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@Zia
In fact we don’t do this and don’t believe in this. Read Quran and hadith and you would come to know what punishment does Islam prescribed for a person who curses Allah and his massager (saw). If some one would curse our beloved prophet (Saw) we must teach him a lesson after which no one would even dare to think about it. He was not an ordinary man, He (saw) was a massager of Allah and we love him more then our self.
As for as slavery is concern so isn’t there slavery exist today. In Islam a slave has got right upon the master and a master is obliged to feed his slave and to look after him but the interesting thing in today’s slavery is that the master is taking and looting his slave instead of providing to the slave. Today the world is suffering from neo-slavery where they enslave the whole nations. So please do think before opening your mouth against Islam.
Regards
@TK
Bro first of ASALAM O ALIKUM to you as well. The fact is that you guys have never come across people who can argue with you offensively rather you have always discussed with apologetic Muslims who wants to make you happy and Islam subservient to the current secular system.
HT is the growing force in the international arena and the secular world is disturbed and depressed what to do with the growing awareness about khilafah and political Islam, now they have resort to false propaganda and an evil campaign to reform Islam the way they did with Christianity. They have given free license to vilify Islam under the guise of FREE SPEECH. But For them the best people are those who call themselves Muslims but do not refer there life affairs to Islam and there are many in this forum. Please refer to a report published by Rand Corporation by the name of CIVIL DEMOCRACTIC ISLAM and find your self in that report.
We agree with each other because we base our arguments on Quran and Sunnah, we agree unless someone comes up with stronger evidence from the mentioned sources.
I never called you Quraish or my self Muhammad (Naozubillah) rather I said that you guys often behave like the Quraish of Makka and give you a relevant example in that regard.
Bro Why don’t you come up with some solid reasons of negating khilafah and proving democracy as a best system instead of baseless and shallow propaganda. It’s easy calling other people ugly while hiding behind the mask.
Regards
@Optimist
Bro You have proved your ignorance, arrogance and hypocrisy again and again so ASALAM-O-ALIKUM to you.
Regards
@econcused
Bro please read the section 7” METHOD OF APPOINTING A KHALEEFAH TODAY”
It mainly talks about two scenarios 1- which is the current scenario and many political parties are working for the revival of the khilafah. The 2nd is the scenario is where the khilafah state will exist, and when the Caliph will depose because of any reason, how would the Muslim elect another caliph?
The current scenario is where political parties are working for the change, which will come through political and intellectual struggle by working in society to make a strong public opinion in favor of khilafah and at the same time working in all Influential communities as well as people of authority, as our prophet (saw) did in Makkah where he (saw) ultimately convinced two tribal leader and the first Islamic state got established in Medina. It simply means that HT is active in all sections of society and it also trying to convince Ahle-Nusrah (people of power) to transfer authority and when we will be successful in achieving that we will announce that state a khilafah state and will then start unifying all other Muslim land with that khilafah state to become one state and one Ummah
When there would exist a khilafah state and one khilafah will depose because of any reason the process of electing a caliph is mentioned in detail in scenario No-2, So for that refer back to the article. .
As for as the point you made that the moment you bring in voting for selection, its democracy. It means bro you don’t know what is democracy. Election is just a small portion or part of democracy which is there in khilafah as well. Democracy is a ruling system which believes in people’s sovereignty and majority being the authority in simple words. As the two Latin worlds means People’s RULE. And you know that it was invented way before the prophet (saw). Our prophet (saw) brought a new system of governance with new principles which was then followed by the noble companions of the prophet (Saw) and we believe it was abolished on 3rd march 1924.
Now please don’t say that there are many things invented before our prophet (saw) so should we abandon that as well. Bro there is a difference between things and concepts. I hope you understand what I mean.
Regards
Yippeee. The Khali LIfafah bot is here.
Stand down Khali Lifafa MUTANT turtle !!!
I repeat. Stand Down!
Drop the Baklava pastry. Face the wall. Put your socks in your mouth and stop babbling.
STOP WASTING PRECIOUS OXYGEN. (think about it.)
@mbokhari
anything else you have to say or just the usual
For Shame !!!
India is after all an emerging power- if fall in the dollar and rise in the rupee’s value is the criteria than it is only a furlong away from replacing USA as the global power. It is psyche of Pakistan leadership from the days of Skindar Mirza to prefer to be a client state rather than an independent sovereign country- India is a growing power and a neighbor also why not to be its client state rather than that of USA
Flabbergasted- is too heavy a word to describe the current state of mind of the Kashmir leadership. It is dumbfounded. It is bewildered over the warmth shown by the Pakistan political leaderships towards pro-India leaders of the state
@hamaradeen
Just the usual, hon.
Oh, and I’d like fries with that. Thanks, ur a doll !!!
@hamaradeen
Zinggg !!! haha:)
Aitazaz Ahsan Poem in Quetta
@Zia
Dear brother, you have raised few points. I am not sure what your beleifs are and what your religion is but i am curious about knowing it, if you would like to share.
I would like to quote few of your words.
“Christianity and Islam evolved out of Judaism or Old Testament.
One does not have to be religious to believe in the Creator.”
Well, this is a complex statement. It is true that Judaism came prior to Christianity and Islam and Islam came after Christianity. Well, religion from God was always one and message was same but with passage of time came different Prophets and Divine guidance. So in Islam there are many things which were in previous religions too as all were from same the GOD. However, it should be understood clearly that Islam is an independent and complete DEEN(way of life), I don’t understand what you mean from “evolving”, if you mean that Islam also does contain commandments sent earlier then it is true; Quraan and Sunnah have it but there are also additional things too as Islam is for whole mankind and for ever; one however can’t clearly distinguish between new rules and old ones due to many factors which i don’t mention here. But if from evolving you mean that Islam was just created by human beings from old books or religions then you are totally wrong!!! Stay clear.
“I could give you plenty of contradictions from Quran i just don’t want to hurt
your feelings and get a fatwa against me.”
what do you mean here? do you mean that you can give contradictions in Quraan against its own verses/rules or do you mean something else? please make it clear. Thanks.
@zaheer
Let me clarify:
Evolution of Islam from Judaism and Christianity is a fact that is obvious to IMPARTIAL observers. If you are partial to Islam, you will say what you just said. If you are partial to Christianity or Judaism, you will see all the others are false religions.
To a Martian visiting earth, the ideas and practices of Islam would appear to have evolved out of the other two older religions. What you stated is true only if you BELIEVE in them. (I do.)
So, he is right if you take faith out and keep only reason, logic and science.
@ Zia
“Also is Sexually Oppressed would like 4 wives and lot of Hoori.”
Do you have any objection to having four wives by a Muslim and do you have any problem with Hoori? I would like to know your kind reasons for that. Here, i must make it clear that i follow Allah and Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H) and not MULLAHS or anyone else, a Muslim objects to wrongdoings of all no matter what status of preson in question might be. However, in the name of MULLAHISM etc, one can’t be allowed to defame Islam, all Scholars of Islam and all Muslims!!!
“I heard Israr Ahmed say that Taliban had the Islamic state but they made a few mistakes.”
Here again, you seem to playing card of Taliban, hate, propagand etc. to defame a Scholar of Islam. No human being is totally bad or totally good and Taliban are also human beings, they made mistakes its true but which nation is free of mistakes, btw? Here again i am not fan or follower of Taliban or any other, i follow Allah and Prophet Muhammad(P.B.U.H), so don’t try to use same card against me also. Try to be realistic brother. I know you would use this point more to pressurise others but no problem, come.
Would be nice to hear your kind objections.
Have a nice day.
Best regards.
@mbokhari
how can he be so sure using reason, logic and science that Islam is just Evolution? Has he studied all the religions deeply or has he drawn his conclusions based only upon few of his own parameters. I do respect all religions and faiths of others, all have right to choose what they find as truth but at the same time i do have same right and i respect my right of faith too. I just liked to know his intentions and objective of making few statements. We should share our point of view also. Aagain, everyone is free to have any faith and religion since faith and religion can’t be forced!!! No hard feelings.
@MBOkhari
Asalamo Alikum, those who know little about Quran can understand that where does Allah (swt) instruct us to say salaam and to whom.
Regards
“everyone is free to have any faith and religion since faith and religion can’t be forced!!!”
Really? Oh Thank you thank you thank you. I feel so free and relieved now. Let me quote Bokonon (may Allah be pleased with him)
———-
God made mud.
God got lonesome.
So God said to some of the mud, “Sit up!”
“See all I’ve made,” said God, “the hills, the sea, the sky, the stars.”
And I was some of the mud that got to sit up and look around.
Lucky me, lucky mud.
I, mud, sat up and saw what a nice job God had done.
Nice going, God.
Nobody but you could have done it, God! I certainly couldn’t have.
I feel very unimportant compared to You.
The only way I can feel the least bit important is to think of all the mud that didn’t even get to sit up and look around.
I got so much, and most mud got so little.
Thank you for the honor!
Now mud lies down again and goes to sleep.
What memories for mud to have!
What interesting other kinds of sitting-up mud I met!
I loved everything I saw!
Good night.
I will go to heaven now.
I can hardly wait…
Amen.
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Point is: Take a deep breath, go easy on the Halva and let your mind expaaaand. Stop the dawaganda! Say no to stoneage mutant khilafa turtles! Barf in the Khali LIfafah!
Shoaib Akhtar banned for 5 years…Yeaahhh!!!
He cannot play for Pakistan or in Pakistan for 5 years.
Now, time for Nasim Ashraf to face the gallows!!
Another week has started with Arrogance and ignorance of Mullahs.
you have made your points. We don’t want you Khali Lifafah.
Go buzz off. Now let us consider serious issues.
bullshit, mqm terrorists are gonna be added in the gov, and they even will get 2 ministries…
:@:@:@
And I think its time even for nasim ashraf to go!
that stupid guy has ruined Pakistan cricket…
@urazzaq12
Abhi to ibtada-e-….
I think PCB should start giving a bit of respect to their players. Indians ne apno sar pe charhaya howa hai.
@urazzaq12
A cartoon about the new cabinet
So you know where UN stands on Human Rights:
Ansar Burni elected unopposed to UNHR Council’s Advisory Committee
About UN/Burni:
Direct link:Burney elected member of UNHRC advisory panel
Payed for by Burni:World community felicitates Ansar Burney
Well here is the interesting part about the above that I forgot to mention: As opposed to what Burni would have you believe, this is not an “election” that “candidate” Barni won. 2008 was Pakistan’s turn and Mush appointed him as the Pakistan’s “paleet” representative. See how Burni is playing it in the last link above. What a p@thetic tvrd!!!
The Chief Clown Ahmed Qureshi now works for GEO English
@econfused
You do mean this Ahmed Quraishi, right? Are you serious? GEO sure is aiming high, NOT! Well we knew Ahmed would be out of a job at PTV with the new govt coming in. Just surprised GEO has sunk so low!!!
@nota
Exactly, I did not believe my eyes. BTW do you know any other Chief Clown
Mark my word guys, if you read history JANG Group has always supported establishment. They only supported Judicial Crisis because every one in pakistan knows Mush is on the wrong side, so they had to follow policy of the rest of the media.
Fauji’s will again use Jang Group and I can even bet on that.
One of biggest threat to this new government will be from Jang Group(Jang, News, Geo) etc.
@econfused
“BTW do you know any other Chief Clown”
No I don’t. Apologies!
This ahmed qureshi is such a jerk!
All his articles are against the ppl present in this government….and hes so pro-establishment….
@Zaheer
I was raised in Ahl-Hadith family growing up Maulan Maudoodi and Qutb were my heroes.I used to be an average muslim hated anybody who did not agree with my religion like Shia,Brelvi or Ahamady.
Later started reading about other religions and tried to understand the histoey and origin of religion with an open mind.
Based on little science that i knew,found out the planet Earth is 4 billion years old and homo sapiens are a mere 200.000 years.
It is hard for me to fathom the solar system let alone our galaxy or the universe.
The story of Genesis that is the basus of all 3 major religions seemed rather amusing to me (God created earth in 6 days each day is 1000 year
=6000 years)
I believe religions evolved over a period of time like the different languages.Arabic evolved from Hebrew and Aramaic.
I believe in Almighty Creator you can call Him what you like God or Allah.
Actualy Allah is pre islamic for Arabs.
I believe all men are created equal.I respect others point of view and always have an open mind .
I do not think that God transformed some Christians and Jews into apes and pigs.I don’t think God made us in His image or we are His khalifa that would be an insult to the Almighty.It would be very arrogant for
man to claim he talked to Almighty face to face(like Moses did).
Like somebody said it is not a religious forum i don’t want to take too much space if you have any questions or want to discuss it further i can give you my e mail.
Peace
@ Zia m
I have also read Maulana Maudoodi and Qutab who was sentenced to death for killing Anwar Sada’t. I have also read many people, including Dr Israr etc.
God also opened my eyes when I read books that were not specific to Deobandi or Wahabi sect. I think if we force Mullahs to read other things, their eyes will be opened.
We should make it compulsory for Madrassahs that they will teach literature, poetry and history. Meaninglessness of Khali Lifafa will be quite obvious to the students of history.
And let’s bury this Khali Lifafa debate and go back to our real issues.
Independence of judiciary & other issues facing Pakistani society.
Pakistan’s Dar Faces Cabinet Test to Tackle Inflation
By Khalid Qayum and Farhan Sharif
March 31 (Bloomberg) — Pakistan’s newly appointed finance minister Ishaq Dar will take over management of an economy constrained by the highest inflation in almost three years and slowing economic growth.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601080&sid=a2ch9Na3caLI&refer=asia
@nota et al. : Geo has sunk low indeed! That guy’s a douche! First sign? (No comments on his site). He knows he’ll be murdered by comments against his inane shit.
“Salute” to moshe from a link on his site:
http://www.geocities.com/nayyarafaq/pakistan-first.htm
Please excuse me, I have to go and throw up now!
So, Q and MQM found new ‘lovers’ whats a kutta to do?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QNu3hF4gII
Wow. This guy has a major crush on our Machchar.
@Optimist Zia
Went through pretty much the same awakening as you folks did. Except my moment of Eureka came after reading Bertrand Russell, Paine, de Tocqueville and Mark Steyn. I have gone full circle from being a close minded “Nawa-e-Waqtia” to complete freethinking atheist humanism to where I am now, my own personal waypoint: Muslim Humanism.
Helpless children should not be indoctrinated in ANY religion. Only ethics and ikhlaqiyat should be taught with philosophy, history, music and the arts. After all, we have seen the fruits of a 20 yrs of Madrassa culture: ignorant self-detonating morons, child-raping, wife-burning Mullahs and general murder and mayhem. Tell me A SINGLE GOOD THING that has come out of the Madrassa revolution? Has crime gone down? Corruption? What has your Namaazain done for you or the Ummah when your hearts remain impure and even grow blacker? When your minds are steel traps unwilling to see how the world has changed.
But then again, who am I talking to. Khali Lifafa Mutants.
If I can guess correctly , then it seems that GEO will be the major tool of establishment in coming days to destablise the government, it will be as bad as watching PTV in last 8 years. Kamran Khan and several others will make a lot of money in the coming days from the establishment.
Here is the new game plan of the establishment in upcoming days.
1. Improve the image of army by using GEO and Jang/The News , show as if army is totally aloof from all the political activities. There will be a systematic propaganda in this regard.
2. Malign all the political leaders including opposition and government leaders. Again Jang/The News will be on the front for this purpose.
3. From the month of April , we are going to see a wave of violence in different parts of the country especially in Karachi and interior Sind, this will not be suicide attacks instead ethnic issues.
4. Few weeks back I painted a scenario where OBL is going to be found in Pakistan by CIA, and apparently that is going to happen pretty soon.
5. Somehow I can not get rid of the idea of India being involved in this game of establishment. It seems that some tensions are going emerge pretty soon with India , perhaps Pakistan Army is going to do some pranks on indian border pretty soon. There will be Sarbjeet Singh execution next month and then some activities on the border it seems to me that there might be another Kargil pretty soon.
6. Stock exchange and economy is going to crash in the second week of April , not only that there will be a big textile/summer crisis in this summer.
7. Passimist in me says that we are going to see some really violent revenge from establishment. Everything is heading in that direction. I am sure GEO will not sell itself cheap , and since they have sold themselves , establishment is not going to waste that money for nothing they must be upto something.
Disclaimer:
All of the above predictions/analysis are just based on analysis and are not based on any source or insider information.
@admin
will u upload capital talk?
@pejamistri: “I am sure GEO will not sell itself cheap”
Are you sure about a FUTURE sell out? Hasn’t it already happened?
I understand your pessimism though I don’t think/hope it will be that bad. Another factor could be played by GEO MQM TV. Some time back we saw an attempt to divert the public from the real issues by the (unnecessary) release of the Indian spy. That story backfired when Pakistan in exchange received a dead body from India. Recently Shoaib Akhtar got 5 years ban for something he should have had 1-5 matches ban for -if any (I am not a Shoaib fan). It can seem ridiculous to think of Shoaib in this regard, but I think the GHQ/establishment will bring such kind of stories with a regular interval to divert attention from the judges issue. Your indication about a border “heavy weight” clash with India cannot be ruled out either. “Heavy weight” in the sense of diversion. A planned exchange of fire in Kashmir maybe the worst threat to the democratic forces. At the same time I am convinced that these diverting tactics will NOT be a success for Mush and his lieutenants. People have become so aware of the real problems we are facing that all their dirty moves will be in vain, inshallah!
/Saqib
@Saqib
I believe that if the parliment moves quickly on the judges issue, IF it sincerely wants to restore them, and this is a big IF, then judges can be restored quickly. The problem is that people like Farooq Naik has been put in key positions who had already stated that this would have to be done with a 2/3rd majority.
If mainstream media like GEO is now starting to take side with MQM, establishment, etc., them who will unearth the truth and bring it to the attnetion of the masses?
MQM’s Corruption
200 BILLION Rupees worth government property distributed with Sector incharge of MQM. That property is sold and a long legal battle is required to take that back (because of new innocent owners).
Now we know why Altaf is worries about ‘Sard Mehri’ despite of his ‘Khair Sigali’ gestures in ‘NATIONAL INTERESTS’
http://jang.com.pk/jang/apr2008-daily/02-04-2008/main.htm
Do you think the right choices were made in the formation of the federal cabinet?
Honesty and Sincerity aside, do you thing the Ministers will be able to do justice with their respective portfolios considering that some of them already have highly demanding jobs?
Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, the new commerce minister is the Chairman and CEO of Airblue and running an airline is not an easy task.
@optimist
So when is Pakistan government starting to revive his cinema or should we allow Indian movies in our cinema halls? should there be ban on Shoaib Aklhtar or not? These are the serious issues you want to discuss, right. I never forced anybody to comment on khilafah but as I said secular-democrat can not resist, whenever they would see or hear a discussion going on about khilafah they will certainly jump in and would start there false, Baseless and empty propaganda in order to create a misconception about Islam and khilafah.
For the prophet of Allah (swt) the matter of implementing Islam was a matter of ‘LIFE AND DEATH’ and that’s why when the pagans of Quraish offered him to come and be the leader of Darun-Nadwa he (saw) refused and said “IF YOU PUT SUN IN MY RIGHT HAND AND MOON IN MY LEFT I WOULD NOT STOP WORKIGN FOR THE EMPLEMENTATION OF ISLAM, UNLESS I ACHIEVE IT OR MY HEAD BECOMES DETACHED FROM MY SHOULDERS” so it must be a matter of life and death for all the Muslims. But unfortunately some of our Muslim bro believe more in the west and there scholars and philosopher then Quran and the teaching of our beloved Prophet (saw).
Regards
“LEADERSHIP IN ISLAM”
Abu Bakr (ra) inaugural speech clearly demonstrates how Islam and the Muslims are to view leadership.
“O’ people, I swear by Allah that I never desired the leadership either by day or by night, nor did I have an inclination towards it…In fact a big task has been assigned to me which is beyond my power to fulfil except with the help of the Almighty Allah. Now undoubtedly I have been elected by you as Ameer although I am not better than you. Support me if I am right; correct me if I am wrong. Obey me as long as I obey Allah; obey me not when I disobey Him and His Prophet.
“Responsibility & Governance”
Islam has made responsibility and ruling over the masses as a heavy burden, accountable to Allah (swt).
Rasool Allah (saw) said, ‘’Whoever assumes a position of leadership over the Muslims and then hides away from the needs of the needy and the poor, Allah swt will veil himself from that person on the Day of Judgement and not help him when he needs him most on Day of Judgement ‘’
Needs & Interests of the Citizens Islam clearly defined that it is the right of every citizen to have the basic rights of food, clothing and shelter provided and catered for. Rasool Allah (saw) stated, ‘’The son of Adam has no better right than that he would have a house to dwell, a piece of cloth to cover his nakedness and a piece of bread and water.
Regards
Geo news is airing meray mutabiq’s promo but doesn’t tell about any schedule for the program. hopefully shahid masood will be back. What do you say guys?
Food crisis being felt around world
USA 2008: The Great Depression
A ‘perfect storm’ of hunger
Chaos on Wall Street
The End of Empire?
Pakistan’s neo-colonial rule
The people of Balochistan are demanding an end to Pakistani military operations and the restoration of self-rule
It is good to see PTV , giving sermon about personality of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto Shaheed. I hope mad dictator watches it , he used to love watching PTV all the time. I think he must be watching GEO right now if “Aaj Kamran Khan Kay Saath” is showing there
If things keep going like this , I think PPP/PML(N) should keep the mad dictator as president for 5 years. Move him to presidential palace in Islamabad, put PTV in his room and take away 58(2)-B and all other descritionary powers from him.
Pakistan quits Swiss case against Bhutto’s widower
http://www.reuters.com/article/gc04/idUSL0111938120080401
In other words, there is no denying the fact that a crime (rather crimes) have been committed. And to tell the truth, the amnesty was absolutely not for the good of the country. It was part of several Mush’s dirty plans to secure his power by amking deals with almost anyone who could sustain him in power. Deal with BB were part of the larger plans pushed by the US and UK. Pakistan and Pakistanis had absolutely nothing to do with it. Their good was not intended or part of the prioroties at all. Saying that forgiving crimes of Benazir and Zardari was in the good of the country is not correct at all. Zardari is a criminal, who sucked the blood of this nation and he will remain so. Mush is the one who allowed him to digest this blood and Zardari and his family is now free to enjoy the looted wealth. On the other head, people are starving, committing suicideds due to poverty, lack of employment, etc – people whose good is paraded to be the reason for granting amnesty to criminals.
children raped at Abu Ghraib, Pentagon has videos
http://www.boingboing.net/2004/07/15/hersh-children-raped.html
Mission accomplished. A nation liberated. Its president lynched. Its kids raped. Their moms turned to prostitutes. Their fathers tortured. Cities showered with white phosphorus. Mission accomplished. Democracy established.
Army Chief in Pakistan Wins Honor From U.S.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/washington/02policy.html?_r=1&ref=asia&oref=slogin
Given the track record of American elected and appointed officials lying, cheating and deceiving, one can safely say that neither is this a coincidence nor is it for anything other than currying favor with the new slave on the bloc.
@mbokhari
Well done brother, you have won, i will try my best to expand my mind and try to be as open minded as you are since GOD would ask me: why did you not try to be like mbokhari as he was the most wise, open minded, right, liberal, intelligent and modern person on earth? !! right?
Let me make it clear to you that for me first comes Islam and then other things and i will be as much modern as Allah wants me to be and not as much as so called open minded and liberals want me, i however listen to all and take their words with open mind. Let me make it also clear to you that Islam leads to the most modern, comfortable, successful life on earth and gaurantees success in herefater too. It is fault of our understanding that we limit, ignore and underestimate Islam. Sorry i am not at all fan of Bokonon or likes of him, you have right to do so as you are a free person. It however does not mean that people in West are stupids, i have been in West for 5 years and i know they are quite nice and intelligent people but i don’t find any reason to take their writings/philosophies above Quraan or Sunnah. I am not saying it like an emotional Muslim rather Islam proved its supriority over all other knowledges, it so far withstood all challenges from science, logic, philosophy etc. Again it is fault of us (Muslims) who could not properly follow Islam, sorry you can exclude yourself here as you are the perfect example i feel. You agree or not, it is your right.
I have few grave disagreements to HT, their goal is legitimate but i disagree to their methodology etc. I also have grave disagreemnts to mr. Usam and Co.
If i will like Halwa, i will definitely eat without being worried what other people think about me at least i will not care your words(sorry for that, you also have right not to care of my words rather you should not), i am so thankful to you however for your kind advice in regard of Halwa, a great idea indeed. Yes, i definitely will try to expand my mind, right sir? OHHH GOD expand my mind since it is ordrer of mbokhari.
Keep your spirits high and be happy. yes, do comment.
Best regards…
@zia m
Dear borther, i could understan to a good extent your background and philosophies. I respect your right of taking your choice but with due respect i do disagree to your philosophy and way!
I personally had some bad experiences in context of religion and i took my own way but my way is quite different to yours. I never felt any doubt about Islam however nor i am expecting any but i had bad experiences by followers, which is natural thing since human beings are different to each other and limited. I don’t believe in sects rather feel satisfied with Islam and only Islam (i.e. Quraan and Sunnah). I don’t claim that i am the right and the perfect one but so far i am satisfied by the help and blessings of Allah almighty, and i pray to HIM that he always helps me. I am however quite open to positive changes as man always needs to learn more. It would be nice to have some discussion with you. Feel free to share your email, you can do it through admin if don’t want to make it public.
Be happy.
Best regards,
Breaking news:
DG MI transaferred .. i.e Bahawalpur mein Khudday line laga dia. Please note DG MI Nadeem Taj is one of the most important person in mad dictator’s team.
@geog74: dude, I’ve never read your comments regarding all the corrupt jurnails, bureaucrats and officials who have actually been looting this country? I’m with you on wadera’s (incestually related to the army btw) and other business people (in politics) looting the wealth, but why don’t you EVER make an effort to be just about your criticisms?
Why is it that you people are always after the politicians (who are vicitimized by the military/bureaucratic apparatus most of the times) but never ever utter a PEEP against the military.
You just posted one anti political and one pro military piece.. A little perspective and balance please? Do you even know how much of the national wealth has been wasted by the Army and the rest siphoned off to foreign accounts?
this is what I hate about Islamists.. always there to ruin their nations unwittingly.
@rev
Jinaab Revivalist, adaab arz.
First of all apologies for bothering you since i had said that i wouldn’t. But if you have a minute read the following article. (not asking you to believe it) but just read it carefully (its only 4 pages) and let me know what you think.
http://www.cfpf.org.uk/articles/religion/br/br_god.html
All the best,
g.
Where’s that DOUCHE! Kashmeer Singh Burney?
http://dailywaqt.com/020408/Images/p7-30.gif
A pakistani woman languising in an Indian prison, but Kashmeer Shing Burni is busy blowing Indians who helped him get elected to the UNO “human rights” seat for his services in freeing their Spies.
What a joke!
Shauka Chore and his “Qabza Group No. 1″ pilfered 60 Billions and wanted to pilfer 200 (they had targets!) in total.
http://dailywaqt.com/020408/Images/bp-16.gif
“Lekin zardari nay ghoRay rakhay thay;…. kiay zulm kiaaa thaa.. GHOOOORRRRAAAYYY!!!.. yaa alha in politicians say kab jaaan chuRaahi gaa? Aray kayaani kahaaN hai tooooooo… abay mard ban..aur pakistan ko bachaaaaaa…ya allah is Zardari aour Nawaz sharif LUTAAARAY ko kiyoo nahi pakartaa… pak fauj ko salam.. pakistan first! grrrrrrrrefgrrrrrrrgrrrrrrr “
To the Optimists and like minded: Please have mercy on the Muslims. You have always supported dictatorships in the name of ‘Khilafah’. And to call the Ottomans autocrats ‘Khalifah’ and present that form of government as equivalent or superior to democracy is simply obnoxious. It is due to this backward mindset that the muslims all over the world are suffering. Democracy has its shortcomings but it is by far the best of all the forms of governments envisaged and practiced by human beings. I agree with a friend above that ‘Medrassahs’ must be forced to teach other liberal sciences and arts so that thay should be able to come out of their tunnel vision. The well beings of Muslims lies in secularism and democracy whether we like it or not is immaterial.
Watching geo tv and reading jang is nightmare. They have taken bribe from establishment and are on a mission to bail out Musharaf and the Army and the MQM. They dont talk about the real issues like the performance of Musharaf regime. They give endless coverage to less important issues like ban on shoaib and telephonic address of psychopath. They will never argue about the audit of the american money given to the generals in the last seven years. They will talk about the corruptions of politicians and burueaucrats but not the military. Jang group is extremely dishonest, I must say and they are doing everything to destablize Pakistan by supporting army. Nawai WAqt is not far behind by projecting the message of obscurantist elements of the society. But, hopefully, we’ll get these forces of exploitation and conspiracies exposed before public.
According to some student leaders (ISF UofP) a certain “Bhatta Khore” group of so called “Islamic” students are threatening other students who are joining their opponent parties.
subhaanalaah. .kia baat hai.. qulu linnaase hasana? oh no! just threaten them.. it is submission brothers.. submission to any tom dick harry who becomes pure and pavittre just by joining IJT
http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20080402/Sub_Images/1100380006-2.gif
Don’t expect whole lot of change…
” Gen. Kyani also informed Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani about the ongoing operation in tribal areas.
Co-chairman Pakistan People’s Party Asif Zardari, Pakistan Muslim League (N) leader Mian Nawaz Sharif, Asfandyar Wali of Awami National Party (ANP) and JUI’s Maulana Fazl-ur-Rahman, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmed Mukhtar, Advisor of Interior Rahman Malik, PML-N Chief Shahbaz Sharif, Pakistan envoy in Washington Mehmood Ali Durrani and the minister for Frontir Regions Najmuddin Khan were also present in the meeting. ”
In what capacity were the leader of political parties given briefing by COAS along with the PM of Pakistan. Nawaz and Zardari are not even MNA, they dont hold any public office or work for government in any capacity. Why are they being treated as Super-Prime Minister.
It seems like the new PM will have his string pulled by Zardari and Nawaz. And this seems scary to me.
@Rashid
.
The people have given mendate to the two leaders you mentioned. NS is not part of the parliament because he was not allowed to contest elections by the dictator , AZ is a senator. Both of them are the leaders of the parties which are mandated by the people of Pakistan to rule the country. YRG was nominated by PPP under the leadership of AZ and with the understanding of NS , don’t confuse YRG with Shaukat Aziz who was nominated by the dictator. They have all the rights to pull the strings of the new PM , and in fact if they don’t pull his strings , he may be like Farooq Laghari
They took part in the briefing as the leaders of ruling coalition , they have every right to be aware of the security situation in Pakistan as they are the ones who will be making the policies to run the country.
slogan of 90: “Altaf-Zardari bhai bhai”
I don’t know what the hell this Mr. 10% is going to do.
He is taking everyone on board…………………….. everyone will be in govt. particularly killers, corrupt ones.
where does position as control stands?
Government has asked for details on loans that were written off during Q league.
Apparently there is a record breaking 1.25 TRILLION rupees which were eaten by Mush?Q league supporters.
@ poola
Yeah, zardari did enough to ruin Pakistan by including fazlu in gov, now even if mqm is included in the coalition, I dont know what will happen…
And mqm has gone mad, just because zardari is going to them, they are so desperate to get into govt…
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100379587&Date=20080401&Issue=NP_LHEPehla Test by Javed Chaudhry
FAIL!!!
Oops!
Pehla Test
@Rashid: I tend to agree with your sentiment on the AZ/NS being present issue.. I don’t like the idea of non-elected people being given information about national security issues. But everyone is treating them as the “real” split-pm’s which is sad really.. I don’t have problem with NS or AZ being there when they are part of the power structure, but right now, this is just bending the rules..
hope they will try to get elected at least so we don’t have this issue. The only thing I can think of is that everyone knows that the PM will have to brief both of them, and it is better they hear it from the horse’s mouth.
I like the fact that the military structures are following the rules to some extent and not involving El Prezidente in these briefings.. He should be made ceremonial as soon as possible.
@pejamistri: sorry, gotta disagree with you bro. They are de-facto “Split-PM” but technically they DO NOT have the right to interefere in the sovereignty of the parliament.
In proper democratic institutions, the parties choose their leaders through conventions who then become PM’s if/when the party wins. Right now we have a situation that AZ has dubious mandate within the party itself (though he’s been acting admirably but we’re talking about empowering institutions and diminishing the role of personalities.. easier said than done.. agree!)
So, I think given the ground realities, it is probably better to include these two, but they Do Not have the mandate of the people to be in such high level meetings. But the fact is that the PM will have to brief them on this .. and to be honest, I don’t like this idea of YRG having to ask permission from AZ/NS combo every time there is a need to make a decision.. This situation will not be qualitatively different from the moshe & Shauka Chore relationship.
YRG represents the sovereignty of the Pakistani Nation, and NO ONE, even NS or AZ should be considered above the institution of the Prime Minister. Even the “president” himeself is not above him. AZ and NS being there without being granted the role of “special advisors” and therefore consititutional cover at least, is just in-appropriate when we talk of Restoring the Supremacy of the Institution that is the National Assembly of the Representatives of the Sovereign People of Pakistan. (that was a mouthful!.. hehe)
@Peja
Thanks for clearing that. Now I know that the policies will be made in Zardari House and Nawaz Murree Resort. Not in any government office. We can close down whole bunch of ministries and save some money
As for the mandate, my theory is that, people were tired and pissed off from last government. So the mandate is not for AZ and NS( they already had their turns) rather it was ANTI-Mush/PML-Q. Unfortunately, people don’t have a whole lot of choices. Remember the NS, PPP, NS, PPP governments. People weren’t giving mandate to PPP/NS rather they just felt so disappointed that they vote anti-government..whoever that maybe.
And can we move on please. Why is it that every criticism is compared to Musharraf. I know that Musharraf is a dictator and the last 8 years were horrible, however, we should not set the bar so low for the new government.
@TK
unfortunately Kiani went to see Mush Qutta soon after the briefing to PM
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=42408
@Malek: Technically Mushie should have been in that meeting too. The president is the head of the armed forces (I don’t know if it is post Zia only or did the 73 constitution allow that as well?) In any case.. PPP should get off their a$$ and get Moshe out or clip his wings pronto!
Don’t fvkkin drag this sh!t on forever and ever. I think NS and AZ should be given the status of Special advisors to the PM if they want to sit in these meetings. This idea of getting non-elected people with people who have actually taken an oath and who technically represent the will of the peopl, just rubs me the wrong way.
And also, this gives all the nay sayers something to crow about.
Also don’t get me wrong people, I am just a fool that way. We should criticize those we support as well.. let us keep a check and a keen eye on our beloved ‘democratic forces’.
Pakistan government has failed the first test. All corrupt and criminals are back in the positions of power, starting with the advisor to the prime minister.
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100379587&Date=20080401&Issue=NP_LHE
The masters have made sure their slave Musharraf stays where he is
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/Apr-2008/1/index6.php
@Rashid Peja TK
i think we need to note that the issue here is quite different/complicated i.e ‘the ongoing operation in tribal areas…on the behest of US/Mush’
to deal with such an issue one will need people power behind them (and people have voted for NS and AZ as heir to BB) so it is important for NS and AZ to attend this meeting to understand the issue ‘first hand’
however i agree issues must be left to PM/Cabinet but there are few issues like restoration of judiciary, ‘getting rid’ of Mush and operation in tribal areas where direct involvement of NS and AZ will be valuable to comply with the mandate of people
5 Maj-Gens asked to quit civilian posts
http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/01/top11.htm
The question is: What were these major generals doing in the civilian departments in the first place? This is the kind of invisible occupation of the country by its own armed forces. This occupation will previal despite the symbilic withdrawal of a few officers. see here http://dictatorshipwatch.com/occupation_prevails.pdf
@TK
bro sorry but i have to disagree with your comment that ‘Technically Mushie should have been in that meeting too’
Technically, Mushi the ‘Suar ka bacha’ should not be in that meeting but actually behind bars where ordinary hawaldars should be giving him ‘treatment’ with special chittars….. before being taken to ‘phansi ka phanda’ in connection with violation of Article 6….
i am sure you have thought much worse than this for the Jackal General….but thats all i could come up with for now….rushing to finish work and get home!!
@Malek: I agree with your reasoning. .and that is what I tried to get at in my response to @Rashid as well, but I think we need to give some status to these two gentlemen until they get elected, administer an oath to them and then by all means include them in these talks..
If that incompetent Rehman Malik can become special advisor, then why not these two. An elected PM with a vote of confidence is one of the main pillars of our democracy. This meeting shows flaws in the way our ‘democratic’ system is set up and many things that are wrong with the way parties do their business un-democratically.
This reminds me of Javed Hashmi…
PM vows to end extremism with political tactics
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=42442
@geog47: I disagree with the choice of words, not “All corrupts and criminals” are back.
Is Khwaja Saad RafiQue a criminal? Kh. Asif a criminal? Is YRG a criminal? Is Fehmida Mi..
So your broad brush statement is incorrect. Yes, there are problems in the setup, but that doesn’t mean it is worse than the Kleptocracy set up by Moshe Kutyaan.
oh, and get your stones ready boys, but do remember what Jesus said that one time.
Zardari arrives at Nine Zero
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=42444
@Maled: dude I agree with you.. my response to u is in moderation (even on the moshe part) .. I mean “the president”.. and I don’t for a second think of him as a legitimate prez.. and that’s why I said they need to get rid of him or clip his wings post haste!
cheers!
do’h!!!!! ‘Malek” sorry I ruind ur nick
@TK: “Also don’t get me wrong people, I am just a fool that way. We should criticize those we support as well.. let us keep a check and a keen eye on our beloved ‘democratic forces’.”
This is the way to go:-) Let’s have issue based opinions and not opinions based on affiliation to a certain politicial party!!
/Saqib
Fateha season in Pakistan. Everyone offering Fateha for everyone.
AZ doing Fateha for Abba Ji. NS doing Fateha for BB
AZ offering Fateha for MQM ‘Shuhada’. MQM offering Fateha for Benazir.
Next will be Naseerullah Babar offering Fateha for MQM workers and MQM offering Fateha for Hakeem Saeeed.
I wish someone asks these people to say Fateha aloud. Really interested to know what they actually say when offering Fateha.
@TK
I can agree with you theoritically, and agree practically on the point of criticising the politicians specially the ones in government.
But I always feel that somehow our people start asking the politicians to be angels, we start expecting everything to be utopian as soon as a deomcratic government comes. Just look at the role of Sonia Gandhi in India , she has been calling shots all along , has been part of some very important meetings and is revered as the real leader , despite Manmohan Singh being the PM.
So let us not expect them to be angels and follow every iota of the rule. There is always a difference between felony and misdemeanor.
Seems there is some sinister game being played by the establishment, PTV is giving some real hype to the “AZ at Nine Zero”. At the moment PTV is still under controls of establishment. And to me it seems that establishment is expecting to get something out of this meeting. Let’s see what comes out, my fingers are crossed.
I am afraid that many of our politicians haven’t learned much or rather are NOT willing to learn from past blunders. For me it seems like the many of the PPPP politicians are playing a waiting game. They want to cushion the effects of democracy, which they interestingly themselves have been a part of, but that is nothing new for them. Politicians from various parties including PPPP have been showing a “MIRAGE of DEMOCRACY” to the Pakistani nation for ages. How can we expect these old horses to change themselves? Isn’t it us who are committing blunders by believing them. Shouldn’t they have been exchanged with new faces i.e. a new lot of politicians?
AZ is at nine-ZERO point……..For what? Is it something which will benefit Pakistan? No, way this is a step in the wrong direction. We are getting a more clear picture of what AZ is planning to do. He is playing foul at a time where every sincere politician MUST show ZERO tolerance towards Gangsters, murderers, dictators, bhatta khor etc.
I suppose the plan is to corrupt the media especially GEO MQM TV by collaborating with both Mush and MQM. Before GEO MQM TV started the Mush-MQM campaign we had ARY indulged in MQM propaganda. ARY has kept the level of MQM propaganda at the same level, but GEO has increased it to even a much higher level than ARY propaganda. The print media has always been vulnerable to shady business.
What is acting as a check block on the corrupt politicians road? The lawyers movement has developed in to a real fight where we on one hand have the opportunistic politicians waiting for weaknesses in the lawyers ranks and on the other side we are witnessing a unique movement in the history of Pakistan which is declining to die. The lawyers and the APDM have been fighting their case for a year, which beyond everyone’s expectations, and we will inshallah witness their victory in the near future. The politicians has got a fair time span to show results otherwise the will be facing the wrath of the lawyers and APDM. I am eagerly waiting for the time when these democracy fighters will let the turn coats feel the heat, but off course I hope the politicians will get their acts together and perform according to the wishes of the Pakistani people!
/Saqib
Amazing if AZ has to hear the sermon of Altaf Bhai, I think that should be enough to break all the talks between PPP and MQM. BTW don’t miss this helarious show right now on GEO, another unparalleled performance of Altaf Chooran wala
Actually AH is now feeling isolation and so his actions! AZ, the way he talked along with NS, can not do any thing in favor of establishment.
We need to realize that NS and AZ or PPPs stance is different on various matters so not every action should be seen as pro or anti establishment.
the test case is indeed CJ restoration. Theoretically speaking assume NS in AZ position, how he would have moved?
Qadeer waiting for detention end
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=42450
BAGAIRAT NATION, LANAT ON ALL PAKIS… DHOOB KE MARAJAO
hahaha .. AZ is standing hearing the altaf chooran wala
…. that is perhaps even a bigger torture that he would have received in the jail. 
Asif bhai ab aap ki khidmat mein
…
geog47:
AQ Khans’ greatness is beyond Mush, politicians or any one else. It is not uncommon to see such great people suffer from misery in the history of Pakistan.
I am hopeful to see him free again
Altaf is croaking via telephone from London and after every croak Sattar nodes his head in affirmation. These Karachi guys seem to have ample free time, almost every second day they gather at nine-zero to hear Altaf’s croaking.
Altaf Hussain is sounding just as ridiculous as one could expect. The cult worshippers has gathered……:-(
/Saqib
Today these goons of MQM are praising Bhutto family and tomorrow they will insult them in worst words, I know the nature of these thugs of MM.
@asfand1
And what about the PPPP folks who are praising the killers? Will they not be insulting theme tomorrow?
/Saqib
PTV Global, GEO TV and ARY showing the tragedy of Pakistan live.
/Saqib
The overwhelming majority of PPP workers are against any kind of dialogues with MQM. No PPP worker will every praise the hate mongers like Altaf.
@asfand1
I sincerely hope you are right, but why the hell does AZ want to be a part of this ridiculous show? What does this show to the nation? That everything is for sale?
/Saqib
@saqib
very well said
‘PTV Global, GEO TV and ARY showing the tragedy of Pakistan live’
this really summarises the comedy show. it seems even a bigger event than making of Pakistan
Allah hamain bachai…..
@pejamistri
You are wasting your energies. This public is so much used to be promises made by dictators, and now the end result is no patience. Democracy is not a silver bullet to cure all ills in one day.
People have every right to question politicians, media, generals or anybody, but after some reasonable time. All these mush lovers, mqm supportes and some DEMOCRATS want result in a day.
Things will change if democratic systems stay on its tracks.
@econfused
“Things will change if democratic systems stay on its tracks.”
Would you say that the democratic system is on track now? or on the way to be on tracks?
/Saqib
@saqib
It is not on track now, I have serious doubts with some of the faces in PPP. It is on the way to be on tracks. I do not give ANY CREDIT to political parties for putting the country on democratic track. In my view a NO from CJ on March 9th, 2007 to dictator has started this.
CJ might have said no just to save his job, but at the moment I have no reason to believe that it was just his job. I have great respect for CJ and Lawyers movement and media. It has essentially given a new start to this nation.
@econfued
Just like you, I find it hard to believe that CJP has been trying to save his job. If that had been the case he would have taken any good offer to resign. I am sure he must have received some handsome offers since it could bail out the dictator from being squashed.
In my opinion we need to strengthen the lawyers movement and APDM to ensure that the politicians feels the heat. I am afraid that this is the only way out and I am also afraid that major media channels have sold their soul……we shouldn’t expect too much from that front either. Luckily we still have a handful of sincere anchors who has the courage to confront any dictator or corrupt politician.
In my opinion we should keep the promise to let the politicians sort out the problems, but in case they don’t every Pakistani should stand alert to support the lawyers/APDM movement.
/Saqib
I didn’t not know should I laugh at this occasion or cry? I laugh when I hear these comedian, but my heart really cries for those people who gave their lives on 12th may, I couldn’t take images off my minds of those dying men.
I still wonder when these leaders would start respecting lives of their own workes and I have same questions to the worker, when would they learn.
Rest Oscar should go to Karach Darama Queen.
Zardari case: Pakistan shamelessly pulls out
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7326142.stm
When Zardari is pardoned and he is elevated to teh positon of a king in Pakistan, not a single person is supposed to remain behind bars for the charges of corruption. Everyone deserve to be pardoned and freed.
AQ Khan hopes new govt will free him
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4627&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Musharraf’s terror network getting chipped. Brig. Ejaz Shah gone. Today Maj. Gen. Nadeem Ejaz moved.(Close relative of Queen Sehba). Both gave affidavits in Chief Justice reference.What is in store for Tariq Aziz and Gen (ret) Kidwai? A. Q. Khan made a statement the other day (see Nation). The drawings that Musharraf says he was shown (supposedly given to Iran) were fake. A.Q. Khan is totally innocent. Why do not they hold an inquiry as to how a retired Brig. Niaz became a big supplier to Kahuta Labs? What is the real story? The house arrest of A.Q.Khan without legal procedure is a “rendition”.
@pejamistri: Your point is well taken! I think we’re on the same page bro. liked the “felony vs. misdemeanor” bit
a good description of the situation.
Do you think that the right choices were made in the formation of the federal cabinet?
Honesty and Sincerity aside, do you thing the Ministers will be able to do justice with their respective portfolios considering that some of them already have highly demanding jobs?
Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, the new commerce minister is the Chairman and CEO of Airblue and running an airline is not an easy task.
@Zaheer
One has to have an open mind to seek the truth,once we box ourselves in certain dogmas we get trapped.We need to question every thing we read in ancient writings and be open to arguments.
@admin
It is ok with me if you can provide Zaheer ny e mail if you don’t mind.
Thanks
Dr Shahid Masood is going to be back on soon according to Geo.
@ zia m
I might annoy some people, I don’t think I have missed him!! His only credentials are that he says what people want to hear and he is anti-establishment. We need more than that.
I started disliking him after his ‘Maut Ka Manzar’ type DVDs where he promoted Dr Israr who told us that final war had happened in Iraq in 1991 and Dajjal is about to come (Israr had no idea that another war was soon to come!). There was music copied from Hollywood films to create fear and feeling of sadness before every verse of Quran on Qiyamat.
Zardari Arrives at 90:
http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=10673
Zardari speech (saRa hua she’r by Dr. FarooQ Sattaar) : (9min)
“jiye Altaf” — Asif Ali Zardari
http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=10684
Altaf Hussain’s iSpeech:(24min)
http://www.vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=10683
na’ara Altaf bhi hua
na’ara Zardari bhi,
na’ara Benazir bhi,
na’ara Bilawal bhi,
But NO… and I repeat NO “Pakistan Zindabad”
Seminar: Clash of Civilization or Clash of Interests (Imran Khan and Dr Mahtir Mohammad)
compare Talat:
http://www.insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/12/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/26086/Default.aspx#26086
@Optimist
Thanks,i started following Pak politics recently after the judiciary debacle
am not aware of the motives of these characters.
@ TK
Make it
Naa Rahee Altaf
(Ameen!)
@ zia m
He is liked by most of our visitors. I don’t have any problem with him. It is just someone brought his DVDs on Qiyamat (he was with ARY at that time) and there are some other things I find unprofessional (like when he went to Lebanon during Israel War, he was more interested in telling that tourists come here for ‘Ayaashi’ – i find this word very unprofessional).
My friends tell me some interesting things about him but I cannot repeat them on a public website.
I don’t know much about this Dr. but he is shady and he has tagged all his google videos with key words like Science and Documentary etc..
Because of this idiot (or his fans) I have to alter my searches because he shows up if you search for science or documentary.. very annoying.. and his DVD’s are just 21st century version of “Maut ka manzar – marnay kay ba’ad kia hoga.” with hollywood music.. WTF??? music haramm hai, hollywood immoral hai, lekin music unhi yahoodiyooNka use karna hai.. aur voh bhi ayaat-quraani aur ahaadith say pehlay… what a joke!
I can’t believe the coverage media gave to this event at 90 they interupted all their schuled programs even Bolta Pakistan and Live with Talat.Media must be scared of mqm terror.
meant scheduled
Glory to Gwadar?
“The call of first-ever merchant ship Panamax class bulk carrier ‘POS Glory’ at deep-sea Gwadar Port in mysterious circumstances last month has raised many eyebrows.
[...] industry sources by TheNation have revealed likelihood of a deliberate attempt to bring POS Glory, 75,000DWT to cover up some major unlawful activity relating to country’s so-called first deep-sea port.”
Islamic Republic of Pakistan or Begerat Republic of Mushrafstan… ????
http://statesman.com.pk/pictures/APP52-31Peshawar.jpg
http://statesman.com.pk/pictures/APP53-31Peshawar.jpg
http://khabrain.com/naiaakhbar/02-04-08/e-paper/back_page.htm
http://khabrain.com/naiaakhbar/01-04-08/pics/pic2.jpg
@riddle 792
So whats bothering you. That you did not get chance to shake hand?
Musharraf’s capacity to bear indignities
Aziz-ud-Din Ahmad
President Musharraf’s capacity to bear indignities, provided he is allowed to retain his office, seems to be unlimited. Used to playing with lapdogs Musharraf will have to live with pit bulls.
Ansar Barfi Singh.
NAMASTE
Express News Columnist: People have 2 Watt “Internal Current linking them to Allah”
Thanks be to Allah Almighty. Now I know what the Matrix was trying to do to Neo. Apparently our “internal current” reaches all the way EVEN beyond the Universe and several feet after that is the “Arsh” of Allah.
Can you figure this out? WTF is this guy talking about. People have 2 Watt “internal current”? What the fuqq is this guy’s education and why is he writing an op-ed in a National Daily?
@mbokhari: Welcome to the bizzarro world of “Islamic (Fetish) Science”.
@TK
I declare the Islamic Circuit Law. Screw Norton and Thevenin. They had nothin on this guy. This is what he said:
“Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Ilaihi Rajiyoon” means from “Allah we come and to Him we return”. This means the “Internal Current” must flow from the divine throne above to the bottomless below, declares Dr. Matloob Hussain.
I. Am. Speechless.
@gv
Bro as you referred me a site link I have read it and find it confusing because he did not talk about the real reasons and intellectual bases and augments upon which one proves the existence of the creator. So simply it was not atoll impressive at least for me. Now I am going to refer you some links and I hope you will not ignore it and will read it with open heart and mind. If you are in Canada you can attend the following presentation and can come up with your questions. The links which I have given here will not only clarify the concept of God to you and to all who will read it rather it will clarify the misconception about Quran and many other aspects of Islam.
http://hamzatzortzis.blogspot.com/2008/02/my-next-international-event-13th-march.html
Does God Exist?
Does God Exist? by Hamza Andreas Tzortzis
March 13, 2008 at 2pm
Canada, York University
http://www.yorkmsa.ca/
The question “Does God Exist?” holds more importance than most of us realise. This lecture provides scientific and rational proofs for the existence of God. The speaker will discuss the implications of the existence of God on our daily life and practices. Finally, he will show the audience that Islam answers the most important question on a rational and spiritual level. With also a question and answer session at the end.
Hamza Andreas Tzortzis is a freelance writer, author, public speaker and activist. He is particularly interested in issues related to Islam and the linguistic inimitability of the Qur’an. He writes about issues related to belief, politics, spirituality, ideology and more.
http://hamzatzortzis.blogspot.com/search/label/Creator
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/mark_vernon/2007/11/god_is_back.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zezBOtU2WGY
Regards
@mbokhari:
“Who are you, who are so WISE in the ways of science?”
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PQkm4NNJXXA
Teenage
Mewww Tent
Lifaaaafaaah
TURTULLZ!!
OMFG !!!!
Thus spake the Turtle:
Today is April 3rd, 2008.
My dear chronologically impaired Stoneage Mutant Khilafa turtles:
You are infact 14 centuries late. Please adjust your sundials.
Or perhaps, the power of Baklava has enabled the Lifafah Turtles to travel back in time???
A fearsome prospect, to be sure.
Turtle Power !!!
@TK:
Good one. Now I see how the earth can be flat. (We have not heard a denial from the Khali lifafah turtles ‘;-) Reminded me of that scene (actually a lot of scenes) from the Life of Brian where the Messiah drops his sandal and his gourd. His flock immediately divides into two sects: Follow the Gourd!. No, follow the sandal!. Infidel! Kill the heretic!!!…..haha..good times…gotta watch it again.
The improved and abridged Dead Khali Lifafa Sketch:
(The original.)
The cast: mbokhari, Recylist
mbokhari: ‘Ello, I wish to support democracy.
Recylist: We’re closin’ for Jumma prayers.
mbokhari: Never mind that, my lad. I wish to complain about this retarted message you posted.
Recylist: Oh yes, the, uh, the Khilafah. What’s,uh…What’s wrong with it?
mbokhari: I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it, my lad. It’s dead, that’s what’s wrong with it!
Recylist: No, no, ‘e’s uh,…it’s resting.
mbokhari: Look, matey, I know a dead system of government when I see one, and I’m looking at one right now.
Recylist: No no it’s not dead, it’s, it’s restin’! Remarkable system, the Khilafah, innit, eh? Beautiful Council of Ulema!
mbokhari: The Ulema don’t enter into it. It’s stone dead.
Recylist: Nononono, no, no! It’s resting!
mbokhari: All right then, I’ll ask pkpolitics posters! ‘Ello, Mister member of the Ummah I’ve got a lovely fresh Khali LIfafah for you if you wake up…
(Recyclist changes id and posts as another member)
Recylist: There, the Ummah moved!
mbokhari: No, it didn’t, that was you posting as someone else!
Recylist: I never!!
mbokhari: Yes, you did!
Recylist: I never, never did anything…
mbokhari: Um…now look…now look, mate, I’ve definitely ‘ad enough of this. That system of government is definitely deceased, and when we dumped it not 14 centuries ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein’ tired and shagged out following a prolonged Jewish conspiracy.
Recylist: Well, it’s…it’s, ah…probably pining for the Mahdi.
mbokhari: PININ’ for the MAHDI?!?!?!? What kind of talk is that?,
Recylist: The Khilafah is just waiting for Muslims to wake up! Remarkable system of government, innit, squire? Lovely draft constitution! See our website
mbokhari: Look, I took the liberty of examining that website and I discovered that you guys are amusing little pests. Please get an appointment with a head doctor immediately.
(pause)
Recylist: Well, o’course the Ummah is only waking up now. You can’t stop talking about the Khilafah. We will conquer Pluto. We will take over Togo and Fiji. We will kill all the Mormons. The Khilafah is coming!!!! VOOM! Feeweeweewee!
mbokhari: “VOOM”?!? Mate, this system wouldn’t “voom” if you put four million volts through it! It’s bleedin’ demised!
Recylist: No no! It’s pining! It’s waiting for the Muslims to wake up.
mbokhari: It’s not pinin’! It’s passed on! This system is no more! It has ceased to be! It’s expired and gone to meet ‘is maker! It’s a stiff!
Bereft of life, It rests in peace! If you hadn’t spamming this website It’d be pushing up the daisies! It’s rational reasons are now ‘history! ‘It’s off the twig! It’s kicked the bucket, It’s shuffled off It’s mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin’ choir invisibile!! THIS. IS. AN. EX-KHILAFAH !!
Recylist: Well. I will pray for you. (O Allah, destroy the infidels and those Muslims, infidels really, who laugh at us. Oh, how they laugh at us !!!)
get a life.
PAF gets delivery of Saab AWACS for USD 1 Billion.
India will get 3 AWACS from Israel by end-2008
India’s indigenous AWACS will be ready by 2011
This is not a joke
US Spent $81 Billion for a Submarine to Fight Al-Qaeda’s Non-Existent Navy
Thank you, Joe Lieberman!!!
Saving of souls is a dangerous profession. (Remember Chile in 1970s).
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=13751
Two top Americans came to save the soul of Nawaz Sharif. The list of targets published on DW is still a valid list. Nawaz, Aitzaz, Iftikhar should take extra precautions for their safety.
Dr. Attaur Rehman should be tried.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=13753
According to the cabinet secretary, Prof Dr Attaur Rehman has also been removed from the office of adviser to the prime minister. Dr Atta, however, would continue as chairman of the Higher Education Commission. His fate would be decided by the new prime minister. Not only the “jarri booti” chemist should be removed from the Higher Education Commission but should be tried for squandering public money (much of it loans). There was a case against him but Mush intervened.
The greatest damage to Pakistan after Mush has been done by the “quack”. Details here soon!
Pakistan Beware, They Are Cornering China
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19631.htm
Oxford prodigy now a call girl
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Oxford_prodigy_now_a_call_girl/articleshow/2915688.cms
There are many cases like this in Islamabad. Musharraf’s enlightened moderation. Remember the CAT House.
@mbokhari
You are too funny remind me of The Letters from Earth by M.Twain.
Thanks for the laughs.
@geog47
NRO doesn’t apply to scientists if they makes mistakes or it is only for politicians and killers to save their billions of dollars.
I wouldn’t vote for trying Dr. Atta after Dr. A.Q. Khan whatsoever.
A lot of miracles are happening in our country:
NS AZ bhai bhai
AZ Altaf Kalia bhai bhai
Shah M. Qureshi – foreign ministry
Rehman Malik – interior minster
No news yet about judiciary.
First we think to try those you were behind
12th May
3rd November
Baluchistan and Fata operation
NRO beneficiaries
if all above is done then scientists should be tried for mishandling of money.
Oh! I see! Ahmed Querishi of “Furmaan Realpolitik” fame is gurgling about something again.
That “Realpolitik Bukkake” must not have been enough, For continued fascist fun, he has moved to GEO now.
@TK
I posted the other day that Chief Clown now moved to GEO ENGLISH
No offense to anybody, but anybody providing links to AQ are also clowns
WTF File:
Foreign Office condemns CIA Director’s statement about Al-Q but agreeing with him completely.
@mbokhari: hahahah! that was brilliant! “The Dead Khilafah Sketch” … instant classic!
You know I imagined you talking in John Cleese’s voice? hahahaha … (I’m starting to feel bad for the lifafah bearers bro… yeh khullaa tizzaad naheeN hai? lol..)
p.s. They better not take over Fiji.. or I’ll have to stop being a good boy and start kickin’ some mutha fa king a$$!
@econfused
NO i am more than happy to see u on the other side….since u r accustom to these….
Javed Hashmi said, “if parliament protects Parvez Musafir’s 3rd November emergency, then it will die itself”. This statement raises too many questions in mind. Fazlu in alliance, Q league support in vote of confidence, 90 visit, mix statements on judges restoration….
All these things are making me very uncomfortable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/04/080403_hashmi_lawyers_zs.shtml
All this Qaumi Mufahammat between political parties is creeping me. First these people claim they are offering un-conditional support on principles in national interest. Then they fight over ministries. Not just any, they fight over the ‘profitable’ ministries.
If MQM wants to support PPP, good. But then why do they need Ministries, same applies to other coalition partners.
What’s this nonsense formula of 1 minister for every 6 seats. There should be a law that limits number of ministers. Govt should not be allowed to use ministries as a political carrot.
PML-Q ka kia qasoor, on ko bhee maaf kar daen aur cabinet mae onka bhee jaiz hissa daen.
Lets have a democracy with no opposition party
Unfortunately, it seems the cabinet ( after second and third expansion) will have about same ministers as the last government.
Govt has decided to disclose all records of bank loans from year 2002-2008.
Why not 1992 – 2008 ?
@Rashid
88 thru 2002 was already covered by NAB
and NRO
@Rashid
source?????????????????
Haqqani appointed ambassador to US
http://www.brecorder.com/index.php?id=718496&currPageNo=1&query=&search=&term=&supDate=
Here are the first signs of how the new government is toing the same line as that of General Musharraf regime. Haqqani’s loyalty to the necons and zionists is unquestionable. His appointment and role is not surprising at all. What is surprising is how the new regime started toeing the neocons line withing weeks of taking power. Stay tuned for more to come. To understand Haqqani, please see: Brandwashing , Zionists have already made a successful inroad into the decision making circles of the new government, Howling Hala, hopeful Haqqani, talking tribals! , Islamic terrorism: a sinister construct of Muslim moderates and their neo-con allies .
Only fools would be deceived with the “brave” and “bold” statement from the new administration and political leaders in Islamabad. What they do is totally different than what they say. That brings us back to the same conclusion that Pakistan’s days are numbers, no matter how hard truth it may be for us to swallow. Musharraf alone can’t bring Pakistan to the brink of disaster. There are so many others that we cannot even imagine. Mush is just one of the last facilitating factors.
Musharraf may face impeachment: Pak Speaker
http://www.ibnlive.com/news/musharraf-may-face-impeachment-pak-speaker/62584-2.html?xml
Mush must call for an air support from US for his remaining mission for the warlords in Washington while sitting as a civilian “president” in the army house.
Musharraf’s capacity to bear indignities [for his masters]
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/Apr-2008/3/columns4.php
If Mush were a normal human being he will never have put up with such insults. He would have long left the position he is illegally occupying with some respect. However, as the most obedient slave of his masters, he has no power to exercise his free will. He has to stay untill his masters want him to be there. His handlers don’t care if he gets booked, charged and hanged for treason in the mean while.
People dont get your hopes too high. All this MUFAHAMAT with MQM is part of a sazish to side line NS.
Bolta Pakistan is revealing some news about it.
Yesterdays AA interview @ bolta was replayed again today. AA said that a new bill is being prepared in the President house by AG Malik Q.
This bill will get rid of all Judges including the the REAL CJ.
AZ is returning favour to MUSH for NRO.
The establishment is still very powerful.
Admin please upload april 2nd Bolta Pakistan.
Thanks.
@ninetykman
AZ is digging his own grave, he thinks, it would as easy to get rid of NS as it was in case of Amin Fahim. I see lots of troubles ahead of us. Lawyers and civil society, please get ready for last run.
Cant believe what I hearing on AAJ TV:
PPP minister Ahmad Mukhtar is saying that we can use Musharraf to get Money from the West.
This means that PPP will support Musharraf.
WOW this is the intellect of PPP defence minister.
What a shame.
@ savage
I agree with you 100 %. Its not over yet.
And after listening to Defence Minister comments on AAJ TV about Musharraf.
I am shocked. May I remind the Def. Minister that your party got votes against the policies of Musharraf.
interestingly Hamid Mir and Nazir Naji – both are insiders – to mention entirely opposite future – list line in their column is worth reading
ahmed mukhtar is as genius as ch, shujat.
@ Ahmed Bhai
And this clown is our defence minister
Do you have link to their column.
most PPP ministers are incompeletents.. Zardari will lick Altaf Churan Wala feet and legs, but Altaf terrorist will break sindh and kill sindhis.. Zardari will be decived extremely greatly
Makhdoom Fahim should be having been prime minister.
Breaking news: A bear may or may not sh!t in the woods!
Fake Sindhi MQM supporter is now insulting Zardari…
Before he was telling us that NS is Punjabi and AZ is the best.
We have another MQM supporter who writes his name as Ayub_lahori
How easy it is to recognise Munafaqeen.
@ Ahmed Bhai
Just read Naji Column. May I remind mr. naji that Musharraf may be looking towards the “HATHI” aka US. But there is another power above the HATHI.
Also this so called HATHI is being defeated in IRAQ and a few thousand poor but determined Afghans.
So HATHI or no HATHI, Musharraf”s will be history.
ninetykman:
I am counting on when Mush is gone but these articles sometime disrupts. anyways lets continue pray his early exit.
forqotten_sindhi: I wish if this assembly be allowed to runs for 5 years as I expect manifold maturity in peoples’ ability to vote next time provided media continues to exposing them!
Optimist: what your think tank sees as solution to karachi with or without MQM?
@ forqotten_sindhi
What is AZ doing ?
Looks like he will ditch NS, soon
I see it otherwise and this is the reason why AZ brought YRG as PM. any defection is possible but this time AZ is not going to ditch NS and vice versa.
@ Ahmed Bhai
So you are saying that AZ and PPP will restore Judges including CJ.
@ Ahmed Bhai
But Aitizaz Ahsan has confirmed that a package is being by AG Malik Q to restore the Judges minus CJ.
@zia m, TK
Thanks zia. I was not aware of this work of Twain. Reading it now. TK, you in Fiji man? watch out for natives with napkins and forks ‘;-)
There was a news yesterday that Zardari would compete for a NA seat in the by elections. What does it mean? I mean, once he becomes a member of NA, he will not sit as an ordinary MNA, would he?
Another NAB case dropped under NRO:
http://www.geo.tv/home/16290.htm
I am very skeptical that the PPP will eventually favour restoration of judges because they are beneficiaries of this ordinance. Bravo to all these mutherfockers for sucking the blood of this nation and then getting away with it.
I have come to know that even Salman Farooqi of Pakistan Steel Mills is cleared.
What I don’t know is how will AZ resolve his degree issue? Maybe he will get an honorary doctorate from SZABIST…If he gets into the assembly with NS and judiciary is not restored, we will see some interesting times with AZ, the PM and NS as the opposition leader. That is, if the new assembly can survive 3 months.
Hmmmmmm…..Doctor Asif Ali Zardari (Bhutto)??????
/Saqib
@Saqib…It is certainly possible. This is the board of trustees of SZABIST
Mr. Aftab Shahban Mirani
Dr. A. Haye Saeed, TQA
Dr. Naseer Shaikh
Dr. Ashraf Abbasi
Dr. Azra Pechuo (sister of AZ)
Mr. Farooq Ahmed Khan Leghari (wtf??)
Mr. Iftikhar Hussain Gillani
Mr. Muzaffar Shujra
Mr. Abdul Razzak Soomro
Dr. Javaid R.Laghari, TI
—–
But most likely the election commission will accept it as a bachelor degree even if AZ presents his degree from Asif Zardari School of Business, Apartment No. 232, Afshan Block, Landhi.
@ TK
you in Fiji? I thought you were joking when you mentioned it a few days ago.
how is Fiji like? any comments about Fiji? Many Pakistanis there?
@mbokhari
If it wasn’t a tragedy for Pakistan I would have laughed at what you wrote. People like AZ can’t understand things with manners. Latoon kai bhoot baton se nahin mante….It is getting more and more evident that these opportunists MUST feel the wrath of the nation. The lawyers, APDM and the awaam better prepare for the worst!
/Saqib
PPP and MQM animosity as a Tom & Jerry Cartoon — BBC Urdu
I never liked this Wusatullah Khan character but this time it is pretty funny if you ask me.
Daily Times reports: Asif ticks off Aitzaz
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200844\story_4-4-2008_pg1_6
Zardari is nothing more than a chameleon, just like his so-called “Shaheed” wife BB.
THE BIGGEST JOKE IN THE HISTORY OF PAKISTAN WOULD BE CALLING BENAZIR BHUTTO A “SHAHEED”. SHE LAID DOWN HER PRESTIGIOUS LIFE FOR DEMOCRACY IN PAKISTAN.
I SAY WHY DON’T WE CALL MR. JINNAH A “SHAHEED” WHO HAD GRAVELY BEEN SUFFERING FROM TUBERCULOSIS PAST THREE YEARS PAKISTAN CAME INTO BEING. WITH SUCH AN ILLNESS, HE USED TO SIT UNDER THE LAMP ALL NIGHT LONG DOING HIS WORK. APART FROM HIS OUTDOOR LIFE HE USED TO WORK 14 HOURS DAILY…WHAT FOR? FOR WHOM? FOR HIMSELF….?? HE WAS SURE THAT HE WAS GOING TO DIE ONE OR THE OTHER DAY. FATIMA JINNAH USED TO FIGHT WITH HIM EVERY NIGHT TO TAKE SOME SLEEP, HIS PERSONAL DOCTOR WHO WAS ALSO HIS CLOSE FRIEND WOULD FORCE HIM TO FOLLOW MEDICATION BUT HE NEVER CARED FOR HIMSELF OR HIS ILLNESS. ALL HE CARED WAS PAKISTAN COMING INTO BEING AS AN INDEPENDENT STATE. HE DID CARE AND HE DID PROVE!! THESE BB SAHIBA LOOTS BILLIONS OF RUPEES, FLEES TO UNITED STATES, RETURNS A MONTH BEFORE ELECTION, DIES ACCIDENTALLY IN A BLAST AND BECOMES A SHAHEED FOR THE WHOLE NATION…I FEEL AGITATED AT THIS POINT!
I was just messing with you guys. I’m right here in ChiChuki MaliyaaN
I suppose that you are still messing with us!!
@The Hope
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Is PPP trying to protect Musharraf?
By Ansar Abbasi
ISLAMABAD: A PPP minister has been going around meeting some of the deposed judges in Islamabad’s Judges Enclave to seek assurances that once restored they would not re-open cases against President Musharraf, it is learnt.
@mbokhari
I agree with that but have I violated any?
Rauf Clasra has reported that Ejaz ul Haq says that General Mehmood Durrani was behind the death of his father in 1988 (with the help of PP leaders).
What a joker! He never said anything while this guy was ambassador in the USA and now he is talking like a sad loser
http://jang.com.pk/jang/apr2008-daily/04-04-2008/main4.htm
If his allegations are true, let me thank General Durrani. That is the only good deed he has done. He should be awarded a medal for serving democracy.
alright ALL CAPITAL LETTERS..my bad..got it
Knives are out for the HEC head honcho Dr. Ata ur Rehman. And rightly so.
“Within three weeks, he had made COMSTECH his fiefdom. On August 17, 1996, I told him that his appointment was morally wrong because he was a member of the search committee, that his actions so far had ruined whatever possibilities existed for COMSTECH. I then submitted my resignation, which he accepted within four minutes.”
Ejacul-Haq is just an agencies man… these guys are trying to make the “stupid paki’s” feel like PPP (who has capitulated btw!) idiots are “the clever ones”..
They’re going to fail.
@Optimist
This Piaz-ul-Haq has many layers. The more you peel, more you will weep to see the real ugliness of human nature. If Piazul Haq were a little more desperate he would accuse even his own father Gen Zia of being behind his OWN death. He will auction his own mother just to be in the news….haha…what a wh0re…
@mbokhari: bbbuut bbbuuut why aren’t we at JUPITER YET??? waaaaaaaa waaaa waaa! >:(
@ mbokhari
Gen Zia, Raees ul Munfaqeen, was man of many crimes. He should be blamed for bringing such a useless son in this world…
It was quite a conspiracy hatched together by Gen Zia and Shafiqa Zia!!!! What an achievement!!!
In Punjabi they say it is better to give birth to ‘Chattoo Watta’, at least that would be useful for kitchen work….. hahaha
A correction is in order…As TK so succintly put it, we should mention the Raees-ul-Munafiqeen as Gen Zana-ul-Fuq…The worst to happen to Pakistan since Bhutto. Actually, this is debatable.
If I ever saw Piazul Fuq I would tell him in Punjabi, “Puttar, tera qasoor nai ae, aye ghalti tere maa pioo di hegi” They should have used protection. They didn’t and now we have an insult to decency giving interviews, wasting oxygen and burdening god’s green earth. He should take the azarband out of his shalwar, swing it over the pankha and around his neck and I don’t know, just, like, SWING BABY!!! YEAH!!!!
I think admin should start two polls:
1. 10 Greatest Pakistanis
2. 10 Worst Pakistanis
Needless to mention, there would be some overlap, as in the case of ZAB. What do you think?
Judges’ scrutiny by parliament panel after reinstatement
The proposal is in conflict with the Murree declaration, signed by the People’s Party and the Pakistan Muslim League-N last month, that spoke about the judges’ reinstatement through a parliamentary resolution within 30 days of government formation at the centre.
“Now the judges would be reinstated first in respect of the commitment made, but then the case of every judge, including the deposed and the incumbent, would be reviewed by a parliamentary committee to make a decision about their retention in the superior judiciary,” the source said.
The President of Supreme Court Bar Association, Barrister Aitzaz Ahsan, has already warned political parties against giving their assent to a package “prepared by the presidency”.
The package is the brainchild of Attorney General Malik Mohammad Qayyum, Aitzaz Ahsan has alleged.
He said President Pervez Musharraf wanted to make Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry very controversial so that he could be removed after the scrutiny process.
Any such attempt would open a Pandora’s Box, he said, adding that every judge would then become controversial and the entire judiciary would be thrown into turmoil.
Former SCBA president Hamid Khan was also critical of the package, recalling that the Murree declaration only suggested en bloc reinstatement of all those judges who refused to take oath under the PCO. He suggested that the draft copy of any constitutional package should be circulated among bar councils and associations.
About Justice Iftikhar, Hamid Khan alleged that conspiracies were being hatched to get rid of him. He, however, warned that any proposal that spoke of reinstating judges minus Justice Iftikhar would not be accepted by the legal fraternity.
Am I supposed to believe there is not a banking cartel already?
Banks forming cartel to fleece depositors – probe completed
(Other cartels mentioned in the story are fertilizer — Fauji Fertiliser and Fauji Bin Qasim, the cellular phone companies, stock market — KSE and LSE)
Thank you Sindh Tarraqi Passand (STP)!
STP slams Asif’s visit to 90
HYDERABAD, April 3: Sindh Tarraqi Passand (STP) chairman Dr Qadir Magsi has criticised PPP leaders for visiting the Muttahida Qaumi Movement headquarters on Wednesday night and said: ?Benazir Bhutto was physically murdered in Rawalpindi but her soul was murdered in Azizabad.?
He was particularly hard on PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari for apologising to the MQM forgiving it on behalf of the people of Sindh and said that Sindhis had done nothing which required him to adopt such a stand.
Addressing a press conference at the Tarraqi Passand House here on Thursday, Mr Magsi said the PPP co-chairman visited the MQM headquarters to discuss a power-sharing formula in Sindh.
Besides launching a vitriolic attack on the MQM, the STP chairman accused Mr Zardari and the PPP leadership of trying to placate the MQM into joining the PPP-led coalition government.
He said that people who had struggled against the removal of judges were told that excesses of the past eight years would be done away with.
…He said that the APC’s document signed by the PPP and PML-N described the MQM as a terrorist organisation and said that no party would enter into an alliance with it for forming a coalition government.
Taliban punishes Pakistani couple by STONING THEM TO DEA TH
http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20080403/Sub_Images/1100380639-2.gif
Dea th to all Taliban
Dea th to all Mullahs who are quiet, including Fazlu & Qazi
Caretaker minister terms PCO invalid
LAHORE- Caretaker Provincial Minister for Law Mahmood A Sheikh, discarding necessity of two-thirds majority of the parliament for restoration of the judges, has said an executive order by the Prime Minister is enough for this purpose.
“Those who propagate that Constitutional amendment is needed to annul the PCO and the state of emergency declared by an individual holding Presidential and Army Chief power on November 3, are labouring under a serious misgiving and lack of knowledge on the subject,” he said while giving briefing to the press here on Thursday….
(continuing the above)
He maintained that SC validation of General Musharraf’s acts have no value unless they are approved by the Parliament otherwise they would evaporate in thin air. The Provincial Minister said the question was not getting parliamentary endorsement to amend the Constitution to restore the judges but that to get the acts carried out from November 3 to December 15 passed through the parliament.
Therefore, through a simple majority resolution of the parliament was enough to disapprove the acts taken between the said dates and to bring the matter of restoration of the judges to a successful conclusion, he said. “Those who contend and claim that two-thirds of the parliament is required for the restoration of deposed judges fail to realise that in fact, two-thirds majority was required to validate the unconstitutional acts of Pervez Musharraf. So in this background the shoe is on the other foot.”
Instead of studying the life of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) and maybe doing some productive research on his life, the Beard Brigade does this.
Gives me an idea: We are facing a severe power shortage we could ask the Dutch to publish those cartoons every day. Then, attach little dynamos to the arms of these rageboys and as they pump their arms —> free energy.
Obey Thermodynamics !!
It’s the Law (3rd) !!!
Does anyone still have any doubts about PPP?
From Jang
- PPP trying to get assurances from deposed justices they will not reopen cases against Musharraf
- BB had asked us to work with Mush as his policies are exemplary – Ch. Ahmed Mukhtar
Put this beside the following:
Asif ticks off Aitzaz
Judges’ scrutiny by parliament panel after reinstatement
@ optimist
Taliban are spreading death.
Do you really have to follow their footsteps and demand death for others?
Why they are afraid of the Chief Justice?
There were many cases in the supreme court about the prescription drug mafia. There were many foreign firms involved. They had been selling substandard drugs in Pakistan. The Justices would have looked into these cases. Some of the firms were American based. The President House did not want these cases touched.
There were 14 billion dollar defense purchases in the Mush era and most were routed through Brig.(r) Niaz. Even if there was 10 % commission (normal) it would be 1.4 billion dollars. Some of it went to Musharraf. The Supreme Court could look into it.
Hence they want to keep Justice Dogar. Also the want to keep the “sex tape” judges. They will never look at the 1.4 billion. They will not look into the cases of substandard drugs. All will live happily after election and forget the poor masses.
Then 911 being inside job. How will they risk a Judge producing missing persons and unravel the 911 plot in which Musharraf was involved much before 911.
Jesse Ventura, Gen(r) Hamid Gul , Italian President, Japanese MP, and many others have said that it was an inside job. That is why the forces against Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry are too many. Soon there will be lot of money spent to malign the Chief Justice.
When will the Pakistani people understand? They are still talking of rock the boat. Are Pakistani people doomed to be ruled by the likes of Musharraf?
@geog47
One request: Please give credit to the author. You have continuously been posting comments by Abid Ullah Jan from DictatorshipWatch as your own. That is not nice.
@Aussiee
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/04/discuss-ten-greatest-worst-pakistanis/#comment-67926
aussiee on April 4th, 2008 10:56 am
” tell me the immense contribution of Allma Iqbal towards the creation of pakistan.he was only the poet n finish.agar poetry ker ke pakistan banna tha to pakistan kabhi na bannta,usss ke liye maidan amal main nikalna hota hai jaise quaid azam nikle”
It is quite unfair to say that Allama Iqbal was “just a poet”. Yes he was poet and philosopher and was a man of immense insight in Islam and had a vision about Pakistan. And is it also right that Allama Iqbal died before Pakistan was created, but nevertheless I consider him as a great Pakistani for his vision and sacrifices for Pakistan. He was the person who was instrumental in convincing Muhammad Ali Jinnah to join forces for the cause of a separate land for the Muslims.
/Saqib
If I am Assassinated – Z.A. Bhutto
Can be accessed here.
A view from India
“Junta versus Janata”
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/257744._.html
“a modern nation needs democracy and so it needs its politicians, however clumsy, corrupt, effete and power-crazed they may be. Because a military dictator can also be all of these things. The difference is, the political leader draws his power from the democratic process, so he has a stake in preserving that system, howsoever cynical he may be. The general draws his power by throttling the democratic system and its institutions and you can see the results of that in Pakistan”
@nota
I never had any doubts about the dubious and double standards of PPP, its former leader, the Biatch BB and the new snake Zardari. They are the biggest beneficiaries of NRO, how could they allow anyone to stand between them and the blanket clemency that has been given to them in the name of focking NRO.
We talk about how MQM has hijacked the people of Karachi but we do not talk about how the Bhutto family has always hijacked the mandate of the people of Pakistan. Look at how the most corrupt person in Pakistan is now so cleverly heading the largest political party of this country and for the PPP lovers, please spare me with your focking lectures on the so-called sacrifices of the Bhutto family and how nothing was ever proved against Zardari because even though there might have been false cases against the this snake in Pakistan but it was proved that he was the owner of the Surrey Palace. Also, I would like to ask how he has been able to affort an appartment in Manhatten, one of the most expensive places in the US and may be in the world?
@Amir Hameed
“I would like to ask how he has been able to affort an appartment in Manhatten”
He was winning a lot of bets from @kinnare. No, that can’t be — @kinnare never pays up.
@mbokhari
“If I am Assassinated – Z.A. Bhutto
Can be accessed here.”
A much better place is bhutto.org. There you can download “If I am Assassinated” among many other books by ZAB, including his collections of his speech.
An article detailing how banks work. EXTREMELY important to understand (though very few will bother though most are affected by it):
The Banking ‘Crisis’ …It’s A Big Club and You Ain’t In It
Another MUST READ article:
Our Learned Helplessness
“…How is it that “fear got the best of us”, and why is it that a paralyzing fear descends upon us when we consider resisting? Why is it that thoughts of “them” coming for us and locking us away, overshadow our truest human desires for Freedom, Love, Truth?
There is, in fact, a reason. It is called Learned Helplessness. One can find various websites on the respective experiments with dogs …”
Anyone interested in a TEE with this:
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Interesting read if you have some spare time. How many of you think “State bank of Pakistan” is owned by the Government of Pakistan? Of course, you say! Well you are wrong! You think it works for the interest of your country? Dead Wrong again!!! Ever wonder why the the “Governor” of the State Bank of Pakistan always comes from something like the World Bank? Well here’s the example of America & it’s Federal Reserve. Even America doesn’t “own” it’s central bank — and you think you do?
In the article it is interesting to note when the Federal Reserve gets considered a “government” entity (when it gets sued:”You cant sue us — We ae the Govt.”, “You cant tax us — we are the Govt” and when it becomes “private”.
The Federal Reserve is a Private Financial Institution — Text of court ruling and analysis
@nota: The Fed isn’t a government entity, that much is true, but does that also imply that the State Bank of Pakistan (at least technically) is also a private entity (along the same lines as the US F.R.B ?)
I can see how the economic policy is hostage to foreign interests (and not just that) but is there really a real equivalence between SBP and US-FRB ?
@nota: re: ‘learned helplessness’ .. interesting.. made me wonder if that isn’t the whole point of ‘society & civilization’ ??
In pakistan we start repressing at an early age. The fear of authority is bred into children. They grow up as ready and willing sycophants.
Just add water.
Optimist is right to point this out. WTF are Qazi and Fazlu at this prehistoric treatment of Women by the taliban????
@nota
From your banking article:
“…You can symbolise the modus operandi as a fisherman (the elite Illuminati banking families) with his rod (control of the banking system, stock markets, governments, mainstream media and, most crucially, the ‘creation’ and distribution of ‘money’ or ‘credit’)….”
Off the deep end dude….Far out !!!
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Reminds me of this:
“We all know about Luke Skywalker and his ragtag bunch of rebels, how they mounted a foolhardy attack on the most powerful, well-defended battle station ever built. Like many citizens of the Empire, I was fed this story when I was growing up. But as I watched the video, I began to realize that all was not as it seemed. But was the mighty Imperial government really too incompetent to prevent a handful of untrained nerf-herders from destroying one of their most prized assets? Or are they hiding something from us? Who was really behind the attack? Why did they want the Death Star destroyed? No matter what the answers, we have a problem.”
In an Islamic system their is no concept of 1/3rd reserved seats for women. Why didn’t MMA raise their voice on this issue? because most of the women sitting in the parliament were their relatives one way or the other.
You wont find anywhere in the world having 1/3rd reserved seats for women, even in so called democratic countries.
Conspiracy Fridays:
An article on “Crypto Jews” and the assertion that the ‘Young Turks” were actually them. (didn’t even know the term existed.. gotta love Scribd! haha)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2176239/Crypto-Jews-The-Young-Turks-Who-Were-They-2
I’m sure Recyclist and hamaradeen will jump all over this one.. My conspiratorial mind also finds this rather interesting.
The Last Moments of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto
“…It seemed like Bhutto Sahib’s eyes had exploded because of fear. His face turned yellow and dry. I cannot accurately describe the condition he was in at that time.
Then he said, “At what time? Today?” I showed him 7 fingers of my hand just like a jump master tells the time before the jump. He said, “After 7 days?” I went near him and told him, “Sir, hours.” He said, “Tonight, after 7 hours?” I answered by nodding my head in affirmation…”
@mbokhari
So are you saying there are no banking families? Or are you just rejecting the whole for the use of the word “illuminati”??
Also, this is just mind bogglingly unbelieveable
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2171770/Crypto-Jews-Belmonte-Jews
Is it possible for anyone to hide their faith for so long? for centuries? Is this just more anti-semitic propaganda by forces of evil and darkness against the pure and pavittre jews?
@mbokhari
Would like your opinion on this as well (right from the website of WTO):
WTO Announces Formalized Slavery Model for Africa
“This is what free trade’s all about,” said Schmidt. “It’s about the freedom to buy and sell anything—even people.”
Ooooo — they used the word slavery!! Too CT for you?
@hamaradeen: now all of a sudden the whole world is an example?
Why NOT seats for women if they are not allowed to freely participate in the society???
I do agree with you though that these Mullah’s are just as corrupt as the rest of the klepto-maniacs.. A point for you to ponder about as you spend your energies in the propagation of a system which is susceptible to these exact problems (and a lack of checks n balances)
@nota: dude, don’t tell me u don’t know who these guys are.. (the group behind the site u linked)
@hamaradeen
“In an Islamic system their is no concept of 1/3rd reserved seats for women.”
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You are WRONG !!!
In Islamic system there are NO seats.
Only charpais. Seats are a bid’a, Makrooh !! Chokis are OK.
wow thats a new way of understanding Islam.
In Islam there is no concept of Homo Mullahs writing comments on pkpolitics.com
@TK: you are picking the wrong people who are representing Islam. These people use Islam as a tool. I think you and I totally understand the system which islam recommends is not what is portraited by MMA or taliban.