Come on people let’s start blaming Musharraf. or the ISI or the army…

Our enemies must really be getting pissed, whatever they do, they don’t get any credit.

I am really sad to see that people here in come and talk about to oust Musharraf and other political party leaders to bring CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry but nobody cares about the lives of those people who had been killed in 6 suicide attacks since Feb 18 election. Those people could be the back bone of their families and these hardliners have broken the backbone of those families.

With these attacks, whats happening to Musharraf? He is hiding in his fort.
What is happening to Nawaz Sharif?
What is happening to Asif Ali Zardari?
what is happening to Altaf Hussain?
what is happening to CJ and all these forces of lawyers?

They are all safe and sound. who is being killed is the common human being who has nothing to do with CJ or to oust Musharraf from Presidency or to make Nawaz Sharif or Zardari the premier of Pakistan. Shame on these people who are doing this to their own brothers and shame on the all these political parties who are not able to stop this massacre because of their own interests and shame on government who can’t do anything to save their citizens. This is so frustrating man. I hope someday a non-Pakistani government will be formed and will be able to stop this massacre in Pakistan.

Model Town residence was of Barrister Aijaz Batalwi… i think he was NS lawyer. can anyone confirm? which block in Model Town?

Shame on all these civil rights socieities and lawyer movement and Imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif who are out there to abdicate musharraf but they can’t hold any rally against all these hard liners to stop massacre in Pakistan. Shame on Musharraf and all the people of Pakistan who take out time to discuss politics but don’t condemn this on going massacre in Pakistan. Who is going to take care of all these victims’ families. I wish may Allah will make atleast one member a victim from each lawyers families and each political party leader’s family or Musharraf family so that they will know how painful it is when one’s family member is being a victim of this brutal act (suicide bombing) in Pakistan. Where are all these Mullahs who come to street when a small law is passed in Pakistan and are quiet when the whole nation is being killed. 600 people have been killed since the starting of this year. Who the hell is going to stop this butchery in Pakistan?

i think musharaff and amercain are involved in these activities .
musharaff wants this for his illegal extension . US want to destablize pakistan for its own interest.
go mush go
amercian should stick their ass in america

Wow! All mush lovers don’t miss a chance to try and cover his @ss. Pretty coordinated today, aren’t you?

How ridicolous can Mush lovers be. Don’t you people have a (good) heart?

You people want to cash in on this tragic event. How can anyone do this to innocent people? It can’t be human beings.

I suspect Mush, MQM and PML-Q is to blame for this. We have enemies from outside; Yankees and Indians infiltrating from Afghanistan and furthermore we have our “own” Trojan horses/fifth column to do the damage from inside. This task has been put upon MQM and PML-Q. These are dangerous times. We need to get rid of Mush and lieutenants asap and then deal with the fifth column (PML-Q and MQM).

I don’t believe anyone from the frontier did this.

/Saqib

the one by the Fia building seems like an air strike with 500lbs.
musharaf have already sold all the airports and bases. what a shameful tyrant.

Those who are blaming the so called hardliners for everything should first check with the interior minister of mush regime. He has himself said that it is perceived that indians and americans are behind such acts.

Well Done Saqib… This is done by PML-Q, MQM and Mush… you people are simply Blind & Deaf….

Only because of hatred & Intense animosity for Mush & others… you forget and don’t want to understand someone right thought for the innocent people..

If you have even a little sense of understanding then reread posts of “zeeshan673″ and think again…

“zeeshan673″ your job is done… let the blind & deaf remain the same…

May Allah grant us wisdom to understand the real line of action and lead us that way… Ameen..

@S1916a
Please read my post again. I have not stated that MQM and PML-Q did the horrible act by themselves though I think they unfortunately could go that low. Mush has the “credit” of having the worst of the worst politicians in his fold.

If read you my post a little more carefully, then you will see that I am saying that they (Mush, MQM and PML-Q) are to blame for the tragic events. They have not opened a door for the Yankees, Indians, MQM and PML-Q, but a broad gateway to terrorist acts inside Pakistan. Unfortunately no city is safe any longer due to Musharraf’s incompetent mafia rule.

/Saqib

@s1916
you are talking of wisdom like mush as he often bark like this ,whenever he want to do something illegal or nookri for uncle sam.
amercain senator once called person like him ” they can sell their mother for money”
just retrospect all events for last eight years.

@Saqib.

I read your post again…
But again what was said in the first post of this tread, is being followed the same…

No party has taken any stand (even PML-Q or MQM) just pity on all damn parties..

suspecting & blaming would not bring any fruit my dear.. we must ask our parties to do something practically rather beating about the bush…

Very very shame ful act. Once upon a time Karachi was a beautiful and full of life city, because of henious act and lot of crime, karachi became a lifeless city. and our government could not handle it and solve the problems. Now in Lahore, heart of Punjab, very peaceful city and loads of colour is facing the same crisis like Karachi, and God forbid now Lahore will have same fate like Karachi.>>>>>>>>>>
Who is responsible? why it is happening in Pakistan? Why government dont make any plan? why government dont learn from history? where are the experience people in pakistan who can save Pakistan?
I am really feel sorry for Pakistan, for pakistani people, for us who cannot do anything in front of our so called partrotic government.

God bless Pakistan.

@zeeshan
i dont agree with u. this is all due to the musharraf and his policies.not due to the political parties.

Indians are so cool, whenever a blasts happens there they just blame it on pakistan.

We, all we do is blame it on our current leaders.

Atleast our parties should stand together and must all take a hard stand against these blasts.

mush lovers as usual are the first to come here and cash in on this tragedy. whenever something like this happens, mush lovers start saying “do not blame each other” (by which they mean do not blame mush). ofcourse musharraf is to blame for this. had we ever heard of suicide blasts in the 60 years history of pakistan before musharraf? who let the americans into our country? who put an indian proxy govt in afghanistan? who bombed masjids? who started operations against our people at the behest of our enemies? who killed innocent little girls in a masjid? these latest bombings are the last desperate acts of a besieged desperate general. may Allah rid us of him soon.

@ FarhanG

yes the indian govt always blames pakistan whether pakistan is involved or not. why doesnt the govt of Pakistan ever blame India and america, when they really want to destabilise pakistan? is it because musharraf is involved with them as well?

Its’ pretty clear who’s cashing on who.

@ FarhanG

“Its’ pretty clear who’s cashing on who.”

is that all you could say? how about answering some of the questions that i raised? yeah you got no answers. get lost.

Musharraf, MQM and PML-Q are full of contradictions. They keep on changing the tune. I am just waiting for the day when we get rid of the tyrant Musharraf. Next step will be to ensure that the Generals fulfil their goal (keep them in barracks) and a final count down with PML-Q and MQM. Then we can start building the nation, inshallah.

/Saqib

@traffic

Becaue in india, opposition parties always support the goverment on this, no matter how much they hate them.

Here, all the parties are looking to cash on the blasts for there own instead of uniting. Same problem entire country face, OUR EGO. if we agree on anything with the opposition which does’nt benefit us, IT hurts our STUPID ego

To all those who blame Musharraf for this, please be consistent and courageous enough to blame him for your ignorance as well. And also don’t forget to blame him when my wife whispers in your ears that she is pregnant!!

@ FarhanG

instead of harping about india, how about you answer all of the questions that i raised? here ill put them again.

had we ever heard of suicide blasts in the 60 years history of pakistan before musharraf? who let the americans into our country? who put an indian proxy govt in afghanistan? who bombed masjids? who started operations against our people at the behest of our enemies? who killed innocent little girls in a masjid?

the answer to all of them is one: MUSHARRAF! its easy to blame everything on “terrorists” and present a head of a suicide bomber and story finished. musharraf has turned pakistan into a killing field where people are not safe anymore. and all this for what? for a few billion dollars from america, which goto generals bank accounts? and to save musharrafs illegal seat of power? shame on musharraf and shame on lowlifes like you who support him.

We have MQM guys up early today!!!

Mush/MQM lovers we are getting on this site seem to be Beghairat and Shameless people have no sympathy for the dead and wounded.

India’s most popular person - Mush - is trying to destroy Pakistan. That is his revenge with Altaf Hussain. He is planning for another emergency.

These people support brutal dictators and work as their agents.

Mush is punishing people of Lahore for voting NS.

He is getting ready for an emergency.

Isnhallah he will be finished by Pakistanis. He has no place left in Pakistan.

Pakistan Zindabad

Altaf Lovers are very good at blaming everything on agencies. They killed their party chairman and founder - Tariq Azeem - blamed it on agencies but Altaf doesn’t even take his name. Everything is done by agencies.

How come Altaf lovers are trying to defend Agencies now????

@ Admin

Can you block 2wise for using offensive language @ 11.29? He is using very personal language and his abuse is aimed at mother and sisters.

@Traffic

Answer this, Had in last 60 years we had development like Gawadar ? A port that could change the world politics ? With Chinese Navy allowed to dock there they could pretty much in control of Strait of Hormuz from where more then 13 millions barrel of oil passes each day.

Last 60 years other then the nuclear power, we have’nt did anything that effects the world. Gawadar hurts India and America the most.

The day development started on Gawadar, Mullahs everywhere started poping up with gears much advance then anything available in pakistan. now ofcourse you can argue that GOD Sent all the gear for them to fight Mushraff. If that’s the case, my argument in no way is with you.

@everyone.

I am in no way supporter of MQM or mushraff. But i am not a fan of PPP or PMLN either.

the brave people of lahore will never let the terrorists (or whoever is behind the bombing) win. I know the rest of the Pakistan is behind them in their resolve to beat terrorists and their henious acts

My prayers are for all those innocents who died and those who are injured and their families.

I very much doubt if there could be a Pakistani behind such crime. Its got to be outsiders (RAW/US etc) and we have got into this trouble because of Mush and his policies……all police, army, intelligence agencies, govt depts have been busy trying to save teh rule of Mush and not doing what they are supposed to do. This results in our enemies taking advantage of the situation

GO MUSH GO

according to geo, the agencies had specific information that FIA was going to be targeted. and despite that the security was so low that the supposed bomber was able to get inside the building and blow up there. wow is it just me or is that story too hard to believe? mush and his lovers are the scum of the earth.

@Traffic

Being real mature are we ?

So now geo know’s everything ? So they quote some anonymous guy everytime and people belive that no questions asked.

Btw, if anyone in determined enough do you think its possible that anyone in the world can stop him ?

Traffic
well said….Mush = Scum of the Earth

Mush is responsible for thousands of deaths across Pakistan…just to save his ‘illegal post’

@ FarhanG

when the gwadar port actually comes into being then you can brag about it. and please dont talk about musharraf “hurting indian and american interests”, nobody will buy that. india and america would like nothing more than to make musharraf king for life, their interests are best served with him being in power, our enemires want musharraf in power at all costs, and you talk like he is some great brave leader fighting for pakistans interests and sticking his thumb to india and america. what world are you living in fool?

Who benefited from 9/11? The US

Who benefits from these blasts? Mush Kutta

His shameless supporters should realise that he has done Mega Corruption with Shaukat Aziz.

Politicians are not given time to rule for even 5 years and they give Gawadar, Motorways, Nuclear Bomb, and Missile Technology. Work on Gawadar started in 1991. I went there in 19992 and by that time everything had been planned.

This generals rule for 10 years and give us Dhaka, Siachin and Kargil (Kashmir too). These generals have allotted all the good plots in Gawadar.

Even Turkey blamed Pakistan for global terrorism yesterday. Who benefits MOST? Mush! He says that he will finish terrorism. WHO GAVE HIM THIS MANDATE TO FINISH TERRORISM (Probably India/USA). If terrorism takes 50 years to finish, will he stick to power?

“The person who was sitting on this throne before you
was as sure of being God as you are” (Habib Jalib)

Mush Kutta can’t bloody produce Atta and is going to change world Politics!!! His buddy Shaukat has made enough money from Atta scandel, in addition to Stock Market and his alleged try on Steel Mill. Poor chief Justice is paying for stopping them.

Farhan G
how do you know it was annonymous guy?

Yes it is possible to stop such attacks if instead of savings Mush’s skin:

1) intelligence agencies are doing their job rather than breaking political alliances of opposition
2) army is defending borders rather than doing politics
3) Police is doing their job rather than imprisoning CJP and providing protocol to Ex CM’s son

@traffic

Did i say anywhere that mushraff is better one ?

and am the fool.

and just on one statement i would like to say

“when the gwadar port actually comes into being then you can brag about it.”

So by that statment, you dont’ care how’s it’s made, and don’t give a crap about what problems are faced.

Awsome, my argument is not with you, so feel free to ignore me

@ FarhanG

firstly the gwadar project was not started by mush but by previous govts. mush couldnt complete it in 8 years.

secondly geo has shown newspaper reports which claim that intelligence agencies had this information about threats to FIA. they didnt make it up, and the authorities themselves are claiming that the second bomber got inside the building and blew up. now thats a hard story to believe. and he supposedly had enough bombs on him to destroy the whole six-storey building completely. i dont think a bomber with that much explosives would be able to get inside a chikdrens amusement park, let alone an FIA building which had specific threats to it.

talking about the gwadar project, who slit throats of chinese to discourage china from helping us build it? werent americans behind those? who let the americans into our country? who installed an indian proxy govt in afghanistan that is extremely hostile to Pakistan? was it in pakistans interest or india’s interest? what has pakistan gained by fighting americas war, other than billions of dollars in general’s accounts? not to mention pakistan being turned into the most dangerous country on earth.

I blame mussharraf for bringing us to this juncture, it is his failed policies and the rubberstamp nature of the last “parliament” that created this situation.

Why isn’t this situation in Iran? (okay they’re not helping in the war on terror). Why isn’t this situation in all the adjoining “stans” ?? because the governments there have control over the situation.

Mush government had ONE Purpose: Stay in power at any cost and use all resources.

Our spy agencies, military, police and other organs of state were used to shamelessly interefere in the politics while our enemies ran amok.

SO YEAH, MUSHARRAF IS TO BLAME. Shame on all the mqm supporters using this tragic incident as an excuse to grind their own axes.

Musharraf, Q leaque and MQM (and the f*kers in MMA) should accept their responsibility in bringing Pakistan to the edge of destruction in obedience to their foreign masters.!

Hamid Mir wrote in Daily Jang that Mush is the most popular person in India. He says that Indian journalists were so angry that they cut him off from their live programme when he said that Mush is good for India (because he stopped militancy in Kashmir) but he is acting against interests of Pakistan.

Asma Jehangir was also interrupted by The Hindu newspaper and Indian journalist praised Mush because militancy in Kashmir was at its lowest since 1989. Asma Jehangir said:

‘That is what he has done for other countries. I have to watch the interests and human rights of Pakistanis’

BBC is reporting that the investigation for the NAVAL War College blast was going on and Military Intelligence was present.

The amount of explosive used indicates that it was an inside job. Either that or FIA is so stupid that they can’t stop people dragging in large amounts of explosives. This is going to do wonders in terms of letting miscreants know how vulnerable our law enforcement institutions are.

So who should we blame? Nawaz Sharif and Zardari.. of course.. well, Nawaz is bald so he must be responsible… I don’t see any other logical explanation of this!

F*KING IDIOTS!

Optimist

can you please post the link for HM article?

@ Malek

I will do that in a minute. Jang used to have columnists archive. I am already trying to look for that page.

A Pakistani cannot commit such a crime. It must be external enemies including India and US.

Thousands of inncocent Pakistanies have been killed in the last year because of One person (not a person but a Qutta) ……Our army, police, intelligence, is working on one point agenda of saving Mush from ‘lynching’. This has resulted in our enemies taking advantage of the situation

I used to hope that Mush doesnt die/or get killed because i always wanted him punished (Article 6) but after today i dont care ….sooner he is killed better it is ….

56 kgs of explosives were used. how did a suicide bomber carry such a weight, let alone walk undetected inside one of the most sensitive agencies. what a joke, then mush lovers blame us for putting the blame on musharraf.

@admin

Was just watching a press conference of Javaid Hashmi on GEO and audio was missing on TV. “Shame on Pemra/GEO”. Did anybody else got the full conference of JH, as he was talking against Military Intelligence chief.

on side note

@farhanG: Why don’t you openly say you support MQM Mafia. Hail to the DON

@ Malek

Hamid Mir has written this on more than one occasion. One of them is:

http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/nov2007-daily/01-11-2007/col4.htm

MQM lovers hide behind many things. It is very difficult to defend Murderers/Bhatta Khore etc. They are in ‘closet’.

They just keep repeating things like: ‘I am not MQM supporter but …..’

What INDIANS think of Musharraf:

Musharraf
by rahul malhotra on Nov 20, 2007 02:20 PM | Hide replies

Musharraf is the best guy to lead Pakistan. He is the only leader I have seen in Pakistan who has shown the nerve to first acknowledge that there are jehadis in Pakistan, and also go to the extent of having a crackdown on madrassas, jehadi elements who indulge in terrorism. He may not have been entirely successful, it isn%u2019t possible to whip off terrorism from a country in 5 years where terrorists have thrived for decades. We have seen what Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif did when they were the PMs, both corrupt and backed these terrorists against India. If Bhutto was so concerned about people of Pak, why did she make a deal with Musharaf?? If she wants free n fair elections why isn%u2019t she asking for Nawaz Shariff be allowed to return?? Nawaz himself is no saint either. I guess in a long run, Musharaf is good for Pakistan, as well as India ——————————————————————————–

RE:Musharraf
by Anurag Shrivastava on Nov 20, 2007 04:22 PM
Musharraf is good but not a “maximum dictator”. Pakistan needs someone who takes full measures in running a dictatorship and not forever trying to please others. Emergency is a good measure but a little too late in the day - he should have done this three years back. He did this only because he had no choice and delayed it because he did not want to be seen as a “bad guy”. This image building thing is what is Musharraf’s biggest drawback. ——————–
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Pakistan needs a real secular dictator
by Anurag Shrivastava on Nov 20, 2007 04:17 PM | Hide replies

The problem with Musharraf has been that he has been too liberal with the opposition and has been apologetic about the reforms he at heart wants. A solution to Pakistan can be an absolute dictator who eliminates the role of religion in public life of Pakistan through strong measures implemented by the army. Musharraf does not have what it takes to defeat and eliminate his enemies. The Taliban on one hand is getting stronger by the day and on the other hand corrupt judges and politicians are fighting to get power. —————————————————————————————————–

@everyone

There’’s a list of thousands of sites that are under high alert for attacks, is it possible to protect them completely ?

@econfused

So my words that i don’t support that MQM or any other party you can’t read or choose to ignore ? I don’t give a crap about politics. I don’t give a crap about who’s in power who’s not, what i do care about is justice. And mushraff breaks all the laws, but that doe’snt mean that people like nawaz sharif are saints. I remmeber his party attacking the court.

@Optimist

Yes gawadar was planned by previous goverments. But planning does’nt mean a crap unless your doing something on the ground which is happening right now.

What IDNIANS think of Hamid Mir

Hypocrite
by Common Man on Nov 20, 2007 03:50 PM | Hide replies

Singha asked, Hello Mr. Hamid Do you think Renaissance (evolution from the dark ages similar to what happened in europe 500 years ago) is possible in the islamic world - muslims openly admitting that islam is wrong - providing equal rights to women, minorities and separating the mosque from the government?
Hamid Mir answers, Islam is light.Islam provided equal rights to women and minorities,don’t trust uneducated Mullahs because they are wrong.

See this. It shows their hypocrisy. For the last 50 years these mullahs have been brainwashing them and they didn’t say anything. When they feel themselves insecure, because of the mullahs and the policies of Musharaff, they are going against the mullahs.

And what a hypocrite Hamid Mir is, he call Pakistan a victim of croos border terrosism for the last 40 years. ———————————————————
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RE:Dishonest Answers
by Anurag Shrivastava on Nov 20, 2007 04:19 PM
Hamid Mir lives because he is the propaganda tool of Al Qaeda.period. Ditto with Imran Khan. —————————————————————————

Optimist
thanks

Not only this Mush and his lackeys used the agencies for stoking a low grade “terror” wave so they could show this bogeyman to their european “tranche-masters” to continue their goddamned rule for personal benefit.

The rumour is that this is why these bombers are able to get in to sensitive locations or know where important people are because they are actually double agents and were being used by the very same agencies for low grade terrorist activities so Mush and friends could scare the west into supporting mush’s illegal rule.

parliament session called for 17 March…BBC report

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7289302.stm

And too those that mushraff brough USA in pakistan.

Rewind to Sep 11, do you think it was a multiple choice question when they asked for support ?

Coudl we really have survived economicaly after saying NO ?

There’s 2 sides to the afghanistan border where taleban’s stronghold is. And everyday taleban is getting stronger. On one side is the NATO, other side is Pakistan’s army. Make your guess where they are getting all of there equipment from or is it falling from above ?

Major-General Javed Sultan died couple of hours after reports of cease fire in Waziristan. who killed him ? If your saying mushraff or any other our army person, well then good luck with whatever your trying to do.

Our army no matter how bad or good, is so successful in controling the country because they stick together. Maybe our political parties should learn from that.

FarhanG on March 11th, 2008 1:21 pm

1- you will find my answer relating to protection of thousand of sites above (but you never responded)……

if instead of savings Mush’s skin:
a) intelligence agencies are doing their job (rather than breaking political alliances of opposition)
2) army is defending borders (rather than doing politics)
3) Police is doing their job (rather than imprisoning CJP)

2- if you dont give crap about politics, rulers etc then what are you doing on this site?

3- from work done at Gawadar you mean allocation of land for Army Generals?

@traffic

Because no one carried the 56 KG Bomb into The FIA Building

Did you even read the news ?

“City police chief Malik Mohammed Iqbal said a car packed with explosives was driven into a parking lot and detonated next to the building, which houses a department of the federal police’s anti-terrorism unit.”

@FarhanG

If you don’t give a crap about politics, then what are you doing on this site :). We are also not catholics to make people saints. We are human beings, and will stay that way. As NS attacking Supreme COurt, you are just as ignorant as any Mush supporter. You don’t even know what was the reason, and all those people involved are now in Q-League.

But your propganda mouth would never stop. Your pea brain won’t even know the issue between that Supreme court and NS.

So you don’t SUPPORT any body, so should we bring angels for you?

I dont know if anyonoe have post this observation or not but all this bombings are hapening in rest of the country except Karachi. If this is done by the suicide bombers or extremist, why would they not go to Karachi and attack the pro Musharaf based city? ( Not that I wish to see these kind of act in any place on earth).

Musharaf knows it well, the moment people from Karachi would be disturbed from their sweet life, they will come out on streets and he cannot survived one day in president house, so leave this city alone and destroy the rest of the country.

FarhanG on March 11th, 2008 1:33 pm

Yes we could have survived in a similar manner like we survived after carrying out nuclear tests! But the real issue is how well we managed the process and what did we gain in return? Mush laid down flat infront of US to save his skin. if it was an elected govt we could have stood up and managed the process in the best interests of Pak

you are so right in your last sentence …about army being able to control our country….but their real job is to protect the borders not control its own people.

@Malek

allocation of land for generals.

So your saying that Cheif justice and other judges who have home in the f6 area of islamabad and there children studying in Bahria, and other expensive universities are doing all of that by there hard earned money ?

You do the maths.

@econfused

what’s with getting personal ?

And if i don’t support anyone that’s my right. I can be neutral. Who are you to judge ?

By ur defination, USA after Sep 11 said either your with us or against us was right ?

Farhan
you have only responded to generals land grabbing issue, so i suppose you are convinced with the rest of the points now, and will therefore not raise them again

@Malek

and our politicians jobs is to work for the people instead of going to uncle sam and stopping our army from things like kargil.

Farhan

yes but politicians never got a full tenure to do anything

This is an UTTER FAILURE of the MUSH Regime. He must resign

QUIT MUSHARRAF QUIT!

or

QUIT QUTTA QUIT

@Malek

I am on this site because till some time ago, things like politics did’nt affect my daily life. I still hate it but it affects my daily life, the power cuts for example.

How come no party show there plans for what they are gona to about it instead of just blamming the other party ?

And about our police and army protecting mushraff intrested instead of the country,

Which politicians does’nt use the police for there own jobs ?

And you dont need a intelligence agency to break the PPP, PML-N alliance. Look close enough, it’s broken already, or infact it was’nt a
alliance at all.

Pakistan’s newly-elected parliament will meet for the first time on 17 March, President Pervez Musharraf is quoted by state-run TV as saying.

so Mush has 30 days to resign from 17 March……….or CJP will come and use Article 6!!!!!!!!!

may allah give peace to the souls of the brave FIA agents and Army jawans who were killed because of bad policy of mussahraf (Me First)

@Farhan_G : You have done great job of distracting people from pain and suffering of Pakistani’s to fighting each other… your training in RAW is very helpful to you.

To All MQM supporters: Bhaio, pakistan ka liya kaam karo india tumhen kuch nahi dega.. RAW is using you and Altaf is lying to you..

sic5775 u are right birathar! why no bombings in karachi? because these are being done by agency ppl like Farhan_G who make the bob and come here to make pakistani fight with each other..

Mush biggest cancer for pakistan. must be kicke out now!

@Optimist
India: Musharraf is the best guy to lead Pakistan.
Bush & US: Musharraf is the best guy to lead Pakistan.
Zioinst all over: Musharraf is the best guy to lead Pakistan.
Blair Brown & Co: Musharraf is the best guy to lead Pakistan.
Every other enemy of Pakistan: Musharraf is the best guy to lead Pakistan.

Well I guess Mush must be the best guy for Pakistan

@Malek

I know, and i hope they do get full tenure.

My argument was, Can’t our parties stand together and take a stand against any issue ? Any issue at all where oppositions and the goverment take a stand ?

Other then the food serving on weddings issue, i have never seen them unite on any issue. So does that mean all our goverments dont’ do any good thiings ?

and if that’s true, how come we’ve survied 60 years ?

Farhan

by the way PPP and PMLN alliance is still intact - getting stronger by the day. infact all other real democratic forces like JI, PTI have supported this

so you are saying that its ok for Mush to use intelligence agencies and police for his personal goals because other politicians use it too? so your saint is not a saint then?
the only diff is politicians are elected people and if people dont like them they will be voted out next time while Mush is a dictator and will run away the moment he loses his job

@chooran vali sarkaar

again what’s with getting personal ?

@Farhan,

It would be interesting to know which judge has a personal property in F-6. We know that the newly appointed judges after November 3 were all rewarded by prime land in E-12 in Islamabad by Pervez Musharraf.

For schools, I believe the government pays the fees.

@Malek

so your saint is not a saint then?

Malek, i mean no offence but i’ll repeat it.

[b] MUSHRAFF IS NOT A SAINT[/b]

@ FarhanG

firstly since you dont have any interest in politics you should get the hell out of here. secondly i am sick of hearing this sheikh rasheed answer, we couldnt do anything but help america. Pakistan was already under sanctions because of the nuclear tests, so no addition to our economic worries. secondly pakistan is a nuclear power, we are not some banana republic which has to follow american orders or be bombed to smithereens. i cannot imagine nawaz sharif or even benazir(or even zia for that matter) giving americans our military bases to bomb the hell out of our Muslim brothers next door. a simple NO would have been enough, and we wouldnt be in the mess that we are in today. musharraf has destroyed the country from within.

Farhan

this is what i am saying the parties have taken a stand together on few major issue….and we should support them rather being synical (negative)

we should not forget that these are parties with different / independant manifestos and for them to get together on a few major issue is very positive. beside that it shows the importance of those issues to people of pakistan

@rasheed

U belive ? goverment pays the fee’s for university education ?

All protests the laywers are doing outside the house of chief justice, for once check the address.

@FarhanG: ”Coudl we really have survived economicaly after saying NO ?”

Survived? What is survival?
If we lay down flatly on the ground by letting the Americans kidnap Pakistani citizens, bombing inside Pakistan, interfering in almost every important internal issues, supporting dictators, opposing democratic leaders etc. (the list is very long). If we do things like these then I would say that we are dead, and have not survived.

If we stand tall and make noble compromises, then we have survived our integrity intact, and that is exactly what did NOT happen. We capitulated in almost every department which is characteristic of an independent and proud nation. We did sell anything the Yankees wanted to pay for - even our own citizens without fair trial. Thanks to Musharraf we are a big joke around the globe. People regard Pakistan as a banana republic.

Most people on this website are not so naive that they support anything from the politicians. If had followed previous discussions then you would have realised that many of the discussions are based on principles and sheer politics. Most sensible people have agreed upon that military dictatorship is not the solution for our beloved nation. We want democratically elected leaders, whom we can change in elections if they do not perform. This is process which will take time. In the infant phase we will have many corrupt leaders, but by time people will eliminate (in elections) corrupt/bad politicians. We don’t want any dictator and collaborators to suppress the poor people of Pakistan. We want a political system, where the people of Pakistan are n charge and not some cursed general. We want the military to perform their duty i.e. defend the borders and NEVER interfere in civilian matters!!!!!!!

/Saqib

@Malek

I totally agree with you on that. And that is what i want. Take a stand on big issues that matter, like Dams, Police reforms, and Terrorists.

Stand up say , we have a internal problem, we’ll solve it, instead of showing the world we’r a totally split nation.

Indian’s have this things, they have so many internal problems, but when it comes to outsiders they do unite.

Farhan

b] MUSHRAFF IS NOT A SAINT[/b

ok i take your point…..but this is a democratic process and we must support anyone/someone who has done some good (to whatever lesser extent) and whether you like it or not this time it was NS and AZ who has done it

how can they declare so fast its a suicide. They found the head before the blast! and its unbelievable the crater made by the blast was covered up with debri by officials their. They are removing all the evidence! i havnt seen yet any official statement by our politicians on what happened.

@Farhan,

You mean judges colony which is government property?

Are you comparing that with multi-million personal wealth of army officers?

@Farhan: “…like Dams, Police reforms, and Terrorists…”

Dams like Kalabagh Dam? (that Altaf is dead set against?)
Police Reforms like “Community Policing” Farooq sattar keeps crowing about every 2 hrs?
“Terrorists” like al-kay-da that Altaf Bhayya and Musharraf Bhayya are using to fool the world.. and cement their unholy alliance?

For being a “non political” person, your “priorities” are curiously aligned with a very specific ethno-fascist party.

Farhan

I agree with you as well that politicians should take a stand on big issues ……. but the biggest issue in the country are

1- Restoration of Judges (without justice we cannot survive as a respectable nation)
2- Bringing real democracy by getting rid of dictator - Mush, Qutta League, Bhatta collectors abroad etc
3- Letting democratic process run smoothly and provide support and constructive critisism eg through media

issues like dams, police reforms and terrorisim will themselves be sorted if the above basics are met

@Saqib

You make good points, and i agree with most of them. I am against things like letting other countries interfere with our internal matters.

But you have to be econmonicaly strong before showing the finger to the world. In Sep11 whole world was pretty emotinal, and we’ve probably would have been screwed by saying NO.

Was it a good decision ? HELL NO, but no goverment would have been able to say no at that time.

What happend after that was mess. And even nawaz shariff right now can’t say no to america right now. Would take a lot of time.

Whatever happend was bad, but that wasnt our choice.

@hamaradeen: Are you implying that this was done to hamper the investigations against Naval War College because that was an inside job too?

Brother, if only we had khilaafah like the last decrepit khalifa of turky, we would never lose palestine to the jews… Khilaafaah kia bat hai khilaafa… oh dear sweeet kissy kissy khilaafah!

I love it when Mush supporters talk like total pu$$ies!

@Tab’an Khamosh

Did i mention KalaBagh damn ?

I want any dam, just built them already.

Police. Did i say anythign about what mushraff wants or anyone else.

I want a better police, but that’s only possible when all parties stand together one this issue.

Terrorists.

Did i mention any group in particular ? And if your one of those who belives that the current bombings are done by our own people, then Let me clear it up. We’ll have to learn to disagree on that one. Cause i belive that the current political situation created by mushraff has made it easier for our enemeis to carry out the attacks, but i don’t belive at all that it’s being carried out by our own people

@FarhanG

Look at Italy. If you go a couple decades back you would see the mafia had a big hand in their politics. I believe the mafia still has, but it is not that significant and the Italian nation is developing in the right direction. They have had num,erous elections in the last 50 years (61 elections). They are sticking to democracy in spite of still being behind many other Europeans nations. They have a firm beleief in the democratic system, which made gave them a chance to stand on own legs. They have clashed with the mafia, which has been reduced significantly. That has resulted in more prosperity and that is what a democratic process can bring to nation. This will never be possible in Pakistan if we continue having military dictators interfering in civilian matters. Where do you find a prosperous nation with military at the helm of affairs?

/Saqib

TK

you are wrong …’there are no real Mush supporters’ as such these are infact Indian and US agents or those with mental halth issues

@FarhanG: ” But you have to be econmonicaly strong before showing the finger to the world. In Sep11 whole world was pretty emotinal, and we’ve probably would have been screwed by saying NO”

Did Vietnam have the resources you are mentioning?
Did Cuba have those resources?
Did North Korea have those resources?
Do Venezuela have those resources?

Please understand that certain issues are so important that no nation with a little bit of self respect can bargain upon it.

/Saqib

@Saqib

Pai jaan, Look at my posts, I have’nt said i support mushraff or the army or i am against democracy.

You don’t need to go far as italy, look at india, they have successful democracy. We should follow them too.

I am not in support of militray rule at all. I just said that they are so successful because no matter what they stick together. Our politicians on the other hand, instead of accepting there mistakes just start blamming each other. If they stick together, we never would be in situtation we are currently.

And if they stick together even from now on, and act mature, instead of blaming mushraff or previous goverment for all the problems they will hopefully restore much needed stability in the country.

But what i am against when people will only blame the agencies for breaking the the alliance if it does. If they break , that’s because they were’nt strong enough, because they know the situation they are getting into and it’s as tough as it get’s.

Vietnam was a proxy war between world’s super power.

Venezuela has oil.

North Korea has well nothing, who cares ? and in the end did’nt they suck up to getting aid and stopping there nuclear program.?

Cuba, i don’t know much about so i have no argument.

OH LORD

Today I m asking you for YOUR Mercy on this Nation.
Please help us in getting rid of this President
Allah We are sinful & traitor of your din. Please help us.
We asked YOUR help when we need country that We will make it as An Examplary Islamic State. But we forget it.
Please forgive us & bless us with your Mercy as we all know that YOU are the Most Beneficent & Merciful

We want to get rid of this era of terrorism & this President Busharraf.

Oh Allah Please listen to us……. Please Listen to us.

Brothers our politicians should concentrate on Law & order situation ,avoid useless debate on Musharaf & CJ bcoz poor pakistani’s are being slaughtered in daylight.For God sake dont politicze the situation.

@Saqib: Good points! Bravo 1

@Farhan: Sorry bro, your response is evasive at best, and tacit admission of @Saqib’s argument being not only superior but right on the money. 0-

Also, I don’t think it is our agencies doing it directly, but if you are not going to hold the current one man show responsible (to whom MQM and others have been cravenly prostrating to) then who are you going to hold responsible? These are MUSH failures plain and simple.

At least admit that the government is responsible for the safety of it’s citizens by its policies (not by posting guards on every building - an ‘argument’ you used to execuse Mush of his obligations as the Aamir-e-Mutlaq of this country for as long as TWO US presidential terms). And in civilized nations, the person responsible at least resigns for his abject failure at governing the country (more and more becoming evident as days pass by!)

So, please, if you are a “dard maNd’ pakistani as you claim bro, then don’t lose sight of propriety and fairness. Otherwise your arguments for the sake of arguments to support one constant amongst a sea of variables will only betray you as a cynical supporter of a tyrant. (just my O)

There is NO ONE ELSE to point the finger to, it is MUSH and his cronies who did not have the spine or the moral courage to object to such rule (sadly enough MQM gang included in this ) — Sad to see a promising urban movement go to hell in a handbasket because it is now a cult of personality.