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  • econfused said:

    This article has put in words, what I have been trying to say. I did post earlier that it is no inefficiency of government, but actually it is a criminal act. The question is who will punish people involved in such heinous crimes.

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/atta-crisis-case-must-be-filed-at-international-court-of-justice

  • zenith said:

    The good news is that President of Pakistan has finally taken notice of this crisis and has intructed the authorities to take action. ( in other words carry on). Now people will have to come to the streets. but what if they do, they might be greeted by some frustrated, lowlife bomber. One things for certain, no matter how long they rule, all these government people, especially Mush will meet the most dreadful fate ever met in our history.

  • c hussain said:

    Every Pakistani should write one letter to Gen Kiyani to depose Musharraf, restore Constitution and judiciary and form national goverment to oversee fair and free elections if Pakistan has to surivive. It wont cost that much money to post just one letter. The population of pakistan is 160 million and even if one million do it thats enough.

    Address

    Gen Asfaque Kiyani
    Chief of Army Staff
    General Headquarters
    Rawalpindi

    Thats it. Enough is enough now. How long we Pakistanis would just wait for a miracle to happen..

    Jo qumay apni madad aap nahi kartiheen Allah unki madad nahi karta.

  • Asif said:

    Its just one of the results of “Injustice”

    Only one solution.

    “Insaf, Insaf aur bas Insaf.”

  • ibnbatuta said:

    @ c hussain,
    why do you seek kayani’s involvement? There is a Japenesse saying, do not wash blood with blood.

    Ibn Batuta

  • c hussain said:

    Ibn Batuta

    It is a fact – although a very unfortunate fact – that neither awam nor politicians have guts to take on Musharraf although they had numerous chances esp the politicians – BB was the first example who did a deal with Musharraf at his weakest moment when CJ was restored.

    So who is going to remeove this guy – he would only go after bloody revolution – he wont go quietly. He would rather have all Pakistan bathe in blood and broken up in tatters than leave quietly.

    There is only one person who can throw him out and that is from army – Kiyani being obvious.

    If you have any alternative please do educate me I would love to hear your opinion

  • ibnbatuta said:

    @c hussain,
    by your own logic, we must also say that Kayani has also not shown guts to take on Mush. He has not been able to even get his official residence from Mush?
    But let us accept that he is the only one who has this capacity, why do we assume that he would use it and that even if he uses it, it will be in line with what you are hopping? More likely it will be a gimmick to save the army rule by removing one face and putting on another. At most he would remove Mush, talk about how now things will be different now and then continue with the same policies. Restoration of judiciary and constitution back to Nov 2 is not in the interest of army or USA and hence Kayani will never do it.
    So what is the alternative?
    History is a good guide. Not our limited history but world history. Those nations who have waited for a Massiah have only got destruction. The only option is a political mass movement. If that is not posisble, I am afraid then we are doomed to slavery and oppression. If there is anything we can do is to work for creating political awareness, motivation to rise for our rights and realise that sovereighty belongs to people. Again, do not wash blood with blood.

    Ibn batuta

  • econfused said:

    @c hussain

    I would second @ibn batuta, we don’t want any involvement from Army what so ever. If Army has any respect for themselves, they should stay away from this mess. It might take a little longer, but the movement has started right after 9th of March. It will come to its logical end.

    He cannot keep Aitezaz and judges under arrest forever. If you are asking who would remove it. People will remove him, if tries to install PML-Q government. Musharraf only chance of survival is to reconcile the differences between PML-Q and PPP. If he is able to pull that trick, then I seriously have no hope.

  • Democat Pakistani said:

    @ chussain

    I humbly disagree with your solution.
    BIG NO TO ANY RULE OF ARMY.
    The first step for reconciliation is restoration of judiciary and independent election commision. Musharraf has to agree with this minimum requrement, if he wants any future hounarable exit.

  • Amir Hameed said:

    Kyani was the SOB’s (Mush) most trusted person; that is why he was made head of the ISI and later on promoted as the COAS. Why would he go against his former master? It is true that he is wearing a different cap now but I believe that it will not change his position.
    If army intervenes now then we will never be able to get out of its (army) grip. This is the first time, as far back as I can remember, when people are openly insisting an end to army’s intervention into country’s political affairs. As far as the atta crises is concerned, everyone know that all the hoarders are sitting with the SOB (Mush) and therefore, could never been in a more safe place. One of the hosts from Bolta Pakistan had once stated that “these agencies knew exactly in which cave Akbar Bugti was hiding but how come they don’t know who these hoarders are”

  • kinnare said:

    Every Pakistani should decide it Pakistan or Pakistan Army? Time to choose is now.

  • Meetha Sach said:

    Atta Solution:

    Shove the filthy face of Mush in Atta till he comes to his senses or loses them.

    About throwing off Mush in the gutters. I think that Kiyani if ever intervened would do it in his own interest and would become another parasite to get rid of next.

    See Iran’s example. The Shah was far more powerful, ruthless, better ISI version (SAVAK), feverishly supported by US etc. But when the sea of people (all very different but having a common denominator ie Anti-Shah) swarmed his palace no protections could save him. We need people from ALL walks of life to physically join in and create that critical mass which would be unstoppable. People can start off by complete Civil disobedience.

  • zenith said:

    All the army officers have a fraternity and they never go against each other especially when serving. I dont know why people say that kiayni will take such an action. Miracles do happen, but this is highly unlikely. Mush has aqcuired special constitutional powers and he is an undeclared king. The army supports him, the only thing we can do is hope for the best. I think if this continues, some day our own people will ask the americans and foriegn forces to come liberate pakistan from our own army.

  • Amir Hameed said:

    The SOB (Mush) says “I’ll quit if majority demands so: Musharraf”:
    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20081\13\story_13-1-2008_pg1_4
    He is still living in some illusion that the majority does not want him to quit.

  • Amir Hameed said:

    Rana Bhagwandas house arrested:
    http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/jan-2008/13/index7.php
    This government is afraid of everyone.

  • ibnbatuta said:

    @Amir Hameed
    This is a pill for the foreign media…
    in reality if such a thing happened he would use 58(2b) and address the nation…meray piyaray humwatano…
    it is interesting that Mush is giving so many interviews to foreign newspapers…and the interviewers are very soft on him…
    It was sad to see that today’s DAWN made this news one of its front page headline. The article then had just one line on this matter.
    Ibn Batuta

  • zenith said:

    There was a news today that an american journalist has been expelled. the article below has the full details.

    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jJhMtnpx1-jqgshNhbhcqWRMbauQD8U4H7G00

  • ibnbatuta said:

    here is the article…
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/magazine/06PAKISTAN-t.html?pagewanted=print

    ibn Batuta

  • zenith said:

    @ibnbatuta.
    thanks. a good article; I dont know why the writer was expelled. One thing I dont understand is that Do these local talibans want to impose islamic law in that particular area or the entire country. If they just want to have islamic laws in swat than they should have it. Thats the only way to pacify them.

  • Optimist said:

    We, Pakistanis, have decided to give Illegal President Pervaiz Musharraf two titles as a recognition for his support of Atta smugglers. We hereby suggest that Pervaiz Musharraf should be addressed as one or both of the following titles:

    1. QUAID-E-QILLAT

    2. ATTA CHORE

    He has earned these latest titles and they add to a long list of others that we have been giving him in recognition of his efforts to bring Pakistanis to its knees.

  • Traffic said:

    @ zenith

    “I dont know why the writer was expelled”

    he was expelled because he presented a true picture of the reality, and didnt punctuate the article with “terrorists” and lies about how “evil” the Taleban are, which the Mush regime wants us to hear. i would rather live in Swat than in Musharrafistan anyday, and I’m sure the people over there have much more justice than the rest of Pakistan. may all of Pakistan be liberated from Musharraf and his army.

  • zenith said:

    @ Traffic
    I agree with u. I said that as i thought it was nothing in that article that defamed our mighty ruler Mush. New laws have been passed that give the authorities power to close channels news papers etc that publish dematory material against mush. The army on the other hand is not an angel army itself as many UN reports say that pakistani troops have been found indulging in extremely immoral activities while on UN peace missions, no wonder we hear from PTV that the pak army has returned after completing its peace missions; the countries expell them.

  • Traffic said:

    @ zenith

    this army is nothing but a bunch of mercenaries who have sold off their souls and religion for a few thousand rupees, to kill innocent Muslims to fight America’s war, while the generals take billions of dollars to fulfill their lusts and desires. i pray for the day that this army is disbanded and the generals publically hanged in the streets of Rawalpindi. that will be the true Day of Independence. so far the only ray of light i see in this dark tunnel of Musharraf’s rule is the mujahideen, because unfortunately this country cannot be liberated from these generals and their army by peaceful means as much as we would all prefer it to be that way.

  • c hussain said:

    I agree with all of you that army intervention in not a solution but what you guys are proposing is not going to happen. Do you think that one day Musharraf would just step down and say – look guys i am sorry i am leaving and he would just walk away.

    No that is not going to happen. A person who has blood on his hands and has been directly involved in assassination of so many people would take such a risk.

    Now the question is how would he go. The judiciary under arrest and political parties dont have guts and unity. The army is involved in NWFP, Balachistan fighting against their own people.

    Do you guys suggest that would India come to save us – like they did in 1971 when they came to save Bangladeshis from the army – let me make it clear – they would never do that – thats why suddenly their Defence Minister Parnab Mukerjee is saying that Pakistan has got great resilience and would bounce back and that Musharraf is their best bet.

    So guys where do we go now – maybe just sit and home pray to Allah – and you know what Allah would do – He would send more Ahzab on us because He doest not help those who dont help themselves.

    The only way Musharraf can is go is b y violent means. thats all.

    By the way the hot news are that Shabaz Sharif had secret negogiations with Brigadier Niaz who is agent of Musharraf and there is some sort of talk about National Goverment. Thats why Nawaqz sharif, Zardari and Imran Khan have all started to talk about National Government suddenly. The question is will they accept Musharraf as President while they join National Government.

  • c hussain said:

    Admin please put up a section on question of formation of National Govenment to elicit the views of the visitors here

  • c hussain said:

    Meetha Sach

    I fully agree with you =- that is the ultimate solution – come on just a march on Persident house by million people – joined by police also – and that is end of he story.

    No one has to be violent – no one has to be killed – just a peaceful march. and then sti there

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