Hina’s analysis on NWFP and tribal areas was extremely naive and deliberately deceptive. She’s trying to complicate a situation whereas it is pretty simple. If MMA mullahs had given them Shariah, there wouldn’t be any problem, so I don’t know what she’s on about. Give them Shariah law and there will be peace in those areas? But then there’s another problem, under Shariah law you cannot stop Afghani freedom fighters, who are resisting the American occupation from taking refuge there, which Musharraf and his American masters cannot allow.

So right now our country is on fire because of America, and sadly American interests are more important for Mush and his generals than the interest of Pakistan, so we cannot have peace in our country until Musharraf and his generals are there. Also, if anyone thinks they can defeat or stop these Pashtuns from fighting and force them to give up their rightful demands, they should read the history of this area and these people. There’s a catch 22 situation here and we should decide whose interest comes first, America’s or Pakistan’s. We will see no peace until we get rid of these America ki Najaiz Aulad Musharraf and co.

Hina’s was brilliant.

Excellent analysis of a very complex set of issues facing our homeland. She has been able to string the common thread through the seemingly diverse and unconnected occurrences in our country. I fundamentally believe that militarization on colonial lines of any country is directly linked with increase in militancy. There is no way you can manage militant behavior with a military force - just no way, especially in this century. It is the only military lesson of the post World War II world. Look what happened to the US is Vietnam! Look what happened with the US policies in South America! The US and NATO have not succeeded in Iraq or Afghanistan either. In fact the writing is now on the wall that once the US leaves Iraq, the Bathist will be back in Iraq and Taliban are already getting stronger in Afghanistan. The lesson for Pakistan therefore is that our army cannot succeed in controlling the North West, or Swat or for that matter the rest of the country. Military action against your own people is exclusionist by its very nature and creates more militants than it eliminates. Look what we did in East Pakistan. Let’s not repeat the same mistakes in what is left of Jinnah’s Pakistan. Let’s include the “people� in the process of governing themselves and let them eventually resolve the issues. I am proud of our diversity, our Sindhis, our Baluchies and our Pathans and our Punjabis and our Tribals. We are all one and have to be one. We have to see through the divide and rule policies of the remnants of our colonial establishment. They don’t want to relinquish power to the people - they don’t want strong political leaders. But there is no other solution. The only chance for Pakistan is a sustained effort towards fiercely independent Judiciary, fiercely independent media and a truly Peoples Democracy. We the people will blunder and fall and loose our way but in the end we will get there and make Pakistan what it could have been and will be one day – As Patriot & A Fedralist and A Liberal Democrat I believe in that.

@Pakistani 2008,

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As a Pushtoo- I was quite disappointed by Jilani’s interview .
Hina Gilani by her interview has shown that she is completely unaware of what is going on in NWFP and Blochistan . The same is true of Musharraf and his cohorts.

Perhaps it might help Ms.Jilani to go to various areas in the NWFP and find for herself the facts.
In Blochistan- the federal Govt is functioning no more than a colonial regime .

The problem is actually quite simple- when the Govt. attacks it’s own people wheather it is in NWFP or Blochistan- the people will rise and fight back . If you want to stop the violence- stop attacking the people and stop stealing their assets.

Excellent interview, Great job Admin. Can Gul could be more aggresive just a suggestion

A very poor analysis by Hina Jilani on NWFP, tribal areas & Balochistan and I think she lacks information and doesn’t know ground realities of these areas.

Analysis of overall Political situation in Pakistan by Hina is very good. A well conducted interview by Gul Bukhari.

Good job Admin, keep it up.

Hina Jilani is wright on money regarding the very dagerous and volatile situation in Pakistan. She has a good grab and full understanding regarding political situation in Pakistan. Her analsysis about the dangerous situation in Pakistan is thorough and is well taken.

Yes indeed Mush and his regime are fully responsible for the current mess in our country. She is right to say that Mush has been wong every step of the way eversince, his Kargill Fiasco. He then hijacked the civilian govt through illegal coup in October of 1999, which was in clear violation of Article 6 of the constitution. He then attacked the judiciary twice and was successful in destroying the indepency of judiciary. For the reckord sake, he is the only Military dictator who has imposed Marshallaw tivce.He and his mafia regime have been very active in brutalizing innocent people of Pakistan. He has been successfull in dividing the nation and has braught the country to the brink of civil war. Of course, he has accomplished his evil objectives with the full support of Military. He is the one who has created rift between Army and the civil society. He is the one who is using armed forces against innocent citizenz of NWFP. I don’t believe for a moment that the good people of NWFP are millitent or terrorist. They are patriotic Pakistanis and are being killed by our army men on the order of this sick man.(MUSH). He is a psychopath, reckless, and very very danerous. He is irresponsible and must be stopped to protect Pakistan. This individual has wreaked havoc on Pakistan and it’s citizens. He has terrorized the entire nation and still is unaccountable. He has repeatedly broken laws and has comitted crimes of high treason, and as yet has been not prosecuted. He has tampled the constitution of Pakistan and still is in power.

She is absolutely correct in her statement regarding the situation in Blochistan. She has elequently elaborated the problems and possible solutions. Her concerns regarding the threat to fedration is real and must be addressed promptly.

Lastly, I would like to thank Hina Jilani for sharing her knowledge, her concerns and her services to Pakistan. Every citizen of Pakistan must listen to her.
Surely, It was a great honor for me to listen to her.

In my opinion the prevalent conditions, especially in North-Waziristan and Swat is the result of years of deprivation by the state machinery towards these impoverished areas. It’s a form of a soft revolution, where people living in poverty stricken areas have finally decided to take action. In waziristan its a combination of foreign occupation/invasion and the above mentioned reason. Of course there is exploitation politically by everybody who can influence events in these areas.

An interesting and frank interview where Hina is not at all afraid to call a spade a spade. Obviously, she speaks from a liberal and what I would call a humanist viewpoint which may not be to everyone’s taste but has to be taken very seriously.

Her analysis of the general political situation is perceptive and thought provoking. However, with regards to Baluchistan particularly, I would be very interested to hear views of any Baluchs on this forum to comment on the relative exploitation of the ordinary people by the local (i.e. Baluchi) feudals apart from the Federal government. From a pretty far away reading, I would hazard that the causes for the deprivation and resentment of people in the province are multi-faceted and not only to do with the misappropriatoin of their natural resources.

I would also have liked to hear Hina’s views on where she sees the lawyers’ movement going in the current politcal context as most political parties seem to be (at best) paying lip service to the restoration of pre-emergency / martial law judiciary.

Overall, very good work by the pkpolitics team; keep it up!

Dear All
Pakistan or Punjabistan
The problem in Baluchistan, FATA and Swat is very simple. Pakistan is ruled by ISI and Military. 95 % of the Army is Punjabi and the rest urdu speakers MQM. Punjab elites and ISI has colonized Pakistan. They are taking $ Billions in Aid and under cover fueling and creating religious militancy for their nefarious designs. On one hand they are developing Punjab and MQM controlled areas, developing urban centers, industries and Freeways and on the othere hand Pak Army and ISI erected Madarassas in NWFP and Baluchistan’s length and breadth to nourish these innocent souls for extremism . MMA was brought to power by Musharrf ISI through rigging in NWFP and Baluchistan. Qazi of Jamat was a right hand man of Ziaul Haq for 11 years. Sharia is a drama. You cannot bring Sharia in one part of a country, it should be adopted through out Pakistan. The fact of the matter is no body want Sharia. Sharia is very vague and in lum sum its Mullah Raj. Mullahs are the most corrupt people in our society. These religious extremism is the creation of ISI and Army in NWFP and Baluchistan to keep in 7th Century.
Pakistan has to change or change its name name to Punjabistan.

@ Jamshed Khan

please take your provincial mindset elsewhere. the army head is not a Punjabi, and most of the previous dictators of Pakistan have been from the NWFP, people like you are two-faced hypocrites who like to take advantage of any situation for their own parochial agenda, whatever the hell that is. Nawaz Sharif is the only popular Punjabi leader to rule Pakistan, the rest were all non-Punjabis. stop spreading your lies and hatred here.

good effort by pkpolitics but very poor views and analysis by hina jilani about pakhtoonkhwa situation.it would be better to take views of local and affected people and not of those people who knows nothing about the particular area ground realities and situation.

@ Traffic
There is no provincialism here. Mosm leageue was founded in Dhaka in 1906, then why East Pakistan separated and why we don’t speak about it. GM Syd participated in Pakistan Movement and later was turned a Traitor. Only Punjabis are patriotic and anyone who speak for right is a traitor. Open your eyes. What Gen Zia did 27 years ago, now we are reaping it. All this Taliban drama was created by ISI.
Yes I know the Head of the Army is MQM Jiallla. The 20 Choor commanders are Punjabis. Army is looting an plundering the nation for last 40 years and Punjab is silent because they are their own.
Pakistan Army never won any war, lost 1965, 1971, Siachin and Kargil. Pak Army is recruiting innocent young students and send them to Kashmir to fight their proxy war, is it not a Coward act. Baluchistan is backward and the scapegoat are Sardars. Have you ever thought about FATA. What is FATA. Why FATA exists anyway? Why did the center no merged FATA in mainstream Pakistan? Because Islamabad wants to keep NWFP divided and in dark ages.
NWFP and Baluchistan represents 60% of Area of Pakistan and 23 % population, yet they do not represent 5 % of Islamabad and Foreign Office. 6% of the budget from Islamabad goes to NWFP and Baluchistan. Is n it a SHAME.

One of the sources of continued trouble in our country is the US and West centered policies of our establishment and these have never helped our country. They have only helped the army and the establishment. In fact in recent years, the so called war on terror has had a devasting impact on FATA/NWFP as well as the rest of the country. What is a terrorist? Can anyone define that for us? Are people fighthing for their basic rights and fighting against injustices terrorist? Give the people of FATA and NWFP their rights and some sense of justice and you will not have the so called terrorist. I am a Punjabi myself, but I fully blame the predominently Punjabi Army and Establishment in excluding the other provinces from any decent share of resources. We have to share resources in proportion to the populations and we have to move towards more regional foreign policy to stablize our country. We have to forge serious strategic alliance with Iran, India, China and Afghanistan (in a post Karzi environment). Karzai is a US stooge and you can’t work with the US backed fascists. TIME FOR A CHANGE.

@ Anyone quick to point at Punjab

Dont blame the lack of leadership in the country on any province. Our so called leaders/administration or better call them looters had never been sincere to anyone, any province but to themselves alone. Its easy to point finger at punjab being the most populated province and thus naturally having more share in administration. The poor in punjab is as poor as anywhere in the country & corrupt of punjab is as rich as anywhere in the country.
Atleast, the civil society of Pakistan should think above the provincial divide and work towards one common goal; upholding Justice! Only this will allow the rightful share of every person to reach him/her, no matter where they reside in the country.

@ Jamshed Khan

no use arguing with you. anyone who believes that people should be blamed based on their ethnicity is an idiot of the highest order. what was ayub khan? yahya khan? the first dictator of the pakistan army who hijacked pakistan and opened the door for military intervention was a pakhtun. you talked about east pakistan, well i think it seperated because of the discriminatory policies of the pakhtun dictators ayub and yahya, and the mass murder of bengalis by pakhtun army commanders like general tikka khan, also known as “Butcher of Bengal”. also it was a sindhi and not a punjabi leader called bhutto who refused to acknowledge the victory of mujeebur rehman and hence caused more resentment in the bengalis. then another sindhi leader called benazir bhutto looted and bankrupted pakistan. ofcourse this does not mean i start blaming pakhtuns for all this, like you are doing. then after that a muhajir bastard came and hijacked the country, and we have been miserable ever since then. this muhajir has an agenda to break up pakistan and its hypocrites like you who play into his hands. i wouldnt be surprised if you are a closeted musharraf supporter trying to spread fitnah here.

@Traffic
Paki Army is 95% Punjabi and ask any Bengali and he will tell you about East Pakistan. Ayub Khan was Hindko (half punjabi) and same was Yahya khan, don’t count them pathans. It was during Ayub khan that made west pakistan one UNIT and made it. Tikka khan was from Miawalli and Punjabi. You will also call A D Khan (Allah Detta khan) a pathan. Punjab was the most loyal army of British India and even fired shots in Khana khaba in Mecca. The only reason ISI basters and Paki Army is ruling Pakistan is because they are Punjabis. The only reason Pathans are slaves in pakistan is because they are very very very ignorant and very very very Islamic fanatics. If they were not religious fanatics, I swear to God Punjab will never be able to rule Pakistan for a single day. Q League is punjabi and so is N leageue and let me tell you if Laloo Parsad became pakistani President then there will be L league in Punjab. Punjab just want to rule, whatever it takes. They will be loyal to Lalo Pa jii too if he became a PM. I think time has come that you open your eyes.

@ Jamshed Khan

ok stay immersed in your stone-age ideas about race and ethnicity. the world has moved on and you are still stuck on punjabi and pakhtun. and if pakhtuns are part of Pakistan because of their religiousity, then whats holding the sindhis back? or the nationalist balochis back? why cant they get their rights? dont swear to God about things you’re not sure of, it might be backfire on you, fear Allah. I am a punjabi and i hate the army as much as anyone else in Pakistan, and i probably care more about the innocent people dying in NWFP and trial areas than you seem to, because you just dismiss them as religious fanatics. your hypocricy is very clear for everyone to see, just stop pretending to be what you’re not and tell everyone that you are a Mush/MQM supporting Muhajir who is trying to spread fitnah here. im not replying to any more of your stupid posts.