Comments on: Another 12th May Expected?

By: Ilyas khan Baloch

Ilyas khan Baloch — Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:05:03 +0000

Dear Sir/Madam,
Dare to raise your voice for the inevitable socio-political change in Pakistan, to empower the Pakistani , the country belongs too.

Since the creation of Pakistan the Pakistani people are left at distant from the corridor of power so that the ruling elite can do what they wanted to do in favour of their interest, leaving the Pakistani people at the mercy of circumstances. As this policy is denial of right of Pakistani people to rule their country according to their aspiration and desire to built this country, which can provide equal opportunity to all without any discrimination for the establishment of welfare society. Only the society base on tolerance, equality and justice can be the real guarantee for the prosperous and strong Pakistan there for your intention is invited to the crucial movement which could be the point of distraction or disaster.

We have already lost the major part of Pakistan in 1971 simply to save the centralised sole power to exploit this country by the ruling elite they let the country break in part then allowing the masses to rule this country democratically. In the present circumstances we are again dragging our sovereignty at stack for the external interest in the name of national interest, instead of our interest i.e. the interest of Pakistani people at large.

The only way out of these crucial circumstances is the only way to empower the common Pakistani at grass route level i.e. the change of system. This change is inevitable for the prosperous Pakistan .As a citizen of this country I have try to provide an alternate socio-political system to empower the masses at grass route level for rapid industrial and agriculture development with transparency and accountability in the system. Along with basic guarantees for the creation of welfare state, where in public representative and institution shall be answerable and accountable to the masses.

Kindly see web site….www.idp.org.pk

Kindly acknowledge with your comments.

Ilyas khan Baloch
Organizer Islamic Democratic Party

By: amirkhan

amirkhan — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:18:00 +0000

Scorpion,
Thanks for your inputs, and I apologize if I offended you I might be lost but I do not have any bad intentions. I only hate poverty, inequality, and Racism.
Problem is we are so divided that when we try to say some thing we get all these labels. This is just a talk I am just an ordinary Pakistani what I am saying is what I feel this my point of view and I respect others.
I believe that one should advise others the same thing which he chooses for him self.
System is obsolete it needs to change. I second that and I don’t understand why you think I am pro system.
What I was trying to say is that people should not wait for opportunities to come to their door steps but to go out and try to find there endeavors.
The best thing would be to provide educational and other opportunities to every part of the country so that people don’t have to suffer from the process of migration. This is not happening in last 60 years, that’s why we are having this conversation. I hope this happens soon but why should some body suffers in the mean time.
Karachi looks over crowded because of poor planning and obsolete infrastructure that need to be address too.
And if there are no opportunities in rural areas how you would stop people from moving to the cities by keep them in dark I guess from the facts, this is a feudal thinking, and you don’t have to be of this thinking if you really are a feudal but it can be a person who has some thing and want others to not have that.
I do not understand if you are from Karachi or from any other city for that matter why you are afraid from people moving to cities more people mean more business more customers more industrial workers and more tax it is good it may be bad for rural areas they will lose man power I am agree with that but not every body is working in the fields.
I was talking from the educational and employment purposes, if some body has a farm work why he would move to city to work in factory.
In west provinces, states and cities compete with each other to attract more people.
Establishment, Altaf or quta system are different topics, they are all embedded to one another I was addressing the same issue but from different angles.
Do not think on ethnical grounds and do not count the numbers that who is who and where all are the same this is a problem of have and have not. Just think for Pakistan and its people.
As for as English is concern it is a defato official language in Pakistan . Tell me if this is not correct. My point is establishment want people to fight on language issue but for them they kept English as defacto official language. All they want is to rule only and keep the masses illiterate. And the definition of illiteracy in Pakistan is zero proficiency in English in the eyes of Establishment. Try to pass CSS exam with out that you would know my friend. How can say don’t learn English till it is a difacto official language of pakistan
The reason I tried to write on this issue was to speak against the divide and rule policy of establishment. Who cares if chief minister speaks what language people problems are still there?.
Please try to think of solutions to our problems and keep all the suffering classes in one category.
I see the diversity of our society as our strength not weakness. I am not afraid of any ethnicity, If my children goes to school and get good education, I want the same for other children’s too. I do not want a Pakistan where my children’s ride in a car and they see poor children’s sealing newspapers or flowers on signals.
I want a Pakistan where if I go form one end to another I don’t see a divide in prosperity.
Because if I do I know one day no body would be able to save my children’s form having the same fate.
I am against the establishment and politicians but feel them part of the society and want a better future for their generations too. Because God forbid if we were not able to fix this mess who will suffer the most the one who has the most.

By: Scorpion

Scorpion — Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:32:29 +0000

@ Amirkhan

sorry to say but your thoughts are very scattered. you are advising the sindhi people to move to cities and grab the opportunities. i find much hatred in your style of writing. instead of asking the people to change the system you are advising them to move to city, if they move, will you offer them job or opportunities. Karachi is already very crowded, dont you think your wise ideas were never tried earlier?

i’m sorry to say but i do smell a rat here. talking about establishment, then Altaf, then quota system, inciting people to move to urban cities and grab opportunities, english as a first language. Man you are lost! if whole villagers move to cities then who is going to do the agriculture.

you accepted that the Karachities suffered from Quota system, majority of the bureaucracy in sindh are native sindhis, so what else you want now to implement. I think we should focus more on devising the ways for changing the system, rather then inciting people to fight against each other.

you further wrote that the education system for sindhi students is very low, who is to be blamed for? never in the history of sindh there was a non sindhi chief minister. What sindhi administration has not done for them which you want to do.

strive for the system change not the faces and please don’t spread hatred.

By: amirkhan

amirkhan — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:23:44 +0000

asfend 1, sindhies are peace loving people there is no doubt about it in my mind.
Divide and rule that what it is.
My work as an engineer took me to interior sindh, to punjab and sarhad I found only one thing every where ordinary Pakistani people are very very Mehman nawaz .Unfortunately never been to Baluchistan but I have very good balaoch friends and I know for sure they are good people too.
problem is not the people it is the Establishment which want people to be divided on language, sects and so on.
It is true that in Karachi it is hard to find sindhi speaking people.In Karachi majority are Muhajirs with very significant number of punjabies
and paktoons.
And it is shame that even the goths (villages) of sindhi and baloch people from the suburbs of Karachi are disappearing.
So you are right Karachi is kind of separated from Sindh.
Who is the culprit here , how this ethnic Davide is helping establishment to maintain their grip on Pakistan.
That what it is divide and rule.
People of sindh do not make mistakes that what they are people with big hearts. After partition big influx of muhajirs settled in Karachi because it was the capital and port city and jobs were there.
Before I write any further let me clear I love all Pakistanis and believe that they are the most beautifull.
Let me talk little bit about quota system how this double edge sou rd kept the standards for sindhi students very low and this hunt them in all their carear what needed was a competitive education system , on the other end it was used by fascist Altaf to spread his message of hate.
There is no ruler or Urban quota system in Punjab. In interior sindh people are very poor they need schools, colleges and opportunities.
I think sindhi people should come out and move to cities where there are more opportunities for educations and jobs.
I had sindhi as a subject 8th level , I can understand most of it but I am not sure if I can read and write properly it is relay a shame.
But the question is if you really want to prosper in Pakistan , you don’t need any of the regional languages even urdu for that matter.
Official language is English actually people gage how literate you are by your proficiency in English.
Even the language is just to be made a dividing issue.
All the regional languages should be taught in respective regions and all universities should have a department for all the Pakistani languages.
Also English should be taught fro grade one.

By: asfand1

asfand1 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:52:45 +0000

Mohajir: You know Mohajirs sacrificed all they had for Pakistan.
Non-Mohajir: Oh really! What have they sacrificed?
Mohajir: What have they sacrificed? hmmm, errr, you see, ehm, actually.

By: asfand1

asfand1 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:01:59 +0000

He told me that MQM wins 11 seats with clear majority and makes it 19 by threatening workers/voters of opposition parties.
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MQM is ruling Sindh although in the last elections, in spite of all the rigging, it had managed to win only 40 seats, whereas PPP had won 67 seats. I am sure if a free and fair elections are held in Pakistan (and as long as Mush is the President it would never happen) then MQM can never form its government in Sindh.

By: asfand1

asfand1 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:57:30 +0000

You still have not answered my previous question that a) even after studying Sindhi for a few years in schools, how many can speak or understand this language? b) why was it not made compulsary in other provinces and only Sindh?
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After studying engilsh for 12 years in shools and colleges how many pakistanis can speak and write in it? Sindhi is taught to give non-sindhis an opportunity to become acquainted with Sindhi culture, language and its history.

And why should Punjabis and Pashtuns learn sindhi in their provinces? Pashtuns want Pashto to be declared national and provincial language.

By: asfand1

asfand1 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 11:48:43 +0000

Amirkhan:Sindhis are also peace loving people and they also feel themselves insecure in their own province.

Mohajirs (muslim league) separated Karachi from Sindh, shifted Sindh universtiy from Karachi to Hyderabad and Karachi university was established there that was supposed to be the pure mohajir university. Punjab university Lahore is full of the students from rural PUnjab and from other cities of Punjab go and see yourself how many students from interior Sindh are enrolled in Karachi university. Their great leader Liaqat Ali Khan once called the sindhi culture donkey cart culture, this is the mentality of these peace loving people. And what about the status of Sindhi language that si the oldest written language of all Pakistani languages.Urdu bole urdu pareh urdu likhe and become a complete bhayya. These mohajirs think that karachi is their property as if they had brought it from Lucknow in dowry.

The people of Sindh did a grave mistake by welcoming these ingrated into Sindh.

By: Amir Hameed

Amir Hameed — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 03:16:22 +0000

An article worth reading from Cowasjee:
http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/cowas.htm

By: amirkhan

amirkhan — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:02:22 +0000

It is fear that is why people vote for MQM. Mr Altaf uses his all resources to make sure that Muajirs feel insecure from every body around them and portrait him self the savior.
People in Karachi are peace loving and normally get along very well. Since Muhajirs are in Minority MQM keep them believing that if MQM go out of power some thing worse will happen to them.
They are very well organized and they have their spies all around the community . There job is to keep spreading message of hate. There propaganda machine is very efficient.All this hapens systematically in community gatherings where all are hum zuban.
Urdu speaking people are very bright and peace loving people. Unfortunately Musharaf and Altaf does not reflect that, neither did the Hitler for German people.
New generation is fed up from this propaganda and you can see the change in the streets of Karachi. And this is very dangerous for MQM that is why they started systematic killing of ANP leaders. The aim is to start a hate violence between Muhajirs and Pathans.Once they succeed in that then This KALIA from London once again will advise people to sell their appliances and buy guns.
If there is justice there will be peace and no body would vote for these..
Well lets not focus to much the situation in Karachi, it is all the same in rest of the Pakistan.
Why people vote for Shakh Rashid, Pervaiz ,sujahat, you name it,
Lets see if you want to get elected and and you are one of the above what should you do here are some thoughts,
1.Divide people.
2.Deprive them from justice.
3.Keep strengthening briadri system.
4.make sure no body try to change they education system.
5. Make sure land reforms never happen.