4:38 pm
musharrafs friends :
Qatil league : killed 4 PML-N people same day BB was assasinated
Baitullah mehsood : the same person he cut a peace deal with and is now blaming of BBs assasination
MQM : self explanatory
if a man is knows by the friend he keeps then musharraf is a bigger terrorist them osama bin laden
December 31st, 2007 at 4:44 pm
Let’s see who the next victim is and what’s the limit of deterioration in our country? Mush you are too good for worse, but remember life has a border and you will be accountable too.
Even if mush thinks that he is not a bad guy, but he should realize it that people don’t want him any more. God knows when his lust of rule is going to be over, when he is going to obtain the so called best interest of Pakistan, ironic.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:45 pm
pls don’t buy land cruisers with sunroof.they have LEVERS that can kill you atleast in pakistan.
a public service message by chairman pakistan donkey association
BRIG JAVED IQBAL CHEEMA
December 31st, 2007 at 4:53 pm
The most pernicious and malignant threat to Pakistan is from its intelligence agencies specially their covert operation wings. They are the ones who create and control the religious extremists and suicide bombers, they are the ones who aid and abet the Taliban and the AlQaeda. They are the ones who clandestinally and overtly help the perpetual supremacy of armed forces in Pakistan.They are the ones who rig election and prop up the lotas and persecute and kill popular civilian leadership.They are the shark of the above illustration.
December 31st, 2007 at 4:53 pm
NS says pre Nov 3rd judidicary be restored and Iftikhar Chaudhry should probe BB’s murder.
http://daily.urdupoint.com/Live-News.php?news_id=53366&featured=1&cat_id=2
December 31st, 2007 at 4:53 pm
@ khush bakht
Very true and in Pakistan, people don’t get killed with gunshot even if you blow somebody’s head from a short distance, to kill someone you have to be a suicide bomber.
December 31st, 2007 at 5:14 pm
benazir murder suspecious involved person in killing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcNBYj-JOjM
who is this man? he was clearly pointing to benazir with his eyes when he was holding his neck…. there is a clear indication to someone that his neck is un-safe…. i guess there is a big conspiracy hopefully unfold soon.
December 31st, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Regarding “request for U.N. to investigate like they did Hariri investigation …
Just want to bring up the point that that is a bad, BAD example. This assumes that U.N. investigations are impartial which cannot be further from the truth. The U.N. and West were predisposed to blaming Syria and that is who the investigation ended up accusing. They wanted to use it as a pretext against Syria in Lebanon and did succeed in using it to force Syrian troops out of Lebanon.
Was there evidence pointing away from Syria? Why, most certainly.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:40 pm
@mya
what an unusual act?
Is he signalling that the neck is exposed (not bullet proof) and hence can be targeted when BB stands up after sitting in the car?
obviously this is post-facto interpretation…but then…
Ibnbatuta
December 31st, 2007 at 6:44 pm
Yes nota you are right about it.
I also think that if west are let to investigate the case, they most probably will use this for creating further differences in our already divided society. Their investigation could come up with something like, “Sunni Muslims were involved in assasination of pakistan’s former shia prime minister”.
December 31st, 2007 at 6:46 pm
sooner or later international investigation will definitely take place. BB was heavily invested by the US and west. and its only them who can identify ISI and army - no one in Pakistan despite all sincere efforts. you remember hommod rehman report , ever made public?
December 31st, 2007 at 8:08 pm
mya: thats awesome man! he may be asking water for her
December 31st, 2007 at 8:09 pm
omar, nota:
they investigated AQ khan and we buy that investigation. why not this time again? afterall we have trusted them before
December 31st, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Two great articles on the life of Benazir Bhutto:
By Hamid Mir:
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2007-daily/31-12-2007/col2.htm
By her military secretary
http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/dec-2007/31/idarati1.php#1
December 31st, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Many people ask why political Parties do not have democracy in their parties. Here is one of the reason. I am sure that many of you can up with more reason.
PPP was founded in Hala in 1967 when the founding member elected ZAB at it leader through vote since than PPP is on run. Three General hae tried to destory it. How many PPP worker during this forfty year of it history. Establishment never all it to work in free envoirment.
Establishment alway tried to break this Party. Normal course of history should have been that after winning election in 1988 PPP would have gone in to election but that did not happen instead it was send home by establishment. If PPP would have been allowed to complete the tenure natural process woult have continute.
So we can see establishment is alway in denial of majority rule in Pakistan. And that is the reson that Political Parties do not have democraies in their on party because establishment do not allow natural process to mature. Establishment kill the baby before it is matured.
December 31st, 2007 at 10:00 pm
@Ahmed Bhai
the symbol of asking water is very simple. you do not need to hide urself and then point your throat for asking water. see carefully and observe the way he was looking all around before and after his movement. and secondly why he was asking water to the public standing in front?
December 31st, 2007 at 10:08 pm
“Jang” newspaper is reporting that peoples party terrorists have inflicted Rs. 13 billion loss to Pakistan Railways alone in 4 days. The PPP terrorists burnt 52 railway engines, hundreds of railway bogies, dozens of railway stations, railway lines uprooted, railway’s communication system destroyed.
This colossal loss is just for Pakistan Railways.
Welcome to patriotic peoples party’s Pakistan who stands for democracy, poor people and the federation.
December 31st, 2007 at 11:25 pm
My friend politico,
I will see if your entire family is assasinated what would you do.
Your words are no different to Israel who call palestenians terrorists or india who calls kashmiris the same
December 31st, 2007 at 11:35 pm
@khosa
Oh so thats why we (punjabi) also call MQM terrorist? when Naseer ullah babar was doing extra judiciary killing of thousands of innocent people of karachi and hyderabad at that time no one talked about freedom of judges?
so if PPP doing this then its fine.
what will happen if NS and PPP win this election…will PPP let NS to run the govt? or will NS will let PPP run the govt? after election you will see more lotas between these two parties.
and for sure PML Q and Musharraf have lost thier popularity and they have to step down.
December 31st, 2007 at 11:57 pm
Mr. Cheema, Please accept my challenge bring a case against Naseer ullah babar against killing of MQM worker. I will pay for lawyers and investigators. Let prove it. One thing more how about bring the case into lime light the murder of Altaf Bhai brothers. According to Prophet Mohammad tomhat is sin Mr. Cheema but I guess you mental capacity is not such that it separate propaganda then reality.
Shahid Kinnare
Memphis TN
901-370-5779
kinnare@yahoo.com
January 1st, 2008 at 12:14 am
A new crisis is brewing up in PPP as there has been demand on Zardari to make BB political will pubilc. It is being seen that Zardari is sidelining important party members like Jehangir Badr who did not attend the meeting in which will was read and also teh will was read and no one saw the will.
I think if Zardari does not swiftly act on this and make the will public it would ruin all teh sympathy which PPP has got on BB death.
Q league is dying to get elections postponed so that they have enough time to create further controversies and reduce the impact of BB.
Asif Zardari’s decision to become Co Chairman of PPP has not gone well with teh party and within a year or so there could be split in the party once the effect of BB shahadat goes away.
January 1st, 2008 at 12:20 am
@Kinnare
“So we can see establishment is alway in denial of majority rule in Pakistan. And that is the reson that Political Parties do not have democraies in their on party because establishment do not allow natural process to mature. Establishment kill the baby before it is matured.”
This is your justification to choose 19 year old kid over people who have served party for 40 years
Do you believe establishment has anything to do with proposing bilawal as party chief ?
My dear friend, the reality is this we have cult politics or “gaddi-nasheen”. It’s lucrative business, just like you do not want to start a company and then step aside and hand over it to someone else. Same way politics is run like a business in our country. I am not singling out anyone party. All parties are business ventures and the only stake poor people has is few slogans every time elections are around the corner
January 1st, 2008 at 12:21 am
Siqbal you are quite right in your observation. We should be tolerant to others and accept every one’s views, as difference of opnion is always good to get a mature system.
January 1st, 2008 at 12:27 am
@mya
I agree. It seems to be a signal of somee sort. Three signals. Holds his neck, signals towards BB with his eyes, and then bends his head forward.
Bends down to make hiomself less noticable.
Signals for what ? God knows. BUt seems to be a signal of some sort.
January 1st, 2008 at 12:35 am
@mya
I believe, there is some photographer behind, who is trying to take a picture. If this guy is standing on stage, he has to be some trusted fellow
Otherwise the guy behind him would have not smiled at him, unless he is part of it also
January 1st, 2008 at 12:52 am
@mya
for god sake.
Despite the overwhelming grief of BB’s demise you have made me laugh. The person standing behind the man you have pointed towards is Zamarud Khan Advocate, PPP candidate for NA 56. And the joker that you point towards seems to me his munshi who is there perhaps for a photo opportunity.
Or is it you yourself, seeking “susti shurat”.
January 1st, 2008 at 12:56 am
See thsi:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K3Hucx9sZ2U
While everyone else is cheering, this middle man is not doing anything.
Also, the person standing in front and behind have not seen his signals. They might be smiling on something else.
Who is he BTW.
January 1st, 2008 at 1:01 am
@ mya, commoner
the guy in front is actually Amir Fida Piracha, PPP canddiate from NA-55 rawalpindi ( same seat where javed hashmi is contesting). The big guy on back side is Zamurrad Khan, PPP candidate from NA-54 rawalpindi ( @ commoner, not from NA-56). the guy in the middle, a PPP guy is signalling to bring some water. No one can get to the stage and so near to leadership except the PPP leaders and those cleared by them.
January 1st, 2008 at 1:07 am
Amir Farid Piracha and Zamurrad Khan have not seen his signals. Alos, he is not waving to the crowd and not participating in any slogans, whilst all other on stage are.
There definitely would be govt. priovided security personnel on stage other than the PPP people.
January 1st, 2008 at 1:08 am
Also, I have never seen anyone signalling for water in this manner. You just take a cup out of your hand and act as if drinking to ask for water.
January 1st, 2008 at 1:11 am
@GM
good that you have cleared. but man it looks so suspicious…
@ commoner
i am sust but I do not act like a joker… lol
January 1st, 2008 at 1:17 am
guys we must investigate that who is this guy
January 1st, 2008 at 1:21 am
The guy standing behind cannot see his signals. The one in front has not seen them either as is apparent from the video.,
Also while he bends down , he looks at Amir Farid Piracha with cautious looks.
The last one where he bends down his head is a very wierd thing.
Also, before making the signal, he looks to his left and then bends down.
I have never seen anyone make a signal for water or bad throat like this before. Alos there was no need to bend down otherwise, unless bending down to pick somthing or scratch your feet.
January 1st, 2008 at 1:28 am
We seem to have many ‘brains’ here who can be detectives yet watching youtube and visiting pkpolitics!!!
January 1st, 2008 at 1:35 am
No seriously, after making the signal, he again looks to his left. Either someone from his left had asked him to make this signal of ( water or bad throat or whatever…).
Had he done all these actions while standing without bending, it might not have looked so weird.
Maybe his legs were hurting.
January 1st, 2008 at 1:46 am
“I think soon the chickens are going to lay their eggs and we will blame them on al-Qaida”, Asif Zardari.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2233865,00.html
January 1st, 2008 at 1:49 am
Siqbal100, Please take my challenge just bring one person from PPP who has been member of PPP for ten years who want chairman of PPP. I promise you that PPP will held election in party to decide who is chairman of PPP.
I am doctor my proffession have been working with PPP for last twenty, and mohajir from North Nazimabad. Many MQM worker and leader also know me. So I would me waiting for your call @ 901-370-5779 , Memphis TN email: kinnare2001@yahoo.com
January 1st, 2008 at 2:02 am
@ maasiBarkate
act like your name and tell us about your neighbours and what is happening in your Mahalla OR change your name to Sherlock Holmes, lol
January 1st, 2008 at 2:27 am
@maasiBarkate
That man giving those signals first became conscious after hearing a whistle which we too can hear clearly as it must have been someone close to the mike. After those signals he looked upwards and sideways as if he was expecting something. I could be wrong though , but the man was really giving unsual signals.
January 1st, 2008 at 2:31 am
I could not hear the whistle. But he looked to his left before giving the signal and again at the end, after his bending down. When he got straight, he again looked to the left.
I think he got the green signal from the left. I could be totally wrong though.
He might be completely innocent .
But his actiosn are not normal and definitely not asking for water from the public.
January 1st, 2008 at 2:46 am
@ maasiBarkate
At the end of the video when that red circle appears, the whistle can be heard. I think ur thinking might be right , why would anyone hold his neck in that manner its a bit painful. The other reason is that he signalled towards to BB with some mallified intentions with his eyes bulging out, one does this only when one doesnot want to attract the attention of anyone other than someone in particular. If he were asking for water , could have done so by signalling with the hand. Anyways thanks for sharing.
January 1st, 2008 at 3:27 am
i don’t think if its a real video. his shades frame appears weird; as the sticks were revealing, as those were sticking onto his head instead on ears. the camera seems closer to those guys, if it really was that closer than why didn’t it demolish by the nearby explosion. strange re-manipulations.
subh sai pehlay musharaf extremist ka pakistan.
boycott fraud election
boycott musharafs noora polling.
January 1st, 2008 at 3:32 am
i could agree with maasi barkate with the innocent thing. maybe they masked out someone from the video and replaced someone on green screen. maybe some other tale..
January 1st, 2008 at 3:39 am
The guy is there.
See this one:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K3Hucx9sZ2U
January 1st, 2008 at 3:44 am
i couldnt acknowledge him, maasi are you talking about the guy in jacket…
January 1st, 2008 at 3:49 am
An article worthy of reading in The Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/30/AR2007123002237.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
January 1st, 2008 at 4:01 am
@Amir hameed
Good article. I guess Mush is the cleverest form of saitan in asia. He knows what happened to zia he was replaced by BB. I think he will get rid of NS too, If NS doesn’t stop blaming him openly.
January 1st, 2008 at 4:10 am
@amir hameed
The same article is also carried by Dawn
http://dawn.com/2008/01/01/top8.htm
Seems like US will gearing up to stop supporting Mush in the longer run
January 1st, 2008 at 4:24 am
As long as Bush is in the White House, US will most likely keep supporting Mush. If Clinton wins, even then I am not sure that US will take a 180 degree turn because what she is saying is her own views and those views normally change “in the larger interest of US”.
January 1st, 2008 at 4:57 am
@junaid
See the guy standing etween Piracha and Zamurrad Khan
THe same one who was making very wierd signals in the other video. Meaning he was there on the stage.
January 1st, 2008 at 5:21 am
Asalamo Alikum to all bro and sis,
Who killed Benazir Bhutto?
Release of two new videos showing the assassin of Benazir Bhutto firing shots with a hand gun just feet away from her vehicle and the impact of the bullets upon the head of Benazir Bhutto prior to the explosion corroborate the testimonies of eye witnesses who saw shots being fired at the former Pakistani premier as she left the fatal election rally in Rawalpindi. In addition, testimonies from close aides to Bhutto who witnessed her wounds at the time of the attack and when her body was washed for burial confirmed that her death had been caused by shots to the neck/head.
This new evidence coupled with the scenes of Pakistani security forces washing the crime scene just hours after the assassination and conflicting statements from the Interior Ministry claiming that Benazir’s death was caused by shrapnel wounds to the head, later revised to “had bumped her head on the sunroof” have fuelled speculation that Musharraf’s regime is involved in a cover-up!
The unfolding events are a severe indictment of the dictator Musharraf, his US sponsors of the Bush administration and the Islamaphobic media of the west who lost no time in confirming the notion that Bhutto had been targeted by “Islamic militants” linked to the Taliban commander Baitullah Mehsud without a shred of physical evidence being presented to substantiate the allegation. Both Bush and Brown claimed that Benazir’s killing was another chapter in the war against “Islamic extremism” and that she was a martyr for democracy and moderation in Pakistan. However, Mehsud stated that his forces were not involved in any way with the assassination claiming that it was the work of Musharraf and the intelligence agencies and that his forces did not target women.
Further credibility for this view has been Bhutto’s own statements via e-mail to a US journalist in which she claimed that Musharraf was deliberately not supplying adequate security arrangements indicating she had received only two of the four police escort vehicles she had requested to shield all four sides of her campaign vehicle. The video released yesterday demonstrates how the assassin got within point blank range of Bhutto from the exposed side of her vehicle!
The question that remains is why would state forces undertake the assassination of Bhutto when it was Musharraf who had allowed her to return to Pakistan at the instruction of the US and Britain in order to save his ailing government? Several scenarios could explain such a high-risk action by the state apparatus of the embattled dictator. Firstly, in the aftermath of the assassination Benazir’s husband Asif Zardari called for a UN investigation and notably, help from the British government. Such a statement excluding the Americans clearly shows that the pro-British Bhutto camp do not hold confidence in the US agencies to act transparently. It also suggests that the original plan brokered by the US and Britain to forge a “secular democratic alliance” between Musharraf and Benazir against the “Islamic fundamentalists” may not have been going according to plan with the complication of cooperation between Benazir and Nawaz Sheriff which looked sure to remove the power base of Musharraf’s PML-Q party in the Punjab. The potential routing of the PML-Q in the January national elections would severely weaken Musharraf’s presidency and his power, a problematic scenario for the dictator and his US sponsors whose courting of Bhutto had been merely to ensure Musharraf’s survival and prosecution of the war on terror. Despite her anti-Islamist rhetoric, a powerful Bhutto government could threaten US dominance in Pakistan and hence their interests in the region.
Another possibility, is that elements in the PML-Q whose power felt threatened by Bhutto’s emergence on the scene took action independently of Musharraf, although such a scenario seems unlikely in view of need to compromise security arrangements in order to prosecute the operation. A third possibility is that Musharraf brought back Nawaz Sherrif after initially sending him unceremoniously back to Saudi Arabia following his recent two-day visit to the kingdom to counter the influence of Bhutto, With Bhutto gone, the PPP has been weakened and the rapid appointment of her 19 year old son as heir to the throne seems aimed to prevent fragmentation of the party through the emergence of internal power struggles in the vacuum left by her assassination. Bhutto’s assassination has also left Nawaz Sheriff as the main opposition figure to Musharraf which could see him now emerge, in the coming weeks, as a rejuvenated political force galvanising the pro-democracy movement. This would suite the interests of the US, as historically, Sheriff was a loyal ally during the Clinton administration as his treachery over the Kargil crisis demonstrated. Sheriff is also viewed by many to have stronger “Islamic credentials” that could be an important factor in forging alliances with Islamic parties to try to stop cooperation of tribal elders with al Qaeda and the Taliban militants in the tribal regions. Only time will tell over the coming weeks which way the political power will shift in Pakistan in the run up to the elections.
Thus, the assassination of Benazir Bhutto, like the killing of her father and the assassination of General Zia after him would appear to be the work of state forces embroiled in a power struggle and not the work of Islamic militants as the dictator Musharraf and his western backers would like us to believe. Such is the dirty politics of Pakistan, which like other Muslim countries such as Iraq and Afghanistan, are plagued by the continual interference of external colonial states like the US and Britain who enact their foreign policy objectives as if playing chess on a board comprising of the resource rich Muslim lands.
The Muslim Ummah realises that for every Benazir and Saddam, whose services to the west are rewarded with liquidation once they outlive their usefulness, tens of thousands of innocent people must pay with suffering and death through their treachery. This is why such rulers like Musharraf, who betray Islam and the Ummah of Muhammed (saw), are despised by the vast majority of people who long for an independent, sincere Islamic leadership. The time has come for the influentials and elites of Pakistan and other Muslim states to look to return this Ummah to a state of dignity, security and strength by rejecting once and for all the dirty politics plaguing our countries and restoring the Khilafah (Caliphate) that will bring a new era of unity and progress.
Regards
January 1st, 2008 at 5:29 am
I had wrote around Sept 2007 that pakistan army will never allow BB to power corridor. US want to divide Pakistan. And that is the reason BB is dead. Well the first wave of anger in over in Pakistan. Zardari Mr. 10% showing a love for punjabis have for now saved Pakistan.
This is game Pakistan Army would now play they will allow PPP to win the election keep PPP in power for 24 to 36 months. After which it will be dismissed on corruption charges. America finding this momemt perfect to start other anger in Pakistan. I do not know whether they would murder some Leader from Pakistan but they would take advantage of situation.
Now the point is that people who love Pakistan person like Mr. 10% play this game right into the hands of Pakistan Army and A. CIA. or they out smart them.
January 1st, 2008 at 5:33 am
Treachery of NS in Kargil war. I suppose launching an assault on its own, hiding all facts, (which gave the world an impression of how irresponsible napak army could be), was a thing to be proud of.
January 1st, 2008 at 5:35 am
@kinnare
“Zardari Mr. 10% showing a love for punjabis have for now saved Pakistan.”
could u elaborate it further.
January 1st, 2008 at 5:36 am
A good article in NY Times on the potential future of PPP:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/world/asia/01bhutto.html?hp
January 1st, 2008 at 5:38 am
Really long post and in the end its restoring of Khilafah, What are you insane? when did you see Khilafah at work? What is Khilafah, how you bring it. Which version of interpretation you take.
We need a environment, where every citizen of a country has same basic rights. You get to that level by democracy and education. Where my different understanding does not give you an excuse to kill me. If I have different religion, I am still considered a human being. All people who are talking about Khilafah, never give any solid comments how will the government work.
Give people a chance to elect their representative, and let it go on for some time. Ask for free education for all. Ask for running water, and sewage system. Develop the freaking county.
January 1st, 2008 at 5:56 am
@kinnare
“Siqbal100, Please take my challenge just bring one person from PPP who has been member of PPP for ten years who want chairman of PPP. I promise you that PPP will held election in party to decide who is chairman of PPP.”
I see you are challenging left and right to people to bring one evidence. I have no words to either praise your loyalty or feel bad at the stupidity of such blind support. Are you telling me that none of the people in PPP wants to take the charge. None of them has the caliber to stand up and lead. No one is able to guide the party as per ZA bhutto manifesto. … shocking . utter shocking and you want people to vote for such party, who has the elected representatives not willing to lead or capable of leading
In your view point a kid in diaper is more trust worthy and has far reaching vision then the guys who has been at the service of PPP from last 40 years.
The most disgusting i have heard so far is people doing “sajda” to BB’s grave. Your blind act of support is nothing in comparison
Then we cry why we are not vibrant nation, why we do not have good leaders. We do not deserve one .. may be we are cursed through our actions
I will reiterate my point again as it was in original post, why can’t we choose leaders based on their qualities rather then their name and personalities. Why we can not come out of cult politics and dynasties.. what’s wrong with that ?
January 1st, 2008 at 6:00 am
Except Musharraf and Altaf Hussain everyone has laid a wreath at the grave of Benazir Bhutto. NS, COAS, Tariq Majeed, Qazi, Achakzai, Wali Khan all came to pay their respects.
Altaf Hussain calls BB a sister and a daughter of Sind but is too busy trying to create ethnic fires. Musharraf off course is the murderer and will never come to Garhi Khuda Bakhsh.
January 1st, 2008 at 6:05 am
@siqbal00
I have seen Zardari’s interview in one of the website, where he said there were 52 members, and not even one person disagreed. I am positive we will see difference of opinion in coming days. They must have made sure, so they can appear united.
If you recall the conference, Jahangir Badr was no where seen, so cracks will appear. They will just manage to keep it under cover till election. That is the only reason Q-League will try delay election.
Since you and I are not party members, we can show our amusement, but this does not change the fact, that PPP is a cult, and it will stay that way.
As far Bilawal is concerned, only time will tell what kind of person he will become.
How many of you can say no to your parents, when you are 19? You and I both know who will be running the show.
January 1st, 2008 at 6:19 am
@Revivalist
“conflicting statements from the Interior Ministry claiming that Benazir’s death was caused by shrapnel wounds to the head, later revised to “had bumped her head on the sunroof
January 1st, 2008 at 6:22 am
@econfused
agreed .. only time will tell. Every time I look at Pakistan, it feels like we are holding sand in our hand. We are racing against time. The issues are multi-dimensional. We need to get rid of army and we need to bring democracy in Pakistan. We as a nation can’t even come out of our shell and judge people on their merit. Slogans does not mean anything. there is a lack of genuine leadership, but atleast we can try picking the best what we got … we can see the trend. If one claims to be democratic, is he democratic enough to hold the same standards in his own party
please don’t ask me who is good .. because I am no different then you guys.. but all i know I have started thinking above the party lines .. First and foremost .. question the damn guy on his credentials and his actions. If they are changing by the hours trust me .. you not heading the right directions
Secondly… unfortunately no matter what some one says.. I can’t get over the fact that zardari can be sincere to anyone .. forget about the nation
January 1st, 2008 at 6:24 am
@Revivlist
Please read “Mush being the servant” as “Mush being the better servant” when my comment above comes out of moderation…
January 1st, 2008 at 6:38 am
Question is how we bring democracy? anytime a civilian will try to replace an army chief or ISI chief, its the civilian who has to go. These politicians did not show any guts till one guy stood up and said no to general. I think time is with general public now. CJ has set in motion a movement, which only appears to be subsided, in reality it is not. As Govt has to relase those judges and lawyer community leaders one day.
This movement (non-political) will bring a change. All generals think, they will be here for ever, but in life of nations 10, 20 or 30 years are nothing. It might seem like we are in circles, but its a closing circle against army rule.
January 1st, 2008 at 6:52 am
@econfused
you are right .. my hopes are based on non-political movements also. As far as saying no to general .. yes thats where questioning the credibility of candidate comes. If we choose someone who has hole in his own character and rely his/her election on army support, then ofcourse such person can never say no.
At one time I said AA deserting PPP and forming his own party with mustering support from civil society. The only reason was that on his own he has the guts to say no to any general, but when it comes to the party decision he has to embrace the decision which favors its top brass
As we all know AA was against the NRO, but BB did it any way .. and we saw how conveniently he was sidelined
January 1st, 2008 at 8:43 am
yaar AA aur kiya karta, he did his best while staying away from the NRO thing. Atleast, he didnt support it.
at massi
yeah it feel like he was on the same stage.
January 1st, 2008 at 9:20 am
@ enconfued
Asalamo Alikum,
1. “Really long post and in the end its restoring of Khilafah, What are you insane? when did you see Khilafah at work? What is Khilafah, how you bring it. Which version of interpretation you take
January 1st, 2008 at 1:32 pm
who else can give secure to killer near BB car. so government is completely involve in this.
January 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
@revivalist
Your long post shows its a mouth piece of Hizb Tahrir. You have all canned answers for my questions, similar to what I used to listen from “Tablighi Jamaat”. You made an assumption that I am a bad muslim and don’t know about “golden age of muslims”
1) My question was where was Khilafah, how was it implemented after the first four Khulfa
2) I can say your statements are also not true statement of Islamic history, as you are looking at other side of coin
3) If Khilafat is the golden way of doing government, why you don’t see it in even “SINGLE country” in muslim world
3) What is stopping it in UAE, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Turkey to name the few
4) Every system works, as long as there are set of laws, and those laws are equally applied to everybody
You can never have utopia, so get over it. Democracy can give you “You Khilafah” in Pakistan. All you have to do it is find enough people to like your version. We have see Amir Ul Momineen “General Zia Ul Haq”, and “Real Democracy Champion” Musharraf.
How and why should I believe you when you have a blatant lie lke “We have tested democracy for 60 years”. Where are you living?
January 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
The signals of suspicious person on the stage need to be investigated. Its hard to present a positive explanation of the wierd actions a mature person is making on the occasion. He looks to be person from inner circle of PPP or state provided security man. He may have information on BB’s movement which he was passing on to somebody monitoring him from distance; during his performance he doest make eye contact with anybody in front of him or the receipient of the signals. of course by sitting he is trying not be seen from his nearby people, by holding his neck he is pointing to the suicidal bomber ( see getup of alleged suicidal bomber, wearing a Chadder upto his neck with his face barely exposed), by looking his right hand side with bulged eyes he is pointing to the direction the target will be going to (BB’s vehicle left the stage from his right hand side) or he is instructing to someone to position the bomber to the direction indictaed by him with his eyes. I couldt make out why he bent over! His face expression are dead serious and noticeable.
somebody should pass this lead to GEO.
January 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Musharraf is resposible for BB death directly or indirectly,he is reckless person
and do what ever to remain in power.
January 1st, 2008 at 5:43 pm
The man is signalling a bad throat to some one infront as BB is not at her best of voice and tone. He leans down to avoid being seen by BB. He seems to be from lower ranks and is worried after his action as some one big may have noticed it around.
January 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Pervez Elahi said that Shehbaz Sharif was instructing on telephone to his workers to come out with sticks after BB murder.
It raises some questions?
How Pervez Elahi knows about the teleconversations of SS. May be IB told him, which is headed by Brig (R) Ejaz Shah whose brother is fighting on Q-league ticket and who was also named by BB in a letter before Oct 18 balsts along Wasim Afzala and Pervez Elahi. So may be IB is helping Chaudhries with intelligence and what else?
He has also threaned to use voilence in coming days. i think they have gone mad. After all PM ship is a big game.