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PRESS RELEASE APRIL 13 2008
A number of human rights activists gathered outside the MQM offices in London UK (Elizabeth House, Edgware, Middlesex) to protest against the atrocities committed in Karachi on April 9th 2008, in which a number of lawyers & innocent citizens were burnt alive and transport drivers were killed by bullet injury. These people were innocent victims of the lawlessness and the violent thuggery being practiced in Karachi by some factions of MQM.
The objective of the protest was to condemn the anti-democratic forces in Pakistan and these horrific deaths, which were allegedly carried out in retaliation for the verbal & physical abuse (punches and slaps) earlier meted out to MQM leaders, Arbab Jehangir and Dr. Niazi – as yet the culprits have not been caught. Though we condemn the abuse suffered by Mr. Jehangir and Dr. Niazi, we are united in our view that one act of violence should not be met by an even greater act of violence.
At the demonstration there was representation from the Communist Kissan Party (CKP), the Campaign for Democratic Pakistan (CDP; formerly, the Campaign Against Martial Law), lawyers, students, the PTI, PML-N and PPP, as well as other civil society members and prominent journalists, such as Dawn’s Mr. Zia-du-din. Taimur Rehman (CKP and CDP) led the sloganeering with ‘Altaf ka jo yaar hai- ghadaar hai ghadaar hai’/ ‘.
Amongst the black flags, red communist flags and PTI flags there were also posters clearly articulating feelings of the protesters regarding the MQM , such as ‘Dont burn us’, etc.
The current state of lawlessness in Pakistan is a result of Musharraf’s regime and the lack of an independent judiciary. For the people of Pakistan there is no recourse to law and state security. Thus, another common goal today was to raise our voices for the restoration of an independent judiciary.
This is a courtesy message from Pakistani Professionals in London:
Join us for a protest outside the MQM London Head Quarters to condemn the atrocities committed in Karachi against Civil Society and Lawyers.
This is one of the key goals that we as a party have been struggling for Justice!!!
Civil Society, Political Parties, Students & Others will be gathering outside the MQM HQ in London on April 13th, 2008 at 1pm at Elizabeth House, High Street, Edgware, Middlesex, HA8 7EJ.
We would like to invite all those who are against violent killings, anti- democratic forces in Pakistan and who are striving for the restoration of an independent judiciary to join us in solidarity for this demonstration.
Please do make the effort and MUST bring your own Play Cards and Posters – every single number counts!!
For additional information contact Mr. Ahmed Nawaz Wattoo at 07799214021.
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Sweeping of April9 under carpet just like May12 is to encourage another one in future even worse than either of these onez.
Lets voice to bring the culpruts of both of these incidents to justice once & for all.
I hope there will be a big protest over there in london.
Is there a way to provide “witness protection” to the “MQM workers” who were burned to death? I heard rumours on the intarnets that MQM basically took control of the dead bodies and claimed these people were their workers.
is this just LIES & PROPAGANDA against the revolutionary message of Peace that MQM is trying to bring to the whole country?
Please say …
Demonstration outside MQM headquarters ! = GREAT IDEA
(ofcourse such a thing is only possible outside Pakistan )
JUST one day notice…………….
OOH this will be difficult ADMIN BHAAAI you shouldve given a longer notice.
will the families of the protestors at london be protected from these ‘body snatchers’ in karachi?? hmmm
k i’ll be there!!
Admin bhaee, one day notice is not enough, you should at least give 3-4 days notice. I live in USA, I wish if I were there and share the protest but if you want I can arrange a telephonic speech as Altaf kutta do….kidding..
Slogans ” Naseer-ullah Babar ko wapis laoo,Mustakil kaumo maseebat sey jaan churaoo”. Qaatil Qaaatil, MQM kaatil” ” Passport UK ka politics Pakistan ki” ” bhaag Altaf, Imran aaya”
Admin bhaee, MQM is a mafia, they plan well ahead. We should also plan well ahead and invite media both british media and Pakistani media. Your protest should be recorded. Please prepare will. Call BBC urdu service right now..
I mean prepare well..
@ Iqbal …. its a good idea …. media specially BBC Urdu should be contacted . I hope it is well organized to make sure max participation.
MQM propaganda machine is very active and outspoken. They show themselves always Mazloom. They clain in each incident in Karachi whoever was killed was MQM worker or supporter. Now Pakistani society should also reply them with protests and expose them to the people of Pakistan.
We should send reports to British, Canadian, US and European Immigration offices, MQM terrorists show themselves mazloom and get assylem in these countries. I will today gather different reports online and send to Canadian Border Service Agency. There was a time when U.S consulate in Pakistan used to issue visas to MQM terrorists even on the signature chit issued by MQM mafia. Can any body tell me who was MQM terrorist who hid in the US consulate in Karachi for one year and then he US allowed him to leave through Iran, Turkey and then he took flight to USA. Dear friends, you decide these people are agensts of anit Pakistan forces..please if any one know name of that person. mention here
Some ideas for those protesting against violent, fascist, murderious regimes:
1. obfuscate your identity if you can, groucho mask, painted moustache etc (seriously)
2. be on guard for agent provacatuers. If someone is being too much of a jiyala and tries to do something heinous, alert the police.
3. Signs should be Black on White and easily decipherable on press photos..
but u guys already knew that!
Good luck boys/Gals
Re: identity obfuscation (be on guard for agent provacateurs in masks) :
http://www.johntarleton.net/wto/wto01.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pixietart/3574415/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fuzheado/73079281/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hkdollar/2316113003/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hkdigit/86076502/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/olive-tea/150580840/
@ TK
re; your first point…take it seriously…if this was an organized/thought out plan…this should have been pre-arranged. I absolutely agree with the idea of it…infact..it should become bi-monthly affair….but organize it…get the placards right..the slogans right….(if you want these facists exposed in the western media…the slogans should be in english for eg. furthermore, there should be leaflets with a history of their atrocious past with graphic images…
organize..and i am with the diehards (but i am concerned about friends and families in karachi)
Hmm, tell people we have hided our faces because MQM will kill our families in Karachi. This will go in your favor, otherwise MQM will say these are agents and this is reason hiding faces. But, MQM is not that fool to touch the relatives of people sitting in London as Altaf Kalia is living here, dont worry. Make placards and gather as many people as you can. Dont forget mega phone…or take some drums with you too , this is kind of western style. Dont think I am kidding.
@admin
If there are not many people with you, you will be in awkward position, take pledges from people you know. Gather Imran Khan party people.JI and PML (N) people. Contact their local leadership to provide you with protesters.
I really appreciate your protest on arrival of Musharraf at Downing Street.
@ admin, we salute your efforts. May Allah Bless You and Your Family.
if the admin knows the organizers, and they have plans to sustain this effort…a forum should be established…and all these issues thought out.
call a meeting…for the subsequent protest..or series of protests. again…it should be a campaign…not a sunday-feel-good protest.
a sustained effort is the way forward.
@kafka8: totally agree.. but we cannot be afraid of these terrorists anymore.. this is why I’m proposing some form of face obfuscation .. but yeah.. the protest should go on and it should put British government which is equally responsible for allowing this Mujahideen Khalq like outfit to operate from it’s terrirotry..
Look at the way MQM has established it’s hold on Karachi.. the systematic murders of ANY challengers to the power consolidations are not the work of the guy who was on TV yesterday.. embarrasing himself and his followers (and Pakistan to be honest) by his hysterical “khitaab”. These things have been done for MQM by foreign agencies who want control of the city of Karachi through proxies like AH and MQM.
UK government needs to answer for itself for harboring AH/mqm and Hizbut-Tahrir.. both detrimental to our area (latter in general, former in particular)
@TK
now you are talking…this should be a protest not only aimed at MQM but also the british govt. at NO.10 for hosting this facist…
but as i said…’material/leaflets that can be distributed…’obfuscation masks, placards aimed at both the british govt and MQM, Graphich Posters’….and the list goes on.
this should be a sustained effort against the MQM in london….and also questioning the British Authorities for allowing him to do this from their soil.
Put Nazi signs on posters.
Hey admin, why dont you contact local Pakistani student associations in London universities and request them to join? Sorry for so many posts, actually I am very axcited and want this protest to be successful.
@TK
“but we cannot be afraid of these terrorists anymore.. this is why I’m proposing some form of face obfuscation .. but yeah.. the protest should go on and it should put British government which is equally responsible for allowing this Mujahideen Khalq like outfit to operate from it’s terrirotry..”
You have already given some good advice. I would like to emphasize your above point. In my opinion the demonstrators should “attack” the British government more harshly this time for harbouring terrorists and fascists. This should be done verbally and on placards. I know there is a shortage of time, but there must be an effort to hurt MQM terrorists as much as possible and at the same time lay as much pressure as possible on the British government about harbouring terrorists.
AND also make an effort about face painting when interviewed by the press. The fear is quite genuine – especially for those people who live KHI.
/Saqib
I wouldnt have missed it for anything. How I wish I was in England right now. Your solidarity against oppression might save some lives in the future. So all those who can make it there, please dont be a slack.
Make this event a success. PLEASE show up.
@ the organizers
announce a follow up protest for the following sunday…
take into account the above discussion…
lets do this
he more life line we give to the MQM terrorists the more bold they will be. After 12.th May incidents some respected people including Mr. AA, were already talking about “forgetting” that day and which “gift” did the nation receive as a “goodwill” gesture from MQM? We received more killings that were even more savage than last time.
We must NOT compromise on loss of innocent lives – be it a rich/influential persons like BB or a poor PPPP supporters. We demand accountability for all. That is called JUSTICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/Saqib
Sorry, the first sentence shall start with “The”.
/Saqib
Here are my suggestions:
1) One day notice is short for folks living in Europe. We gotta give a week notice so that people can arrange rides, take off from work etc.
2) Great Idea, Great Idea and a Great Idea
3) Please make sure to bring Pakistani media to occasion
4) Please make sure to take ‘fire extinguishers’ with you just in case MQM force try to burn you alive there….
5) Can somebody volunteer to donate some money to admin so that protesters can make banners, signs etc
6) Please try to avoid political flags such as N leaque or Pakistan Tahreeke Insaf. We want to make it purely a ‘civil society’ show.
Good luck! and lets spread the word.
5)
sorry 5th one is here:
5) Put a picture of ‘fire extinguishers’ on the banners!!!
Here is the website which exposes MQM:::
http://mqmwatch.org/
Great idea. Take videos and picture to post.
@
aahmad
second that motion
@aahmad: good points!
I’d like to add that posters should be as simple and legible and possible (creative helps too!)
But re: 5) let us keep things simple.. so computer printouts with large font taped to the chests of the protesters is one way.. everyone can afford it .. and keeps things decentralized. if you need more, hop into a copy outlet and copy a few more.. lack of space of a printer paper will force ppl to be creative… Iraqi’s and WTO protestors have used this technique..
NO ONE HEARS SLOGANS IN A PIC. we all tend to get jazbati.. but posters are KEY!!!
Take it for granted that there will be agent provacateurs in ur crowd who will try to make you look like fools. (by planting Islamist slogans eg;) plan accordingly and inform the police about such people who are there to disrupt.. (this is against an org which is a proxy of foreign agencies.. so prepare for the worst).
@TK
your ref. to proxy of foreign agencies is valid. the great game continues to unfold. ‘pakistan’ has two foreign policy mentors; the first one has karachi …the second one is building gwadar…though the first one is trying its utmost to wrest it out of their hands.
or so i think…
@kafka8: Is this why chinese made stuff is called #2 ?? hahaha
I agree man.. but I think they’re trying to pull the rug frum under No. 2 as they are about as assertive as Zardari in a cabinet making session.
admin protest kay baad kiya vip lounge banqueting hall main lunch karwaoo gay kiya just kidding i will join tommorow.
@TK
haha…dude ur spot on! i think that is why mush took qureshi with him…!!! i think the chinese want some answers…and now.
Now i wish i were in London.
but anyhow, wish you people all the best and do make it a successful one.
A big picture, Altaf showing his british passport (and manhoos smile) should be a must thing in the protest.
I doubt Geo people would report this event but Admin, do email and contact the people from “Aaj TV” and “BBC Urdu”. I am hopeful that these two channels will show this event.
@aahmad
mate nice suggetion about having ‘fire extinguishers’ on the banners!!!
See you there………..,and let’s just try to smoke this bugger out !!
altaf bhai ki speeches mein aik tablah bajani waley ki kami zaroor hai
@ admin and others re – premimum membership!
Just a quick suggestion for those who cant afford to pay for premimum membership. I suggest all of us who cant or dont want to pay for premium memership, we can always click on all or most of the ads (google ads) on this website. This would help the admin and his team to get some revenue from the ad clicks from Google and help them lower their bandwidth bill.
Admin – I have already made a point to click as many ads and as many times as possible when ever I watch a video in order to compensate you through my ad clicks for your hard work.
Others – please do the same to keep this good work going…
agar judges bahal ho gai to mqm ka occupation kaisy chaley ga nawaz shariff ki taraf hath berhani se peh yeh zaroor soch lejeh ga
@jeera,
Clicking ads unwillingly is illegal and I won’t get any additional revenue. Further, the google ad revenue cannot pay even 10% of bandwidth bill and it will be a fruitless exercise.
Thanks,
Admin
the lawyers have anounced 17th april as protest day against the 9th april barbarity of mqm…..?
As long as M0hajarraf is there MQM will wreak havoc relentlessly. Both are a prime example of shamelessness.
Thanks Admin for letting me knw abt tht protest, INSHALLAH i will be there with my friendz.. Against these bhata khor terrorists..
I will write following lines on my palycard
“SHAME ON YOU CHORAN WALA”
Altaf is the biggest terriorist of the country who is operating outside of the Country. Shame on you Altaf. Shame on you MQM. You are not Pakistani, you are the enemies of Pakistan.
This is a very good idea. But dear it is very difficult to attend on one day notice. However, I fully back you in protest against these terrorist. Some one must remind geo tv that they played a video provided by Imran Khan in which Altaf Hussain spoke against the creation of Pakistan in India. Why dont Geo play that video almost every day to tell the nations the true face of the criminal. It is in their record. They played it once because Imran participated on the condition that they will play that Video. It is high time that We should join our efforts to unmask these terroirists. But the real terrorists are Ishrat, Sattar, Haider and Waseem and biggest of all their Chief Pattern Musharaf. The sooner we get rid of them, the better.
I wish I can go to England and join the patriotic people who feels for their country. I already have e-mailed my friends and relatives in England about the event. Spread the words please.
Munafiq Qaumi Movement should be declared a terrorist organization and its Thief Altaf aka Kala Naag should be tried for killing thousands of innocent people, now they have are committing the worst crime, burning people alive, we have to stand against them otherwise with the backing of Mushi Kutta they will play havoc in the city.
@ Khan bro
Please add a playcard by my name, if you can:
“SHAME ON YOU: BIGGEST TERRORIST KALA NAAG”
@ safshan
Inshallah I will try , or i think, i wud rather make it like this
“Shame on you : Biggest terrorist choran naag”
“Chooran Shooran Ki Sarkaar
NaheeN chalay gi, naheeN chalay gi”
ye kiss ka lahoo…………..
ye koon maraa……………..
badmash altaf bol zara………………
ALTAF “DON” ROSTING MEN WOMEN IN PAKISTAN…..
GUYZ ILL THERE ALLAH WILLING………………..
Inshallah I’ll Try my best to be there
Shame on all those people who are saying dirty words aboutAltaf Hussain , MQM and Altaf hussain is the last hope for Pakistan , is there any example in Pakistan history that a leader have control his folowers from 7000 km away, and if he say , silent 20 lac people keep silent. Muzlooms of Pakistan love him , you can not do any thing against this era.
No more fear-mongering dude. Its over. Now its not only IK but the whole community is standing against the fear-mongers.
@ takbeerehaq
takbeerehaq aka Altaf Hussain!!
i so badly wish that i could be there as well because tht Manhoos and other mushi and gang are the biggest culprits and should be stoned to death in public. I know for a fact that if someone joins the mqm they can not leave this terroist oganization other wise they kill them or torture the family. witnessed that while i was living in karachi.
To all the members who are joining the protest may Allah bless and protect you all. p;z make one playcard from me that says ALTAF GADDAR- APNI MANHOSIYAT KO LEY KAR MARR JAO- MEREY WATAN KA PEECHA CHORO-
To Admin, are you gonna report the protest details and pictures later on the site. plz plz do so because members like me will be dying to know the details.
Dear Patriotic Pakistanis, please see this Video on You tube once again and decide what Altaf Kutta and Musharrafff Kutta did to innocent Pakistanis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfZmgIYLE-Q
I have noticed with alarm that all the oaths which were taken or administered including that of PM, CM and cabinet was done in ENGLISH which is not our national language. This should be condemned because after all in the countries of the world oaths are taken in the language of that country. Plus even Quranic recitation was done in English and the guy who was doing Qirat was wearing a Western suit with tie and cap. Have we got on so much complex that we dont even like to wear our own dress for the fear that other countries might take us a extremists etc.
We Love Altaf because he is from us he is for us he fight for us
MQM is the only political party which have no feudal all belongs to middle and lower middle calss and educated.
pls name a party who give tickets to lower middle class people
only educated middle class can relaized wht problem they are facing
Pakistan is seriously suffered by feudualism and MQM is the one who challenge feuduals
GA MQM
is there a time to this event??
me thinks its very poor organization…hmmph
my bad..its 1pm…
@ paki_power,
brother if you dont know the truth about mqm and their frustrated and psyco leaders then plz do not attemp to defend them. i have lost my second cousin to this cult and she escaped the country to save her life but couldnt and her only crime was that she wanted to leave the mqm. she cannot live at her own home for so long coz altaf kutta ordered her t stay in nine zero. so dont you dare say that this is only party who thinks for poor and middle class ppl. my family has suffered alot by them and Insha`allah they all will burn in hell and their death will be so painful that people will learn lesson from it. Insha`allah.
@ paki-power
threat to feudal power ? and establishment?
1. define PML-Q and the chaudary brothers ( or are feudals okay if they support mqm barbarity? ) barbarity means darindana
2. define Gen Pervez Musharaf / Prez Pervez Musharaf (or is establishment okay if it supports mqm fascism?) fascism means mqm
I ask my Pakistani brothers in Pakistan and all over the world to save us Karachi residents from MQM. Please help us.
If one speaks against MQM in Karachi, their friends and families are constantly threatened. If they don’t stop, they are beaten up and robbed. If they still resist they are eventually murdered. These terrorists have hi-jacked our city.
Please, please, please help us. We all appreciate whatever Imran Khan is doing. He is a true brave hero.
Most urdu-speaking people are fed up with MQM. We only wish death for its terrorist rulers and workers. But we are powerless and constantly under threat. Even people’s party is openly supporting MQM.
Arbab Ghulam should have been tried in court for slapping and abusing a media person. The man constantly threatened people and talked in an extremely abusive manner. As for Sher Afghan, he should have been hanged by the courts. The man used to constantly threaten the Judicial system of the country. These men (and other thugs of Musharraf, especially the ones here in Karachi) deserve a lot worse than a few slaps or broken bones.
May Allah give Musharraf and his thugs the worst diseases so they die a slow and painful death and become an example for all. May Allah serve infinite justice as He is the only one who can do so. Amin.
I can’t believe that I just said such a prayer, but I am just sick and tired with all of these in injustices. Some times I wish the same for Zardari. The real people’s party is now Fatima Bhutto, Aitizaz Ahsan, Raza Rabbani and a few others. Zardari is being supported only by the power hungry, greedy self-interested sects of the PPP.
@c hussain
I fully agree with you. have raised my voice against it when PM took oath.
It is total sell out in the “holy” name of “enlightenment”. I think these villains want to portray our culture and language as something belonging to the “mob”.
/Saqib
@paki_power
And once those MQM middle class MPA/MNA make money they move out of the country. Means do not justify the end.
@brumby
for your information not a single MQM member have NAP case
there is no such NAP cases on MQM memebers
@ all ……….
have you got any news about today ’s protest?
Is it under way or over?
YES I JUST CAME BAACKK
Full khuwari hoie yaar.
The address Postcode was HA8 7EJ
and in my GPS I wrote typed it as HA8 7EG..
AND I WAS BL00dy LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOST!!
Aur OPER say WATOO BHAI PHONE NAHI UTHA RAHAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I M PISSSED!!!
MQM dont have a single NAB case because they only take bhatta from industrialists of Karachi and contractors of mega projects of Karachi..and that is in billions of rupees….
Congratulations to all…Shoaib Suddle is new IJ Sindh…waoo..bhaag MQM bhaag, Suddle aa gaya…
@ iqbal7200
brother can tell me more about shoaib suddle plz
for what i know from news hez a good guy………………
@ Iqbal7200
I want to know more abut siddle as well because bhatta khor have decided to sit on oppsition benches because of him.
And guys, can u believe that these bhatta khors has said that ppp didnt gave them proper protocol and didnt NICHAWAR PHOOL UN KI RAHON MAIN when they went on death anniversary of Bhutto. how pathetic.
asif zardari was playing politics with altaf.he got the vote hid P.M.
but i think all altaf wants from zardari is that they get the nazim and governer. i think zardari is very sharp the way he got rid of amin faheem i think he wants tomake it as if hez ok with musharaf but i think when the time is right he will attack him like bhutto (even tho i didnt like her when she was alive) she done a deal with him but broke it.
i think altaf cant do politics he just wants bhatta. I WONDER WHAT CALLING CARD HE USE.
the best pakistani to leads us r:
aitzaz ahsan
imran khan
later on i think fatima bhutto would be a good leader if she dont change…
i wish Z.A. bhutto and murtazabhutto were alive
Along with IG Dr. Shoaib Siddle another gift of SSP ANWER RAO is appointed in Kemari, he was also involved in operation in 1992.
This is the only solution for Bhatta Khors…
May Allah help these officers to do their duties….
Bhag Muhajir Bhag …….Shoaib Sadal Aia… Bhag Bhag Bhag … !!
Nasserullah Babar should be requested to work as ” Special Consultant”
He knows very well how to handle these killers. Yar, they burn people alive..what kind of humans are they? These terrorists should be dealt with iron hand by giving relief to our peace loving, kind and caring urdu speaking people of Karachi. Mohajir’s gave great sacrifices for pakistan and we salute them. People of Karachi should help the new govt identify and punish these barbarians claiming to be mohajir’s reps.
@ Ali
I 200% agree with you Ali. We need General Naseer Ullah Babar for these MQM killers.
@ Riddle
Please dont say “Bhaag Muhajir bhagg”. All muhajirs are our brothers, please dont say like that, take your words back my dear…change them to bhaag MQM bhaag….Thanks in advance
@ Iqbal,
I myself belong to a family who migrated from India in 1947. BUT none of us consider ourself Muhajir as We r ONLY Pakistanis after independence. I have never seen any migrated family here in Punjab who call themselves Muhajirs. Punjab had a highest number of people coming in after Independence. Then why the MQM is only labeled as Muhajir.
When I say Bhag Muhajir Bhag then it is meant for the Muhajirs of MQM who are in support of an evil philosophy of Altaf Hussain.
see Altaf kutta with UK passport smiling…laanti…he is not Pakistani guys…
http://www.mqmwatch.org/images/stories/AltafHussainBritishPassport2.JPG
Ishrat Ibad caught by UK authorities
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/06/12/nkhan12.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/06/12/ixportaltop.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4089162.stm
MQM killed Tariq Azeem
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeem_Ahmed_Tariq
see this pic of ghundaaas. memorable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Altaf_Bhai.jpg
Kidnapping of Army officers
Main article: Major Kaleem Case
Major Kaleem, who was then acting in-charge of the field intelligence unit, along with other army personnel Havaldar Moinuddin, Mohammad Yaseen and Nisar Ahmed, were sieged by armed activists of the MQM in the Landhi area Karachi on June 20, 1991. They were in the area following orders by their high ups.
They were taken to a place famously called ‘Muhajir Khail’ in Landhi, where they were tortured and kept for seven hours. It was further alleged that conspiracy was hatched under the instigation and directive of the top MQM command. The army personnel were later released and handed over to the SHO Landhi Town police. The FIR of the incident was registered on June 24, 1991.[28]
The MQM leaders were each sentenced to 27 year rigorous imprisonment by a trial court for torturing a serving major of Pakistan Army, Major Kaleem, after kidnapping him from Landhi area in 1992. [29]
However, the convictions in the trial court were overturned by a division bench of Sindh High Court in 1998. But the government had challenged their acquittal in Supreme Court. On Aug 13, 2007, government withdrew its appeal against the acquittal, consequently the Supreme Court disposed of the case and acquitted the MQM leaders. [3
@fgkhan
Here is information about Shuaib Suddle
http://www.pakspectator.com/who-is-dr-shoaib-suddle-and-tariq-lodhi/
o the utmost agony of Motahidda Qaumi Movement (MQM), Asif Ali Zardari has sent Dr. Shoaib Suddle as the new Inspector General of Sindh. Dr. Shoaib Suddle in not new for Karachi and MQM, and MQM and Karachi are not new for Dr. Shoaib Suddle. Shoaib Suddle has done it before and been there, seen it and yes done that once again.
Dr. Shoaib Suddle was DIG Karachi fro June 1995 till Nov 1996 during the second tenure of Benazir Bhutto, and the interior minister was none other than Naseerullah Baber, the man who really choked MQM’s terrorism in Karachi during that period. Naseerullah Baber owed his success in bringing law and order back to Karachi with the aid of Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi, who has also been sent to Karachi along with Shoaib Suddle as IB chief.
Dr. Shoaib Suddle has done his Doctorate in White Collar Criminology from University of Wales Cardiff. When he was looking after Karachi in the mid nineties, he was so successful that he had reduced the monthly killings of 350 in June 1995 to zero in January 1996. He has established his mole network within the cadres of MQM so deep that he was able to hear the telephonic conversations of the terrorists and he was aware of the second-by-second happenigs in the Nine Zero, the dreaded headquarter of MQM.
Though Dr. Shoaib wasn’t much willing to take on this responsibilities as he is about to retire from the service in couple of months and was serving cozily in the Police department in the lush greenary if Islamabad, but he has assigned this task by Zardari himself.
Asif Ali Zardari is pursuing a right policy of carrot and stick for MQM. At one side he is showing them power sharing opportunity in the Sindh Assembly, and on the other side he is showing them Shoaib Suddle and Tariq Lodhi. Karachiites desperately needs someone like Dr. Shoaib Suddle as MQM has once again militarized and strengthened it’s trenches and ready to give Karachi a bloodbath. One glimpse was the Nishtar Park mass assassinations of Sunni Tehrik’s whole leadership, and then came 12th May and then came the 9th April. Pakistan cannot afford more such gruesome happenings.
@Riddle
I agree with you no one is Muhajir now. Actually MQM used this world for political reasons and show themselves mazloom. I agree with you but even then please we should avoid controversial words. Thanks for understanding
@ iqbal7200
Thanks alot. really appriciate.
Any news from the protest front. anxiously waiting to hear all about it.
A report on Canadian court’s decision regarding MQM…
http://www.canada.com/components/print.aspx?id=c045bc85-f122-423e-bcad-8cc6f2f20031
ibnrazi
@takbeerehaq
Stewart Bell
National Post
Wednesday, July 18, 2007
The head of the Quebec branch of a Pakistani political party is facing deportation after the Federal Court of Canada ruled he belonged to an organization that committed terrorism.
The judge upheld the deportation of Mohammed Kashif Omer, a resident of Montreal, on the grounds he is a member of the Mothaidda Quami Movement, or MQM.
It is the second time this year Canadian courts have ruled the MQM party meets the legal definition of a terrorist organization.
Mr. Omer is one of dozens of Pakistanis whom Canadian immigration authorities are trying to deport because of their involvement in the MQM.
Despite being blamed for the kidnapping, torture and murder of its political rivals in Pakistan, the MQM has opened a Canadian branch called MQM-Canada.”
(sharm tum ko magar nahi aati)
What a great protest done by Imran Khan’s party people who can be counted on finger and they should shamed of themselves because MQM treated them well there.Now i advice Mr.Khan and his party lovers to think about something else because they have now enough time to think as they are no more in politics so its better not to leave yourself without any mission.I feel bad for Imran Khan as he has now nothing to look forward and nothing to do either HE IS COMPLETLY OUT OF PAKISTANI POLITICAL SENARIO FOREVER. He must join commentry group because he is good in creating differences and making baseless issues or he should wait untill next elections to loose again.Imran Khan’s party demonstration FAILED BADLY this is too bad.
@ Loyal2Bhai
To stand up against (d)evil and condemn, you never wait millions of people to join you but you need to just do it even if you are alone and are under threat and this is what he and his followers are doing.
Iftikhar Ch. was alone on 9th March 2007 at campus.
Imran Khan was alone who directly pointed at MQM on 12th May for killing of 50 innocent people and now almost everyone has got courage to do so because of his courageous stand.
Truth has its own strength and it never measured with number of people stand with you.
@ loyal2bhai
You guys do not have to worry abuot the Great Imran Khan and his supporters. Allah will be protecting him for his courage for standing against you bhatta khors. mqm should worry about themselves only as police has been removed from nine zero and Suddle and Ro are back for mqm gundas. mqm`s reign of terror is going to an end. Insha`allah.
Loyal2Bhai
The time that you are spending bashing the one who has given the courage to the people to stand against the mafias clearly shows your frustration.
Thats how I measure that IK is successful in his mission or not. And your frustration is telling the truth that how much weak you are today. Thanks bro for apperciating the role of IK & his Tahreek. Insaf will wash away the mafias once & for all. Its over.
No more fear-mongering tactics will work. Yesterday you guys were bashing IK for his case against the DON as he was alone. And today whole cmmunity by name are voicing against the DON his mafia MQM.
Thank God. People are transcending their fear with every passing day.
Talking to Daily Times, Naek said the formula would determine the final mode in which to restore the sacked judges. “The only thing that is to be decided now is whether a cabinet committee or a parliamentary committee will prepare recommendations on the issue,” the minister said.
Daily Times has learnt that the formula will seek to restore Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry and his fellow judges but also protect the judgements and decisions of the post-November 3 Provisional Constitution Order Supreme Court so that the restored judges cannot destabilise the polity. Simultaneously, parliament will start a process of vetting all the judges and relieve those who are not merited on one count or another. There may also be a clause in the legal reforms law package to set a formal term for the judges, including the chief justice. The current crop of PCO judges will not be arbitrarily shunted or sent packing but will be subject to the same post facto vetting process by parliament as the restored judges.
PPP’s only focus is to protect NRO>
True but then you guys should also accept that MQM has gotten peoples manidate and they are now in assemblies accept the reality and no one is soo stupid that they will support and cast there votes and gahter in millions for any terrosrist.They love MQM AND THEY SUPPORT MQM about Imran Khan is no more an isssue because his chapter is way over from politics.MQM is blessed by God and loved by people this is a fact accept it or not this is the truth.For your things to be proved wait untill next elections comes up then maybe Imran gets if not a seat in assembly then atleast a stool or even he may allowed to sit on the floor of the assembly because this time he is not even allowed to enter the gate of National assembly buliding.Thanks to the people of PAKISTAN who rejected that playboy totally.NO HEART FEELINGS ALRITE ITS A PART OF DEMOCRACY EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.
Loyal2Bhai
Oh you are back. Welcomeback. Why you guys fear from facing justice. Imran is voicing for justice since 96, when nobody was even aware of the root-cause of failure of the governments. You are aginst IK because justice & fear(MQM) cannot live together. Although you know he has no representation in current parliament, even then you are against IK, showing the level of your frustration. You know very well that yesterday IK was alone in voicing against the fear-mongering of MQM, today lawyers & civil society is with him & tomorrow even locals would raise voice against you.
You don’t allow IK even to enter Karachi, dude you are so scared from his determined stance that have encouraged today to lawyers & media to voice against you by name.
Dude now decide yourself that who is successful in his mission IK with no representaion in parliament or MQM with tens of parliamentarians.
Imran is taking the fear out of the minds of people & they have started to believe that the more they fear the more the DON would be crual.
People don’t want any more April11, 2006, May12, 2007 & April9, 2008.
What I am thinking is that you are so scared of IK even hes not Karachi for so long. What would be the case if IK was in Karachi for all this time.
I think you should voice against all those people who have gunned down your members(May12) instead of wasting your time against IK who has nothing to do with all of this(atleast this one you would agree)
Loya2Bhi,
Please read this and act quickly
http://jang.com.pk/jang/apr2008-daily/14-04-2008/update.htm#03
Please report @ nine zero. Your services are urgently required.
And Tell Your brother “tera kia baney ga Kalia”
Dear Freinds
Salam
News abt todayz protest,
.
There were about 30 to 40 ppl in the protest,
I saw only one news reporter from dawn.
MQM pimps were watching us from their secretrait office, but they cudnt do anything (bcz this is nt karachi) .
u know “Choran wale ko itna zalil kiya” infront of his pimps
ppl wrote nice nd funny solgan on play cards.. But the most intrestin thing tht i liked was, “aik protestor altaf choran wala ki pic comote k cover pe chipka k laya”
overall it went fine..
expect more violence and bloodshed in Karachi now.
Only 30-40 people – Wah ji Wah. Azeem UL Shan Jalsa.
PPP will beat MQM ass. Just wait and see.
saqibtahir
Even gathering of 30-40 people with one day notice from a group of people in west means a lot. And see on April 17 in Pakistan how the lawyers & civil society nationwide will gather & record their protest.
And don’t forget it was IK alone who stood against the DON just less than a year ago(May12). Now the lawyers, civil society & media is also openly condemning MQM for their barbaric acts by name, first time ever. Its all due to IKs determined stand, voicing against the terror of MQM boldly at all levels. IK successfuly taking fear out of the minds of common man. That today people like Justice Tariq Mehmood openly condemn MQM by name. Its the great achievement which would encourage not to bow to fear-mongers.
MQM is so scared of IK that didn’t even allow IK to enter in Karachi. Just because IK is taking fear out of the peoples mind. And one more thing Justice & fear-mongers cannot live together. So anyone who would voice for justice MQM will go after him/her whether its IK or someone else.
Today’s protest, small or big does not matter, courage to say in front of such dangerous group is admirable.
Jugnoo Ki Roshni bhi kafi hay shab-e-tareek ki teerigi to fana karney ko.
See those who dare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuehXw2_eIw
Pakistan has communist parties??? Does Qazi hussain ahmed know about them…?
were these are the pictures of actual protest / rally or whatever?
there were hardly 20-25 ppl in it. i see more ppl at barber shop on weekend. i m hoping that these are not the pictures of actual protest.
the most i count in a picture is 17 and looks like they were all PTI supporter. No wonder PTI is a flop party. if they did not have enough persons they should not have done that protest.
It is heartening to see the Communist Party demonstrating against the MQM terrorists. The sad part was the lack of enthusiasm from the otherwise huge Pakistani Community based in London. I hope the next demonstration would be bigger, with better placards.
even they did not have proper banner, they just wrote something on a paper sheet. this protest is a laughing stock for mqm
just look at the mqm rally, mqm sure does not know how to bring ppl in rallies
http://www.daylife.com/photo/054O46Y4KKaKW
This protest was too good i swear i can see only 15-20 people standing and most of them dont know what to do.God why didnt Imran Khan got some support from his ex wife iam sure she must have helped him again as before by arranging paid people and also in UK you can find many drunk people who just need money and they will stand the whole day for the one who paid.The advice given to Imran Khan to do the protest was very wrong and iam if he is right many Pakistani’s live in UK they must have joined him but its sad that our ex captain and cricket hero is loosing his brain by doing such foolish attempts to give negative image for a political party which is strongand popular among the people of Pakistan and has a big vote bank . Propoganda to certain limits seems okay but this is way too much and nobody going to believe after seeing the pictures of this HUGE PUBLIC PROTEST OF 20 PEOPLE.
Pakistan has as many parties as there are Pakistanis.
The protest was a poor show. Anyways, so what is the real deal?
Dr. Shoaib Suddle has been appointed as IG Sindh Police. This is a very positive development. The man has high standards, is extremely honorable, and best of all very brave and courageous. I just hope that he is allowed to function with maximum power and independence (something rare in Pakistan). He should stay at least 5 to 10 years. The man is very capable.
If anyone is the answer to Karachi’s crime and terrorist activities, it is Dr. Suddle.
May Allah be with you and protect you, Dr. Shoaib Suddle.
Bring any suddle any Naseerullah baber or any one else, this time MQM is ready for the task, We will fight to the teeth and this time I can gurantee you we will have the country Qauid-e-Azam had envision for us 60 yrs ago. Karachi belongs to MQM and only MQM, This time we will take the 70 Clifton and will move it to Garhi Khuda Buksh . MQM is more organised then our pathetic Jawan’s. All of you haters, please tell me who will fight with MQM, police or the rangers? what a joke. They cant even fight with pathans
how they gonna manage to keep up with us. And all of the IK supporters, he is a laughing stock, don’t you think? A man with no results.
THE PROTEST GO NOWAY IAM SORRY IMRAN KHAN BUT U COULDNT GET WHAT YOU WERE EXPECTING IT WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE OF YOURSELF AND AS WELL AS OF YOUR SOO CALLED PARTY.
I live in canada and here Mqm is working and that story was very old and it didnt actually effected Mqm anyways.Iam not a worker or not a part of any political party but as a nutral person i would say that Mqm has strength even though too many false attempts has been made on it but still people has attachments with it and they dont believe on things against Mqm they are very much emotionally attached to this party.If soo many people are some how affiliated with one political party that means that party has importance and i have seen Pakistan Peoples Party when Benazir was alive that people were crazy about her and her party and after that Mqm is one party which is getting upto the same mark of popularity and the leadership is also being praised by the common people of Pakistan.We as a civilized nation should accept the truth and this is democracy also.Say wrong when it is wrong but atleast say yes when things are being appreciated and accepted by the whole nation.Mqm has improved in many senses and iam sure they can deliver much better in future.Pakistan is our country and people living there are our brothers, We all wants Pakistan to be the top most country of the world and inshallah this will going happen if we develop tolerance,patience and acceptance in our ownselves. Long Live Pakistan
lol yeh “protest” protest ke naam pe dhabba hai. someone tell imran khan not to organize such protests if he cant get enough people. there were hardly 10-20 people there.
americandesi ,
MQM Haqiqi will kick MQM ass.
Well done Londoners!
Here number doesn’t matter but courage and you showed it.
Keep it up.
To all the ppl who attended the protest yesterday. BRAVO. you guys rocked and especially Choran wala`s picture on toilet seat cover. It was the best photo frame for the guy(sorry he is n Guy but ********). And for all the members who are critisizing please you have to give them some credit that they have the courage to go and stand there, and right infront of the terrorists and condemn the bhatta khors.
small or large the numbers did not count in biggenings because gradually ppl will start coming to the events like this. Atleast the process has started. I dont recall any other protest right in front of the HQ of bhatta khor.
Can some genious MQM Basher explain me that why the provincial government of Sindh has withdrawn all the cases registered against PPP workers for 27th December 2007 and onwards riots,mass looting and burnning folks alive cases?
are we having double standards here? or there are different set of rules for the same game?
@Saqib
Saqib I really appreciate your views on different topics. All the guys here are well aware about the real issues. In todays world this is called revolution.
Once our education system is changed then you will never see any parties like MQM or Q league in future INSHALLAH
MQM new slogan should be
Lay kay rahain gay Quidistan
Butt kay rahay ga pakistan
In Europe ,protest of even 5 persons is considered successful. I salute the courage of these protestor who stood against these terrorists right infront of their door. Not many have balls to do that,especially if it is is start of fight for justice against terrorists because many fear retaliation.
If any of the critics have read American civil right moments, he/she should remember that initially in some cities only 4 to 5 people stood against the curelity of whites by arranging small sit ins etc and with time the protests grew to hundreds and thousands.
So the courageous souls who come out for such kind of protest, even in small number need encouragement and our full support.
Those who can’t come out openly against such terrorists lose any moral ground to critize the small number of protestors. It was Imran Khan who challenged MQM and Altaf when they were in full control at Center and Sindh. Only a fearless person like him can do that. This has helped in removing fear from the minds of many and now we see what is happening to MQM.
It is heartening to see our youngsters feel strongly enough for Pakistan to protest this way. The number of people doesn’t really matter because at least they did something about what they believe in unlike us sofa polititions who do nothing or think there is no point as it wont make a difference.I have a lot of admiration for all those stood for their beliefs ..they represented all those people too who were unable to be there with them but were there in spirit ! Very courageous of all of you!
too many alls in my statement..sorry about that! got a bit carried away with my emotions!
I salute all the courageous who went to the protest.
Numbers dont matter…… in London i am sure many of us including me cant even collect 10 people for dinner ….yet the many who attended made it a succeful protest
The Courageous stood right in front of the ruthless Chief Qatil & Terrorsist and his wolves….The wolves, although were many in number hid inside and did not have the courage to come out to face The Courageous….thats a success
Facing a terrorst is not easy: Even when the police is faced with confronting only one terrorist they go in hundreds, with all the bullet proofs, bomb explosion experts, helicoptors, guns, trained marksmen and much more…..but The Corageous went to face hundreds of these terrorsist/wolves armed with only their playcards….. WOW
Salute to all those souls who can walk the talk and talk the walk. Bravo!
Keep it up. Have sponatneous protests on regular basis. Spread the word. Learn the art of protesting. Become centre of gravity for all future Pak political activities in London. Light the fire. Rewards are alot greater then the effort, individually or collectively. Good luck.
silly protester.. what they are protesting? who altaf? gora ppl think these people at carwash
why waste time brather and sister? do it the right way or do not waste the time.. why the organiser must think of it twice next time of protest. very courageous but I heard it once a saying “do not work hard but smart” it means too much work is bad.. but little work is good if it is with smartness (means aqlmandi -not handsome)
a. hafiz.
Good show by some brave people!! Here is the news of protest reported in the Dawn.
http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/14/top9.htm
MQM is mafia who has held Karachiites hostage since last 25 years…………………..Killings, extortion, bullet riddled bodies, strikes are the presents given by MQM to Karachiites……
Its hight time that government stop backing MQM and Altaf should be brought back to Pakistan and should be brought to justice ………..
I hope MQM shall change its attitude and bring a ve change in it becoz its 2008 and not 1995……..
Definitely a courageous act on the behalf of People of Pakistan. BUT the organizers should have planned a little better, may be early promotion would have brought more people BUT only 15 people in protest does not look good against ALTAF Gunda & Co. MQM will have a chance to say that “only few” people are against us. I agree to what some 1 said ” Dont work hard.. work smart ! “
How MQM target and killed opponents…
http://www.dawn.com/2003/10/16/local2.htm
I appreciate all those people who attended, they are much better than those who just talk.
But on other hand, overall it was a poor show, there were hardly 20 people. We have seen much bigger attendance on similar issues recently.
Too bad for Imran Khan but onething is good and the people who were present there from Khan side got happy when they were served with Tea and Sweets from MQM. Imran would have taken help from Jamaima maybe he could achieve 1% of his goal no problem better luck Khan sahab next time till your kids gets to your age dont stop doing negative politics keep your sprits high thats all.Whatever the opinions are i respect them because its good to have differences in opinions it is healthy and i also appreciate Mr.Rayan a journalist from Canada who wrote on this page few very good things and his motivation impressed me i wish him best of luck. MQM is the only reality and the other agencies made groups has no value that you also know if u ask yourself honestly you will get the answere.Mr.Shoaib Suddle is now IG Sindh so i also hope he works positively and not just target anyone.Mutthaida Long Live
MQM are Murderers, Bhatta Khooor, Harram Khooor, Altaf Kuttta was the son of ISI Basters. If anyone want peace and tranquility in Karachi and Pakistan, MQM Harrammis must be wiped out and burried in Arabian sea, otherwise forget about peace in Karachi. How can you expect peace from these MQM basters, working for RAW.
to rayan and the other mqm fans, bashing about their popularity.
Your popularity was clear enough in the last elections
. ur dude had 100,000 votes and the other dude was just wacking off at 5000. A relative of one of my good friend was elected as well.. and he sweared upon Lord that they rigged like nething, more then 80,000 votes poll on rigging .. so lets no go there…
people of karachi can well tell of the popularity of the hot altaf hussain and the sesxy mqm…!
i hav no question to raise here for mqm lords.. but have some mercy towards the poor people, dont kill them dont burn them… u ll pay for 12 may and many other atrocities.. if not here then in the next world… u can come here and lie ur arse off about how beautiful altaf and his mqm is… but come on ground realities and think about it…
they have a right to protest and they accomplished it. history will never forget about how anti musharaf protesters suffered chemical attack; the humiliation mqm haqiqi protesters had suffered at the press club.
@SaleemAhemd
Your comments lack maturity. Who broke this country? Who formed this country? We all know who did. Urdu speaking communities in karachi are kids of those people who gave huge sacrifices for the creation of this country even they knew Pakistan would not be formed in areas where they lived. So do not insult those people who made this country.
@americandesi
Your comments are thought provoking and correctly reflects current situation in Karachi. Today’s MQM is very different from the MQM of 1992 when it suffered hugely under so-called operation which resulted in large number of deaths of innocent people. MQM is now more organised, well disciplined and highly resourceful and powerful, and on top of that they enjoy support of Establishment. People who are talking of taking MQM are naive and unaware of current socio-political situation of Karachi. Daydreaming or expression of anger on any Blog’s pages is one thing; understanding the ground reality is another. Karachi is financial capital of Pakistan and any repeat of past mistakes would be costly and dangerous. Only policy of Mufahimat and mutual tolerance for our fragile political democracy will work to resolve any issues whether it is continuing problem of religious extremism in NWFP or movement of lawyers. Long Live Pakistan
@fareed
You did not tell us what changes in our current education system will end MQM and PML-Q?
I hope after a few hunderd years, you guys would get over this ‘creation’ part and get on with the construction part. Or atleast give up the destruction part.
What did protest of 20 people get in London? People have the right to protest against anyone anywhere; this is their birthright. So what difference did it make to MQM? Answer is none. People always forget that MQM enjoys huge support base in Urban Sind and by simply refusing a party’s mandate does not solve any problem. Confrontation breeds confrontation. Take example of PPP, Zia Govt did everything to finish off PPP even hanged Bhutto, exiled the rest leadership but PPP is still today the largest political party in Pakistan. Bhutto and Altaf (their Left leaning policies, socialism, and secularism) are now name of ideology which will continue to grow in the future politics of Pakistan.
Decide by yourself “April9 to April15″
http://express.com.pk/epaper/Article.aspx?newsID=1100388209&Date=20080415&Issue=NP_LHE
@takbeerehaq
Makafat e Amal YES i agree, so Altaf/Ishrat etc should not forget as well.
Allah Zaalim ko Zalim kay haath say sazaa dayta hay. dont tell me that MQM is an innocent party.
a must read article by Javed Chaudry in Daily Express
any lesson learnt from indiscrimnite killing of ordinary Pakistanies in Karachi on 9 April and 22 May by MQM?
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100388209&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20080415
I believe that even though Mqm may had made mistakes in the past but during the last tenure they really worked in the favor of the people of Sindh and Karachi this is a fact especially City Govt did alot and backed by Governor who is a nice person.Mqm is popular and this is a reason that people are crazy about it like today i found out here in Canada that Mqm had a huge workers meeting in Karachi so if people are not in favour Mqm then now atleast they can say simple NO to Mqm because PPPP goverment is also now doing many things against Mqm and they would have helped people to get over Mqm but this didnt happened people went they attend and they also supported all decision made in todays meeting or Jalsa.My point here is that we should talk about constructive politics and we should deal everyone equally but on this board everyone is after Mqm why not Imran Khan,Jamat-e-Islami, ANP, JUI,PML(N) PML(Q) and many more why only Mqm.This gives me a slight idea that this is only do negative propoganda and to give negative image of one popular party who is the 2nd largest political party in Sindh.Lets not hold just one be realistic and honest with youreslf.
People will forget the past but MQM Harrammis are repeating the same tactics yand will never change. They killed 50 innocent people in Karachi on May 12, 07 and the Musharraff Kuttta , Swar ka bacha called it a show of strength. They killed six lawyers by burning them alive and again Retired Begharrat the great Mush Kutta called it a reaction of Sher Afghan kutta. What kind of reaction is this, hhhhha
We are not fools and Pakistani are not fools and will never forget when MQM killed innocent pathans and innocent Punjabis, who’s only fault was that they immigrated to Karachi to earn their bread. They are the sons of the soil and did not come from India with bogus degrees and metric certificates. MQM is doomed to vanish and InshAllah will be buried in Arabian Sea. The Harramis are sponsored by ISI and Establishment who are basters and will doom to die too.
MQM is no more a terrorist party.It is the biggest political party of the biggest metropolitan city of Pakistan.Do you think the 2 carore people of this city are fool in giving this huge mendate to MQM.My dear friends the fact is that MQM is the only party which saved so many times the karachi city from the Shia Sunni clashes.This is the only party who is seriously and sincerely interested to develop Karachi and this is crystal clear by the performance made by the present MQM city Nazim Mustafa Kamal in the last five years,specially in the area of transport.The people who are against MQM are those who are not the citizen of Karachi or those who not aware of the ground realities.No party has suffered as much loss of their people and workers as MQM did during the operation in 92 and 15,000 MQM supporters were killed in extra judicial killings,so we sacrificed our lives during the creation of Pakistan and even after that……Why???? Are we being punished for sacrificing our lives for the great cause of Pakistan…. we lost our family, our properties,our established businesses there in India and now even after getting independence we are being killed by our own people in our own city.Karachi is paying more than 65% tax and revenue of the total figure!So what these handful people are actually trying to prove???
@Syed Yagoob: bro, that’s all fine and dandy, but what about their fascist acts? Hitler and his Nazi party did wonders for Germany, but they enventually caused the ruin of the whole nation. A lot of the advances in the modern world were achieved by the nazis (Rockets, guided missiles, Volkswagon Beetle (yup — hitler designed), Jet Engine technology, Digital computers & encryption technology… not to mention a miraculous turn-around in the economy)…
Actually MQM’s achievements compared to the complete incompetence of the previous local govts look great, but it’s all relative…. many of the bridges built have already collapsed as well.. (I’m just sayin…)
MQM could be the voice of the middle class of Pakistan, but look at its terrorist and fascist actions.. they have hijacked the interests of the most literate population in Pakistan and a bunch of violent people have a “Hold” over a city like the Jamaati’as used to have over student buildings…
Unfortunately MQM-A has moved away from its professed objectives (from the litrature that I have read on their site). They are not the populist party and they will fall apart as soon as the proactive intelligence and coercion network is disabled… I see MQM-H gaining in that scenario. They are already in the process of being released.
BTW, regarding the “Partition Guilt Trip” Karachi is not the only place and MQM-A is not the only representative of “muhajirs”.. Technically there shouldn’t be any muhajir after 60 years and 3 generations of Pakistanis. If people still cling to that identity,, then they are the ones deluding themselves as they give everyone else the guilt trip.
Btw, I’m sure you know most of the massacre stricken Muhajir’s are setteled in Punjab and they are the most peaceful, hardworking and most integrated of the lot! Hopefully it won’t come to you as a surprise that Mian Nawaz Sharif himself is a “muhajir”..
Problem with KHI is that various UP based politicians (Liaqat Ali Khan I think) tried to create lifelong constituencies by creating ghettos in Karachi where they and their coming generations would always be sure of getting comfortable majorities.. Not only that.. they would have a comfortable majority in “the capital”… well.. the capital gambit didn’t work for too long.
We have now these large concentrations of ppl in one place and that is the cause for problems because it is sad that people still think in terms of UP/Bihar identities instead of thinking of themselves as Paksitanis/Punjabi’s/Sindhis… (Iknow Muttahidda very recently started saying “new sindhi” but go and look at MQM activist comments on Youtube.. You will see a GA Mohajir ever 2 comments… The thing is.. Pakistani’s are smarter than this.. they are not that easy to fool.. so isn’t it time Muttahidda actually renounced the politics of fear and murder and mayhem and started acting like other parties with the same level of mandate?
I think it would actually be better for ppl of KHI to stay with Pakistan instead of going with the stupid plans that UK/US are pushing … this will only cause murder and mayhem for them as the foreigners will quickly take over. Unfortunately it will NEVER become a hong kong… (I know that’s the wet dream of many a “seperatist Mohajir Chauvanists”.)
@TK:You looks very mature in your thoughts & knowledge and I am much junior to you,but unfortunately being a loyal Pakistani your comments about Nawab Liaqat Ali Khan is totally unacceptable my friend!You know he had every thing in India and was the finance minister that time, he was not in Pakistan for power and wealth!
Muhajir never tried for separate identity as Muhajir!but yes they were forced to do so at times…….They want to be a Pakistani thats why they lost & sacrificed everything in India.This is the wrong approach you are taking to analyse the citizen of Karachi and so called Muhajirs.I mean why you are using UP and Behar terms…Does any one among the MQM is saying that he belongs to this and that state of India??My dear friend the definition of Muhajir is I think very simple…the one who migrated from India to Pakistan..the one who sacrificed and lost every thing during partition and not the one who were already there!!Unlike Muhagirs the Pathans are clearly demanding for a separate province as Pakhtonistan…you ppl never blamed them why???bcos you only hate the migrants from the day one!!I will not say any thing more to you but my only request to you is that you should atleast correct your views about the great leader Nawab Liaqat Ali Khan…bcos I don’t think that any pakistani could have such a negative perception about him who had being a prime minister,only Rs.11 in his bank account at the time of his death in PINDI.
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syed yaqoob
my forefathers migrated from India …during migration we gave every kind of sacrifices but i never said i m Muhajir etc.
nobody hates me being a migrant ……nobody said anything to me ….
thing is very simple if MQM do not change its mafia policy (which i m afraid it will not) and burning people live and taking custody of dead bodies , bhatta khori , torture then please do not expect people to appreciate them…any those who vote and support this mqm mafia are equally responsible for their crimes……you should realize that……there are mafias in every part of country but its only the karachi where people vote for a mafia ..i am sorry to say but it is reality
@Syed Yaqoob: dude.. I gave the example of Punjabi migrants .. we don’t have the same problem there.. why? I’m not trying to argue with you because it seems you have already made up your mind.. but I was trying to explore the reasons as to why the people in KHI have different outlook on things especially identity than the so called “Muhajirs” in other areas… who gave equal if not more sacrifices.
I think you are also talking in cliches and stereotypes (just different from the ones you accuse me of.. .though I think I tried to avoid cliches.. maybe it wasn’t successful)
cheers.
BTW, I don’t have a problem with a separate province for Pukhtunkwh and KHI.. .. We should have more provinces at division level IMO.. I think these huge provinces bigger than most european countries are more liabilities and less assets AFAIAC!
@sleepingnation & @TK
I think this is not the time to fight against each other!!!we should use this channel in a constructive way…..Ok leave this topic!!I do accept that there were mistakes MQM did in the recent pastPls pls don’t call them Muhajirs again!!if you can’t say them Pakistani..we all are Pakistanis and we should work together for a better PAKISTAN…We should compare our nation with other in different areas like Economy and should really work hard and sincerely to strengthen Pakistan!!!we ppl are not politicians…so pls leave the Politics for the Politicians and just end this useless debate!!
@TK
Sir, would you elaborate more on how and why “various UP based politicians (Liaqat Ali Khan I think) tried to create lifelong constituencies by creating ghettos in Karachi”. I thought MQM or the mindset behind it was a phenomenon of the 80s but your stating that it started all the way from Liaquat Ali Khan is new to me. Do you want to suggest that Liaquat Ali Khan also fell to the level of constituency politics. Wasn’t he above all this? Didn’t he consider the whole of Pakistan his constitutency? If he was so obsessed with this, why on earth he thought of moving to Pakistan, leaving a huge estate or what you call a constituency back in India. Secondly, if ever such thoughts crossed his minds, what role the Daultanas and Mamdots of Punjab had to play in it. Please respond
@hamidwattoo: I’m not going to get entangled in this, and maybe you can elaborate on the mamdot/daultana connection if you like. I only see one thing. A MASSIVE influx of indian migrants (UP/Bihar) into Karachi.. Why?
Why weren’t they settled in multiple areas of Pakistan instead of concentrating in two cities of Sindh? Why Karachi especially? Karachi was a small city (certainly no fishing village like some people like to pretend, Karachi had public transport system etc.)
Karachi was going to be the capital of the country. This is my reasoning that the population influx was allowed as a “last line of defence” … anyways.. this is my own theory and maybe you can correct this.
The 80’s phenonmenon is the result of the BREAKDOWN of the earlier strategy of covert control through identity politics.. (I have had posts on this long before .. and I was accused of various things.. but I’m just trying to understand the issues by making assertions and then learning from people’s responses — I’m no expert..)
I want to hear about mamdot’s and daultana’s and how that ties into LAK ? maybe that is what I have heard and attributed to L.A.K ?? thx.
@TK AND @hamidwattoo
Thnx for yr uncleared respons to Hamid Watto!!My request is to you that you should not impose your identity politics idea when you are himself not clear about that!This is very much clear that LAK was the only Muhajir who was being taunted un ethically by Daultanas and Mamdots of Punjab and finally he was murdered!There was no connection no linkage at all b/w this great leader and the present MQM.
MQM was started for your kind consideration from a talba tanzeem (AMPSO) and now they have stepped down from the identity politics by having a Mutaheda Qaumi Movement.
You said “but I’m just trying to understand the issues by making assertions and then learning from people’s responses — I’m no expert..)
If this is the case then don’t be judgemental in your views.
LAK was the greatest Patriot of Pakistan !!what THEY did with him.
@Syed Yahoob: being judgemental and opinionated brings out peole’s true feelings about an issue and that is an opportunity to learn. IMO, my opinions point in the right direction.
One of those vague markers is the massive influx of people of one ethnicity into Karachi and eventually in Hydrabad. Can you please give me your opinion of why this happened? Don’t tell me this was a “mere accident”….
There were many patriots in Pakistan. The infighting started almost immediately after creation of Pakistan, and the LAK murder was one of the few first events to wrestle control of Pakistan from democratic forces and hand it over to the foreign proxies like Ayub and iSkandar Mirza.
I don’t know why you assumed that I am imposing my identity politics.. its just a theory I have. It can be right or wrong. I have tried to elaborate on my thinking on Pakistani politics in terms of identity politics and how that has been key in defining who gets to rule Pakistan. We have managed to wreck the country and made it subjugated to foreign powers in the process.. but as long as one group wins over all others.. HEY.. what’s the big deal? (and by that “one group” I don’t mean the usual red-herring “The big bad Punjabis”).
respect syed yaqoob,.. 20 million people didnt giv out the mandate for the hot politics of mqm… yes i hav respect for the dude whose the nazim of karachi… but man… if you think the mandate is this big.. just spend a day… and go talk to people… show them love and ask them… how much love they hav for mqm…. i m sure u ll get ur answer straight up…
tk … respect for the punjabi muhajir’s point you mentioned there
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My adivce is also that one should spend a day in a lower middle class area of Karachi and then find out what they had to say about MQM.The only political movement who in real raised the voice on behalf of 98% middle class people and also from them people got elected.The only movement who’s leader has never ever thought of getting any goverment seat.There are some negative issues related to MQM but all are not true and if we discuss about negative issues then why not we discuss about positive issues also like Mr.Rayan said i agree with him there should be a fair game.Those who think that goverment can crush MQM by using force like before so they should also know that at that time also many MQM office bearers,workers,supporters and common people got killed but even then MQM survives.MQM is the only one who has faced the worse state operation but didnt gave up still fighting for the rights of common man and inshallah iam sure if the govt will repeat the same thing again then this time they will going to get a proper answere from the people of Karachi.If people are soo against of MQM then why they even voted for them and you cannot say that every single vote is being cast under pressure because people in Karachi are not that stupid they know what they are doing.Many people do have certain reservations against MQM but this is not true that the whole Karachi is against MQM and people of Karachi will not going to accept any kind of state operation against any political party of Pakistan not just only MQM. This our Pakistan and everyone has the right of freedom goverment has no right to misuse its power which is given by the people.If people can give they can take also for example some of the past goverments tenure are enough to proof my point here.
Altaf is stigma on Pakistan.He is coward and paranoia of his life.he know even his 16 millions Karachi supporters can not safe him in karachi.The only leader who admit he is afraid to go back for his dear life.he act like a Serial killer but still very Coward person.
You people are very unfamiliar about ground reality. You all and Imran Khan can never stay front of any grass root level worker of MQM you people have no idea who you deal with we have seen so many up & downs we can be flower and can be stranger to any one we have a history. History which speaks it self . I did not need to even comment on it but just.Like that. In our city Imran Khan like a foreign politician who works for Jews. I think its enough. G A . ALTAF . GA. Muttehda
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