These Mad Chaudhries need a Shaheed (even if their Shaheed is as ’small’ and as negligible like Ch Zahoor Elahi).

A friend of mine said that Chaudhries are using Arbab Rahim to attack PPP and they are provoking PPP supporters. He said they want at least one Q league leader to get killed so that they could use that in elections.

This video has been there now for more than two hours.

How come Mush/MQM lover Munafiqs haven’t started comments against NS yet? How sad that number of Mush lover has gone so low!! lol

No doubt, NS has showed good gestures and political maturity in recent events. However, being a national political leader, he should be careful in making strategic decisions. For example taking election boycott decision in such a hurry was not appreciated by most ppl.

@Optimist

That does not imply there are not many NS -haters out there either … I certainly dislike Musharaf, MQM, Q-league for many disgusting things, but none of those is even marginally as revolting as NS or his actions have been …. we, as a nation, have very short memories unfortunately ….

Guys just think it other way around also that people of Pakistan are very emotional, whatever he said was emotional reaction and sympathy he showed to PPP. Although i have noting to do with PPP but believe me i ve been weeping on 27 th when i heard this news and still i am in a state of depression.
GOD Help PAKISTAN. We are not in a position to give more IMTIHAN

Ameen

Its a mystery to me that how come someone can like MQM let alone love it…… No one loves mushi either but that doesn’t mean that he is 100% wrong in every single thing he says or does…..
Bescides while blaming mush on all the problems of Pak people generally dont blame other factors at all…… ppl forget what civilian politicians hav done to our country …..
chaudharies ( biggest lottas) need a shaheed then nawaz sharf also grew up in the lap of an army dictator..he and his associates have done damage to our nation as well when they had the chance … (although i beleive he is far more better than Q league) Only Imran khan is a hope to our future if he stops listening to that bloody qazi….. I have spent 2 years in Jamiat(unfortunately) and i know for a fact about the policies of Jamant-e-(so called) Islami

I agree that our politcians dont have a very good history, except few. But we have to remember that our country has been under general’s boots for more than 35 years of 60 years life. The rest of 25 years, no government was ever left on its own and ISI and other agencies were always involved in politics, wehther it was Afghan jihad festival, creation of IJI, MQM or powering religious factors of the name of Jihad and Islam. One should expect a solid political system OR pliticians after all this mess in the country. BUT one can certainly expcet and hope that politcians learn from past and try to imporove.

On that point, i think PML N, PPP, Imran khan, Aitezaz Ihsan and some other individuals/parties have done a lot and we can see they are improving. If someone has been bad in the past but trying to be better, then we shouldnt just discard him/her for being good JUST bcoz he/she has been bad in the past??? if we continue like this, we will go no where and will be stuck with a general after general….or people like rubbish choudhries….
So please give tham the space they deserve and keep monitoring them..obviously our eyes and ears are media like PKPolitics and tv channels like GEO, AAj and to some extent ARY…..
Lets hope for the best and keep Posting….

Aap ka khadim

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sorry missed a word…..

(One should NOT expect a solid political system OR pliticians after all this mess in the country.)

What a poor man Nawaz Sharif. I know he has some support in this forum but honestly speaking this guy has lack of decision-making and no communications skills at all.

He is relying on decisions of PPP and whatever they do - he follows. Dont he has his own ideas and political power???

He is on PPP’s knees because he knows that they are the only hope for him that he becomes PM. After Mush changed the law (No PM after 2 terms already served) and BB’s murder - he is the only 2 times elected PM in Pakistan now hungry for seat. And he knows without PPP support he can never unchange the law!!!

The best thing would be that PPP and PMLN should make a coalition and Nawaz should be granted Punjab’s presidency.

Is chaudary always drunk when he is speaking …. you even cant see his lips moving … I think his voice is coming out from somewhere else … hehehe

@fantagiri
i agree that he didnt show much of maturity expected…but still think he is sincere with the country…he took some decisions in a panic situation which he shouldnt have. Also NS should stop providing a helpding hand (he thinks that..but we see it as you mentioned) to PPP as Zardari has also commented that we dont need any BAISAKHI from anyone….

thanks
Aap ka khadim

@fantagiri
its a shame that we have “leaders” like choudhries…i some time think think..is that bcoz we deserve them????

Where is Mr. Imran Khan gone?

He always said “fight for judiciary” but doesn’t that mean fight for Justice. This shameless guy didn’t even went to Larkana to show respect. At the time of CJ removal … he was travelling all over Pakistan. Pakistani culture doesn’t teach him those things: If I hear that someone died I knew - I will definately go to visit his family - am I wrong??

I think he didn’t went to Larkana because he dont know what to say - he only knows 2 lines, which dont fit in this context
1) Adliya ko azad hona chaiye
2) Mush ne to mujhe kaha tha PM ban jao.

Oh man - you need sometime before Pakistani people vote you. After his stance against MQM he gained some sympathy in Sindh - but now he can forget about getting votes from Sindh.

Jiye Bhutto

MQM/Mush lovers are mostly Munafiqeen.

They start with a line to condemn Mush and then put all their efforts in blaming NS. NS has admitted that he was wrong to work with dictator Zia. Who else had the courage to admit they were wrong???

As far NS decision making power, he started most of the projects and planned many things without consulting the people who are busy writing against him on this forum.

NS’s opponents (BB & IK) all admit that he is a good person. Only Chaudhries and MQM are against him and we all know there realities. One is Qatil league while another one is Qatil Movement.

NS is from Punjab and he is working to strengthen Pakistan. Pakistan’s first two dictators were Pathan, later a Mohajir (Zia) took over and now another Mohajir is in charge.

Abdul Qadir Hasan is right when he points out that Punjab is proud to adopt Urdu. I think problem in Sindh is because of Sindhis not accepting Urdu language whereas in Punjab people speak Urdu with their kids.

Sindh Ka Punjabi Leader by Abdul Qadir Hasan

http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=Editorial_PAGE&Date=20080102&Pageno=12&View=1 id=

@optimist
I think u should be able to distinguish between good and bad,Nawas Sharif is a good and a sharif guy,probably u have very short memories,Musharraf is a murderer of own muslims,a drinker and a rapist,he is son of a bitch and his father is DAJJAL and his followers are enemies of Islam,he massacred everyone one in Lal Masjid because they believed in Allah and Muhammad (P.B.U.H),INSULTED QURAN ,burnt Quran ,son of a pig is he,SHAUKA AZIZ,SHEIKH RASHEED,CH SHUJAAT,CH PERVAIZ ELAHI,EIJAZ UL HAQ,MAULANA FAZAL UR REHMAN,AND IT IS ALSO NOW CLEAR THAT GEORGE BUSH PLANNED THE MURDER OF BENAZIR BHUTTO,AND CIA WAS INVOLVED IN DOING MASS RIGGING IN PAKISTAN ELECTIONS,

BUSH IS A TERRORIST,AND USA NATION MUST PUNISH HIM FOR SPREADING HATRED IN THE NATIONS,IT IS HIM WITH HIS FANATICS THAT THEY PLANNED THE Terrorist Attack on World Trade Centre,they did all these conspiracies,how come jews were not there on that day,BUSH IS A TERRORIST AND the war is for oil to control the energy resources and protect Israel and strengthen them and weaken muslims,SAUDI Arabia,UAE,QATAR,BAHRAIN ,Jordan,Syria ,Pakistan,MALAYSIA,INDONESIA,CHINA are all on hit list of great super power
USA and Israel ,

and they will take them down one way or other and control all the resources and kill every muslims and buddhist,but do they realize one thing,a challenege of QURAN, EITHER THEIR IS NO ALLAH and what ever revealed on Holy Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H) may God Forbid,is all but stories n Islam is wrong religion,they are making a mockery of islam,allah is watching and insha allah, allah will punish all these wrong doers,allah will protect this religion, and punish the wrong doers and enemy of Muhammad (P.B.U.H) ,they will be a lesson for waging war and killing thousands of muslims men,women,children,raping the women,Americans are not liberators now but they KILLERS,probably the USA Nation needs a psychiatrist as majority of them are psychos,most of them including their president should be admited in a MENTAL HOSPITAL,together with PIG GENERAL MUSHI and his murderers/Killer (Q) League and Maulana Diesel,murderer of Pakistani people.

@ Majorjk

Are you brother of ‘revivalist’??

This website is not for religious propaganda. We want democracy. We want to choose our own leaders.

If Mush start killing more people and use Islam, all the religious parties will be behind him.

Mullah’s memory is very convenient. Whenever they want, then go back to 1400 years ago and whenever they like they make Zia their Ameer ul Momeneen.

These Mullahs go on killing people and they say they are only bound by Allah’s Laws (which they get in dreams) and when they get arrested themselves then they talk about Geneva convention and Human Rights.

Mullahs are as bad as Musharraf.

@ Majorjk

Why it is only Mullahs who know what is good and what is bad?

How come it is ok for them to wear a Burqa and run away like a coward and then have the courage to say Holy Prophet allows such cover?

How come one Mullah does completely different thing from the other and both claim that Quran and Sunnah allows them.

Once BB was asked why the West is insulting Quran and Islam, she very rightly said:
‘The Mullahs have done such a dirty politics in the name of God
during last 20 years that has encouraged these people to do that.
No one dared that before Afghan War’.

NS has shown solidarity with PPP, if he had not done so sindhis would have blamed punjab even more, like they always do. He said that our actions may be foolish but were important to soothe the anger in southern pakistan. I was unhappy to see sindhis chanting slogans against punjab even when the reaction from punjab was very very severe. I wish islamabad and GHQ were both in some place else other than punjab.

@ Zenith

I agree with you about NS.

Altaf Hussain who was saying ‘Mutahida Mutahida’ also showed his real racist face when he said that Punjab has sent two bodies of Sindhi PM.

When MQM failed to finish BB in Karachi, Mush gave this job in the capable hands of ISI and she was murdered in Army city.

@ Optimist
Ur right sir. at times iam really disappointed in some people who blame all their troubles on punjab. When i was in punjab , i used to ask many sindhis, baluchis that do u feel scared here or are u feeling any difficulty here they said nothing of the sort, when i asked them why are punjabis not liked in ur provinces, they would give mix answers. The article that u pasted is the excellent summary of this problem.

@Optimist
@zenith

i hope and pray that u will be fine and in good health.
i want to answer u of ur comments on pathans dictators as i know
leader like ayub khan he do good for pakistan as well . u can name Zia ul haq
bcz he plays with pakistan and leave gifts for people of pakistan (e.g Afghanis
heroine ,MQM )
If u know the ayub khan shifted capital from karachi to islamabad otherwise
u will travel to karachi for any imp work .
there are always good and bad people but plz donot say sindhis , pathans
and baluch . try to be mature n resposible while commenting .
u know bettre that what nawaz sharif and shehbaz sharif done with country
and now what Choudrys are doing .
We should be unite and work hard for progress of the country not to fight
for punjabis , sindhis pathans etc.
thanks
Eisa london

@ Eisa

A dictator can never be good. He might personally do some good deeds but the implications of their rule are very serious and they can even break countries.

Punjab gave urdu Allama Iqbal, Faiz, and many others. Their first language was Punjabi. Same cannot be said about Sindhis. I believe in Pakistan. I just gave examples to show that blaming Punjab for everything is wrong.

Hamid Mir on BB (Senior journalist he is talking about is Najam Sethi)

http://jang.com.pk/jang/jan2008-daily/03-01-2008/col2.htm

@Optimist

thanks for ur kind reply .

why our nationa is not coming out of punjbi , punjab , urdu and sindhi.
now its 60 years of our country . now i am giving u some facts about pakistan.
1. when Bhutto called Dr. Abdul qadir khan from holland to come to pakistan and serve your own country . u know bettre that Bhutto was sindhi and abdul qadir
khan is a pathan . but at that time they were not thinking of there on product like for sindh or punjab or NWFP but they were thinking about pakistan .
now as we know that pakistan is 7th nuclear state in the world.
2. Imran khan he is a pathan when he bring world cup for pakistan at that
time he did not keep him in mianwali . but he bring it for whole pakistan.
secondly we cannot ignore the role of sindh , NWFP , Baluchistan.
i. NWFP producing electricity and have 2nd world largest dams .Punjab is largest consumer of electricity in pakistan . i personally visit very small villages in punjab and they have electricity .
ii. Baluchistan is the world biggest Gas resorvior (Sui) again the Punjab and capital is the largest consumers . same in baluchistan they donot have the gas supplies only the main cities.
iii. Sindh has the sea and sea port which is equally share in pakistan economy.
so it means that all the four provinces are necessary for each other to survive
and build a strong nation Pakistan.
Plz donot mind but urdu is our national language but look in competion in the world the urdu cannot work for us in this rapid world . there is no technology books or medicine books written in urdu .
there are different of medium of instructions in pakistan . URDU , ENGLISH regional languages . we have to change it from gross root level and introduce one medium of instruction which is i think should be ENGLISH not sindhi or pushto.
i have many indian friends they said me that we have hunderd languages in india but look they represent english thats how they are progressing .
even chinese and germans are now running towards english .
plz donot take that i am supporter of any political party or regional activist.
thanks take care

@ Eisa

I was just pointing to some things. I know that Urdu is only for beginner level and even Germans start studying English when they are specializing in technology.

I just get fed up with people who tell us that Punjab is relying on others. Bengalis always thought that we got their ‘Golden’ crop jute. Now they are eating their GOLD themselves without Punjabi Army and are worse off than us (I know popular belief is that they are better off). Their currency is weaker and Pakistan’s budget is more than double than their budget (Our GDP is nearly 3 times than theirs). Now they have Bengali army crushing their political leaders.

Singapore is the 1st world country and the richest in Asia. Its living standard is better than many European countries. It buys 60% of its water from Malaysia and 40% is purified from rain water. This shows that natural resources are not everything.

We should all live together. BUT and only BUT if other provinces think that Punjab cannot survive without them, they are wrong. They need us and we need them. We are better off together but it is wrong to degrade someone because of a rogue element in the Army.

@ Eisa

While you have mentioned how Punjab benefits, you failed to point out other things too:
Punjab provides man power for many development projects, not only in Pakistan but throughout middle east. Man power is a big concern for the whole world and some provinces (like Baluchistan) cannot survive on their dwindling population. Providing a Muslim and Culturally sensitive man power is a thing that THE most important thing for Pakistan. Look at the problem developed countries are facing when ‘foreigners’ come to them.

Punjab’ fertile land is suitable for wheat production. Its wheat is even smuggled to Afghanistan and other central Asian states by some smugglers to make more money. Even Pakistani wheat should not go out of Pakistan…

Many people don’t even pay electricity bills in NWFP. Whereas in Punjab, an average house pays more than 15,000 rupees per month. Middle classes (such as my family) have seen their bills double every few years. I think we would be better off solar energy. I am doing research on that. We need to exploit that source. Wind turbines are becoming very popular world wide too. With that rate, anyone can buy from anywhere. For Baluchistan, we buy electricity from Iran.

Even though sea port is very important, trade can be carried out through rivers and vast canals (such as Nile river) and International laws apply to Independent countries and they are allowed to use their waterways instead of another country’s sea port. It is like building a big motorway (water-way) if the canal is not vast enough.

There are only one Pakistani IT company in NASDAQ (called NETSOL) and that is Lahore based. In other words Lahore has been a HUB of IT for the last 15 years…

I could write many more things but I don’t think these forums are for such discussions. So we better focus our energies to fight against dictatorship - all of us United under our Green and White flag.

@Optimist
thanks for ur kind reply

i never know such important is Punjab with main power and all u defined.
so its bettre that pujab should be independent state if it can survive .
this kind of attitude damaged unity and destroy states as like 1971.
If a person from sindh calling , warning Punjab and other from punjab
says that we can survive without remaining provinces so we should think how our future will be .
and as u talked about IT so as according my information there are a lot of
multinational companies in karachi rather than lahore . how u can finger out only one company .
secondaly how do u know that people of NWFP cannot pay bill . the only problem is some areas in FATA they donot want to pay bill .
otherwise all the people pay there bill on same rate as rest of people in pakistan.
and as u raise conducting reasearch on solar energy do u think it will be sufficeint for heavy mills in faisal abad (textile mills ) which runs 24 hours a day.
we should be careful for comments with out knowing facts .
thanks

@ Eisa
Sir, firstly, I admire ur concern for being united and being only pakistani. Now, What is punjab. Why is there is so much hatred for punjab. U claim to have visited punjab have u gone to the villages and cities where people sell their daughters and children and even their own body parts to get some money. U have said if punjab wants it can be an independant state. Let me say this the down trodden punjabi people will never even think of that. have u looked at the reaction after BB’s demise? Sir, have u seen the hatred of MQM towards punjab. Why? everyone does politics on provincialsm. Many sindhis and balochs live in punjab and some are very influential they are never looked upon as aliens by the local population but punjabis sadly are. Why? No one truly represents punjab if u think that these chaudries represent us then I can’t say anything. Feudalism is the curse of our province and this gives us a bad name. Thats why I said that I wish some takes both Islamabad and GHQ to some place else. I sincerely pray to the Almighty.

@ sarosh.
sarosh do u dr salman sarosh.

@ sarosh.
hi , is your name salman sarosh?

@ Eisa

I just gave you one example. I said that this forum is not suitable. I did not mean that we are better off without Pakistan. Pakistan is my only hope.

I was just trying to say that this hatred against Punjab is unjustified. Buying electricity and nuclear energy is also an option. You just told us the things others were doing. I just told you that you are right but we should not forget about the contribution of Punjab.

If Karachi produces 60% of revenue (Bombay produces India’s 65% revenue and so does London) , this is not because of one city. The whole country contributes in finances and the whole country buys things that are manufactured and the whole country gives man power. If you decide to make another city hub of financial activity, that city will benefit. Simple as that. If we accept your proposition of separate country, then you minus 75% of population of Pakistan and when you don’t have 75% consumers, you can see what you can do with your production.

I have 1001 points and reasons. As BB said in Liaquat Bagh Pakistan’s heart is Punjab. This does not mean other organs are not important.

@ Eisa

Sadly, what I see in most comments is: we are having a pity on you. We do everything for you. You just listen because we are talking about united Pakistan without you being worth anything.

I just want to say we believe in United Pakistan more than anyone else AND we are NOT worthless. When I point out some of the things we are worth, then we hear that we want to destroy federation.

I had never known anything based on Provinces in Pakistan. I came to London and met a guy called Fiaz Khuro from Sindh who would tell white people that he is from Sindhu Desh. He told me that his forefathers told him if they see a snake and a Punjabi, kill Punjabi first. I heard similar things from many Sindhis. Then I shared a house with Pathans who said that we are told from childhood that Punjab is responsible for every bad thing. I had many friends from Karachi, who pointed out Karachi’s financial contributions. They hate ‘Punjabi army’ but support Musharraf because he has done ‘good things’. When I show them bad things, they say it is because of ‘Punjabi army’ and not Musharraf.

I did some research on different countries and showed them that for logistic reasons, many countries have a financial centre and this doesn’t mean that other parts of country do not contribute towards it. There are many countries who are surviving even without army let alone ‘a city with multinational companies’. Businesses comes where there is a large number of consumers and they don’t prefer countries that have a small number of customers. If we want to live together, we have to give respect to everyone.

Whenever I go to Pakistan, I tell people how much other provinces hate Punjab and they are shocked. Because we do not believe in racist propaganda. Our media is the same (while my friends read papers in local languages). We speak Urdu at our home. And I only realized after coming to London that my local councilor in Lahore, Babu Zamir Ahmad Ansari, is an Urdu speaking. We never thought on racial lines in Punjab.

@Optimist

i think the majority of sindhis i met are illetrerate class . the illetretae people who donot have exposure talk like this . the people like this always complain about people and always shows that they are victims (same MQM and Altaf ) .
i have many punjabi friends they are from well educated families i never heard from them anything ab pathans , sindhis , baluch . they all criticize on NS and choudrys as well .
so i agree with u on the point that we should not criticize each other on this critical time . Its the time to unite all pakistan and make a stronger nation.
these army generals and rulers always keep us in dark . they come for 6 months and stay for 10 years destroy pakistan and economy and then die in a plane crash .
thanks