Visitors News & Views – Week 3 – Feb 2008

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  • admin pkpolitics February 15, 2008 3:09 am
  • Siddique February 15, 2008 4:32 am

    Fatima Bhutto tells the story of her father’s assassination by the order of and cover up by prime minister Benazir Bhutto on PBS. Old wounds, fresh look

    http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/blog/2007/12/flwdfatima.html?&c=3wm

    http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/blog/2007/12/pakistan_the_ot.html#

    Another angle at the future of Pakistan

  • busybee February 15, 2008 4:17 am

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/02/080214_investigation_bb_as.shtml

    Ha ha another joke from the government on its way….. but I am already feeling bad for the constables, firefighters who will be on the hit list…. just as BB’s assassins who are caught…If we use the police method of enquiry… chori’s of gujrat will speak the truth out….

  • nota February 15, 2008 7:18 am

    This is why I hate the UN. There only purpose is to put a “humanitarian” mask on the atrocities committed by the West. But read it carefully and you see it for the sham that it is. The headline goes: UN Seeks $265 Million For Iraq Aid In 2008.

    $265 Million sounds great but realize that with Iraq’s population of 27 million, it comes down to less than $10 PER YEAR PER IRAQI (and do realize that about half of this amount will certainly go in “expenses” for running the aid programs). That certainly will fix all their ills won’t it, when at the same time more than $270 BILLION (a thousand fold) is being spent on more bullets and bombs to kill and maim them? Same is true in case of Afghanistan where UN thinks $13 million is enough for the children.

  • nota February 15, 2008 10:25 am

    Mushy must be sad for one of his zionist buddies, Tom Lantos, recently croaked… Now only if Mush can join him…

  • Optimist February 15, 2008 1:10 pm

    @ Siddique

    Why don’t you put links of May 12 murders of MQM instead of maligning a woman who sacrificed her life for democracy?

    Since her death, Fatima Bhutto has changed her stance. Whereas BB and her party had only one stance. You should have put videos of Fatima crying for BB.

    BB’s government was sacked withing two weeks of Murtaza’s murder. Why didn’t Farooq Leghari do anything??

    Fatima Bhutto says that murders do not happen without approval from highest levels. It is a proof that BB was killed at Muharraf and Altaf’s orders. They are the highest Goondas in Pak.

    It is Bhatta Khore Altaf who is killing everyone. MQM claimed that it were MQM’s workers who died, yet they wanted NO ACTION so that they could repeat killings again. MQM lawyer was so happy that he said: ‘Haq aur Insaaf ki Fateh Hoi’. He also said that no their will be no punishments.

    Shame on MQM murderers and their supporters.

  • Siddique February 15, 2008 1:56 pm

    @Optimist,

    If you think there are videos worth adding to the political picture of Pakistan, you should post them. I found the first video interesting while browsing http://www.pbs.org, which lead me to the others.

    I would also like to share that Fatima Bhutto’s father was not an angel either. Murtaza Bhutto formed a terror squad after the judicial murder of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto by the cruel dictator general Zia. This terror organization was implicated in the killing of Zahoor Elahi, the father of PML-Q’s Mitti Pao Chaudhry Shujaat and a high jacking of a PIA flight to Syria, resulting in the release of PPP’s political prisoners.

    Also, at the time ( September 20, 1996) of the murder of Fatima Bhutto’s father, there were common feelings in Pakistan that the ugly show had run by Asif Zardari and Benazir was there to cover it up. Now, same Asif Zardari may be the next prime minister or at least a king maker in Pakistani politics.

    This epic of butchery and loot of Pakistan shows a clear picture that most political leaders, but not all, are bunch of thugs including the leaders of your party, the generals and recently many mullas.

    By the way, second to last video rebuts your statement about Fatima Bhutto crying for BB. This interview was conducted in India way after Benazir’s death. Fatima said that she never regreted saying critical of Benazir. She would have more material to write about Benazir, had Benazir lived.

  • Asif February 15, 2008 2:03 pm

    Imran Khan’s Interview with Shaista Wahidi

    http://blip.tv/file/667978

  • Asif February 15, 2008 2:07 pm

    An election update issued by an NGO suggests that political parties that have announced the boycott of polls are actively campaigning in this regard and are asking potential voters not to vote on February 18.

    The update by Free and Fair Election Network (Fafen) says that its observers from 71 out of 157 constituencies of 48 districts have reported that these parties were holding public rallies and in a few constituencies were also intimidating voters to boycott the polls……….

    ………….Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaf (PTI) was campaigning for boycott in 18 constituencies of 13 districts (seven in NWFP, five in Punjab and one in Sindh)…….

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=96352

  • Asif February 15, 2008 2:12 pm

    At least five men won’t vote in upcoming polls

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=96448

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 15, 2008 2:21 pm

    @Siddique: related to your post above, there is recent convtroversy stirred up by one Nig-hat Sa’id Khaan
    as reported by Pak Tea house and a counter response by Temporal (of BaiThak) on Teeth Maestro.

    Needless to say I am with Temporal and my own opinion is that attacks on Fatima Bhutto are part of a multifacetd PR campaign to paint the current “owners” of PPP in a positive light, all the while attempting to discredit one of the most authentic and intellectual political figures whose credibility may prove dangerous for the tenuous grip Zardaris have on the PPP brand.

    I’m not saying FB won’t turn into another BB and sell out, but for now I’d like to believe she won’t compromise on principles.

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 15, 2008 3:05 pm

    Man these IDIOTIC interviewers really drive me up the wall. People like her SHOULD BE BANNED from interviewing Imran Khan.. I hate the way she says umhum.. uhmhimm.. theek hai.. umhmm.. theek hai.. hmmm hmmm EVERY 2 SECONDS!

    JUST ANNOYING AS HELL

    Shaista Waheed is a friggin NIT-WIT!

  • nota February 15, 2008 3:23 pm
  • Asif February 15, 2008 7:40 pm

    Video: Imran Khan at “The Century Foundation USA”
    Discussion on topic “Elections vs. Democracy: Post-Bhutto Pakistan and the International Community “

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFDRPGPLtOk

    Full video in QuickTime
    http://www.tcf.org/list.asp?type=EV&pubid=211

    @Asif
    Please post any link with contexts. It is helpful for the visitors. Be conservative regarding excessive number of posts. People will lose interest if you over do it.
    -Admin

  • dexbex February 15, 2008 8:17 pm

    “Mulla aur salar jab bhi aye saath hi aye” geo Aitzaaz. we need atleast dozen of thinkers like you to run this country in a civilized way.

  • Omar February 15, 2008 9:11 pm

    Sorry to post this link, but this is exactly what i feel, only put into words by this baba ji.
    viewer discretion is advised

  • commoner February 16, 2008 11:05 am
  • khizarkyz February 16, 2008 8:04 pm

    God forbid, if 2morrow there is a vote in UN scurity council for attack against pakistan & china abstains. what wd u then think of china?
    Whatever is ur answer apply the anology to 18feb elections. Yes, do come out. The illiterate masses wd definitely be there but we the so-calld educated will not be there. Why just look at the current poll in this regard. there are 12 out of 34 not going to vote. For an eucated one it’s criminal to abstain. “Al Khamoshi neem raza”.
    My message is:
    “Uth ke ab bazm-e-jehan ka aur hi andaz hai……”

  • Optimist February 16, 2008 11:32 pm

    @ admin

    could you interview Wasi Zafar who is saying that Q league is involved in rigging. Dr Sher Afgan is saying that too

    http://jang.com.pk/jang/feb2008-daily/17-02-2008/main3.htm

  • Optimist February 17, 2008 12:25 am

    Today is the last day of Bhatta Khore and Cycle Chore but who will take revenge from the likes of Shaukat Aziz who always come just to plunder our country.

    We should do something about these Udan Tashtaris

    http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/jan-2008/11/columns1.php

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 17, 2008 1:58 am

    Text of Hamid Mir’s letter after the press conference:

    http://pakistanmartiallaw.blogspot.com/2008/02/media-concern-letter-of-hamid-mir.html

  • Optimist February 17, 2008 2:53 am

    I just pray that something good comes out of these elections. I have many fears and some of them are very valid. I just hope that I am wrong this time. I have no intention of painting a bad picture just to come back later to take credit of my predictions.

  • kinnare February 17, 2008 2:59 am

    What a great poem by A. Ahsan jeay Bhutto Sada Jeay. We will fight Mulla, Army, Mqm for thousand year if we have to. Pakistan belong to Pakistanies. not to Muslim, Shia, Sunni, or any one else.

  • Asif February 17, 2008 5:52 am

    Breaking News:

    No political coverage by any TV channel: PEMRA

  • Asif February 17, 2008 7:07 am

    Whatever would be the outcome of s’elections, The survival of Mush is next to impossible.

    David Frost talking to IK about the after-effects of s’election.

  • Optimist February 17, 2008 12:57 pm

    @ asif

    I watched that interview. It is a good one. I was surprised to see ‘a white lesbian woman’s comments! She is in the US, have only filthy videos on ‘her’ profile to fool people. Her comments are full of hatred towards IK, NS, PPP and are pro Mush, and MQM.

  • commoner February 17, 2008 1:07 pm

    Election Focus: Sleepless in the citadels of power
    http://www.dawn.com/2008/02/17/top17.htm

  • commoner February 17, 2008 1:32 pm

    …….the United States and its allies to understand that they are not facing the religion of Islam as their main enemy, but an ideology, namely the Salafi-jihad.

    It is equally a fact, he maintains, that leaders of Salafi-jihadist organisations hypocritically preach about the benefits of martyrdom, but rarely, if ever, conduct suicide operations themselves, or send their loved ones on such missions. It is a fact that Al Qaeda and associated groups offer no vision for Muslims other than perennial jihad, hardly an appealing prospect.

    Link

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008/02/17/story_17-2-2008_pg3_3

  • khizarkyz February 17, 2008 2:07 pm
  • admin pkpolitics February 17, 2008 3:46 pm

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  • Tab’an Khamosh February 17, 2008 4:08 pm

  • nota February 17, 2008 4:55 pm

    So who is gaining a new father? Thank you sir but everyone would prefer being a b*stard instead…

  • Asif February 17, 2008 6:03 pm

    Pakistan tense on eve of key vote

    Frustration with Mr Musharraf’s rule has grown
    Security is high in Pakistan as voters gear up for crucial parliamentary elections overshadowed by violence and fears of rigging.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7249455.stm

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 17, 2008 6:14 pm

    @admin: I sent you this email alert. Mushie’s on the fritz again!

    Chief Justice “Scum of the Earth” Declares Musharraf

    In an exclusive and irony filled interview with Jemima Khan, Musharraf got visibly upset at the mention of the Chief Justice and called him, “the scum of the earth – a third-rate man – a corrupt man”.

    Regarding the lawyers movement, “President” (i) Musharraf said:

    “With hindsight,” he replies solemnly, “it was my personal error that I allowed them to go and express their views in the street… We should have controlled them in the beginning before it got out of control.”

    Full account of the interview

  • nota February 17, 2008 6:50 pm

    “the scum of the earth – a third-rate man – a corrupt man”.
    Well doesn’t that describe Musharraf to the tee???????

  • nota February 17, 2008 6:54 pm

    @admin
    How about a poll along the same lines:
    Q: Who is “the scum of the earth – a third-rate man – a corrupt man”.
    i) Musharaf (or maybe Musharraf/Qayyum/Dogar etc.)
    II) CJ Iftikhar

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 17, 2008 6:59 pm

    @nota: That interview wasn’t anything if it wasn’t ironic 🙂

  • Munir February 17, 2008 9:48 pm

    Admin,
    You have full rights over this website but it seems like you are not impartial at all as You are deleting my posts without any reason.
    Can you send me email?\
    Thanks,
    Munir

  • Munir February 17, 2008 9:49 pm

    Admin,
    I felt like you want only pro-NS on this site.

  • chqasim February 17, 2008 9:52 pm

    peoples of pakistan prey fajar namaz and than go to polling station and use the right of your vote its time to do something for your country please give vote to ppp .

  • chqasim February 17, 2008 9:55 pm

    Hi all the viewers i just spoke to someone in NA 55/56 all the kashmiries of rawalpindi going to give vote to PPP. because PPP ajk president had meetings with different kashmiries group and the hope PPP Amir fida peracha will win.

  • commoner February 17, 2008 9:57 pm

    Alwida BB, may you rest in peace:

    http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=8234

  • Munir February 17, 2008 11:10 pm

    Admin,
    Please disregard my posts earlier as it was just mis-understanding.
    Thanks,
    Munir

  • admin pkpolitics February 17, 2008 11:30 pm

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  • Tab’an Khamosh February 18, 2008 12:03 am

    @optimist: good eye man! That guy is an MQM Pervert… he’s got all kinds of lezbian clips in his profile.. but the idiot can’t write for shit, and then MQM Munafiq’s like go around claiming they’re the most educated class in Pakistan.. he sounds like an illiterate cabbie from bihar to me. Some of these ppl are like robots.. they take their talking points from the “telephonic” addresses and just repeat like brainless idiots all over the places.. for example “Even if Mohamad was running the elction in Pakistan, still loser will say it is rigged…” How many MQM munaafiqs have you heard say the same thing in just the last week? ??

    GAWD what crimes did we commit to deserve this sh!t !!!

  • Optimist February 18, 2008 1:21 am

    @ Tab’an Khamosh

    good comments. you’ve said what I wanted to say.

  • Optimist February 18, 2008 1:36 am

    A big thank you to the USA and EU for helping Muslims in Kosovo. They may have their own benefit but still they acted to save Muslims. Not all of their actions are wrong.

    I was surprised to see Bush’s popularity in Albania when he visited that last year. I think he is more popular there than in the USA. Maybe he should retire there!!

    I personally find the USA/EU better than Russia. Despite all their crimes, siding with them (for our own benefit) can make us Japan/Germany/Singapore. Whereas siding with Russia can make us Iraq/Sudan etc. We should side with the West for our own benefit. Western democratic system and open market.

    This doesn’t mean we should become US agents the way Mush has made us. When I say side with the west, I mean in the words of founder of Singapore – Lee Kuan Yew – who writes in his book that he seriously gave a thought whether Singapore should side with the communist Russia or free democratic west. He said that he is happy that he chose the Western model (Reference: From third world to first – The Singapore Story 1965 – 2000).

  • Riddle 792 February 18, 2008 1:54 am

    Breaking News:

    According to Hamid Mir in today’s Jang:
    NS and Zardari have agreed on Musharaf’s resignation
    the next week parliement will not last more than 6 months
    Fedeal Govt: PPP and PMLN will be allowed to make govt
    Punjab: PMLQ will be given the chance for GOVT.

    for more check today’s Jang

  • Riddle 792 February 18, 2008 2:08 am

    Shame on Geo as they have forgot their big names who have made them big with their hardwork …..some may disagree but ….. they are Hamid Mir, Dr. Shahid…. who are not in this picture:

    http://www.jang.net/jm/2-18-2008/page5.asp

  • Optimist February 18, 2008 2:32 am

    @ qadir

    I never doubted that MQM can win elections. I am not against ordinary voters of MQM. They are like any other Pakistani. Some of them are nice, some intelligent, some silly, some innocent. Almost all of them believe in conspiracy theories.

    I only condemn Munafiq who come here and say ‘I support …. but. Why are they so ashamed of MQM? If they are, then they should support someone they are not ashamed of.

  • Optimist February 18, 2008 2:37 am

    MQM wins 12 seats (out of 19) with clear majority. Rest of the seats are won with a thin majority. They could lose those seats if other parties believe in Goonda tactics of MQM. In other words, if other parties are willing to give arms in the hands of their supporters. MQM have done wonders by making every third Mohajir a fugitive of Law with TT or a prisoner!

    This is what an Urdu Speaking MQM senior police officer told me (he is on a scholarship in LSE). He said if MQM’s goonda tactics are controlled and other parties are given an equal oppertunites, it is very likely that MQM will never win more than 12 seats.

    And with free campaign, people’s eyes start opening and they can see what we can already observe from a distance.

  • Riddle 792 February 18, 2008 2:58 am

    @ Optimist

    I think every 1 has a right to say what he or she thinks and so do u and me. But i dont think that it gives us right to call some 1 munafiq as this is a pretty big word and we already have so much going around us. Its better to express our opinions and not blame each other as we all like freedom of expression which is getting scared in our Pakistani society. If we start acting like this than what difference is between us or musharaf who has done the same to media and judiciary.

  • nam February 18, 2008 4:28 am

    Well, let’s wait for the election result. I don’t see any change. Pakistan should be free from Lords and feudal system. I don’t understand why only Choudhary and Wadaira gets a ticket from PML-Q & PML-N, why don’t they give ticket to middle class educated person. I heard that the man died in firing from PML-N (May Allah rest him in Peace) his father in LAW got a ticket from PPP. It’s only a family election, nothing else.

  • Optimist February 18, 2008 5:12 pm

    @ nam

    Chosing the right person is better. Being middle class doesn’t mean sincere. Look at MQM. They have created a class of Goondas and Bhatta Khores in the name of middle class.

    Then why talk about middle class only? why not a laborer and real poor?

    Person chosen should be right. A rich person in favour of the poor should be welcomed too. A middle class good person should be given a chance as well. A poor person who never had any money to get education should not be made a professor. Even Prophets belonged to rich/business/feudal families. They did for the poor that no other could do. If there were any Prophet from an ordinary family (Hazrat Musa), he had training in royal palaces of Firoon.

  • Optimist February 18, 2008 6:01 pm

    Q league seems to have lost on National level. Mushahid Hussain says that they will form government in Punjab. It is an admission that they have lost national government.

    Another good thing is that Q league candidates are opportunists. they will jump the sinking ship very soon.

    Mush is finished. That is a good news. Even if there is no change, change of face alone is good for the country. Look at suicidal policies of George Bush but the Americans still have hope because he will be gone soon.

  • Optimist February 18, 2008 7:13 pm

    Q League = Qabarastan League

  • Optimist February 18, 2008 7:45 pm

    Mubarakaan

    Mush will himself decide himself if he is popular or not. maybe we need a martial law after rigging by PPP & PML N.

  • Optimist February 19, 2008 2:57 pm

    Winners: PPP, PML N, ANP

    Losers: Fazlu, Q league, MQM (from Mutahida to Mohajir!).

  • Optimist February 19, 2008 7:34 pm

    Pakistan election: rise of the middle classes

    The election has been a quiet triumph for upwardly mobile urban Pakistanis

    Jason Burke
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/19/pakistan.benazirbhutto1

  • doctornouman February 19, 2008 7:41 pm

    IS THAT CONFIRM THAT SHEIKH RASHEED HAS LEFT THE COUNTRY AND IF YES, WHERE HAS HE OPTED TO GO ?

    THANKS

  • Asif February 19, 2008 9:40 pm

    Imran Khan’s point of view on major issues.

    http://www.politube.org/show/432

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 20, 2008 12:26 am

    Aitezaz Ahsan Views on post election scenario:

    http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=9191

    (why are MQM color’s sitting on his bookshelf — conspiracy anyone?)

    I’m kidding.. just kidding .. gaaah! 🙂

  • commoner February 20, 2008 9:13 am

    FEW leaders have taken on the US and lived to tell the tale.
    http://www.dawn.com/2008/02/20/ed.htm#2

  • The Hope February 20, 2008 9:14 pm

    One lawyer has filed a case against Asif Ali Zardari regarding his Swiss money laundering.

  • The Hope February 20, 2008 9:16 pm

    That was a rumor that Sheikh Rasheed has left for Spain, he is still in Pakistan and appeared soon on the geo tv talking to news anchor that he is still in the country..lolzz

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 20, 2008 9:23 pm

    @commoner: Cuba and Iran show that it is possible. Problem with Pakistan (aside from terrified & frightened yerkails) is that when the gauntlet is down, every other one of us is ready to sell out for a few sheckles.

    Cuba and Iran show that if you calm your nerves a bit and not sell out, you can gain some modicum of independence. I am not claiming that everything they have done is right, but I am of the opinion that it is not as hopeless as we think or as our sell-out ‘establishment’ imagines it to be.

    But to do that you have to be faithful and loyal to an identity, but since we all believe in different identities, we think we are not selling out but ‘sacrificing’ for our goal. (eg; Jamaat Islami vis-a-viz that Poseur Extraordinaire Yerkail Zulmat-ul-baatil)

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 20, 2008 10:53 pm

    Motabar Zaraa’eh : Q people are contacting NS to get in

    http://daily.urdupoint.com/todayNewsLive.php?news_id=57872&featured=1&cat_id=2

  • Optimist February 21, 2008 1:29 am

    We should believe in the wisdom of ordinary people. Democracy is the best system.

    We cannot afford any dictators, be they western supporters or Khalifa brand.

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 21, 2008 3:19 am

    Zardari Press Conference After CEC meeting today:

    http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=9280


    See more videos on vidPK.com

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 21, 2008 3:21 am

    Zardari willing to accept Nawaz Sharif as PM if they want to take that responsibility. (see above clip)

    JTFC! Why isn’t this all over PKPOLITICS ???

  • nota February 21, 2008 3:45 am

    @admin
    I am a bit disappointed none of the Zardari-related videos have made it to pkpolitics. Certainly the ones listed above were most appropriate and important to be ignored like that…

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 21, 2008 4:11 am

    yeah @admin, what’s with the slight bias I’m also detecting here..?

  • admin pkpolitics February 21, 2008 1:54 pm

    Following thread moved from Aezaz Hasan’s Interview by Admin
    1. hassanshahid on February 21st, 2008 12:07 pm
    Todal [Aetaza Hasan] is a champion for peace but how can people of Hyderabad can forget his brutal orders of Pucca Qila operation during the first tenure of BB as prime minister when he was Interior Minister. On his order, Eagle Squad (then a special unit of police) killed hundreds of innocent people and raped dozens of young urdu speaking girls in just few hours during a curfew. He is a killer of hundreds of innocent people of Pucca Qila.

    2. kurkosmici on February 21st, 2008 12:12 pm
    @ pakistani 2008
    Dont compare PMLq with educated people like IK and AA. Musharaf is not working alone, he takes advices from stupid PML q and work on it, and you saw the result.
    If IK and AA were part of PML q, Mushraf would have taken advices from them and act on them and Pakistan would be in a strong position.
    Vice versa.
    3. peace on February 21st, 2008 12:12 pm
    @hassanshahid
    u r typical mqm munafiq just doing baseless propaganda against any patriotic leader. ur dad taafa guunda, he is one who is responsible for all that killing and raping. and u consider him ur messiah, what a pity

    4. hassanshahid on February 21st, 2008 12:21 pm
    @peace
    this is not a baseless propaganda. These are real facts. MQM was not in power at that time rather they were part of Combine Opposition Parties alongwith Nawaz Sharif and every component of COP had put the blame of this massacre on BB and AA. Yes i am a supporter of MQM and will always remain their supporter and i am proud of it. But you guys should have the courage to listen the truth of others as well. And if you doesnt believe me then u can check out then newspapers to confirm the facts.
    5. peace on February 21st, 2008 12:30 pm
    @hassan shahid
    actually the mqm terrorists at that time uses those women and children coming out from pucca qilla as sheild, these terrorist were hiding behind them and when they see police they start shooting at the police .and then all that happen
    6. rf_ckt on February 21st, 2008 12:44 pm
    @peace
    The tactics you accused MQM of doing are the same that bloody ‘palastinians’ and ‘kashmiri’ terrorists are blamed for!
    Israel always said the same thing and besed all invasions against Palastinian on the argument of civilan shield and even justified the invasion & davastation of Lebanon.
    Actually Punjabi Chauvinists are no different then Jewish Zionists!

    7. hassanshahid on February 21st, 2008 1:07 pm
    @peace
    what should i say about your innocent remarks. I am talking about rapes of dozen women. If i would agree with u and “terrorist” of MQM were hiding behing those women then will people first rape those women and then kill those terrorist????

    8. peace on February 21st, 2008 1:14 pm
    @hassanshahid
    so u actually want to say when munafiqs were firing at the police they were raping the women…. what a logic….i dont think if somebody is firing at u can continue some type of sexual activity………

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 21, 2008 2:09 pm

    My videos don’t show embedded. Others’ do above. Is there a trick to posting them?

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  • commoner February 21, 2008 11:07 pm

    @ Tab’an Khamosh on February 20th, 2008 9:23 pm

    Though I favour evolutionary parlimentary democracy in Pakistan.

    But sometimes I am amazed by the strength and resilience shown by nations, which have undergone a revolution, viz a viz apparently overwhelming adversaries. To Cuba and Iran I would like to add China and France and of course ex USSR . None were bullied by US.

    In Pakistan’s context I see no scope of an all-embracing social revolution, thanks to the overriding interests of our elite in status quo and the undermining national identity crises.

  • Optimist February 22, 2008 3:13 am

    Lawyers movement mobilised the masses and paved the way for these results.
    Jemima Khan was right when she said that even apparently failed protests have long lasting impact. She wrote:

    ‘It is 40 years since 1968, “The Year That Rocked The World”, when mass protests erupted across the globe, in France, America, Mexico, Germany, Italy, Spain, Brazil, Belgium, Poland, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia. While none of those demonstrations achieved their immediate stated aim, cumulatively they changed the world more profoundly than those involved could ever have imagined.’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/01/27/do2709.xml

  • Aneeza February 22, 2008 9:12 am

    A very VERY nice article by Ayaz Amir in the News (I was missing his subtle humor and underlying wisdom). A good analysis of the surrent political scenario and possible choices given by him. A must read.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=97566

  • Adonis February 22, 2008 9:46 am

    Yes, a very nice article indeed. Good thing that “The News” has given him a platform after DAWN chickened out.

  • commoner February 22, 2008 12:59 pm

    The IB chief’s brother too lost from Punjab …

    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/ColumnistHomeNew.asp?section=nasimzehra&col=yes

    But Brig(R) Ejaz Shah has been granted re-extention of job for an unspecified period of time,as repoted by newspaper express two days back. To do what, fix Zardari?

    And for Army’s role in 2008 elections: http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=13119

    Establishment main darrarain??

  • commoner February 22, 2008 1:15 pm

    or transitory tactical retreat??

  • khizarkyz February 22, 2008 1:52 pm

    PML-N gets NA20 after recount: Gen Tirmizi’s seat

  • dr_abrar February 22, 2008 1:57 pm

    Hey Khizarkyz thats a good news.How did u come to know about this result. Thanks for sharing

  • khizarkyz February 22, 2008 1:59 pm

    @dr_abrar
    geo’s breaking news

  • dr_abrar February 22, 2008 2:00 pm

    Khizarkyz do u have have any info regarding any Indipendents or defectors from q league.I know pmlf is supporting pmln but any other news?

  • dr_abrar February 22, 2008 2:01 pm

    thats really great,Gen Tirmizi is really important person in assembly

  • dr_abrar February 22, 2008 2:02 pm

    ary is reporting that now as well, Cool

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 22, 2008 2:03 pm

    @commoner: I conjectured about this stance a while back. I think Mush is on the outs with the Americans too and he is just in denial. He is just a liability right now.

  • khizarkyz February 22, 2008 2:03 pm

    2morrow’s pml-q meeting will be crucial: many of them may fail to attend.

    BTW That idiot Amir Muqam does have a chance- he’s losing by some 22à votes and repolling will take place on polling station of 920 voters.

  • khizarkyz February 22, 2008 2:04 pm

    mant 228 not 22à

  • khizarkyz February 22, 2008 2:15 pm

    chatta wattoo along with 15 independents (PA&NA) meet zardari. PA hmmmmmm!!!! another PML-J in the making.

  • khizarkyz February 22, 2008 2:16 pm

    & sajida mir of ppp in a t program demanding punjab’s govt

  • khizarkyz February 22, 2008 2:17 pm

    chatta wattoo along with 15 independents (PA&NA) meet zardari. PA hmmmmmm!!!! another PML-J in the making.

    & sajida mir of ppp in a tv program demanding punjab’s govt

  • commoner February 22, 2008 2:27 pm

    Party seats Popular Votes

    Pakistan Peoples Party Parliamentarians 87 10,157,233
    Pakistan Muslim League (N) 68 6,395,348
    Pakistan Muslim League 39 7,461,147
    Independent 27 2,835,366
    Muttahida Qaumi Movement Pakistan 19 2,350,377
    Awami National Party 10 618,542
    Mutthida Majlis-e-Amal Pakistan 6 471,480
    Pakistan Muslim League (F) 4 707,760
    National Peoples Party 2 91,957
    Pakistan Peoples Party (Sherpao) 1 90,767
    Balochistan National Party (Awami) 1 12,882

  • commoner February 22, 2008 3:01 pm

    @khizarkyz on February 22nd, 2008 2:17 pm

    My big NO to LOTAISM .

    But lets not be partial in condemnation. Please Do equally highlight the fact that Main sahib was the first one to say that the doors of the mother party were open for converts from QL and party enticement to 18 Q leaguers and 6-7 independents into PMLN .

    PPP should not encourage and accept any LOTAS and neither should PMLN. Accepting independents is quiet another matter.

  • khizarkyz February 22, 2008 3:08 pm

    I was refering to the matter that efforts are underway to keep PML-N out. just go the history of wattoo & chatta

  • Tab’an Khamosh February 22, 2008 3:12 pm

    @commoner: is the candidates fielded vs won ration available somewhere?

    BTW, this is a “First past the post” system, so Q league saying this is a bit dis-ingenuous. Looks like they got a kick in the pants from their US masters so they are showing some life again.

  • dr_abrar February 22, 2008 3:17 pm

    HI Guys. There is a news on geo that federal government has banned youtube in Pakistan.Is that true?

  • commoner February 22, 2008 3:22 pm

    PMLN’s decision to nominate Main Nawaz Sharif as parlimentary leader in the centre and Mian Shahbaz Sharif in punjab and PPP’s decision to let Zardari nominate the PM are EXCELLENT.
    They show new found confidence and unflinching defiance viz a viz establishment.

    lekin under say dil darta hey,lol.

    Analyse karta hoon, soochta hoon , chor deta hoon
    Kaheen aesa na ho jaee kaheen wesa na ho jaee

  • khizarkyz February 22, 2008 3:31 pm

    geo showing first hand rigging at a karachi polling station at gunpoint. interesting.

  • econfused February 26, 2008 3:09 am

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