lol fasih lol yahya lol

plz upload audio.
cant watch video due to dialup connection.

lolwut?

@Bilal,

Get from here after 5 minutes:

http://pkpolitics.com/audio/index.php?dir=elections2008

Size should be 7.6MB when upload from my side is completed.

Admin

Abdul Malik guy is disappointing as usual. “President ki line bahut hard hai, to one formula ham uskay writer kaa name nahin dengay”

WTFF???? Why can’t any JACKA$$ anchor speak proper Urdu without injecting english every 3rd word? Annoying as Hell… Just speak punjabi and be done with it! gaawd!!

Anyhoo.. I think MaKhdoom Javed Hashemi might be one of the candidates put forward for President’s post when (not if) Mush Kutta leaves. they said south punjab… could the other one be NS himself?

@Taban,

I believe that the President should be a symbolic position and he should not be from any political party.

As the Supreme Court allowed the Presidential Elections to take place earlier, we should honor the SC decision about that elections and consider the runner up candidate Justice Wajiuddin as the President. Constitutionally Musharraf was not eligible to be a President therefore the one getting most votes after Mush should be given honor to become President and he should be an acceptable persons for everyone and symbol of Free Judciary in Pakistan.

Yes TK, this guy Mohammed Malik is hopless and pathetic.

Coming back to president choice, what about Amin Faheem as a PM and Aitzaz Ahsan for president?

@taban

I decided to give “lol guy Fasih” a run for his money Start every thread with lol before he comes in

@sic5770: I like AA as president, but he is too rebellious for anyone’s palate.. he will kick ass if he was made president. It would be awesome, but the “conspiracy of the mediocre” will keep the real cream from rising to the top. Sad story of humanity I’m afraid.

@Taban,

Aitzaz, a person full of energy will be bored to death in an honorable position of President. What did our ex-Presidents used to do while remaining in their constitutional boundaries? Only distribute degrees in universities and attend government parades? What do Indian Presidents do?

I would love to see in Aitzaz in Prime Minister position who can actively take place in all government affairs and lead this nation.

audio plz !
This is like not giving drugs to som1 badly addicted to em.

got the audio.ignore the previous comment.Thnx a lot.
Ya made my day.

man this host is such a stupid person. they cant find better host then him .he should be glad i am not MNA ..app logo ka honimoon kab taak rehy ga ?….. dumbass

this anchor is very annoying…he sounds like he is shouting during the programme.

i normally switch off when he comes up..previously he was PTV

Reaching out to the masses by speaking Urdu. How do we do that?

I will urge the Admin to start a debate on this issue when he feels the time is appropriate.

I have written these comments before and they are STILL relevant. Tab’an has infact already touched the issue in this thread. We need to create a lot more awareness about this very important issue! This is what I wrote in the thread about Asma Sherazi’s interview.

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I have one important request to you. The request is in fact to all Pakistanis, but the effect will be much higher if you [Asma Sherazi] start doing it. Please avoid speaking English in Urdu programs. By doing that many people don’t understand the whole meaning of a debate or a sentence and that’s a pity, because we should have maximum effect of your interviews especially because you are fighting a just cause. Another factor is that Urdu as a language is being degraded slowly and effectively. It is common fault committed in Pakistan that one “have” to speak English to show that one is a well educated person. I don’t think this is the case with you (not at this stage), but maybe it has been that in the past and now it has become a habit. Maybe you need to focus a little bit on this issue to enhance Urdu and thereby reach out to an even bigger audience. Please don’t see it as any suggestion not to learn and speak English. The request is only that we should focus on the audience we are trying to reach out to and to avoid “hurting” Urdu.

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/Saqib

this prog is old. I broke this news ages back! How come you have it as 24th? are u in states or wa?

“CJ Musharraf on February 23rd, 2008 10:40 pm

Breaking News!

A consesnes is being developed to reach a formula to reinstate desposed CJ and other judges.

1. To transfer present PCO judges to Sharia courts and reinstate desposed judges.

2. To lodge reconsideration of illegal PCO in front of presnt PCO judges for review of their oath and then bring back all judges to their orignal pre november 2 position.”

@Saqib: I think Urdu is it’s own worst enemy in more ways than one. First, Urdu is a “framework” language from the start. Urdu is great for fitting other languages’ vocabulary in it.. this is how it became so popular because the grammatical structure is so malleable that you can fit any word and it feels natural be it Turkish, Persian, Arabic, Sanskrit etc. Urdu takes whatever is spoken in “the lashkar” as it were, and lets people communicate. Perfect for Pakistan I’d say, but not in it’s current form.

Now, since the inception of Pakistan, there has been this most unfortunate trend of “purification” in which an artifical purity was created in urdu in which local vocabularies were discouraged from entering mainstream use while english and arabic had tacit support as nothing could be done against them (like accusing the users of Islam dushmani etc.).

Add to that the resentment felt by non-urdu majority and a conscious or sub-consicous attempt by them at shunning urdu as a reaction to what Urdu came to represent (the economic interests of a ‘certain class’ ??)

The reason our anchors can’t go two sentences without reaching for english (bad one at that) is that they have no vocabulary in Urdu. There is no vocabulary in Urdu because there is hardly any literature being written in Urdu. Newspapers don’t count because they use a very limited and cliched form meant for the lowest common denominator. There is hardly any literature because the critics would not allow any “impure vocabulary” (read native pakistani words) in and therefore ended up turning Urdu into some clinically pure freak of linguistics which only a dwindling minorty of so called intellectuals speak. So, Urdu literature has become a casualty of the culture and language wars.

The rest of us have gone back to using what is best in Urdu, the framework which uses whatever words you throw at it. Instead of using Persian, Punjabi, Pushto, Sindhi words, we are now using English in the “upper” classes, Arabic words in the “religious & nutcase” classes and native words and accents in the “working” classes.

I am of course with the working classes, and my problem isn’t that Urdu isn’t “pure” any more , rather that it isn’t “properly evolved” anymore. I think the artificiality imposed on Urdu and its main users (Pakistanis) has come back to bite Urdu in the a$$ with a vengeance…

My advice would be counter-intuitive. If you want Urdu (especially prose) to survive with it’s Muslim and eastern shades, then let the local languages in. Otherwise it will end up being a bad imitation of pidgin english with some remnant grammatical constructs thrown in. Kind of what Mr. Malik’s “Urdu” already sounds like.

@Tab’an

You are right. I agree that Urdu is a mix of several languages and being a relatively modern language it has a natural habit of taking words from other languages. It is very easy to “borrow” words from other languages as long as they belong to the same lingual group. In fact Turkish language is not in our lingual group, but anyhow we have several words from that language, because of historical close links. We are not the only ones who borrow words. Europeans also do it as per fashion. Once it was Latin, then French and now English, but still these conscious Europeans are very concerned about preserving their own languages. For example Denmark, this is a country with a population of only 5 million people. They really care about their own language. Even the higher education system is mainly based on the Danish language. On contrary we see that Pakistanis take pride in English schools even if it means that they are learning less English. I have witnessed a lot of pupils who can say many quite difficult words in English, but if you ask them to make a sentence in English they won’t be able to do that They can’t even translate the word into Urdu. That is exactly what you mentioned. In countries where there is consciousness about the local language they make sure that the basic language is learned. By doing this the pupils can learn foreign languages far easier.

Personally, I don’t mind if people speak English, English-Urdu or whatever they want to mix, but when anchor persons, politicians and other official personalities start doing that - which is the case in Pakistan - then I have a big problem. First of all I think it mostly sounds weird, because many of them have a heavy sub continental accent, which can be funny. Then (as I have mentioned earlier) there is a very BIG risk that most people don’t get the point in case of a TV program.

/Saqib

Jorr Torr, A new name of horse-trading, isn’t it?

President should be Fasi-ud-din Ahmad

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20082\25\story_25-2-2008_pg1_2

@ Taba’n Khamosh

your analysis on Urdu is spot on.

One question that always bothered me: Urdu is a hotch-potch of many languages. Speakers of Urdu SHOULD have been able to speak many languages because it is very easy if you already know many words from different languages.

Practically, Urdu speaking people USUALLY don’t speak any other language. Is it their arrogance (like English people)? Even if they try, they cannot speak a sentence of other languages. For example, I know people from Karachi who have been sharing a flat with Punjabis for 7-10 years. Whenever they try to speak a sentence of Punjabi for fun, they completely fail. I don’t understand that.