Comments on: Protest at MQM HQ London – Sunday 13 April 2008 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 10:27:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Nasir MQM http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-225630 Nasir MQM Thu, 25 Jun 2009 06:45:04 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-225630 You people are very unfamiliar about ground reality. You all and Imran Khan can never stay front of any grass root level worker of MQM you people have no idea who you deal with we have seen so many up & downs we can be flower and can be stranger to any one we have a history. History which speaks it self . I did not need to even comment on it but just.Like that. In our city Imran Khan like a foreign politician who works for Jews. I think its enough. G A . ALTAF . GA. Muttehda You people are very unfamiliar about ground reality. You all and Imran Khan can never stay front of any grass root level worker of MQM you people have no idea who you deal with we have seen so many up & downs we can be flower and can be stranger to any one we have a history. History which speaks it self . I did not need to even comment on it but just.Like that. In our city Imran Khan like a foreign politician who works for Jews. I think its enough. G A . ALTAF . GA. Muttehda

]]> By: 2BRNOT2BPakistani http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-111081 2BRNOT2BPakistani Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:14:35 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-111081 Altaf is stigma on Pakistan.He is coward and paranoia of his life.he know even his 16 millions Karachi supporters can not safe him in karachi.The only leader who admit he is afraid to go back for his dear life.he act like a Serial killer but still very Coward person. Altaf is stigma on Pakistan.He is coward and paranoia of his life.he know even his 16 millions Karachi supporters can not safe him in karachi.The only leader who admit he is afraid to go back for his dear life.he act like a Serial killer but still very Coward person.

]]> By: Loyal2Bhai http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72982 Loyal2Bhai Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:05:33 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72982 My adivce is also that one should spend a day in a lower middle class area of Karachi and then find out what they had to say about MQM.The only political movement who in real raised the voice on behalf of 98% middle class people and also from them people got elected.The only movement who's leader has never ever thought of getting any goverment seat.There are some negative issues related to MQM but all are not true and if we discuss about negative issues then why not we discuss about positive issues also like Mr.Rayan said i agree with him there should be a fair game.Those who think that goverment can crush MQM by using force like before so they should also know that at that time also many MQM office bearers,workers,supporters and common people got killed but even then MQM survives.MQM is the only one who has faced the worse state operation but didnt gave up still fighting for the rights of common man and inshallah iam sure if the govt will repeat the same thing again then this time they will going to get a proper answere from the people of Karachi.If people are soo against of MQM then why they even voted for them and you cannot say that every single vote is being cast under pressure because people in Karachi are not that stupid they know what they are doing.Many people do have certain reservations against MQM but this is not true that the whole Karachi is against MQM and people of Karachi will not going to accept any kind of state operation against any political party of Pakistan not just only MQM. This our Pakistan and everyone has the right of freedom goverment has no right to misuse its power which is given by the people.If people can give they can take also for example some of the past goverments tenure are enough to proof my point here. My adivce is also that one should spend a day in a lower middle class area of Karachi and then find out what they had to say about MQM.The only political movement who in real raised the voice on behalf of 98% middle class people and also from them people got elected.The only movement who’s leader has never ever thought of getting any goverment seat.There are some negative issues related to MQM but all are not true and if we discuss about negative issues then why not we discuss about positive issues also like Mr.Rayan said i agree with him there should be a fair game.Those who think that goverment can crush MQM by using force like before so they should also know that at that time also many MQM office bearers,workers,supporters and common people got killed but even then MQM survives.MQM is the only one who has faced the worse state operation but didnt gave up still fighting for the rights of common man and inshallah iam sure if the govt will repeat the same thing again then this time they will going to get a proper answere from the people of Karachi.If people are soo against of MQM then why they even voted for them and you cannot say that every single vote is being cast under pressure because people in Karachi are not that stupid they know what they are doing.Many people do have certain reservations against MQM but this is not true that the whole Karachi is against MQM and people of Karachi will not going to accept any kind of state operation against any political party of Pakistan not just only MQM. This our Pakistan and everyone has the right of freedom goverment has no right to misuse its power which is given by the people.If people can give they can take also for example some of the past goverments tenure are enough to proof my point here.

]]> By: maniq http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72875 maniq Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:57:15 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72875 tk ... respect for the punjabi muhajir's point you mentioned there :). tk … respect for the punjabi muhajir’s point you mentioned there :) .

]]> By: maniq http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72870 maniq Wed, 16 Apr 2008 17:52:29 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72870 respect syed yaqoob,.. 20 million people didnt giv out the mandate for the hot politics of mqm... yes i hav respect for the dude whose the nazim of karachi... but man... if you think the mandate is this big.. just spend a day... and go talk to people... show them love and ask them... how much love they hav for mqm.... i m sure u ll get ur answer straight up... respect syed yaqoob,.. 20 million people didnt giv out the mandate for the hot politics of mqm… yes i hav respect for the dude whose the nazim of karachi… but man… if you think the mandate is this big.. just spend a day… and go talk to people… show them love and ask them… how much love they hav for mqm…. i m sure u ll get ur answer straight up…

]]> By: TK http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72856 TK Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:55:26 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72856 @Syed Yahoob: being judgemental and opinionated brings out peole's true feelings about an issue and that is an opportunity to learn. IMO, my opinions point in the right direction. One of those vague markers is the massive influx of people of one ethnicity into Karachi and eventually in Hydrabad. Can you please give me your opinion of why this happened? Don't tell me this was a "mere accident".... There were many patriots in Pakistan. The infighting started almost immediately after creation of Pakistan, and the LAK murder was one of the few first events to wrestle control of Pakistan from democratic forces and hand it over to the foreign proxies like Ayub and iSkandar Mirza. I don't know why you assumed that I am imposing my identity politics.. its just a theory I have. It can be right or wrong. I have tried to elaborate on my thinking on Pakistani politics in terms of identity politics and how that has been key in defining who gets to rule Pakistan. We have managed to wreck the country and made it subjugated to foreign powers in the process.. but as long as one group wins over all others.. HEY.. what's the big deal? (and by that "one group" I don't mean the usual red-herring "The big bad Punjabis"). @Syed Yahoob: being judgemental and opinionated brings out peole’s true feelings about an issue and that is an opportunity to learn. IMO, my opinions point in the right direction.

One of those vague markers is the massive influx of people of one ethnicity into Karachi and eventually in Hydrabad. Can you please give me your opinion of why this happened? Don’t tell me this was a “mere accident”….

There were many patriots in Pakistan. The infighting started almost immediately after creation of Pakistan, and the LAK murder was one of the few first events to wrestle control of Pakistan from democratic forces and hand it over to the foreign proxies like Ayub and iSkandar Mirza.

I don’t know why you assumed that I am imposing my identity politics.. its just a theory I have. It can be right or wrong. I have tried to elaborate on my thinking on Pakistani politics in terms of identity politics and how that has been key in defining who gets to rule Pakistan. We have managed to wreck the country and made it subjugated to foreign powers in the process.. but as long as one group wins over all others.. HEY.. what’s the big deal? (and by that “one group” I don’t mean the usual red-herring “The big bad Punjabis”).

]]> By: Syed Yaqoob http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72847 Syed Yaqoob Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:24:18 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72847 @TK AND @hamidwattoo Thnx for yr uncleared respons to Hamid Watto!!My request is to you that you should not impose your identity politics idea when you are himself not clear about that!This is very much clear that LAK was the only Muhajir who was being taunted un ethically by Daultanas and Mamdots of Punjab and finally he was murdered!There was no connection no linkage at all b/w this great leader and the present MQM. MQM was started for your kind consideration from a talba tanzeem (AMPSO) and now they have stepped down from the identity politics by having a Mutaheda Qaumi Movement. You said "but I’m just trying to understand the issues by making assertions and then learning from people’s responses — I’m no expert..) If this is the case then don't be judgemental in your views. LAK was the greatest Patriot of Pakistan !!what THEY did with him. @TK AND @hamidwattoo
Thnx for yr uncleared respons to Hamid Watto!!My request is to you that you should not impose your identity politics idea when you are himself not clear about that!This is very much clear that LAK was the only Muhajir who was being taunted un ethically by Daultanas and Mamdots of Punjab and finally he was murdered!There was no connection no linkage at all b/w this great leader and the present MQM.
MQM was started for your kind consideration from a talba tanzeem (AMPSO) and now they have stepped down from the identity politics by having a Mutaheda Qaumi Movement.
You said “but I’m just trying to understand the issues by making assertions and then learning from people’s responses — I’m no expert..)
If this is the case then don’t be judgemental in your views.
LAK was the greatest Patriot of Pakistan !!what THEY did with him.

]]> By: TK http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72834 TK Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:41:45 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72834 @hamidwattoo: I'm not going to get entangled in this, and maybe you can elaborate on the mamdot/daultana connection if you like. I only see one thing. A MASSIVE influx of indian migrants (UP/Bihar) into Karachi.. Why? Why weren't they settled in multiple areas of Pakistan instead of concentrating in two cities of Sindh? Why Karachi especially? Karachi was a small city (certainly no fishing village like some people like to pretend, Karachi had public transport system etc.) Karachi was going to be the capital of the country. This is my reasoning that the population influx was allowed as a "last line of defence" ... anyways.. this is my own theory and maybe you can correct this. The 80's phenonmenon is the result of the BREAKDOWN of the earlier strategy of covert control through identity politics.. (I have had posts on this long before .. and I was accused of various things.. but I'm just trying to understand the issues by making assertions and then learning from people's responses -- I'm no expert..) I want to hear about mamdot's and daultana's and how that ties into LAK ? maybe that is what I have heard and attributed to L.A.K ?? thx. @hamidwattoo: I’m not going to get entangled in this, and maybe you can elaborate on the mamdot/daultana connection if you like. I only see one thing. A MASSIVE influx of indian migrants (UP/Bihar) into Karachi.. Why?

Why weren’t they settled in multiple areas of Pakistan instead of concentrating in two cities of Sindh? Why Karachi especially? Karachi was a small city (certainly no fishing village like some people like to pretend, Karachi had public transport system etc.)

Karachi was going to be the capital of the country. This is my reasoning that the population influx was allowed as a “last line of defence” … anyways.. this is my own theory and maybe you can correct this.

The 80′s phenonmenon is the result of the BREAKDOWN of the earlier strategy of covert control through identity politics.. (I have had posts on this long before .. and I was accused of various things.. but I’m just trying to understand the issues by making assertions and then learning from people’s responses — I’m no expert..)

I want to hear about mamdot’s and daultana’s and how that ties into LAK ? maybe that is what I have heard and attributed to L.A.K ?? thx.

]]> By: hamidwattoo http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72828 hamidwattoo Wed, 16 Apr 2008 15:12:56 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72828 @TK Sir, would you elaborate more on how and why "various UP based politicians (Liaqat Ali Khan I think) tried to create lifelong constituencies by creating ghettos in Karachi". I thought MQM or the mindset behind it was a phenomenon of the 80s but your stating that it started all the way from Liaquat Ali Khan is new to me. Do you want to suggest that Liaquat Ali Khan also fell to the level of constituency politics. Wasn't he above all this? Didn't he consider the whole of Pakistan his constitutency? If he was so obsessed with this, why on earth he thought of moving to Pakistan, leaving a huge estate or what you call a constituency back in India. Secondly, if ever such thoughts crossed his minds, what role the Daultanas and Mamdots of Punjab had to play in it. Please respond @TK
Sir, would you elaborate more on how and why “various UP based politicians (Liaqat Ali Khan I think) tried to create lifelong constituencies by creating ghettos in Karachi”. I thought MQM or the mindset behind it was a phenomenon of the 80s but your stating that it started all the way from Liaquat Ali Khan is new to me. Do you want to suggest that Liaquat Ali Khan also fell to the level of constituency politics. Wasn’t he above all this? Didn’t he consider the whole of Pakistan his constitutency? If he was so obsessed with this, why on earth he thought of moving to Pakistan, leaving a huge estate or what you call a constituency back in India. Secondly, if ever such thoughts crossed his minds, what role the Daultanas and Mamdots of Punjab had to play in it. Please respond

]]> By: Syed Yaqoob http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72814 Syed Yaqoob Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:52:15 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/12/protest-at-mqm-hq-london-sunday-13-april-2008/#comment-72814 @sleepingnation & @TK I think this is not the time to fight against each other!!!we should use this channel in a constructive way.....Ok leave this topic!!I do accept that there were mistakes MQM did in the recent pastPls pls don't call them Muhajirs again!!if you can't say them Pakistani..we all are Pakistanis and we should work together for a better PAKISTAN...We should compare our nation with other in different areas like Economy and should really work hard and sincerely to strengthen Pakistan!!!we ppl are not politicians...so pls leave the Politics for the Politicians and just end this useless debate!! @sleepingnation & @TK
I think this is not the time to fight against each other!!!we should use this channel in a constructive way…..Ok leave this topic!!I do accept that there were mistakes MQM did in the recent pastPls pls don’t call them Muhajirs again!!if you can’t say them Pakistani..we all are Pakistanis and we should work together for a better PAKISTAN…We should compare our nation with other in different areas like Economy and should really work hard and sincerely to strengthen Pakistan!!!we ppl are not politicians…so pls leave the Politics for the Politicians and just end this useless debate!!

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