Thanks a lot for the information.

For me there was nothing new in most of them but Saleem Shahzad is a new name for me and worth looking into.

may i have the oppurtunity to wish we only do constructive critism, stop critising people without substantial evidence as our religion also tells us not to demoralize and hurt self respect of other human beings.
Lets talk politely and sensibly
cheers

Saleem Shahzad is the name who attributed the BB’s assasination to Taliban/Al-Qaida within like 3-hours and posted it on an italian website. Right after that all the western media was kind of carrying that story.

As for business plus I guess I was expecting damage control for yesterday story about NS and interview with Business Plus reporter.

There are some other black sheep that are hidden and working in Media cells of Q league.

Now project of Q league (and MQM) is to spread ethnic violence especially in Sindh to get more votes. Q league even made a false report of 12 women being gang raped in villages (uses ‘Goth’ to make it look like a Sindhi village). The fake news item was never published anywhere but presented in an front page ad of national newspapers as if it was a copy of real news. This ad mentions Mohajirs/ Pathan/Baloach/ Punjabi victims and asks them to contact on the number. Many fake claims are being tendered to get compensation from taxes paid by Pakistani people. Please look at this racist ad on front page (also note that this has been contradicted so new ads are different from this one):

http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Index.aspx?Issue=NP_LHE&Page=FRONT_PAGE&Date=20080104&Pageno=1

Read Shaheen Sehbai’s report about calculated ‘damages’ in front of Rangers offices and in areas of Q league etc. Title of report in Urdu translates as Sindh is angry whereas Punjabi rulers attitude is not helpful

http://jang.com.pk/jang/jan2008-daily/06-01-2008/mulkbharse.htm

I have seen numerous articles by these ppl against musharraf. I dont know why you ppl judge things with such stupid benchmarks.

like
1) Everything in favor of goverment or musharraf is anti-democratic.
2) Everything that goes against PPP is likely to disintegrate fedration.

Please talk and analyse issues not personalities.

Dont make ppl GODS. Humans do commit errors. By saying this I am not supporting these ppl at all but PLEASE BE RATIONAL.

One BIG name you guys have missed is “Humaion Gohar”. He is also a close friend of Musharraf. One of few people with whom musharraf enjoys drinking parties.

Dear Admin,

If you have photo and information about Humaion Gohar, please post that as well. He is a BIG culprit, but many people don’t know about him.

@ ismi & shams

those articles are just for keeping fools confused.

There are many black sheep but this article only talks about people who are proven beyond doubt. How can someone be a minister and an impartial journalist. These people are allowed to show certain level of ‘disagreement’ but they always agree on big issues. Sometimes they change their tone when they need to raise their deal price.

Ask even the ruling party members (even Governor Punjab) in private discussions (off the record) and they will tell you about Nazir Naji and his rate!!

@ismi

What do you think is definition of being rational ?

Forget about PPP, forget about PMLN, and forget about every other political party.
Answer me only about ARMY GENERALS and especially MUSHARRAF. Who on earth gives them the right to destroy our country ?

Getting a batch from KAKOOL does not give them the lifetime membership of governing body of Pakistan. They are servents of our homeland, we pay them from our taxes. They are not meant to rule us.

Secondly the thing we need in pakistan is institutions, so i would agree let’s don’t focus on personalities. But give me a break, there is one peronality that i see crushing everyhing in Pakistan that is GENERAL MUSHARRAF. I am afraid we have to discuss him.

Okay one final question, Musharraf said there ought to be a some checks and balances everywhere. He planted an imported prime minister, crushed judiciary, gets re-elected from a parliment for 5 years which finishes in 5 days itsefl.

Tell me what method/way do we have to put any CHECK or BALANCE upon Musharraf ? Just tell me one little hope on that ?

Musharraf was boasting that Pakistan gives wheat as an aid to 25 poor countries. Maybe he should give that aid to his own country men.

State Bank has admitted that Pakistan’s economy is in a bad shape (we all knew because budget deficit has always been scary throughout this government).

There is no electricity, no Ata and Chaudhries and Musharraf are telling us that we are better off!!! Now even they are admitting that.

In case PPP or PML N are allowed to have a fair election and they form the government, they will be faced with 8 years mess and Q league/MQM will be blaming them for Ata/electricity etc. Generals should give 8 years to a civilian government and then compare themselves with them.

Situation is so bad that Chaudhries are liquidating their assets are planning to run out of the country. Altaf Hussain is already British (out of his own choice). I just hope that PPP and NS ignore these Chamcha journalists when they come in power.

@masood ahmad

you are abolutely right mate

how can earth these F.A pass jerks can declare themselves as the saviour of pakistan and can abbrogate constitution any time they like

mind you that my younger brother is in army and he is Lt. but he always try to sound like he is the saviour of my family so we have to change that mentality

@ Farhan & Masood Ahmad

These general are only good at waging a war against their own country/judiciary/people. They are losers of Dhaka, Siachen, Kargil and now Kashmir.

Those who claim that a politician failed and that is why an Army General became ruler, then we should appoint a politician (such as Jehangir Badar) as Chief of Army Staff because army failed in Kargil/Dhaka etc…

@Masood Ahmad

Well as for as the election of Musharraf is concerned I think constitution is very clear about it, The judiciary crushed by him was also brought in by PCO in 1999, crushing another bench, at that time when nawaz sharif was removed PPP guys were reported to be disributing sweets and thanked GOD that they saved the country.

But I dont want to go into that.

What I am saying is where as a nation we stand. We chant slogans of constitution and rule of law when we need it and close our eyes when it does not suits us.

This man is heading our country, thats a reality now. We have to look forward not backward. Now give him some exit strategy, Just let the democratic process come back on track.
What is done canot be un-done. And I dont see any revolution comming aswell. So let the things take its natural course, what best we can do is to judge his decisions rationally and then oppose it if those are not right.

By the way one single thing he has done for sustainable democracy is opening the Media.
I dont see army comming back now “yahan tak keh hamary politisians chok main kharay ho kar azan na daina shoroh ker dain keh come and save the country”

@ismi

I understand and value your comments, please don’t consider me speaking again as a counter measure to bring down your comments. But i have to say a few things very seriously.

I never support his actions of 99, never support his actions of 2007 either. The reason i spoke against his action of crushing the judiciary is not because it’s he who did it, it’s rather why he did it.

Do you know, no matter how Justice Iftikhar became the Chief, just look at his actions. See how he stopped the steel mil fraud, the issue of missing persons, the issue of big waderas and politicians doing wrong doings on poor women and men. Just take some history documentation of last 6.7 years in office of Justice Iftikhar Chauhdry. See how much in actual he proved to be for Pakistan.

It’s nothing being only anti musharraf, rather see why Musharraf being anti to everything.

Do you in Americal they still allow every individual to keep a gun, why ?. That’s just because they want to allow every individual to stand up against some possible dictator/ragime in a wrost case scnario. That’s how the nations earn and maintain their freedoms.

This MAN is heading our nation, because we have become almost headless. So the first step is not admitting and maintaining being headless, it’s rather to think and be strong against such people/regimes.

If you talk about revolution, well it’s already on the way. Now Pakistan is a different country. Like you yourself said army would hesitate in coming into action again, then think what’s the reason ?. If you suggest it’s because they have opened the doors for democracy and they really mean it, then you are still not living in real world. Let me tell you why they dont’ want it.

- It’s no more the erra of eightees, where almost every second pakistani would back them.
- army itself does not like body bags, now many army institutions are asking their staff to come in civilian dresses.
- the increasing awareness, especially after 9th of march has opened their eyes.

It’s not by choice they would have liked this, rather it’s by force they have been made to do this.

Coming to your point of media, well again Musharraf takes a lot of undue credit for this. I think much of this also goes to technology as well. See the total number chanels in india back in 1996/1997. There were about 10-15 and 2-3 in pakistan.
Right now there are about 50 in pakistan and over 300 in india.

Yet if i agree to a little bit of your suggestion that he gave freedom to media, but yet not on earth any where anything like this has happened what it did in pakistan during november. The journalists were arrested, lawyers were beaten, civil society was targetted.

Beyond all this i am not surprised on much of this, as this is quite part of their training as army men. After all they are low educated, fighting men. They are not logically skilled or enlightened people. All they need in life is to find an enemy and then destroy it. But i guess countries require much more than this, after all we are well beyond the stone age now.

Good analysis, but it would be un fair to these people if the author of this analysis is not willing to give some more details about him. Who is is this Dr… have not heard of him ?

CONSTITUTION is clear about it….. what a shame.

According to constitution Musharraf should be hanged.

I think those who support Musharraf are also guilty of supporting high treason and should at least be put behind bar to save Pakistan from such individuals.

@ admin

you should also play your part and ban those who support high treason. having freedom of speech is one thing and supporting those who have committed crimes against the country is another.

@ irfan

brother you need a new word processor. Or would someone please tell him that he doesn’t need to press ‘enter’ just to seek attention.

@ismi

“Any body who is pro-musharraf is anti-democracy”

would you care to elaborate how this is not a stupid benchmark. I think it describes very well.

“”All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.”"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam’s_Razor

@ismi,

I meant to ask WHY it is stupid benchmark.

“Any body who is pro-musharraf is anti-democracy�

Can you give some decent example of being Pro-Mush is Pro-Democracy. I know being Pro-Musharraf means Pro-Pakistani

@Navaid

Right, keep up the good work, I mean when we have brave people like you, how can we not have a free media. I mean do you also get paid? cuz I sure can use some cash. I will post as many comments as you would like. I mean specially this story is worth posting in all the popular websites.

@ Navaid

Ata ul Haq Qasmi has always been Nawaz Sharif’s supporter. His views are pro-Muslim league. He is not a lota.

Whereas Nazir Naji wrote in the 80s (that is when I started reading papers!) in Nawa i Waqt that he (Naji) was wrong to support Bhutto’s Socialism because Pakistan needed Islam (in other words Zia). Naji has been writing speeches of NS and turned against him when he left Pakistan. According to Hamid Mir, when Naji wrote against NS, everyone condemned him so he focused on Shehbaz Sharif.

He has been supporting Chaudhries and BB after NRO. When NS was given green light to come back, he tried to take his position by writing one or two columns in favour of NS. NS gave him no response, so he turned against him again. Nazir Naji has gained many favours including plots and appointment of his sons in LDA. Nazir Naji is under Metric and that is why he is sensationalist and his writings are based on strange logic.

There is no comparison between him and Qasmi who is a professor of Urdu literature, prominent writer and a poet. Only a Mush lover can see such a similarity.

@econfused

I had no intention in even mentioning this to anyone but when I saw this article by Admin, I was left with no option but to register by irritance as I am observing that every mistake by PML-Q (Lota / Qatil..whatever u want to call) is highlighted in the news section by Admin, but this particluar article wasn’t thought to be of any importance, rather those journalist (with Business Plus on top) was highlighted, which to me is being biased. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, that was certainly not the intention.

I was expecting that the Daily NEWS article would be published/included by Admin and it would be left to the intelligence of the subscriber to judge for themselves, but this malafide cover-up wouldn’t work.

@ Navaid

you are so fair. You had no option but were forced. Like Musharraf was forced to murder the constitution. Like MQM was forced on 12 th of May.

should I feel sorry for you repressed people?

@navaid

It was discussed yesterday, and check 3rd comment by me. This site is Pro-NS and I don’t see any thing wrong with it. It has covered for PPP very well also. This site is against PML-Q and anti-Musharraf, but I see all kind of comments. So your observation was nothing new.

Since business plus is Musharraf lover paper, so any news reported by them should be taken with a BAG of salt (not pinch)

@Admin
Thanks for highlighting these names as everyone needs to keep them in mind.
Please also keep in mind that the list is anything but complete. As mentioned before, please read the eye-opening paper “Zionist Mercenaries in Pakistan’s Secular Press” (brief intro ).

Another interesting insight can be had from Islamophobia in Pakistani Press

@Navaid,

Thanks for sharing the “News” which is from the source that is “News” itself, therefore you can never expect that to cover other side of story.

Please check the same story covered by BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/01/080104_businessplus_nawaz_zs.shtml

Admin

Zionism? They love Musharraf. He was given award for being friend of Israel. Guess who else was given that award? Salman Rushdie!!

President of World Jewish Council has visited President Musharraf recently (according to mainstream Pakistani newspapers) and is rallying support for him in US Congress.

zabardast:
this was my heart’s voice 4 so long!

@econfused

I jusd read your comments, looks like we are on the same page in fact you have put it in a much better way than I would have ever done. I recently (two days back) joined pkpolitics and at this point I am not a frequent visitor, now I would definitley keep your comments about the site being pro-NS in mind..thanks.

@Optimist

Like most people, I am also disgusted with PML-Q, MQM, Musharraf and Bhai Fazloo, but at the same time I do not consider NS as being the solution. I do agree with your comments about Nazir Naji being Lota, but at the same time this article goes far ebyond that by saying “With under metric education”. NS is now open to welcome all LOTAS from PML-Q ..is that based on some principal? As far as Qasmi is concerned, no one is challengins his capabilites, but you woul agree that he is shah say ziada shah ka wafadar when it comes to NS.

@Masood Ahmad

I really appreciate your thoughts and points.

Actually what we are discussing right now is the very revolution taking place. At least we hear and discuss each other’s point of view, we must admit good things and be rational. Unfortunately, our society is never rational and it hardly tolerates contradicting point of views. Instantly you can be declared KAFIR and Wajb-ul-katl. The ppl who killed Benazir must have killed her with the promise of heaven and saving of Islam.

So Army and Mr. Musharraf is reflection of our society. They are no alien force. They are our brothers, uncles, relatives etc.

So there are bigger issues that are the real danger to Pakistan.

These mujahideen were created on American agenda to defeat Russians. Now you have to pay for it what you have done in the entire 80’s.

Also Chief Justice was never trialed for the corruption charges against him, he was re-instated on the basis that he was mishandled by police. What if those corruption charges were true?

I think the real solution for this nation is that every body should be sincere what ever responsibility he is assigned to and remain within his limits and not interfere into other ppl’s bussiness.

@navaid

We are not same page. I would not highlight a story by businessplus. I consider myself a pro-democracy, and I don’t see a problem with the site in general. This site has provided a great coverage for assassination of PPP.

When you do not consider NS a solution or PPP a solution, then you have to provide an alternative. As this site does not think Army rule or Musharraf or PML-Q is a solution, and NS is alternative.

@Admin

Thanks for taking my comments in positive spirit and also sharing the BBC article which provides the other side of the story.

Oops — messed up one link above:

As mentioned before, please read the eye-opening paper “Zionist Mercenaries in Pakistan’s Secular Press� (brief intro here).

@ Navaid

You can claim that you are against this and this and this and this …. but your comments and efforts prove that you are only against Nawaz Sharif and all those who stand against Musharraf, who happens to be the biggest criminal.

MQM and Their allies are running a racist campaign to start ethnic violence in Sindh (for other side of the story: look at the links I have given above @ 1: 48 am).

I think admin should ban those who support high treason (Mush’s act of breaking constitution). And I am sure that you are not one of them (wink!).

@econfused

Every human with a head can see who is paid on this forum.

@optimist

I don’t think admin should ban such people. Otherwise how would I know how many lots mush got in his pocket?

@ Admin

Could you publish a report on this campaign by Q league (for reference my comments @ 1. 48). London based The Nation has written that this ‘news item’ was a fake and concocted to start ethnic violence.

I think this needs to be highlighted so that the Pakistanis warn eachother of this conspiracy to loot and plunder (Altaf Hussain is already asking big compensation to be paid to MQM). Q league’s contact list starts with Kamil Ali Agha and encourages its supporters to file claims and contact Kamil Ali Agah (his mobile Number is: 0300 - 944 5119).

@ ecoconfused

But Mush/MQM supporters are Munafiq. They claim to be against Mush but their actions tell a different story.

They have multiple IDs and their mission is only one: lie lie and lie. And when Musharraf is not defensible, they claim Pakistan is in danger so we should support him.

@ismi

Why don’t you enlighten us man, who is getting paid?

BTW when CJ stopped Hasba bill, why did not govt filed a reference then. Why March was picked? Alright we can fire a chief justice if he is corrupt. What would we do if Army Chief is corrupt? where we should go for that?

A good article (off the topic but worth reading) from Cowasjee on ISI’s role in politics:
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1143238

@econfused
Alternate could be Javed Hashmi or Raja Zafar-ul-Haque. By the way what makes you think that NS is the solution when he is welcoming the vary same people who were part of Qatil league?
I was not aware of Business Plus being pro-Musharraf, I read the story in Daily News and commented, thanks for educating.

@optimist
My comments were against NS because I thought that this particular article is an attempt to cover up for the Business Plus story. In my opinion there is no difference between NS, Musharraf, Chaudhries, Zardari, Altaf. The top leadership of all major parties PML-N & PPP should be replaced with people like Javed Hashmi/Raja Zafar-ul-Haque, Aitezaz Ehsan. I have deliberately not mentioned MQM as a major party as it is based on ethnicity.

@waqas

Remember this is an indian website. How could you expect any good for army in it.

@Navaid

Dude you are a funny guy, when soem one promotes NS is a solution, then it means Javed Hashmi and Raja Zafra-ul-Haque part of that solution. You joined pkpolitics and this story ticked you, but where was your common sense when you saw the story yesterday by Business Plus guys. In your opinion there is no difference, but most of the people see a difference in “For Army and Against Army rule”

Democracy is about majority and NS still enjoys a popularity, and same was true for BB. You cannot say the same thing for Musharraf adn Chaudhrys.

My experience on theses forums, people who put everybody put in one bucket are most likely for current setup.

How could you forget the biggest bigitor Zia Shahid, the owner of Khabrain and the News

Any way in the words of Faiz Ahmed Faiz

nisaar mai.n terii galiyo.n ke ae watan, ki jahaa.N
chalii hai rasm ki koii na sar uThaa ke chale
jo koii chaahanewaalaa tawaaf ko nikale
nazar churaa ke chale, jism-o-jaa.N bachaa ke chale

hai ahl-e-dil ke liye ab ye nazm-e-bast-o-kushaad
ki sang-o-Khisht muqayyad hai.n aur sag aazaad

bahot hai.n zulm ke dast-e-bahaanaa-juu ke liye
jo cha.nd ahl-e-junuu.N tere naam levaa hai.n
bane hai.n ahl-e-hawas muddaii bhii, mu.nsif bhii
kise wakiil kare.n, kis se mu.nsifii chaahe.n

magar guzaranewaalo.n ke din guzarate hai.n
tere firaaq me.n yuu.N subh-o-shaam karate hai.n

bujhaa jo rauzan-e-zi.ndaa.N to dil ye samajhaa hai
ki terii maa.ng sitaaro.n se bhar gaii hogii
chamak uThe hai.n salaasil to hamane jaanaa hai
ki ab sahar tere ruKh par bikhar gaii hogii

Garaz tasavvur-e-shaam-o-sahar me.n jiite hai.n
giraft-e-saayaa-e-diwaar-o-dar me.n jiite hai.n

yuu.N hii hameshaa ulajhatii rahii hai zulm se Khalq
na unakii rasm naii hai, na apanii riit naii
yuu.N hii hameshaa khilaaye hai.n hamane aag me.n phuul
na unakii haar naii hai na apanii jiit naii

isii sabab se falak kaa gilaa nahii.n karate
tere firaaq men ham dil buraa nahii.n karate

Gar aaj tujhase judaa hai.n to kal baham ho.nge
ye raat bhar kii judaaii to koii baat nahii.n
Gar aaj auj pe hai taala-e-raqiib to kyaa
ye chaar din kii Khudaaii to koii baat nahii.n

jo tujhase ahd-e-wafaa ustavaar rakhate hai.n
ilaaj-e-gardish-e-lail-o-nihaar rakhate hai.n

@ismi

Yes i would agree, discussion and sharing of views is the only way forward. Respect of views and ability to co-exist is the best practice. I think blogs like pkpolitics.com are a great addition for us as a nation. They are already proving well worthy.

On your point about chief justice, i agree the case was dismissed on technical grounds. But it was heard by almost the full bench, out of which some judges are still working as supreme court judges.

If we talk about corruption, yet again, there are pretty clear methods of putting people on trial. I don’t think putting some body on house arrest on the same eveing is by any means written in law. The investigative authorities have to pull together all the evidences, present them before court, the court gives a verdict and only then a person is entitled for punishment.

Where as what it happened on 9th march was the game of hours before Justice Iftikhar was under house arrest. Could you smell something from it ?

On one of your previous comments about presidents re-election, yes the constitution is pretty clear about it. It says no person holding an office already could take part in president’s election. Was that law followed ?

If Musharraf says that does not apply to me, then after putting in new judges, why would he need to issue a presidential order about removing those sections from constitution. Again can you smell something ?

More to this, by law president of Pakistan can declare emergancy. On 3rd of novemeber it was by the signatures of Chief of Army staff, and not the president.
A few days later the Chief of Army staff gives these powers to president. Now which law getting applied here. Again smelling something ?

Have you seen the revised Half-Nama for supreme court judges ?. It says no judge can give a decision against the actions of 3rd novemeber. So once more do i need to ask, do you smell something ?

Okay lastly, Musharraf said the emergancy is being declared due to law and order situation. He lifted it on 16th december, saying the law and order has improved. How do you see this, the situation imrpoved ( more than 15 attacks since then ), OR it was the presedential oath which got through successfully ?. Again smelling something ?

One last point, if Musharraf is very popular, why would he be so anxious to get re-elected from a parliment which is finishing in days time. Why can’t he wait on moral grounds for the new parliment. Again smelling something ?

Do you know what kind of daily expense the GOVT of pakistan is bearing on the security of Musharraf alone ?

NS has no patience to answer the real questions , actually he is exposed now of his abilities. he has to lose ,look he is staying home scared and perwaiz elahi is speaking at public gatherings .
NS can not get long with no body,
i have one story about him like to share withu guys ,
when he informed jahangir karamat that he has to go now from chief job ,
he asked him do,t do this thing with me ,NS ANSWERED you should talk to my father misn sharif, he may order me to keep u ,
J k resinged with honour……….
now his dad is not in the world that is why he confuse in his political descions . and he is flip flop…………..

@Admin
This might be a more informative link about Saleem Shehzad from DW than the one posted. You might also want to add the this link to Najam Sethi/Salman Taseer at the top.

And how about adding the paper mentioned above to the downloads section?

“this link” link correction:
this link

“this linkâ€? link correction (again) — hope I get it right this time — apologies:
this link

Sorry — the link just won’t go through. Here it is without encoding:
http://www.icssa.org/article_detail_parse.php?a_id=1181

@ nota
interesting article, no doubt that there are such elements, but this is not something new. Pak-Israel ties have been there, these guys are only trying to make it public. Israel is the next super power and are only using Us as a pawn. Every where there is a pro-israel lobby. An article “the israel lobby” which later elaborated upon in a book, created an uproar. Here is a link tfrom wikipedia to get some sort of insight into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy

@Nota
Tell me please if most of the Arabs even palestinians themselves have relations
with israel why not Pakistan. Give me pragmatic rationale not religious slogans.

@ Zufi
Its just a discussion, but we must be aware of whats happening around. The leaders of all these nations have relations with israel that too a hushed up one , but not all the people of these countries have such relations. Pakistan can recognize their right to exist , but not that of dominating. From a religious point of view, I think the link below would be more appropriate.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QDAMZChOqSs

Ismi

you are talking about giving this guy exit strategy - he was provided exit strategy by BB and he got her killed

This guy doesnt want exit strategy - he just wants a strategy that he should be LIFE PRESIDENT OF PAKISTAN

Come on ismi you think this guy is sincere for Pakistan. He has sold Pakistan to Americans

Parnab Mukarjee who is a very racist Indiian foreign minister is actually praising Musharraf and says that nuclear weapons in Pakistan are in safe hands. -

SOME OF THE GLORIOUS NAMES OF JOURNALISTS - who has given YELLOW COLOURS TO JOURNALISM

1. Ikram sehgal
2. Hamayun Gohar (the biographer of Musharraf)
3. Najam Sethi (the american agent - who persisted to say that Al Qaeda killed BB and when Baitulla Mehsood refused he did not publish that story)
4. Ifshad Ahmed Haqqani
5. Nazir Naji (who is now bought by MQM )
6. Saleem Shezad

Naviad

It doesnt mean that if Nazir Naji was right hand man of Nawaz Sharif tht he was right - in fact he advised him very wrongly and that is where NS ended up because he chose bad advisors.

Nazir Naji is a lota journalist and would remain that

Another addition to lota journalists are

7. Hussain Haqani

Another big name is P J Mir. Although he is not lota because he was and is always a staunch supporter of army generals and their collaborators. However I think that this man has absolutely no idea about politics yet he is a host of a political programme. He has an ugly record as a media advisor of Pakistan cricket team. He projected team as fundamentalist because at prayer times they will pray and he was very surprised that they even prayed in plane. I think he deserves a firing by ARY digital team. I ask all of you to analyse his credentials as an anchor as I may be wrong.

On another note I think that GEO has also surrendered to government as all their political programmes and relevant hosts are now off air. Can anybody comment.I think we have lost this institution of media which was an asset emerging on international stage and was a source of proud Pakistan. But unfortunately establishment in our country does not want any other institute except A ?.

This may be because of reason that Musharraf wants to prove a point which may be valid.Lot of media people reject claims of Musharraf that he gave independence to media and they say that they got this independence by a long and hard struggle. By snatching this independence he is trying to prove that he gave it and he has taken it.

@zufi
“Tell me please if most of the Arabs even Palestinians themselves have relations
with israel why not Pakistan. Give me pragmatic rationale not religious slogans.”

Just because some of the women are wh*res doesn’t mean all women should be I am not trying to be religious in condemning Israel or the Zionist lobby. If you don’t see anything wrong in what Israel is doing that you can go and kiss as much zionist a** as you want to. I am not here to educate you on Zionism/ neoliberalism/ neocons in a “comment” here. You can either spend the time to at least read — if you can read — what I am linking to before asking st*pid questions like “Why shouldn’t I kiss zionist a**?”

@c hussain
Certainly not to be left out:
Hussain Haqqani

Nota

In one way your point may be valid that if many arab countries have relations with Israel why not we.

But that is unfortunately not the only issue. At the moment if any muslim country in teh world is atomic power its Pakistan and they are considered as leaders of the Muslim world. So if they also give up the rights of Palesteninans then who would fight for their rights.

As for many others who argue that Isreal has a democracy - theoretically it may be true but actually it does not - because there are no rights for those people in Gaza and West Bank and the reason why Isreal wanted Gaza to be out of Isreal was not because it wanted Palestenians to have their own state but because of the so called EPIDEMIOLOGICAL BOMB - they feared that in years to come they would go in minority and then in Isreal also Muslims would be in majority - so that was not acceptable.

Thats why the sticking point in a peaceful settlement between Isreal and Palestenians are two main points. One is Jerusalam and second is right of return of Palestenian refugees to their homeland. Isreal knows that if it agrees to these two - then it would be a matter of time that they would be annilated even without firing a single bullet on the basis of ballot.

Thirdly and most important thing we must understand - America and Musharraf and Isreal have one thing in common - if you negogiate with them you are signing your own death warrant.
There are numerous examples - Benazir is the latest example. Yaasser Arafart negogiated with them and see what that did to him in the end and now what they are doing to Mahmood Abbass.

The lesson is that they NEVER FORGIVE THEIR OPPONENTS.

We are certainly not against Jews but definitely against Zionism.

the pioneer of yellow journalism is Zia Shahid, but for some years have been in the low profile. Can somebody comment !

@ jacknjill
Thanks for letting us know the ” enlightened moderation ” side of the NS story. No stupid propagandas or media tricks by PMLQ and MQM can save them. Its about time the establisment should avoid using their ponies (PMLQ, Mullahs and MQM ) for insighting ethnic violence and destabilising the country.

I dont understand one thing, if Musharraf is such a great ally or poddle or obidient servant of America THEN why the whole AMERICAN MEDIA(JEWISH CONTROLLED MEDIA) is saying one thing get rid of Musharraf.

Do anthing, any statement or whatever posible to destabalize Musharraf regime.

Any great democrate has any explanation.

Speaking of “yellow journalism” of the folks at DailyTimes, here is an example of how low they can get:
Here are a couple of the stories they published against the Wateen Telecom just because Wateen happens to be a competitor to their World Call service…

Sponsored News
Daily Times on Wateen

Mr. Najam Sethi’s name does not belong on this list, and the author of this article is either misinformed or just being naive or probably both. Mr. Sethi is a fiercely independent journalist and The Friday Times was one of the pioneers of truly independent journalism in Pakistan. Mr. Sethi spent time in jail during the dark days of Zia, and went missing under Nawaz Sharif and got released only after immense international pressure from human rights and media organizations including Amnesty International.

So please get your facts straight. You may disagree with Mr. Sethi’s liberal world view, but that does not give you the right to irresponsibly toss around terms like “psuedo-intellectual” and “yellow journalism” and undermine his professional integrity.

Dr. Akram Khan, you owe Mr. Sethi an apology.

An eye opener from Dr. Pervez
http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2006-10/18hoodbhoy.cfm

Here is Dr Pervez wiki page, so one can understand the value of his writing….
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pervez_Hoodbhoy

Unfortunately, we are living in country ruled by Military for more than 35 years directly and rest of the time interfering with the affairs of governments.
I hope people are more wiser than they were last year and this will continue to be so…thanks to GEO, Aaj, etc….
thanks

@Navaid,

I believe NS gave interview to hundreds of national and international TV channels and newspapers since he came back.

Why NS had trouble only with a channel that is closely associated with Musharraf? This was definitely a planned event.

THANK YOU FOR EXPOSING THESE CROOOKS. I HAVE ALWAYS HAD THE SAME OPNIION ABOUT THESE FALSEHOOD MONGERS.

Yes 100% agreed with “ISMI” US and Jewish simply dont want Musharraf in the Govt. and exactly thats why they all were supporting Banazir , And Nawaz Shraif.

I am also confused by one more thing. What was the pressure which make Nawaz Shaief comming back to pakistan right after a month when he was send back to Sauidi Arabia. Do you think that was Mushraf’s decision, who just changed his mind after one month of when he send him back from Islamabad airport. Definately it was some outside pressure which make him took that decission. and who can put that much pressure? its none other than US.

We need to think As a Pakistani, why US is putting that much pressure, what are the things which he want to get it done from “So called political” leaders, which he unable to get it done from Musharaf. or Musharaf havent done for him.

Having said that we need to think as True Pakistani. why we are fighting each other.??????????????

Please stay united. For God sake stop talking nagetive about our own country. Stop blaming Pak Army.By doing this what are we projecting about our own country.

Beleive me this is same very Army including Generals, which make our enemies(includeing India, US,Israel ) bleed. whenever they tried to put bad sight on our country.

WE SHOULD BE PROUD OURSELF BEING A PAKISTANI. WE ARE A GREAT NATION, WITH GREAT PEOPLE, AND GREAT ARMY.

Every nation had faced small little difficulties in the past. SO WHAT If we are in the bad time at this moment.

PLEASE STAY UNITED. AND PROMISE WITH EACH OTHER WE WILLNOT TALK BAD AGAINST ANYBODY AND WE WILL NOT TALK AGAINST OUR NATIONAL INSTITUTIONS.

I also wanted to ask about management of this site. freedom of speach is good. but fairness of speach is also equally important. i just wanted to ask why those Vedio clip are not upload on this site in which we give shut up call to western media. just becos its a Pakistani Govt’s version. Please be fair.

I m requesting PKPOLITICS.COM to please upload recent press confrence of our President which he answered the questions of forigen Gernalists from all over the world.

In this critical time at least there is someone(pakistani) With all his controversial image, who is ready to give bully to anybody who speak against our country.

AT THIS MOMENT OUR COUNTRY IS ASKING NOTHING ELSE BUT UNITY PLEASE UNDERSTAND THIS.

Nazeer Naji’s intellectual level can be judged by his column after CJ’s visit to Lahore by road,in which he recieved overwhelming welcome from the masses.Naji was such a bullshit that he could not find against the deposed Chief Justice so what he claimed was that the way masses supported and welcomed Iftikhar Ch was a clear indication that Pakistani people were against the extremism.Can anyone plz explain if it was really so.I am still mad about it.

Then before the Lal Masjid drama reached its peak in July, mr Naji claimed in one of his columns (I am not sure about the date but it was between February to May) that the mullahs and extremists of Lal Masjid had created an environment of fear in the city.No one is allowed to get through the area.Ladies can’t drive and bla bla.
My family lives no more than a mile away from Lal Masjid.I am still wondering they did’nt know about any such thing.Also the next day Abdul-Rasheed Ghazi stated in an interview that even his wife used to drive.

JEWS only want Musharraf.

That is why they are trying to force popular leaders to work with him to give him legitimacy.

World Jewish Council gave Musharraf ‘friend of Israel award’. Other recepients of that award include Salman Rushdie.

President of World Jewish Council says that Musharraf is his friend and rallying support for him in US congress.

He says that Musharaf has promised him to accept Israel after the elections (how can Musharraf promise on behalf of new government???)

JEWS SUPPORT MUSHARRAF

‘With the blessing of Washington, Jack Rosen, chairman of the American Jewish Congress’s Council for World Jewry, traveled halfway across the globe for a face-to-face meeting with Musharraf, who he had hailed two years ago as a courageous leader and driving force in Jewish-Muslim dialogue.’ (Report from the Jewish Daily Forward)

http://www.forward.com/articles/12080/

Mr. pkpolitics.com Is this, Is your version of fairness. If someone try to give otherside of picture you just delete their comments.

Can i understand from this that you want people listen and hear only your version of information irrespective of the fact if it is true or not…………………….

PLEASE DO MISS GUIDE INNOCENT PAKISTANIES.

U.S. Jewish leader Rosen visits Pakistan to support Musharraf

Israeli Newspaper HAARETZ
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/928287.html

AJCongress Welcomes Musharraf Statement on Israel

October 9, 2006- American Jewish Congress President Jack Rosen welcomed the statement last week by President Pervez Musharraf that Pakistan would eventually recognize Israel.

http://www.ajcongress.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6247

Musharraf on recognising Israel: ‘We have to be a little patient I need more support in my endeavors to be able to take the Pakistani people along with me. The people of Pakistan are too involved with the Palestinians and the establishment of a Palestinian homeland.’

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000493.html

@ jackinjill

thanks for the your post. Stand united to save Mush!!!

‘Patriotism is a last refuge of a scoundrel’.

ERROR

PLEASE DONT MISS GUIDE INNOCENT PAKISTANIES.

certainly country is calling for unity but that unity should be having a starting point from somewhwere. I am surprised that some people still have soft corners for musharraf. They talk about US media being against musharraf. But tell me honestly is it making any effect on US government? answer is none. He is an unequivocal ally of west. Yesterday EU also said the same. In Musharraf west has found a person who they can fully trust who can fulfil all their requirements.Sending Pakistan army to Iraq is not their dire requirement. No other muslim country has send any troops there. So they just made a request and quitely accedpted the refusal. AQ Khan issue he forced him to make confession on TV so the whole world should see that. Now portraying himself hero that he has not handed him over to Americans or IAEA. But honestly tell me and ask from your heart if AQ Khan issue is over. No it is there. They dont need AQ Khan because whatever he did they already know it. They dont need any more information from him. However they are keeping this issue for the day when they will not be be needing Pakistan anymore or when they have to make it a prerequisite to attack Pakistan to destroy our neuclear instillations and honestly that time is not faraway unless we correct ourselves quickly.

I stress starting point is removal of Musharraf and formation of national government of consensus which either should include politicians of good credentials from all the parties in the country or strictly non politicians of great calibre and credentials who have no prejudices attached to them and who belong to all the federating units. This government should adress immmediately the problems of food supply,power and energy, law and order and provincial dysharmony.Then it should work towards formation of free and autonomous election commission on the lines of Indian election commission. Independent judiciary be placed. All the judges who have now been inducted in judiciary -their credentials and elegibility should be reviewed and remove the ones below standards. Judges deposed on Nov 3 be restored except Iftikhar Ch and Ramday not because of their low integrity but because they have been politicised unjustifiably. Their services should be used anyhow for other constructive activities like making a law and judicial reforming commission and using them there.
There should be major changes made in the way our political parties are made and operate. Political parties should be obliged and forced to give tickets to people belonging to different sections of society so as to empower people from a broader section rather than only feudals and rich being awarded tickets. People belonging to trade unions, journalists, student activists. peasants and labour class, intellectuals, scientists,law profession,retired judges, retired army and civil servants. Political parties must be pushed to give atleast 50% of the tickets to these classes of people to start with.,
There should be overhauling of the way civil and military intelligence agencies work specially on the political front. Their interfernce inthese affairs should be made a public crime.
As part of national reconciliation all regional leaders belonging to various provinces should be brought back in country and commission set up to sort out the problem of provincial autonomy. This commission should give its reccommondations which should be incorporated in the constitution by the parliament which will come into existence after this national government has finished with the above mentioned tasks.

Special commission should be set up to look into affairs of tribal areas,Swat etcx.on priority bases.

I think without the above measures we are fast approaching towards doomsday.

i wonder where this bloody musharaf will take us…..here is another story…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/01/080106_us_covert_opertions_ra.shtml

Just want to appreciate the author of the column.
I was always uneasy while reading and listenning to the comments by Nazir Naji and Sethi.
truly are black sheep.
One name that can be included in the list is that of Kamran Khan from Geo. he also speaks pathetic.

Ok we can see the black sheep now lets take the next step?

Mr Mubashir of Business Plus is also a caretaker minister in a provincial govt along Mr Slaman Tasir in federal govt.
Ikram Sehgal has been supporting MUSH even in bad times as he also claims his friendship with MUSH. But even he was not happy with the events after Nov, 3. Nazir Naji is an oepn lota and has been supporting Mush and Pervez Elahi. He also tried to mend his relatiosn with NS but did not succeed fue to his past role. He has been playing double game and has been maintaining contacts with BB (was speech writer of BB in first term) but was exposed and then he was only relying on Chaudgries.
Najam Sethi was exposed (w/o naming) by Hamid Mir about his role in conspiracy against BB by creating differences with Hamid Nasr Chatta on orders of Laghari (establishment). it seems that Slaman Tasir and these guys have some important link with establishment to serve their cause.

This channel has been supporting dictator’s policies and are not ashamed of it.
My suggestion is that readers & politicians should remain careful of these black sheep.

@econfused
You didn’t answer the question, here it is again: What makes you think that NS is the solution when he is welcoming the very same people who were part of Qatil league?

Where was NS popularity before CJ’s case? He is the neficiary fo the circumstances and it has nothing to do with his leadership qualities or charisma. I see no difference as I consider them BB/NS/PML-Q/MQM to be opportunist, when the chips got down they become behan-bhai.

Waayhum ka ilaaj to hakim Luqman kay paas bhee nahee, so you can think whatever you like about my affiliations.

I want to see my country prosper and respected as all the rest on this forum, but do not believe (after seeing the past) that NS is the solution. These parties PPP and PML-N are the two parties who have got a number of talented and quality people but the issue is that the top leadership doesn’t allow the 2nd tier to become popular above a certain limit.

@ c hussain
You have given it a very simple cover, yes the leaders have advisors but in the end it is the leader who is responsible for the decisions and the advisors can’t be blame.

@ rasheed
This is not a convincing argument at all, BB appeared in much more interviews and many of those interviews were on international forums, yet she left the Jawabdeh show incomplete when she faced some tough questions, she had to be requested back to finish the show.

@Navaid,

BB Geo event is irrelevant. You don’t have any logical argument and intentionally diverting the issue. The point is that Business Plus is a Pro-Mush channel and they are the only ones who claim to have problem with NS.

@jackjill,

Only you are innocent here, all others are all with brains and grown ups who won’t get misguided by just an article on a blog. You better stop wasting your time here.

@navaid

You started with ignorance, you don’t like NS, and I have no problem with that. You gave Javed Hashmi and Zarfarulhaq as solution. Does that mean you support PML-N? If CJ issue has gave NS popularity, then who should be culprit not me I hope. You like Hasmi and Zarar-ul-Haq, and AItezaz Ahsan, if these guys are such popular, then they can leave and start their own party.

They don’t because they know parties are evolving, and they will play a role for this country.

@jacknjill

No, we cannot unite behind this stupid Army, stupid comments like Army can bleed india has brought us to this situation. Now army is crying like baby that India has consulate on Afghan border. This army can defend only if they are at border, and not in Islamabad. So stop posting stupid comments about army this and army that. We had it enough. Army should do its job.

@ rasheed

BB’s Geo event couldn’t be more relevant, Business Plus is a pro Musharraf channel..agreed, but this is not the only media which had problems with NS, you can go through his past tenure and see for yourself that NS has never been a champion of free media.

@all-against-israel

Don’t you guys think and we should come out of this hole of Palestine issue. Don’t you think its about time to think for our own country, where we have serious energy crisis, and don’t have Atta. Its atta at the moment and its going to be rice in coming season.

The way our current policies of govt are, soon Musharraf will be asking Israel on techniques to stop suicide bombings. You first put your own house in order, before going out and cleaning up other mess.

All right go ahead and start all hatred emails. Make sure its not just plane rhetoric and something sensible

@Navaid,

I can feel your hate against NS, just like others members are also pointing out.

There has been no single government that did not have any problem with media, so this debate is irrelevant.

If you want to keep diverting the debate to something else on your agenda, then no one can help you here.

@ rasheed
I have not diverted the debate at all, you have run out of arguments. Initially you said Business Plus is the only media which had problems with NS because it is pro Musharraf, now you have changed your instance and saying that “There has been no single government that did not have any problem with media”.

@navaid

This site seems to be pro-NS, but it does not mean that people on this forum would like any attack on media. We have to see what political parties (read PPP or PML-N) will do to media once they are in power.

You can just openly say, you don’t like NS, and we don’t have problem with that. Don’t hide behind Business-plus. I like NS, cuz he has people like Javaid Hashmi, Khawaja Asif standing by him. I like PPP because people like AItezaz Ahsan are there.

Give me a decent example from your beloved establishment.

econfused

Just a continuation of your comment I like PTI has the people like Hamid Khan.

@ahmed
@optimist

Article links posted by you tell exactly what I am saying. Its not quantum Physics.

What effect these articles have????????

Destabilize Musharraf Goverment.

@Navaid,

It is not me who has run out of arguments, you are the one who is starting a new topic by bring up things that happened decades ago. It seems you don’t any single argument to defend your business plus incident.

@econfused
You have still not answered the question, here it is again: What makes you think that NS is the solution when he is