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- Talks on judges go up in smoke in London
- Two Parallel Supreme Courts being considered to resolve judges issue
- Naek casts doubts on meeting 12th May deadline

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  1. shimatoree Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 2:00 am
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    Once again I shall quote the great French revolutionary Mirabeau-

    Most men lack CHARACTER !.

    The present lot of the newly elected politicians of Pakistan have confirmed that well known saying.

    Now we know why the British were able to rule for 100 years !

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    how can you restore judges, when your own past is corrupt.
    rupees is going down hill, i am worried although i should be happy as i live aboard.

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    Judges Fate
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    Excellent analysis!!!

    http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=111682

    The year is 2070. The Pakistan Studies teacher reads out aloud from the textbook, the chapter on “Re-emergence of Democracy in Pakistan”: “The current polity in Pakistan is a hard-earned endeavour that took its roots when the then-Chief Justice was dismissed from office by a military dictator
 The efforts of two political parties, the Pakistan People’s Party and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz, reinstated him and brought about true democracy.”

    Asif Ali Zardari and Mian Nawaz Sharif would be pinpointed as the protagonists of this movement. If the lawyers’ movement makes it above a footnote, it would be mentioned, along with civil society, as a group that “endorsed the political movement, giving clear signals to the authoritarian regime that its time is up.”

    In the grand scheme of politics, the lawyers may become the quintessential subaltern. It certainly has a precedent. Few among us remember the Royal Indian Navy Mutiny of 1946, marked with colossal displays of solidarity in Calcutta, Bombay, Karachi and elsewhere. 228 were killed and more than a thousand injured.

    The naval mutiny and the labour and peasant movements were the two final straws that broke the imperial donkey’s back. Yet in the collective consciousness, the credit is largely limited to Allama Iqbal’s enlightened vision and the political acumen of the Quaid-e-Azam.

    In the unfortunately lost or expediently forgotten histories, the lawyers may be in the latest queue. Nor does the similarity end here. The mutiny in the navy was never welcomed by the political leadership of the All-India Muslim League and/or the Congress, but was dismissed on the grounds that it had set a “bad and unbecoming example.” The Quaid-e-Azam told the navymen that, “if (you) will adopt constitutional, lawful and peaceful methods, apprise (me) fully of what will satisfy (you), (I) would assure that their just grievances are redressed.” This resonates with the political parties’ response to the lawyers today. Now that the military dictator has seemingly caved in, the PPP and the PML-N have asked the lawyers to depend on the political and democratic forces to bring them respite.

    The story does not end here. The Navy rebels were discharged with disgrace from the Royal Indian Navy when they were tried by the Britishers at Mulund Camp. After independence, the mutineers who arrived in Pakistan were hoping for a reprieve. They filed petitions to the Royal Pakistan Navy and the government of Pakistan for their reinstatement in service. They were expecting “their” government to redress their grievances. But this did not come about. On the recommendations of the then commander-in-chief of the RPN, Rear Admiral J W Jefford, their pleas were turned down by the government and they were never accommodated in the RPN.

    The lawyers may be told, sooner, if not later, that the deposed judges are unsuitable for reinstatement. And like those same rebels who sacrificed their careers fighting against the Imperialists, these lawyers who boycotted the courts, went on hunger strike and protested against the dictator, will never rise up to demand the redress of their “just grievances.” Who will they fight against? Those who once fought alongside them?

    “And so when occasion requires the cautious man to act impetuously,” said the wily Machiavelli, “he cannot do so and is undone; whereas had he changed his nature with time and circumstances, his fortune would have been unchanged.” The lawyers must act impetuously. But then there was also Ronald Reagan, the American president who once said, “History is a river that may take us where it will.”

    In the spectrum of infinite possibilities, a separate universe flows from each. And in one of those universes, a student is asking her teacher in the year 2070, “but what happened to the Chief Justice then?” Closing the book, the teacher takes a deep breath, as if trying to jog her memory, and says “Well, children, after the military retreated from politics, the chief justice was reinstated by the National Assembly. But by that time, the chief justice had become so dizzied by his newfound fame that he started considering himself above the law.” Her voice tapers off, and under the deafening sound of the school bell, she murmurs, “He was sent home.”

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    Punjab CM raps lawyers for ‘ignoring’ judges issue
    SHEIKHUPURA, May 9: Punjab Chief Minister Sardar Dost Mohammad Khosa came hard on Ferozwala lawyers for whitewashing in their speeches the issue of deposed judges’ restoration, including Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry, on Friday.

    Justice Sharif sees no light at the end of tunnel
    …Justice Sharif said some people were playing what he called “a dirty game” with the cause of judges for their own vested interests. He said Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani had twice stated that the people had voted them to power for the cause of judges and independence of media.

    “How can the parties deviate from their commitment made to the people,” Justice Sharif asked. If the judges were not restored, there would be a revolution and he would be a part of the revolution, he said….

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  5. zafaryaar Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 10:51 am
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    i think now the time has arrived that the revolution is due in Pakistan.
    It is the only way to solve the problems in Pakistan now.

    We can study the French revolution and iranian revolution.

    I will suggest u a movie related to that, a must watch.
    Its name is The V for Vendetta.

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    This matter will not be resolved. PPP will keep on dragging it. It’s not in their(read zardari’s) interest to restore judges. They have gained so much through the NRO that they wouldn’t want to compromise their status in any way possible. Restoration if happens would be at the cost of either its freedom, legitimacy, scope, or any other sort of shackles that will see to it that they challenge the government in any case. That will not be acceptable to either the judges or the lawyers.

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    @zafaryaar

    Spot on!!! There is absolutely no way out except for a revolution. The current filth in our politics has to be completely flushed down the toilet and replaced with new faces.

    These new faces have to be from those who really believe in the rule of law. Lawyers and judges, journalist have shown that they still have a moral conscience. They need to be a part of that revolution.

    But this realization is not there. People still believe that the current system can provide the solutions they seek. They need to be thinking on some other lines. The experiences have taught us alot. The current system is corrupt and it only serves corruption.

    But talking of revolution is easy. When it comes to walk the walk, then we require a group of people who are completely dedicated to eradicate the corrupt system. They should be prepared to give up their lives if needed. But the first thing is to have this realizarion that a revolution is only way forward.

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    aoa

    @asad

    agree with your points but in my opinion i do not think the masses are ready for a revolution.

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  9. establishment Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
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    what a shame. i think PML N should withdraw from the government and plan for the next elections with APDM. IK should campaign in urban sind(karachi), NWFP and in some punjab areas. In balochistan they should get mr Achakzayie. plus qazi’s religious support in nwfp. they can make a grand ruling coalition.

    as far as ppp, mqm and pmlq is concerned they can go and f**k themselves.

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    Naekk,rheman,zardari and pirzadas are showing again that they are part of ruling mafia and try to create confusion and chaos in the country so their dark faces and acts could be hidden under this shadow.Such a shameful and embarssed ideas are floating in our country that no intellectual person can swallows such stupidites,One thing is quite crystal clear that ruling mafia would never allow free and fair judiciary at all costs.Come on people in this forum and plan how to let down the ruling mafia.

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  11. usman khan Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
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    what a shame on the pakistan nation who choosed ppp and plmn to decieve them again while muslims were told 14 centries before that a muslim can not be decieved third time by the same manner or way.

    so now this is the guilt of the all those uneducated , BE-ZAMEER people who voted especially ppp while they knew that BENAZIR BHOTTO in not in this world and they voted a great THIEF zardari mr,20 %

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  12. usman khan Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
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    ppp or plmn ko vote dena ka matlab yahi tha ke ap aik ko pata ho ke ap ke age aik band gali he, or phir ap us gali me guss jaen, us gali me aik SHER, lion or tiger,, bi ho, to phir ap kuch nahi ker sakte , jo kuch bi kerna he wo sher ne hi kerna he to ap ko pata hi he ke sher ka kia kam he,,

    isi tarha kia zaroorat thi ppp ko vote dene ki,, ab kuch jahil logon ki waja se sari qom ko ye azab bhugtna pre ga. to ab bhugto na , ab aatta aatta or rotti kiyun cheekhte ho. ppp ya plmn ne apne pehle dor me kabi atta ya rotti di he kisi ko jo ab den ge………sara qasoor jahil awam ka he jo un ko vote de dette hen jo sale vote lene ke bad in ke salam ka jawab bi dena gawara nahi kerte to wo in ko rottie kia den ge,,,,,,ab lo maze,

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  13. usman khan Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
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    i hate musharraf more than anything of the world,i hate Qatil league and BEASTS , mqm………but i hate ppp and pmln more than all these, i have reason. let me tell you,
    for example, mushrraf sab ne jo kia , wo kaha ke, HAN, JAMEA HIFZA PE ATTACK SAHI THA. JUDGES KI DISMISSAL SAHI THI. lakin musharraf ne SAJJI dikah ke KHABBI kabi nahi mari. lakin ye BE-ZAMEER ppp or pmln, aise BEHOODA hen jo kehte kuch hen lakin kerte kuch hen…… in ke wazir dekh lo, masheer dekh lo, kia majal he kisi ke chehre pe koi INSANIYAT nazar ati ho, in ke TUKHAM men hi koi faraq he , qom se jholi phela ker vots ki bheek mang ker haqoomat me ane wale ab, qom ke sath kia kia behooda mazaq ker rahe hen, in ko chok men khara ker ke SOOLI pe latka dena chahye lakin us se bi pehle un ko SOOLI pe latkana chahye jino ne in ko vote dia,,,,,,,,,, ab chakho maze or bhugto,,,,

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  14. usman khan Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
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    @ nazia,,

    ap ko ab pata chala he ke zardari or us ke goron (horses) ki cabina haqoomat mafia ke sath mil gai he, to pehle bi pata that to zardari desse ghtiya or be-zameer inssan ko vote kiyun dia.,BENAZIR SAHIBA to
    is dunya me nahi thi, to phir kis ko vote dia logon ne , jo log ab atta atta , roti mang rahe hen, to ab zardari se ja ker mange na ab.. ppp is a prty of people of pak but zardari is not a ppp. ppp is finished fot the moment since benazir is killed by musharaf and zardari.

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    @ aftab

    The masses aren’t always ready for anything. They have to be made ready. Ordinary people talk of revolution but they dont know how to proceed or they are not willing to take the initiative or as you put they are not ready. But this is exactly what a revolutionary movement has to do. It has to tell the masses that without them acting, nothing will change.

    If they see in that movement the sincerity the masses want to see then they will follow them.

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  16. usman khan Says:
    May 10th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
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    mera khiyal he ke ab log is ppp or pmln ke salook se tang aa ker new election me in dono ko vote nahi den ge,,

    lakin mera doosra khiyal ye he ke nahi,,,,,,,, pakistan me kam-aqal logon ki kami nahi he jo in dono partion se dhokka kha ker bi dobara ini ko vote den ge,, kiyun ke ye uni logon ko vote dette hen jo in ki BE-IZZTI kerte hen,, jo in ko salam kerna to door ki bat ini ke salam ka jawab bi nahi dette to wo in ke masayal kia hal kren ge,, uni ko vote dette hen jo in ko pehle dhokka de chuke hon,, agar koi new face aa bi gia to ye phir vote dalne se pehle yahi sochen ge k nahiy , YAR USI PEHLE WALON KO VOTE DETTE HEN, WO ZARA THEEK DHOKKA DETTE HEN, ye new face ka kia pata theek tra se dhokka bi de sake ga ke nahi,kia pata ye new face ham ko sahi tarha zaleel na ker sake, to chalo jino ne pehle theek tarha se dhokka dia or zaleel kia, chalo uni ko vote dette hen jin ke bare me pata he ko wo theek zaleel kerte hen,,,,,,,,, jis qom ko ye hi nahi pata ke kis ne zaleel kia, rulaya , us pe teesri bar etbar nahi kerna , na vote dalna he,, to us ke sath yahi salook hona chahye, jo ab ho raha he,,,,,ab bhugto na , rotte kiyun ho, hathon ka boya hua ab danto se kattto.

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