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Asif Zardari interview with Jang and the news.
http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=9998
I would like to add a link to the interview of Dr. Shahid Masood. This interview was taken by a Pakistani radio channel in Chicago. I find this interview very thought provoking. Specially as he described about his first program “views on News” as there is continuously flow of news from west to east and side by side they are also expressing their point of view what they want east to do for west so in this context there is a need of a program to express what people of Pakistan and specially muslims think about west. This interview was taken when GEO was closed down from Dubai. Admin please check that this link is working or if not I have the file downloaded with me you can contact me for the interview file.
http://teeth.com.pk/blog/wp-content/audio/Shahid_Masood_Interview.mp3
The next poll should be:
The decision of NS not to be an active partner in the current govt is good for democracy?
1) Yes
2) No
3) Don’t know
Blundering Idiots:
Kashmir Singh’s spy confessions create ripples
“…The confession turned what was meant to be a humanitarian gesture to reduce tensions and further bolster the India-Pakistan peace process into an international embarrassment for Islamabad that could endanger hundreds of prisoners on both sides held in similar circumstances….”
Oath under PCO in 2000 was different: deposed CJ
“…Justice Iftikhar said that what made the present lot of the PCO judges different from the previous ones was the fact that this time the judges took oath under the PCO despite a Nov 3 Supreme Court seven-member bench’s decision, which had not only suspended the PCO but had also restrained the judges of the Supreme Court and all the high courts from taking fresh oath under the PCO….”
PM nomination: PPP may seek secret ballot to prevent rift
“…Zardari, they claimed, read Fahim’s interview with a sense of ”disbelief”’…”
“…To a question whether Zardari might agree to this kind of proposal that actually undermined his own powers which he was now enjoying, the party sources said keeping the new approach of Zardari in view, it was difficult to predict how he would react to this proposal.
Meanwhile, Amin Fahim met Asif Zardari after he returned from Karachi on Saturday evening and reportedly his explosive interview with The News dominated the discussion between the two leaders. However, the details of the meeting could not be obtained.”
Regarding Amin Fahim’s statements. Certainly is odd that he would come our so strongly (‘I am being humiliated, betrayed’). Now he is always described as a “seasoned politician” and this kind of talk throws that belief out of the window. This is the kind of statement from which there is no going back — seems he is looking for a fight. And I won’t buy that this was just an outburst. Guys like him are very thick-skinned and impossible for them loose control like that. So who’s the puppet-master? Who’s pulling the string to make the birdie sing this song?
11 demands put by the Us in front of Pakistan:
sharam ham ko magar nahi aati
http://thepost.com.pk/EditorialNews.aspx?dtlid=148861&catid=10
@pakismine
eing covered here
thanks nota for the link. Appreciate it.
Blundering Idi*ts:
Kashmir Singh’s spy confessions create ripples
“…The confession turned what was meant to be a humanitarian gesture to reduce tensions and further bolster the India-Pakistan peace process into an international embarrassment for Islamabad that could endanger hundreds of prisoners on both sides held in similar circumstances….”
India’s ‘Thank You’ Sp*t on Burney’s Face:
India’s Gift on Release of Kashmir Singh: The Body of Dead Pakistani Killed By Torture
Mush’s Lies Exposed…
What a letter, indeed!
We have heard a lot said about My Lord, Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry by Gen (retd) Musharraf and his minions in the one year that he has been dismissed/sent on leave/sent on forced leave/reinstated/dismissed/deposed/put under house arrest alongside his family including children, one as young as nine.
Most of this has been insane nonsense. But you have to see to believe the letter sent to the president of the American Bar Association (ABA) by the ‘president’ of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on Dec 26, 2007….
@Admin
Moderators off for the weekend???
For those who believe US torturing / water-boarding is some recent phenomenon (and something that will go away with Bush), here’s a flashback to the last century:
The Water Cure
Debating torture and counterinsurgency—a century ago.
Brave Muslim Leadership:
Arab diplomacy. Arab foreign ministers officially ask Israel to keep lying about its nuclear arsenal
@optimist
Bro even if I copy things I copy to defeat the thoughts and ideas of secularism and Demon-Crazy. You are also copying things from the secular thinkers and coming up with same old outdated and false points about the system of khilafah and Islam. Are you the inventor of Demon-Crazy, secularism or freedoms??? Come up with some idea and let’s discuss it.
I have already replied to your inane questions regarding Mr. Atizaz and Mr. Iftikhar so please stop repeating it again and again because you can’t malign Islamic thoughts using these arguments which are way below the standard of discussion.
Regards
@ Hamaradeen
Bro I agree with you and let me tell you the background of the discussion started about plagiarism. I post a small analysis and the admin stopped it and said that this section is for new and views, if anyone wants to post an article or analysis he should give the link. I was not aware of this so Mr. Optimists felt happy and was waiting to attack me, Islam and Islamists. I said I was honestly not aware of it and even I feel no problem islamically to share thoughts, Ideas and analysis with my brothers and sisters, even if I copy it from some one. My aim as a Muslims Dawah carrier is to carry the massage of Islam forward and whenever I will come across some good analysis and thoughts I will carry it forward. But MR. Optimist does not agree with this.
Islam encourages research work but does not prohibit copying good thoughts and ideas and a person who has done that research and understand Islam will not mind it because he will be aware of the fact that as a true believer we don’t try to showoff and take credit of everything. Anybody who will copy my work and carry it forward is a SADQA JARIYA FOR ME but how would a secular person understand this concept because he sees everything wearing the glasses of interest and benefit.
Moreover copyrights are also forbidden in Islam.
@awais
I agree with most of the reply given by Bro Shimatoree and its enough to rebut your post and clarify your misconceptions regarding the system of khilafah.
However I believe that khilafah remained there till 3rd march 1924 when a traitor Mustafa kaamal with the help of Britain officially declared Turkey as secular state and abolished khilafah. Even if I agree with you for the sake of argument that the Islamic state did not exist after the death of our beloved prophet (saw) I would still say that read Quran and hadith the system prescribed by Allah (swt) and his last prophet Muhammad (Saw) is nothing but khilafah. So as a Muslim it is obligatory upon us to establish the rule of Allah (swt) and the method to establish that rule is khilafah and khilafah alone. There are numerous ayats of Quran and numerous Ahadith as well as quotes of the classical scholars about the issue of khilafah which makes it obligatory and leaves not a shade of doubt in it.
Bro Islam gives us a complete socio-economic and political system and as long as Muslims were stick to there ideology they were ruling the world and when they abandon it they have reached to this stage. The method to implement Islam in our socio-economic, collective and state affairs is khilafah because khilafah is the ruling system in Islam they way democracy is the ruling system in secularism.
Regards
Question About Pakistan Day, March 23rd 2008, Parade
Can anyone correct me in assuming that Dictator Musharraf did not conduct a Pakistan Day parade since 2002 due to terrorism threat? If so, why the current government is getting ready to celebrate March 23rd this year in the open sky in Islamabad?
For Mush Lovers:
Pakistan among 10 most unpopular countries in US: poll
“Pakistan is 6th on the list with 72 per cent respondents saying they see it unfavourably while 22 per cent viewed it favourably.”
Would Mush take credit for the 22 percent of the 72 percent?
On a lighter(?) note:
Indian doctor in biggest US malpractice scandal
NEW YORK, March 9: As many as 40,000 people may have been infected with the deadly hepatitis C virus or HIV from a Las Vegas clinic, owned by Dr Dipak Desai, an Indian American, in what is emerging as one of the biggest malpractice scandals in the US history….
Well does that not qualify him to be the Punjab Health Minister? See
Punjab health minister on trial in Nebraska
WASHINGTON: The first public trial of Punjab Health Minister Dr Tahir Ali Javed will start in Nebraska next week, charged as he is with causing 99 hepatitis C infections when he was practising medicine in this country….
Remember Dr. Tahir was made the Punjab Health Minister knowing he was thus accused and that being the reason for him having left US…
New York Times Article on the Anti Musharraf Alliance :
Pakistan Rivals Join to Fight Musharraf
The language is certainly bellicose and indicative of an eventual Article 6 hammertime :
Lets hope people understand the actual face of “jamhoriyat”. Our leader have failed create a stable system and stand up understand against the establishment. Only these people are to be blame who idealize democracy in a place where majority are Muslims and an ideal system would be the system of Islam. Before it was islami jamhoriyat ( which was also wrong) now its left to jamhoriyat.
As far as the issue of plagiarism is concerned i am ashamed to say when someone is trying to speak the truth he is being stopped by our own Muslim brothers.
Talking about the current situation in Pakistan let me tell u all one thing, no matter what face of the government u see, their policies are NEVER going to change. Issues regarding war on terror, Taking loans from imf, Banking system based on interest etc etc.
Oh yes and the ppl are to blamed as well
We should push for a new law where foreign nationals cannot hold prominent positions in political parties. They should not be allowed to address political rallies (either directly or on phone).
These people should have Pakistani residency and leave their foreign passport if they wish to pursue Pakistani politics.
People like Altaf Hussain should not be allowed to address people unless they shift to Pakistan (for at least 270 days a year) and leave their foreign nationality.
This trend is very dangerous because foreign elements are hijacking people of Pakistan with the help of Generals and their dirty agents.
@Optimist
Good suggestions. I don’t believe this MQM “trend” is practised anywhere else in the world.
/Saqib
Yes this would finish off one of the thousand issues we have in our country.
War between presidency and parliament to be catastrophic: Musharraf
ISLAMABAD: President Pervez Musharraf said in an interview that political stability is his top priority and that a war between the presidency and the newly elected parliament would be catastrophic.
“I’m looking forward to working with this government for the full five years,” Mr. Musharraf said. “Even my harshest critics have agreed that the recent elections were free and fair. Now, I want to build on that.”
The atmosphere was informal, at times interrupted with light banter and laughter as Mr. Musharraf sat with several aides during interview.
Casually dressed in an open-collar shirt, Mr. Musharraf scoffed at speculation in the press that he would attempt to derail the results of Feb. 18 elections by using his constitutional powers to dismiss parliament, or not call parliament into session.
“You think someone who has spent his entire adult life defending Pakistan and the past eight years trying to put democracy back on track wants to see the government fail and the country return to political anarchy?
“No. I’m committed to making this work.”
Mr. Musharraf’s political future looked uncertain when PPP and PML-N, the two leading parties agreed to form a coalition government that would reinstate dozens of judges, who were ousted by Mr. Musharraf under a Nov. 3 declaration of emergency rule.
This Marzai Son of a b***** will not leave pakistan alone . The dog should be made example for futur na mard jarnails.
If he is mirzai, then how come JI and JUI didn’t protest at him being one or his wife and other friends being mirzai? They created such a stink at Imran Khan’s wife being an ex-jew …
Musharraf trying to rise from the Bunker
http://dictatorshipwatch.com/Article4347.html
4 Man Show with Ansar Barni coming shortly on pkpolitics.
Admin
Operation Good Night — busharraf’s plan to break Amin Fahim from PPP and form govt with Q
http://www.pakspectator.com/operation-goodnight-plan/
ne 1 know if true? maybe mqm will finally get some ministery, itni khasia bardari kar li ham nay kuch to milay bhai!
chooooooooooooooran khaaaaaaaaaaaaa layoooooooooooooooo
@ geog47
I would like to add the reporter should ask the question that if it would be the requirement of the situation that either Musharaf should quit or the assembly should be dissolved then would he give up presidency just for the sake of Pakistan as he has spent his whole adult life for defending Pakistan. I am sure he will not give up his presidency the most selfish self centered Head of Pakistan ever has. But the question should be asked as ” Jhootay ko ghar tak pohnchana chahiyay”
Lota Nazir Naji is changing again. He has written against Mush. He has realised that new rulers are gonna throw Mush out.
http://jang.com.pk/jang/mar2008-daily/11-03-2008/col3.htm
@chooran
“busharraf’s plan to break Amin Fahim from PPP and form govt with Q”
Well if that is Mush’s plan then PML(N) is certainly helping him out. Today’s Dawn’s Headline is :
PML(N) Vetoes Candidature of Fahim
Here is the link to the above story now that it is online.
Fahim certainly has proven himself to be Mush’s puppet (If it is a “conspiracy” against him by Zardari, well it has suceeded in convincing me). What is more likely is that PML(N) coming out now against Fahim is to help PPP deal Fahim out of the picture and help Zardari not take all the heat for it.
Mush and Shauki’s Economic Miracle:
Trade deficit soars to $12.43bn in 8 months
So let’s see: at this rate for the year it will be $18.65bn.
Much touted foreign exchange reserves of $17bn (actually $14bn)
So you do the math. By the way keep in mind this $12.43bn figure does not include debt servicing costs, etc. This is what you owe for the last eight months of things you have bought.
Two Explosions heard in Lahore
Just now heard one very loud one followed 30 seconds later by a smaller one. Don’t know where and don’t see any smoke on the horizon from here (DHA) yet.
Geo is reporting it was near the High Court. Well I heard this one LOUD ( I never heard the Navy War College one a few days ago which is closer). …
Confirmation:
One explosion certainly was in Nawaz Sharif Park. (My brother lives about 500 yards from there and he confirmed it)
Confirmation:
Another one was on Temple Road according to Geo.
Now Geo says it was “FIA Office on Mall Road”
The building where the big explosion happened (FIA Ofice) is reported to have almost completely collapsed. Portions of two buildings close to it have collapsed as well..
Model Town blast was in F-Block. I heard mentioned “Close to Bilawal House”
Will they call this “Suicide Bombing” too? This sh*t was BIG!
P.S. It was a 9-story (FIA) building that has collapsed
FIA building on temple road, near mall. Casualties feared.
The Model Town explosion was at some Barrister Ijaz Batalvi’s house. It is being reported it was carried out by an explosive-laden pickup drive into the gate. That house too has completely been destroyed. Any one know whio this guy is and why he would be targetted?
Ijaz Batalvi was a very eminent lawyer of Lahore who died sometime back. He was also the prosecution lawyer in the ZA Bhutto case.
@ All Bro & sis,
A discussion on the treatment of women under the shariah following comments by Dr Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury.
http://www.hizb.org.uk/hizb/press-centre/press-appearances/dr-nazreen-nawaz-htb-&-joan-bakewell-on-women-and-shariah.html
Regards
Well, seems Ijaz Batalvi has been dead for some time. Wonder who lives their now.
Here is the last mention of him I found in a news story (July 2007):
“…Ch. Pervaiz Elahi further said that after having been removed from power in 1999 Sharif brothers left the country. He said that Barrister Ejaz Batalvi told me that these people were about to leave the country. He said that Ejaz Batalvi quoted the examples of Ch Zahoor Elahi and Nelson Mandela who suffered imprisonment and asked them not to leave the country. The Chief Minister said that he also visited these people and they requested me to get their release on bail with the help of Tariq Aziz. He said that Ejaz Batalvi had also shown me copies of their deal for leaving the country….”
The Model town blast may not be a suicide attack. It is being claimed at some channels that it was actually at the offices of some advertising agency.
Important Cases of Ijaz Batalvi:
http://www.ijazbatalvi.com/cases&trials.html
Posting the link as it is an Interesting list!
Are people going to wake up or still just blame Mush and the establishmnet for planning the blame and not these wrethched murderers.
Some body should go gas Baitullah and these damn taliban , they deserve nothing but destruction
5 People dead at Batalvi House, including 2 children ages 6 and 8…
Batalvi House Bombing seems to be make no sense. Case of wrong address?
nota seems like it
Now that makes sense: Appears Batalvi house is right next to SP Sahiwal’s house so I might have been right above…
But what do people here care Just worry about get ting the Freaking Justice in the court room he will solve every thing
This is what we get for following american policies; this goes to show how bleak the situation has been made by Mush. Lahore seems to be on fire. If they had to do it , should have done it where mostly military officials live.
Zenuth you can blame Mush all you want but these animals dont give a hoot about Mush it ishappeing becaus ethey are are twochicken shit to go fight against face to face and like to hide an kill innicent people
IT time to do what Rusiia did in checnya gas these animals out no more paying nice , they understand only one thing extreme voilence they kill one of our kids we should kill ten of theirs
asim:
SHUT UP!
asim:
You don’t test my temper now. Just close the hole in your face else I’ll GAS you Allah ki kasam.
Why dont you shut up you Pakis mine or Pak killer, Not any more guys dont deserve any any thing, ask the kid who died what was his fault bloody cowards
leave my country and peole alone and go back to Afganistan or the god infested arab country you are from
two small kid died how do you defend pakismine I hope nothing like this ever happens to you family no matter who you are
I will gas you along with Musharaf if you try to overshadow what he did. WHAT A STUPID PERSON YOU ARE? What was the fault of THOSE kids who died in the Lal Masjid, who died in FATA.
People who are taking revenge isn this abhoring manner are not any better than the perpetrators of original atrocities. Both deserve to be hanged.
THEY ARE NOT FROM KABUL GOD DAMN IT!. THEY ARE OUR OWN PEOPLE. THEY ARE THE BROTHERS, FATHERS OR HUSBANDS OF THE ONES KILLED BY THE OPERATIONS.
JUST restrict your GAS inside yourself for some minutes please.
Lal masjid people were taking the law on to there own hands they were given 4 day notice to get out if a person like you does not understand then then what do i need to say any thing
PS your argument shows your own character enough said
NY the way this stupid person has a dctorate form Harvard ,
They are not my peolple these are anims, what do you call a person that target kids , may be they are your brothers not mine, by the way I am a pashtun
Point is: When you condemn one bad action, we should also condemn the other bad action as well. I SWEAR TO GOD; ALL THESE CASUALTIES UP TILL NOW IN EACH AND EVERY BOMB BLAST OR ATTACK WHATSOEVER GOES TO THE ACCOUNT OF PERVEZ MUSHARRAF.
I PRAY TO GOD THAT GOD MAKES JUSTICE WITH HIM IN THIS LIFE FIRST.
HE MAY DIE THE WORST DEATH EVER TO ANYBODY.
AMEEN
asim:
I WOULD HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION FROM YOU BACHAY WHEN YOUR MOTHER AND FATHER AND SISTER AND BROTHER HAD BEEN KILLED AND YOU HAD NOTHING TO EAT AND NO ONE TO HELD YOUR HAND. YOU WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN COMING HERE AND PROTESTING LIKE THIS.
What a biased person we are!
No way, If aguy in the Tribal areas stops girls form studying, allows susicide attcks by indoctring 15 years old, in Islamabad kidnapping people how do you comapre that to Musharaff , he is weful yes but you can not comapare that to these people and FYI people in the tribal areas would kill these people themselves if they could, tell me one islamic thing these animals and these animals have done, whats Islamic or patritoic or humane about these people, are these people miuslim or pure evil. Where are they getting money from and who are they listening to a Pakistani or a coward form Arabia
@asim
“They are not my peolple these are anims, what do you call a person that target kids ”
Israelis/Zionists. Mush LOVES them…
For @asim
Israel co-operates Musharraf in slaughtering Pakistani Muslims
Outrage as Musharraf backs Israel
Should I go on?
nota I dont care about arabs or isrealis I care about pakistan, you know as well as me how arabs discrimitae gainst Paksitani,a i dont care what they do to each other I only care about my country .
That’s not the answer to my question.
I HAVE ASKED YOU; that; What will you do if your brother, mother, father, sister and wife had been murdered one day you wake up? Then you have nothing to eat and no one to console you and say that what was done may be wrong and condolatory. WHAT WILL YOU, AS ASIM, DO?
Tell me.
Nota Isreal doesnt give a Rats ass about us and neiter do the Arabs, they all uses us and leave why should we care about them but us, who has helped us in our need, which country by the way pth emost after the earth Quake,it wanst a muslim country
Tehn why do you support Mush who is the cause of all this? Why don’t you care about what his gunda’s have been doing to please his bosses in FATA and Waziristan? Why is this OK by you? Who is breaking the deal he made with the tribals?
Same your knee-jerk emotional out-bursts for yourself.
I will not go and kill Innocent kids , i would go and try to kill the people who did it , the ones in afghanistan iIwould not kill kids, Take a gun see the person face to face fire on them dont take the cowards way out and kil people who have nothing to do with the fight,
We did not have this chaos before this traitor mush raised his ugly head.
So much for “Suicide-Bomber Did It!” theory being regurgitated:
From BBC: FIA official Mirza Mohammed Yasin told reporters that it was caused by a bomb planted near a lift inside the building.”
Of course he will change his story later and Baitullah Mehsud will still be blamed if not already…
@asim
“Take a gun see the person face to face fire on them dont take the cowards way out and kil people who have nothing to do with the fight,”
You been watching too many Westerns, kiddo. Are you also saying FIA has nothing to do with the fight? And do look up the term “collatoral damage” that your masters are so fond of using to wash away all their sins. May be the other side uses that as a justification as well. And why shouldn’t they?
@asim
“Take a gun see the person face to face fire on them dont take the cowards way out and kil people who have nothing to do with the fight,”
You been watching too many Westerns, kiddo. Are you also saying FIA has nothing to do with the fight? And do look up the term “collatoral damage” that your masters are so fond of using to wash away all their sins. May be the other side uses that as a justification as well. And why shouldn’t they? Didn’t your guys (military) just bomb a house just the day before killing women and children? Your papers proudly screamed “Military Pounds Militant Hideouts” but the real story of what they pounded did not make it to most of the papers
What can I say people are showing there two faces putting smilies when men and women and kids have died
When I saw where the smiley appeared, I knew you would focus on that and forget everything else.(by the way it belonged somewhere else (after the word “kiddo” but this site puts it in the end.)
If you can manage here is another article to read. I know you won’t and will just holler and scream with your eyes closed but here it is anyways:
Predator in Pakistan
Yes nota why the hell you try to smile. Sorry Asim from his behalf. He didn’t mean it I’m sure.
asim:
So now that you admit that you will go and kill the ones who killed yours. Thanks for accepting that and that’s what I wanted to prove. Coward or brave, we don’t know what the next suicide bomber will be. So point to be noted:
1) Don’t blame the personnels for the bombarding the innocents in Lal Masjid and FATA. AT
1) Don’t blame the suicide bombers
1) Don’t blame the personnels for the bombarding the innocents in Lal Masjid and FATA. and at the same time
2) Don’t blame the suicide bombers for bombing the innocents.
BLAME THE ONES WHO ARE ORDERING THEM, MENTORING THEM:
ISRAEL, US, MUSHARRAF, Q LEAGUE. AL-QAIDA.
@pakismine
“So now that you admit that you will go and kill the ones who killed yours. ”
So @asim is blaming someone for doing what he says he will himself do if put in the same situation. What a hypocrite!
Musharraf can pardon an Indian spy that has been sentenced to death, but was the crime of the innocent children of Lal masjid so horrible that he could not rest until he had burnt them alive? For America and Musharraf the demand to implement Islam is an unpardonable crime, deserving of death sentence and imprisonment.
The purpose of freeing the Indian spy is to establish Indian supremacy and give the world the impression that Pakistan is so weak that it is will undertake any desperate measure to make friends with. Moreover, such so-called confidence measures are in order to bury the Kashmir issue for ever and another step to make Pakistan a part of Greater India (Akund Baharat). This incidence is yet another example of how Musharraf, with his severe inferiority complex, is ready to bow his head at a moments notice before America, but stiffens his neck with arrogance when killing Muslims in Swat and Wana.
I ask the Minster of Human Rights, Ansar Barni, if a convicted Indian spy is so deserving of human rights, why is it that he could liberate a single missing person amongst the hundreds of Muslims languishing in the torture cells of Musharraf.
Only khilafah can elevate Muslims from a position of disgrace and humiliation to a status of honour and dignity.
Regards
What a tragic event. How can anyone do this to innocent people? It can’t be human beings.
I suspect Mush, MQM and PML-Q is to blame for this. We have enemies from outside; Yankees and Indians infiltrating from Afghanistan and furthermore we have our “own” Trojan horses/fifth column to do the damage from inside. This task has been put upon MQM and PML-Q. These are dangerous times. We need to get rid of Mush and lieutenants asap and then deal with the fifth column (PML-Q and MQM).
I don’t believe anyone from the frontier did this.
/Saqib
Express News is confirming the Model Town blast was probably a case of mistaken identity and the house right next door was the probable target as it belongs to an intelligence guy and the house itself is reportedly been heavily used for intelligence activities.
Oh no.
revivalist is back with his usual rubbish. his brothers have just killed innocent people in Lahore (with the help of Mush).
how many more lives you want revivalist?
The problems of Pakistan are growing day by day in all sectors of life. I believe the reason behind all these problems are the ruling class of Pakistan and the system of secular democracy which has brought Pakistan on this brink of disaster. The option left with us is neither democracy nor dictatorship; rather the only viable solution is Islam and the system of khilafah.
We have tried all types of systems in Pakistan and these systems were doomed to fail because it does not represent believe of the people and the ruler never reflect the feeling and emotions of the people and the masses. The system of democracy has not just failed in Pakistan rather in the whole world. Capitalism is unable to look after the affairs of people in the world.
Indeed the world is in dire need of Ideological change and the vacuum created by capitalism could only be filled with the ideology of Islam. So we should not refer to the system which is the root cause of all our problems which always bring elites in the ruling not only in Pakistan but in those countries which are considered as models of democracy like India, USA and Britain. Only a handful people are enjoying a luxuries life at the expense of millions and billions of people.
In Pakistan in the last 60 years we have seen only those people could come into power who are land lords, industrialists and business men. They spent millions of rupees to secure seat in the parliament because they know that after becoming a parliamentarian they would play the role of God. What ever they say would become a law for others, they can make right wrong and a wrong right.
Khilafah state will implement Islam in all sectors of life and will re-unify the Ummah and will use abounded of recourses for the welfare of this ummah and will protect the Blood, dignity, wealth, resources, unity and above all aqeedah of this Ummah. Khilafah will not only take the Muslim ummah out from this severe intellectual and political decay rather it will also take the whole of humanity out from the severe darkness of capitalism to the light of Islam.
It is not the only solution left with us rather it is obligatory to work for the re-establishment of khilafah state.
‘Tortured’ prisoner’s body arrives from India
By Our Staff Reporter
LAHORE, March 10: The body of a Pakistani man who had died in Indian police custody allegedly because of torture was handed over to Pakistan at Wagah on Monday.
The victim’s brother Abdullah, who had gone with other family members to receive the body, told reporters that Khalid Mahmood , 26, had gone to India in 2005 to watch a cricket match.
He said Indian intelligence agencies had arrested Khalid in Mohali when he was going to the Pakistan High Commission to report that he had lost his passport.
He said the family came to know about the arrest in 2006 from a letter sent by Khalid. His mother, sister and a bother went to India and filed an appeal in a court for his release but they had to leave for home within a week because of harassment by Indian intelligence agencies, he
said. This left the family unable to follow up the case.
He said the family came to know about Khalid’s death in police custody on March 4 but he had died on Feb 12, which could be verified by an autopsy.
He said Indian security agencies had ‘severely tortured’ Khalid because they considered him a spy.
He also criticised the Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi for failing to secure his brother’s release.
He said the Indian government should be ashamed of such a brutal act, especially when Pakistan had released convicted spy Kashmir Singh.
The body was brought to Lahore for autopsy and Khalid’s relatives held a demonstration. They blocked the Nila Gumbad Road, burnt an Indian flag and chanted slogans against the Indian government.
The protesters urged the government to lodge a strong protest with the Indian authorities and pay compensation to the family.
Khalid’s funeral prayers will be offered in his village Dera Islamuddin, Baseen, on Tuesday.
Agencies add: Arif Awan, a lawyer for the relatives, said Khalid had been charged with spying and involvement in terrorism but he never appeared in a court.
He said the relatives wanted an autopsy because they suspected that he had been abused in custody.
Relatives who visited Khalid in a jail in New Delhi said his nails had been pulled off, his body bore torture marks and his eyes had sunk, according to his brother Inamul Haq.
We are giving spies back to India and they are returning our people after killing them, Mr Awan said.
An official of Pakistan High Commission in New Delhi told APP that it was informed on Feb 13 about the death and a letter was written the same day to the Indian external affairs ministry seeking details and the circumstances under which he had died. The Indian government had failed to provide any information, he said.
http://dawn.com/2008/03/11/top6.htm
Shame on Mush Kutaa , Bagairat for releasing convicted spy Kashmir singh. This is how Hindus paid back
http://dawn.com/2008/03/11/top6.htm
The Military and it’s policies have been an UTTER FAILURE for Pakistan.
Everything they try to get their paws into, turnes against us. We are isolated, hated, most vulnerable and at the mercy of others because of the Military rule.
We need to do something about it once and for all. and reverting the constitution back to 1999 isn’t the answer because Mush abrogated exactly that constitution.
Pakistan demands blood from it’s patriots and it’s traitors. Or there will be no Pakistan.
Where is that Billaa Ansar Barney ??? He should have been here to collect this inncent man’s body.
What a SLAP ON THE FACE of mush and his cronie’s appeasement policies. Indians are doing as they please and all Mush and his cronies care about is intrigue to save their own skins…
Well they’re going to lose their powers, and they’re going to lose their skins.
Express your displeasure with Ansar Burney by sending an email to this address:
humanrightsuk@aol.com
you read it right. Human Right Suk! Paging Dr. Freud!
I have always said that there is a method in these bombings in Pakistan. There are actually three categories of bombing.
1. The first type of the bombing is part of the ongoing battle between Army and the extremist members of extremists. This group of extremists is the one which has been betrayed by army since 2001, these incidents have increased after the Lal Masjid fiasco. Moreover these bombings are distinct and can easily be differntiated. First of all they have a clear target i.e Army and security personal (security personals do not include Police, FIA or any other civilian agency , even not the rangers and such), they are usually high profile targets. Another characterstic of these attacks is that they are “real” suicide attacks and usually precise in hitting their target. Another characterstic of these attack is that they are not “managed” by agencies , hence it is hard to predict them, sometimes they happen in succession and 2 or 3 incidents in the span of a week in different locations in Pakistan and sometimes don’t happen for months. This is a fierece and deadly battle.
2. The second type of these bombings are what I call “managed” incidents. Here are certain characterstics of such incidents.
a) They are deadliest in nature, usually the death toll in such attacks is in the range 20-250 people.
b) They are “fake” suicide attacks and security agencies are prompt in telling that they have found the head of suicide attacker.
c) Security agencies will be quickly able to give the sketch of attacker and will be able to track down the people involved in the attack in 3-4 weeks.
d) These attacks are usually easily guessed by the people who read the newspaper or come on pkpolitics.
e) The targets in these attacks are usually “bloody” civilians (including the police/fia and other civil servants).
f) The timings of such attacks is all the more important , so when you hear from Brig. Javed Iqbal Cheema , that “the security has been beefed up for the political leaders” or “suicide attackers have entered Islamabad” , or “All the security agencies have been put on red alert” etc. etc. , yes the attack is coming in a week or so.
g) These attacks usually have “un-natural” timings, for example they won’t happen during Moharram or during large gatherings of PML-Q , however they may happen just before the lawyers procession in Lahore etc.
3) Third type of bombings happen far less frequently, these bombings usually have very high profile target. Only incident in the last year was on 27th December 2007.
Pakistan buries cricket fan killed in India ISLAMABAD, March 11 (Reuters): A Pakistani man who lost his passport in India while there to watch cricket in 2005 was buried on Tuesday a day after his body was sent home from India where he had been imprisoned as a spy, his brother said. Khalid Mahmood died in an Indian prison on Feb. 12 but his family in Pakistan was only informed of his death on March 4, the family said. March 4 was the same day Pakistani authorities released an Indian spy, Kashmir Singh, who spent 35 years on death row in Pakistan on spying charges but was released after President Musharraf accepted his mercy plea. “He had gone to India to watch a match in early 2005 where he lost his passport and ended up in an Indian jail on spying charges,” Mahmood’s brother told Reuters. He said Indian authorities had not said how his brother died. But said his brother’s body bore signs of torture. A Pakistani Foreign Office spokesman said India never informed Pakistan about Mahmood’s arrest until he died. (Posted @ 21:08 PST)
http://dawn.com/2008/03/11/welcome.htm
I Just heard Chaudhary Nisar revealing in Off the record that in 1999 mushi told him and shahbaz sharif that we should eliminate altaf hussain while he is sitting in London. when Nisar asked muhsi how can you do that to a person sitting in a foreign land, mushi replied that he has some sources who can do that on his behalf and no body will blame pakistan for that.
@@dmin can you please upload this program. We should ask all these mqm people who are full of praise for mushi, what they now say about him.
just to mention that this discussion was at the very end of the program
@bechari-awam: These were all tactics to trap NS and SS. He is the guy who started Kargil and he is the guy who would have setup this thing..
Mushie had no reason to actually go through, he would only have used it as pretext to get NS in trouble. As soon as NS did the Nuclear tests, the Americans wanted him out of the way and they had their b!tch in position who did everything in his power to discredit NS. Kargil was the same thing.. this idiot and his buddies did this to deteriorate the situation so they could do a coup. Same thing would have been this plot.
The idea was to trap NS and then get him ritually hanged on the behalf of his masters. His real masters are the Americans who have been advancing him through the ranks over the years.. Same goes for most of the chiefs and generals in our army. our system is heavily compromised and infiltrated by foreign assets.
A massive purge will be needed to clear pakistan of these foreign leeches. They own properties outside and have NO sympathies with Pakistan. They use pakistan as a victim whose blood they can suck as long as they can and then they leave and live in their european villas with their FAT kids.
Off the Record with Ch. Nisar uploading on blip.
Admin
@ Taba’an Khamosh
Mush may have wanted him dead so that Mush could head that party. After all both are criminals.
Mush would have put NS/SS in trouble, got rid of Altaf and become Chief of MQM and President too. In the same way Altaf had Azeem Tariq killed (first Chairman and founder of MQM) and put the blame on agencies.
@ pejamistri
couldnt agree with you more. whenever civilians are the target, know that it is the agencies’ dirty work. no Muslim would give his life away for killing innocent people, and the people from tribal areas who carry out suicide bombings have a specific military target, they know they will goto hell if they attack civilians so why would they? seriously why would they attack civilians anyway? that will only go against them, only mush benefits from attacks on civilians.
the news about the pakistani prisoner returned dead from india is tragic indeed. ansar burni should be brought on tv and humiliated in front of the nation for freeing convicted indian spies who worked against our country. he was making tall claims in the interview that indian public will pressure indian govt to release pakistani prisoners and in 10-15 days we will see indian response. well we have seen the indian response, which is a big slap on our face. how much more will this musharraf humiliate us as a nation?
@ admin
i think you should put this news on the front page of the indian response to ansar barni’s “kind gestures”. thanx
@optimist: I dunno bro.. I think the “hidden hand” in the establishment has got heavy paan stains on it as far as I’m concerned. Mush and AH are collaborators and it is evident from his last meeting in london.
I’m sorry but these ppl are not faithful to Pakistan in it’s current shape. Mush gave MQM the ministries and the MQM ministeries were not like “Ansar Barny” or “Kashmala” fake ministries. They took full advantage of their positions and good for them. If anyone thinks MQM did not import heavy weapons right under mushie’s nose is dreaming. Altaf Husain can’t be this stupid that he didn’t use the “Shipping and ports” ministry to fill up his armaments.
This time when Pakistan Army goes in to Karachi, they’ll get a rude awakening when they find themselves facing anti-aircraft guns and howitzers.
Musharraf to visit China next month
Updated at: 2340 PST, Tuesday, March 11, 2008
ISLAMABAD: Pervez Musharraf will go on a six-day official visit to China next month.
According to sources of the ministry of foreign affairs, the president would tour China from April 10 to 15.
On April 11, he will have a strategic meeting with Chinese president Hu Jintao in Sanya, a city of China.
The Chinese president will host a dinner in the honour of President Pervez Musharraf on the same day.
According to the sources, the Self Proclaimed President of Pakistan will meet Chinese prime minister Wen jiabao in Beijing, the capital of China, on April 14.
Delegations of both countries will also be present in this meeting in which agreements in various sections including trade, investment, shipping, construction of highways, energy, defense and science & technology will be signed.
Ministers in the newly-elected cabinet will be included in the delegation of the President Pervez Musharraf during the visit of China.
@ TK
i agree with you. mush was plotting against the nawaz govt all along, he wouldnt kill his fellow traitor altaf. this snake had been shown the way by his american masters long time ago. remember he had a female relative who was an israeli spy, whose case he defended. if he was a patriotic citizen, he wouldnt have defended and covered up for an israeli spy, chances are most likely he was also an israeli spy all along. the whole 9/11 episode was also planned such that the americans would have thier man in pakistan so they wouldnt have any problems with instigating a global war on Islam.
@Tab’an Khamosh
Your argumentation makes sense. First we had ZAB, who in spite both veiled and direct threats was in a hurry to make preparations for the nuclear program. Henry Kissinger has been quoted to have made very blatant threat to ZAB. He stated that the Yankees would make an example out of him, if he did not comply. The Yankees found a traitor to do this dirty job in Zia. The Yankees really made an example out of a fine leader. I am not PPPP supporter, but one has to give credit to those politicians who made something for this country.
1. Ayub Khan mismanaged the country. The result was dismemberment of Pakistan. 90.000 soldiers capitulated in Bangladesh. He was not in charge, but he was main responsible as he had been made all the “preparations”.
2. Zia mismanaged on numerous fronts. The war in Afghanistan should have been supported, but we should have ensured that we did not a broad gateway to Pakistan. This gateway ensured unhindered smuggling of drugs and weapons. Before this we did not have so severe problems with nor weapons or drugs.
3. Musharraf has mismanaged in way not seen before. He also removed a democratically elected leader just like his predecessors. Pakistan had never experienced suicide bombers. We got this “gift” from this (dush)man. He collaborated with every scum bag of a politician (MQM, PML-Q and JUI-F) to ensure his power base. He has shown that he know not any limits for sinking to lows. Invited the Yankees to interfere in OUR INTERNAL affairs, bombing in Pakistan, Buying prisoners from Musharraf…..the list is so long.
We don’t want these generals at the helm of affairs. If they want to keep a little bit of respect they must cut all links to Musharraf and swear NEVER to interfere in civilian matters again no matter what happens to the traitor Musharraf. This way they will again be loved by the people of Pakistan – otherwise they are doomed to live an isolated life in GHQ unable to roam freely.
/Saqib
@goeg47:
Clear indication he has NO plans to give up power easily. President under the constitution has NO BUSINESS taking ministers with him. They don’t serve under him, they serve in the cabinet of the PM. PM is authorized to make treaties with other countries NOT PRESIDENT!
This means Mush is LYING when he says he will allow the parliament to work. This MOFO MUST be defeated even if it means marching on that evil building the Army House!!!
Ameen Fahim better wise the f*dk up or we’ll all go to hell because of that guy! Pakistani Wadera’s are such Weak spineless F*CKS!
@saqib: the americans engage in some real weird shit. I sound totally paranoid, but most of their “enemies” (disobedients) are hanged and humiliated after death.
Bhutto
Allende
Saddam
Mush kutti da puttar also wanted to hang NS and it is clear that it was because he went ahead with the nukes. This Madar C*** for his own skin, sat with charlie rose and firking said AQ Khan proliferated the nuclear stuff.. Even though it is the f*cking Jurnails who were doing it. He blamed a national hero for their crimes. And he would have given him up.
Now they are trying to kill AQ Khan by slowly poisoning him. It is curious that all their prisoners are getting “fainting spells ” these days. That mengal balochi guy and AQ khan both are fainting repeatedly these days. I think our patriotic “intelligence agencies” are getting some top of the line poisons from their american masters.
Gawd WTF did we do to deserver this sh!T.. Iran has one SAVAK and we have 6 of these..
I have never understood why anyone can buy the arguments about AQK exporting nuclear technology incl. centrifuges etc. to foreign countries. How can he do that on his own? It is impossible to run a one man show like that. There are no limit for Musharraf’s lies.
/Saqib
I just heard (witch)doctor Imran Farooq from MQM give a statement that they are ready to talk with PML-N and PTI. What do they want to talk about? Anybody knows? Or was it the usual MQM bla…bla…bla?
/Saqib
Musharraf under mafias and minorities rule?
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/Article4058.html
Turkish top general warns on extremists in Pakistan
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/turkey/8417175.asp?gid=231&sz=91334
We are living in an age where the extremists call others extremists. Who else could be more extremist than the Turkish Generals, who are not only imposing a way of life ont heir own people with the barrel of a gun, but also butchering innocent people beyond their borders just for their asserting their basic human right to self-determination and self-rule. Now, they think they have a role in Pakistan’s internal matters as well. What is Gen. Yasar Buyukanit’s problem? Who has said in Pakistan that they want to bomb Turkey? Inade Turkey or occupy Turkey? In which way, “extremism” in Pakistan (another label for struggle against Mush’s tyranny) hurts Turkey? Actually what his extremist wants to say is: “Musharraf necessary for Pakistan’s stability.” This is nothing but defence of one extremist general by another. Who is serving and who is retired and who is the East and who is in the West don’t matter. All that matters is the bond of extremism and oppression, and their slavish mentality.
EXCELLENT NEWS FOR DEMOCRACY LOVERS
Aitzaz Ahsan made Honorary Fellow Downing College , Cambridge University
http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/news/dp/2008031001
How many slots is PML-N expected to get in the Federal Cabinet ?
Who are the most likely candidates for these portfolios?
Ministers expected in the first stage: 14 PPP, 9 PML(N), 2 ANP.
Ishaq Dar expected to take over finance.
@Optimist
Oh yes! I will am here and I will be here to expose evil people and thoughts such as DEMOCRACY (DEMON –CRAZY) and secularism, which is not only the main problem of Pakistan but of the whole world. What I said is rubbish? What is so rubbish in it, I said Mush can pardon a convicted Indian spy but can not pardon innocent girls and guys of Lal Masjid???
The problem with you guys is that you see problem only in personalities rather the problem is not only there in the personalities it is absolutely in the system which has produces such corrupt, dishonest, traitor, agent rulers.
Please don’t come up with such penniless and daft post otherwise the admin may ban you for such low level comments.
Note: Only khilafah is the answer.
Regards
@geog47
Very well said brother I agree with you that khilafah is the only solution for our problems and can liberate this ummah from the shekels of tyranny and oppression.
Regards
One problem with these beard walas is that they have one simple solution for everything. How do you deal with economy / wars / famine / corruption / AIDS / drugs / cancer/ etc., etc.? One group shouts “Khilafat’ is the answer, one says “growing a long beard”, another offers “no women in schools” will remove all ills of the world….
Talk about a sore looser:
‘Penalty’ for rejecting NA speaker
SIALKOT, March 10: The Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited (SNGPL) has uprooted the recently laid pipelines from the rural areas of NA-111 (Bajwat-Sialkot) after the defeat of PML-Q candidate and National Assembly Speaker Chaudhry Ameer Husain in elections.
According to some locals, the move seems to be ‘punishment’ for not casting vote in favour of the PML-Q hopefuls….
Speaking of gas pipeline politics:
Asif starts behaving like PM!
ISLSMABAD, March 10: Residents of Gujar Khan will benefit from a gas supply project under a Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) government, but eyebrows will be raised about the manner the project, according to a PPP press release, was sanctioned by the party’s co-chairman, Asif Ali Zardari, even before the formation of a government.
“On the recommendations of Raja Pervez Ashraf, MNA-elect, the co-chairman (Asif Zardari) approved the project of providing gas to the local population within a radius of five kilometres from gas fields in Gujar Khan district. He also announced setting up of a dry port in Sargodha and taking up on priority basis the setting up of an industrial estate in Gujar Khan,” says a handout issued by the PPP Media Office here on Monday.
There is no mention in the handout as to how a co-chairman of a party can give ‘approval’ to a project when even the newly- elected MNAs have not taken oath, what to talk about formation of a government….
Is US pulling a Henry Ford on us?
US to work with ‘whichever govt is formed’ in Pakistan
“You can have any color as long as it’s black.” — Henry Ford, about his Model T.
“HALAL FOOD FOR THOUGHT” @ All Bro & sis,
The failure of capitalism is evident from the fact that it is being implemented in nearly all countries around the world just 1% of the world’s population controls 40% of the world’s wealth, whilst 50% of the world’s population has a meagre 1%. As one looks at the world in which over 3 billion people live on less than two dollars a day one concludes that the West’s leadership of the world has failed to address mankind’s problems. The West cannot excuse itself; it has had ample time to apply its ideas and values over the last few centuries.
The terrible state the Muslim world today is not because of Islam. In fact the complete opposite is true. Western governments today, true to their history, are predatory colonialists. Aided and abetted by Muslim rulers, the two parties work with hand in hand with each other. In return for access to cheap resources in the Muslim world, the Muslim rulers are supported by the West to stay in power. Western claims of supporting freedom for the Muslim world are untrue; expediency and strategic interests trump any such concern for representative governments’ and the welfare of the Muslims.
It is because of the absence of Islam as a ruling system, the Khilafah, that these problems plague the Muslim world. Examining Islam’s past history shows that the Muslims prospered under the Khilafah whilst it was Europe that suffered ruin and oppression under Christian clergy domination. The Khilafah presents a real alternative to the current global political order. The West realises it will put an end to their free hand and suffering unleashed by their policies in the Middle East and the rest of the world. The Khilafah stands out as the only hope for the future.
Regards
I have started to hate the word Khalifah(Thanks, Revivalist!) as much as I have started to hate the word Ummah (Thanks, Mush!)
@nota
It’s obvious that you would hate both these words because its stands right in the way of secularist democracy and you are for the system of secularism and democracy. The only ideological rival to secularism is Islam and khilafah is the practical method of implementing the systems of Islam.
Ummah refers to all Muslims including you which encompasses all Muslims irrespective of there nationalities it is simply beyond nation states. According to one of the hadith of our beloved prophet (saw) “Muslims are one nation (Ummah) their land is one and their war is one”.
Bro if you would go with such speed soon you would start hating Islam etc.
Regards
Amin Fahim serves notice to Khwaja Asif
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=13519
I do not like the smell of this whole affair.
@Revivalist
“you are for the system of secularism and democracy.”
Actually I am not. Democracy is what the elite came up with to keep the masses oppressed — giving them a sense of “power” that they really don’t have. In it’s present state, all you get is choice between two poisonous “donuts”, one with chocolate filling, other vanilla. Secularism is similar tool used by the powers that be. Anarchy is what I prefer, personally.
It is not the message I hate but the self-appointed / self-righteous messengers each offering me his own magic potion / shortcut to heaven. But I’d stick with “secularism” and “democracy” for now for the lack of better alternatives.
AQ Khan’s family threatens direct action
By Rauf Klasra
ISLAMABAD: Henny Khan, the loyal Dutch wife of Dr AQ Khan, has for the first time issued a direct threat to the government, saying the time for “low-profile, patriotism and national interest” is over and if her husband’s situation did not change “we will undertake whatever action we deem necessary”.
Henny Khan, in her first strongly-worded statement since her husband was humiliated and detained by the Musharraf regime in 2004, has now sent a note to The News. Analysts said if the AQ Khan family decided to break their silence, they could grossly embarrass the government and reveal a lot of things that the military regime of General Musharraf had forcibly concealed.
The first impression one gets from this unprecedented communication is that the AQ Khan family had decided to stop acting on the orders of the government to stay in a low-profile mode and had reached the conclusion that now it would not be blackmailed any more in the name of “patriotism and national interest”.
Ms Khan also handed over a list of demands to the present and future government. “As the family, we are not requesting a public profile. All we ask is that Dr AQ Khan be allowed to lead a normal life, attend his NGO office, meet his friends, take his family out for dinner and be given the freedom that was promised by Gen Musharraf himself.”
Ms Khan who left her own country to live with the top nuclear scientist of Pakistan seemed to have finally run out of patience. In recent months, Dina Khan, daughter of AQ Khan, used to defend her father in the media by giving his side of the story on important issues concerning her father.
It is now quite clear that after years of reclusion, the family seems to have decided to challenge all the claims and accusations against Dr Khan and start confronting the government. The family has now vowed that it would use all available means to get freedom for Dr Khan who is in detention for the last four years.
A recent report in The News “AQ Khan’s release not in sight” on March 6 by Qudssia Akhlaque actually made Ms Henny Khan to give her reaction. The report said: “On the future of Dr AQ Khan, sources in the Strategic Plans Division hinted that the status quo would be maintained as it was considered imperative for his own safety and the country’s national security.” The status quo referred to is his so-called “protective custody”.
Henny Khan hit back on Tuesday by saying: “Allow me to point out that three attempts have been made on the life of the president. Is he being kept in protective custody for his own safety, even though there does not seem to be a dearth of those who wish him ill?”
Ms Khan referred to a statement of Ch Shujaat Hussain who had said: “Within this protective framework, we will make all efforts to provide him an environment which is conducive to the health and sanity of a national hero who has played a definite role in creating a nuclear Pakistan.”
Ms Khan commented on Shujaat Hussain’s statement by saying: “Again allow me to point out that, though Mr Shujaat himself was instrumental in negotiating the deal in which Dr Khan was to take the full blame on himself and, in return, was to be granted pardon with full freedom of movement and travel within Pakistan, his government did nothing to implement their part of the deal. Now, after 4 years of broken promises, we hear talk of working within this protective framework.”
She maintained that it was the same Ch Shujaat who, in an interview on Feb 5, 2004, said: “He (AQ Khan) has saved the country a second time”. The report in The News had observed that the dominant view in defence policy circles was that as long as the AQ Khan issue was alive, it would be difficult for Pakistan to give him a public profile.
Reacting to this observation, Henny Khan retorted: “Now it was not acceptable to the family any more as we think the time for low profile, patriotism and national interest is over. We will allow whichever government comes to power sufficient time to take some sort of action in my husband’s case. If nothing is forthcoming, we will undertake whatever action we deem necessary.”
Where is awaam for MR KHAN??????????????????????????? This how a HERO is treated in Pakistan we are begairat nation……..
We deserve the situation we are in………………
@nota
Dear Bro I am very happy that you are not for secularism and democracy, but the problem is that you think there is not better alternative to it, there for you have accepted this as a last resort.
Bro good news for you is that there is an alternative to the system of Democracy, which is khilafah and to understand khilafah and its structure in detail please visit http://www.khilafah.com and go to khilafah section. We have a complete book on ruling system in Islam and numerous articles and booklets about khilafah and democracy.
As for as your second point of self-appointed/ self-righteous messenger are concern, If I have aver claimed that pardon me for that. I always say that khilafah is the answer because khilafah will implement other systems of Islam, will re-unify the ummah and will take the massage of Islam forward.
“Khilafah will be back on the method of prophethood” (Masnad Ahmed)
Regards
How can a system designed by people could be superior to the system given to us by our creator? Pakistan is heading towards becoming another Turkey.
@Revivalist
who will be khaleefah?how will u choose khaleefah from common people? or u will just make anyone khaleefah like dictatorship?
@hamaradeen: The only thing I know of given to us by our creator is “The Holy Quran” (You should also read up on the nature of Vah’i and the actual logistics of how the fragments were transmitted)
Can you point out the sections in The Quran which give us “the system given to us by our creator?” — For your convenience, I am including a reference to the meaning of the word “system”
I wouldn’t be surprised if you refuse to accept an “un-islamic” website as the source of meaning for the word you are using to imply certain things (word: system) . Perhaps we should use a dictionary not created by humans but given to us by our “Creator?”.
@27122007
“who will be khaleefah?how will u choose khaleefah from common people? or u will just make anyone khaleefah like dictatorship?”
not again!!
this revivalist guy will shower you with some shahab nama size article which no one can possibly go through in this day and age. I asked him the same question some 6 months ago and I never got a bulleted answer but a long long long ^2 article which I would had been reading even until by now if I was that stupid
chanab on March 12th, 2008 11:54 am
“our army is the best army in the world…”
…in thuggary, killing innocents, conquering own territory and loosing own territory, kissing b*tth*les of their imperial masters, developing housing societies, riging elections, destroying institutions, pocketing commissions, …
Oops! posted the above in the wrong topic. Apologies!
“And obey Allah and His Messenger; and fall into no disputes, lest ye lose heart and your power depart; and be patient and persevering: for Allah is with those who patiently persevere. And be not like those who started from their homes insolently and to be seen of men, and to hinder (men) from the path of Allah: for Allah compasseth round about all that they do”. [surah 8 (Al-Anfal), ayat 46-47]
And of course, when we are separated into countries and groups and fighting amongst ourselves, we take each other to be enemies and others outside the community of believer as friends. This is what Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Ta’Ala) warns us against doing in the following ayah:
“Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Messenger, and the
(community of) Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do”. [surah 9 (Al-Tawbah), ayah 16]
Later in the same surah, Allah describes the believers as “protector-friends” of each other :
“The believers, men and women, are protector-friends of each other, enjoining the correct and forbidding the incorrect.” [surah 9 (Al-Tawbah), ayah 71]
As for the Sunnah, Nafi’a reported saying: “‘Umar said to me that he heard the Prophet (Salallahu Alaihi Wasalaam) saying: Whoso takes off his hand from allegiance to Allah (Subhaanahu Wa Ta’Ala) will meet Him (Subhaanahu Wa Ta’Ala) on the Day of Resurrection without having any proof for him, and who so dies whilst there was no bay’ah (allegiance or a pledge) on his neck (to a Khaleefah), he dies a death of jahilliyah.”
This is because the state of the people during the jahiliyah and before Islam was that they were divided with no single leader. They were constantly fighting amongst themselves wasting their effortsand resources. After Islam came, it united them into a single Ummah and a single community of believers with one leader. So whoever chooses not to participate in this new united community has reverted to the state of the pre-Islamic jahiliyah.
The laws written in the Quran are not only personal laws but also the laws of the system. As long as the laws within the quran and sunnah are implemented into the system not only on paper but also practically with accountability I will accept it to be a system of Islam. I cant find one example from history which shows Islamic laws implemented through democracy and by selecting a noble leader.
Dear Hamaradeen: we are all muslims and we love the idea of some muslim confederation. Obviously OIC is an impotent soap box, so someting else is really needed. But really Islam is a very vibrant belief system and people in muslim majority country would love live by their cherished belies and have a government which does not meddle in their affairs and aspirations.
But from whenc can come Khilafah? I mean obviously muslims and arabs of the middle ages were the Americans of today (ok pre world war I yanks) in plurality, liberalism and empirical tradition for variousswathes of times. But nw we have other people who contributed much to humanity. So don’t assume ill faith just because it was done by non muslims. After all the Prophet did ask us to venture forth and learn and acquire knowledge where ever it is found. So unless any system affirms reality it is not going to succeed.
The US constitution required seperation of church and state because they had to deal with a an entire bureacracy called church. We muslims don’t. In essence I find the US constituion, the bill of rights and the ideals embedddin this country’s foundation as very Islamic with ofcourse a different flavor. Really you should check it out.
Because Khilafah as it was practiced by the Ottoman turks was nothin more than just another Holy Roman empire. Ok much much more benign, civilized, tolerant and pluralistic. But it was one nevertheless. Think about ti.
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Islam allow laws to be made by humans as long as it is in the boundary of Islam.
Allah provided us not only with the Quran but also a living example, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). I think the system he created would be according to the will of Allah, and as muslims we should idealize the system he recommended for us.
Muhammad saw was a great man indeed. The book 100 most influential figures ranks him as #1. But he was a man. Let us never forget that. Innocent like other prophets but still a man.
And Islam if, as we say is a religion of nature, then it indeed allows us humans to take much guidance from the Quran to use our human reasoning based on accumulated wisdom and experiences to formulate laws, mores and code of ethics as to how we should govern ourselves. No one disagree with that Hamaradeen. First one to subscribe to that notion would be Jinnah the founder of this republic.
@Tab’an Khamosh
I always enjoyed comments & thought from you about Pakistan politics and I can surely say you have very good eye on current affairs and events. I really like that you talk using solid references and links.
Brother I realize that this is a modern world and time has changed now. But when we say system of Allah ( creator ) . We mean that system that Allah has preferred for humans. Not just for govt., for politics, economic, social affairs for education and for each every aspect of our life that we can think of.
If you are willing to find everything from Quran, this is great thinking but who is the best translator of Quran and its teaching? I would say Prophet Muhammad and I know you will not disagree. if you look at the life of prophet Muhammad you will find this “system” and all other systems I’m talking about. I’ll not stretch this too much but one more thing, this is a good forum to discuss politics and current affairs and of course to share your opinion. but some time it happens that we don’t fully see eye to eye with others , I believe we should show some tolerance and you know what we need to take ownership of our religion , when we say “mullah did this and that and this is not religion of mullahs” but why don’t we take the ownership ? You know my brother why Islam is the most unaltered religion because it has followers who are “fundamentalist” when I say fundamentalist I dont mean usama , mullah umer or any other political mullah ( any one who is responsible bad reputation of the religion ) , I mean true follower who really love their religion and who have given whole their life for the sake of this , its good that you know the meaning of “system” and this meaning is acceptable to me but please do not try to give impression that Quran does not suggest a “system” for us.
About khilafat I do not agree with the @hamaradeen , because this is not the way we achieved it before.
please please do not regard me as your challenger on this forum. I’m a regular visitor of this forum just wanted to respond to your remarks. If you any disagreement I’ll be glad to reply you and sorry if it hurts someone.
Ali Mawiah
@hamaradeen: Dear brother, you seem to be confusing “system” with “outline and general guidance”.
Please back up your claim that you have the knowledge of a political system of governance and that it is in the only known source from A (swt) ie; the Holy Recitation.
Please confirm.
The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History a book by Michael H. Hart who is an American Christian placed his own lord Jesus Christ he placed on number 3 and our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). This is what he says about Muhammad (pbuh)
“My choice of Muhammad to lead the best of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.”
Contribution to humanity of our beloved Prophet (pbuh) is incomparable to any human being in this world. Christianity was brought as a mazhab, islam came as a deen.
@Ali Mawiah: I do appreciate your kind words bro. I am not saying we should find everything from the Quran, but only that it is a guideline and a message. We can live in a modern world, do not be in defiance God and his Prophet (s) and still achieve nationhood with dignity and honor.
If one thinks about it the Prophet & Sahaba were Modern men of action. They were modern for their time. They broke with the past, they were revoutionaries. This is the main difference. It is not that they wore something or had beards cut in a way or were engaged in some daqiyanoosi stuff.. they were modern men of action who behaved in their world in a dynamic and modern way. I can put a lot of fluff around it but this is what it was.
Now the question is that system of governance. We do need a system, but for the water to boil heat has to get to every molecule. You can’t change physical and historical processes by working towards outward manifestations of a process.
Example: A civilization, at its greatest heights exhibits (or may exhibit)) it’s greatness with great architecture, but the converse isn’t true. A decrepit civilization cannot become great by merely building great buildings..
It is the internal transformation of the human that one needs to seek, and everything else will take care of itself. We don’t need to become overtly “Islamic” or grow funny beards or wear the same things they wore 1400 years ago, we need to “FEEL” they way they felt. Act the way they acted in the face of new challenges.
That which they did was not “religion” in the way that we think of it. It was living now we mistake ritual-ization for a way of life. We will not have a just system, even if we call it Khilaafah, if we don’t have educated, open minded human beings with a Muslim substrate. All of the universe is based on a few particles.. All of Islam is based on 2 things. Those are in the Kalimah. That is IT. The rest is just commentary. This is what I believe. Now, don’t take this as me trying to get licese for bidah or fitnah, but for a canvas in which you can recreate your world without insurrecting against God & Prophet. I think this is possible.
C-4 explosive and latest American technology used in the latest so-declared “suicide” attacks in Pakistan
Daily Express report. March 12, 2007 (Urdu). The reports quotes staff from bomb disposal squad making these claims.
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100367757&Date=20080312&Issue=NP_LHE
‘The up-and-coming PPP emperor’: By design or by chance ???
http://dictatorshipwatch.com/Article4368.html
Is it so that we were fed with on deal publicly (Mush-BB deal) and the work was on on another deal (Mush-Zardari and their master’s deal)? There are several reasons which indicate Zardari was considered more appropriate than Benazir. Such as: 1) He is the main figure behind the loot and plunder during benazir’s reign. 2) He is as greedy opportunist as Musharraf. 3) He is as much careless about the future of the nation as Musharraf is. 4) He has criminal instincts which the US warlords can exploit easily. 5) There were criminal charges against him which could be used to blackmail him in favour of Mush and the US agenda.
Other than many such personal traits and weaknesses, there are other indications which makes one suspicious of Zardari’s role and ambitions. All that he said and did after BB’s assassination is not what a normal individual would do in normal circumstances. Not allowing a proper autopsy is one of them. To further confirm this, we will see if he invites a UN investigation which Mush blocked in the first place. To understand the reality, we need to traceback and find about the Mush-US-Zardari behind the scene deals even during the life of Benazir. BB was unacceptable because she knew too much and then she couldn’t keep her mouth shut. See here for example.
See here for example
http://dictatorshipwatch.com/Article3242.html
WTF is zardari doing? If he wants to be PM, he should have come out and said it or at least not publicly & repeatedly deny this. He has engineered this whole drama of delaying the announcement of nominee and now saying every one wants him to be PM so he will respect their wishes. It’s such a lame strategy – everyone can see through it.
@ Revivalist
I think every one here has figured out your modus-operandi already. You don’t need to post obscure rants anymore. Just post with a single dot.
On commenting on any given event, you regurgitate the events, then just present: TADA!!! Khilafah as the best system. I am sorry but you and your kind are the epitome of obscurantism. Politics and political economy are a science, ok? Finance and banking are a science.
You present no arguments why your proposed solution is better than what we have and are trying to perfect: Western democracy and separation of powers.
I seriously suggest you read the following authors: Alexis de Tocqueville on “Democracy in America”, Plato’s “The Republic”, Aristotle’s “Treatise on Government”, Marcus Aurelius on “The Meditations”, John Locke on “Liberty” and Thomas Paine on “The Age of Reason”. There may be a lot better books but these are the ones I have read and they have taken me out of the mental cesspit that you seem to be waddling through.
If you take anything from what I have written, please, pretty please, with sugar on top, atleast read de Tocqueville, Thomas Paine and John Locke. You can get these books in pdf format from the Gutenberg.org website.
To demonstrate your mindset and level of arguments:
-= “What should we do about the Judiciary? =-”
Musharraf…lawyers…Umar (r.a)…KHILAFAHHHH…Aitzaz Ahsan…Islaaaaam…judiciary…
Baatil..taghoot…kufr…KHILAFAAAHHH…!
-= “How should we solve traffic problems? =-”
Camels in 7th century Arabia…left hand drive is evil because left hand is evil…only right hand bridle has barakah…KHILAFAHHH…the camel in the arab’s tent…camel has sunnah validation…cars evil…kufr…baatil…taghoot…KHILAFAAHHH
-= “How do I make Chicken Tikka Masala? =-”
Chicken tikka masalah is Indian…only Dajjaj bil Fa7m is good…but we Khilafah-freaks are very flexible, so here it goes,…kill the chicken with your sword held high, the glint of setting sun bathes your face in a blood-tint while the pure halal desert breeze sways your jallaba…feel the neck of the chicken crunch helplessly under the merciless sword of the unsmiling mujahid…
and then cook it..
and, oh yea,…KHILAFAAAAAHH!!!!
@mbokhari:
hahaha! that was funny bro! I needed that laugh! harharhar!
@mbokhari: I’m going to save your response and cut-n-paste it (if you don’t) from now on in response to these posts… (with credit of course) this is brilliant!
P.S. If you get Revivalist to read Alexis de Tocquevill, I will propose your name (or nom de plume) for a Pulitzer at least!
@ Tab’an
Thanks for doing ur bit on upholding rationality, reason, logic and sanity in the face of obscurantism, muddle-headedness and outright stupidity…God, such people make me mad…
@mbokhari:
To your list I would add Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Muluk by Tabari and History of the Jews by Simon Dubnov.
BTW, we have heard a lot recently about Islam being against copyright etc (and I support that) but I defy you to find a full set of the HIstory of Al-Tabari for less than a thousand dollars. Shame on all these lip-service “Muslim intellectuals” who spend their time cutting pasting stuff from the web-sites but make no efforts to make the Muslim Intellectual Classics available to Muslims on a DVD or for downloads.
The real shame is that most of the volumes of Al-Tabari’s histories have been translated by Jewish and Christian scholars as our Muslim brothers just can’t be bothered with such tedious intellectual work.
So my challenge to Revivalist and hamaradeen: Get me a full text of Al-Tabari’s history in electronic form without charging me an arm and a leg. No wonder no muslim kids even know of these intellectual giants we have in our history.
A tale of two plus one generals:
1. The top general in the world’s most powerful army is sacked and there is NO COUNTER COUP!
2. The top disobedient and incompetent general in the “Islamic” republic is sacked by his legal boss for bad performance. There is a counter coup, the “karaaNchee” corps supports the “son of karaNchee” and he is put in power by force.
3. Rewind 1200 years or so. The most capable, popular and illustrious general (Khalid Bin Walid) is sacked by the political executive of the state of Medina for extravagance etc. The general takes his uniform off without any coup or capture of the local area even though he _could_ do it .. FULLY submits to the will of the political authority!
Now, ask yourself, whose character is more like the character of Khalid bin Walid? The Christian or the Goddamned Munafiq called Mush and our fake “mard-e mujahids” who support every coup against the civilian govt.?
Now you know why the foreigners have their legs up your ar$e as you busy yourselves with impotent “protests” about stupid cartoons that have been published (by your enemies no less) for centuries.. (don’t believe me? read Dante! ..)
P.S. Oh and btw, they’ll probably attack Iran, and what that means is.. no way, now how Mush is going anywhere if Unky sam can help it.. unless of course there is a popular revolution.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2008/03/middle-east-fal.html
I can’t think of a better heading for this news, so I would say:
MOHAJIR ON MOHAJIR VIOLENCE IN KARACHI
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/03/080312_mqm_attack_sen.shtml
Fight between Kh. Asif and Javed hashmi.
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2008/13/index3.php
Let us pray!
“Ya Allah Israel me Martial Law laga….Ya Allah India me PCO lag jaye…Ya Allah US me 8th amendment pass ho!! Ya Allah mussulmano pe rehem kar!
Ya Allah, hear our supplications and make Dick Cheney depose Justices Rehnquist, Sandra Day O’Connor, Alito and others. Ya Allah shower us with your grace and make Gordon Brown shut down BBC, ITV and Sky News.
Ya Allah. may the Americans and Europeans start burning muslim-owned 7-11s because a mullah in Chicha Watni preached that Jesus was not the son of God.
Ya Allah, help the fundamentalist evangelist Christians. May they burn down MIT, Harvard, Berkely, Oxford and Cambridge. Ya Allah, may the “Revivalists” and Hizb-ut-Tahrir of the West start campaigning for the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire and try to overthrow their free press, independent judiciary, subservient military, sovereign parliament and autonomous universities.
Ya Allah raise an army of people in the west equivalent of our Hizb-ut-Tahrir, of our Al Qaeda, of our Sipah Sahaba, so that they may destroy the West from within. As their muslim equivalents are destroying us from within.
And finally:
Ya Allah, give us grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed,
And the courage to change the things that should be changed.
And the wisdom to distinguish the one from the other.
(Amen)
———————-
@Tab’an
p.s. I have always wanted to read Tabari and Ibn Rushd. Tabari was way before the Rational/Devotional split of the Mutazalites and Asharites. Ibn Rushd, Farabi, Kindi belonged to Mutazalites. They were philsophers, mathemeticians and scientists.
The Asharites were Ghazali, ibn Taimiyya and others that eventually caused the intellectual stangation of the muslim world. This was at the time of the Mongol Invasion and the Asharites argued that the Mongol invasion and muslim defeat is a result of muslims studying western sciences and philosophy (sound familiar?) and therefore no more studying Plato, Aristotle, Aristophanes or anything else.
Just focus on the Quran, Sunnah, Tafseer and try to solve the problems of politics, economy, society, traffic congestion, cough, soar throat and heartburn. Result? Decline that never seems to stop and then we have these obscurantists like Al Qaeda and Hizboos that are eager to hasten it. Like vultures poised over a dying man, they want him dead and decomposed so they can pick up the pieces. Ergo, the daily bombings in Pakistan.
But of course you knew all that. I wrote it for the benefit of people who have not looked into this side of our story.
Works of Ibn Rushd
Some Mutazilite Books
I am not good with tagging. The links again, are:
http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ir/
http://www.mutazila.com/ba/ba.htm
A tale of another General:
General Douglas Macarthur who was one of the greatest American Generals that won the WWII. He was a bit too patriotic. The president wanted a ceasefire with China while Macarthur tried to force war. He was fired by the president and Gen. Macarthur accepted this gracefully.
He was a general who WON a great war. Unlike some other tinpot Generalissimos I could mention who have NEVER won any wars.
This was his last speech. I wish some Pakistani General would exhibit such grace and ‘fade away’ instead of occupying the presidency with his rotting corpse and befowling the whole country with the stench of corruption and decay:
“The shadows are lengthening for me. The twilight is here. My days of old have vanished, tone and tint. They have gone glimmering through the dreams of things that were. Their memory is one of wondrous beauty, watered by tears, and coaxed and caressed by the smiles of yesterday. I listen vainly, but with thirsty ears, for the witching melody of faint bugles blowing reveille, of far drums beating the long roll. In my dreams I hear again the crash of guns, the rattle of musketry, the strange, mournful mutter of the battlefield.
But in the evening of my memory, always I come back to West Point. Always there echoes and re-echoes: Duty, Honor, Country. Today marks my final roll call with you, but I want you to know that when I cross the river my last conscious thoughts will be of The Corps, and The Corps, and The Corps. I bid you farewell.”
I am surprised that police didn’t do enough to stop violence against women of Mohajir Quomi Movement (MQM-Haqiqi) by Mutahida Quomi Movement (MQM- Musharraf).
This Mohajir on Mohajir violence is dangerous for the city and country. I hope that this is not a start of another cycle of violence. After all this violence included Murder of a worker, abduction and many other sad incidents.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/03/080312_mqm_attack_sen.shtml
http://jang.com.pk/jang/mar2008-daily/13-03-2008/mulkbharse.htm
@mbokhari: Very Well Said! (and Ameen! for once to a du’a posted on pkplitics)
I have read a bit of tabari’s history and it is absolutely fascinating. The description of the prophet’s death and the way the intrigues went on makes is so human it is not even funny.
The reason the generations “closer” to the period could act in paragmatic (and essentially revolutionary) fashion was that they took these people to be humans like themselves, not some divine being who had jibreel and mika’eel at their beck and call every second to bull-doze every problem.
This is the problem today. We have lost the revolution (that got us the empire), we want the empire, but we’re cargo culting using rituals and hoping the abaabeel are going to land any second. it is sad really.
I have tried getting the Tabari set but can’t find any “islamic” bookstores carrying it. If they do it is in Arabic. I mean really, who needs to translate anything into lesser languages after all… ? sigh!
I totally agree with your indictment of Ghazali and friends! Unfortunately (possibly by some one’s plan) our clocks start the time we were “liberated”. Our education materials especially history has been compromised (in every country) by our foreign herd-masters. Our kids grow up learning stupid illogical bull-shit and we think our troubles started in 47 or whatever …
The trouble started with Ghazali and co. And we’re reaping the rewards to this. It does ring a bell, but you tell people about it and they look back at you with empty stares and you know in the back of your mind that we’re all going to hell in a handbasket if we don’t correct.. but how?
@mbokhari: re: your McArthur quote and it’s eloquence, compare with what our “rotting corpse” of a jurnail said in his second auspicious usurpation of democratic rights:
“inti-aaa pasaNdi inti-aaa ko poNch giii ae!” (phonetically speaking)
Makes one wonder keh, Yeh khoTay sikkay hamaari Qismat maeN hi ki’yooN likhay thay yaa-rab?
Jaanay kis jurm ki paa’ie hai sazaa yaad nahiN. “
@ 27122007
Bro to know who would be the caliph and how would people choose him please refer to this article. Let me make one thing clear to you bro that khilafah is the ruling system in Islam and has its own principles regulations and structure, it is completely different from Democracy, dictatorship or any other ruling system and is better then all with out a doubt. Moreover it is a system which is prescribed by our creator and then implemented by the noble Sahaba (ra) and remained there for centuries.
There is a misunderstanding amongst few brothers here who think that we want to revive Usthmani khilafah or Abasi khilafah and give few examples which they have read in propaganda books. In fact our struggle to revive Islam and the method to revive Islam is khilafah, we want to revive khilafah Rashida.
http://www.khilafah.com/kcom/the-khilafah/issues/the-method-to-appoint-a-khaleefah.html
Regards
@ Tab’an khamosh and all other bro and sis who question the existing of a ruling system in Islam.
Bro You said to hamaradeen that “Can you point out the sections in The Quran which give us “the system given to us by our creator?” so let me refresh your mind once again by giving you some example from Quran and hadith about the system of Islam particularly ruling system. Moreover It is part of our believe that Islam is a complete way of life because Allah (swt) mentions this is his holy Book.
The mechanism through which we live Islam is the Khilafah ruling system. This is the same Khilafah ruling system that the Khulafa Rashideen implemented and the same one which existed right up until 3rd March, 1924, when it was destroyed by the British agent and traitor, Mustafah Kemal. The Prophet (saw) said:
“The knots of Islam will be broken one by one until every one of them is undone. The first to be undone will be the knot of ruling and the last will be the knot of Salah” (Musnad of Imam Ahmed)
THE FARD (OBLIGATION) OF AL-KHILAFAH
In the Glorious Qur’an:
Allah (SWT) says in the translation of the meaning of the Qur’an ul-Kareem (TMQ):
1. “But no, by your Lord, they will not have Eeman until they make you (O Prophet) rule between them in that wich they dispute, and they find in their souls no resistance against your decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction” (TMQ 4:65).
2. “Indeed, we have revealed to you the book with the truth so that you may rule between mankind by that which Allah has shown you” (TMQ 4:105).
3. “So rule between them by that which Allah has revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them in case they seduce you from just some part of that which Allah has revealed to you” (TMQ 4:49).
4. “Whosoever does not rule by that which Allah has revealed, they are disbelievers (Kafiroon)…..the thaalimoon (oppressors)….the fasiqoon (evil doers)”
(TMQ 4. 5:44-47)
These ayaat(versus) of Qur’an, and many others, prove beyond doubt the obligation of ruling by what Allah has revealed. The first one in particular refers to the Muslims directly by stating that we have no real Imaan (belief) until we make them judge between us by Allah’s revelation. This is an indication of the obligation for all Muslims to establish Allah’s ruling system.
In the Ahadeeth of our beloved Prophet (saw):
1: Imam Muslim narrated from Abu Hazim who said:
I was with Abu Hurairah for five years and I heard him narrate from the Prophet (SAW) that he said: “The Prophets used to rule Bani Israel. Whenever a prophet died another prophet succeeded him, but there will be no prophets after me; instead there will be Khulafaa’ (Khalifahs) and they will number many”. They asked: what then do you order us? He said: “fulfil allegiance to them one after the other. Give them their dues. Verily Allah will ask them about what he entrusted them with”.
This Hadeeth is a clear statement of the fact that the form of government in Islam, after the Prophet (SAW) is the Khilafah, and not an Islamic Republic, Islamic Socialist Republic or Islamic Imarah. This understanding is supported by numerous other Hadeeth that indicate the only system of government in Islam is the Khilafah.
2: Imam Muslim narrated from Abdullah bin ‘Umar who said that the Prophet (saw) said,
“One who dies without having bound himself by an oath of allegiance (to a Khalifah) will die the death of one belonging to the days of ignorance (Jahiliyah)”.
3. Ahmed and Ibn abi ‘Asim narrated that the Prophet (saw) said,
“Whosoever dies and he does not have over him an Imaam, he dies the death of Jahilyyah”.
Thus the Prophet (SAW) made it compulsory that every Muslim should have over him an Imaam, which is also represented by having a pledge of allegiance (bayah) on his or her neck. The pledge of allegiance is not given to anyone except the Khalifah. The Ahadeeth inform us that those who run the affairs of Muslims are Khalifahs (some times called Amir ul-Mu’mineen or the Imam). Therefore, this is a command to establish or appoint them.
Finally In the sayings of the Sahabah:
Ali ibn abi Taalib (r.a.) said, “The people will not be straightened except by an Imaam (Khaleefah), whether he is good or bad”.
(Bayhaqi, No. 14286, Kanz ul-ummal)
Abdullah ibn ‘Umar (r.a.) said “The people in the Ummah will not suffer even if they were oppressors and sinful if the rulers were guided and were guiding. But the people in the Ummah will suffer and perish even if they were guided and were guiding if the rulers were oppressors and sinful”.
(Abu Nu’aim narrated in ‘Hulayat Awliyyah.)
‘Umar ibn al-Khattab (r.a.) said,
“Laa Islam bi laa Jamaa’ati wa laa jamaa’ati bi laa Imaarah, wa laa Imaaratu bi laa sam’on wa taa’ah”.
“There is no Islam without a community, and there is no community without a leadership, and there is no authoruty without hearing and obeying”.
In the sayings of the Ulemaa:
Imam al-Qurtubi said in his Tafseer of the verse, “Indeed, man is made upon this earth a Khaleefah” (TMQ 2:30) that:
“Haatheeh il-Aayatu asalun fee nasabi Imaamin wa Khaleefatin, yosma’oo lahu wa yotaa’u li-tajtami’i bihi il-kalimatih, wa tonaffithu bihi ahkaam il-Khaleefah, wa laa khalaafu fee wajoobi thalik bayna al-Ummati wa laa bayn al-a’immah, illa maa rawaya ‘an il-Asam al-Mu’tazzili…”
“This Ayah is a source in the selection of an Imaam, and a Khaleefah, he is listened to and he is obeyed, for the word is united through him, and the Ahkam (laws) of the Khaleefah are implemented through him, and there is no difference regarding the obligation of that between the Ummah, nor between the Imams except what is narrated about al-Asam, the Mu’tazzili (a deviant group)…”.
(Tafseer ul-Qurtubi 264/1.)
Imam al-Qurturbi (rh.a.) also said,
“The Khilafah is the pillar upon which other pillars rest”.
Imam an-Nawawi (rh.a.) said,
“Ijma’oo ‘alaa annahu yajib ‘alal-Muslimeena nasabun Khaleefah”.
“(The scholars) consented that it is an obligation upon the Muslims to select a Khaleefah”.
(Sharhu Sahih Muslim page 205 vol 12)
Imaam al-Ghazali (rh.a.) when writing of the potential consequences of losing the Khilafah said,
“The judges will be suspeneded, the Wilayaat (provinces) will be nullified, … the decrees of those in authority will not be executed and all the people will be on the verge of Haraam”.
(al Iqtisaad fil Itiqaad page 240.)
Ibn Taymiyyah (rh.a.) said,
“Yajib an yo’rafa anna wilayata amr in-naasi min a’thami waajibaat id-Deen, Bal laa qiyaamu li-Deen illa bihaa”.
“It is obligatory to know that the office in charge of commanding over the people (ie: the Khilafah post) is one of the greatest obligations of the Deen. In fact, their is no establishment of the Deen except by it….this is the opinion of the salaf, such as al-Fadl ibn ‘Iyaad, Ahmed ibn Hanbal and others”.
(Siyaasah Shariyyah – chapter: ‘The obligation of adherence to the leadership’.)
Imam abu ul-Hasan al-Mawardi (rh.a.) said,
“‘Aqd ul-Imamati li man yaqoomu bihaa fil-ummati wajib bil-Ijmaa’ “.
“The contract of the Imamah (leadership) for whoever is standing with it, is an obligation by Ijmaa’a (consensus)”.
(al-Ahkam us-Sultaniyyah [Arabic] p 56.)
Imam Ahmed (rh.a.) said:
“Al-Fitnatu Ithaa lam yakun Imaamun Yaqoomu bi amril-Muslimeen”, which means,
“The Fitna (mischief and tribuulations) occurs when there is no Imaam established over the affairs of the people”.
Abu Hafs Umar al-Nasafi (rh.a.) a noted scholar of the 6th century Hijri states;
“The Muslims simply must have an Imam (Khaleefah), who will execute the rules, establish the Hudud (penal system), defend the frontiers, equip the armies, collect Zakah, punish those who rebel (against the state) and those who spy and highwaymen, establish Jum’ah and the two ‘Eids, settle the dispute among the servants (of Allah), accept the testimony of witnesses in matters of legal rights, give in marriage the young and the poor who have no family, and distribute the booty”.
Imam Al-Juzayri, an expert on the Fiqh of the four great schools of thought said regarding the four Imams, “The Imams (scholars of the four schools of thought- Shafi’i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali)- may Allah have mercy on them- agree that the Imamah (Leadership) is an obligation, and that the Muslims must appoint an Imam who would implement the deen’s rites, and give the oppressed justice against the oppressors”.
(“Fiqh ul-Mathahib ul- Arba’a” [the Fiqh of the four schools of thought], volume 5, page 416.)
Imam al-Haythami said,
“A’lamu anna Sahabata- Ridhwaan Allahu ‘alayhim -Ajma’oo ‘ala anna nasab al-Imaamata ba’d inqiraadhi zaman in-Naboowa waajibon bal ja’aloohu ahamu wajibaat hayth ushtaghloo bihi ‘an dafani rasool illah”.
“It is known that the Sahabah (r.a.h) consented that selecting the Imaam after the end of the era of Prophethood was an obligation (Wajib). Indeed they made it (more) important than the (other) obligations whilst they were busy with it over the burial of the Prophet (saw)”.
(al-Haythami in Sawaa’iq ul-haraqah:17.)
I hope these are sufficient example to clarify the point. Even after reading these post if you guys still have any question or queries please feel free to ask any question which is not clear yet.
After this we would discuss Democracy and those who advocate democracy would come up with there arguments to prove it Islamic and to prove it is an effective system and really exist in the world and the system which is we see in the world is not Elitocracy.
Regards
@bechari-awam
This is a matter of life and death for us as it was an issue of life and death for our beloved prophet (Saw) and you are not even ready to read a few pages. Vary ironic. If you are not interested in knowing about khilafah then don’t discuss.
Regards
@Revavilist,
I cannot the reference at this time, but I have read that the word “Khalifah” was not in the Arabic vocabulary or dictionary until 2nd century, therefore I believe our Prophet PBUH could not have said these statements.
Can you refer anything from Quran with the word “Khalifah”?
@Umar khan
Bro to clarify an important point to you is that our struggle is not to bring back Uthmani khilafah or Abasi khilafah and nether this is obligatory upon us rather what is obligatory upon is to re-establish Allah’s Deen in all aspects of our life affairs and the method to do this is khilafah and I have give some detail evidences which prove it with out a doubt that the ruling system in Islam is khilafah.
Secondly we often confuse two things one is Tahzeeb and other is Tamadun or in simple words one is actions and other is things. There is an Islam principle which makes this issue crystal clear for us. Like every action is haram unless you have a evidence which can prove It Halal and every thing is allowed unless there is an evidence which prove it Haram. AS for as the material advancements are concern, these are universal and Islam does not forbid it. So this points needs to be clear that when we say khilafah we don’t say that we will abandon everything invented by the west, it’s absolutely rubbish. Islam is the most modern system in the world and will remain so till the last day.
Unfortunately some of our bro here do not understand Islam or don’t want to understand it. The problem with them is that they take west as reference point and judge Islam according to that, which is absolutely nonsense.
According to Islam every article needs to be derived from the sources defined by Islam and not through majority or some intellectuals would allow doing so for others. So for any constitution to become Islam this is the yardstick.
Regards
@mbokhari
Bro Your post is way below the standard of discussion and shows your utter ignorance about HT, khilafah and Islam, try to do some more research and for that don’t rely on propaganda material and TV channels.
Your pity questions are already answered in my previous post to please do read them and please do try to come up with some rational points next time.
Regards
Aiwan-e-Saddar agree on reinstatement of deposed judges
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=40179
@Revivalist
The four quotes from Quran no where mention the Khalifah business. They also only stress the revelation made in the Quran itself and not the Hadith. Put along that the fact that the Hadith were put together some 150 years later and Bokhari himself rejected more than 99% of the hadith he had collected, I refuse to accept them as “unchallengeable”. Take for example:
Narrated Hudayfh Ibn al-Yaman:
Prophet said: “There will come rulers after me who do not guide to
my guidance and do not practice my Sunnah, and the hearts of some
them are the hearts of Satans but they are in the body of human.”
I said: “What should we do at that time?” Prophet (PBUH) said:
“You should just listen to them and obey those rulers. No matter if
the hurt you and take your wealth, you should follow them and obey
them.”
Here are two more, one right after the other:
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 303:
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Fatima bint Abi Hubaish said to Allah’s Apostle, “O Allah’s Apostle! I do not become clean (from bleeding). Shall I give up my prayers?” Allah’s Apostle replied: “No, because it is from a blood vessel and not the menses. So when the real menses begins give up your prayers and when it (the period) has finished wash the blood off your body (take a bath) and offer your prayers.”
Volume 1, Book 6, Number 304:
Narrated Asma’ bint Abi Bakr:
A woman asked Allah’s Apostle, “O Allah’s Apostle! What should we do, if the blood of menses falls on our clothes?” Allah’s Apostle replied, “If the blood of menses falls on the garment of anyone of you, she must take hold of the blood spot, rub it, and wash it with water and then pray in (with it).”
Now how do you accept both? While first suggests a woman cannot pray during menstruation, the very next one suggests the opposite.
Want one more? How about:
Volume 8, Book 78, Number 634:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said, “(The Prophet) Solomon once said, ‘Tonight I will sleep with ninety women, each of whom will bring forth a (would-be) cavalier who will fight in Allah’s Cause.” On this, his companion said to him, “Say: Allah willing!” But he did not say Allah willing. Solomon then slept with all the women, but none of them became pregnant but one woman who later delivered a half-man. By Him in Whose Hand Muhammad’s soul is, if he (Solomon) had said, ‘Allah willing’ (all his wives would have brought forth boys) and they would have fought in Allah’s Cause as cavaliers. ”
Sex with 90 women in one night? Please! Or was it 60 wives?
Volume 9, Book 93, Number 561:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Prophet Solomon who had sixty wives, once said, “Tonight I will have sexual relation (sleep) with all my wives so that each of them will become pregnant and bring forth (a boy who will grow into) a cavalier and will fight in Allah’s Cause.” So he slept with his wives and none of them (conceived and) delivered (a child) except one who brought a half (body) boy (deformed). Allah’s Prophet said, “If Solomon had said; ‘If Allah Will,’ then each of those women would have delivered a (would-be) cavalier to fight in Allah’s Cause.” (See Hadith No. 74 A, Vol. 4).
Which version should I accept? Well I categorically reject them both. I could go on and on but I won’t. Of course I have no problem with at least one of them:
From the Quran itself:
“– and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims. ” (Quran 16:89)
For me that is sufficient!
@babarsaab
“Aiwan-e-Saddar agree on reinstatement of deposed judges”
If true, it means one whole year of Mush still to go. That s*cks. As part of the deal I an certain an NRO for Mush/Qayyum/Pirzada/PML-Q/MQM & Co. It truly s*cks big time!!!
@revivalist. Problem is I don’t understand as to what you exactly mean by Khilafah really. What is your prototype for it? The first four caliphs? That’s is still not sufficient by today’s standards. And to be dismissive of human intellectual breakthroughs “just because” shows an aversion to empiricism. Maybe it is just semantics. How about referring to a prime minister as the khalifah? lol Will that rock the boat? For sure, we dont want a life long figure head of state once elected unless he/she is like the Queen of England.
Look I do appreciate your civility. You have been consistently more civil than any other participant here. That’s awesome. But it is just the particulars which are confusing.
What do you mean by khilafah? how do khalifahs come into being? what kind of a state would it be? Soviet Union or China like? Like Khomeni’s Iran, or the Taliban? Would private actions be regulated?
Will there be punishment for adultery?
will there be punishment for whacking off to porn?
Will personal choices like hijab be enforced? To what extent?
How deep will the govt. be involved in telling people what to do? Will stem cell research be allowed?
Will there be stoning to death?
How will the state deal with dissenters? will the testimony of women be half of men? What is the text from which the state derives authority? koran and hadith? or just the Koran? Will the sahih hadith be considered infallible?
I don’t think even you are clear on those issues. We are all muslims here, majority of us.
I think that you are stuck up on semantics buddy. You just don’t like English langauge words. Take this:
“Thus the Prophet (SAW) made it compulsory that every Muslim should have over him an Imaam, which is also represented by having a pledge of allegiance (bayah) on his or her neck. The pledge of allegiance is not given to anyone except the Khalifah. The Ahadeeth inform us that those who run the affairs of Muslims are Khalifahs (some times called Amir ul-Mu’mineen or the Imam). Therefore, this is a command to establish or appoint them.”
I don’t see how this quote is different from what Imran Khan wold say for example. SO everyone is mostly saying the same thing. People here are a little scared because of our experiences with totalitarian states that did herald Islamic slogans but did not deliver like Iran for example or Taliban. Not that seculars like Saddam or Qaddafis or Karimovs did any better. But think about it: we are already majority muslims and know that situation in our ummah is precarious, and so do you. So pretty much is on the same boat. Now if you have this aversion to words like “secularists”, or think that what we in Pakistan want fahashi etc. you are wrong. Infact anyone who tried to shove their “progressive moderate enlightenment” down the throat of any people suffered the worst consequences be it Shah of Iran, Najibullah, or is greatly reviled like Musharaf and Ataturk by their own people and counter currents emerge in eiher case.. So, really if to you like the word khilafah because you think it represents liberty, freedom, tradition and progress, then join in the Jihad. Everyone is asking for the same thing.
“I’m the little jew who wrote the bible”
– Leonard Cohen
Revivalist: Yaar tu lambi gallaN karna aeN pa’iee .. choTi sidhi “to the point” gal karo paaji..
Also, please for the love of god stop referring people to articles, you need a draft constitution.. where is the draft constitution for your state? you are going to refer people in the “Khilaafa Courts” to the article on HT website bro? that is not fair to people.
HT people should do this as a constitutional exercise if nothing else.
@nota: good points, I’m assuming the bold parts are the ones rejected? or were the whole of them rejected after the bold part made the fragment unacceptable? A good reminder to all those who, like fundamentalist christians, forget that Islamic scholars gave the science of critical peer review etc to the academic world. This was not a greek science.
@Omar Khan: yaar ham is say yehi poochtay rahay haiN or jab poochtay hai revivalist bhai kuch dinooN ki chuTTi par chalay jaatay haiN lekin seedha jawab naheen detay
@ TAba’n Khamosh
Revivalist doesn’t need any draft constitution. All they need is brutality which they have in abundance.
Any difference of opinion? They will shut you up by quoting some Hadith and if you dare to challenge their views you will be contradicting Hadith!! And thus target of their violence.
@ Omer Khan
Don’t waste your energies on these Mullahs.
~ Marde NadaaN pe Kalaam i Narm o Nazuk Be Asar
That is why I never engage in intellectual discussions with a. Mullahs and b. MQM supporters. Just use small/sharp sentences (like newspaper headlines). They don’t deserve anything more than that!! If they were capable of that, they would be following something sensible (which may be against our views but not as baseless as Mullahcracy and Bhatta Khori).
Here is the DRAFT CONSTITUTION for Khilafah system.
http://www.islamic-truth.co.uk/islamicstore/pdf_files/system.pdf
@geog47: thanks. Finally after 2 months of asking, someone understands my question.
This is a good first step, but seriously, why only “men” ? Women are not good enough to be a khaleefa? though this is not a sticking point. Anyways, moving on.
q. Article 180 – who determines haram ?? what are the check and balances on these religous scholars who do this? (just point to the article no. if it’s already there)
q. What articles in this constitution constitute a system of checks and balances against excess of political appointees (all done by khaleefa it seems)?
q. It would help to have a list of scholars who have worked on this? their histories and their qualifications. Why is this not part of it( plz no long answers on how britain doesn’t do it so do force us to do it either — every constitution has a list of authors. who are authors for this?)
Looks like the Khaleefa (like general tyrant zia) can just declare one day that he had a dream and therefore he is the absolute tyrant? who will stop this “khilafa state’ from turning into soviet union. ??? Keep in mind the size of the state. If you pull this off, this will be the biggest super power the world has ever seen. Do you really think ONE MAN (or WOMAN) without checks and balances can handle that?
And please, HT people, enough with cutting and pasting chapters from Bokhari. You’re not helping anyone (and neither do you impress anyone) by doing that. Just quick answers to questions so we can move the dialog along please?
“not a sticking point” means for the purposes of this discussion. but definitely one if things ever comes to pass (good luck on that btw)
oops I have missed a lot, this is turning out to be a good debate and I am learning a lot out of this.
@geog47
WOW thank u for providing that document. Much appreciated.
@optimist and TK, truth is, I find Revivalist much more amiable than either of . Perhaps I should include myself to the list. He is annoying perhaps because of his lack of finese in what he or she is trying to say, but I respect his behavior. No where has he called for murder or this and that yet people perhaps frustrated by his obtuseness continue to do so. I would only show contempt if he indulged in uncivil name calling, threats, libel, and accusations.
Using terms like mullah or Islmaist or whatever are just tactics to stifle debate and just knock down a straw man.
Truth be told, Mullahs are the least of the sinners in the game called Pakistan or even around the world. Not to mention that bad mullahs or political opppertunist mullahs are hugely dwarfed by good mullahs. They have had some street power but have the least amount of blood on their hands and loot and plunder of the country especially compared with the self proclaimed secularists like MQM or Pak military generals and politicians. I say this to remind people. Just like I remind people that criticism of Pakistan’s system should not translate into Pakistan is the worst place . I keep reiterating that.
Infact, mullahs have held more nationalism that resonates with the people than non mullahs (whatever these terms mean). They bring balance to these corrupt, swindling, hyppocritical, machiavellian governments. Hence the civil society must address the issues which irk the public before things get out of hand, erstwhile the entire nation becomes a mullah whether it is Hamas’ palestine, or Islamic movement of Uzbekistan, Iranian revolution etc..
I have seen quite hostility and mob like behavior from these non mullahs on this website. Infact I had been banned from forums a few years ago for raising voice against Musharaf when the entire nation was sopoforic, foremost of whom were the so called leftists (whom I would never call liberals) (whose prejudice, arrogance and myopia runs deep) who had surrounded Musharraf with festoons and hailed his treacheries as pragmatism. And even rejoiced at lal masjid and Kashmir’s pacification and what not. Same mentality. Only more detached from the public, more devious and venal.
SO please let’s not pontificate here.
I have deep problems with these brethren’s argument of khilafah, because I don’t know what it means and how rational it is. Does not mean I am hostile to them just because.
NA resolution to restore Judges has no legal status: Malik Qayyum
Updated at: 2030 PST, Thursday, March 13, 2008
ISLAMABAD: Attorney General of Pakistan Malik Qayyum said under the constitution the first session of the National Assembly would be convened to take oath from newly elected members and elect the Speaker and Deputy Speaker of the House.
In an exclusive discussion with Geo news at Attorney General’s office on Thursday, Qayyum said the President of Pakistan used to invite the leader of the majority party to form government but after the 8th Amendment, the President, under the constitution, would ask the member to form government, getting majority support in the House.
Responding to a question he said the President has the authority to convene NA session to elect the House leader but no time frame could be given for that. However, he said, if one fourth majority of the members gives requisition, the session can be convened.
Answering another question Qayyum said Judiciary of November 2 could be restored by a single resolution since the Supreme Court had already reviewed its legal status.
He said government had no plans to file reference against any such resolution in the Supreme Court. He said Chief Justice Abdul Hamid Dogar neither wrote any letter to the President under article 190 nor expressed any such intention.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=40233
Pakistan army: Shell fired by US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan kills 2 women and 2 children.
Good job US soldiers. Very effective way to provoc reaction. These families don’t live in the space in isolation. They are part of bigger families. These women and children are not widows and orphans. This is a very successful way to winning hearts and minds for more and more reactionary violence to be called “terrorism” for continuing the war of terror.
Associated Presstitutes are playing their games as well. Pakistani and Chinese media is reporting as least six deaths. But AP reports only 4.
Many people take it lightly. But it is as much horrible for the Pakistani to digest as if it would be for the Americans to see Pakistani forces invade and occupy Canada or mexico after a pre-planned war (or a pre-9/11 planned war, or a pre-flase flage operation war) and then shell the US territory on regular basis, killing women and children for years in a row under the pretext of eliminating a non-existent “al-Qaeda,” whereas its commanders admit that only 10% of the occupied country is under the control of their puppet regime.
Musharaf is conspiracing agianst the mandate of People of Pakistan
Musharaf is conspiracing agianst the mandate of People of Pakistan by delaying the session of National assembly. He is doing this to extend his rule as much as he can. He knows now has no bullet left in his pistol. Either he has to surrender or ………
To prove this that he is delibrately delaying the session let us see the dates. In Pakistan elections held on Feb 18, 2008 . Musharaf already did various pre poll rigging at large and when even then election results come against him he is doing right what he did in the elections of 2002. i.e. He is trying to create Patroits among Palkistan Peoples Party. So after 15 days on Mar 4,2008 Election commission of Pakistan after getting approval from Musharraf announced the Election Result. and then Musharraf got an urgent information that the People of Jacobabad are deprive of water. So he urgently flown to Jacobabad to provide water to the people of Jacobabad. Then he came to know that the city of Multan has not its TV station. So He went there so that people of Multan can have their own PTV centre. Then his seceretary Soomoro informed him Sir jii this newly elected assembly has to swear its oath so should I send you the summary for the session of Parliment. He then realized that ok the newly elected representative have to take the oath. So with his permission his seceretary soomoro send him the summary for requisition of National Assembly. He saw that and then finally he thought he should call the National Assembly session atleast 1 week late(i.e. on 17 March). Why??. The reason is same he is still not getting results in his favours.
Let us see what is happening in our brother muslim country Malayasia. In Malayasia elections held on March 8, 2008. The result comes as a set back to the ruling party and the ruling party of Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi lost their two third majority in the parliment of 222 seats and setteled on 139 seats getting only simple majority. But the most important thing from Pakistan perspective is that the next term prime minister of Malayasia took oath on March 10. Just after two days of election.
Why delay in Pakistan
So why it is in Pakistan that Election is helding on Feb 18 and the new assembly would be going to begin its first session on March 17 i.e. one precious month of this whole nation is being lost due to a selfish person who is unable to see any thing except himself. This person is betryaing Pakistan and people of Pakistan in the name of ” Pakistan comes first”. People of Pakistan should realize that their future is in the continuation of system and the restoration of Judiciary on Pre 3rd Nov 2007 condition. We should not compromise less then that. Any thing comes in the way should be treated iron handedly. We dont want our future generation to hang into the same situations agian and agian created by these stupid and criminal army generals. Keep this thing in my that this is the condition of Now or Never. Just imagin that Europe and USA have settled these issues almost 300 years ago and we are beating about the bush agian again and gain. May Allah save Pakistan form the evil tactics Musharraf and company.
Remote controlled or suicide bombing?
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100368397&Date=20080313&Issue=NP_LHE
You won’t see this kind of write ups in the English press from Pakistan. The reimge controls it more tightly than the Urdu press because it knows what the people know, but it doesn’t want the rest of the world to know the same through the English press.
Surprisingly, it is BBC raising serious questions about the so-labelled “suicide” bombings in Pakistan.
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100368376&Date=20080313&Issue= NP_LHE
Soon after every carnage in Pakistan, the media go into new frenzy of lies lies and deception to label every terrorist bombing as a “suicide” attack without making any further effort to investigate the henious crimes.
For the first time, BBC is raising some serious questions into the latest bombing incident in Lahore. The above link takes us to an Urdu report from Daily Express (March 13, 2008) which gives details of the BBC report, where an unidentified police offices reveals that the FIA office was a top secret location. It was used for investigating terrorist crimes in the country. It was situated behind a servant quarter in Model Town. BBC asks, how does the “terrorists” get infomration about the top secret locations of the security forces.
How do the terrorists know the details and whereabouts of secret places, unless they are told by those who know them but no one suspects them due to their being non Pakistanis. Many American instructors in torture know such whereabouts.
@Revivalist on March 13th, 2008 4:31 am
The Muslim Ummah discharges this responsibility by appointing a representative who will implement, protect and propagate Islam. This representative is the Khaleefah. http://www.khilafah.com/kcom/the-
khilafah/issues/the-method-to-appoint-a-khaleefah.html
what is diff bw khaleefah and PM? y do u care so much about title???? who will make sure that khaleefah is not acting like musharaf?? answer is available on same link u told me it says”Ummah must continue to account the Khaleefah and his government ” do u see what im saying? im saying that even in khilafat it is duty of umah to amke sure that state sffairs r going in right direction ok. (same is in democracy)
i would again ask u same question what is diff bw democracy and khilafat(well i know democracy starts with D adn khilafat starts with K) plzdont send me another link again. try to reply in ur own words.
@geog47: I knew this couldn’t last long. Please stop this BS! stop implying or buying into the “remote control” theory.
If you don’t believe go look at live leak and see how many of Muslims are going to these “ghazwa’s”. These people in their mind are doing the right thing, but either say your support it or say you condemn it, but plz don’t try to weasel out of it by clutching on straws.
I can buy the express premise for the karachi blasts, there is some ambiguity about the shooter vs. bomber in BB murder, but this video is clear as day. There are 2 ppl in the carry and they way he overran the guard, this was not an innocent delivery boy who didn’t know he was carrying a bomb. These were people, and they did it and they were Islamic Extremist TOOLS.
Maybe they were misled by some outfit that sells these fools to the highest bidder in rAW or mossad or whatever, but these were blind followers of “islamic scholars” who are doing it for various reasons.
Your attempts to deflect responsibility from Islamists (who share the goal of Khilafa with you) are transparent and dis-ingenuous. With all due respect. (due).
Pakistani security force miss target, kill 15 civilians
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/southasia/news/article_1395077.php/Pakistani_security_force_miss_target_kill_15_civilians__Roundup
@geog47: plz look at the driver and the guy sitting behind him. Do they look like remote controlled “robots” to you? if they are they look very human. video is half way through the footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxAWR92RZMQ
These Mush lovers are sending people SPAM emails supporting Mush on judiciary issue.
Does anyone know these email addresses (do you know who these people are?)
ahmad.nawaz12@yahoo.com
adnan.malik29@yahoo.com
muddat hui hai yaar ko mehmaaN kiyay h’uay!
http://www.ummatpublication.com/photos942629427/index.php?album=/&image=80311-18.jpg
I just cant stop myself in sharing this following link with you guys. May be you have seen this before but its news to me.
and I ask this question that what is the relationship between Bilal Musharaff and the Pakistani Ambassador who is sitting so obidiently in this picture and are meeting with Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal in this picture for a Business Dealing.
Rumor is in Boston where Bilal Musharaff lives that he has become a millionaire since the illegal coup of 1999….. ?
I think its time when we should start planning for the accountability of the last 8 years… may be a section devoted to these kind of things on pkpolitics… ?
http://bp1.blogger.com/_JtRP5wIdjrs/R9moI9C7PyI/AAAAAAAAAhA/uVvYJ4H4bho/s1600-h/BilalMusharraf.jpg
@Riddle 792
The answer is right in the caption of the pic. Thanks to Mush, Bilal the lowly “Munshi”/Accountant has become a vulture capatilist (ePlanet Ventures and Global Venture Capital…
PML(Q) – The pitiable plight of a party with nothing to say
ISLAMABAD: The PML-Q and other political allies of President Pervez Musharraf are engaged in a waiting game with the hope that the bonhomie between the PML-Nawaz and the PPP would be short-lived and their ‘internal contradictions’ would take over and break them apart.
The PML-Q leaders are very quiet and waiting for their opponents to commit mistakes. “They seem to have no other option but to react to the PPP-PML-N moves. Why should we be proactive now when we want them to form governments and commit mistakes? Then we will react in our own way,” said one PML-Q leader.
Over the past few days, particularly after the Murree Accord between the PML-N and PPP, the PML-Q has been remarkably mum.
@Riddle 792: ohh that is only a few billion dollars of our nation here and there bro, but really, let’s talk about the REAL issue.. like Imran Khan banging some chick or allegedly going to a mujra party… oh oh and what about those horses… oh oh .. I know i Know.. … why they don’t follow article 3 or clause 5 of something neither u nor I give a crap about….
I mean really, let’s talk about who banged who in their personal lives.. whether they shave their pubic hairs or not.. kiski bivi kiskay saath jaa rahi hai.. Why u talking about the poor innocent president (22 grade officer) and his poor innocent son? what he do to you?
YOU’RE NOT MUSLIM! YEH KHILAAFE ISLAM hai.. Progressiveeeeeeeismsmsmsm1!! smack smack smack the woman councillors… “kheltiyaan to larkiyaan bheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeN!!!”
etc. etc.
ePlanet has done deals worth 12B or so. I am curious now, does anyone know how deep ePlanet ventures has roots in the Pakistani establishment? it started in1999 but the founder was a investment banker in Hong Kong before that..
Yaar if we have such smart guys in pakistan, why aren’t they investing in Pakistan and bringing investment to Pakistan? How many ventures in Pakistan did ePlanet support? (My guess is ZERO)
any hoo, here is the blurb on Bilal Musharraf:
http://www.eplanetventures.com/en/team/team_ic_na_musharraf.html
I’m sorry, but Amin Fahim is the real Trojan Horse. He maybe the president, but the chairman can still make someone else president of the caucus and demote Makhdoom Amin Fahim for insubordination . This is against party discipline. If he had a problem, he should have spoken the F**K up when they were nominating Bilawal Zardari was being nominated as chairperson.
Even now, if Bilawal Zardari gives ONE statement that he supports Asif Zardari’s decision, that will be the End of Mr. Fahim . This he can ask Mustapha Khar, Jatoi, and a host of others.
In any case, he is being a douche and he is sabotaging the process now. He is belligerant, in defiance of the party chairperson and openly threatening to side with Musharraf! Which is in contrivance of Party’s democratic policies and cause for termination !
He is the head of the “LAST” pppP group! NOT THIS ONE, Zardari hasn’t nominated the head for this group yet. The party didn’t fight the election under MAF, they did under Zardari and the CEC. They need to wise the f**k up or this one f*ck face wadera is going to f*ck things up for everyone. What I hate even more about him are his supporters, MQM and Musharraf? how can this man be even be in the top 3?
LOL, some pendejos here are loosing their minds! You know it when the keys on the keyboard get jammed.
@Taban,
Amin Fahim can turn the game upside down and make a big hell in entire Pakistani politics.
Amin Fahim has not been only meeting Musharraf frequently, but has also met MQM Governer Sindh Ishrat Ibad.
MQM has big numbers in provincial government in Sindh and defection of just few PPP members along with Amin Faheem and his son towards MQM will assure MQM’s government in Sindh.
Once MQM assume government, they will ban entries of everyone they don’t like in Sindh just like they have been doing in past.
I had this suspicion from many days, but Jang has confirmed this in today’s newspaper:
http://jang.com.pk/jang/mar2008-daily/14-03-2008/main4.htm
MAF hasnt got the b*lls to do anything. if he had ….he had already been the PM. he is playing establishment game and will sink in it with establishment.
Anyway AF is not an issue. Its PPP’s choice whoever they want to nominate as PM. The real issue is restoration of judiciary and of musharraf’s rule.
to the true supporters of judiciary and democracy: please ignore AF issue as it will only distract us from the 2 core issues
@rasheed: I believe that is the thinking but I’d have to agree with rasheed that Mush and his past, present and future share with him traits of cowardice and treachery.
In any case, not only are they cowards, they are also incompetent and lazy. Because they are basing the whole thing on extending the offer to make govt to the head of the majority, but I’f I’m correct, M.A.F ceased to be the head of that majority when the last parliament was dissolved.
Right now, he’s not a head of anything in the parliament because:
(1) he’s not been nominated to that position for this parliament, and
(2) the parliament is not in existence and therefore no such caucus of PPP parlimentarians exists (unless of course PPP & PPPp are two legally distinct entities)
From Article in wikipeda [1] ‘definition’ of caucus in a Commonwealth context :
Ref [1]: Wikipedia: Caucus
Ref [2]: Definr.com : caucus
……”One mistake many of us are making at present is to confuse Musharraf with the establishment. It is Musharraf who is discredited. The establishment remains as powerful as before. The army under Gen Ashfaq Kayani may have taken a step backwards and may be making the right noises but its power, for good or evil, hasn’t diminished and officers of the rank of major general and above have lost none of their contempt for politicians as a class.”…..
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=101160
A direct aim at Gen Kayani by newly elected MNA Ayaz Amir.
Ayaz Mir is no more a journalist now hes a parliamentarian from noon leagues platform so his every word would be considered a part of party’s thinking & policy.
Even before taking oath he has opened another front & started firing on Gen Kayani & his surrogates. He has forgotten that we should resolve the Judiciary issue first & then aim at next target. But he seemz to be too much excited to be a parliamentarian & wanna bring into limelight the new issues way before even digging into the opened ones. Good luck man
The list of blunders has started piling up.
“Zardari could be a candidate for PM from PPP”, Dr. Babar Awan
“We have reservations regarding Makhdoom’s candidacy for PM” Khwaja Asif
“Officers of the rank of major general and above have lost none of their contempt for politicians as a class.” Ayaz Mir
Couple of stories to go along with the one you posted:
@Asif
It is being reported PML(N) is demanding defense ministry. If true, I don’t think military will be too keen on that.
‘Army is the biggest political party in Pakistan’: Mehdi Hasan
Pakistan court quashes final Bhutto husband case
@nota: re: the Army being a political party, unfortunately, I’d have to agree. I have been thinking along these lines as well (but more from an interest group perspective).
It might be worthwhile to just elect representatives from the Army but to even come to the point where you have to say things like these you know you are totally screwed and your Army has no respect for the law or constitution.
Unfortunately the medicine the army needs is the bitter one and only civil war or revolution can give our venerable “officer’s corps” a taste of the reality that they so rightly deserve.
I think Zimbabwe has a point!
Killing sport to spite Mugabe dishonorable
…If morality is indeed the bottom line then England should also boycott Pakistan. There, a vicious dictator presides over a state that employs violence to suppress dissent too. The difference between General Pervez Musharraf and Robert Mugabe is that the former is an ally of the US in the global war on terror….
( By the way, no matter how bad Mugabe is, the imperailist’s are really are trying to kill Zimbabwe for not towing their line…at least that’s the conclusion I have come to.)
Amin Fahim had a meeting with Fazlu,wonder if they are upto something
@nota: Thank you sir for the excellent link: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gcUTN54Cwl_0UHAj5rR42T2vOoUA
Which honorable court acquitted him? We should ask Aitezaz…lol
I see thy grin Mr. Zardari. you’re just two French fries short of a happy meal.
ah, the wheels are turning.
@Tab’an Khamosh
Also do keep in mind that the army is now the biggest feudal class as well. Their agricultural land holding are increasing by the day as more and more land is handed to them for free. Put along that guaranteed water supplies (they get their own canals that are always full of water), uninterrupted electricity, special-rate fertilizers, and paved roads, they are making a killing in agriculture as well.
Some info on the agri-land holdings of the military (link) as per Ayesha Siddiqa.
…Of course this does not mention the additional benifits they get (water, power, etc) but that certainly is the case:
Approximately 12 per cent of the Pakistani state’s total landholding of 93.67 million acres (1 acre = 0.405 hectares) is controlled by the armed forces. While other institutions such as the railways, Ayesha Siddiqa notes, also have significant lands, the armed forces are unique in having the power to put public holdings to private use. Thus, of the armed forces’ 11.58 million acres, 6.8 million acres of rural land is held directly by individuals, retired and serving. Another 35,000 acres have been handed over to subsidiaries controlled by the armed forces, such as the Army Welfare Trust, the Fauji Foundation and the Bahria Foundation.
To peasants, the new masters of the countryside are familiar: the “behaviour of senior military officers towards landless peasants or ordinary soldiers, who are also given agricultural land, is like that of any big feudal landlord”. Indeed, she argues, these land acquisitions have taken place “not just for capital accumulation but also to exhibit the military’s authority and power in relation to other stakeholders such as the landed feudal class and the masses. In fact, the military’s land acquisition, especially agricultural land, has transformed the military into one of the many land barons or feudal landlords.”
Not surprisingly, the emergence of this neo-feudal class has provoked considerable resentment. Much of the land given to the new land barons is in areas from where soldiers are not traditionally recruited, such as Cholistan in south Punjab. For one, the “transfer of land to non-residents creates socio-political tensions with the indigenous population, who accuse the military of `invading’ their land”. More important, it has accentuated resource conflicts. “It is believed,” Ayesha Siddiqa records, “that water for agriculture gets diverted to lands where the senior generals have their properties rather than being provided to Sindh and Baluchistan, which are lower-riparian provinces”…
From Pakistan: the army as the state
Pervez Musharraf himself knows this too. This is why reform of the military conglomerates is unlikely to be high on his agenda so long as he is in power, as the following speech from 2004 (quoted in Military Inc) confirms:
“The [housing] societies everywhere are the top societies of Pakistan. Now why are we jealous of this? Why are we jealous if somebody gets a piece of land, cheap when it was initially, and because of the good work done by the society, the price rises by 100 times and the man, then earns some money. What is the problem? Why are we jealous of this? There’s no problem at all.”
But there is a problem. Pakistanis may have a preference for army-run education or air-force-operated airlines, but they are fed up with feudalism. The last thing they will tolerate is a new feudal class of soldiers. It is a lesson that their military rulers must heed.
One thing that keeps irritating time & again is the kinship of politicians & generals. Nobody brings this on board that which generals & politicians are two sides of the same coin. Its a very complex “elite political culutre” where they protect each others interests all the way whether its dictatorial rule or the democratic one. These “complex political elites” are the real leaches of the poors blood.
Theres a very strong group of politicians & generals, which remains in power always but witha different label each time. They are one whatever is the scneraio of govt. its very hard to crack/ hack them. Atleast what I have seen until now is the same families are in power , every time with a different “label of convenience”.
@admin
it won’t be a bad idea to start a poll for the most probable prime minister. The choices may include Makhdoom Amin Faheem, Ch Mukhtar Ahmad, Makhdom Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Syed Yousaf raza Gillani, and may be Sherry Rehman. May be you have already conducted a poll, but this time it would be more effective.
Regards
Chief justices of all courts meet under Chief Justice SC
Updated at: 2255 PST, Friday, March 14, 2008
ISLAMABAD: Expressing their full confidence on the leadership of the Chief Justice Supreme Court Justice Abdul Hameed DOG, the chief justices of all courts have assured him of their full support.
A meeting of the chief justices of all the high courts of the country including the chief justice of Azad Jammu & Kashmir High Court was held under the chairmanship of the Chief Justice Supreme Court Justice Abdul Hameed DOG.
According to the statement issued from the Supreme Court, the chief justices of all the high courts expressed their full confidence on the able leadership of the Chief Justice Justice Abdul Hameed DOG and assured him of their full support.
In the meeting, challenges facing the judiciary system for providing justice in the country were discussed in detail.
According to the statement, the increasing number of pending cases was termed the biggest issue for the judiciary system.
This has been decided in the meeting that the measures would be taken to process the cases of accused women, prisoners and under-age accused within three months on priority basis.
For this, special sections would be established in the high courts and the sub-courts to appoint and supervise the cases for hearing.
The meeting approved various proposals like construction of new jails specially for women, improvement of jails’ conditions and establishment of a lock-up near the courts complex.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=40381
Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhery rejects monetary, other benefits from govt.
Updated at: 2150 PST, Friday, March 14, 2008
ISLAMABAD: The Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhery has rejected government’s offer of huge sum of money and foreign settlement here on Friday.
According to family sources of the Chief Justice, a high profile representative of government met Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhery at Chief Justice House in Islamabad few hours ago.
The representative said the money would secure the future of CJ’s children and he could be settled in any country of his choice, claimed Justice Iftikhar’s family sources.
The Chief Justice, however, once again turned down the offer.
Shahbaz to contest bye-election from two constituencies
Updated at: 2345 PST, Friday, March 14, 2008
LAHORE: President Pakistan Muslim League (N) Mian Shahbaz Sharif said that he would contest bye-election from two constituencies while he also advised Chaudhry Aitezaz Ahsan to take part in the bye-elections in which he himself would run his (Aitezaz’s) election campaign.
He expressed these views in a joint press conference held after a meeting with Aitezaz Ahsan at his own residence in Lahore.
Paying rich tribute to Chaudhry Aitezaz Ahsan, Mian Shahbaz Sharif offered that he (Aitezaz) would be a joint candidate of the PML (N) and the PPP, and in the way he led the lawyers is a historic event.
Shahbaz Sharif said that he does not accept President Pervez Musharraf as the constitutional president. However, he would sacrifice whatever required for providing justice in the country and consoling the people.
President Supreme Court Bar Chaudhry Aitezaz Ahsan said that controversies are going on in the President House against the Murree Declaration and for averting this, the lawyers movement is working on a strategy.
He said that his participation in the bye-elections would be decided by the Pakistan People’s Party but he would also make consultation with the lawyers.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=40385
@ Revivalist
you said:
‘Moreover copyrights are also forbidden in Islam’
Shame on you.
@Revivalist: If you’re reading this, I’m still waiting for a link to Tabari’s history. Maybe HT should spend it’s energies on preserving Islamic classics online? instead of the propaganda literature?
Just a thought bro.
@ T K
Revivalists masters are jews who don’t want Muslim countries to have what they have (i.e. democracy).
Aitezaz Ahsan won’t participate in bye-election until & unless Judiciary is restored. Everybody knows this. To compaign for AA is no more than a political stunt.
Its time to deliver, the lawyers & people are done, now its political parties turn to come up to the expectations of the people. And the most important thing “don’t diclose your differences publically” as some of the “mature ploticians” has started messing up with their irresponsible statements even today Ayaz Mir took a direct shot at Kayani & his surrogates that can be avoided very easily at the moment. May Allah guide us thru hard times. Amin.
Amin Faheem is meeting Maulana Diesel for making government!!!
Asfand Yaar Wali has refused to meet MAF.
MAF is determined to commit political suicide!!
Fake/PCO Chief Justice had a meeting with all other PCO judges from High Courts.
Inshallah all these conspirators -Lotas and Fake judges – will be defeated with Mush.
@optimist @ Tab’an Khamosh
Prominent scholars like Dr. Israr Ahmad, Taqiuddin Nabhani and movements such as the Khilafah movement were not Propogating propaganda literature, and I find these people words to be more trustworthy and closer to Islam compared to your corrupt political idols which changes from time to time.
Let me tell you, use your words very carfully as you would be questioned on the day of judgement for what you have said in this world. If their was no concept of system in Islam then our Prophet (pbuh) shouldnt have established it.
I think you are probably going to get your senses back once you find your own system cripple in front of your own eyes.
Allah says in the Holy Quran
Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish.” Qur’an 17:81
@hamaradeen:
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maulvi doing topi drama …. wait for it… wait for it
http://vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=10197
@ hamaradeen
That Sura of Quran is about your and Revivalist’s views. Your falsehood lays perished and truth is lawyers’ movement for democracy! Al-humdolilah
A sad piece by Afzal Tauseef:
“Namrood ki Khudaa’ie”
Maulvi doing Drama is really funny. I think this video is about Revivalist and Hamaradeen.
@ TK
thanks for the source. I wish I could copy this link to every link but then I would be violating rules of this website.
http://vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=10197
@27122007
The difference between khaleefa and PM is that Khaleefa is the ruler which Implements the system of khilafah while PM Implements the system of democracy and the difference between the system of democracy and khilafah is that Democracy stands on two main principle
1- sovereignty belongs to the people (parliament)
2-Majority is authority.
While in khilafah,
1-sovereignty belongs to shariah
2-Authority belongs to the people
3- Electing a caliph is obligatory upon every Muslim
4- Adoption of any rule is the exclusive right of the caliph.
These are the bases upon which the ruling system of Islam, khilafah, stands.
As for as accountability in the khilafah state is concern so bro we have a complete book on this issue but I will try to sum it up in short worlds.
In democracy according to FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION you are free to do accountability of the ruler and you are free not to do so, while in Islam it is absolutely mandatory to do accountability of the ruler. In democracy just by having two third majority one can change a whole rule and can introduce a new one even if majority of the people disagree with it .i.e. LFO. While in khilafah for passing any rule or policy a caliph is obliged to have evidence from Islam, so accountability in Islam is easy and strong where caliph can not go for any thing just by labeling it as “National interest”.
Ironically in democracy when a ruler wants to go against the constitution or basic democratic rules they label it “BOLD DECISION”
In khilafah there are 4 layers of accountability.
1-Majlisul Ummah
2-Qazi Mazalim (court especially dealing cases against the rulers)
3- Political parties
4-General Ummah
Regards
@Tab;an Khamosh & Optimist
Why don’t you try and do this, are you out of this Ummah. Bro I will remind you and your friend Optimist a very relevant hadith of our beloved prophet (saw) in which He (saw) said “BURI BAT SA KHAMOSHI BAHTAR HAI”
Regards
@Asif
“One thing that keeps irritating time & again is the kinship of politicians & generals. Nobody brings this on board that which generals & politicians are two sides of the same coin. Its a very complex “elite political culutre” where they protect each others interests all the way whether its dictatorial rule or the democratic one. These “complex political elites” are the real leaches of the poors blood.”
Thanks for bringing that up. But also add to that the kinship between them and top bureaucrats and law enforcement as well. That is why nothing ever changes. I am relating a story below about Khuaja Saad and can someone confirm for me if he really belongs to the “Qubza” group? Has anyone heard of the Haji Rafiq?
Just a couple of days ago I heard the following from my uncles. They were talking about Khawaja Saad Rafique (KSR) and it was news to me to be told that he too belongs to the Qabza group of Lahore. Then one of them related this story: There was some property dispute between KSR and some Haji Rafiq so Haji Rafiq asked my uncle to go along with him to meet the Rangers boss (a general) to see if he can be of help. The general, when told why they were there, burst out laughing and told them that he was with the other party (KSR) and in fact they had just left from there. The kind general then asked them to go see someone who would be able to help. When they went to see that guy, he said he will have to call this other guy over. Sorry I forget the name but my uncle said he is one of the biggest gundas of lahore so they got scared and said “No thanks” and left. To cut the story short, haji Rafiq was later picked up and put in jail and so was his son and some family members. Eventually the matter was “settled” with a payment to KSR of 25 crore rupees. I am told a dejected Haji Rafiq left Pakistan after that and now resides in Dubai.
Mr. Nota
The ayahs of the Quran stipulates that Muslims Must rule amongst themselves according to the Ahkams reveled by Allah (swt) and the method to establish those rules of Islam would come from our beloved prophet (saw) and his noble companions. When we examine there lives we see that they established Islam through establishing khilafah. So Quran, Hadith, Ijma us-sahaba and Qiyas all point to the fact that the ruling system in Islam is khilafah and nothing else.
As for as your claim that Hadith can not be considered as a source shows your utter ignorance about Quran itself. If you want to have a discussion about this topic then come to “discus page” to have this discussion. To know about the exact meaning of a particular hadith you should go and ask a Muhdith who knows this or try to be a Muhadith yourself then these things would become clear for you.
However let me ask you a simple question what is the method of prayers (salah, Nimaz) in the Quran??????
Regards