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Congratulation to Ms Fahmida Mirza for speaker of the National Asembly. I am proud of all the women of Pakistan. Pakistani Awam have proved to the world that all women enjoy autonomy and great respect in our society and they are equal partners with men in day to day buisiness, including politics. I am sure the whole world is going to take a note of it.
With this action, Pakistan is gradually inching towards full democracy, and the dictatorship is on the run. Dictatorship is going to be part of the history and shall be wriiten in the history books. I will further recomend that these books about dictators, criminals, thugs, looters, Maphia and gabza group should be a part of our education curriculum and should be taught in high schools.
Mr Mush is not a president of Pakistan, he is ilegitimate,De’facto, self proclaimed president supposedly elected by the outgoing and trucated parliament, and under the nose of the gun. So Mr Nusrat, please don’t call him president, even sarcastically. Mr Mush is disgarce toPreidency of Pakistan.
just wondering when dr shahid will be back. it looks its been kept out by someone in government.
I was delighted and proud of my country too! it was so cool! congratulations and best of luck to her. She deserves this honour, and she will be a great Speaker.
We are all proud to have her as a speaker.
I am very happy to see Faisal Kundi as deputy speaker. He was one year my junior in London as a law student. He was a very normal guy and look at his achievement!! Good luck to her.
and good luck to both Speaker and Deputy speaker.
good luck ,
If anybody is watching “Aaj Kamran Khan Kay Sath” – [Sorry, that I watch it]
but Kamran was interpreting it as a contradiction between Sherry’s and Ayaz Ameer
Congrats to both!
and I desperately need Dr. Shahid’s dose, I’m feeling sick now! WHEN WILL HE BE ON AIR
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Habib Jalib’s poems need to be shown on all TV channels. It will create good atmosphere for exit of Dictatorship. It will also be true picture of what is going to happen in coming days.
JAB TAAJ UCHALAY JAIN GAY is one such wonderful poem.
Iqbal Bano sang it well.
@yaqub2005: I really like that rendition by Iqbal Bano. Here is a link to it through my blog:
Hum daekhaeN gay.
Good program.
People want that MUSH must leave immediately. If he doesn’t then he should be ready for some examplry treatment at the hands of Parliment and people.
I will ask the media to prepare the people to defend their Parliment and Ensure that no one is able to use 58-2b. If any one dares to use it then people should use their raw force to expel him from Army house. Army and police should not come to the rescue of MUSH as he himself want to go to get that punishment. Gen Kiani can then occupy the well deserved Army house. After that MUSH should be tried under Article 6 by Justice Iftikhar.
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Well, not to wet blanket anything but to me whats delightful was that the national assembly chose a speaker with such vast majority. That the speaker happens to be a woman is a side fact but trumpeting about it is not my idea of gender equality. I was surprised at Dr Fahmida herself when she said that BB wanted women parliamentarians to be promoted etc. I mean what? Speaking like this implies that women are to be given preference even if they don’t fall fit to the criteria. This should not be the case. Making an atmosphere where women can progress is one thing but propagating them just because one wants to check a box called gender balance on the show list of progress is not right. So I hope we focus more on the fact that Dr Fahmida has been elected with a vast majority as a speaker. That she happens to be a woman is something new and an add on.
@Aneeza: to bootstrap a process you have to do certain things like give a bit of slack to the disadvantaged etc. Once we get to the point where women are liberated enough, then yeah I agree we shouldn’t concentrate so much on the gender. Right now, it is more cosmetic and too much mention of it takes away from the real public service work she’s done (man or woman).
Right now, the 17% women in the parliament is better than nothing (gotta give it to mushie even though he did for optics more than anything else). Now we have to fight to make sure that the parties implement internal democracy and give tickets to regular middle/lower-middle class women rather than the relatives of members or party leaders. I would even suggest we ban women from the households or close relatives of those who have won seats.
This might be a way to force parties to give tickets to women “further away” from the blood/feudal lines and therefore ‘en-franchise’ women of various sectors. Hopefully we can have democratic party structures where we don’t have to have royal ascension ceremonies but democratic processes to groom leaders in a party based on merit instead.
Shame on US….so called muslims….Why are we so happy? First ever woman Speaker…(Waoooo). Women are not allowed to mix with men. She would be out whole day talking to men in Assembly. Whoever thinks its’ ok …he/she should go back and learn about Islam first. We are a Islamic Republic …we have to follow Islamic rules…otherwise we won’t have Allah’s blessings…and might have Zardari as our PM (God help us)
Nusrat Javed is so proud that we have a woman Speaker but I dont understand why? what is it gonna change anything in Pakistan? 6 months old baby gal I think was berried alive
would it not happen again or is it gonna change anything anything even a tiny bit about women’s conditions in Pakistan. Dont we all know that there are some areas in Pakistan in rural Punjab and Sindh where hundered of families are kept as slaves and those rich land lords rape them and what not. I am not sure it is gonna change anything but if you guys think that I can only pray…The only thing I see is that now we can say “We have a woman Speaker now and did not I tell you we are liberal Pakistanis”…
@eric cartman
You won’t be happy even if an angel is speaker, you will sure find something against it. Electing a woman speaker is a symbolic messages, and I am sure you got the message.
@psius1
Do you know why its called democracy and NOT theocracy? So you want 50% of our country population inside the house. You won’t send your sisters/daughters to school. You can keep your Islam with you, while rest of us can keep our Islam with us.
I sort of agree with Eric. Why do we have make such a big deal of everything ‘women’. We should focus on the ‘qualification’ for the post..be it men, women, gay, crossdresser.
Wow..Pakistan has the first women PM, now Pakistan has the fist women Speaker, we have women pilots (God forbid if we ever have to use them other than media stunts) . .hoo haaaa. Lets have women Generals.. lets make Hadiqa Kiyani..our PM..lets make Veena Malik our Foriegn Minister..yahoo..that will give the world the message we are enlightened moderates..then all of a sudden all our problems will be solved…utopia..
Alright, would list the qualifications for a speaker. Was she not qualified?
These kind of messages are required when your “ILLEGAL” president goes in to Brussels and tel the world that Pakistani are terrorist and not human beings. Pakistanis are not moderate and not ready for human rights and democracy.
If the message got to @eric and @rasheed, I am positive that all the right recipients got it
Mr confused..
You certainly are confused. Please ready my message again before commenting on it.
Did I say she is not qualified? No. What I said is (translation) : We should celebrate that we have a ‘qualified’ speaker who happens to be a women. Not the other way around.
And anytime someone disagrees with you, only thing you can think of is label him Mush supporter…that’s really rich.
“what is it gonna change anything in Pakistan? 6 months old baby gal I think was berried alive would it not happen again or is it gonna change anything anything even a tiny bit about women’s conditions in Pakistan. Dont we all know that there are some areas in Pakistan in rural Punjab and Sindh where hundered of families are kept as slaves and those rich land lords rape them and what not. I am not sure it is gonna change anything but if you guys think that I can only pray”
@ Eric and Rasheed,
If we burry 6 month old babies than countries like US have 6 year old girls invlove in child pornography, 16 year old girls are invlove in prostitution, so what are you going to say on these issues?
The fact of matter, you had no problem when a idiot Amir Hussain was speaker for almost 6 year and now we have a respectful and decent women, who happened to be the first Muslim speaker in any Muslim country, you are bringing all the irrelevent stuff for the sake of an argument. This prove that we Pakistanis deserve to be in this condition because of people like you, who has a gutter mentality and trying to spread the same garbage to others.
Aaaaahhh here we have a Mr psius1, the self proclaimed interpreter, saviour of Islam!
@ psius1
Do you happen to know that Wahabism is not the only interpretation of Islam? ” Women are not allowed to mix with men” . Puhlease give me a break! Your very statement smells of deep rooted chauvinism. You chose to say ” women are not supposed to mix with men” and not “men are not supposed to mix with women” . Even the construction of your sentence indicates how very deprived you have been of a broader perspective of life. So she would mix with men and be out of her home all day? Does a speaker have to stay all day at the National Assembly every day, I didn’t know that. Cauz that is the only way she would be out ” all day” . And mixing with men. This is what I find amusing. Considering even the most conservative thoughts, where is mixing not allowed? What is the concept of hijab for then (for both men and women) if not to serve as a code of conduct during gender mixing? And you say WE should go and study Islam! I think, on the contrary, you should. Islam is not synonymous with Arab culture (particularly Arab culture of today). The Islam that I know of is where women attended namaz in masajid (which by the way was hub of political activity), argued with the prophet, were surgeons (treating male patients! e.g. Hazrat Asma), were successful business women making more money than their husbands (e.g. Hazrat Khadeeja), were respected for their worldly wisdom (Hazrat Umme Salma), were the source of fiqha (Hazrt Aisha: most of the ahadees are related by her).
So, my friend, arguing for hijab (for both men and women) is one thing but following the mentality of ” women should not leave home” is another. Why don’t you elevate the mental status of your society to the extent that every male (or female for that matter) does not need a dribble bib at the mere sight of the opposite gender? Why don’t you promote the concept of hijab, restraint etc rather than shutting women up like cattle?
And I haven’t yet talked about Dr Fahmida. So if she happens to be a woman and has the capability of being the Speaker what is so unIslamic about it? Is she khudanakhwasta doing something immoral? Is she acting in a film (for example, if I take that to be wrong!), dancing, singing? What is she doing so wrong that you felt the need to be so ” ashamed” ? Just the fact that she has one chromosome different from you? Grow up please. Islam is much much more than that. Don’t degrade it by applying cultural standards to it, I beg you.
At the end, I strongly recommend you to read books by Fatima Mernissi (a Moroccon sociologist and an Islamic scholar), Struggling to Surrender by Jeffrey Lang (an American professor and a convert to Islam) and Road to Mecca (and other books) by Mohammad Asad (previously an Austrian Jew). You would pleasantly discover that Islam when seen from fresh eyes which are not raised in cultural prejudices is so very different than what we have reduced it to. And after that please read a no. of tafaseer of Quran by different scholars from Abdullah Yusuf Ali to Maudoodi and you will then find the essense of the message and only then you would realize how wrong it is to give such sweeping statements about Islam.
I propose that Nusrat Javed and Mushtaq Minhas do a program while wearing a shuttlecock Burqa!
Just for fun!
@ Taban Kamosh
I would do it the other way round
Let me give you an example to elaborate my point. The company that I work for at the moment is an Oil and Gas giant – a typical male domain. Technical staff is, of course, the prime mover for the organisation. We have a Diversity and Inclusivity department formed in the recent past. Why? Because a need was felt that for a multi national company having ethnic, gender and cultural diversity is a big strength. Each type of individual brings with him/ her a whole background of different ideas/ approach etc. which is vital for progress. Regarding wome, you know that traditionally less women follow careers in engineering and sciences. So what did they do? They carried out survey in the company. They discovered that whereas many women are studying sciences and also entering the company, not many are staying. The no of women grows less in middle management and lesser in higher management. The reasons: women are traditionally home makers, they bear and rear children, take care of older members of family etc. So when these responsibilities start appearing in their lives they leave. On the part of the organization it is a very bad bargain. Just because they cannot meet changed demands of an individual, they lose a valuable experienced individual. One way to remedy it is to bring about a change in society and make men more involved but that poses problems. Firstly, a company cannot do that at the level of the society and secondly there would still be things that a woman WANTS to do (vs HAS to do)like having children, raising them, caring for them (more than the male parent). So they set a target. They said by year blah blah we want 30% women in our middle management. Now what to do? They could not compromise on experience and quality of individual for the position (like we do by the quote system in our assembly). What else could they do? They started producing conducive conditions for women to work. The increased maternity leave to 4 months, they introduced part time work option, they introduced working from home option and interestingly the latter two they introduced for both genders. Result? They are about to achieve the target while not compromising on the quality of the workers. In countries like Pakistan, for example, where there is more cultural requirement to be physically close to the children they have even introduced day cares in the office. The moms can peep in at their children, can have lunch with them etc. Here in Europe, since culturally it is not a necessity, so this has not been introduced.
The bottom line is that THIS is how you promote gender participation by solving the problems that necessitate women’s absence from action. By fixing a mere quota will only bring Kashmala Tariq’s or relatives of male politicians.
@Aneeza
Arguing with the Burqa Brigade on the basis of logic and common sense is like fighting an unarmed man. Its just not fair.
Ditto on your reference to Leopold Weiss/Muhammad Assad. I have forever been fascinated by this guy. Born a Jew in Poland, he served in the Foriegn Ministry of Pakistan, advised Saudi Arabia and died in Spain (I think) while writing a Tafseer.
Another famous Jewish convert, Kurban Said, aka Lev Nussimbaum wrote a bewitching novel “Ali & Nino” about the conflict between Islam and Orthodox Christianity. A great read.
Books are anathema to these religious robots. (Unless of course if they are quoting from halal websites) Books just don’t have truthiness
_______Stephen Colbert on “Truthiness”
@Aneeza: dribble bib for opposite gender? Our “religious community” needs a dribble bib upon the appearance of members of the same gender most of the times..
I’m just saying…
Hi.
Can anybody (or Admin) guide where we can watch videos of recent Aitzaz/Kurd (after release) protests or press conferences…?
@aneeza: in response to your post re: women in workplace, I couldn’t agree more. Just one thing though, I think in our case we need to make people comfortable with even the concept of a woman being in a position of power and I think that it has a psychological impact on the members of assemblies..
first they will be used to seeing women (albeit relatives of big-whigs) and then we have to make an effort at the grass roots level to maintain that percentage of women in the assembly but force the parties to be more democratic and set a quota to send 33 or 66 percent women from the women workers.
I think having women in the assemblies has a positive effect on the thinking and mindset of the assemblies and I would like to maintain that number (artificially initially) until the seedling takes root.
BTW, even in north america and canada they are running into the same problems with women representation in the houses of parliament/congress. And they are actually looking at ways similar to ours to make sure more women are represented and that public service is not at odds with other obligations a woman has.
I would be the first one to say and do say that by default, women should be allowed full membership of our society but we are so far behind .. so many battles to fight. education, health, equality.. even women perpetuate this thinking to their next generations (and that ties back to education) … and then some moron nitwit representative of the military-bureaucratic complex barges into the PM house one night at 2:00am, gun in hand, and reboots the whole process for Uncle Sam or whomever.
What I would like to see is not a hapless prime minister, but people with guns on the other side too. Give the Triple Shit brigade a run for their money this time they try to interpret the constitution again by abducting our elected PM’s on gunpoint.
Dear mBokhari. That was a very apt reply to psus1. Personally I think that was just a random troll. But surely you would agree that summum bokmum ummyun (deaf, dumb and blind) does not only apply o religious bards alone. It applies to many part time religious, military, political personnels too. And that can be extended to the most advanced and westernized countries in he world aswell.
I do not agree that all religiously inclined folk (powerless as they are even with Bushhrraf’s patronage) are like that. In the US and many western countires most of these beardos are engaged in constructive work. It is because of them that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West. Most mullahs I have met in the US, I find some fundamentally challenging disagreements with them. Yet they are some of the best folks I have met. Even in Pakistan I refuse to believe that most beardos are bad or jaded. But again, to be consistent, it is the characteristic of Pakistani society to trvael down the washout lane of contemptuous abeyance with fingers stuck in teach ear and a chant of nyah nyah nyah nyah. I feel it is good to put things into perspective. It is perhaps because of lack of balance that I don’t quite rasp the disproportionate contempt for beardos.
It is a multifarious thing.
Dr Shahid
thanks for link of Mr. shortcut
i am shocked to see this person caliber
God what kind of PM we had.
i guess most comments are from pakistanis living abroad…women crime was never a problem in the class to which dr fehmida belongs….this is the so called elite class and women enjoy most rights in this class…..it is the poor class women who are facing the most and bearing the worst…this is not to belittle Dr Fehmida…just to correct the impression that there is not much to be “proud” of……it is strange that when one woman (usually from elite class) tops the css exam or comes to a good position it makes us “proud”…..well there is nothing wrong with being proud but one should look at the bigger picture…deprived women who deserve most of the attention of the people
OOH Women elected as a speaker.
Will THis solve all our problems or probably problems related to women rights.
HAH )
neh-indeed !! it wont have a bit of a difference.
MARK my words every optimistic person out there…..
This parliment will NOT be able to solve any grass root problems of the country….((( seaa-see istakhara )))
this parliment is doomed to fail.
@econfused
Not my fault that you did not understand and regarding symbols George Carlin once said that “Leave the symbols to the symbol-minded.”.
I never said that she is not qualified I am just saying that it is not going to change anything and if you think that women of Pakistan will have a better life after this then I can just pray for you and if you want to be happy we have a woman Speaker then go ahead celebrate it, go party buy some drinks and invite your friends and tell them we have resolved all the problems of women of Pakistan or it is a huge step towards solving problems women face everyday in our country.
@sic5770
you are even more confused then Mr. econfused. You want to know what do I say about minor kids involved in prostitution and porn, I say “As you sow so shall you reap”. And I have no idea who gave you this idea that I have no problem with Ameer hussain. I think he was biased all the way and part of Mush Bush ragime. All I am saying that there is this big hoohaa going on that we have a woman Speaker is not going to change anything. I mean Benazir was our first women PM yeah and what did it change for women????? I cant see one thing….pass all the laws you want and make all these women PM, President, CMs and CJs but nothing would change unless we change the whole system by educating people and giving them more awareness.
@ eric cartman
“@sic5770
you are even more confused then Mr. econfused.”
Good 1- hahha..LOL
@eric cartman
Yes and we can give more education by giving 300 billion to Military for a million strong and 18 billion for 160 million. My point was to question some thing which will make a difference?
@admin:
There has to be way where we can pull the old comments posted by some of our friends here. Now many people have gone from stanch Mush supporters to Neutrals. It will be fun to dig those out.
@eric cartman
It was PPP who initiated First women bank of Pakistan, Women Police and 40,000 Lady health workers. Due to women bank many house hold women of rural areas of pakistan (for eg, pindi, multan, hyderabad, sialkot, and other areas of Pakistan are exporting the household goods.
If you have ever been to the rural areas of Thatta or Badin, you will come to know that how helpful and useful these lady health workers have been where there is no doctor or even nurses. These efforts are just drop in the ocean of women problems in our society, but it is totally unfair to write you cant see single thing and this makes you blind!
Yes, selecting women as speaker of national assembly is not enough but it reflects the mind set and intent of PPP led government that they want to empower the women of our society. There is a long way to go in every department of our society especially for Poor and Women.
@eric cartman
by the way I love this character of South park!
@Aneeza
When one part of society is constantly under oppression and exploitation, the immediate action needed is to compensate them. I agree the basic principle should be merit, but when a very intelligent boy is forced to study in furnitureless, toiletless, fanless and teacherless schools and other average boy enjoys the atmosphere of Cadet colleges, we can not establish a merit between them.
It will be unfair to expect the poor boy to compete on merit with priviliged and influentials of any society. The justice and fairness demands to compensate them by reserving some seats or establishing quota system as the immediate action until he or his family attains the same standards which enable him to compete with the rest of world. It is high time to prioritize the neglected fractions of our society especially women. I am pretty sure you would understand my point.
@Aneeza
I totally agree with your point of addressing and fixing the issues faced by women, I just would like to add here that this can only be acheived in longer run. It is not possible to change this overnight. Meanwhile, they need to be compensated and then we all should start addressing the problems of inequality in our society.
@Fahim
I have read/heard so much on news about lady health workers program that it was a total disaster but I would not know that since I dont have the first hand knowledge. But I know about Police and Banks. I know for a fact you can not get a job in police and bank if you dont know someone or you dont have enough money to bribe them. And the people who can afford this are mostly not that oppressed, if you catch my meaning. but If it did anything good then more power to PPP but I insist that “Leave the symbols to the symbol-minded.” and do something solid because we make these gestures all the time and still nothing happens.
And another thing I would like to point out is that in our country human being has no right to live I mean thats the basic right you know “right to live” we dont have that. you would not know when there is an explosion or someone rich would just run you over with his big expansive car and you would not be able to even complain or file a police report coz cops would put u in for ruining his car if you catch my meaning yeah. We all say women are oppressed in our dear country but we tend to forget that everyone Men/Women/Trannies no one has no rights there. Even the guy who is supposed to give us justice is arrested illegally with his whole family. The way I see it as if you have money/power in Pakistan then no body cares you are a man or women. but if you are poor like me then you dont have a right to live.
So lets not divide us into groups women and men lets struggle for everyone and try to educate and only education and awareness is the key.
@eric cartman
You have come to the point where I wanted you to bring. The society needs over all grooming. And I cannot agree more that education is the key!
Having said that I didnt understand why you pointed out here exclusively that in police and banks one cannot get job without source or bribe. I guess this is true for all departments of Pakistan. But if you are thinking that in women police, the women of sardars, politicians, choudhries are working as sipahee or SHOs, then you are mistaking. Like in every departments of Pakistan, there is 20 to 40 percent merit in these departments and lower middle class and poor families have found employment. And same is true for first women bank. You can read few success stories of middle class women through FWBL here http://www.fwbl.com.pk/smesuccess1.html
By the way I just gave example of these projects/works done by Mohtarma BB as you probably were unaware of them!
If things were in my hand, I would be more kind and approaching to those who has suffered most in our society (poor and women). This is all I want to say, which appears to you as if I or someone else is advocating the partitioning of already divided society by emphasizing the need to empower poor and women.
@eric cartman
For LHWP, please read this link and see their positive impact on our society. (This is again just a drop of effort in ocean of problems).
http://www.comminit.com/en/node/149030
Most of the 40, 000 women who were employed in LHWP program were lower middle class and poor families.
I don’t know you are just writing to prove your point that “LHWP was disaster” or you really have read/heard some stories other then the pocket incidents of a Ladhy health worker giving wrong medicine etc. This program has been a success, and it is still running successfully. Please see the official website of this program to learn more about it:
http://www.phc.gov.pk/template.php?id=30
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