Democracy Day in Pakistan: No Pardon for Musharraf
This essay argues that Pakistan’s Parliament must not pardon Musharraf, openly or secretly. The people of Pakistan want their day in court.

@Amir Khan

Bro I told you and would repeat it again that we are not struggling to bring back Uthmani khilafah rather out struggle is to bring back Islam and its golden period khilafah Rashida. It does not mean that we will reject all material advancement. Please don

@Econfused

You guys can

@Optimist

Thanks but try to understand things. This false judiciary which is the leftover of a British lord will not take you anywhere.

Regards

@nota

LOL, if you don

@Tab

Americans taking control of Pakistani clinics/hospitals

http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100370205&Date=20080316&Issue=NP_LHE

This Urdu reports also confirms from the words of Interior Secretary that the attack in the restaurant where Americans also died was not a suicide attack.

Did Clinton approve Musharraf

Pakistan’s high noon

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/71F4E9CD-FC70-4C10-B36F-BAECCFC06C77.htm

A missile fired from an unidentified location struck a house in Pakistan on Sunday, killing 20 and critically injuring five …

CIA butchers 14 in Pakistan

The latest toll goes to 20. But CNN won`t mention the CIA drone. This is not just terrorism, but the root cause to provoking reacton and retaliation that is then labelled as terrorism to continue the vicious deadly cycle of the war of terror.

Benazir was assassinated in the same metropolice. She did not even get a land ambulance.
There were people injured on March 16 in Islamabad. The area was cordoned off. Yellow tape appeared. Even air ambulance appeared. And in the same city, a while ago people listened to Musharraf:”We do not have yellow tape here”. And neither the road was cordoned off nor the evidence was collected for Benazir. Was it because she was the daughter of the soil? And here you can watch this on CNN.

An air ambulance took the FBI agents to a hospital.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/pakistan/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

An Interesting sketch. NO matter how much the villains in this sketch scheme. The will of the people ANYWHERE is enough. If theres a will ……………

http://cagle.msnbc.com/working/080313/paresh.gif

*WARNING*

GEO is running ticker that FUll COurt Meeting of SC will be held tomorrow at 1:45 p.m. with full media coverage. Along with Malik Qayyum statement that CJ can take administrative action all by himself under article 190.

People let the rumor mill start and guess what court will do.

Personal View: They will bring back judges (WISHFUL THINKING)

@geog47
Why did the coup happen? The answer lies here:

Faced with these protestations, the Washington twins were compelled to do something about their image without changing their ideological commitment to neoliberal globalization. The IMF came up with the novel idea of integrating poverty reduction with its structural adjustment agenda. In September, 1999 it changed the name of its Extended Structural Adjustment Facility (ESAF) to Poverty Reduction Growth Facility (PRGF).

This reformulated lending procedure was ready when a month later the Nawaz Sharif government was swept aside by yet another military coup. The economic managers of the new administration under the leadership of a new finance minister, no stranger to the financial world of Washington, had little problem producing Pakistan’s first comprehensive Poverty Reduction Strategy Paper (PRSP) required to qualify for the PRGF loan. The strategy paper met quick approval of the IMF Executive Board on December 6, 2001, resulting in a new round of concessional lending in tranche.

Also remember Nawaz had challenged Independent Power Producers(IPPs) claiming their the tariff was discriminatory in favour of the Company. That flew in the face of the IMF/neo-liberal agenda.

SC is worried if Parliament stops their funding who is going to pay them

@Revivalist: You are Trolling the new thread again.I will not help you troll by feeding the troll.

@everyone. Please note that Islamists are trying to hijackk the news and views thread again for their propaganda purpose.

@dmin: why can’t you discipline them? please they’re always waiting till the new thread and then start the same BS propaganda again.

My humble opinion is to ignore this attempt. They should use their own website. (which no-one except hizbi’s goes to because it is stupid and boring)

@Revivalist
“saying that hadith is not the source is the biggest blunder and takes a person out from the fold of Islam and by saying this you have cut Islam half.”

I did not know I had such powers! :p

@ Revivalist

Thank you again for your another attempt to insult our judiciary.

@ Admin

Thank you for letting this happen. Having a different view is another thing, but attacking the whole ethos of this website and hijacking discussion means that your website will become less attractive to those whom are your very own audience.

Has anyone noticed that for the last many weeks, news and views sections is nothing but discussion on Taliban-cracy and Khilafah.

I thought we came here to support democracy but instead we see long thread by Mullahs supporting Taliban and homo Mullahs.

I have never seen a Mullah holding a rally against Child sex abuse in Madrassahs. They bomb private schools where these things don’t happen!!

@ Taba’n Khamosh & others

I would urge you not to reply Revivalist. You can do just this: ‘Stop your propaganda’ This will be a good way to disengage and get rid of homo mullahs.

@Optimist
Or maybe we should ask Admin to create a separate thread about Khilafah for those who are interested. The introduction could be something like this:

1.
Should Khilafah be introduced in current circumstances where Mullahs don

Bilal Mush Making money!!! can some one throw some light on this
http://bp2.blogger.com/_8njAPQIoyR4/R9lodZ_2n-I/AAAAAAAAA_Y/QuNWrtV14LI/s1600-h/BilalMusharraf.jpg

@Saqib: There is separate thread in discuss, but because no-one gives any lift to hizbi’s over there, they come barging in here and provoke people.

I will not engage as I said and just tell them to stop trolling and propagandizing. I have not gotten any worthwhile infromation from them on Khilafah Movement anyways. Just insults.

Aitezaz Ahsan conference, and GEO is broadcasting it with MUTED audio. Can anybody get the full audio?

Hats Off to AAJ TV for showing the conference.

@admin, Please see if you can post this conference.

Zalmay “Zalim” Khalilzad in “The Interview” with BBC’s Lyse Doucet :

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/the_interview.shtml

@revavilist,

Admin

@econfiused,

AAJ TV is being recorded. I will try to post it shortly.

Admin

@Tab’an Khamosh @Optimist: will u guys stop moaning about our comments. If you dont agree with it It doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be posted. Stop imposing western ideologies onto a nation which does not support it. Pakistan was made in the name of Islam and Khilafah is the key to all its solutions.

@ Hamaradeen

stop your bullying.

@ busybee

Now we know the reason why Mush has to listen to the Saudis because his son is part of that International Mafia (Sa’ad Hariri, Shaukat Aziz).

Don’t you think we should condemn this BUSINESS dealing and the presence of Pakistani ambassador assisting a private Individual investor (Mush’s son)??

This company was founded in 1999 (same year Mush took in charge of Pakistan’s resources) and his son is running that as a president. Now it is TOP TEN company and has BILLIONS of DOLLARS. Company has offices in New Delhi, Shanghai, Silicon Valley etc

http://www.eplanetventures.com/en/about/about_overview.html

http://bp2.blogger.com/_8njAPQIoyR4/R9lodZ_2n-I/AAAAAAAAA_Y/QuNWrtV14LI/s1600-h/BilalMusharraf.jpg

@haramdeen
why dont you practice khilafa at home? and why dont you go and live in pakistan to ensure you can practice and impose khilafa there?

@haramdeen

why dont you practice khilafa at home?

and why dont you go and live in pakistan to ensure you can practice and impose khilafa there? could it be because the ‘income support’ and ‘benefits’ are not that good there?

ePlanet Ventures (where Bilal Musharraf is President) was founded in 1999 and Mush’s front man Asad Jamal was behind that.

“Conference Spotlight: The World’s Hottest VC
Speaker: Asad Jamal (Founder and Chairman, ePlanet Ventures)
Host: Shahid Khan (Partner, IBB Consulting)
A two part Spotlight session that focuses on the meteoric rise of ePlanet Ventures - the fund behind Skype and Baidu- and its founder Asad Jamal”

HOW CAN MUSH go to California in 2006 on Tax payers’ money and address OPEN FORUM where his son’s company in involved:

http://opensiliconvalley.com/open_forum_2006/conference.html

I think there has been a lot going on. The year this company was founded is suspicious (1999). Now this company is behind Skye etc. His son doing business with Arabs with the help of Pakistani ambassadors. Pakistan’s money being spent on a company which doesn’t have even office in Pakistan (but has in New Delhi). If this company has NO INVESTMENT IN PAKISTAN then how come Pakistani Ambassador was assisting Bilal Musharraf?? In which capacity??

http://bp2.blogger.com/_8njAPQIoyR4/R9lodZ_2n-I/AAAAAAAAA_Y/QuNWrtV14LI/s1600-h/BilalMusharraf.jpg

I think I am unearthing a big Scandal. We need more investigation into this. Pakistani media has ignored this so far!

@ admin

You could take the lead by making a ‘featured article’ on this.

Now I know Why Mush gave Prince Waleed Bin Talal Halal-e-Pakistan, biggest civilian honour! He is paying back Mush’s son.

some of our brothers who keep saying Khilafa is the solution to all our problems fail to understand that the world has moved on since. The new world of computers, aeroplanes, motor cars and so much advanced science and technology has also created its own problems.

Are you suggesting solutions of 1500 years to the modern day problems? Islam is a great religion and we all know we had a great past but unfortunately the poor followers of Islam have been left backward and very poor by their rulers and Amirs with full backing of religious leaders.
We are living in a completely different world for God Sake and we need modern solutions to our unending fast developing problems.

Somnetimes I think these Khilafah people are in fact Mush lovers who take no chance to distract us from present discussion.

While Mush’s Son is running a company that was founded in 1999 and doesn’t even has office in Pakistan (but does have in birthplace of Musharraf - New Delhi). And Pakistani Ambassador is assisting these b*staRds to retire in India!!!

further to Optimists’ comments above

bilal mush is not the president but a vice-president and looking at ePlanet website a bit low on the list in order of seniority…. yet he gets a business meeting with Prince Talal??? there is definetley a scandal as Prince Talal probably wont even meet a head of state who is one of the richest Prince’s (who has made most of his money through businesses rather than inheritance)

also previously it was rumoured that bilal mush is an Actuary and thats how he has made money. apparantley he worked at a firm of actuaries but is not a qualified Actuary! so money has been made some other way

any one in US can look up the home address and registration documents and value of his house?

@ahakimnaz
What we need from the great sohaba is the

True spirit
Honesty
stedfastness
principles
human right
animal welfare
Bravery
honesty

We need to build on these issues and dream about going back.

In many ways our heroes dared to be innovative in normally sleepy invironment where few people would want to live.

/Saqib

@hamaradeen: Stop your offtopic and irrational medieval propaganda!

@Optimist: You got a point dude, why is the Pakistani Ambassador helping him if they have no investments and no incubation of ventures in Pakistan going on?

So much for “not giving benefits to children” claim. Why upgrade their economy (AS IF!) seat when you can get your son’s company advantages worth millions just because he happens to be your son.

Sharm tum ko magar naheeN aati!

unearthing a scandal???????and thinking media will pick it up???what a joke. there has no scandal against any general published in any newspaper as far as i know. not against zia, akhar abdul rehman, fazlehaq and there is a long long list of filthy rich generals. no news paper will ever report it. no agency will ever investigate and no judiciary will ever be able to hear the case……more evident than anything is 12b dollars gobbled up by present coterie of generals in last seven years….what has the media or for that matter anyone been able to do despite the fact that we all know that money has gone in pockets of generals..but it is always good to dream

@Optimist: I believe you are on to something. This should be investigated.

I have mentioned this before & will repeat again about another big financial scandal that revolves around Mush

You can only unearth to those who wants to know. Hopefully we are many on this website who wants to know the truth about different issues. Maybe some hardworking and honest journalist(s) can be inspired to make a research and publish his/her work on the Internet and newspapers if they dare.

/Saqib

These are not the words of any Pakistani leader but by Paterson, who is the state\’s first African-American governor, is also New York\’s first legally blind governor.

\”Of course I never expected to have the honor of serving as governor of New York state, but our constitution demands it. This transition today is an historic message to the world, that we live among the same values that we profess, and that we are government of laws and not individuals,\”

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/17/ny.paterson/index.html

A good article on the scourge of anti-islamic ’suicide bombing’ in Pakistan.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/mar2008-daily/17-03-2008/col3.htm

There is a party that claim to represent 98% poor people of Pakistan.

In fact that ethnic Mafia is closely allied to Generals and Q League feudals. What do you call that? Even the word hypocrisy sounds too nice for that party.

representing 98% poor people????? My foot..

pangay naa lai TK pangay naa lai!

bauti da

@Optimist: yeah they represent 98% of Pakistani’s like Hitler represented 98% of jews.

nuff said!

How true…

And like Bush represents 98% of Muslims And

Israel represents 98% of Palestinians And

like India represents 98% of Kashmiris And

As Musharraf represents 98% of legal community

and and and ……………..

How can we teach lesson to DICTATORS:

To strengthen democracy in Pakistan, our assembly should declare that between 12 Oc 1999 and 2008, all Ministers/Prime Ministers and other prominent Dictator supporters will be deemed as if they never held any office.

For example, picture of Shaukat Aziz should be removed from past prime ministers. Gen Mush (after we get rid of him) should be another one that should be made an example of. Chaudhry Shujaat should also not be considered ex-PM of Pakistan. Ansaar Barni should also be avoided in future.

These people MUST not be invited in any significant ceremony and their name should only be mentioned when it is a necessity (like Muslim take Pig’s name when they have to!) Taking all facilities from these individuals will be a good lesson to future politicians etc.

Don’t forget that these people support dictators for two reason: first to get immediate benefits and SECOND to raise their profile and rate for any future deals. Once they are stripped of their protocols etc, attraction to supporting dictator will decrease greatly.

@Admin
Dear Bro Admin thanks for your kind and polite words I really appreciate your attitude despite of the fact that you were under sever pressure from some of Democratic fundamentalists. However I feel it unreasonable to say that just to keep the senior member happy I should stop carrying the massage of HAQ, if they have any problem they should come up with there arguments, It is as simple as that. Why are they going against there own believed thoughts which permits freedom of expression. I never requested or complained you to stop these people who are propagating anti-Islamic thoughts and ideas. Some of them do not believe in Hadith some of them challenge Sunnah, some of them even doubt Quran, some of them believe that Islam is not complete etc. If I don

@Malek

Bro we are here in Pakistan as well and working here for the restoration of Islamic state and we have openly challenged all secular or socialists to come and discuss with us, we are open to any sort debate or discussion.

Regards

@ahakimnaz

Bro if fact this is a grave misunderstanding with regards to Islam and khilafah that it is now outdated. The point which we need to understand is that Islam came to regulate three types of relations. These relations were same 1400 years ago, exist today and will remain there till the Day of Judgment. 1- Mans relation with Allah (swt), 2- Mans relation with other humans and 3- Mans relation with himself.

As for as other development and advancements are concern Islam explicitly said these are allowed. Islam does not forbid us to excel in the field of science and technology rather Islam obliges us to be the most advance state in the world. More over in Islam we have a mechanism called Ijtihad. We have a book in which we have mentioned some of the issues and have done Ijtihad. Like Cloning, organ transplantation, stem cell research, Test tube babies, some of the economic issues etc

Bro could you please mention those things which you think Islam has no answer for and because of that you draw a conclusion that Islam is not able to solve the problems of the modern world??????

Regards

@Revivalist
“we are open to any sort debate or discussion…”
…should continue “with our minds padlocked, our ears full of lead plugs,our cassette players spewing the same sh*t over and over and over and over …”

@nota

Bro eat some Badam and milk it may help you in making your brain active because you don

@Revivalist
HAQ: Half-brained Asin!ne Quacks

@Revavilist,

Have your read the books of Bukhari etc? What percentage of Bukhari have you read yourself? What other books of Ahadeeth have you read?

Having blind faith in books like Bukhari etc means “Drinking Camel’s urine”, “Sleeping with 10 women in same night”, “punishing people by putting red hot iron in eyes” and so many more things which cannot be allowed in any civilized country.

@Revivalist
What does “Nothing have we omitted from the Book” (Surat Al-Anaam - 06:38) mean to you? Is it only half the truth?

The above tanslation si from Yusuf Ali. Couple others are given below for the picky:
“We have not neglected anything in the Book” - Shakir
“We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees).” PICKTHAL

Guys! guys! Don’t feed the troll! please. @dmin can check if the trolls are having a conversation amongst themselves (same IP talking to itself via multiple ID’s) and ban them.

Honestly, this thread is for news (and views about _that_ news) but some folks think this is a place for free advertising for their cult.

The terror wave

http://dictatorshipwatch.com/Article4446.html

Terrorism is terrorism, whether it is a powerful state killing innocent civilians for political gains or a disorganized group of individuals. As far the talks of sharing intelligence and informing Pakistani agencies is concerned, we could not even think of such mechanism when the same country was occupied by the Soviet Union. Did we ever think of sharing information with the Soviet military forces when they were occupying Afghanistan? Did we put 90,000 of our troops at risk to help Russian occupation forces consolidate their gains in the same country?

Let’s stop this nonsense of helping US and NATO forces in consolidating occupation which is the result of pre-planned war of aggression that had nothing to do with 9/11, Taliban or terrorism.

Bombing Pakistan is not a solution. the solution is ending the war of aggression and occupation of Afghanistan and brining an end to the ambitions of neutralizing Pakistan

Anti-corruption reform

The last supper

http://dictatorshipwatch.com/Article4444.html

Here we have some important points to note:

1. It was not a suicide attack as the media feeds us to believe that every attack is a suicide attack by fanatical Muslims.

2. It was the result of a bomb planted at a restaurant which is mostly used by the elite and foreign dignitaries. So it is out of question that an uneducated person from the tribal areas or some mullah or talib from madrassa would have an open access to go in and freely plant a bomb.

3. Even if we assume that some militant was resourceful enough to go in and plant a bomb there, the next question is of the timing. As the report says, the attack was specifically aimed at security officials, who would know when will the US security officials be there in that restaurant and when to pull the trigger on the planted bomb?

Security officials stay under-cover even in their own countries. They keep their identities secret. How can they and their schedules be so publicly known in a country where they could be the prime targets? How can mad militants be so rich with information about top security personnel in the most high security areas like Islamabad that they would be attacking at will the very same people who are there to help stop terrorist attacks?

The bottom-line, there is much more behind all that we are fed in the media. These false flag attacks are necessary to consolidate a mindset at home that would help in the future full scale war on Pakistan.

GHQ not interested in Nato

A new crisis brewing for General Kayani

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=13625

There are several tricks up the sleeves of the tyrant and his minions. The point to note is that if Kiyani acted on the orders of and puppet supreme court, he will be over-riding the the will of the masses for a handful of illegally appointed judges and a person who has illegally put himself in the seat of Paksitan’s presidency. It will be a moment for Kiyani to choose between the will of the people and a dozen of illegally appointed judges and a self-imposed “president.”

Pakistan court to meet amid looming showdown over judges

http://dictatorshipwatch.com/Article4438.html

In a democracy the affairs are run according to the will of the people, not according to the will of the puppet judges appointed by a tyrant. If the Mush-appointed hand-picked judges “issue an order” to bar the parliament, that would really be a mockery of democracy. How can they silence the representatives of the people? Technically, the parliament is the law-making body and the Wupreme Court makes surethose laws are practiced and implemented. How can a puppet court stand up and ORDER a parliament to do or not to do anything? A desperate tyrant and his hand picked judges could do anything when they see the writing on the wall. However, both have to leave with utter disgrace sooner than later.

If the tyrant-appointed, puppet court issues an order to stop the parliament from restoring the pre-Nov 3, 2007 Court, it would mean, it considers will of the millions of Pakistanis protesting and demanding restoration of the deposed judges as meaningless.

Thank You all for ignoring fundamentalist Mullahs’ comments. Less attention we give them the better.

Mush favoured these Mullahs, gave them seats, made them an issue and now they have made life hell in Pakistan. Best thing is to ignore them.

We cannot go to a Church and say things against Christ OR go to a Mosque and claim free speech and start criticizing Islam. You cannot go to Human Rights Website and say that you want to fight AGAINST human rights.

This website was created for Democracy for the people of Pakistan. If someone wants to speak against the very basis of this website, for them there are suitable websites and places like Hyde Park. Supporters of this website should at least agree with Democracy.

I think Admin should create another rule

You agree that you will NOT do the following:

- Advocate to deprive people of Pakistan basic right of a vote.

Ansar Burney says Indian set for gallows should have life sentence instead

ISLAMABAD: Caretaker Minister for Human Rights, Ansar Burney Tuesday said President Pervez Musharraf should halt the execution of a convicted Indian terrorist and let him live out his days in jail.

India’s government is seeking a reprieve for Sarabjit Singh, jailed in Pakistan in 1990 for alleged spying and involvement in bomb blasts. He is scheduled to be hanged on April 1.

Ansar Burney said he expected to receive an appeal for clemency from Singh’s family this week. He said he would urge President Musharraf to convert Singh’s sentence to life imprisonment.

THIS DOG SHOULD BE EXPORTED TO INDIA………………..

Pakistani spy chief suspected by Bhutto to quit

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSISL11547420080318

Such a resignation owas on the cards anyway. The most important question is: Would Ejaz Shah be allowed to leave Pakistan? And secondly, will the new government call for some impartial investigation? Zardari was accusing Mush for not allowing UN investigations. If was not part of the crime, let’s see what does he do now.

10 YEARS FOR A RAPIST MULLAH who was raping at Sehri Time.

He was not alone, 7 other Mullahs gave false evidence to support their ‘Muslim brother’ and said he was preaching at that time.

‘He claimed a substance he took to help with fasting during Ramadan had made him

And

‘Eleven charges of possessing photographs of child abuse are not being proceeded with at present.’

There is terrorism in many countries, they don’t Recite their Holy books before killing.

There are many rapists in the world, they don’t take refuge behind Ramadan…

With Mullahs like this, who needs Denmark newspapers and Dutch film makers to defame Islam.

Now Imagine this guy as the “Caliph” and these 7 brothers as the “guiding counsil”…

Okay, maybe I’m being unfair here, but seriously, this is why checks and balances matter. And you know, if this thing had happened in Pakistan. No one would have believed the poor woman.

What a joke. This is why I don’t go to mosques.. they are full of these riyaa kaar a$$holes who think they can lecture others just because they haven’t been caught yet.

And the right wing rags are having a field day with this..

@geog47 on March 18th, 2008 4:37 pm
“Ansar Burney says Indian set for gallows should have life sentence instead”

He also said killing Sarabjit Singh would be killing human rights. But just yesterday this d@g Burney was calling Sarabit a terrorist and that he deserved his sentence.

And look at this dramay-baz: last night he RESIGNED, just a day before he was to be loosing his ministry anyways. I am sure he would claim it is in “protest” of human rights abuses and will try to milk it as “I even gave up my ministry for the cause”. (Story about his resignation was in The Nation but has since been pulled; It still shows up in Google News Search. I tend to believe the story as that is just how I expect a khanzeer to act) .

I just want people to keep in mind that this p!g covered up the news of Khalid Mehmoods death by torture for over two weeks just so he could hog the cameras at Wagah:

The jubilant Ansar Burney knew at that time that the innocent Khalid Mehmood had been tortured and killed in Indian prison when he was overwhelmingly helping Indian spy Kashmir Singh cross over Wagah Border last week.
All this he was doing amid a worst situation of human rights in Pakistan where Hero of the Nation, Dr Abdul Qadir Khan and Chief Justice of Pakistan, Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry are locked inside their houses along with their families.

@Tab’an Khamosh
“This is why I don

‘Bern does not need US permission’
Swiss Foreign Minister Micheline Calmy-Rey says her country does not need Washington’s permission to advance its strategic interests.

“Switzerland is an independent country that has its own strategic interests to defend,” Calmy-Rey said after the signing of a multibillion-dollar gas deal.

She shrugged off US criticism of her trip to Iran, in which she met the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

@ Taba’an Khamosh

This reminds me of a Mullah in Pakistan. He used to sexually torture his wife and enjoyed that (most of them are psychos anyway). This Mullah was affiliated with JUI. His wife took her female neighbour in confidence and told her about her plight. Her neighbour couldn’t hide that and she discussed that with her husband. This guy shamed Mullah and told him that it was not fair and he shouldn’t torture his wife while having sex.

Mullah got mad. He took electric rod. Shoved that into his poor wife’s sensitive parts. This burnt her ovaries and she was disfigured for life. When the news got out, Benazir Bhutto sent her for plastic surgery and Mullah was arrested in 1996. When Mush came into power, regional head of JUI gave 5 Lakh rupees as Zamaanat and got Mullah out.

He only got three years for destroying whole life of a young woman. And even that justice is very unusual in Pakistan. This provided BB with publicity. I am surprised that Mullahs protect their ‘muslim’ brothers when they do anything wrong.

According to GEO, ARY, AAJ:

Blast Noise heard in Gulberg Lahore……

According to GEO: Ahmad Mukhatar walked out of PPP parlimentary meeting. Hamid Mir discussing this point with his guests. Its running as breaking news on GEO.

According to AAJ: Ahmad Mukhar himself came on AAJ live and has clarified that he did not walk out from the meeting and Amin Fahim is my elder brother and I just went out for tea.

LOL

GEO TV still running that there was a Blast noise in Lahore. Whereas AAJ tv has shown that “according to Lahore police no blast noise was heard”

In one day twice AAJ beat GEO TV. I see a pattern by GEO in showing irresponsible journalism.

GEO is a sensationalist channel and cannot be trusted. AAJ TV has left GEO far behind.

According to GEO ticker:

Amin Faheem did not write “Brother of Benazir” in the register on March 17 even after when it was decided by PPP and every 1 else wrote this.

I am surprised to see that GEO is going this low in creating misunderstandings among Pakistan People.

I personally respect Amin Fahim but would like to see any 1 else as PM for Pakistan.

Speaking of sensationalism, here’s the rag Daily Times:
Bilawal to announce PM candidate

yes GEO now running ticker that Bilawal’s arrival is expected in Karachi and special scurity arrangements at the airport.

ARY and AAJ are also reporting Bilawal has arrived in karachi, what else can he be here for, if not to settle the PM dispute.

Sarabjit

if its was not for Hamid Mir (considering Dr S Masood is away) i would have stopped watching Geo.

its not just sensationalism and false stories only but the amount of time given to Karachi’s MQM Nazim on daily basis (for minor items like opening a blocked drain!) with full video coverage…..needless to mention the ugly horrific voice of Chief Bhutta Collector stationed in London played on Geo more regularly than he speaks!

Aitzaz, Qayyum lock horns on Geo

News Desk
ISLAMABAD: Supreme Court Bar Association President Aitzaz Ahsan and Attorney General Malik Qayyum will lock horns in a live Geo constitutional debate at 4:05 pm Wednesday (today) over the question whether Parliament can restore judges. And whether there will be a clash between the presidency and parliament? The debate will continue until the debaters talk themselves out in Capital Talk programme to be conducted by Hamid Mir.

@nota, Optimist , Taba

Looks like Aitizaz Hussain is present in Capital Talk Munazra, But Malik Qauyum has not arrived yet…..even after 30 mins…….

@ Riddle

Yeah, and the next headline shoulh be, malik qayyum dies in car accident, n aitzaz wins the debate…

uhh, pohanch gaya beghairat…

He has a sore throat

It is wate of time AG is BONGA

Any one of you, would you please tell me, who will call the next NA session. The new “Madam Speaker”? If yes, would she annouce specifically that next session will elect the house of the leader?

Bilawal’s arrival is not a surprise, as this news came about 2 weeks ago and the purpose is not to settle the issue, rather to announce the name of the candidate so
chances of objection (or after effects of any such objection) cud be minimised

The president is supposed to call the nextt NA session if he does not call it then 1/4th of NA members are needed to call a session.

i think it is very unfair of AA to call up a debate with AG? AA should have picked up someone of his stature for debate! this will be like a heavy weight fighting a lightweight!

if AA couldnt fight an appropriate person in Mush’s camp then it should have been AA against AG Pirharmzada Mush Quttoori many others…..still AA will win by a margin!

Can anyone please update how is the debate going?

@hamaradeen:

vaa’iz na tum pi’yo nah kisi ko pilaa sako
kiya baat hai tumhaari sharaab-e tuhoor ki

go vaaN naheeN peh vaaN kay nikaalay hu’ay to haiN
ka’abay say in butoN ko bhi nisbat hai door ki

@Optimist: I remember that incident! You are absoultely right, this shows the flaws in this so called religious “education”..

hamaradeen is right, these people are illiterate and ignorant and he is right (for once) to admit that. And the reason it is so is because regular (Secu-demon-lar-demon) edu-demon erm.. edumacation is not available.

So, we need to educate these kids and have a proper education system (at least 10% of GDP).

I would suggest that this money be taken from the Army budget because once we have an educated population, they will be able to figure out cheaper and better defence methods..

As opposed to this armored tractor sh!t that our ordinance factories keep pumping out.. I mean really.. this is the kind of stuff guerillas in the jungle come up with.. not the “ordinance factories” of a supposedly established nation.. It is pitiful… and then they have that stupid “Mashshaaq” for the last 30 years.. 14 year olds in the west have been bulding better kit-planes.

So yeah.. it’s the education.. but don’t ask hmm.hmmm.hmmmm cuz their solution to every thing is hmm.hmmmmmhmmmm..afa …

@TK
Another factor is that people don’t feel any prestige in being educated in deen, because these Mullahs have destroyed their image throughout history. That is why the young kids who are admitted to these religious schools often are not the most sharp “knives” around. This combined intolerant Mullahs has created a divide between ordinary people and Mullahs. People are afraid of asking questions out of fear for being stigmatized and put in the box as “munqar”, “Qafir” etc.

/Saqib

What people think:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=20083\19\story_19-3-2008_pg1_9

Gallup survey:

A survey released by Gallup Pakistan on Tuesday showed that 88 percent of Pakistanis supported the coalition of the Pakistan People

Iqbal also said:

Din e Mullah fi sabeelilah fasad

What Iqbal said:

Din-e-Kafir: fikr o tadbeer o jihad
Din e Mullah: fi sabeelilah fasad

@ hamaradeen

I understand your point. Most of people like you say this is not fault of Islam. I didn’t say that either. It is fault of Mullahs. But these are not individual crimes. There is a systemtic abuse of Children, Paedophilia, torture of women, rape and a lot more going on.

I will keep you informed. In the beginning most of my friends say what you are saying but after a few arguments, they have started to agree with me. I will keep telling you what is happening but I don’t want to say everything in one day. If Mullahs can tell us everyday that they need Gangster Mullah as Khilifah, I will keep on telling you how dangerous these Mullahs are!!

Since 1851, ordinary muslims have fallen into a trap and resultantly degrade ISLAM and hardliners . Have a look what we say:

1. We call a blind person as ” Hafiz sahib”

2. If a beggar boy comes at door step wearing a cap,, we label him” Madrase Wala”

3. Beared is linked with terrorist.

4. Ignorant people are called Mullah and Molvi

Above ar few examples. We are using sacred Islamic labels to look down upon persons engaged in Islamic activites.

False Flag in the making?

The canadian ice hockey team is in Afghanistan. The conservative government, having encountered resistance in Parliament (yeah that’s where civilized nations make their foreign and military decisions and jurnails obey! — like you know .. khalid bin walid used to do in our glory days?)

Anyhoo, I getting paranoid about this, because even though their defence minister was there on a secret visit, they have been advertising the arrival of the Canadian All Stars and the Stanley cup all over the world.. They are also advertising a game that is to happen tomorrow in Qandhar between the Canadian team and the soldiers.

I have been wondering why they would do something so careless? and then I thought maybe they are NOT being careless? maybe they want to use the heroes of canadian sports (think Pakistani Cricket team after winning sharjah etc cup) to be attacked by the Taliban and then use this as pretext to pressurize Pakistan, foment hatred against Muslims in general and support for war in Canada.??

The team is already there and the game is on in 1 day. Stay tuned.

It is wreckless and one should protest this.

These are old Jewish tactics which I have heard since the time of our Prophet (pbuh). Divide and rule method. Create fitna within muslims. Distribute them into small small factions, and their media plays a major role in fueling these ideas. Namaz mai hath uper nahi nechai bandhna hai, Hamari beard ziyada lambi hai , we are bigger and better muslims. Their will always be difference of opinion and we should use it positively and take it as a advantage for ourselves. I think to combat these issues we need to look at some points:

1. Every Gali ya Masjid ka Mullah shouldnt have the right to give his or her “fatwa” or opinion, and we shouldn’t blindly follow it.

2.Instead we should look at alim-e-deen who has knowledge of Quran and sunnah and the modern world knowledge. I think an alim -e- deens opinion is worth much more than a person who rote learn Quran without even understanding the translation.

3. We should stop promoting peer fakiri in our culture. Stop supporting “baba” and molvi sahab tu yeh kehtain hain. Its our duty to understand our deen as well.
Our beloved Prophet (pbuh) said:

To acquire knowledge is binding upon all Muslims, whether male or female.

The ink of the scholar is more holy than the blood of the martyr.

He who travels in the search of knowledge, to him God shows the way of Paradise.

How Mullahs should reply to criticism by Secularists:

Jews asked us not to study. That is why I am not studying.

Jews asked me not to work. That is why Majority of Muslims from Pakistan and Bangladesh in this country are on benefits.

Jews asked us to earn Haram and eat Halal. That is why I lie, earn money from credit card fraud, evade tax on my cash in hand earning and EAT ONLY HALAL CHICKEN with my HARAM money.

Jews asked me to sexually abuse children. That is why it is very common in Madrassahs and it doesn’t happen in ordinary schools.

Jews asked me not to learn. That is why Muslim countries have the lowest education ratio in the world.

Jews asked me not to do research that is why less than one per cent of scientific research comes from ALL Muslim countries combined (according to ex president Ghulam