Bhutto’s Murder & Probe Questions

Author: Amjad Malik

Pakistani nation amongst a few in the history of modern times who witnesses helplessly the political and physical assassination of any potential rising leader at the hands of mighty clan of few in last 60 years. After the death of Barrister Jinnah, the nation felt that Liaqat Ali khan will take the mission forward but unfortunately he was shot in front of his own people at Municipal Graden Rawalpindi in a daylight and shooter was shot dead at the spot. Another popular leader emerged within a martial law of Gen Ayub Khan and we saw the fate of Zulfiqar Ali Bhuttoo whom western world called ‘zulfi’ a man with a vision and passion for his country who not only inaugurated the idea of making this nation an atomic power but also signed to bring infrastructure as well as the man with know how. He successfully advanced the country on the route to progress front nationally as well as on foreign front but when his wisdom and skills came nearer to serve Pakistan at the highest level he was sent to gallows and ‘was made an example’ as he himself warned. His death was a fatal blow to the state of Pakistan. Even Gen Zia on 17 August 1988 was removed by a plane crash the reasons of which is yet to be probed fairly. Then came a businessman who aspired to translate this declining economy a vibrant, powerful and progressive market and bridge in between hot waters and states of Asia and his first reign was called a way to turning this country a ‘tiger of Asia’ as said by a top magazine of its time. However his rule was toppled yet again by a powerful military dictator and he was exiled in 2000 for the 7 years slot. And last on 27 December 2007, at the surroundings of Liaqat Bagh stadium twice Premier Be Nazir Bhuttoo was killed in mysterious circumstances and was removed from the scene thus signalling that any leader will have to work with establishment or else face the unfortunate fate.

Now the million dollar question is who will probe this tragedy. If the victim party is serious to probe their leader’s death then they will have to come up with the demand of probe first and power later and if they wish to gain political advantage or sympathy vote then they will have to move forward, I feel trying to achieve both may result in getting none. If they are truly after the mystery killing a serious concerted effort may be carried out to probe the facts, cause of death and perpetrators behind this attack and may reach nearer to a stage where the hand behind it seems a little obvious but may not know exactly who was it. We have seen in the case of Princess Diana of England and Wales who was queen of hearts was killed in a car accident in Paris and years on we are still wrangling questions about her death. John F Kennedy United States President was shot dead in a day light akin to Benazir Bhutto like situation and we are yet to know the truth. US, UK or Pakistan political murders are a mystery maze and unless local establishment is honestly desirous to know the truth, its seldom found.

Now the question is who will probe, I think national investigative agencies under a high powered judicial commission which is powerful enough to commission reports from all quarters consisting of a top non controversial SC judge ideally form Sindh, top military official (at least current or former Chief of Army Staff) and top doctor (international renowned or credible) which may take assistance and rely on foreign as well as national forensic and technical support may probe the few obvious questions as to cause of death and people who physically did it and who are behind it and it can be done locally as long as Pakistani administration is serious to assist and cooperate with that high powered commission. That is only possible if the govt have not made up their mind already as to who has killed and what has caused her death and looking at interior Ministry’s negligent press statements after the death supports the latter. In any event, if the consensus is achieved in establishing that Commission, it may find the answers to obvious questions as to the cause of death, and who did it like they did in the case of assassination attempt on then Chief of Army Staff cum President (i) General Pervez Mushrraf. Finding truth now after 4 serious top level killings in only 60 years is a matter of national importance, public interest and nation’s pride internationally which affects our status in the community of nations. If they are not serious then UN Commission or other Western countries may not be effective as well if not seriously and honestly aided locally and they too will come to a standstill at some point on the issue of who is behind it or they may find answers to easy questions and at a stage to find the last question as to who did it, the guess work may be used to aid the national interest of their countries if nothing clear and not the interest of Pakistan as a state .Pakistan which is strategically placed at a hot pot and centre of media frenzy due to being an atomic power does not deserve this treatment so giving the country in foreign hands s to play about on that serious question at a volatile time is not an ideal and practical way of reaching to the answers of the question which has become a national demand in unanimity. Whilst we must all call for justice with Be Nazir Bhuttoo still we must ask that the justice must be seen to be done. Musharraf regime will also be considering now after loosing the non controversial judges who could have handled this probe which could have given credibility even if they do not reach to the heart of questions but the damage has already been done by his own hands by nipping his own top judiciary and free media, the support he needed in this time of serious crisis of credibility.

Its time to change the course of our country and gem the crowd of people into a nation of 160 million towards building the country a strong and powerful developing tolerant Pakistan which has a role in community of Western and Islamic nations and realise too the danger the country is facing and that is not possible if from today we do not initiate the process of self accountability and march towards justice for all in our society. Establishment should look towards detained judges, incarcerated lawyers, martyred political leaders like Liaqat Ali, Bhuttoo’s, and confined heroes like Qadeer khan and disappointed Imran Khan and out of race Nawaz Sharif and ask a very simple question what was the main objective in obtaining Pakistan from the colonial powers and are we truly serving the state as was envisaged and chartered by its founder Mr. Jinnah, and why our popular political leadership meets the similar fate in their late 50’s when they are needed the most and are removed from power and scene mysteriously and is it not the time to stop this victimisation at any price if we are to progress further . Shall we not call an accountability on that very question first.

Amjad Malik is a Solicitor-Advocate of the Supreme Court (England) and a life member of Supreme Court Bar Association as well as Vice Chair of Association of Pakistani Lawyers (UK).

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  1. FarooqAhmed Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
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    I think, the government should use all means to find the culprit of BB’s assassination and that person should be trialed to the full extent of the law.

    I doubt that any one else other than Zardari had a solid motive to kill Benazir, but this should be proved as well.

    Musharraf said today that BB is responsible for her own assassination. I agree to this upto certain extent as it is very difficult to save or secure some body who is willingfully exposing her self, but still want the culprits to be caught who used the chance given by BB successfully.

    Former US president Kennedy was also shot when he was standing out from the sunroof of his car . After that US government banned the US of Sunroof cars for their executives.

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    Good article. BB’s murder investigation will go nowhere unless there is a free judiciary. Present judiciary has not taken any action on the problems faced by people of Pakistan. It is about time that nation come out on road without politicians because it is in the interest of People of Pakistan.

    It is unfortunate that Illegal president Mush has blamed BB. Establishment could have shot her anywhere, even on stage.

    Mush is hiding like a coward and blaming others.

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    @FarooqAhmed
    I think that time there was no roof on Kennedy’s car. He was shot dead while he was sitting. The inquiry report on his muderd was made classified for 30 years i.e. till 1993 but then extended to another 30 years which is till 2023.

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    @FarooqAhmad
    you calim to be PTI supporter but after reading your comments, I seriously doubt it. You are either MQM/Q-League or still decisionless confused man.
    Kennedy was killed in an open car and not when he was standing in a sunroof but still USA never accused Kennedy himself for that murder. you have accepted the logic of MUSH very easily and why? If a person is murdered due to his carelessness then it is still a murder and not a justification to forgive the murderer. If we accept your logic then Liagqat Ali Khan, Kennedy, Abrahim Lincoln, Bhutoo, Zia, Ghandhi etc were themselves responsibel for their murder.
    MUSH was himslef responsibel for the two attempts on his life, why he was riding a car when he could have used a helicopter.
    Zardari cannot prepare suiside bombers. He was out of Pakistan. Extremists and their controllers can do so. Haroon ur Rashid has revealed that some Mullah in NWFP was given a heavy money on 27 Dec. who was this Mullah and who paid the money.
    We shoudl ask following Questions?
    1-who let the murderer with a gun and suiside belt roam freely at exit of Liaqat Bagh.
    2-who was the man hiding his face with Chadar.
    3-who ordered washing of the murder scene.
    4-why BB was not provided with four security vehicles as per her demand.
    5-why there were only four policemen and that too not near the car.

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    I agree with FarooqAhmed, since Zardari is main suspect, government should pick him up and put in Jail. I mean he has spent enough time outside. While we are at it, we should put Naheed Khan, Safdar Abbasi and Ameen Faheem as accomplice to murder, since these guys did not stop BB from opening the Sunroof.

    We should also give medal of honor to people who solved this case immediately. While PPP should get Justice Qayyum as their lawer and sue the Vehicle maker for damages done ot government. Obviously the case should be filed in Supreme court of Pakistan, and I am sure we can get an hoest decision just before elections.

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  6. FarooqAhmed Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
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    @yaqub,

    You have started judging me again, which you are good at and this is what a person do with incompetence.

    I said that I think BB was responsible for her assassination as she didnot follow the security plan.

    She was required to get into the SUV and leave ASAP, and 4 mobiles were given to her to squad her. Getting out of the Sunroof was not in the security plan, if she was sitting in the car, nothing would have happened, as her car was bullet proof as well as bomb proof, and we have seen that nothing happened to Amin Fahim and Naheed Khan, who were sitting next to her.

    When BB came on Oct 18th, she was asked to use the HeliCopter by the government as there were known threats of Suicide bombing, but she insisted to come by road, resulting in the killing of Innocent 150 people, and BB should be hold partially responsible for those killing as well, as if she would have taken the Helicopter, she could have saved lives of hundreds of innocent people.

    Scotland yard is investigating the assassination, but look who didnot want them to come and who is not co-operating with Scotland Yard now to find the culprit, because all the investigations lead to one person, the answer is Zardari,

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    I am quite certain that nothing will come out in public.

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    everyone is accusing Zardari of being involved in murder because he has benefited most from death of BB

    Well the list of people who have benefited from murder of BB directly or indirectly are

    1. Pervez Musharraf
    2. Chaudhries of Gujrat - becuase their real opponent is gone plus they have got revenge of their father assassination as they accuse her brother to be involved in it - althought its another thing that their father supported Zia in hanging Bhutto and the judge who ordered his hanging is relative of Shujaat Hussain
    3. Nawaz Sharif - because now he is undisputed national leader of that stature after BB
    4. Army - because they have got rid of a person whom they considered always a security risk
    5. Lal Masjid clerics - because BB openly supported action against Lal Masjid
    6. Intelligence agencies - because BB had said that she would allow UN to question from Qadeer Khan and hence expose intelligence agencies and army
    7. APDM - as they have got rid of a main political leader who could grab their votes and they can deal with Zardari in a better way and also it proved that elections cannot be free and fair under Peja Musharraf
    8. MQM - who wanted to avenge for the action of Naseerullah Babar against MQM
    9. America - so as to create more unrest in Pakistan so that they can come in and capture nuclear weapons as they know Peja Musharraf is very weak

    And the list goes on and on

    Now would you still blame Zardari - I know he is a devil - but he doesnt have the resources to pay for a suicide bomber to come and bomb and also kill BB - although by default he has benefited most.

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    Farooq Ahmed

    You say BB was responsible - but according to the state - its goverment responsiblity to provide security. If Musharraf thinks we have to take care of our security ourselves then what the hell he is doing in President House and why do we have to pay the army by our hard earned money and taxes. We dont need them if we cannot even protect ourselves.

    She cannot be held responsible for that - it was Musharraf ’s responsiblity - as if you see the footage there were no police cars around and there was no police around at all and how come that guy came so near the vehicle.

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    Farooq Ahmed

    The analogy you and Peja Musharraf are giving is just like a woman who is raped - everyone acuse her that she probably got herself in a situation that she got her raped and those who raped her were justified. I really want to applaud your logic. You are no doubt a great philospher and logic master.

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    Live with Talat is back. I saw this oN jump TV.
    @Farooq Ahmed
    Just for you:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/miscellaneous/story/2008/01/080106_bat_say_bat_wusat_ra.shtml

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    Why is zardaris suspect.
    1. Did he manage to get the place of assassination washed within minutes
    2. Did he ask Prof Tassaduq to give false report
    3. Even if he refused post moretem but any murder victim is state property and family cannot under Criminal Penal Code object to post mortem
    4. Rehman Malik in writing had said in effecient security - so was anything done about it
    5. Did Zardari ask goverment to come with theory of lever

    Even if Zardari is evil and devil no one has right to throw him in jail until there is a solid case against him - just because he has been seen to benefit by default doesnt mean that he is guilty of the crime.

    If that is teh case then the first person who should land in jail should be Peja Musharraf himself.

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    @farooq You always make malicious remarks abt PPP & Zardari. One should talk sense. You are surely a paid professional writer appointed to post poisonous propaganda against PPP on 24/7 basis, (looks like a group of people is behind you); though there are a few others here whose sole job is to sit on this forum and push the agenda of their sponsors.

    I am not a Jiala. I m just an unbiased pakistani, and feel disturbed over such baseless concocted nonsense.

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    @c. hussain

    You don’t have to give that analogy, Musharraf actually said similar things for Mukhataran Mai. May be they should also have suicide FIR against BB.

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    The govt lever theory was a failure and govt decided to appolgise from editors of newpapers.
    the Toyota comapny had threatened Pak govt through Japanese embassy in Isb of a case in International Court of Justice for a wrong blaim on the car lever. after this govt decided to keep mum on the lever theory. the video footage avaiable has ruined the govt point of view. even MUSH now says that bullet may have caused the injury to head. why govt pressurised doctors to remain mum. what about the audio recording which fails to mention the incident of BB but was accepted as proof by goof. if Baitullah Mehsood can talk so freely on mobile/wireless and discloses his location and names of people involved then what forced him not to mention BB , gun shots and suiside bomber in that call. over all govt is in trouble.

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  16. FarooqAhmed Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
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    c hussian,

    I think, you are living in an ideal world. Pakistan is not ideal, even Musharraf has been attacked twice. No one is safe in Pakistan.

    Obviously the head os state is responsible for her assassination, but she was partially responsible and I accept that it is very difficult for a person who is going out to ask for votes not to expose her self.

    You are saying that no Poice officer were near her car, the reason is that the security plan was that BB would leave right away, thats why the police went into their mobiles to squad her.

    I ask you, you are complaining about police, what about PPP Jialas and her own personal security guards. Why they were not there to protect BB, as we all have seen the credibilty of these jialas after BB’s assassination, that they are good at destryoing things, why not they saved BB.

    It seems it was inevitable and we should accept that it had to happen, we can blame and point fingers on each other about their negligence, but it happened.

    You are twisting what I said, I never justified her killing, I said that the culprits should be apprehended. On the other hand BB didnot care about the killing of 150 innocent ppl, i think their life worth more than a poor ordinary Pakistani.

    Assassination of BB make me sad but I am not surprised, this had to happen when you are too Pro-US.

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    HOW TO RECOGNISE MQM SUPPORTERS

    They are Munafiq. Come here to say: I support Imran Khan but I think he is ……. OR
    I support Justice Iftikhar but I think Altaf Hussain is right when he says ……OR
    Don’t do anything because nothing will happen and Musharraf will remain OR
    everyone is corrupt so stop your struggle OR unite behind Musharraf because Pakistan is in danger…

    These people have only one agenda: to hijack decent conversation. They are scared of resolve of others so they want to distract them.

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    In Pakistan, Security is very tight and police checks every vehicle etc. Only way that suicide bombing can be carried out is with the help of infrastructure.

    In Karachi, they attempted because they had MQM infrastructure to get through 100s of Police check points. In Rawalpindin, they had GHQ infrastructure to get through security checking.

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  20. FarooqAhmed Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
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    One has to be a culprit to know a culprit

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    Farooq I agree with you

    The goverment can easily solve the problem and probe this - bys simply asking few questions

    1. Who ordered the crime scene to be washed within minutes
    2. Who asked Prof Tassaduq to give false medico legal report
    3. Who devised teh lever theory
    4. Why goverment was so adamant to rule out bullet as cause of murder and first said that she died becuase of shock of blast and then came up with lever theory
    5. Why did the goverment take three days to call in the army in areas where roiting was taking place
    6. Why Q league is allowed to take out half page advertisements which are repeatedly highlighting prejudice against the Sindhis - who is financiing them and why election commission is not taking any notice of that?
    7. Why is CJ Iftikhar still house arrested with his family?
    8. Why is Aitizaz Ahsan still under house arrest?

    And you are pointing the finger at Zardari. Would you also hold him responsible for May 12 carnage also? Why wasnt any inquiry not done in that case - was that because Musharraf is a Mohajir and he didnt want to go against his peer - the enunch Altaf Hussain

    And you blame BB that she came out - that murder was done right in heart of Pindi which is army controlled and its streets are sprawling with ISI, MI, IB and plain clothes army and policemen.

    By the way ARY is reporting that there have been some arrests from Swabi regarding the possible people involved in this murder after they studied footage. Maybe they might tell the agencies about Zardari financiing them??????

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  22. FarooqAhmed Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
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    @c hussian,

    I also agree with you to a certain extent.

    Only real democratic government can solve these problems, thats why I wanted PPP and PML-N to boycott the election as this would make Musharraf no choice but to step down.

    Once we get rid of Musharraf, the real interim government can be set up by EC and only then we can have fair elections. But unfortunately, PPP and PML-N did not listen to APDM and going for elections for thier vested interst.

    Democracy is the answer, these political might choose NS and Zardari as their leader for now, but as we let democracy to prosper, people will filter out these leaders and finally one day we will start believing in the institutions rather than personalilties. But these political parties need to be united to send the army back to barracks, which we all see that political parties have made it their habit to go to army and ask them to help them out and when army comes, every body distribute sweets. This needs to be changed.

    Please review your comments, on one hand you are critisizing PML-Q for prejudice and on the other hand you are doing it yourself. If it was only about the ethnicity army would not have accepted Musharraf for 9 yrs as we all know that most of the top notch army is punjabi. there is more to that and that is, army is united and thats why they have ruled us for more than 30 yrs where as our political parties fight with each all the time, allowing army to interfere.

    I think, if all the above is done, all of your questions can be answered fairly, but first these political parties have to be united to send army back to barracks and the first step to accomplish this is to boycott these illegitimate elections.

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    Pls ADMIN don,t post comments of idiot and nonsense people like farooq ahmed on this website.

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    @FarooqAhmed

    I noticed you are getting better in your arguments :) Keep up the good work. I mean you are for democracy, till all parties don’t unite, we should let Army rule us

    “Na 9 m’n tail hoga, na radha nachay gee”

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    @ Farooq Ahmed
    and all those who agree with the notion that “BB was at least partially responsible for being killed because she came out of sun roof of her car”.

    Please read a nice commentary on Mushy’s statement on this issue:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/miscellaneous/story/2008/01/080106_bat_say_bat_wusat_ra.shtml

    Hope it will help opening some eyes.

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    @ Farooq Ahmed
    According to you BB is responsible for her murder.
    Well…in that case we really dont need any police or other investigative agencies in Pakistan at least because this theory solves all the crimes…VICTIM is always somehow or the other responsble for being victimised. Plain and Simple.
    Go home people and just wait for your turn.
    What a piece of crap you have on your neck that you call a head with a brain….huh

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    @ Farooq Ahmed

    LANATULLAH e ALAL KAZIBEEN

    Jhootay per khudaa ki laanat

    U said that u r a supporter of IK…right?
    well i was ging thru ur previous comments and we can find most (infact all) of ur comments in favor of Mushrraf…..

    and many comments where u had been praising musharrraf….and comments where u ABUSED Imran khan….

    I beleive every one has the right to express his/her point of view freely and for that it does not matter which party he/she is supporting BUT
    no one shud be allowed to hijack a discussion with certain motive and agenda.THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

    I m telling u it is getting hard to fiind some soft words to convey this message to u.

    Now u still have one option left..and that is .to admitt what u have done, and to appologise and hopefully avoding such things in future.you can continue to support musharraf as per your wish but u have to be FAIR. Dont try to be too smart.

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  28. FarooqAhmed Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
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    Optimist,

    What I said that there were Jialas and her own security gurad present there, why were the not be able to save her? Answer this. They were not suppose to save BB? They were not there because some one internally from PPP executed this murder, as we have also seen in the footage that her personal manager was acting suspiciously.

    What I can see that you are not Optimistic at all, change your nick otherwise bring your head from where it does not belong. you know what I mean. We may disagree but you dont need to get personal as I can also start calling you names, its very easy.

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    Nicely written article but without substance. Mere narration of facts what we already know. I think we should be concentrating more on the aspect of why such incidences are taking place. I am 100% sure that regardless whatever commission is appointed the assasination of BB would always remain a mystery.
    In Musharraf’s interview that aired last night on 60 minutes, it was first time Musharraf made sense. There is a very thin line between bravery and stupidity. BB was outright stupid. Due to the threats she was using a bullet-proof car. Why in the God’s name she had to come out of the sun roof ??? No matter how good the security, if you pose yourself as a sitting duck, what would happen. It was like a target finding the bullet itself. BB had a momentary lapse of reason and she paid the price.
    Now who could be behind all this. BB had more foes than friends. 1) She was not getting along with Musharraf. Musharraf himself admitted that it was an ‘on’ and ‘off’ relationship. At times she really annoyed Musharraf. With Musharraf losing poularity, the west was planning to get rid of Musharraf the moment BB stabalizes herself as PM. 2) PML (Q) — The Chaudhris felt danger due to the advent of BB on the political scene. Not only were they upset at BB but were aslo angry at Musharraf for NRO with BB as the prime beneficiary. Chaudhris saw Musharraf tilting towards BB at times and showed resentment and rightfully so. They supported Musharraf for 8 years when he need their support the most and now Musharraf was bringing someone else to share the power. Who would have liked that? 3) And lastly, the extrimists. Simply, I dont think they did it. Firstly, BB was no immediate threat to them and secondly, whenever such group of people commits such an act they take credit for it. Not only they did not take credit they vehemently denied.
    But why Pakistan has come to all this. Our politicians like Ahmed Raza Kasuri come on TV and talk about patience. Ist it a joke. The bigger joke is Musharraf thinking of Nation over his own power.
    The main culprit is our corrupt judiciary. I was shocked to see one of the clips on youtube where Dr. Nasim Hassan Shah admitted in ‘Jawabdeh’ that judges yield to their monetary aspirations. Unless and until by some stroke of good fortune, we have a few good men in our judicial system we are doomed.
    This judiciary is our main cause of instability. If we have an honest judiciary, nobody would dare step on somebody’s right. The poor would not be scared of the rich. Those who actually deserve to be at a position get a fair opportunity rather than falling a victim to nepotism.
    Look around you. Dont you think that if we have an honest judge over 80% of other things would fall into place. Ah! Wishful thinking !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  30. Amir Hameed Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
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    I have read only the first few paragraphs and I would disagree with the writer on a few accounts; one being the vision of ZAB. ZAB was no doubt a leader material but he did make some serious mistakes. He tried to steer the country towards the socialist style system; I still remember the long rationing lines in the 70s. He also made serious mistakes by forcefully nationalizing all private indistry and schools. He should have realized that government can never not run any industry and that innovation only comes from the private sector. I still remember the day when I went to the school after my school was privitized; the owner had removed all the furniture from the school and we sat on the floor for the next few years.

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    @FarooqAhmed,

    What I have noticed that your underlying support is for Musharraf. I mean there is nothing wrong with it. Its nothing to be ashamed off. Did you see Justice Qayyum, or Naseem Ashraf or Ch. ever show any shame in supportign Musharraf. Its somewhat anonymous forum, so why try to twist things? I mean people openly say whom do they support here.

    To tell you the truth, I felt your comments were exactly like Maulana Fazlu. As far you know Maulana is also for democracy.

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    @FarooqAhmed/Jackal

    Yes she paid the price, but does that mean we make up stories how she died. Is it not the duty of the government to consider it a crime and do the right investigation?

    Should we always the blame the victim and never do any thing about crime. You guys forgot, but Musharraf has similar view about Mukhataran Mai.

    These things can happen to anybody, wouldn’t you like some assurance that your government will find who are the people behind crimes.

    In Karachi, people loose cell phones on the road, should they stop carrying cell phones?

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  33. munnabhaiMBBS Says:
    January 7th, 2008 at 10:25 pm
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    @Jackal
    Nice comment . But you are missing one thing
    “OUR PURISRAR GHAZIES”
    It wont matter even if you have good judges.What happened on Nov 3rd.
    Army did the Boria Bister Goal” of these judges.
    As Ayaz Amir said “Thow this half million army into Arabian sea. and nothing will happen to Pakistan security”
    Once you have an army doing its job,what it is supposed to do.Only then you would have other things fall into place.
    AHHH wishful thinking..

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    There should be a comprehensive investigation into the assassination case of BB. But this should also include the high profile people in PPP, especially the chief security officer and Zardari as well. We know his past and politics is a dirty game.

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    @ FarooqAhman

    I don’t even consider you worth replying to. I hate MQM Munafiq (don’t mean those who sincerely and openly support MQM).

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    @ FarooqAhmad

    The person who addressed you was ‘optimum’ as I don’t address those who have such a twisted brain and agenda.

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  37. Mera Pakistan Says:
    January 8th, 2008 at 2:25 am
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    Like always, Stupid fight is going on here rather than a sensible debate to try to solve the problems Pakistan is facing.

    My BP rises after reading these hatred comments being passed to other fellow muslims and Pakistanis. This is SICK.

    I am seriously thinking to stop coming to this site. this site is not only Pro-NS but nowthe good thinking behind the opening of this website is BACK FIRING, as I see more hatred here than discussion.

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    @Mera Pakistan

    This is not hatred, its frustration toward all those people who want Musharraf regime to continue. The argument is always like this, the best option is boycott, since PPP and PML-N did not boycott, lets keep the thugs in government.

    Sites primary purpose is still to provide you the videos of political programs. To bad there are none on TV, admin is still doing whatever it can.

    Frustration is also toward people who twist the facts and hide their true position toward twisted facts.

    I mean if you guys want to support Musharraf regime, just openly say so. By looking at some of you guys, I have started to develop a respect for AG Qayyum, Sher Afgan and Barrister Saif, at least those guys are not hypocrites and standing by Musharraf openly.

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    Pl read two good articles about Mohtarma’s murder and the aftermath
    who killed BB: a Russian Intelligence report to President Putin:
    http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1060.htm

    US plans attack on Pakistan:
    http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/foreign/display.var.1933388.0.Special_forces_on_standby_over_nuclear_threat.php

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    @ Farooq Ahmed

    So now its PPP workers and jialas around BB who are responsible for BB’s murder because they were supposed to protect BB and they failed….vow..nice twist Farooq Ahmed.

    Well…what the heck do we have this huge army, police and security forces eating up billions of ruppes of budget every year? So the victims and ppl around them could same themselves on their own????

    Farooq, i seriously fail to understand who you are and what motives you have and what kind of twisted line of argument and thinking you have…just a mystery….Well I guess, another of God’s creature.

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    @enfocused

    Nobody here is implying not carry out any investigation. But I agree that BB is to blame for her own assasination. It appeared that she was an educated lady and a shrewd politician. One should be extremely careful in this part of the world when issuing statements. There is a time and place for every word and every action. Only to please the west one doesnt go out blindly and opens simultaneous frontiers like BB did. She was issuing statements against the establishment as well as the extremists and then popping her head out of the sunroof of the car amongst a heavy crowd. What should one expect??????
    Those here who argue about the presence of security and police etc etc., my dear fellows , even in countries like U.S. in 80’s there was an assasination attempt on Reagan, eventhough he survived but bullets did enter his body. Despite the fact that secret service was around him and despite the fact that he didnt make any ‘courageous moves’ like BB did, do you think that secret service is to blame?? It is simple, if I have security around me but I still start mingling in the crowd or show myself up in public as an open target then I myself should be blamed the most.

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    @azlone

    Blaming BB is one thing, but covering up the issue with stupid statements is another. Everybody under stand that it was the lack of judgement at the spur of moment.

    Did you recall How Musharraf changed ISI head and attack on him was investigated. People within force were found involved in his attack. What we want is an honest investigation. We do not want statement that she banged her head on sunroof lever.

    Now Musharraf lovers, just keep on blaming BB. The next best thing they do is Zardrai. Don’t you think that if Zardari can be suspect, why not also the names mentioned by BB in her letter.

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    @econfused

    All the forensic evidence washed away and its very unlikely that body could be exhumed, one should not expect miracles under the prevailing circumstances. I think very soon Scotland Yard would also be on their way back.
    My dear you talk about what should be done, whereas I am telling you what would and would not be done and their respective remifications.
    Wanna play blame game, ok, there is Musharraf, their are the Chaudhris, Zaradari could be the one and then there is Baitullah Mashud (the unlikeliest of them all ). Pick any…

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    @azlone

    I understand the would/should/could part. Do you agree with govt claim that she banged her head on lever. Where is would/could/should on that?

    All forensic evidence washed away, may I ask by whom? were those Baitullah Mahsud Fire brigade squad?

    Who am i to blame? when whole society is morally corrupt, when I say whole it does include me.

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    @econfused

    Thanks indeed, Your last sentence says it all….you are absolutely right ….and….that was my whole point.Q.E.D.

    So tell me , if people like Zardari or Musharraf become our rulers dont we deserve them?
    Even when there is loadshedding for 8 hours in day we are still fighting among ourselves on which dam should be built and which not….dont we deserve the current state of affairs??
    Our elected representatives (the Govt.) first announces a bumper crop and exports excessive wheat at a lower price compared to what is being offered in the country today. Who is to blame for this? America, Osama bin Ladin or us Pakistanis.
    God works in mysterious ways. We should look at ourselves first. The West is not even half as corrupt as we muslims are. And the worst part is that we do all in the name of Islam.
    I remember a story told to me by my elders that once a christian owed some money to a muslim. The muslim kept on asking for his money but in vein. Full of frustration, the muslim goes to the christian’s pastor and complained about the christian who owed him money. After listening to the muslim the pastor gave him a note folded in an envelop and told him to give it to the guy who owed him money. The muslim did just as he was told. To his surprise, the christian guy went inside and returned his money immediately. Before leaving, the muslim, being inquisitive, inquired what was written on that note that made that christian do what he did. The christian showed him the note, it said, “since when have you adopted muslim habits”.
    No doubt, We have come to this…

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    @azlone

    The only problem is I don’t consider that as elected govt. We have yet to see an elected government. I can still dream about it, and I know it is not a silver bullet, but for once I want to see how does it work. We don’t need a single person throwing away the parliament at his will.

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    @ Frooq Ahmed
    @azlone
    @jackal

    An eye epening article. Munnu Bhai dissecting the Govt’s IF theory (if BB would not have come out of sun roof, she would have been alive)

    Well, I hope you guys are not bent upon just holding BB and anyone else in the world responsible for her death except MUSHY and his agencies.

    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/jan2008-daily/09-01-2008/col14.htm

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    @optimum

    Quote from movie Interpreter.

    “An almost-assassinated leader gets so much credibility, he can do anything he wants… and stick around to enjoy it.”

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    btw do we know who was almost-assassinated?

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    Well, probably nobody would ever know who was behind all this, but BB sure made the assasin’s task real easy.

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    Altaf Hussain i don no what 2 say abt this guy, he lives in london and speaks abt sindi. i give gurantee 2 all of u the day he got pakistan he ll b killed, and i m pretty sure the killer must b from MQM, y did i say must be from MQM coz they r victims. He is the person who has created lot of problem for urdu speaking guys , they r not save in whole pakistan except karachi just because of him. we got only one choice Imran Khan , who has always been a great hero for pakistani nation and a very very true son of soil. Sir Imran Khan, Sir chaudry Aitzaz Ehsan, Chief Justic Iftekhar Chaudry, Javed Hashmi and true voters they can make the difference. rest every boady is not trustable. I request all pakistani students who r out of country plz do something for pakistan, this is right time when pakistan needs pls pls do something if u can? AGKHAN FROM LONDON

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