Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz Announces withdrawal with Federal Cabinet. PMNL will handover their resignations tomorrow to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gillani.
I am sure soon there is going to be a forward blobk within PPP, may be headed by Amin Fahim. I feel sorry for Aitzaz though, he is in a really diffcult situation.
FINALLY :
We have someone in Pakistan who can stand for PRINCIPLES …
I know some will talk about the real intentions but credit is due here
Everybody talks about ‘USOOLON KI SIYASAT” but this is a refreshingly rare phenomenon.
I am not a Muslim leegi but HATS OFF to Muslim League…
i urge PML(N) that please make some big decisions…only Resignations from Federal Cabinet is not enough..PML (N) should bring resolution and expose PPP/MQM and others who stand against restoration of judges ..in that way real stance of ANP will be clear also…
second PML (N) should support lawyers movement openly…theyshould not be a collaborator of zaradri behind the curtains…
i have no doubt about sincerity of NS but i have my doubts about his courage to make big decisions…
Being sad on one side for the break down of the colition I am happy that NS is not taking emotional steps (for example even giving up Punjab gov or giving harsh remarks against PPP). I think this slow pressure will work. NS has also wisely said that I hope that civil society and students will second him in restoration of the judges but he did not say so about the LAWYERS which will be his next card. I feel PPP will soon come to knees as preparing budget for them is also difficult and as it ll not be a people friendly budget so they definetly need backing from PMLN at that point both in term of support and expertise.
I think above all pkpolitics.com needs a bit of credit for their continous efforts in exposing the establishment.
Also well done NS.
I disagree with Asif Zardar’s so called reconsciliation approach. Once can 2 borthers and 2 sisters in one house, but neither two husbands nor two wives. He got to be clear in his thoughts.
I think above all pkpolitics.com needs a bit of credit for their continous efforts in exposing the establishment.
Also well done NS.
I disagree with Asif Zardar’s so called reconsciliation approach. One can have 2 borthers and 2 sisters in one house, but neither two husbands nor two wives. He got to be clear in his thoughts.
excellent decision. atleast now no one can say that Nawaz didnt give the traitor P-League a chance. Nawaz Sharif should whole-heartedly join the lawyers movement now against the Mush-P-League govt. bring these b*stards down, elections are just round the corner. now is the time for that big march to the Army House that aitzaz had been talking about(dont know whether he has been castrated already by 10% or not). im sure the army jawans wont show the beghairati of firing at the crowds, but if they do then its the start of the revolution, which is also a good thing. the media is the best thing that ever happened to Pakistan, otherwise we would have been going round in the same suicidal circles that we have been going through for the past 60 years. army, corrupt politicans, shahadats, army, corrupt politicians, army, shahadats, return of mr 10%…..
Congratulations to nawaz and his dare devils,They atleast keep their actions according to their words.For the last years politicans were defamed as they change their stanze as per requirement but leaving ministries for justice cause should be put in respectable place and encourage sharif.God knows what are real intentions of sharif’s family as he has shown this surpirse courage after meeting with US messenger the butcher of Pakistan.
good job….
I am beginning to think that within PPP there are two pressure points…
One is led by Rahman Malik and Naik perhaps with some consent from Zardari. The other is not led by anyone but cosnists of people such as Raza Rabbani, Sherry Rahman and others. This is somewhat like the US Establishment having hawks and doves. I have no doubt that those who supported the CJ moment till late last year could not just turn around and now become anti-restoration. But they are finding themeselves, perhaps, in even more difficult situation than A Ahsan. If you are of lesser standing, party line – even if personally unacceptable – become important.
NS’s action and sustained pressure from civil society will help strengthen this other group and weaken Rahman Malik and Co through which, I think, the Presidency is working.
Although it was a big disappointment that Zardai failed to restore judges,
Howver, he has exposed himself and his backdoor deeds. The best thing came out of this disappointment is the some one in Pakistan stood for principle. Nawaz Sharif & PML-N need our appreciation and the help of all Pakistanis to foil the evil designs of conspirators and their external masters.
It is good step by Nawas Sharif and a blow to so called national reconciliation. I believe PPP believed that Nawas Sharif is just building pressure and will not like to loose the share in the government. Now that he has made his move PPP will have to take PMLN’s stand seriously. Losing PMLN, PPP will not be able to rest in peace. The real problems will start now. It will be interesting to see that how PPP will solve the problems of employment, electricity and food shortage with their new love MQM.
sad for the democratic forces in Pakistan…..NS fell for what the establishment exactly want……….an argument to say “democratic forces are not capable of running the country”………….poor decision by a man who has always made bad decisions…………..election boycott…twice…and finally finally….after months he admitted that it was not a correct decision…I have no doubt that although this has a “feel good” factor but it is incorrect decision by leader without vision………….SORRY TO SAY BUT NS has not learnt a lesson………..This decision will strengthen MUSH…Well done NS…..
I think, the TV anchors should press PPP on one point: Why are they so eager to keep the current judges? They must push the PPP leaders on this point.
The isuse is important and should be linked to the status of the Musharraf’s dismissal of SC on November 3. If that act was illegal, automatically the current judges become illegal. Why then insist of keeping these judges?
There are four types of SC judges currently on the scene:
1. Those who need to be restored
2. Those who were judges on Nov. 2 and took oath under PCO
3. Those who were promoted from High Court
4. Those who were brought back from retirement
If Nov. 3 act was illegal, the category 4 should go back to their retirement and category 3 back to the High Court. That leaves only category 2 and 1 and they form the Sc as it was on Nov.2.
I am aware that some anchors come to visit this site, I am requesting them to press PPP leadership on this point with the kind of data I am suggesting.
Well done PML-N.
Aitzaz is getting too much idealist and emotional about PPP. He should bear in mind it is not Bhutto’s PPP now. This PPP is nothing more then a mafia of dacoits and oppertunists being headed by Zardari. So, even though it will be hard for him to break-away from his loyalty, Aitzaz should get out of PPP (if he doesn’t forsee any revolution within PPP). Afterall, it’s not people or groups/parties per se, it is the agenda/manifesto/principles that one needs to be loyal with. Who asks Aitzaz to leave those principles (the lost treasure) laid down by the great Bhutto. I think today’s PPP is an insult to Bhutto and the persons like Aitzaz, Raza Rabbani, Amin Faheem (and all kick-out good guys) should make sincere efforts to rescue Bhutto’s PPP from these sons of …..
i think NS did aitezaz ahsan a favor by announcing to run on NA55…this way he doesn’t have to turn down the party ticket ..i.e: leave PPP…and still enables him to take the struggle for a free judiciary forward..
@ibnrazi : “I am aware that some anchors come to visit this site, I am requesting them to press PPP leadership on this point with the kind of data I am suggesting.”
Very good points and a noble thought, but the problem is that Peoples Party “Leaders” start their “raNDi rona” every time they are asked questions that require honesty and incidentally unmask their monumental hypocrisy.
So, we can expect “ShaheedooN ki PaaRtee”, “Shaheed Bhutto ki qurbani”.. “Panch lashaeN GhaRi Khuda Bakkhsh..” .. LasheN LaaSheN .. maut.. shaheed.. blah blah.. but NO Straight Answer to the questions the Nation is asking.
Zarari ko Makhdoom Amin Fahim ki bad-duaa lag gai!
Don’t worry..AZ know that well. Therefore, he and his buddies will make sure to ‘collect’ as much as they can before they ‘choo mantar’. People will be saying Saukat Aziz, Mush and Q corruption was peanuts….. I pray, I am completely wrong and get an egg on my face..pray
ur right…(sniff…sniff) they do that …dont they. but i think talat can cut through the bruhaha…and expose them. although…i am not sure how they will react…given whats circulating about threats to media..
this is interesting stuff….(alas) why would the govt/establishment make the same mistake twice …and why is PPP allowing itself to be abused this way…(they have literally bent over…and defending their right to be bu*&ered by the faujistanic forces….but that they are doing this…clearly defines the haves and the have-nots…of ZAMIR in this case…
In my personal opinion, NS is no more than an opportunist , just like Zardari.
Why should we hate Zardari?
And why on earth should we love NS?
Zardari is doing what he is supposed to do. Is it difficult to observe that while Zardari is staging the drama of “bhai-chara” with NS, his cases are being written off due NRO. Why on earth would he go against Musharaf. He has been brought back to help Musharaf and we’ll see in coming days that he WILL do that.
NS has never been a brave leader. He ran away when he saw several years of jail in front of him and came back due the same NRO which benifitted Zardari. NS knew from the very first day that this is not his election, so he chose to invest on the next one and high jacked the lawyers movement. Now he is trying to win our sympathies for next elections.
We do not need likes of NZ or AZ. We need a REAL leader. A leader like Mao Tse-Tung, a leader like M.A. Jinnah, a leader like Mahathir bin Mohamad. Pakistan has no future without a new leader. I am hoping to live long enough to see such a leader in Pakistan. Because these leaders we have, they can not give us something as they do not have spare time from looting us.
as far as i heard from media that NS is contesting from NA 52 (Ch.Nisar Ali seat) not from NA 55..both are Rawalpindi seats but NS is contesting from seat vacant by Ch.Nisar that is NA-52
How can some one like zardari support the restoration of judges when he himself has came through bypassing the judiciary and with the direct interference of Americans
zaradri has said that PPP will not nominate any candidate from there..he is not giving any favour coz on 18th february PPP candidate got only 11000 votes whereas Ch.Nisar got 75000 votes so PPP was defeated with the margin of 64000 votes..any in the present situation PPP candidate if they nominate one will not get even 5000 votes….zardari cant make people fool..he is a loser
Well done PML(N) under the leadership of Nawaz Sharif ,you people standing with the voice of Pakistani nation,we are with you and praying for you.Do More to secure Pakistan and forget about PPP because leadership of PPP don’t have any kind courage to solve matter and thay still having black sheeps in shape of Rehman Malik,Mr Attorney General, and others favored by Mush dictator.
its time for Aitezaz and other loyal PPP leaders to come fwd and get rid of Zardari and his father Rahman malik
thats what PPP leadership should do
but i m not sure if there is anyone man enough in PPP’s ranks
The real question is where is “Faheem23″. I was hoping that NS will walk out from cabinet and I am glad he did. So we can see there are people who can walk the walk also.
PPP has got more votes than Mr Sharif and his Party much more than him almost doubled.
Awam kiss kay saaath hein ya awam koo kon represent kerta hai its a different debate.
Its a good step taken PML N especially Nawaz Shariff the whole nation was not expecting this from Zardari he has proved once again that he cant be trusted in any way.
It’s Rightly called the moment where some of the party members and whole nation once again Misses Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto.
but Zaradari again lets every one down.
But Truth Will Win sooner or later. INSHALLAH
God Bless Pakistan
I wish all the best to NS, as he has proved to be the only PAKISTANI alive on the political scene. A more “all out” antagonism to “Mush Zard Rehman malik” alliance against pakistan would be more appreciated. Although I strongly recommend that Aitezaz should quit PP and join hands with Nawaz,,, I wish People of Pakistan could prove a bit more tolerant to the menaces spread by musharaf ,esp the elect and flour thing, and have more voice on the streets to kick this bastard out of the presidency or army house, where evrer he is hiding and conspiring against this nation. And I’m sure that people who voted for the shaheedon ki party would be cursing the fateful day when Zardari acquired the hot seat of destroying the country,,, and is now in full concurrence with Fuckinn’ US through Rehan Malik, Hussein Haqqani and F H Naik. May allah strengthen this nation to have mercy on this country and rid them of those bastards who’ve made us look like majboors…….
I dont understand that what kind of leaders we got ? Elected Rep leaders are the one who makes the law, what kanooni masla masayal that they must have to keep those Pervaiz COmpany (PCO) Judges, PPP is on CEO seat, what kind of CEO are they that they cant hire or fire or rehire institutions and personalities? Why PPP is so scared of CJ ? As they demand almost every day that Zardari was wrongly in jail for all that time and no one could prove it yet, if Zardari is clean than why his pants keep get wetting on CJ issue?
Some how okay if we take this phenomenum that there was a deal between Zardari & Mush on this issue, than why PPP keep forgetting thats it is people of Pakistan who gave them the pilot seat, not MUSH> .
PPP is clear
we dnt think Ch Iftikhar is a free and Fair Judge.
But we will resinstate him not beacuse he is free and fair beacause the way he was sacked was wrong
To be very simple. People wanted change so they participated in elections, but what has changed PPP hasn’t even changed the attorney general, let alone others. PPP ministers even vowed to keep the same policies , as mush and co. Bringing change is termed confrontation by PPP.
As much as I like the stance taken by the PML-N, I am not sure what to expect now.
Isn’t it turning out to be a win-win for establishment? Chances are that PPP is bracing itself for a backlash from media and lawyers (perhaps PML-N will stay low in coming days). If PPP is able to counter the lawyer movement well and good and if not, that will be even better for the establishment. Establishment has us fighting with an elected parliament within few weeks of its inception – it is like dream come true for them
@awais
supporting Zardari and PPP leadership (not the workers) at this point is such a non sense thing to do that i dont think we i should comment any further of ur thoughts, period
NS by making this decision has written his name in history of pakistan politics.
i said it before on this forum that NS has bought decency and civilisation…… to what has been an ugly political culture in pakistan. His decision to satnd down from cabinet but continue to support PPP on issue by issue basis is commendable. I am sure NS by taking this decision will strenghten democratic culture in pakistan
I wish Chor Zardari- Bhutto had tenth the courage which NS showed (by supporting restoration of judiciary) this way we may have put an end to army takeovers, lessen US interference in our domestic matters, brought real power to people of Pakistan, help create true political leaders for future………………….and most importantly ‘stick to his words’
Long live NS, long live PMLN ………… Down with PPP, AZ, Mush and allies
not too long ago…before the elections ; your (ppp) use of ‘we’ meant PPP and other democratic forces for free media and judiciary. sad…how power trips..!
Mian Sahab is playing a Media Game and trying to be a hero and want to show PPP as Villon
but PPP has alway made decision which PPP think are right irrespective what the Media says.
PPP was against Jihadies when all the media was supporting them in 80s and 90s.
PPP was pro-India when all the media was anti-India
PPP didnt thought Afghan war as Jihad when all Pakistani Media was saying its as a Holy war.
PPP was against General Muhammad Zia Ul Haq when Media was portraying him as Merd-e-momin.
so PPP does what it think is right not what media says is right
for those criticising AA…..and asking him to leave PPP…..please leave him alone. if he doesnt want to leave PPP its his choice…….by him sticking with PPP at least we can say there is at least one person in the ruling party who has dignity and respect and is sincere with the nation…..and he therefore may be able to provide guidance (which is badly needed!) to PPP ‘leadership’ which currently consists of one teenager and two others (AZ and RM) with mental age of a teenager!
so there’s no chance of PPP joining hands with Q-league (forward bloc or not) to sustain the govt.? will you say that there are compulsions in forming govt. with Q even though they are the suspected conspirators in BB’s murder?
@Awais,
PPP PM freed judges, LOL
Bro, that was the deal with NS that the first order by PM should be about the burning issue, FREE THE JUDGES before going into negotiation of there reinstatment.
guess Chooran Wali Sarkar asking NS to stay in federal govt……when his party is not even part of it!!……………….all these Mush chamchas have got their braines fitted under their feet !!
I have not read all the mails and hence perhaps someone has already responded to you…
first, a factual error…NS did not come back to the country on NRO…in fcat, you may recall he was flown back on September 10th.
– as a side comment, perhaps many Chinese would disagree with you with regard to called Mao a great leader…
second, I appreciate your sentiments about finding a great leader. But my friend how is such a leader found? Lets take Jinnah, he did not come out of nowhere. A long list of leaders – big and small – preceded and accompanied him. Leaders emerge through a process.
It si true that Zardari and NS are not ideal leaders…but if we allow the democratic process to continue, over time better leaders will emerge and in time another great leader my appear…
the whoel tragedy of Pakistan has been that the democratic process was never allowed to continue. Few yeras of civilian rule and then a long military rule. An example is to think of a child learning to walk. When a child learns to walk, s/he falls, gets hit and so on…but parents let all thsi happen and soon child learns to walk properly. If everytime the child falls the parents were to pick him up and not allow his to learn, the child would not be walking even at the age of 60. This is exactly what has happened in Pkaistan.
Finally, what has military rule given to Pakistan? Out of the 60 yeras, military has ruled for 36 years. So if you are angry with leaders, please show it more towards military than towards civilains.
so, my friend, I request you to think beyond individuals and in ‘now and here’…think institutionally and historically…
Ibn Razi
Awais
without sympathy wave,PPP would have been routed.This time PPP won highest number of seats from Punjab,NWFP and Balochistan.This doesnt counts the rigged elections 1977.According to you PPP is very popular.If we believe you,then can you tell us,who will win,if there is a contest between Zardari and some ordinary PMLN worker anywhere in Punjab
The unpopular decisions that PPP took in the past were inine with its left-of-the-centre leanings. It may be that media and establishment was not gung-hu about those decisions but the PPP cadre can relate to the wisdom of those decision. What PPP has done now is difficult to absorb even after given all the benefits of doubt to the PPP leadership.
BTW: PPP was also instrumental in creating Taliban (a blemish on a party opposing religious extremism)
PPP stance according to them is that they never favor military involvement. What about mush then? Who is he? Who does he represent? Why is PPP reluctant in just saying ” We don’t accept Mush as a legitimate prez.”
Thats it.
I think it is a toughf time 4 Pakistan who has been govern by corrupt people like mush. with AZ 10% regeme.But there are also some great people like Nawaz Shareef,Imran Khan,Qazi Hussain,Mahmood Khan Achakzai and Iftikhar Choudhri
its such a shame to see a graet party like PPP getting destroyed by Zardari and his father Rahman malik
if you hide there faces and lsiten to how they talk, you cant tell if this is PPP leadership or PMLQ leadership
no difference at all
freeing judges by PPP PM was infact a ploy…….so they could get lawyers to suspend their movement for time being and also show NS that they are ‘sincere’ in restoration of judiciary….. so he joins them in cabinet……
this way about 2 months will go by and people may forget restoration of judiciary
typical dirty dishonest cunning politics by AZ
But AZ was wrong and people of pakistan, lawyers, NS and all other APDM parties are still as intimate about restoration of judges as they were 2 months ago…….so dhama dam mast qalandar now
see any independent Poll/survery in Pakistan
all poles show PPP as the largest Political party in Pakistan
Its been testes in all the elections.
PPP has more seats than this time before
guess Chooran Wali Sarkar asking NS to stay in federal govt……when his party is not even part of it!!……………….all these Mush chamchas have got their braines fitted under their feet !! http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=45389
@Awais
“If someone thinks he is bigger than the party one should leave and form his own party” thats what Benazir said to Aitzaz in LONDON in CEC meeting
NO. AA will stay in PPP and make a powerful group within PPP – who will follow policies of Bhutto’s not the decoit Zardari
Also AA is a national leader and he will stand from any constituency he wishes….even its NA124 he will win with huge margin…with support from Lawyers, PPP, NS and APDM
beacuse there is a ‘defecto’ chief justice in pakistan who had takken oath on 1973 constituion. and Supreme court {defecto] has given orders to legitmize him.
and i m sure you have all heard this saying k
Kutay ko daisi ghee hazam nahi hota
Zardari could cope with all the respect he was getting
so he decided to sink back to his own level of 10%
people have not voted for zardari
they have voted for PPP
and now if zardari decides to take of his clothes (and his father Rahman malik) and stert running in the streets you cant say that well he can do that as people has voted for PPP
Nawaz sharif has shown once again that he is a man of principles. Although his previous stints in the government are not exactly my favorite but he is showing maturity at a level never before expected of him. It seems that he has learned from his past mistakes. Now if there could be a way to get Mr 10% thinking on the right track and stop taking dictations from the Americans. We as a nation have been slaves since our inception, hell i would say that we have been slaves even before as part of the Indian sub-continent. Allama Iqbal in one of his nazams talks about the merits and demerits of tunn(body) and the munn(soul). He tells about the ills of tunn and the benefits of munn. At the end is a sher which describes our pathetic situatio
Pani Pani Kar gayee mujh ko qalandar kee yeh baat
Tu jo jhukka ghair kay agay na tun tera na mun
Awais
And Benazir lost from NWFP to an unknown candidate.Secondly Yusuf Raza Gillani was a newcomer to PPP at that time.Dont forget 1997.When from Rawalpindi to Rahimyarkhan,from lathere was not even a simple PPP MNA elected.ZAB lost to Mufti Mahmood in 1970.Hakim Ali Zardari(father of Zardari)lost from his hometown,Nawabshah in 1985,couldnt even get a few thousand votes.Qaim Ali Shah lost from his hometown,Khairpur from Ghaus Ali Shah.Zardari will lose from anywhere he contests in Punjab.Ais Mr 10% nay shaheed kay khoon ka bhi soda kar liya hai.
Now they are going to start the LONG MARCH crap. PML(N) is the part of the problem ,not a part of solution. PPP better off withot them. They dont need another partner to rob this country.
Nawaz Sharif has proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is one of the most sincere politicians in pakistani politics and deserves to be the next PM with 2/3rd majority
NS is a son of the soil. He is the one who can stand up against US…and therefore help pakistanies to stand on their feet
UNFORTUNATELY i have voted for PPP as well
so you cant tell me that people have voted for him to get hiself naked in public
i didnt vote for PPP so that Zardari can destroy the party
and i ms ure there are millions out there who feel that their vote ws wasted now
Also, Zardari says PPP will not contest elections against NS
lol
if he himself, his jaiaz father and also his najaiz father, all contest elections against NS togahter, they cant win
hahahah if you think they are najaiz fathers of zardari, then yes i do think NS is equivalent to them
but i think they would refuse to own this relationship
Rhaman malik qualifies well for this place
it is a sad day for pakistan but i salute NS for his committment with the nation, PPP will definitely say that it was wrong for NS to leave the cabinet at such a crucial stage as the budget is to be prsented next month. However, i personally believe that zardari and PPP and to blame for this nonsense.
It was absolutely ridiculous on his part to go relax in dubai due to personal reasons when the 30 day deadline was approaching…one needs to ask him that what was a bigger issue to resolve..personal or a promise made to the whole nation..
NS and his team chased him in dubai to hear what…12 more days of waiting…what did PPP do in these 12 days??
the reality is that PPP did not respect NS, SS and PMLN…if they respected them then their law minister would not have made all the statements of postponement in the deadline hours after NS has announced it…
NS only fault is that he should have understood it long ago that Zaradari is too big of a thief to restore the judiciary…no offence but PPP has shown its real character as well…
But the Fact remains PPP under the leadership of Zardari is the biggest political party of pakistan and people of pakistan has given them the mandidate to bring up any constituional ammendment.
If the people dnt Like them they will not vote for them again.
Awais
so you think Nawaz sharf is equavlent to Qaim ali shah, Hakim ali Zardari or Gaus ali shah
NO HE IS ABOVE ALL OF THEM…none of them including BB come close to the strature of NS….if you can compare NS its more with ZAB…minus ZAB’s evil harkaat
If you think that PPP will restore the Judges then you are living in a dream world.
AZ came home with NRO. All his cases have been withdrawn. Malik Q and Mush still in office.
PPP had more than 2 months to do it but they didnt. All delaying tactics.
This is not 1970′s or the 80 or the 90′s. No Bhutto is in power to bring out the people.
After BB’s death PPP should have got 2/3rd majority but it didnt, why because if PPP had taken a stand on the Judges issue they would have gotten 2/3rd.
On the other hand NS had only a few week to prepare and but he made a principal stand on the Judges issue, so PML(N) got seats, more than anyone expected.
People may eat one day and remain hungry on another but they do not receive Justice at all.
NS has made the right choice. He has taken a principled position like in 1998.
there is a big difference between bhuttos and Zardaris
Zardaris didnt give anything for this country
and he thankfully proved pretty quickly that he is not a leder of Bhuttos party
Mullah Omer did it
Saddam Hussain did it.
Hammas did it
Mugabee is doing it
Burmese Government is doing it.
But at what cost allowing your millions and millions of people get killed {by Hunger , poverty, and disease] just to show that you are brave and courageous.
come on.
Leader must see beyound the Obvious.
and Mian Nawaz Sharif lacks that.
PPP statements and their real meanings..Randi Rona done by PPP ladies (farzana raja wife of a corrupt man) and other Qwals of PPP :
PPP BS statements(real meaning)
We do not want confortation (we want to keep Musharraf as it was in NRO to keep him as president)
We want to restore judges according to constitution (We do not want to restore them at any cost..how comes these judges wanna change system in pakistan)
Roti is big issue (let these idiots fight for food and we continue our crimes)
people have many issues apart from judiciary (indulge these idiots in such a complex sitauation that they forget everything about judges…increase load shedding, increase food shortage and if possible create law and order situation)
Democracy is best revenge (its the revenge against those who voted for judiciary restoration, revenge against those judges who denied to take oath under PCO and agaisnt those who tried to stop zaradri from corruption)
We believe in reconciliation (we believe in “mil bant kay khana”..share should be given to all corrupt mafias)
Country is facing crisis (coz our mafia head zardari has looted the country without any mercy)
its all BS what PPP ladies say on TV…they should come up with some new ideas ..in two months they are finished with new bakwasiat and repeating old sh*t
PPP cannot hide its crime all the time under ethnic refuge..shame on PPP dakus ..shame on PPP waderays ..shame on PPP Jaali peers…shame on corrupt mafia headed by zaradri…zaradri should return that 100 million dollars which he looted from 1993-1996 before giving roti to this nation…PPP is a bunch of dacoits and is curse…
They said PPP will finish when
1-bhutto was sheed
2-when Benazir made as co=chairperson
3-when Jatoi Left
4-WHen Khar Left
5-when Pirzada Left
6-when accepted Ishaq khan in president
7-when banezir got marries to Zardari
But history has prove them wrong and will prove them wrong again
Admin
Is it possible for you to upload SS conversation with media at lahore airport
today. He gave an excellent explanation why judiciary is more important than
issues of economy, law and order.
I hope shahbaz becomes PR face of PMLN, he is much more effective communicator than most of PMLN leadership.
He also one of only few political leaders who has ‘DARD-E-DIL’.
I think PMLN would be much better off if they make ss as their public face.
awais
Saddam was a us agent.Always supported US.Invaded Iran,killed million muslims,killed his own people on behest of USA.And when he was no longer needed USA finished.
Mullah Umar is nothing more than a thug.A coward who ran away on a motorbike with his fellow taliban,leaving volunteers defending kabul
Hamas.Again terrorists killing innocent people.ready to recognize israel
Mugabe
he did nothing to displease usa.it was the barbarism that made usa and west turn against mugabe.
Burmese government
generals enjoying every luxury while people suffer.
All these people didnt have any courage.They were cowards
Nawaz and the PML-N have collectively taken a difficult and brave step – a step seemingly into the darkness of non-government but now the only step that could keep alive the possibility of defeating the real forces of darkness.
The game is now on … and the united forces of civil society, the lawyers movement movement, Achakzai, Imran, Qazi, acting in concert with Nawaz Sharif the PML-N and the democratic part of the media must push hard like they have never pushed before.
The future is looking brighter than it has done since the baleful face of the NRO first cast its shadow on Pakistan.
but you will agree that all these stood against the US and refuse to take any dictations.
1-Mullah omer refused to hand over Bin Laden
2-Hammad Refsued to accept Israel
3-Saddam refused to give acess to IAEA
4-Burmese Govt Refuse to leave ang Sung Su Chi insoite of US pressure.
so its easy
in Pakistan its very easy to be anti american.
But Leaders duty to not to implement what people want its the duty of the leader to implement whats right for people in Long run and then sell that to the people.
I personally think its was populist stunt to do a nuke experiment by Nawaz Sharif,
Its would have been much better to do a cold test and give a message to the world that we are reponcible {which was PPPs stand}
I feel Nawaz Sharif was left with no option owing to Mr 10% lust for retaining Musharraf at the expense of the nation. That said I can only see more turmoil for the whole nation.
My comments of yesterday are apt today too and I again appeal to the PPP to stop and reflect on their actions. In particular I appeal to the PPP to consider the complaint of the Pakistan’s flag against them that can be seen via the link below:
well done nawaz sharif for doing the right thing and for becoming musharraf B team like asif zardari…………..guyz.trust me….asif begairat is only interested in his 10 percent commission and for that he will even sell his son………
I forgot to mention ..also on the side of light against darkness are those within the PPP who oppose what has happened to their party. The collapse of the PPP is not in Pakistan’s interest … they too must exert what strength they have at this this time to regain for the real PPPers their own party.
The difference ie right and wrong. It is not about what is good for people and what is bad for people. PPP stance is morally wrong, and NS decision is morally right.
You would say morals are relative. But hey your are entitled to yours.
We the netizens of pkpolitics are learning and we clearly see where PPP is heading.
You said that Ch Iftikhar is not free and fair. Is your own personal stance or PPP official stance? Can you give any reference to any PPP leader saying this in media?
You said constitutional change would be required to put back the judges? Are you saying that the act done on 3rd is now part of constitution ??? and another amendment will be required to undo the 3rd November act?
I have been noticing your postings on a lot of other sites also, like Teeth Maestro and All Things Pakistan. Your posts rarely say anything meaningful about the issue at hand, but simply ask the reader to read the “scoops” you claim you have posted on your website. But most of the things you seem to be saying on your website have already been said, by lots of people before you, in the thread that you post to. This is like running a teaser trailer for a 1988 movie in 2008 which everybody has already seen.
You seem to have gone to a lot of effort in buying the domain name etc and designing your website. But there is a problem bro, whatever you are saying on your website is not original. You have nothing new to say. (Forgive me if I am blunt). I don’t think you are an agency guy. I agree with most of what you say on your website (if I manage to get past all the loaded emotional meaningless language). You simply seem to desperately want to have a blog where people come and discuss hi-fi stuff.
But this doesn’t seem to be working and so you have to visit a lot of websites and post polite and well-meaning messages and tease people to please please visit your website. Maybe you are trying to be somebody you are not? Perhaps you are trying to impress someone? I didn’t see any advertising on your website, and I can see that you are not trying to bring traffic to your website solely for advertising money. So, where is the catch?
This is a discussion forum with a large audience. Do you think people will be really interested in leaving this forum and will migrate to your website to have a discussion?
I think you are a well-meaning guy and having read your messages for sooo long all over the internet, I thought to make a few suggestions. I don’t like it when people ignore you and your posts non-chalantly and you have to come back and post a new message with your website address at the end with a “Feimanallah”. I think you have been putting your energy in the wrong place far too long. Consider this advice as coming from a helpful passerby, OK?
Hopefully you won’t mind.
1. Get a normal blog, from blogspot or WordPress etc
2. Do not post emotional, rambling rants.
3. Say something original, interesting. (You know the quote: “Its best to keep your mouth shut and be considered intelligent than to open it and remove all doubt”). As an example check pejamistri‘s blog. He is a frequent poster here.
4. Stay on pkpolitics and engage people in discussions. Include your blog website address in your pkpolitics id. This way, you will be debating people directly here and if somebody is more interested in what you have to say, they will click on your id and go directly to your website. Everybody is happy…..
not too long ago…before the elections ; your (ppp) use of ‘we’ meant PPP and other democratic forces for free media and judiciary. sad…how power trips..!
a sad day for ppp-ists…indeed…when bherria brigade of bhai is its friend..the faujistanic forces ..its feeder…and the democratic forces for free media and free judiciary…its fodder…strange and sad day indeed!!!
Are there any Graffiti artists out there in Pakistan. We can start a compaign against dogar courts, Busharraf, and PPP(Z) by chalking the walls.
Anybody with required skills there.
I think you forgert that Its was PPP who brough these banned Media persons in.
previously they were Banned by PEMRA
and it was PPP who removed their Ban trhough PEMRA and can say what ever they want to say
They are in Millions
you have atleast seen 2-3 million when Benair came to Pakistan.
so you better come and fight them in elections rather than doing their cheap stunts.
How much does one spray paint cost cost?It was for Rs 60 when I was in Fsc. You dont have to buy the best quality paint. It is available on auto paint shop.
Good idea for graffiti. But would that change anything? Would the pro-judiciary graffiti overcome the spam from Fayyaz ka Ugam Halwa, Perfume Chowk, Mardana Taqat, Shabab Clinic? hehe…
But a good idea. During the emergency they did something very interesting. They used a simple ‘eject’ symbol of VCRs, mp3 players etc as a message that we want to eject this regime.
May I suggest something like this for the potential graffiti maestro:
nawaz sharif cannot even restore judges. now what he will do with his “mandate” he got on judges issue? what about the oath he took with his fellows? he should sit in opposition now!
GO NS GO!
Has anyone seen Live with Talat today? It was a ruthless review of PPP’s u-turn on judges issue, after having sacrificed lives of dozens of their workers in the struggle. I don’t think media is going to be free very long.
@ Awais
“you have atleast seen 2-3 million when Benair came to Pakistan.
so you better come and fight them in elections rather than doing their cheap stunts.”
In your words” A thing of the past. You can’t stay on one event”
@awais
PPP is a history mate. Benazir deceived poor people and after she is murdar..ed, zardari & Co has done a favour to us and did something that we could not have done in another 10 years.
No one can stop the revolution in Pakistan.
Qadam barhao NS, Hum tumharay saath hin
Talat spent one hour to show contradiction in PPP stance and target audience were PPP workers, he raised question to leadership at the end to tell if these judges are bad enough not be restored than why PPP offered it’s workers life just to receive CJ let alone restoring it. If you are worker, does that question opens your eyes? if you are a leader could you please share answer with us too?
as i responded previous
they {establishment and their collaborators said PPP is history when
1-bhutto was sheed
2-when Benazir made as co=chairperson
3-when Jatoi Left
4-WHen Khar Left
5-when Pirzada Left
6-when accepted Ishaq khan in president
7-when banezir got marries to Zardari
8-when Aitzaz allegedly gave lists to India {its was nawaz sharif who made this allegation}
Ns is the only leader who deserves to be in power.His sacrifice has proved that.
I would urge other honest people like Ik , Qazi,Achakzai and ANP to strengthen his cause now.
I do appreciate the step NS has taken. The best possible scenario which can come out of this:
‘N’ resigns from ministership
‘Q’ refuses to come on board as they will be further hated by the masses
‘N’ remains on treasury benches and keeps the pressure on ‘gulu badshah’ i.e. mush
In the meantime, all AZ’s cases are dropped(which he is buying time for, I think there is another hearing on 16th may) and then he can go ahead with the agenda of ‘jujon ki bahali’…….
…………………………………………no sure but just trying to stay positive
I have just returned from another and less signinficant “battle” and got the good news. Thanks to PML-N for doing the obvious, but what next? Will PML-N be watching from the sideline or will you join the lawyers movement along side APDM?
I think if Mian Sahab Has a little bit of Political Wisdom he need to support the GOVT and in the meanwhile Zardari will Bring a Constitutional ammendment to reinstate all the Juges old and new and solve this mess {legally} , which was illegally creates by Musharraf
@awis
listen to your heart mate.Dont waste your energy fighting the truth.Is what zardari did honourable?Is that what you really wanted him to do?
Its not like changing the religion if you change your political party. After all we are voters and we should vote those who deserve that on that very day. I still cant believe that jyalas have accepted a chick as their Chairman and then they claim to be democrative as well.Ask you heart mate?
Are you a piece of furniture of BB’s dowry who has been gifted to Zardari and then will be inherited to that chick, or you are a human being with political ideoly,will and a character?
Are you just a Jyala or an educated voter who would vote express freely on issues.
@mbokhari
mate ,any comments on how cool zardari and chooran walli were looking together/
where is Tk? he probably can guess what chooran wali was trying to find on the roof while he was taliking?
i hope with near future people of pakistan will be able to see the hidden face of ppp.As i always believe the remote control of PPP iS in Washington DC.MUSharraf,PP,Altaf hussain,all together,and they never wanted to change the system.the biggest threat to paksitan has been done by ppp,b/c they are always shouting for democracy,poverty,and justice,and they always hijacked any movement for judiciary.
sensible people of paksitan should see the reality of ppp.But inshallah it is doing good for pakistan as people will atleast now identify them.
Sorry….that would be a waste of time. Enough time has been provided PPP. If they had sincere intentions then the judges would have been reinstated a long time ago. In my view PML-N must take a full step rather than a half step i.e. they must join the lawyers movement to exert maximum pressure on those negative forces (PPP and GHQ).
No one voted for AZ, everyone voted for a change…….I reckon the earlier sentiments of recognizing people’s mandate has vanished and AZ is now more worried to have enough cash to pay for Bilawal’s Uni fees…and a little bit in the coffers for the rainy days…..cant blame the guy…everyones for themselves….I feel sorry for the ppl who actually thought this was the momment of change….
SALAM EVERY ONE,
My dear pakistani brothers around the world its a moment of shame for all of us that we are begging for independence for independence of judicery and political parties are playing their game.I do not belong to any party at all iam a common pakistani outside pakistan.My heart pains when i see my country is in the hands of crooks,hypocrates,tyrants and trators.I can smell great future for my loving country once we get rid of these power hungry dogs.I can sense evil plots against mumliqate Pakistan but INSHAHALLAH we will come out of this.I wish and pray that people of Pakistan soon recognize ground realities and never play in the hands of Mafaad Parast and power thirsty politicians and their Maffad Parrast Chamchay’s.
Awais
You dont need to legalise illegal acts by legislations,by doing so you resognise that they were legal.And PPP is full of people like Farooq Naek,Latif Khosa and Babar Awan,who are an insult to the legal profession.Most notably Rehman Dakait aka Rehman Malik, the self proclaimed establishment
Bhai Awais!!
ye zuban-e-halaq hai………..kab tak muqaabila karro gay iss mahlooq ka?? kiss kiss ko jawab dou gay? dont you think for a while that may be the stance of so many people on this website (who are scattered across the globe, are educated and aware enuf of everything that is around) is right????
My conviction is that on this website almost everyone supports somebody or some party only on issue basis. No one has taken any oath to support PPP or PML-N. These are mostly neutral guys having no personnel or party agenda. So one should try to believe in what they are saying……………..i mean reconsidering your policy of blind support towards PPP. Excuse me if you mind anything.
me too neutral but obviously what else can i do than supporting NS stand at this point in time. God knows the secret intentions of these politician but I see that somebody has scarified power for principle. If tomorrow somebody else does the same or similar i would be first to second him. As simple as that!
Response to those who claim PPP is clear on its stance
PPP is an expert at convulting simple issues to conceal their ulterior motives. They always mix up the issue of restoration of judges with poverty allievation. I can’t understand the connection.
Is their law minister and his staff also busy drafting agriculture and energy policy?
This is obviously a detraction and not a very creative one.
NS should join APDM now.
Imran Khan and APDM’s decision to boycott elections wasn’t that bad after all.
Imran Khan raised the sloagan of “Independent Judiciary” about 13 years ago and today every mouth in Pakistan is shouting the same. Great Imran Khan will eventually become voice of masses in Pakistan.
They failed to deliver solution of the burning issues? Do we realise that the
Change of Socio-political system is inevitable for the prosperity of the people
and Pakistan.
Pakistan is passing through a crucial time and is in imminent need for system, instead of change of faces, let the people of Pakistan be the real stake holder and empower them to decide the fate of their generation.
Since the creation of Pakistan the Pakistani people are left at distant from the corridor of power so that the ruling elite can do what they wanted to do in favour of their interest, leaving the Pakistani people at the mercy of circumstances. As this policy is denial of right of Pakistani people to rule their country according to their aspiration and desire to built this country, which can provide equal opportunity to all without any discrimination for the establishment of welfare society. Only the society base on tolerance, equality and justice can be the real guarantee for the prosperous and strong Pakistan there for your intent is invited to the crucial movement which could be the point of distraction or disaster.
No one has dare to trust the Pakistani people and involved them in to the day to day decision making process with intention to develop a sense of participation in to the decision making process affecting the future of their country and their generation at large and share the real benefit of democracy, but, due to the conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits, deprivation and opinions of the masses being an important element within so-called democratic society, they manipulate this elements of society to constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.
Sometimes the effect on the public is created by a professional propagandist, sometimes by an amateur deputed for the situation. The important thing is that it is universal and continuous; and in its sum total is regimenting the public mind every bit by bit, as possible to keep the masses away from the corridor of power. The systematic study of mass psychology, revealed to the ruling click the potentialities of (indiscernible groups within the society) manipulation of the society by actuate man, It is essential moments for all patriotic and intellectual to sincerely think and understand the mechanism and motives of the ruling elite, the way they practice, propagate has provided a clue that it is possible, at least up to a certain extent and within certain limits that, we can introduce the alternate socio-political system to replace the present undemocratic system.
Because ,It will be difficult to expect any thing positive at this stage because, return of political leadership of PPP and PML(N) to Pakistan was subject to condition, political coalition cannot take creative action or dare to change policy in the national interest till general Musharaf is as president, current government need to take patriotic political decision in the interest of Pakistan without fear of American anger or their commitment and support during mediation process with USA, but the national interest has again been ignored for the sake of power and external interest.
The time is rapidly changing; the voice of the people especially wise and snooty idea could not be stopped any more. The honest struggle of the people, regarding the Change of socio-political system will affect the heart and mind of the people, and once Pakistani made up their mind for the change of system,we will succeed in creating public opinion.
We have already lost the major part of Pakistan in 1971 simply to save the centralized sole power to exploit this country by the ruling elite they let the country break in part then allowing the masses to rule this country democratically. In the present circumstances we are again dragging our sovereignty at stake for the external interest in the name of national interest, instead of our interest i.e. the interest of Pakistani people at large.
The question of the time is,do we really deserve further destruction of our country ? or do we need the stable Pakistan, of our dream ?. Now the ball is in the courts of all patriotic people, intellectual ,women,youth ,laborer, farmers, media and those believed in the might, peace and prosperity of Pakistan.
The only way out of these crucial circumstances is to empower the common Pakistani at grass route level i.e. the change of system. This change is inevitable for the prosperous Pakistan .As a citizen of this country I have suggested an alternate socio-political system to empower the masses at grass route level for rapid industrial and agriculture development with transparency and accountability in the system. Along with basic guarantees for the creation of welfare state, where in public representative and institution shall be answerable and accountable to the masses. As a person I cannot turn the table but together we can.
Kindly acknowledge with your comments.
Kindly see web site….www.idp.org.pk
Ilyas khan Baloch
Organizer Islamic Democratic Party
Assalam Alaikum Everyone,
I think if we get a hold of statistics about the literacy rate of Pakistan, then we shall know thats its 50%. Most of the educated people in Pakistan dont cast their vote unless its related to their relatives promotions or some other personal benefits. When the majority of illiterate and poor people cast their vote, then its obvious that an illiterate person like Zardari shall come in power.
one thing is clear…we are blind supporters as a nation…or we support people for personal benefits.. there were still people supporting mush when he declared martial law…now there are still jiyalas who are posting comments in support of zardari….why cant we support or reject leaders on issues is what i am unable to understand….
Q: How will you work with Busharraf?
BB Shaheed,…co chaiman…bhutto shaheed….karkun ….jail…..bilawal….zardari….jail….bhutto…..BB sahiba….BB shaheed…..BB shaheed…bbsahiba….BB kee …keee
I am sick of listening to this verbatim on BB shaheed.
First of all, she was not shaheed by any definition. She was following and implementing American policy ,and this has been recently confirmed by Zardari in his interview with kashif, secondly our problem is ot how she was murdared..but the fact that every day 12 pakistanis are commiting suicide.
Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz Announces withdrawal with Federal Cabinet. PMNL will handover their resignations tomorrow to Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gillani.
I am sure soon there is going to be a forward blobk within PPP, may be headed by Amin Fahim. I feel sorry for Aitzaz though, he is in a really diffcult situation.
About bl***y time! …
Any Video Admin?
FINALLY :
We have someone in Pakistan who can stand for PRINCIPLES …
I know some will talk about the real intentions but credit is due here
Everybody talks about ‘USOOLON KI SIYASAT” but this is a refreshingly rare phenomenon.
I am not a Muslim leegi but HATS OFF to Muslim League…
Shame on Zardari …..
Just for the record: Well done Nawaz Sharif and the PML-N team.. You did not cross over into the ‘be-ghairati” territory! Bravo!
i urge PML(N) that please make some big decisions…only Resignations from Federal Cabinet is not enough..PML (N) should bring resolution and expose PPP/MQM and others who stand against restoration of judges ..in that way real stance of ANP will be clear also…
second PML (N) should support lawyers movement openly…theyshould not be a collaborator of zaradri behind the curtains…
i have no doubt about sincerity of NS but i have my doubts about his courage to make big decisions…
we want Musharraf out and CJ restored
NS participating in election from NA 52 (ch.nisar seat) from rawalpindi…
and zaradri said that PPP will not nominate candidate from there ..lol..even if PPP nominate any candidate he will be humiliated..
@ sleepingnation
well said
@zawarmas
“I feel sorry for Aitzaz though, he is in a really diffcult situation”
The situation is really not difficult but as clear as can be. On one side truth and justice. On the other Zardari. Hmmmmmm
I dont think it was a good idea to express his desire to run elections at this moment.
aitzaz has to decide he has two wives and now he has to choose one
PPP (zardari)
lawyers movement
Respectable members of PPP like Aitzaz Ahsan, Raza Rabbani, Makhdoom Amin should immediately leave the party.
I wonder if PPP members would have anything left to say now, except their shahadats and qurbania’s…
Nawaz Shariff is the only one who can show middle finger to Americans and do what is best for Pakistan, as he proved this in 1998.
If PML-N stays united, than general elections are just around the corner, and this will ensure the end of zardari the snake!
Well done NS!
SHAME ON PPP-MQM-Fazlu!!!
Kadam Barhao Nawaz Sharif – Hum Tumharay Saath Hain…
Being sad on one side for the break down of the colition I am happy that NS is not taking emotional steps (for example even giving up Punjab gov or giving harsh remarks against PPP). I think this slow pressure will work. NS has also wisely said that I hope that civil society and students will second him in restoration of the judges but he did not say so about the LAWYERS which will be his next card. I feel PPP will soon come to knees as preparing budget for them is also difficult and as it ll not be a people friendly budget so they definetly need backing from PMLN at that point both in term of support and expertise.
I think above all pkpolitics.com needs a bit of credit for their continous efforts in exposing the establishment.
Also well done NS.
I disagree with Asif Zardar’s so called reconsciliation approach. Once can 2 borthers and 2 sisters in one house, but neither two husbands nor two wives. He got to be clear in his thoughts.
I think above all pkpolitics.com needs a bit of credit for their continous efforts in exposing the establishment.
Also well done NS.
I disagree with Asif Zardar’s so called reconsciliation approach. One can have 2 borthers and 2 sisters in one house, but neither two husbands nor two wives. He got to be clear in his thoughts.
chaa gaya sher
excellent decision. atleast now no one can say that Nawaz didnt give the traitor P-League a chance. Nawaz Sharif should whole-heartedly join the lawyers movement now against the Mush-P-League govt. bring these b*stards down, elections are just round the corner. now is the time for that big march to the Army House that aitzaz had been talking about(dont know whether he has been castrated already by 10% or not). im sure the army jawans wont show the beghairati of firing at the crowds, but if they do then its the start of the revolution, which is also a good thing. the media is the best thing that ever happened to Pakistan, otherwise we would have been going round in the same suicidal circles that we have been going through for the past 60 years. army, corrupt politicans, shahadats, army, corrupt politicians, army, shahadats, return of mr 10%…..
Yeah Right!
So…
Well Done pkpolitics.com
Well Done Nawaz Shariff
Congratulations to nawaz and his dare devils,They atleast keep their actions according to their words.For the last years politicans were defamed as they change their stanze as per requirement but leaving ministries for justice cause should be put in respectable place and encourage sharif.God knows what are real intentions of sharif’s family as he has shown this surpirse courage after meeting with US messenger the butcher of Pakistan.
Jisay Amrika Izzat dey woo Z@LIL hoga ( Zardari, MUSH).
Jisay ALLAH Izzat dey who Kamyab hoga (People, Lawyers).
Well done NS. Man of word.
PPP is no more the part of ZAB and BB. It is now officially Mush’s A-Team.
good job….
I am beginning to think that within PPP there are two pressure points…
One is led by Rahman Malik and Naik perhaps with some consent from Zardari. The other is not led by anyone but cosnists of people such as Raza Rabbani, Sherry Rahman and others. This is somewhat like the US Establishment having hawks and doves. I have no doubt that those who supported the CJ moment till late last year could not just turn around and now become anti-restoration. But they are finding themeselves, perhaps, in even more difficult situation than A Ahsan. If you are of lesser standing, party line – even if personally unacceptable – become important.
NS’s action and sustained pressure from civil society will help strengthen this other group and weaken Rahman Malik and Co through which, I think, the Presidency is working.
check this from Mushtaq Minhas and farhat ullah Babar, on this issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze2nqUQ3ILg
There has been a clear difference in recent statements regarding judiciary/musharraf’s impeachment by Farhatullah Babar and others within the PPP.
MM is SHERDIL.
GEO MM.
Although it was a big disappointment that Zardai failed to restore judges,
Howver, he has exposed himself and his backdoor deeds. The best thing came out of this disappointment is the some one in Pakistan stood for principle. Nawaz Sharif & PML-N need our appreciation and the help of all Pakistanis to foil the evil designs of conspirators and their external masters.
It is good step by Nawas Sharif and a blow to so called national reconciliation. I believe PPP believed that Nawas Sharif is just building pressure and will not like to loose the share in the government. Now that he has made his move PPP will have to take PMLN’s stand seriously. Losing PMLN, PPP will not be able to rest in peace. The real problems will start now. It will be interesting to see that how PPP will solve the problems of employment, electricity and food shortage with their new love MQM.
Best decision.
Curse PPP, “shaheedon ki party”, hehe
sad for the democratic forces in Pakistan…..NS fell for what the establishment exactly want……….an argument to say “democratic forces are not capable of running the country”………….poor decision by a man who has always made bad decisions…………..election boycott…twice…and finally finally….after months he admitted that it was not a correct decision…I have no doubt that although this has a “feel good” factor but it is incorrect decision by leader without vision………….SORRY TO SAY BUT NS has not learnt a lesson………..This decision will strengthen MUSH…Well done NS…..
I think, the TV anchors should press PPP on one point: Why are they so eager to keep the current judges? They must push the PPP leaders on this point.
The isuse is important and should be linked to the status of the Musharraf’s dismissal of SC on November 3. If that act was illegal, automatically the current judges become illegal. Why then insist of keeping these judges?
There are four types of SC judges currently on the scene:
1. Those who need to be restored
2. Those who were judges on Nov. 2 and took oath under PCO
3. Those who were promoted from High Court
4. Those who were brought back from retirement
If Nov. 3 act was illegal, the category 4 should go back to their retirement and category 3 back to the High Court. That leaves only category 2 and 1 and they form the Sc as it was on Nov.2.
I am aware that some anchors come to visit this site, I am requesting them to press PPP leadership on this point with the kind of data I am suggesting.
@ Paf123
well NS doesn’t have to strengthen mush, as PPP have already done their job.
Well done PML-N.
Aitzaz is getting too much idealist and emotional about PPP. He should bear in mind it is not Bhutto’s PPP now. This PPP is nothing more then a mafia of dacoits and oppertunists being headed by Zardari. So, even though it will be hard for him to break-away from his loyalty, Aitzaz should get out of PPP (if he doesn’t forsee any revolution within PPP). Afterall, it’s not people or groups/parties per se, it is the agenda/manifesto/principles that one needs to be loyal with. Who asks Aitzaz to leave those principles (the lost treasure) laid down by the great Bhutto. I think today’s PPP is an insult to Bhutto and the persons like Aitzaz, Raza Rabbani, Amin Faheem (and all kick-out good guys) should make sincere efforts to rescue Bhutto’s PPP from these sons of …..
GOOD ON NS.
THE REAL HERO
ZARDARI MR. 10% THIS IS YOUR LAST GOVT. YOU WONT GET HERE NEXT TIME INSHALLAH.
NS Press Conference at Geo website
http://www.geo.tv/stream/video/index.html
i think NS did aitezaz ahsan a favor by announcing to run on NA55…this way he doesn’t have to turn down the party ticket ..i.e: leave PPP…and still enables him to take the struggle for a free judiciary forward..
guessing ofcourse.
@ibnrazi : “I am aware that some anchors come to visit this site, I am requesting them to press PPP leadership on this point with the kind of data I am suggesting.”
Very good points and a noble thought, but the problem is that Peoples Party “Leaders” start their “raNDi rona” every time they are asked questions that require honesty and incidentally unmask their monumental hypocrisy.
So, we can expect “ShaheedooN ki PaaRtee”, “Shaheed Bhutto ki qurbani”.. “Panch lashaeN GhaRi Khuda Bakkhsh..” .. LasheN LaaSheN .. maut.. shaheed.. blah blah.. but NO Straight Answer to the questions the Nation is asking.
Zarari ko Makhdoom Amin Fahim ki bad-duaa lag gai!
@kafka8: “where’s peja?”
.. me too! 
@CHEEMA
Don’t worry..AZ know that well. Therefore, he and his buddies will make sure to ‘collect’ as much as they can before they ‘choo mantar’. People will be saying Saukat Aziz, Mush and Q corruption was peanuts….. I pray, I am completely wrong and get an egg on my face..pray
@tk
ur right…(sniff…sniff) they do that …dont they. but i think talat can cut through the bruhaha…and expose them. although…i am not sure how they will react…given whats circulating about threats to media..
this is interesting stuff….(alas) why would the govt/establishment make the same mistake twice …and why is PPP allowing itself to be abused this way…(they have literally bent over…and defending their right to be bu*&ered by the faujistanic forces….but that they are doing this…clearly defines the haves and the have-nots…of ZAMIR in this case…
In my personal opinion, NS is no more than an opportunist , just like Zardari.
Why should we hate Zardari?
And why on earth should we love NS?
Zardari is doing what he is supposed to do. Is it difficult to observe that while Zardari is staging the drama of “bhai-chara” with NS, his cases are being written off due NRO. Why on earth would he go against Musharaf. He has been brought back to help Musharaf and we’ll see in coming days that he WILL do that.
NS has never been a brave leader. He ran away when he saw several years of jail in front of him and came back due the same NRO which benifitted Zardari. NS knew from the very first day that this is not his election, so he chose to invest on the next one and high jacked the lawyers movement. Now he is trying to win our sympathies for next elections.
We do not need likes of NZ or AZ. We need a REAL leader. A leader like Mao Tse-Tung, a leader like M.A. Jinnah, a leader like Mahathir bin Mohamad. Pakistan has no future without a new leader. I am hoping to live long enough to see such a leader in Pakistan. Because these leaders we have, they can not give us something as they do not have spare time from looting us.
Some political leader form PPP should come farward and take charge of PPP, It hsould not lead by un elected people llike Zardari and Rahman Malik.
@
kafka
as far as i heard from media that NS is contesting from NA 52 (Ch.Nisar Ali seat) not from NA 55..both are Rawalpindi seats but NS is contesting from seat vacant by Ch.Nisar that is NA-52
The much awaited had happened …i am not surprised …
Insan ka Mazi us kay musatqbil ki akkasi kerta hay …
What could you expect from someone who has billions on his shoulders , looted from the Pakistan ..and the one who came in through NRO .???
We are really innocent that we built our hopes from him
Zardari and Rahman Malik both are choors and they are doing what they do best. Once a cheeter always a cheeter. Kutte ki dum kabhi sedi nahi hoti.
How can some one like zardari support the restoration of judges when he himself has came through bypassing the judiciary and with the direct interference of Americans
NA-52
zaradri has said that PPP will not nominate any candidate from there..he is not giving any favour coz on 18th february PPP candidate got only 11000 votes whereas Ch.Nisar got 75000 votes so PPP was defeated with the margin of 64000 votes..any in the present situation PPP candidate if they nominate one will not get even 5000 votes….zardari cant make people fool..he is a loser
Well done PML(N) under the leadership of Nawaz Sharif ,you people standing with the voice of Pakistani nation,we are with you and praying for you.Do More to secure Pakistan and forget about PPP because leadership of PPP don’t have any kind courage to solve matter and thay still having black sheeps in shape of Rehman Malik,Mr Attorney General, and others favored by Mush dictator.
sher aa gaya aur sher cha gaya
mian day naaray vagan gay
its time for Aitezaz and other loyal PPP leaders to come fwd and get rid of Zardari and his father Rahman malik
thats what PPP leadership should do
but i m not sure if there is anyone man enough in PPP’s ranks
@TK,
The real question is where is “Faheem23″. I was hoping that NS will walk out from cabinet and I am glad he did. So we can see there are people who can walk the walk also.
“aitzan to come out and get rid of Zardari”
i can laugh on your statement.
Actually it was mian sahab who want to do an illegal act to rectify another rectify act.
its simply wrong.
Mark my words
now PPP will reinstate the Judges with simple resolution and constitutional ammendment to keep these PCO judges in Court as well.
Well done NS, koi to commitment sincerity show kar rha hai Awaam k saath!!!
Nawaz Shareef please tell us the truth and expose PPP and all others …
Nawaz Sharif showing sicerity.
hahahhahhahhaahahhhahahahhahhahahahhahahahhahahhaahah
PPP has got more votes than Mr Sharif and his Party much more than him almost doubled.
Awam kiss kay saaath hein ya awam koo kon represent kerta hai its a different debate.
Its a good step taken PML N especially Nawaz Shariff the whole nation was not expecting this from Zardari he has proved once again that he cant be trusted in any way.
It’s Rightly called the moment where some of the party members and whole nation once again Misses Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto.
but Zaradari again lets every one down.
But Truth Will Win sooner or later. INSHALLAH
God Bless Pakistan
I wish all the best to NS, as he has proved to be the only PAKISTANI alive on the political scene. A more “all out” antagonism to “Mush Zard Rehman malik” alliance against pakistan would be more appreciated. Although I strongly recommend that Aitezaz should quit PP and join hands with Nawaz,,, I wish People of Pakistan could prove a bit more tolerant to the menaces spread by musharaf ,esp the elect and flour thing, and have more voice on the streets to kick this bastard out of the presidency or army house, where evrer he is hiding and conspiring against this nation. And I’m sure that people who voted for the shaheedon ki party would be cursing the fateful day when Zardari acquired the hot seat of destroying the country,,, and is now in full concurrence with Fuckinn’ US through Rehan Malik, Hussein Haqqani and F H Naik. May allah strengthen this nation to have mercy on this country and rid them of those bastards who’ve made us look like majboors…….
Awais
2/3rd majority to keep PCO judges will be brought bu your uncle CHOORAN WALI SARKAR?. PPP cant increase the number of judges.
I dont understand that what kind of leaders we got ? Elected Rep leaders are the one who makes the law, what kanooni masla masayal that they must have to keep those Pervaiz COmpany (PCO) Judges, PPP is on CEO seat, what kind of CEO are they that they cant hire or fire or rehire institutions and personalities? Why PPP is so scared of CJ ? As they demand almost every day that Zardari was wrongly in jail for all that time and no one could prove it yet, if Zardari is clean than why his pants keep get wetting on CJ issue?
Some how okay if we take this phenomenum that there was a deal between Zardari & Mush on this issue, than why PPP keep forgetting thats it is people of Pakistan who gave them the pilot seat, not MUSH> .
Dheet
its was PPP PM who released the Judges.
refresh your memory otherwise insite of all the great movement of Lawyers and Civil socity all your judges were house arrest.
Awais
If you take away the sympathy votes away from those polled by PPP.There is no difference between the votes polled by PPP and PMLN
PPP is absoluty Clear
its want to reinstate Judges but with consitituional ammendment.
thats it.
You cannt do an illegal act to rectify an other illegal act.
simple
ralo99
where was the sympathy vote???
tell me
PPP has got more seats in Sindh in the past.
PPP has got more seat in Punjab in Past
so how can you say that PPP got sympathy vote this time
PPP is clear
we dnt think Ch Iftikhar is a free and Fair Judge.
But we will resinstate him not beacuse he is free and fair beacause the way he was sacked was wrong
he is just slightly better than Dogger.
To be very simple. People wanted change so they participated in elections, but what has changed PPP hasn’t even changed the attorney general, let alone others. PPP ministers even vowed to keep the same policies , as mush and co. Bringing change is termed confrontation by PPP.
As much as I like the stance taken by the PML-N, I am not sure what to expect now.
Isn’t it turning out to be a win-win for establishment? Chances are that PPP is bracing itself for a backlash from media and lawyers (perhaps PML-N will stay low in coming days). If PPP is able to counter the lawyer movement well and good and if not, that will be even better for the establishment. Establishment has us fighting with an elected parliament within few weeks of its inception – it is like dream come true for them
@awais
supporting Zardari and PPP leadership (not the workers) at this point is such a non sense thing to do that i dont think we i should comment any further of ur thoughts, period
NS by making this decision has written his name in history of pakistan politics.
i said it before on this forum that NS has bought decency and civilisation…… to what has been an ugly political culture in pakistan. His decision to satnd down from cabinet but continue to support PPP on issue by issue basis is commendable. I am sure NS by taking this decision will strenghten democratic culture in pakistan
I wish Chor Zardari- Bhutto had tenth the courage which NS showed (by supporting restoration of judiciary) this way we may have put an end to army takeovers, lessen US interference in our domestic matters, brought real power to people of Pakistan, help create true political leaders for future………………….and most importantly ‘stick to his words’
Long live NS, long live PMLN ………… Down with PPP, AZ, Mush and allies
@awais
not too long ago…before the elections ; your (ppp) use of ‘we’ meant PPP and other democratic forces for free media and judiciary. sad…how power trips..!
@Awais
“Mark my words”
Which ones?
– now PPP will reinstate the Judges with simple resolution and constitutional ammendment to keep these PCO judges in Court as well.
OR
– PPP is absoluty Clear its want to reinstate Judges but with consitituional ammendment.
Mian Sahab is playing a Media Game and trying to be a hero and want to show PPP as Villon
but PPP has alway made decision which PPP think are right irrespective what the Media says.
PPP was against Jihadies when all the media was supporting them in 80s and 90s.
PPP was pro-India when all the media was anti-India
PPP didnt thought Afghan war as Jihad when all Pakistani Media was saying its as a Holy war.
PPP was against General Muhammad Zia Ul Haq when Media was portraying him as Merd-e-momin.
so PPP does what it think is right not what media says is right
baaa…baaa….baaaa= ppp-z
nota
you didnt heard Farhat Ullah Baber he said
PPP will reinstate the Judges with simple Resolution but will bring a constitution ammendment to increase the number of judges in the supre courte.
for those criticising AA…..and asking him to leave PPP…..please leave him alone. if he doesnt want to leave PPP its his choice…….by him sticking with PPP at least we can say there is at least one person in the ruling party who has dignity and respect and is sincere with the nation…..and he therefore may be able to provide guidance (which is badly needed!) to PPP ‘leadership’ which currently consists of one teenager and two others (AZ and RM) with mental age of a teenager!
@awais,
so there’s no chance of PPP joining hands with Q-league (forward bloc or not) to sustain the govt.? will you say that there are compulsions in forming govt. with Q even though they are the suspected conspirators in BB’s murder?
@Awais,
PPP PM freed judges, LOL
Bro, that was the deal with NS that the first order by PM should be about the burning issue, FREE THE JUDGES before going into negotiation of there reinstatment.
Dheet
who said that it was a deal by nawaz Sharif?
PPP dnt take dictations from Nawaz Sharif you have seen that in the talks
guess Chooran Wali Sarkar asking NS to stay in federal govt……when his party is not even part of it!!……………….all these Mush chamchas have got their braines fitted under their feet !!
@R.Z.Waraich
I have not read all the mails and hence perhaps someone has already responded to you…
first, a factual error…NS did not come back to the country on NRO…in fcat, you may recall he was flown back on September 10th.
– as a side comment, perhaps many Chinese would disagree with you with regard to called Mao a great leader…
second, I appreciate your sentiments about finding a great leader. But my friend how is such a leader found? Lets take Jinnah, he did not come out of nowhere. A long list of leaders – big and small – preceded and accompanied him. Leaders emerge through a process.
It si true that Zardari and NS are not ideal leaders…but if we allow the democratic process to continue, over time better leaders will emerge and in time another great leader my appear…
the whoel tragedy of Pakistan has been that the democratic process was never allowed to continue. Few yeras of civilian rule and then a long military rule. An example is to think of a child learning to walk. When a child learns to walk, s/he falls, gets hit and so on…but parents let all thsi happen and soon child learns to walk properly. If everytime the child falls the parents were to pick him up and not allow his to learn, the child would not be walking even at the age of 60. This is exactly what has happened in Pkaistan.
Finally, what has military rule given to Pakistan? Out of the 60 yeras, military has ruled for 36 years. So if you are angry with leaders, please show it more towards military than towards civilains.
so, my friend, I request you to think beyond individuals and in ‘now and here’…think institutionally and historically…
Ibn Razi
Awais
without sympathy wave,PPP would have been routed.This time PPP won highest number of seats from Punjab,NWFP and Balochistan.This doesnt counts the rigged elections 1977.According to you PPP is very popular.If we believe you,then can you tell us,who will win,if there is a contest between Zardari and some ordinary PMLN worker anywhere in Punjab
Malek
I would request you to ask Mr AA to fight an election from na 124 his own seat against any PPP Candidate.
he will come to know How much “nation” loves him
PPP has so many other of his caliber if not more.
“If someone thinks he is bigger than the party one should leave and form his own party”
thats what Benazir said to Aitzaz in LONDON in CEC meeting
@Awais
The unpopular decisions that PPP took in the past were inine with its left-of-the-centre leanings. It may be that media and establishment was not gung-hu about those decisions but the PPP cadre can relate to the wisdom of those decision. What PPP has done now is difficult to absorb even after given all the benefits of doubt to the PPP leadership.
BTW: PPP was also instrumental in creating Taliban (a blemish on a party opposing religious extremism)
PPP stance according to them is that they never favor military involvement. What about mush then? Who is he? Who does he represent? Why is PPP reluctant in just saying ” We don’t accept Mush as a legitimate prez.”
Thats it.
I think it is a toughf time 4 Pakistan who has been govern by corrupt people like mush. with AZ 10% regeme.But there are also some great people like Nawaz Shareef,Imran Khan,Qazi Hussain,Mahmood Khan Achakzai and Iftikhar Choudhri
its such a shame to see a graet party like PPP getting destroyed by Zardari and his father Rahman malik
if you hide there faces and lsiten to how they talk, you cant tell if this is PPP leadership or PMLQ leadership
no difference at all
@Dheet
freeing judges by PPP PM was infact a ploy…….so they could get lawyers to suspend their movement for time being and also show NS that they are ‘sincere’ in restoration of judiciary….. so he joins them in cabinet……
this way about 2 months will go by and people may forget restoration of judiciary
typical dirty dishonest cunning politics by AZ
But AZ was wrong and people of pakistan, lawyers, NS and all other APDM parties are still as intimate about restoration of judges as they were 2 months ago…….so dhama dam mast qalandar now
ralo99
come on
see any independent Poll/survery in Pakistan
all poles show PPP as the largest Political party in Pakistan
Its been testes in all the elections.
PPP has more seats than this time before
@Awais
I don’t understand how the reinstatement of judges by resolution is an illegal act Awais
guess Chooran Wali Sarkar asking NS to stay in federal govt……when his party is not even part of it!!……………….all these Mush chamchas have got their braines fitted under their feet !!
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=45389
ralo99
PPP MNAs had beat the Nawaz Sharif Party even in Punjab in so many Seats.
Yousuf Raza Beat Nawaz Sharif in 1988 in Multan
{dnt tell me that Multan is not in Punjab}
@Awais
“Its been testes in all the elections.”
Yes! nothing but “testes”. But enough of it already NO MORE TESTES!!!
@Awais
“If someone thinks he is bigger than the party one should leave and form his own party” thats what Benazir said to Aitzaz in LONDON in CEC meeting
NO. AA will stay in PPP and make a powerful group within PPP – who will follow policies of Bhutto’s not the decoit Zardari
Also AA is a national leader and he will stand from any constituency he wishes….even its NA124 he will win with huge margin…with support from Lawyers, PPP, NS and APDM
feeneebi
beacuse there is a ‘defecto’ chief justice in pakistan who had takken oath on 1973 constituion. and Supreme court {defecto] has given orders to legitmize him.
Zardari is as damaging for pak as Altaf
but Altaf is beter in a way, we all know who and what he is
Yousuf Raza Beat Nawaz Sharif in 1988 in Multan
in same 1988 when General Hameed Gul {then ISI CHIEF} was making and supporting IJI.
a million dollar qst….what is the difference between PPP and PMLQ?
ghoshi
thats your opinion but people has voted his party to rule this country for 5 years.
and i m sure you have all heard this saying k
Kutay ko daisi ghee hazam nahi hota
Zardari could cope with all the respect he was getting
so he decided to sink back to his own level of 10%
million dollar qst….what is the difference between PPP and PMLQ?
correct answer. the names of parties are differentand the name of their leaders are different…….everything else is the same!
what is the difference between PPP and PMLQ?
one is the party of the people of paksitan
other is a league of Pakistani Muslims.
ghoshi
People has selected him and his party to rule you my friend.
thats decision of people of pakistan to crown him {or a person nominated by him} to be the chief Executive of pakistan}
then your personal opinion matter none against the opinion of the milions of people
people have not voted for zardari
they have voted for PPP
and now if zardari decides to take of his clothes (and his father Rahman malik) and stert running in the streets you cant say that well he can do that as people has voted for PPP
Nawaz sharif has shown once again that he is a man of principles. Although his previous stints in the government are not exactly my favorite but he is showing maturity at a level never before expected of him. It seems that he has learned from his past mistakes. Now if there could be a way to get Mr 10% thinking on the right track and stop taking dictations from the Americans. We as a nation have been slaves since our inception, hell i would say that we have been slaves even before as part of the Indian sub-continent. Allama Iqbal in one of his nazams talks about the merits and demerits of tunn(body) and the munn(soul). He tells about the ills of tunn and the benefits of munn. At the end is a sher which describes our pathetic situatio
Pani Pani Kar gayee mujh ko qalandar kee yeh baat
Tu jo jhukka ghair kay agay na tun tera na mun
Awais
what is the difference between PPP and PMLQ?
one is the party of the people of paksitan
other is a league of Pakistani Muslims.
You cant get a simple qst right!
correct answer. the names of parties are differentand the name of their leaders are different…….everything else is the same!
He is the co-chairman of PPP whom people vote for.
People have a trust in him and his party inspite of all the media trials of him since 1987.
Awais
And Benazir lost from NWFP to an unknown candidate.Secondly Yusuf Raza Gillani was a newcomer to PPP at that time.Dont forget 1997.When from Rawalpindi to Rahimyarkhan,from lathere was not even a simple PPP MNA elected.ZAB lost to Mufti Mahmood in 1970.Hakim Ali Zardari(father of Zardari)lost from his hometown,Nawabshah in 1985,couldnt even get a few thousand votes.Qaim Ali Shah lost from his hometown,Khairpur from Ghaus Ali Shah.Zardari will lose from anywhere he contests in Punjab.Ais Mr 10% nay shaheed kay khoon ka bhi soda kar liya hai.
Now they are going to start the LONG MARCH crap. PML(N) is the part of the problem ,not a part of solution. PPP better off withot them. They dont need another partner to rob this country.
ralo99
when Benazir Lost from NWFP??
????????????????????????????????????????
ralo99
I think you better go and read EU report on 1997 elections and also Mr Jatois Statement on the elections as well i think he was caretaker PM.
Nawaz Sharif has proved beyond reasonable doubt that he is one of the most sincere politicians in pakistani politics and deserves to be the next PM with 2/3rd majority
NS is a son of the soil. He is the one who can stand up against US…and therefore help pakistanies to stand on their feet
UNFORTUNATELY i have voted for PPP as well
so you cant tell me that people have voted for him to get hiself naked in public
i didnt vote for PPP so that Zardari can destroy the party
and i ms ure there are millions out there who feel that their vote ws wasted now
Also, Zardari says PPP will not contest elections against NS
lol
if he himself, his jaiaz father and also his najaiz father, all contest elections against NS togahter, they cant win
so you think Nawaz sharf is equavlent to Qaim ali shah, Hakim ali Zardari or Gaus ali shah
ralo99
tell the people correct facts
1970 Bhutto sahab stood from 5 seats won 4/5
hahahah if you think they are najaiz fathers of zardari, then yes i do think NS is equivalent to them
but i think they would refuse to own this relationship
Rhaman malik qualifies well for this place
it is a sad day for pakistan but i salute NS for his committment with the nation, PPP will definitely say that it was wrong for NS to leave the cabinet at such a crucial stage as the budget is to be prsented next month. However, i personally believe that zardari and PPP and to blame for this nonsense.
It was absolutely ridiculous on his part to go relax in dubai due to personal reasons when the 30 day deadline was approaching…one needs to ask him that what was a bigger issue to resolve..personal or a promise made to the whole nation..
NS and his team chased him in dubai to hear what…12 more days of waiting…what did PPP do in these 12 days??
the reality is that PPP did not respect NS, SS and PMLN…if they respected them then their law minister would not have made all the statements of postponement in the deadline hours after NS has announced it…
NS only fault is that he should have understood it long ago that Zaradari is too big of a thief to restore the judiciary…no offence but PPP has shown its real character as well…
ghoshi
its doesnt matter who you voted for.
But the Fact remains PPP under the leadership of Zardari is the biggest political party of pakistan and people of pakistan has given them the mandidate to bring up any constituional ammendment.
If the people dnt Like them they will not vote for them again.
its simple democracy.
Awais
so you think Nawaz sharf is equavlent to Qaim ali shah, Hakim ali Zardari or Gaus ali shah
NO HE IS ABOVE ALL OF THEM…none of them including BB come close to the strature of NS….if you can compare NS its more with ZAB…minus ZAB’s evil harkaat
its called cheating not democracy
as i say you ant justify zardari running naked in the streets simply because people voted for PPP
Malek
Yes he can stand againts US but cannt stand in Adiyala Jail and does a writtin deal with a military General
he is very sincere.
while the people who has given their life for the cause they Believe in {democracy] {i mean Bhuttos} are Traitors.
thats simple your intentional Bias.
@ Awais
If you think that PPP will restore the Judges then you are living in a dream world.
AZ came home with NRO. All his cases have been withdrawn. Malik Q and Mush still in office.
PPP had more than 2 months to do it but they didnt. All delaying tactics.
This is not 1970′s or the 80 or the 90′s. No Bhutto is in power to bring out the people.
After BB’s death PPP should have got 2/3rd majority but it didnt, why because if PPP had taken a stand on the Judges issue they would have gotten 2/3rd.
On the other hand NS had only a few week to prepare and but he made a principal stand on the Judges issue, so PML(N) got seats, more than anyone expected.
People may eat one day and remain hungry on another but they do not receive Justice at all.
NS has made the right choice. He has taken a principled position like in 1998.
Awais
while the people who has given their life for the cause they Believe in {democracy] {i mean Bhuttos} are Traitors.
AND WHAT WAS THE CAUSE…get power? or become PM? or make a lot of money….thats what the bhuttos did
there is a big difference between bhuttos and Zardaris
Zardaris didnt give anything for this country
and he thankfully proved pretty quickly that he is not a leder of Bhuttos party
Standing againt US pressure is very easy
Mullah Omer did it
Saddam Hussain did it.
Hammas did it
Mugabee is doing it
Burmese Government is doing it.
But at what cost allowing your millions and millions of people get killed {by Hunger , poverty, and disease] just to show that you are brave and courageous.
come on.
Leader must see beyound the Obvious.
and Mian Nawaz Sharif lacks that.
Only a society based on Justice can survive and sustain.
ghoshi
i didnt thought so are so ‘mammu’
his mandidate is to govern the country not to run nakes in streets.
@AWAIS
HOW MUCH DID YOU GET FROM PPP TO DEFEND THEM HERE, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO TALKING RUBISH. I DOUGHT ON YOUR NAME, ARE YOU REHMAN MALIK ?
hahahah
and zardari couldnt do that scuh an eay thing whihc even mullah omar can do?
he is not man enough then
PPP statements and their real meanings..Randi Rona done by PPP ladies (farzana raja wife of a corrupt man) and other Qwals of PPP :
PPP BS statements(real meaning)
We do not want confortation (we want to keep Musharraf as it was in NRO to keep him as president)
We want to restore judges according to constitution (We do not want to restore them at any cost..how comes these judges wanna change system in pakistan)
Roti is big issue (let these idiots fight for food and we continue our crimes)
people have many issues apart from judiciary (indulge these idiots in such a complex sitauation that they forget everything about judges…increase load shedding, increase food shortage and if possible create law and order situation)
Democracy is best revenge (its the revenge against those who voted for judiciary restoration, revenge against those judges who denied to take oath under PCO and agaisnt those who tried to stop zaradri from corruption)
We believe in reconciliation (we believe in “mil bant kay khana”..share should be given to all corrupt mafias)
Country is facing crisis (coz our mafia head zardari has looted the country without any mercy)
its all BS what PPP ladies say on TV…they should come up with some new ideas ..in two months they are finished with new bakwasiat and repeating old sh*t
PPP cannot hide its crime all the time under ethnic refuge..shame on PPP dakus ..shame on PPP waderays ..shame on PPP Jaali peers…shame on corrupt mafia headed by zaradri…zaradri should return that 100 million dollars which he looted from 1993-1996 before giving roti to this nation…PPP is a bunch of dacoits and is curse…
AZ has isolated all the real PPP leaders like Rabbani, Safdar, Amin Faheem.
PPP will be finished in the next election unless real PPP leaders come out and save it.
Only a society based on Justice can survive and sustain.
I totally agree
But question is from20 july till 3rd November was there Justice and rule of law in pakistan when Ch Iftikhar was CJP.?
well running naked in the streets is better than what he is doing now
RAHMAN MALIK IS TOO STUPID TO USE INTERNET I GUESS
AWAIS IS NOT HIM!
CHEEMA
I think you need to understand that Caps Lock should be off in a chat
its basic tahzeeeb
awais
ZAB lost to mufti mahmood in 1970.and when nawaz sharif lost to gillani,he was chief minister punjab.
ninetykman
They said PPP will finish when
1-bhutto was sheed
2-when Benazir made as co=chairperson
3-when Jatoi Left
4-WHen Khar Left
5-when Pirzada Left
6-when accepted Ishaq khan in president
7-when banezir got marries to Zardari
But history has prove them wrong and will prove them wrong again
BB k khoon say Gghadari!!
Zardari Zardari!!!
ralo99
In 1970 nawaz sharif was not even coucellor
Guys pay attention at Hamid mir remarks on this issue,he is presenting Zardari case like his personal spocksman…. He will be Zardaris Nazeer Naji
Admin
Is it possible for you to upload SS conversation with media at lahore airport
today. He gave an excellent explanation why judiciary is more important than
issues of economy, law and order.
I hope shahbaz becomes PR face of PMLN, he is much more effective communicator than most of PMLN leadership.
He also one of only few political leaders who has ‘DARD-E-DIL’.
I think PMLN would be much better off if they make ss as their public face.
ghoshi
its media Trial and he face it for years and come victorious.
he will again come victorious and People will Slap of the face of all those who sue to say Zardari as Mr 10%/
awais
Saddam was a us agent.Always supported US.Invaded Iran,killed million muslims,killed his own people on behest of USA.And when he was no longer needed USA finished.
Mullah Umar is nothing more than a thug.A coward who ran away on a motorbike with his fellow taliban,leaving volunteers defending kabul
Hamas.Again terrorists killing innocent people.ready to recognize israel
Mugabe
he did nothing to displease usa.it was the barbarism that made usa and west turn against mugabe.
Burmese government
generals enjoying every luxury while people suffer.
All these people didnt have any courage.They were cowards
Awais
everyone know who is Mr 10 %.even late murtaza bhutto exposed him and was killed for turning against mr 10%
Glasgowpk
Hamid Mir is right atleast on this issue.
tootbatoot
guys – no comments on Asif Zardari – he is Nelson Mandela of Asia
Nawaz and the PML-N have collectively taken a difficult and brave step – a step seemingly into the darkness of non-government but now the only step that could keep alive the possibility of defeating the real forces of darkness.
The game is now on … and the united forces of civil society, the lawyers movement movement, Achakzai, Imran, Qazi, acting in concert with Nawaz Sharif the PML-N and the democratic part of the media must push hard like they have never pushed before.
The future is looking brighter than it has done since the baleful face of the NRO first cast its shadow on Pakistan.
Thank you Nawaz sahib.
ralo99
but you will agree that all these stood against the US and refuse to take any dictations.
1-Mullah omer refused to hand over Bin Laden
2-Hammad Refsued to accept Israel
3-Saddam refused to give acess to IAEA
4-Burmese Govt Refuse to leave ang Sung Su Chi insoite of US pressure.
so its easy
in Pakistan its very easy to be anti american.
But Leaders duty to not to implement what people want its the duty of the leader to implement whats right for people in Long run and then sell that to the people.
I personally think its was populist stunt to do a nuke experiment by Nawaz Sharif,
Its would have been much better to do a cold test and give a message to the world that we are reponcible {which was PPPs stand}
PK Politics Friends,
I feel Nawaz Sharif was left with no option owing to Mr 10% lust for retaining Musharraf at the expense of the nation. That said I can only see more turmoil for the whole nation.
My comments of yesterday are apt today too and I again appeal to the PPP to stop and reflect on their actions. In particular I appeal to the PPP to consider the complaint of the Pakistan’s flag against them that can be seen via the link below:
http://tinyurl.com/5qhjv6
Feimnallah Pakistan
Wasim
http://www.otherpakistan.org/archive.html
Live on TALAT on.
Talat is exposing the lies of PPP leaders like Khosa and Ashraf.
He is showing clips of PPP on may 12, 2007 and what their action today.
Well done TALAT.
WATCH TODAY’S LIVE WITH TALAT
End of all arguments!!!!
PPP STANDS NAKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
well done nawaz sharif for doing the right thing and for becoming musharraf B team like asif zardari…………..guyz.trust me….asif begairat is only interested in his 10 percent commission and for that he will even sell his son………
NoHypocrisy
Nawaz Sharif alliace with the “Boycott Forces” will only derail democracy and strengthen Musharraf.
Watch live with talat today. PPP exposed.
I forgot to mention ..also on the side of light against darkness are those within the PPP who oppose what has happened to their party. The collapse of the PPP is not in Pakistan’s interest … they too must exert what strength they have at this this time to regain for the real PPPers their own party.
@ Awais
Dont waste our time. Just watch LIVE WITH TALAT.
nota
regarding may 12 2007.
you cannt stick to the past.
Its was unfortunate event and the culprits must come to justice.
but in politics you dnt stick to one events.
In Pakistan and India we had 3 wars if we stick that we will not speak to India as they killed our men in 1948/1965 then its not politics.
Can listen to the live audio on aaj tv website. Link to audio
http://www.aaj.tv/aajlive.html
@Awais,
Please desist from directing any further of your comments at me. I like to keep clean and not to be covered in filth. Thank you in advance.
Talat is showing all old clips.
PPP exposed…….BIG TIME….
@awais
The difference ie right and wrong. It is not about what is good for people and what is bad for people. PPP stance is morally wrong, and NS decision is morally right.
You would say morals are relative. But hey your are entitled to yours.
We the netizens of pkpolitics are learning and we clearly see where PPP is heading.
Yes Siasat is imp but one cannot compromise on principals.
Now Sherry Rehman is being exposed….
Well done Talat.
What a difference a year makes…..
@ninetykman
is sherry exposing?where
@Awais,
You said that Ch Iftikhar is not free and fair. Is your own personal stance or PPP official stance? Can you give any reference to any PPP leader saying this in media?
You said constitutional change would be required to put back the judges? Are you saying that the act done on 3rd is now part of constitution ??? and another amendment will be required to undo the 3rd November act?
Now its Khuhroo’s turn…
What a joke these PPP leaders are…
Now these same people who were blasting Mush last year are now sitting on his LAP.
@ democrat
LIVE ON TALAT.
@Awais
Just go watch Talat — if you dare — and then let’s see what you have to say
PPP is the political face of new Establishment. PML-N won our hearts today.
All Talat is saying that the stance of the PPP has changed since may 12, 2007.
Now PPP is in power so its policies have changed. It is no longer Mush.
excellent program.
exposing hypocrate leaders of PPP.
@ninety k man
sorry mate,I thought she is exposing.lol
Now its FM Shah Mehmood Qureshi’s turn. Where is the FM these days.
Probably sitting in condi’s lap.
Talat hussein has turned tide in favour of NS in this program, single handedly.
Gobar Dogar court is getting twitchy and asking for “respect” from media….hahahahah
Nawaz Abbasi asking for some more gravi
@Other Pakistan
A few humble observations:
I have been noticing your postings on a lot of other sites also, like Teeth Maestro and All Things Pakistan. Your posts rarely say anything meaningful about the issue at hand, but simply ask the reader to read the “scoops” you claim you have posted on your website. But most of the things you seem to be saying on your website have already been said, by lots of people before you, in the thread that you post to. This is like running a teaser trailer for a 1988 movie in 2008 which everybody has already seen.
You seem to have gone to a lot of effort in buying the domain name etc and designing your website. But there is a problem bro, whatever you are saying on your website is not original. You have nothing new to say. (Forgive me if I am blunt). I don’t think you are an agency guy. I agree with most of what you say on your website (if I manage to get past all the loaded emotional meaningless language). You simply seem to desperately want to have a blog where people come and discuss hi-fi stuff.
But this doesn’t seem to be working and so you have to visit a lot of websites and post polite and well-meaning messages and tease people to please please visit your website. Maybe you are trying to be somebody you are not? Perhaps you are trying to impress someone? I didn’t see any advertising on your website, and I can see that you are not trying to bring traffic to your website solely for advertising money. So, where is the catch?
This is a discussion forum with a large audience. Do you think people will be really interested in leaving this forum and will migrate to your website to have a discussion?
I think you are a well-meaning guy and having read your messages for sooo long all over the internet, I thought to make a few suggestions. I don’t like it when people ignore you and your posts non-chalantly and you have to come back and post a new message with your website address at the end with a “Feimanallah”. I think you have been putting your energy in the wrong place far too long. Consider this advice as coming from a helpful passerby, OK?
Hopefully you won’t mind.
1. Get a normal blog, from blogspot or WordPress etc
2. Do not post emotional, rambling rants.
3. Say something original, interesting. (You know the quote: “Its best to keep your mouth shut and be considered intelligent than to open it and remove all doubt”). As an example check pejamistri‘s blog. He is a frequent poster here.
4. Stay on pkpolitics and engage people in discussions. Include your blog website address in your pkpolitics id. This way, you will be debating people directly here and if somebody is more interested in what you have to say, they will click on your id and go directly to your website. Everybody is happy…..
kafka8 on May 12th, 2008 5:07 pm @awais
not too long ago…before the elections ; your (ppp) use of ‘we’ meant PPP and other democratic forces for free media and judiciary. sad…how power trips..!
a sad day for ppp-ists…indeed…when bherria brigade of bhai is its friend..the faujistanic forces ..its feeder…and the democratic forces for free media and free judiciary…its fodder…strange and sad day indeed!!!
Is AAJ off air by now?
Are there any Graffiti artists out there in Pakistan. We can start a compaign against dogar courts, Busharraf, and PPP(Z) by chalking the walls.
Anybody with required skills there.
@ zenith
sooner or later, it will be!
or atleast you can buy one spray paint(preferably black) and write on the walls “GOBAR DOGAR”.
@ zenith
I am afraid about PPP assault on media, because they are not used to this kind on exposure.
Ghaddari zardari is another slogan that should be painted on each wall of the country.
any slogan against Busharraf?ideas wellcomed
@ democrat
I wish I was there; I would have done it on his face.
Come on guies.its fun as well as and sadqa jaria .
paint every wall.specially in cantonments.
urazzaq12
Well Talat should be careful now; he has more enemies than hair on his head.
now the MUKHROOH insaan is showing his “POWER” in a fake really…..
Where is Ganda Unda brigade. Guies throw ganday Undays on the walls of the houses and cars of PPP(Z) MNAs.
I think you forgert that Its was PPP who brough these banned Media persons in.
previously they were Banned by PEMRA
and it was PPP who removed their Ban trhough PEMRA and can say what ever they want to say
Atleast show some resentment this time
@ ninetykman
Supreme court issue might be a first step. Might be.
If PPP really take on the media then, God knows better.
democrat
do you know how may people support PPP.
They are in Millions
you have atleast seen 2-3 million when Benair came to Pakistan.
so you better come and fight them in elections rather than doing their cheap stunts.
How much does one spray paint cost cost?It was for Rs 60 when I was in Fsc. You dont have to buy the best quality paint. It is available on auto paint shop.
now the MUKHROOH insaan is showing his “POWER” in a fake rally…..
He saw the “AWAM KI TAQAT” on Feb 18…
@democrat
Good idea for graffiti. But would that change anything? Would the pro-judiciary graffiti overcome the spam from Fayyaz ka Ugam Halwa, Perfume Chowk, Mardana Taqat, Shabab Clinic? hehe…
But a good idea. During the emergency they did something very interesting. They used a simple ‘eject’ symbol of VCRs, mp3 players etc as a message that we want to eject this regime.
May I suggest something like this for the potential graffiti maestro:
Just stencil “10%” with a big X over it.
nawaz sharif cannot even restore judges. now what he will do with his “mandate” he got on judges issue? what about the oath he took with his fellows? he should sit in opposition now!
GO NS GO!
democrat
why dnt you people get hold of 1-2 million people and attack Dogers Supreme courte and reinstate The Deposed Judges.
You cannt do that.
It will be PPP who will do that through a legal way.
AAJ TV reporting that PPP is opposing the investigation of may 12, 2007 incident in Karachi.
Now the circle is complete. PPP and MUSH are one.
Has anyone seen Live with Talat today? It was a ruthless review of PPP’s u-turn on judges issue, after having sacrificed lives of dozens of their workers in the struggle. I don’t think media is going to be free very long.
@ Awais
“you have atleast seen 2-3 million when Benair came to Pakistan.
so you better come and fight them in elections rather than doing their cheap stunts.”
In your words” A thing of the past. You can’t stay on one event”
@awais
PPP is a history mate. Benazir deceived poor people and after she is murdar..ed, zardari & Co has done a favour to us and did something that we could not have done in another 10 years.
No one can stop the revolution in Pakistan.
Qadam barhao NS, Hum tumharay saath hin
@ ataraxis6
I watched it… PPP exposed big time.
TALAT is great, but I am afraid that there will be another assault on the media soon.
ninetykman
bring some evidence that PPP is opposing the may 12 incident investigations
should we just belive because its said by AAJ TV, or GEO or other TV.
and you are makking up your mind on these reports.
thats shows your opinion
@Awais
Talat spent one hour to show contradiction in PPP stance and target audience were PPP workers, he raised question to leadership at the end to tell if these judges are bad enough not be restored than why PPP offered it’s workers life just to receive CJ let alone restoring it. If you are worker, does that question opens your eyes? if you are a leader could you please share answer with us too?
aoa
beghairath’s, some things never change i guess.
democrat
“PPP is a History”
as i responded previous
they {establishment and their collaborators said PPP is history when
1-bhutto was sheed
2-when Benazir made as co=chairperson
3-when Jatoi Left
4-WHen Khar Left
5-when Pirzada Left
6-when accepted Ishaq khan in president
7-when banezir got marries to Zardari
8-when Aitzaz allegedly gave lists to India {its was nawaz sharif who made this allegation}
But My Friends
History has prove you wrong
Ns is the only leader who deserves to be in power.His sacrifice has proved that.
I would urge other honest people like Ik , Qazi,Achakzai and ANP to strengthen his cause now.
@ Awais
ninetykman just said what was reported, lets wait for an interview from
Cherry Cherry lady( sherry Rehman) provided she has time for it.
I do appreciate the step NS has taken. The best possible scenario which can come out of this:
‘N’ resigns from ministership
‘Q’ refuses to come on board as they will be further hated by the masses
‘N’ remains on treasury benches and keeps the pressure on ‘gulu badshah’ i.e. mush
In the meantime, all AZ’s cases are dropped(which he is buying time for, I think there is another hearing on 16th may) and then he can go ahead with the agenda of ‘jujon ki bahali’…….
…………………………………………no sure but just trying to stay positive
“Birds of feather flock together”.
Zardari was looking a Jurwan brother of Chooran wala.
NS would look good with IK and APDM.
democrat
its was you before as well who asked nawaz sharif to qadam Barahooo.
when he took step he was on his own in Adiyali jail
and then he has to be a written Deal with Musharraf
kambohguy2
asif Zardari cases was already dropped the day people of pakistan had voted for his party under his leadership.
People of pakistan dnt even care about his cases.
BOLTA PAK is on now…..
I have just returned from another and less signinficant “battle” and got the good news. Thanks to PML-N for doing the obvious, but what next? Will PML-N be watching from the sideline or will you join the lawyers movement along side APDM?
/Saqib
Shahid Masood on Meray Mutabiq, just started.
Saqib
I think if Mian Sahab Has a little bit of Political Wisdom he need to support the GOVT and in the meanwhile Zardari will Bring a Constitutional ammendment to reinstate all the Juges old and new and solve this mess {legally} , which was illegally creates by Musharraf
@Awais
“1-bhutto was sheed”
Please stop saying that! It sounds so ……. icky — It sounds like someone cut his —- off!
@awis
listen to your heart mate.Dont waste your energy fighting the truth.Is what zardari did honourable?Is that what you really wanted him to do?
Its not like changing the religion if you change your political party. After all we are voters and we should vote those who deserve that on that very day. I still cant believe that jyalas have accepted a chick as their Chairman and then they claim to be democrative as well.Ask you heart mate?
Are you a piece of furniture of BB’s dowry who has been gifted to Zardari and then will be inherited to that chick, or you are a human being with political ideoly,will and a character?
Are you just a Jyala or an educated voter who would vote express freely on issues.
@mbokhari
mate ,any comments on how cool zardari and chooran walli were looking together/
where is Tk? he probably can guess what chooran wali was trying to find on the roof while he was taliking?
i hope with near future people of pakistan will be able to see the hidden face of ppp.As i always believe the remote control of PPP iS in Washington DC.MUSharraf,PP,Altaf hussain,all together,and they never wanted to change the system.the biggest threat to paksitan has been done by ppp,b/c they are always shouting for democracy,poverty,and justice,and they always hijacked any movement for judiciary.
sensible people of paksitan should see the reality of ppp.But inshallah it is doing good for pakistan as people will atleast now identify them.
Dont know why Shahid Masood always engages Najam Sethi.
Najam Sethi is known PPP supporter.
@Jyalas on this site
Let me say that dialogue of any of the indian movies
“hum har kar bhee geet gay or tum geet kar bhee har gay”
I am glad NS will not be intoxicated with Zardari’s “Syasee Phosses “anymore.
@Awais
Sorry….that would be a waste of time. Enough time has been provided PPP. If they had sincere intentions then the judges would have been reinstated a long time ago. In my view PML-N must take a full step rather than a half step i.e. they must join the lawyers movement to exert maximum pressure on those negative forces (PPP and GHQ).
/Saqib
Fighting has already started. PPP has removed Punjab Chief Secretary…
@Awais
No one voted for AZ, everyone voted for a change…….I reckon the earlier sentiments of recognizing people’s mandate has vanished and AZ is now more worried to have enough cash to pay for Bilawal’s Uni fees…and a little bit in the coffers for the rainy days…..cant blame the guy…everyones for themselves….I feel sorry for the ppl who actually thought this was the momment of change….
@ninetykman
He always have these handful analysts and would invite them even if he is analysing some spicy food.
List is here.
General Hamid Gul.
General Durrani
General Talat.
Sheeda Talli
Nepolian reborn aka Mushahid huassain.
Shaami,
Imtiayz Alam
@Awais
What mess Ass..if Zardari is going to clear? you meanhe’ll wipe and burn his own A**?
Guies use ordinnay chalk soaked in various coloured inks and write atleast on your on wall
Ghaddari Zardari
Gobar Dogar
Go Busharraf Go
SALAM EVERY ONE,
My dear pakistani brothers around the world its a moment of shame for all of us that we are begging for independence for independence of judicery and political parties are playing their game.I do not belong to any party at all iam a common pakistani outside pakistan.My heart pains when i see my country is in the hands of crooks,hypocrates,tyrants and trators.I can smell great future for my loving country once we get rid of these power hungry dogs.I can sense evil plots against mumliqate Pakistan but INSHAHALLAH we will come out of this.I wish and pray that people of Pakistan soon recognize ground realities and never play in the hands of Mafaad Parast and power thirsty politicians and their Maffad Parrast Chamchay’s.
Correction: His name has been removed from Central Selection Board. The ex-Chief Sec and crook Salman Sadiq has been appointed in his place.
@
I wish I live to read comments from PPP supporters on this forum with a prefix ‘Shaheed’ before Ass..if Zardari’s name as well!
NS has made my day today with his courageous decision. Right way forward for this great nation….No more dick..tation from USA.
Bravo NS……..
Long Live pakistan
@ all
Awais
You dont need to legalise illegal acts by legislations,by doing so you resognise that they were legal.And PPP is full of people like Farooq Naek,Latif Khosa and Babar Awan,who are an insult to the legal profession.Most notably Rehman Dakait aka Rehman Malik, the self proclaimed establishment
Bhai Awais!!
ye zuban-e-halaq hai………..kab tak muqaabila karro gay iss mahlooq ka?? kiss kiss ko jawab dou gay? dont you think for a while that may be the stance of so many people on this website (who are scattered across the globe, are educated and aware enuf of everything that is around) is right????
My conviction is that on this website almost everyone supports somebody or some party only on issue basis. No one has taken any oath to support PPP or PML-N. These are mostly neutral guys having no personnel or party agenda. So one should try to believe in what they are saying……………..i mean reconsidering your policy of blind support towards PPP. Excuse me if you mind anything.
Ayaz.
@dicatated_democracy
Well said,
I am a neutral.. but am disappointed today…………………………………..very…..!!##££~~
@kambohguy2
me too neutral but obviously what else can i do than supporting NS stand at this point in time. God knows the secret intentions of these politician but I see that somebody has scarified power for principle. If tomorrow somebody else does the same or similar i would be first to second him. As simple as that!
Ayaz
The great FAZLU has decided to play an arbitrator for PML-N and PPP.
Just when I thought the drama was over.
Response to those who claim PPP is clear on its stance
PPP is an expert at convulting simple issues to conceal their ulterior motives. They always mix up the issue of restoration of judges with poverty allievation. I can’t understand the connection.
Is their law minister and his staff also busy drafting agriculture and energy policy?
This is obviously a detraction and not a very creative one.
NS should join APDM now.
Imran Khan and APDM’s decision to boycott elections wasn’t that bad after all.
Imran Khan raised the sloagan of “Independent Judiciary” about 13 years ago and today every mouth in Pakistan is shouting the same. Great Imran Khan will eventually become voice of masses in Pakistan.
Dear Sir/Madam,
They failed to deliver solution of the burning issues? Do we realise that the
Change of Socio-political system is inevitable for the prosperity of the people
and Pakistan.
Pakistan is passing through a crucial time and is in imminent need for system, instead of change of faces, let the people of Pakistan be the real stake holder and empower them to decide the fate of their generation.
Since the creation of Pakistan the Pakistani people are left at distant from the corridor of power so that the ruling elite can do what they wanted to do in favour of their interest, leaving the Pakistani people at the mercy of circumstances. As this policy is denial of right of Pakistani people to rule their country according to their aspiration and desire to built this country, which can provide equal opportunity to all without any discrimination for the establishment of welfare society. Only the society base on tolerance, equality and justice can be the real guarantee for the prosperous and strong Pakistan there for your intent is invited to the crucial movement which could be the point of distraction or disaster.
No one has dare to trust the Pakistani people and involved them in to the day to day decision making process with intention to develop a sense of participation in to the decision making process affecting the future of their country and their generation at large and share the real benefit of democracy, but, due to the conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits, deprivation and opinions of the masses being an important element within so-called democratic society, they manipulate this elements of society to constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.
Sometimes the effect on the public is created by a professional propagandist, sometimes by an amateur deputed for the situation. The important thing is that it is universal and continuous; and in its sum total is regimenting the public mind every bit by bit, as possible to keep the masses away from the corridor of power. The systematic study of mass psychology, revealed to the ruling click the potentialities of (indiscernible groups within the society) manipulation of the society by actuate man, It is essential moments for all patriotic and intellectual to sincerely think and understand the mechanism and motives of the ruling elite, the way they practice, propagate has provided a clue that it is possible, at least up to a certain extent and within certain limits that, we can introduce the alternate socio-political system to replace the present undemocratic system.
Because ,It will be difficult to expect any thing positive at this stage because, return of political leadership of PPP and PML(N) to Pakistan was subject to condition, political coalition cannot take creative action or dare to change policy in the national interest till general Musharaf is as president, current government need to take patriotic political decision in the interest of Pakistan without fear of American anger or their commitment and support during mediation process with USA, but the national interest has again been ignored for the sake of power and external interest.
The time is rapidly changing; the voice of the people especially wise and snooty idea could not be stopped any more. The honest struggle of the people, regarding the Change of socio-political system will affect the heart and mind of the people, and once Pakistani made up their mind for the change of system,we will succeed in creating public opinion.
We have already lost the major part of Pakistan in 1971 simply to save the centralized sole power to exploit this country by the ruling elite they let the country break in part then allowing the masses to rule this country democratically. In the present circumstances we are again dragging our sovereignty at stake for the external interest in the name of national interest, instead of our interest i.e. the interest of Pakistani people at large.
The question of the time is,do we really deserve further destruction of our country ? or do we need the stable Pakistan, of our dream ?. Now the ball is in the courts of all patriotic people, intellectual ,women,youth ,laborer, farmers, media and those believed in the might, peace and prosperity of Pakistan.
The only way out of these crucial circumstances is to empower the common Pakistani at grass route level i.e. the change of system. This change is inevitable for the prosperous Pakistan .As a citizen of this country I have suggested an alternate socio-political system to empower the masses at grass route level for rapid industrial and agriculture development with transparency and accountability in the system. Along with basic guarantees for the creation of welfare state, where in public representative and institution shall be answerable and accountable to the masses. As a person I cannot turn the table but together we can.
Kindly acknowledge with your comments.
Kindly see web site….www.idp.org.pk
Ilyas khan Baloch
Organizer Islamic Democratic Party
I think chooran devi keeps looking up because he’s got a quadruple chin and if you look up your “Gal-PhaRa’s” don’t look as bad…
He reminds me of a big 10 pound bullfrog.. croaking away…
http://www.naturesound.com/frogs/pages/bullfrg.html
Assalam Alaikum Everyone,
I think if we get a hold of statistics about the literacy rate of Pakistan, then we shall know thats its 50%. Most of the educated people in Pakistan dont cast their vote unless its related to their relatives promotions or some other personal benefits. When the majority of illiterate and poor people cast their vote, then its obvious that an illiterate person like Zardari shall come in power.
one thing is clear…we are blind supporters as a nation…or we support people for personal benefits.. there were still people supporting mush when he declared martial law…now there are still jiyalas who are posting comments in support of zardari….why cant we support or reject leaders on issues is what i am unable to understand….
when will NS start making decision that will make sense…….he is not sincere with democracy in Pakistan….I knew he was going to back stab…..
@PAF123
whenever I ask any jyala these qusetions or hear any PPP(Z) answering these qustions on tele,this is what i get
Q: What is the solution of Justice issue?
Answer:BB Shaheed,…co chaiman…bhutto shaheed….karkun ….jail…..bilawal….zardari….jail….bhutto…..BB sahiba….BB shaheed…..BB shaheed…bbsahiba….BB kee …keee
Q: What is the solution of atta, Bijlee, gas?
Answer:BB Shaheed,…co chaiman…bhutto shaheed….karkun ….jail…..bilawal….zardari….jail….bhutto…..BB sahiba….BB shaheed…..BB shaheed…bbsahiba….BB kee …keee
Q: What is Pakistan’s future?
BB Shaheed,…co chaiman…bhutto shaheed….karkun ….jail…..bilawal….zardari….jail….bhutto…..BB sahiba….BB shaheed…..BB shaheed…bbsahiba….BB kee …keee
Q: How will you work with Busharraf?
BB Shaheed,…co chaiman…bhutto shaheed….karkun ….jail…..bilawal….zardari….jail….bhutto…..BB sahiba….BB shaheed…..BB shaheed…bbsahiba….BB kee …keee
I am sick of listening to this verbatim on BB shaheed.
First of all, she was not shaheed by any definition. She was following and implementing American policy ,and this has been recently confirmed by Zardari in his interview with kashif, secondly our problem is ot how she was murdared..but the fact that every day 12 pakistanis are commiting suicide.
@ democrat
Your post clearly shows your location……stop calling your fellow patients jiyalas….good luck getting out
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