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		<title>By: Musawar&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poem by Habib Jalib</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-199649</link>
		<dc:creator>Musawar&#187; Blog Archive &#187; Poem by Habib Jalib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mainay Uss Say Yeh Kaha  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mohi</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-109396</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome song, Awesome lyrics : ).......Cant beleive such a poetry was written in the 1960&#039;s........ Simply Great .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome song, Awesome lyrics : )&#8230;&#8230;.Cant beleive such a poetry was written in the 1960&#8217;s&#8230;&#8230;.. Simply Great .</p>
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		<title>By: waheed.studioq</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-106887</link>
		<dc:creator>waheed.studioq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brilliant job done Laal...SHABASH .... 
IM A PHOTOGRAPHER AND WOULD LIKE TO BE OF SERVICE IN ANY WAY ... I&#039;d love it if you  guys come down for a photo shoot, no charges ...
search my id on flickr for some of my work ... shayari bohat khoob hai hi ...music and video have done justice to the message...bohat aala bhaiyo jiggero...bohat aala</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brilliant job done Laal&#8230;SHABASH &#8230;.<br />
IM A PHOTOGRAPHER AND WOULD LIKE TO BE OF SERVICE IN ANY WAY &#8230; I&#8217;d love it if you  guys come down for a photo shoot, no charges &#8230;<br />
search my id on flickr for some of my work &#8230; shayari bohat khoob hai hi &#8230;music and video have done justice to the message&#8230;bohat aala bhaiyo jiggero&#8230;bohat aala</p>
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		<title>By: Habib Jalib - Mainay Uss Say Yeh Kaha &#124; Karachi Metblogs</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-78084</link>
		<dc:creator>Habib Jalib - Mainay Uss Say Yeh Kaha &#124; Karachi Metblogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 10:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Waqar Director Producer - Taimur Khan Mr. M bokhari has done his bit to put the audio into text here in comment [...]</description>
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		<title>By: la51</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-78078</link>
		<dc:creator>la51</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 09:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read Habib Jalib&#039;s poem on Imran Khan . It is in support of Imran khan&#039;s hospital. &quot;JALIB BEETI .&quot; is the name of the book , It is worth a treasure..... I am lucky to have met  JALIB at Dyal Singh College, I  was his host. He was that day accompanied by Shahzad Ahmad Shahzad.......My friend Hafiz Mehmood Ahmad was instrumental in organising the event. .......... &#039;&#039;It is the most memorable  day in my life !&#039;&#039;............Liaqat Ali . President Student Union. 1973..... Dyal Singh Degree College, LAHORE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read Habib Jalib&#8217;s poem on Imran Khan . It is in support of Imran khan&#8217;s hospital. &#8220;JALIB BEETI .&#8221; is the name of the book , It is worth a treasure&#8230;.. I am lucky to have met  JALIB at Dyal Singh College, I  was his host. He was that day accompanied by Shahzad Ahmad Shahzad&#8230;&#8230;.My friend Hafiz Mehmood Ahmad was instrumental in organising the event. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. &#8221;It is the most memorable  day in my life !&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Liaqat Ali . President Student Union. 1973&#8230;.. Dyal Singh Degree College, LAHORE.</p>
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		<title>By: pakistanthinks</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-77535</link>
		<dc:creator>pakistanthinks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@madeel

Jalib praises Imran Khan? which year? it seems some joke:)</description>
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<p>Jalib praises Imran Khan? which year? it seems some joke:)</p>
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		<title>By: fahadchughtai</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-76958</link>
		<dc:creator>fahadchughtai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are caught up in the argument of who is a leftist and who is not. Let me analyze this situation and present my findings.

This has to be seen in a Pakistani context. One cannot equate Western Liberalism to Pakistani Liberalism. It is a no go. Many Pakistani leftists will be labeled as conservatives in the West. Why do you think Many right wing people are labeled as extremists in the West even if they are not? A different of culture is linked to the left-right scale in politics.

Maintaining the status quo in Pakistan means to support feudalism, elitism and Jamaat-e-Islami Islamism (not Taleban or Al Qaeda). People who support the above groups can be labeled as being conservative, or members of the right wing. All the feudal lords, Tribal Sardars, and JI-like Mullahs, some big businessmen can be put in this category. Along with the enlightened Islamists (those who are purely scholars, like Israr Ahmed, Farhat Hashemi etc).

The Left Wing constitutes those people who support change in the status quo, those who oppose feudalism and Traditional Islamism, those who seek to end Human Rights abuses, promote Gender egalitarianism etc. While these should be the basis of any society, sadly, this isn&#039;t the case in Pakistan. This is why we need to set the bar so low for progressiveness in Pakistan.

If you analyze this definition of Pakistani Leftism, then Imran Khan does indeed belong. He is a Pakistani Leftist. His Tehreek e Insaf seeks to change the staus quo. Just Like Benazir Bhutto was. Her People&#039;s Party in theory at least seeks to change the status quo. Now of course there are people who cringe at the thought of putting both personalities in the same boat, but if the corruption factor is to be taken out of Benazir, then they both fit together quite well. Now, the bitter pill to swallow: General (retd) Pervez Musharraf also fits into the category of Pakistani Leftism.He too earlier sought to remove feudal politicians, till he found he had to work with them. Now this gives a big picture. There are both good and bad Pakistani Leftists.

It does not matter if one supports Communism/Marxism/Leninism/Maoism. Such members today belong to members of the far left, just like Taleban supporters belong to the far right. This is an era after the Cold War, where Far Left Wing ideas have retreated to the fringes.

Using the above, now, is it wrong to be a Pakistani leftist?

It&#039;s for you all to decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are caught up in the argument of who is a leftist and who is not. Let me analyze this situation and present my findings.</p>
<p>This has to be seen in a Pakistani context. One cannot equate Western Liberalism to Pakistani Liberalism. It is a no go. Many Pakistani leftists will be labeled as conservatives in the West. Why do you think Many right wing people are labeled as extremists in the West even if they are not? A different of culture is linked to the left-right scale in politics.</p>
<p>Maintaining the status quo in Pakistan means to support feudalism, elitism and Jamaat-e-Islami Islamism (not Taleban or Al Qaeda). People who support the above groups can be labeled as being conservative, or members of the right wing. All the feudal lords, Tribal Sardars, and JI-like Mullahs, some big businessmen can be put in this category. Along with the enlightened Islamists (those who are purely scholars, like Israr Ahmed, Farhat Hashemi etc).</p>
<p>The Left Wing constitutes those people who support change in the status quo, those who oppose feudalism and Traditional Islamism, those who seek to end Human Rights abuses, promote Gender egalitarianism etc. While these should be the basis of any society, sadly, this isn&#8217;t the case in Pakistan. This is why we need to set the bar so low for progressiveness in Pakistan.</p>
<p>If you analyze this definition of Pakistani Leftism, then Imran Khan does indeed belong. He is a Pakistani Leftist. His Tehreek e Insaf seeks to change the staus quo. Just Like Benazir Bhutto was. Her People&#8217;s Party in theory at least seeks to change the status quo. Now of course there are people who cringe at the thought of putting both personalities in the same boat, but if the corruption factor is to be taken out of Benazir, then they both fit together quite well. Now, the bitter pill to swallow: General (retd) Pervez Musharraf also fits into the category of Pakistani Leftism.He too earlier sought to remove feudal politicians, till he found he had to work with them. Now this gives a big picture. There are both good and bad Pakistani Leftists.</p>
<p>It does not matter if one supports Communism/Marxism/Leninism/Maoism. Such members today belong to members of the far left, just like Taleban supporters belong to the far right. This is an era after the Cold War, where Far Left Wing ideas have retreated to the fringes.</p>
<p>Using the above, now, is it wrong to be a Pakistani leftist?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s for you all to decide.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulla Nafs e Zakkiya</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-76901</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulla Nafs e Zakkiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they did a good job, but i think if we make a qwali singer do this , like aziz mian type, it will be really awesome! 

still shabash for the effort!

Mulla!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they did a good job, but i think if we make a qwali singer do this , like aziz mian type, it will be really awesome! </p>
<p>still shabash for the effort!</p>
<p>Mulla!</p>
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		<title>By: atif</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-76841</link>
		<dc:creator>atif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If habib jalib was not a Marxist he was not a reformist either, which undoubtedly makes him a leftist. A pro-poor is of course a socialist but depends what’s the criterion for a pro-poor, there could be no other system then either left or right. We are so much suppressed by propaganda against left that we even don’t want to discuss pros and cons of this system. We are always presented with USSR model of Marxism which is absolutely absurd to call it a Marxist economy. It was state capitalism.

if you discuss the difference between left and reformists only then you will realize that reformists are just another clan of free market followers. UK model is a perfect example, where reformists lost the battle or paved the way for free market.  Regonomics/ Theatchernomics or trickle down economics are truly inhuman economic models.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If habib jalib was not a Marxist he was not a reformist either, which undoubtedly makes him a leftist. A pro-poor is of course a socialist but depends what’s the criterion for a pro-poor, there could be no other system then either left or right. We are so much suppressed by propaganda against left that we even don’t want to discuss pros and cons of this system. We are always presented with USSR model of Marxism which is absolutely absurd to call it a Marxist economy. It was state capitalism.</p>
<p>if you discuss the difference between left and reformists only then you will realize that reformists are just another clan of free market followers. UK model is a perfect example, where reformists lost the battle or paved the way for free market.  Regonomics/ Theatchernomics or trickle down economics are truly inhuman economic models.</p>
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		<title>By: atif</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/04/27/habib-jalib-poem/#comment-76837</link>
		<dc:creator>atif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now we are really exploring the defacts in our system. Judges, No Judges, Finances, food crisis, insecurity.......

whats the cause of all these troubles

we must discuss the big picture

the problems within this system

Read the Shock Doctrine and you will understand we are passing through the same phase once latin Amrica was into.

Good work Admin,

revival of socialism is inevitable, we have seen free market, state capitalism, reformists but nobody provided solution to poor.

i would also recomend state and revolution and you will notice that today&#039;s facts are script written in 1920s.

Lal khan is also an impressive revolutionary alive in Pakistan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now we are really exploring the defacts in our system. Judges, No Judges, Finances, food crisis, insecurity&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>whats the cause of all these troubles</p>
<p>we must discuss the big picture</p>
<p>the problems within this system</p>
<p>Read the Shock Doctrine and you will understand we are passing through the same phase once latin Amrica was into.</p>
<p>Good work Admin,</p>
<p>revival of socialism is inevitable, we have seen free market, state capitalism, reformists but nobody provided solution to poor.</p>
<p>i would also recomend state and revolution and you will notice that today&#8217;s facts are script written in 1920s.</p>
<p>Lal khan is also an impressive revolutionary alive in Pakistan</p>
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