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May 15, 2008

Visitors News & Views - Week 3, May 2008

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446 Responses to “Visitors News & Views - Week 3, May 2008”

  1. savage on May 15th, 2008 3:08 am

    As a nation we have become monsters, this image is so shameful and gross. It shows there is no law at all. Oh!!!! law?? what is that thing?

    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/may2008-daily/15-05-2008/topst/m.2.jpg

  2. democrat on May 15th, 2008 3:12 am

    @savage
    fully agreed with you. could you please add text of the news.

  3. admin pkpolitics on May 15th, 2008 3:18 am

    News added at this link.

  4. DirtyNation on May 15th, 2008 4:56 am

    Welcome to my Country, Pakistan.

    Fortunately we have managed to free this country from any laws prevailing on this globe. We feel that the laws put on restrictions, and we are not ready to accept any restriction.

    We are a free nation and hence we do take pride in freeing ourselves from all the moral and social laws. Thanks to our great Generals ruling us who taught us that Constitution is a piece of papers which can be teared and thrown away any time.

    We invite you to this part of the world where we choose our leaders on basis of their corruption. We developed this great idea that corrupt people are Genius people. We therefore choose these Genius people to rule us.

    We have said goodbye to all social bindings and laws. Why should we stop at a red Signal ? We are a free nation and hence do not want to obey the cheap limitations imposed by these superficial laws.

    We dont mind if somebody has conspired to kill our dear ones. If it results in us having indemnity and save all the wealth that we have accumulated, we very gladly accept the killers. See how open minded we are !!!

    We are a country who do believe on God and for that reason we do not have any health system for poors. Believing in God tells us that when the time comes, one will die. We hence do not feel that their is a necessity of providing them with health care, God willing and they die !!!

    Pakistan Zindabad

    To be continued……

  5. Riddle 792 on May 15th, 2008 5:05 am

    Ansar Abbasi: Punjab Govt asking Rs 7 million from Musharaf’s friend for aircraft fees: http://www.thenews.com.pk/print1.asp?id=112593

    didn’t Musharaff once said ” Pakistan 1st ” :)

  6. Malek on May 15th, 2008 9:53 am

    NS nomination papers from NA123 Lahore accepted!!!

  7. Riddle 792 on May 15th, 2008 10:14 am

    Ch. Shujaat, Ch. Pervaiz Ilahi and Hamid Nasir Chatta met with Musharaff today and addressed the media together afterwards…..

    there is some thing BIG in the making and it certainly wont be a forward group of PMLQ, infact I see a Complete PMLQ supporting PPP for GOVT and hence a Push to PMLN….

    Its time for NS to get out from this Zardari romance before AZ hits on NS’s self esteem……………APDM is also waiting for NS’s decision….. cz the “Shab Deag” is ready for him……………………………!!

  8. TK on May 15th, 2008 1:34 pm

    A new ‘charm offensive’ aimed at the Pakistani Public ??

    Current Supreme court is taking Suo Moto action against the 54 Billion Loans “Forgiven” by the previous Shauka Chore govt:

    http://dailywaqt.com/150508/Images/bp-08.gif

    WTF? Any guru’s care to comment on this ??

  9. TK on May 15th, 2008 1:37 pm

    @Riddle: In mush’s mind “pakistan” means “pervez Musharrf”.. please do this translation in head as he does it as well…

    So, after translation, repeat after me:

    “Musharrf First!”

  10. rasheed on May 15th, 2008 1:48 pm

    @TK,

    I believe this loan issue is being opened by Musharraf Kutta to pull strings of Chaudhry brothers who refused to leave the PMLQ leadership and may also look towards PML-N camp. The main issue is the number game in Parliament to legalize the actions of November 3rd and Chaudhry brothers can either make or break this deal.

  11. rasheed on May 15th, 2008 1:49 pm

    One of the main beneficiary of “Loan Forgiving” were Chaudhry brothers.

  12. TK on May 15th, 2008 2:16 pm

    @rasheed: aaah! for a second I thought these EVIL ba$tard$ had grown a heart in the pitch black cavities inside them :(

  13. econfused on May 15th, 2008 2:31 pm

    @admin

    Naseem Zehra was talking to Kh. Asif. Wondering if we can video of that interview

  14. nota on May 15th, 2008 3:48 pm

    And of course the Chaudhries ran to Mush so it must be working ….

  15. nota on May 15th, 2008 3:49 pm

    PPP Foreigh Ofice as khasi as Mush’s:
    FO refuses to comment on Bajaur attack

  16. savage on May 15th, 2008 4:13 pm

    @nota

    Whenever their is a talk on peace process, this thing happens. Before missile attack, there were news that troops moved their positioins from Waziristan, it was all to jeopardize peace process. Expect a new row of khud-kush attacks, and tall claims “Sar mill geya hai”.

    By the way did you notice how quick Indian traced Jaypur masterminds, they have published it’s sketch, and our world famous agencies.. Oh never mind, they are for different use.

  17. savage on May 15th, 2008 4:28 pm

    “Capital Talk” is discussing PPP reconcilian policy at gross root, they just reported that Layari crime rate has dropped in recent time because PPP handed layari’s “aman-o-amaan” to Rehmn Dekait, so vertually no law and order forces are working… Well done Nabeel Ghobol for imposing writ of state this quick.

    PPP is right who needs these judges any more. Layari to Rahman Dekait, Pakistan to Zardari, PEACE…ZZZZZzzzzzzz ZZZZZZzzzzz ZZZZzzz

  18. TK on May 15th, 2008 5:45 pm

    Just look at the protocol Moshe gets.. Who wants to leave that kind of “Aish” ???

    http://vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=2845

  19. nota on May 15th, 2008 5:54 pm

    “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel”

    Finally someone speaks the truth . The guy is not a lefty. I think he did not realize he is NOT supposed to expose such things Bet he will get in trouble for this.

  20. BilllyBhuttoZardari on May 15th, 2008 6:16 pm

    Did anyone just see what happened on the Kamran Khan show? The show began and Rahimullah Yusufzai was about to speak on the Bajaur missile strike and then they immediately went to commercial. The show was only on for 2 minutes! Now they’ve been doing commercials for 10 minutes in a row. The commercials began just as Yusufzai, the first guest, was to speak. STRANGE.

  21. BilllyBhuttoZardari on May 15th, 2008 6:18 pm

    WHAT? Now Ghamidi is on now!

  22. democrat on May 15th, 2008 7:53 pm

    @billy
    thats your ppp’s freedom of speech policy. they are champions of these democratic values. Recently they held elections for their leadership and elected the most experienced and deserving chairman as well.

  23. nota on May 15th, 2008 7:55 pm

    @BilllyBhuttoZardari
    They did start it later. Don’t know when but I caught the end of it where he had one of the ANP guys whom said rightly that the first Bajour missle attack, our army claimed responsibility. Karman LIED and said they did not. ANP guy said they did. Kamran dropped him immediately and repeated the LIE once again. And that was the end of the show. (Remember the first reporter to report the incident as a US missle strike was picked up by intelligence agancies and murdered. And just a little time ago his widow was murdered as well by a b*mb planted outside her home.)

    Here is a link to the story :
    82 die as missiles rain on Bajaur: Pakistan owns up to strike; locals blame US drones

    And of our govt. taking credit for the murder:
    Bajaur operation not under any pressure: FO
    Bajaur dead were all militants, says Musharraf
    President Musharraf told an international gathering that anyone saying innocent people were killed in the air strike was lying.

    “They were all militants. They were doing military training there. We were working on them for last six, seven days and we know who they were and what they were doing,” the president said at the opening of a seminar on security in South Asia.
    Commanders to discuss Bajaur bombing
    “He defended the attack and said it was conducted by Pakistani forces and not by US or any other foreign forces.”

    But it was US that exposed Mush’s lies (Al Qaeda was target of Bajaur attack: US ) but he still continued to insist all the killed were militants. In fact he even released a video of them “training” at Fajir time.

    KAMRAN KHAN: YOU ARE A LY!NG SACK OF SH!T!

  24. democrat on May 15th, 2008 8:05 pm

    @nota
    You are giving all these logics as if establishment and west consider us humans. Do you remember in defence of his unconstitutional act,on 3rd Nov 2007 , Busharraf gave the logic on his televised speech that Pakistanis donot deserve the same human rights and democracy as people in west do. This is the problem. We are missing the fundamental question here. All these logics will fall on deaf ears because people n power (including fudels of PPP) donot consider us worthy of any of these rights. I agree with NS and APDM that this is the fight for another independence. I have a strong intution that atta crisis and all other crisis are self created by establishment because asking for justice is athe level of self actualization whereas establishment eants to keep them at first step of Maslow’s pyramid.

  25. TK on May 15th, 2008 8:07 pm

    Hey! anyone know the names of all the people in the Establishment and where they live?

  26. democrat on May 15th, 2008 8:15 pm

    @TK
    Establishment is a dynamic phenomenon and to understand it you have to understand the fourth dimention.
    This is a term loosely applied to the ruling class elite. However in lay terms it is a cult that most of the people deprived of their basic needs wish to and dream to join.
    Once you hve been part of it even foor a while, you are given a different status in the society so this is a different cast and crede system with a history of of millions of years. Have you ever thought why people still keep the titles like RAJput,Mughal,etc(no offencxe to any of thses royals hanging around among us commons). So establishment, in another way is probably a social behaviour without the boundries of any formal institutions.
    Now who is establishment? You suggest and we will add.

  27. Asif on May 15th, 2008 10:17 pm

    Everybody in House is busy in cashing the judiciary issue. But no one is sincere in resolving the issue. PMLN being a part of government failed to convince the coalition on restoration od judiciary(good on talk but still no walk).
    Boycotted Tasser\’s oath ceremoney but eventualy will have to work with him(again good on talk but still no walk), how long the can boycott, Its just a dinner away to get away with boycott.
    Sharifs paper accpeted this time without any change in Judiciary. So the decisions made by courts are still political & heavily influenced by the ruling party.

    The people yet again are the victims of ruling classes\’ injustice & brutalities, with the only exception of change of label from PMLQ to PPP PMLN ANP.

    Can these goons change their nature? if can\’t then they would be the next to be burned alive like the street robbers the other day. It seemz to be no more fiction but a bitter reality………

    Posted 3 seconds

  28. hawmajid on May 16th, 2008 1:24 am

    @TK on May 15th, 2008 5:45 pm
    Man i dont think its mush convoy he has 9 mercedes convoy plus 2 dummy convoys (ie 27 mercs ) This look more like governor or cm they had 2/3 mercs/bmw.

  29. Riddle 792 on May 16th, 2008 2:20 am

    Lawyers: We will not support Aitezaz Ahsan on PPP ticket for election: http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/may2008-daily/16-05-2008/main.htm

  30. kinnare on May 16th, 2008 2:43 am

    @Riddle, most of office bearer at different Bar council around Pakistan are from forum of Pakistan People Party’s lawyer forum. So forget about any street demonstration of large magnatuted. NS did not learn any thing from his past mistake. Although I agree that his cheque does not come directly from US. He should start thinking about Pakistan.

    18th Feb, election produce hung parlaiment as Gen Mush said it would. It was great of Zardari and PPP to go in partnership with NS instead of PMLQ which they could have easily. NS should be thank ful of that instead of quarling like six year old.

    As far as judge are concern they are corrupt. who allowed to the General of Pakistan Army to rule over Pakistan CJ iftakar. Well if you kill some one and than say sorry and accept that law will not take it course and you are living in fools paradise. CJ would and should feel very lucky if is reinstate. I would vote for him not to be restored.

  31. nota on May 16th, 2008 9:11 am

    While Deposed judges blast charity offer of reappointment, two stories in The News give opposite takes on Aitzaz’s press conference:

    Aitzaz supports Asif over proposed resolution
    “…Aitzaz Ahsan on Thursday said a joint resolution by parliament for the restoration of the judges, as recommended by PPP Co-chairman Asif Zardari, would be an appropriate step…” WTF?

    PPP has disappointed nation: Aitzaz
    “…He said he had always apprised PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari of his stance on the restoration of judiciary but he did not agree to his stance.”

    Did anyone watch Aitzaz news conference?

  32. nota on May 16th, 2008 9:26 am

    Acceptance of (NS / SS) papers raises new fears by Ansar Abbasi
    ISLAMABAD: The credibility of the Election Commission took a battering on Thursday when the nomination papers of the PML-N leaders, Mian Nawaz Sharif and Shahbaz Sharif, were accepted by the returning officers. The decision came months after the rejection of their papers on certain grounds.

    However, a new crisis could develop if the returning officers’ decision is challenged in the High Court or the Supreme Court where the PCO judges would conduct the proceedings. Nawaz Sharif would not contest his case as a matter of principle as he does not recognise the PCO courts. Thus, Nawaz may lose the case by default….

  33. Riddle 792 on May 16th, 2008 10:22 am
  34. Riddle 792 on May 16th, 2008 11:00 am

    Half of Karachi without electricity-man climbs 300 feet high power lines
    AAJ, Express TV reporting LIVE

    ! ? ! > $

  35. Rashid on May 16th, 2008 4:40 pm

    Same court, same EC accepts NS papers. And now NS calls it first step towards independent judiciary. On one side, PML is going nuts over Taseer’s appointment, on the other hand they accept the old system.

    PML-N can’t continue to take moral high ground for long if they continue supporting Federal govt and enjoy power in Punjab. Awam and Media will soon get tired of this “karwi goli” politics.

  36. TK on May 16th, 2008 5:24 pm

    Police brutality in Pakistan:

    http://vidpk.com/view_video.php?vid=12267

  37. TK on May 16th, 2008 5:29 pm

    @democrat: re: “establishment”

    If you don’t know who your enemy is how are you going to fight it? Can you pinpoint what people (actual humans) this ‘pahaaRi Jinn” called ‘establishment’ consists of?

    BTW, I have violently disagreed with the misinformation spread by the kleptocracy that “establishment” is a dynamic phenomenon.. very ver very hard to know who it is..

    The question was rhetorical and to force an acknowledgement that we don’t know what the FRUK this ‘establishment’ is.. but we keep harping about it.. In the meantime, this ‘establishment’ keeps affecting real and brutal change and degeneration in our society..

    so.. what gives?

    I want names!

    P.S. I’ve tried to explain this issue and the ‘establishment’ in the Pakistani context in my blog.. I think our opinions differ on this.

  38. urazzaq12 on May 16th, 2008 5:30 pm
  39. TK on May 16th, 2008 5:34 pm

    looks like Naji recieved a big fat poTli of cash from the secret accounts of the “ministry of Information”..

    what a shameless lifafa journalist!

  40. ashahid on May 16th, 2008 6:00 pm

    PPP-Q is going to be the bit$h of the year and Chaudry Asif Ali Ghadari the son of the bit$h.

  41. kafka8 on May 16th, 2008 6:11 pm

    kamran khan is a disgrace to journalism!

  42. TK on May 16th, 2008 7:55 pm

    Why the hell is Zardari getting briefing from ISI ? He is not a member of parliament, not even senate, has NO portfolio and has NOT signed ANY “secrets act”

    how the hell is this guy going to bring about “supremacy of Parliament” when he himself has NO IDEA what it means to follow proper procedure?

    WHY the hell is ISI giving top secret briefings to this guy? How the F*K is this different than a one man rule that Mushie was accused of? How is this following the rule of law and procedures of national security? And why the he!! is National “Security” Council quiet on this matter?

    http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=_Zm3FoO-6rU

  43. Rashid on May 16th, 2008 8:04 pm

    @TK,

    I had raised this exact same point long time ago. I think it was the first ‘briefing’ in which NS and AZ were present. I was told by @Peja, it’s their right because they have people’s ‘mandate’.

  44. TK on May 16th, 2008 8:05 pm

    @Rashid: well that makes the two of us.

  45. TK on May 16th, 2008 8:10 pm

    @admin: some javascript on the “blacksheep” page and visitor page kills my FireFox when I follow any of the links to “most recent comments” from the front page.. it just dies and says “reading from pagead2.googlesyndicate.com” or something like that…

    it happens a lot.. I have firefox latest version.

  46. Amir Hameed on May 16th, 2008 8:14 pm

    @TK

    Why the hell is Zardari getting briefing from ISI ? He is not a member of parliament, not even senate, has NO portfolio ….

    It is simple because he is getting the fokking protocol for complying with the GHQ, not touching Moshe and obediently bowing to the US. What a fokking joke PPP has become becuse of the likes of these so-called “beloved leaders”.

  47. Amir Hameed on May 16th, 2008 8:20 pm

    @kinnare
    Man, I don’t know whether I should laugh at your statements or feel sorry for you and the others like you who “seriously” believe that Zardari is a great leader. What a fokking joke.

  48. mbokhari on May 16th, 2008 8:20 pm

    @TK:

    “Why the hell is Zardari getting briefing from ISI ? He is not a member of parliament, not even senate, has NO portfolio and has NOT signed ANY “secrets act”

    how the hell is this guy going to bring about “supremacy of Parliament” when he himself has NO IDEA what it means to follow proper procedure?”
    ——————

    It is not very hard to understand. When you see Pervez Ellah talk about Mao and Che, Zardari can yap his flap about the Parliament being sovereign.

    Remember when he came back right after BB’s death, he had the same Ghunda mustache, the same Khopra glasses…Must have been Sherry Rehman who gave the pickpocket a makeover with a clipped mustache and rimless glasses. And it must have been Hussain Haqqani. the mirror image of Mushahid Hussain, who taught him these ‘big words’ to Zardari, the Lutaira of Larkana.

  49. Saqib on May 16th, 2008 8:21 pm

    The so called democracy has become a joke all around. We have a puppet Prime Joker in YRG, AZ snake roaming around at Mush’s will, Farooq H sNaeks making a mockery of the whole situation, Rehman “The Snake” Malik also roaming around at Bush’s will. How can jiyalas tolerate this? Don’t they have any respect left?

    Obviously not :-(

    /Saqib

  50. kafka8 on May 16th, 2008 8:21 pm

    @tk, rashid

    we dont know what the extent of the briefing was…why it was deemed important at this point in time……and from which ‘mouth’ of the faujistanisi establishment it came..

  51. TK on May 16th, 2008 8:31 pm

    @mbokhari: totally.I think it is HH who’s been coaching this douche! and I think he did all that goofy sultan rahi stache with thick rimmed glasses n walking stick BS to try to fool BB with all that shtick!

    This guy is No Hakim Ali Zardari.. let alone Bhutto! What the hell are we doing?

  52. econfused on May 16th, 2008 8:34 pm

    @ashahid

    Stop being a cl0wn and stop spreading lies. You are also violating pkpolitics policy by copy/pasting “articles”

  53. TK on May 16th, 2008 8:34 pm

    Well I raised the issue of NS and Zardari getting briefing from Kiyani and the other jurnails and I was thouroughly attacked by all the jiyalas (who seem to have disappeared off the FACE OF THE EARTH!!!)

    I’m not counting the M.Q.M transvestites still pretending to be PPP “jiyalas” ;)

  54. Saqib on May 16th, 2008 8:39 pm

    @TK

    Just change the issue and they will all readily jump back to participate in the debate.

    /Saqib

  55. TK on May 16th, 2008 8:46 pm

    @econfused:

    I noticed that too.. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is the guy himself.. ..

    @ashahid: Please don’t post that rupee-news tripe verbatim.. if you must point out an email use a snippet posting/pasting service.

  56. mbokhari on May 16th, 2008 9:10 pm

    I wonder what’s going to happen in the near future….I give the current Snake-administration around 6 months when the Atta, power, inflation will catch up with them. I was reading something the other day and some PPP-Q guy was saying that the lawyers have no jigra to get beat up on roads in this searing heat. I kept thinking, isn’t it PRECISELY like last year? These were the days between the first sacking and restoration, between March 9 and July 20th. If the lawyers destroyed Mush’s credibility then, they can certainly do it now.

    I am really hoping for some ugly confrontation so that the PPP-Q can be completely exposed. A Long March to really test the nerves of Rehman Malik will be just the thing the lawyers need. The Public Sympathy will be with the lawyers, NS and IK even more if they focus on the economic crunch. The PPP-Q will surely help destroy their own image within the Jiyalas with Zardari’s protocol, Mercedez, new corruption scandals etc…

    The Q era is not a distant memory and it is easier to label PPP as the new Q while the iron is hot.. A significant period of time between the Q and PPP-Q will enable Zardari to further strengthen his hold on power. The time is now. NS really needs to make some dama dam qalandar. Especially since they have the excuse of Salman Taseer now….I wouldn’t be surprised if Ch. Nisar’s ballistic press conference was a prelude to EXACTLY this order of battle.

  57. savage on May 16th, 2008 9:18 pm

    Asia Time’s report on Pakistan “Enlightened Moderation”

    —-
    In Pakistan, a dark trade comes to light

    …..”Rumors abound online that female TV stars and actresses can be hired for sex. “You can get film stars for 50,000 to 100,000 rupees but you need good contacts for that,” one blogger wrote after a trip to Lahore.
    “…..
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JE17Df02.html

  58. savage on May 16th, 2008 9:21 pm

    “Muhtaaj Qaum” to become even more dependet.


    USA offers installing mobile power plant at Karachi

    porthttp://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?200531

  59. TK on May 17th, 2008 1:25 am

    @mbokhari

    NS really needs to make some dama dam qalandar.

    O paa jee! asee tay pailaaN ee kaih ditta si.. as soon as the watching of the interview of the Nawaz of the Sharif 2 of the days ago!

    Nawaz Sharif said, and I quote “Meray 4 din unkay saath achchay guzray haiN” and he called this pco judges with real judges “Munaafiqat”

    E’laan-e jaNg to usi din ho gaya thaa baaQi sab khanah puri hai.. but I think they’re thinking a non-street game.

  60. mbokhari on May 17th, 2008 1:54 am

    @TK

    I am not so sure about the non-street game and its success. We have to concede one thing: The longer the judges stay deposed, the harder it is going to get to bring them back to the bench. I think the hearty protest marches post March 9 were more due to a sense of moral outrage and shock than to the finer points of Law.

    I fear we have gotten over that shock. Like the beGhairat nation that we are, we have accepted that and soon it will be harder to rile up the masses to wait for IMC as he drives from ISB to Lahore like before. Thats what the game plan of PPP traitors is, exactly true as Mushahid called it, the Zia Response. Essentially, prevaricating on an issue until the cows come home.

    I just read this article by Aftab Iqbal in Nawai Waqt and he says N and Q are planning a merger to forestall any decapitation moves by Mush. He thinks the Chaudhry brothers will publicly apologize to NS and support the Restoration of Judiciary.

    Ever since Ch. Nisar’s press conference, this N plus Q is looking more and more like the rational response to PPP plus Musharraf. I think NS has a choice to make. If he gets Q on board, he will have short term benefits. He will get to keep Punjab and may even capture the Center. He may be able to get rid of Musharraf and restore the judges. But the long term blowback will be horrendous. He will lose all his moral superiority and PPP will assume again the mantle of Shahadat.

    If NS ditches Q overtures, he stands to gain a windfall of public sympathy and may get 2/3rd again whenever the elections are held. But the downside of this Long War will be, the judges restoration will become even more unlikely.

    I don’t envy the pressure N people must be. To fuqq PPP over by merging with their bette noire, the Q guys. Or, to do a long term suicide bombing on PPP with the prospect of a Jannat where only N exists and both Q and PPP have been obliterated.

    hmmmm….

  61. TK on May 17th, 2008 2:05 am

    Actually, I think the only viable way for PML-N is to get Q on side. If they can. Mushahid Hussain could help out in this regard.

    If Zardari can sit with Altaf Chooran Wala, then I say to NS, FUGGIT! Bring Q on-board with an oath to CoD and commitment to judges issue.

    They are natural allies.

  62. mbokhari on May 17th, 2008 2:08 am

    @TK

    Ugh…I said precisely that but my long comment is in moderation…..infamy!!!

  63. mbokhari on May 17th, 2008 2:36 am

    Karachi land scam officer receives death threats

    ISLAMABAD: The Estate Officer of Pakistan, Sher Afzal Khan, who had unearthed the Rs 450 billion scam of government properties in Karachi, is now facing serious threats to his life.

    “On one occasion, I was directly threatened by one politician, who on May 15 repeated his threat through his private secretary, who visited me in my office, with dire consequences. Even today, I received a message from the TCS company that eight shipments had been delivered to some destinations and my cell number had been written on the packets.

    Since I had sent no shipment to anyone, I called the TCS who informed me that these shipments had been sent to the president of Pakistan, the prime minister, the chairman Senate, Senator Babar Awan, Senator Mohammad Ali Brohi, Maulana Fazlur Rehman and Senator Maulana Samiul Haq. I have sent no shipment to the above noted persons and the move appears to be an act of harassment. I very well know the forces of evil who are after me, particularly the politician who has himself passed threats to me and I have informed my family members and my tribesmen about these individuals and for any wrong that may be done to me, these people will be responsible.”

    ——————————————————————————
    Teendoo mentality at its worse. It’s the same from Chooran Devi down to the lowly thugs in shiitholes like Ranchore Lines.

  64. TK on May 17th, 2008 2:49 am

    @mbokhari: GRREEAT!!! Now I look like captain obvious! oooh boy!

    I guess we were on the same track.. interesting. Could it be that the road to Islamabad Goes thru Gujrat?

    IF that she-dog Anne Patterson starts meeting with the mumble-brothers.. then you know we’re on the right track.. that should happen within a day or so hehehe

  65. TK on May 17th, 2008 2:54 am

    @mbokhari: dude I said that without even reading anything…I guess it’s become so obvious now.. as the only alternative to street-protest which no-one really wants.. even the lawyers are prolly hoping they don’t have to do this ahageeen!

    You see, this was the whole point in the delaying tactic.. to stall the lawyers until it was godawful hot!! (or could be that Zardari is a douche? .. take ur pick)

  66. mbokhari on May 17th, 2008 2:57 am

    @TK

    Looks like N and Q wont be getting together after all. Shujaat has publicly endorsed Governor Taseer and is now trying to mend fences with Musharraf.

    Poor NS. Poor Lawyers. Poor Judges. Poor Pakistan.

    We didn’t deserve IMC. Who let the D0ggar out? Who? Who?

    Us, it seems.

  67. TK on May 17th, 2008 2:59 am

    The only reason I’m suspicious of a “Tehreek” is because JI is in it… Everytime these DOUCHES are supporting a “cause” it ends up anu$-furging the Nation.

    So, I say, do whatever the hell Jamat Islami is telling you to do. May the force be with you!

    Because people can tell me “Qazi is a cute little teddy bear, and Jamaat is Shooo Noiche now!”

    Lekin, Main naa maanooN kiraaRi kaa naam Ghulaam Fatima!

  68. TK on May 17th, 2008 3:00 am

    aaaaaaaaargh!

    “So, I say, do whatever the hell Jamat Islami is telling you to do. May the force be with you!”

    should read

    So, I say, do THE OPPOSITE OF whatever the hell Jamat Islami is telling you to do. May the force be with you!

  69. TK on May 17th, 2008 3:02 am

    @mbokhari:

    “Ekla Cholo ray!”

    I say Fugg all them niggiz! For once someone should fight for a principle in this land before it is smashed to bits by it’s enemies.

  70. mbokhari on May 17th, 2008 3:09 am

    Finally some piece of good news about Pakistan. This is by Khaled AlMaeena who is a Saudi journalist and sort of an expert on Pakistan. He speaks fluent Urdu.

    Pakistan Revisited — VI: A Time for Reflection

    On the day of our departure for Jeddah, with our bags packed and goodbyes dispensed with, our group found itself together at the coffee shop of the hotel. There each one of us talked about whether this trip had changed our opinions of Pakistan and its people.

    with more than 100 universities and 150 research institutes, Pakistan produces 100,000 engineering graduates annually, and another 100,000 technically trained graduates.

    More than 50 foreign companies have set up R&D facilities in Pakistan recently. Some of these include multinationals such as GE, DuPont, Bell Labs, IBM and Microsoft. In the business of automobiles, Pakistan manufactures and sells engine components to five of the world’s largest manufacturers. Suzuki and Hyundai are recent entrants to the manufacturing buzz in Pakistan setting up full-fledged plants, with Pakistan taking its rank as the ninth largest automobile manufacturer in the world.

  71. Riddle 792 on May 17th, 2008 3:14 am

    nawaz sharif was the chief guest in the recent launch of salman taseer’s urdu newspaper….!!!

    cmn’ ppl stop decieving the poor illiterate people of Pakistan. ….u all r chorr… chorr n chorr.. this is all topi drama from u ………….

  72. Tanweer Amjad on May 17th, 2008 3:23 am

    Million Dollar Question!!!
    What is the difference between PML(Q) and PPP?
    In the current politics, it is just two parties with difference in names. Both have Musharraf as the chief head. Shujaat has been replaced by Zardari.
    Rest of the analogies you could develop yourself.
    One says Parha Likha Punjab and the other says Karkun Shaeed Bhutto Roti Kapra Makan
    Both got support of JUI(F) and MQM
    I think the difference is only support of ANP. I think it will change soon as well.

  73. kinnare on May 17th, 2008 3:41 am

    @tanweer, it is hard for most of drawing room politician to understand between PPP and PMLQ or PMLN..

    I will try to make some sense for you their are two parties in Pakistan since 1970 one PPP and other is establishment. PMLN PMLQ, MQM, IJI, JUI, JI are all part establishment. This has to be appriciate that NS cheque come from Bank of America, through its branch in Saudi Arabia.

  74. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 3:48 am

    “Karachi land scam officer receives death threats”:
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=112982

    Is there a need to have the justice system protect people who reveal these types of scams against the mighties? Not in the dictionary of Zardari the snake.

    “PPP MNA tells strongman Zardari to restore judges”
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=112978

    I give kudos to Nasreen Chaudhry, MNA from Multan, for telling Zardari the snake on his face that the judges need to be restored.

    BTW, AA is frustrating the heck out of me. I am so close to start calling him a wuss. He can not have it both ways. He needs to make a decision on which side he is. Otherwise, he will loose all the respect that he has gained. I am also tired of his same rant on every TV program about Moshe KKB (Kutti Ka Bachcha) that how he is an illegal president and that how he sent those 60 judges home with the stroke of a pen. Oh, we get it, now what? Are you going to do something about Zardari’s tripple-standard politics or not. At least have the courage to pass right comments on what he has been doing.

  75. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 3:57 am

    @kinnare
    This seems to be your favourite phrase … there are two parties … blah blah blah … yatti yatti yatta.

    Try to reason with logic and not with cliches.

  76. mbokhari on May 17th, 2008 4:03 am

    @TK

    “So, I say, do THE OPPOSITE OF whatever the hell Jamat Islami is telling you to do. May the force be with you!”

    Haha…Reminds me of that old Seinfeld episode where George decides to do exactly opposite of what he has been doing all his life. Works out just fine for him. I remember he flipped back to his old self but I don’t remember why.

    I think NS has great potential to be a revolutionary. He could be what IK could never be and what Qazi has wet dreams of being. It won’t be a problem even with Qazi on board as the lawyers will cancel the Qazi out…::-)

    Nawaz Sharif has been doing ‘ekla cholo re’ in pursuit of principles ever since he came back. I hope that he ignores the terror of the thunder, the darkness of the night and ignites his heart with the lightning of our suffering and walk in its light.

    Ekla Cholo re. Nawaz Sharif, you have Tagore’s blessings.

  77. nota on May 17th, 2008 4:56 am

    @mbokhari
    “More than 50 foreign companies have set up R&D facilities in Pakistan recently. Some of these include multinationals such as GE, DuPont, Bell Labs, IBM and Microsoft. In the business of automobiles, Pakistan manufactures and sells engine components to five of the world’s largest manufacturers. Suzuki and Hyundai are recent entrants to the manufacturing buzz in Pakistan setting up full-fledged plants, with Pakistan taking its rank as the ninth largest automobile manufacturer in the world.”

    But what good is ANY of it if brings no benefit to the people of Pakistan (except a tiny segment)? Reminded me of the documentary on Nike that showed that though supplying the world with shoes, most of their factory workers can not afford shoes them selves.

  78. mbokhari on May 17th, 2008 5:12 am

    @nota

    I guess you are talking about the whole sweatshop, capitalist pig thing. I agree. Outsourcing and globalisation of labor has led to exploitation and unfair trade. But still, these enterprises have tertiary benefits that trickle down to the poorest. The factories provide at least survival wages. The MNC’s keep the engine of economy humming. More people can afford atta, medicines and banaspati ghee.

    But, anyway, take this guy with a pinch of salt. He is not a real journalist. No Saudi journalists are real journalists, they are just hacks hired to be mouthpieces of the police state.

    What is real and actual exploitation in Pakistan is price fixing, hoarding and speculation in real estate, currency and stock exchanges. Thats the “dribble down” theory of Stephen Colbert. The fatcats gobble up all resources, some of the crumbs and juices dribble down their beards where the poor cling to tbe beard, climb up and slobber up the dribbled nutirtion….
    :)

  79. urazzaq12 on May 17th, 2008 8:49 am

    The good Sharif:
    http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=112995

    Battleground Punjab:
    http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=112990

    Managing a coalition:
    http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=112993

    It’s amazing to see PPP getting exposed allover in the media, and now people of Pakistan are aware where PPP stands. And I think PPP is mistaken just like Q-league that whatever the media may say, people won’t give a damn about it, and they can continue with their hypocrisy.

  80. GM on May 17th, 2008 11:31 am

    Pakistani ambassador to Afghanistan Tariq AzizudDin has been released after 96 days.

  81. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 1:13 pm

    lawyers march 10 june??..can someone throw light on why they have given this 23 day gap period?? are ‘they’ trying to fizzle it out…give time to ppp-z…whats the logic behind this particular date? who is asif ali zardari to instruct the law minister (to pay the deposed judges?) what a bloody sham? YRG…shove your PMship up your ppp-ZIT !!

  82. nota on May 17th, 2008 2:06 pm

    @kafka8
    I was afraid of this. Dare I say it has to do with Aittzaz being a jiyala first?

    YRG is off to Egypt to meet his masters at the WEF and share a drink with Hosni so doubt he will be listening.

  83. TK on May 17th, 2008 2:06 pm

    @kafka8: that _is_ thuthpithious! maybe they are giving them time to do this in the budget session? Could also be that AA is trying to do AAZ a favor… ?? like he did when he told people to “forget may12″ … You see, now it seems he already knew Zardaro’s tack so he was starting to smooth out the lawyer’s resistance to it.. months in advance..

    anyways.. I don’t want to malign AA too much.. but I sometimes get a whiff of opportunist-ambition from his side too which kind of startles me.. but then everything is hunkey-dorey for a few more weeks..

    P.S Zardari has already started to refer to the govt. as “Meri GuvminT” ,”Ham Hukm deNgay” etc… YRG is a rubberstamp.. I wish he really _was_ the PM with the powers… wouldn’t that be great.. a half decent guy with the power to govern instead of reptiles incharge?

  84. TK on May 17th, 2008 2:09 pm

    Hussain Haqqani defends Unkle Sam:

    http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20080517/Sub_Images/1100408208-1.gif

    Does a bear sh!t in the woods?

  85. nota on May 17th, 2008 2:11 pm

    @kafka8
    Just wanted to add:
    Aitzaz reminds me of US presidents / presidential candidates who are only fully committed to one thing: “UNCONDITIONAL support to Israel.”

  86. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 2:24 pm

    @TK and NOTA

    ah…Aitezaz !! prove our fears wrong…!

  87. TK on May 17th, 2008 2:24 pm

    NikhaTToo Jurnails worth 500 MILLION DOLLARS Each!

    The common soldier doesn’t even get proper pension:

    http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20080517/Sub_Images/1100408456-2.gif

    Just wait till these soldiers join the rest of the bhukka naNgaa’s of Pakistan.

  88. nota on May 17th, 2008 2:38 pm

    @TK
    “Hussain Haqqani defends Unkle Sam:”

    Man you should have heard the 2 minute advert GEO did on Haqqani disguised as news on GEO News last night. It went something like:
    “Haqqani is the best ambassador Pakistan could have appointed, said Senator X. Senator Y said it does not matter who wins election in US as Haqqani has great relationship with both. Senator Kennedy sais Haqqani is very smart and intelligent and can express himself eloquently. Senator Z said Pakistan has nothing to worry since Haqqani is there……” and it went on and on and on. It was so bl**dy ridiculous.
    (sorry I just remember the name Kennedy)

  89. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 2:45 pm

    @nota

    i saw that too….GEO can be downright shameless at times….nay, is shameless most of the times. Hamid mir…and Shahid masood are rare exceptions. i think the article was in Washington Post.

    isn’t VOA carried on GEO too…wonder how much GEO makes on that cockabull per-ad-vert ?

  90. muchng on May 17th, 2008 2:46 pm

    “Hussain Haqqani defends Unkle Sam:”

    Please for God’s sake, spare him.

    He is only performing his duties whole heartedly.

  91. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 2:49 pm

    @tk and nota

    and with the coming of muck, it can only get muckier!! mucking mhit!
    :)

  92. TK on May 17th, 2008 2:51 pm

    @nota: “you should have heard the 2 minute advert GEO did on Haqqani disguised as news on GEO News last night”

    I guess this was to make up for the drubbing he got from that hack Dr. Shahid Masood!

  93. Saqib on May 17th, 2008 2:55 pm

    @mbokhari

    “I think NS has great potential to be a revolutionary.”

    Lol….We have had many potential Che Guevara’s, Fidel Castro’s etc. but unfortunately whenever they had the possibility the screwed up all the chances to deliver what is required. The oppressed people of Pakistan has just been left gaping almost each and every time. I agree that NS and his second string has had the right STATEMENTS, but what is required is the RIGHT ACTIONS, when you have power. In my opinion it is too early to say whether NS has changed himself to a real democrat or he is just another AZ waiting for his part of the cake.

    All the talk about a merger between N and Q is also worrying since it is only a short term solution i.e. like p!ssing in the pants to keep warm. I would advice for long term solutions to break the back of parties like PPP-Q, but for that NS may have to wait for next elections. The question is he able to control himself and other politicians from the party to be patient? Maybe they need someone else as a leader to have such patient work. I would much rather see a man like JV as the spearhead for PML-N.

    Btw I don’t think the next elections are too far away. If PML-N can hold it’s nerves then they will be able to form a formidable alliance with PTI to crush all the political wh0res.

    /Saqib

  94. TK on May 17th, 2008 2:59 pm

    @nota:

    US presidents / presidential candidates who are only fully committed to one thing: “UNCONDITIONAL support to Israel.”

    OT, but it boggles my mind.. how did the Jews in america accomplish this? while the arabs/muslims have just managed to look slightly better than child molesters? (the population sizes are not that different .. the Jews have been here longer .. but really.. what’s the geedaR singhi?)

    I know the mullah types say “kufur is ummat-e wahid” but really.. has anyone studied as to what makes the Jews “Tick” ?? … in _any_ society.

    be it

    Egyptions
    Greeks
    Romans
    Muslims
    Christians
    Modern Europe..
    United States..

    There is something to study and research here. What makes the US Presidents turn into little b!tches in front of only one group?

  95. nota on May 17th, 2008 3:15 pm

    @TK
    I think it has been studied more than enough but those who do are side-lined as crazies and “anti-semites”….

  96. econfused on May 17th, 2008 3:24 pm

    @TK anf others

    Did I miss the press conference of Aitezaz and lawyers convention OR te news channels has decided not to provide TV coverage. I noticed GEO was running ticker about long march, while AAJ was showing that dumb Rehman Malik conference.

    Without media coverage lawyers movement can definitely be toned down.

  97. TK on May 17th, 2008 3:28 pm

    @Saqib:

    “I would advice for long term solutions to break the back of parties like PPP-Q, ”

    Although I agree with your general sentiment, I think Q or any other Lota Parties are an emergent phenomenon based on the Feudal mindset and injustice that exists in the society.

    The only thing that has and can break Q’s be they PPP or PML would be the rising level of awareness in the population (and education)…

    Otherwise, these very same people will just make another party and call it somethingelse-Q or F or J or whatever..

    @nota:

    Oh yeah.. forgot about that… but you know that itself is part of the “network” that acts in unison while appearing to be ‘co-incidental and non-connected”

    hmmm ..

  98. zenith on May 17th, 2008 4:18 pm

    Nazir Naji is a true SOB. In todays Pachas Minute on geo, he is spewing out venom against PML-N and lawyers.

  99. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 4:34 pm

    @Admin,
    Based on what we are seeing of Aitezaz Ahsen recently, I would suggest that you open a topic on something like “Is AA still sincere to the lawyers cause” or something along these lines.

  100. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 4:42 pm

    One caller in Bolta Pakistan had hoped/wished, based on the decoits’ burning incident in Karachi, when these politicians who have done nothing but weaken the country would meet the same fate. Moshe KKB (Kutti Ka Bachcha) should be the first in line along with a few four star generals, followed by the likes of Zardari the snake, lotas from Q league, Maulana Diesel, and the list goes on.

    BTW, it is my opinion that this reptile Zardari’s GUDDI will not stay that high for too long. He is just a pawn or a little piece in the larger game plan of US, UK, Moshe KKB and the our army brass. He will meet his well deserved fate in the future at the hand of the same people who he is trying to give a safe passage.

  101. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 4:55 pm

    Ayaz Amir: “A country in the grip of small men”
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/arc_news.asp?id=9

    Ayaz Amir is changing his tone slowly and it is quite evident from his recent articles:

    Whatever their differences on the judges’ issue there are other issues on which they are in broad agreement. The popular mood is ugly and is getting desperate. Except for the very well-off, everyone else is feeling the impact of inflation.

  102. TK on May 17th, 2008 5:03 pm

    @Amir Hameed:

    He will meet his well deserved fate in the future at the hand of the same people who he is trying to give a safe passage.

    I think so too.. To get a sense of how Umreeka Bahadur treats its slaves, check out final moments of their maha-b!tches, Mr. Saddam himself.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBF8p9lsAb0&feature=related

    Those who live like Dogs, deserve to die like dogs at the hands of their foreign masters.

  103. TK on May 17th, 2008 5:06 pm

    Shireen Mazari Sacked by Haqqani and friend on 15 minute notices

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=112973

    @Amir Hameed: ur link is broken

  104. muchng on May 17th, 2008 5:08 pm

    “Is Zardari a leech or a parasite?

    A PML sympathizer asked this question and was thence trashed on being so base and mean.

  105. muchng on May 17th, 2008 5:10 pm

    “Is Sharif corrupt or hypocrite?”

    The Jiyala in turn asked this question and was thence trashed on being so base and mean.

  106. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 5:13 pm

    and then kali matia said ..jo altaf ka ghaddar hai…woh maut ka haqdar hai….and thence another kali matia burnt him alive.

  107. TK on May 17th, 2008 5:14 pm

    @muchng: I’m waiting for you to bestow your pearls of wisdom regarding one Altaf Chooran Wala upon us mere mortals.

  108. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 5:15 pm

    @TK,
    Here is the complete aricle from Amir Ayaz. The link was part of the back issues and for some reason was not pointing correctly:
    ————
    A country in the grip of small men
    Friday, May 16, 2008
    By Ayaz Amir

    Just last week I was saying (or was it opining?) that this coalition would endure. Well, that wasn’t analysis; it was the triumph of hope over reality. I was expressing a wish and making the wish sound like a profound appraisal of the national situation. It has taken just a week–a long time in politics, didn’t Harold Wilson say?–for my enduring coalition to come unstuck, or at least under strain, with PML-N ministers walking out of the federal cabinet on the judges’ issue. So much for wishful thinking.

    Somehow happiness doesn’t last very long in our climate. The euphoria sparked by the Feb 18 election has already evaporated. The people of Pakistan voted for change. What they are getting is more of the same. Somehow we just can’t manage things. Getting things right politically, ensuring stability, focusing on basic issues ailing the nation seem beyond the capability of our political or governing classes.

    The people proved, not for the first time, their acute sense of political judgment, giving a thrashing long to be remembered to the stalwarts, symbols and pillars of the Musharraf order. But what are they getting for their pains? The political leadership, all its leading lights throwbacks to an earlier era, is failing to measure up to popular expectations. While the wisdom of the Pakistani people stands vindicated, the inadequacy of the political leadership stands exposed.

    This is not a conscious betrayal of popular expectations; it is a betrayal by default, brought about by shallowness and opportunism of the worst kind. We always knew that the political leadership was inadequate and that it would have to show exceptional wisdom and maturity to get the transition from authoritarianism to democracy right this time. But that it would show signs of stress and failure so soon comes as a surprise even for hardened pessimists. The people of Pakistan are being prepared for another lesson in higher cynicism.

    When the country needed, above anything else, calm and stability, it is being pushed into another round of uncertainty and instability. The exploration of new allies for the PPP government at the centre has already started while in Punjab various horses and forward blocs (always a sign of danger) are out in the field, sizing up different options and conjuring up various permutations of change.

    My all-time favourite intriguer, someone in a class of his own, is friend and National Assembly colleague, Mian Manzoor Wattoo. There is a new glint in his eyes these days. Indeed, all those who thrive in a climate of intrigue–and there is no shortage of this kind in the lush political fields of Punjab–have come alive all of a sudden. The people of Pakistan be damned; the political elite is bracing itself for exciting times.

    Even the projected appointment as Punjab governor of Salmaan Taseer (congratulations Salmaan for finally making it up the greasy pole) is a pointer to what may be brewing in the minds of the PPP leadership. It would be surprising if appointing a sharp one like him to this position at this juncture is just an accident. Remember Governor Altaf Hussain and the role he played in the Punjab crisis of mid-1993? Together with Manzoor Wattoo, who earned his political spurs during that tumultuous interlude, Governor Altaf engineered the downfall of the PML-N government in Punjab. Governor Taseer is not being appointed to count the trees in the Governor’s House.

    Will Taseer be up to the task? I have my doubts (although like my fond prediction of the enduring-ness of the federal coalition I could be wrong yet again). Altaf had a feel for Punjab politics which Taseer, a drawing room champion, may lack. All the same, Mark Antony comes to mind. Having worked up the Roman mob after Caesar’s killing, what does he say? “Now let it work. Mischief, thou art afoot, Take thou what course thou wilt.” Exaggeration? Perhaps, but not far off the mark considering that the post-election euphoria has already given way to a sense of foreboding.

    Part of the problem was us, the Pakistani people, looking for heroes where none existed. We put exaggerated hopes in Asif Zardari who was pulled centre-stage after the assassination of his wife, Mohtarma Benazir Bhutto. We withheld judgment and gave him an extended period of grace, shutting our eyes to the fact that he had skeletons in his cupboard and his past made him a hostage if not to fortune at least to unfolding events. So even though banal phrases played on his lips we gave him the benefit of the doubt by reading in them the cadences of the statesman who existed only in our imagination.

    Now reality is coming home to roost and we are dismayed. Zardari was never going to be instrumental in restoring the judges. He made his intent loud and clear to whoever talked to him in private. But in public he spoke with what now can only be called a forked tongue and Nawaz Sharif believed him or pretended to believe him. But Nawaz Sharif had little choice. He could not restore the judges on his own and as he had gone out on a limb on this issue–even requiring PML-N candidates before the election to take an oath for their restoration–he had no choice except to believe, or pretend to believe, Zardari’s honeyed assurances.

    But too many deals were involved, too many assurances given to third-party mediators or interlocutors. For being able to make a bid for power, the PPP and Zardari were beholden to the United States in large measure and even to Pervez Musharraf in a limited sense. The reprieve or pardon that Zardari received via that piece of hilarious comedy, the National Reconciliation Ordinance, was part of the understandings arrived at between the concerned parties much before the people of Pakistan delivered their verdict on Feb 18.

    So how was Zardari a free agent? And if he wasn’t that it was foolish to invest high hopes in him regarding the restoration of the judges. The triumphant return of My Lord Iftikhar Chaudhry to the Supreme Court, to national applause, was just not part of the agreed scenario. The PML-N’s mistake lies in not giving due importance to this circumstance. It believed the honeyed assurances when there were enough grounds to be sceptical and, consequently, cautious.

    Zardari counters by urging ‘pragmatism’ (in Pakistan often near-cousin to hypocrisy) because he says it is not the struggle of the Pakistani people but the role of outside powers (for which read the United States) which has been vital in Pakistan’s transition to democracy. He is right up to a point. The United States put pressure on Musharraf to take off his uniform. That is what undercut his position because if he had still been army chief he would have been in a better position to influence the elections.

    But Zardari is wrong in not giving enough credit to judicial resistance and the lawyers’ movement, the real factors which weakened Musharraf and made him look a stricken figure in western eyes. Musharraf’s unravelling began on March 9 last year when My Lord Chaudhry stood up to him. Everything else followed. A weakened Musharraf was more susceptible to American pressure. A strong Musharraf could have insisted on his original game plan of holding elections while still in uniform.

    Zardari thus may be beholden to America but he forgets the obligation he and his party owe to the Pakistani people, the judges who confronted Musharraf and the lawyers who kept the flames of resistance alive throughout 2007.

    But enough of carping. Whether anyone likes it or not, Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif are the key players on the national scene and the task of steadying the nation’s ship and warding off the ghosts of uncertainty and instability devolve upon their shoulders. Whatever their differences on the judges’ issue there are other issues on which they are in broad agreement. The popular mood is ugly and is getting desperate. Except for the very well-off, everyone else is feeling the impact of inflation. We are in for a long, hot summer in any case. The last thing Pakistan needs is another round of open or surreptitious political warfare.

    Email: chakwal@comsats.net.pk
    —-

  109. BABU FROM USA on May 17th, 2008 5:16 pm

    @ ALL except kinnare
    Leave kinnare alone coz he is too dumb. He does not make any sense. His info is incorrect. He thinks and believes that crow is white and not black and that is his firm position. For example you tell him that PML WAS IN SOLID FORM WHEN PPP WAS NOT EVEN IN ITS LIQUID FORM. But he will disagree with you. He will say 1970 PPP came into being so PPP is the oldest party. He says1970 means older than 1947. So you see we cannot argue with him. HIS CROW IS WHITE.
    I HAVE ASKED HIM SO MANY QUESTIONS TO ANSWER WITH REASONS BUT HE NEVER USED A REASON. On the other hand, he start saying NS check comes from Bank of America via Saudia and if you ask him for the source of his info or evidence then he starts saying something else. I thought might he works for NS to bring his money from BOA to saudia and then to NS.

  110. muchng on May 17th, 2008 5:19 pm

    “Is Altaf Hussain a Bhai or Don”

    Both Jiyala and PML worker were gunned down. These workers might not have this fate, had they known that AH is a Ter******

  111. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 5:23 pm

    @TK

    ….Mazari clearly told him that her sacking was because of her independent views that had upset the US camp, which was dictating to the PPP government…..

    A well-planned purge process is being carried out by the fokking servants of the US. Mazari was one of the vocal critics of the US policies and it is of no surprise that she was asked to leave in a humiliated manner. Haqqani has been given a list of tasks by his US masters and he will execute them to their wishes.

    You know how we relate black sheeps and moles to “Mir Jaffer”; I wonder if it is time to change this analagy because if we look around, we will see many who have clearly surpassed the then “Mir Jaffar”.

  112. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 5:26 pm

    @BABU
    LOL :-)

  113. BABU FROM USA on May 17th, 2008 5:33 pm

    I am going to log out guys. Allah Hafiz.

  114. mbokhari on May 17th, 2008 6:17 pm

    REAL QUESTION

    “Is Altaf Hussain a Goat or a Hindu Goddess?”

    Tough Question.

  115. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 6:36 pm

    @dmin

    anything being uploaded anytime soon??

  116. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 6:39 pm

    @mbokhari,
    This is an easy one. Altaf Hussain is the reincarnation of a Hindu goddess in the shape of a goat.

  117. kinnare on May 17th, 2008 6:56 pm

    I hope that Lawyers would march toward GHQ in Rawalpindi and not toward parlaiment to weaken the parliament.

  118. kinnare on May 17th, 2008 6:59 pm

    Ayaz Amir is another hater of PPP he was part and parcel of Establishment.

  119. GM on May 17th, 2008 7:02 pm

    @ Kinnare

    Its a news for me that Ayaz Amir was part n parcel of Establishment and he is a PPP hater.
    Please do give me a reference or apologise and feel ashamed for telling lies.
    Now for your information, his father Amir Khan was MNA from chakwal on PPP ticket in 1970.

  120. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 7:03 pm

    @kinnare
    The parliment has no powers, thanks to the fokking reptile, Zardari, and the likes of him for strengthening the Establishment. And Yes, we know that there are two political parties in Pakistan… blah blah blah …. yatti yatti yatta.

    And, yes, those who criticize PPP must be PPP haters and not because they have some brain that they use from time to time. PPP is part of establishment now.

  121. kinnare on May 17th, 2008 7:13 pm

    @amir Hameed, I think you are wrong PPP is not part of establishment and will newer be. If Parliment has now power it is not because of PPP but the reason is seventeen amendment. which was done with the help of JI JUI and other People inthe parlaiment of that time.

    I do not mind if some one criticize PPP, but the fact remain what it is. PPP media trail start as soon as PPP comes to government this nothing new I am looking this for last forfty years.

  122. kinnare on May 17th, 2008 7:14 pm

    @GM, Ayaz Amir was in Pakistan Army.

  123. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 7:18 pm

    admin…any new ones for the viewing..sire?

  124. GM on May 17th, 2008 7:39 pm

    Latest News..

    Manzoor wattoo appointed as Advisor to Prime Minister

  125. savage on May 17th, 2008 7:43 pm

    @GM

    “Manzoor wattoo appointed as Advisor to Prime Minister”

    A big slap for kinnare like peoples. Keep it PPP show us your real face, don’t be shy ,you still have supporters, right Kinnare sir? :)

  126. kinnare on May 17th, 2008 7:45 pm

    @savage, Thank you for title. HA HA HA

  127. sota on May 17th, 2008 8:04 pm

    @GM and Kinara

    I know ayaz amir from university time .yes he was in the army but was inducted in civil service by bhutto government .he was third secretary in russia when his father a PPP mna from chakwal was murdered .later he did his master in .He is any thing but pro establishment . He was part PSF in his university time .he is considered the most progressive thought and hates the religious parties

  128. nota on May 17th, 2008 8:04 pm

    @TK
    “Shireen Mazari Sacked by Haqqani and friend on 15 minute notices
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=112973

    So I was right :)
    Here is my post from 3 days ago:

    nota on May 14th, 2008 9:46 am

    Shireen Mazari removed from Institute of Strategic Studies.

    No surprise there since her latest articles were pointing finger at U.S. So I guess U.S. State Dept told Haqqani who told Qureshi who obliged.

    Another feather in the cap of PPP for Jiyalas to be proud of.

  129. nota on May 17th, 2008 8:07 pm
  130. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 8:21 pm

    this bit about shireen mazari is odd….she is supposedly part of the ‘establishment’ …you dont get to be Director ISS without ;connections’

    that the umreeki face of the establishment has an upper hand is obvious, but how long will the ‘other’ one stay dormant.???

  131. muchng on May 17th, 2008 8:27 pm

    Shireen Mazari is part of the establishment–her father was an MNA.

    Her brother worked as a DC in the bureaucracy.

    It is only during the last few years that they did not get their “DUE” share in the plunder and that led her to write against Uncle Sam.

  132. nota on May 17th, 2008 8:33 pm

    @muchng
    According to pejamistri and the News she certainly was getting her right share…

  133. Amir Hameed on May 17th, 2008 8:34 pm

    @Kinnare
    —-
    If Parliment has now power it is not because of PPP but the reason is seventeen amendment. which was done with the help of JI JUI and other People inthe parlaiment of that time.
    —-

    Huh! dude, if what you were trying to say was that the powers were given to the presedent by JUI-F in the form of 17th ammendment and not by PPP then you are right. BUT, how would you explain: a) PPP in bed with the same Fazlu who had bestowed this “meharbani” on the nation? b) Now that PPP is in a position to do something about it because of support from PML-N and the civil society is also willing to back it up if it does the right thing then why is this reptile Zardari’s legs shaking and instead of doing the right thing he is also in bed with Moshe? Care to explain it? Look around and you will see how those who were not even elected by the masses are running the show. Care to explain why?

  134. muchng on May 17th, 2008 8:44 pm

    @nota

    She deserved much more than a mere pennies— $130 K is nothing much for these sharks. She was knew too much for being just offered a paltry 130 K.
    She wanted deers not mere chickens.

  135. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 8:46 pm

    admin…any hint on whats to come tonight and when?

  136. Kruman on May 17th, 2008 8:47 pm

    Slaman Taseer’s Son Dressed up as Captain Cond0m
    ===========================================
    http://www.newsindia-times.com/nit/2005/01/21/wedding-26top.html

    Lady Ella Gabriella, daughter of Prince and Princess Michael of Kent, and an aspiring journalist, is planning to marry her Indian boyfriend Aatish Taseer, a trainee reporter for Time magazine in London, according to news reports.

    Lady Gabriella, 23, the 30th in line to the British throne, met Taseer when she was studying Spanish and English literature at Brown University in the United States and he was at Amherst College, Massachusetts, working part-time as a segxual health campaigner dressing up as ‘Captain Cond0m.’

    Lady Gabriella, 23, the 30th in line to the British throne, met Taseer when she was studying Spanish and English literature at Brown University, Rhode Island, and he was at Amherst College, Massachusetts.
    Taseer, 24, who was born in Mumbai, is the son of Salman Taseer, a Muslim from Pakistan, and noted journalist Tavleen Singh.

    “Prince and Princess Michael of Kent will announce that their elegant 23-year-old daughter is to marry Aatish early this year,” The Sunday Telegraph was quoted as saying.

    The Prince and the Princess are both Catholics but they have no problem with Taseer who, although born of a Muslim father, is said to be a practicing Sikh. In fact, the Princess, who considers Taseer as one of the most handsome young men, has been quoted in newspapers as saying she would have no objection if Prince Williams married a Muslim girl. The Prince and Princess had reportedly flown earlier to meet Taseer’s mother in New Delhi, reports said.

    The couple are likely to live in India after Taseer’s stint as a trainee in London gets over.

    “I will be heading back to India to pursue my career,” Taseer was quoted as saying in The Times of India. “The opportunities in media out there are excellent and I am determined to give it a go. I have lived here in London and in New York, but Delhi is where I am from and where I want to be,” he told the newspaper.

  137. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 8:48 pm

    @nota

    but she stood up when moshe began to sell off pakistan bit by bit…

    i think i saw her taking part in the lawyers march too.

  138. nota on May 17th, 2008 8:52 pm

    @kafka8
    Exactly. Must say I was surprised by her latest stand and so not surprised by her firing. That is why when i heard about it, the first thing that popped into my head was “Haqqani did it!”

  139. nota on May 17th, 2008 8:56 pm

    @Kruman
    “Taseer who, although born of a Muslim father, is said to be a practicing Sikh”

    One could say:
    “Salman who, although born of a Muslim father, is said to be a Sick mofo”

  140. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 8:57 pm

    @nota

    there should be a “people to watch’ list ….and haqqani should be on it.

  141. nota on May 17th, 2008 9:02 pm

    @kafka8
    “there should be a “people to watch’ list ….and haqqani should be on it.”

    He’s been on my watch list for years :)

  142. sota on May 17th, 2008 9:39 pm

    Shiren Mazari is the dauhter of Bikh shir Mazari and a white mother .No doubt his father is fedual but also the brother of shir baz khan mazari.

    Again she represents the progressive forces not the feudal forces .

  143. Tanweer Amjad on May 17th, 2008 10:01 pm

    Million Dollar question put by Ayaz Amir at the end of ‘Pachaas Minute’
    Only one person took the cases of poor people in the highest court of Pakistan, and that hero is finding it difficult to find justice for himself by a high mandate party.
    I am unable to copy it since it was put in a better way.
    Justice is the biggest issue. And if Zardari is not here in Pakistan because of NRO or any under-table deal he should be brave enough to face all cases in the true court.

  144. urazzaq12 on May 17th, 2008 10:02 pm

    @ admin

    Will you be uploading today’s “50 Minutes” sooner or later..?

  145. kafka8 on May 17th, 2008 10:04 pm

    nazir naji is epitome of yellow journalism.

  146. FSM on May 17th, 2008 10:48 pm

    @sota

    Shirin Mazari ….is she daughter of Balkh Mazari or Aashiq Mazari???

  147. kinnare on May 17th, 2008 11:03 pm

    @Tanweer Amjad, can you name the CJ who allow General of Pakistan Army to rule over the country and make amemdment in constitution.

    Shahid Kinnare

  148. Amir Hameed on May 18th, 2008 2:12 am

    @kinnare
    Can you name a CJ who said NO to an army dictator which had never happened in the history of this country. Can you name a CJ who took up cases of missing persons?

    Ask yourself, why is CJ so popular? Has any CJ ever became so popular?

  149. Amir Hameed on May 18th, 2008 3:20 am

    “Smiling all the way, Chaudhrys outsmart Musharraf, Nisar”
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=113275

    Interesting.

  150. mbokhari on May 18th, 2008 12:20 pm
  151. kafka8 on May 18th, 2008 2:18 pm

    AA stands up!! gives up his ticket for NA55!

  152. TK on May 18th, 2008 2:21 pm

    Hey…!!! The Documents Section has a lot of goodies in it now! wow! Thanks @dmin and whomever put this list together!

    http://pkpolitics.com/documents/
    :D

  153. kafka8 on May 18th, 2008 2:28 pm

    @tk

    you watching AA mate? feel rejuvenated..over here.

  154. BABU FROM USA on May 18th, 2008 2:37 pm

    @ ALL>> Kinnare CROW IS STILL WHITE AND WILL REMAIN WHITE UNTIL HE HIMSELF OWN HIS EYES AND MIND. HE NEVER DARE TO ANSWERS MY QUESTIONS.
    First he raised the question that CJ was corrupt and when I confronted him with this that if CJ was really a corrupt person then why mush with all his power along with Zalil A.G and Khabees haramzada could not prove CJ a corrupt person in SC. But he still calls them corrupt. So he keep insisting that crow is white and not black.
    I told him already Fazlu the big fat lota have helped mush with 17th. ammendment. YA SHAYEED HI KINNARE LAGGA.

  155. mbokhari on May 18th, 2008 2:38 pm

    Holy Jumping Batman! TK….

    That’s what we need in the documents section. Could it be nota? or perhaps @dmin himself…

    Thanks…and please keep adding more stuff.

  156. BABU FROM USA on May 18th, 2008 2:38 pm

    i MEANT>>>>OPEN HIS EYES AND MIND

  157. TK on May 18th, 2008 2:53 pm

    @kafka8: TK is standing up, applauding AA’s actions! :D
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U04ZSXyfH3k

    Wake UP!! B!tches! The Time is NOW!

  158. TK on May 18th, 2008 3:01 pm

    @mbokhari: Come on! take a bow.. (maybe not yet..) Admin needs to get @nota in the loop too…

    I need that Tarikh-Al-Tabari! Dang it!!!

    Arts and Litrature needs more love!

    Thanks Admin!

  159. Asif on May 18th, 2008 4:16 pm

    One of the Forgotten Pakistatni Heroes. Lets start to appriciate them.

    Prof Asghar Sodai’s verse “Pakistan Ka Matlab Kia - La Ilaha Illallah” became the central slogan of the Pakistan Movement which was read by every Muslim of the Subcontinent and became the basis of the country.

    Hes passed away yesterday living a very simple & modest life. I happened to see him once. He was very down to earth person that I can never forget. May Allah rest his soul in peace. Ameen

  160. kinnare on May 18th, 2008 4:42 pm

    @Asif, I am sorry but I would like to state the facts about creation of Pakistan. First, Pakistan was not made for Islam. Actually Ulema of India were totally against creation of Pakistan. Mohammad Ali Jinnah was called Kafir. and their was a big resistance toward the creation of Pakistan. As every thing is lie from the establishment people Prof Asghar Sodai verse was not creat until after creation of Pakista

  161. GM on May 18th, 2008 4:58 pm

    @ Kinnare

    i totally disagree with u. u r always here for ur irrational comments and far from reality and facts.

    It is NOT true that ulema of India were against creation of Pakistan.
    Only Mulla of a certain faction were against and those Munafiq Mullas are the first Love of ur beloved zardari (Mulla fazlu).

    Infact majority of muslim ulema not only supported Pakistan movement , they also had active participation in Pakistan movement. Refer to All India Sunni conference In Banaras (1946) where the resolution stated that even if Mr. Jinnah disowns the demand for an independent state for Muslims (Pakistan), we will continue this struggle.
    Most of the ulemas were active members of Muslim League and MSF (like Molana abdusSattar niazi)

    So please dont distort the facts. If in ur eyes hypo Mullas like Fazlu are’ulemas’, then no one can help you out.

  162. TK on May 18th, 2008 5:07 pm

    If you want to see Yellow Journalism at it’s best WORST! … watch the 50 minutes of 17 May…

    Imtiaz Alam and Nazir Naaji have let go of _any_ sense of propriety and respect for the intelligence of the Pakistani People and are supporting the NON-Democratic agenda to the hilt!

  163. GM on May 18th, 2008 5:19 pm

    @ TK

    actually there is some difference of programme schedule (b/w UK and Pakistan)for some of GEO programmes (like Left Right and 50 Minutes). So i think it will be uploaded on Pkpolitics in cpl of days.

  164. savage on May 18th, 2008 5:46 pm

    MARDAN: 13 people have been killed and 22 others have been injured in blast in Mardan, the reports said. The blast occurred in a bakery in PRC market of Cant area of the city, media reports said.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=45797

    It is aftermath of Bajaur missile strike, poor jawans are again at receiving end just because they are soft targets.

  165. Asif on May 18th, 2008 5:50 pm

    @ Kinnare

    If you don’t know Prof Asghar Sodai, then keep your nose poking into your dears & near ones to whom ever you like, I won’t mind.
    I have met with that great man & happened to spend a day with him while at an award ceremoney at a school. So keep these people away from our stagnant & stinky thinking.

    Soory for any comments that appears to you be offensive.

  166. aftab on May 18th, 2008 5:57 pm

    aoa

    good decision by AA to withdraw his papers from NA55.

  167. imalik5525 on May 18th, 2008 7:57 pm

    @aftab
    its a good decision but it made me worried that shiekh rasheed might win again…….can ppp or pmln still put some candidate on na 55??

  168. TK on May 18th, 2008 9:07 pm

    The state of Mental Health Care in pakistan:

    http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20080518/Sub_Images/1100408934-1.gif

    Also, the state the Mental Health in Pakistan: (graphic picture)

    http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20080518/Sub_Images/1100408911-1.jpg

  169. TK on May 18th, 2008 9:11 pm

    Who are these people? and why do “educated” people accuse their enemies of “blasphemy” ?

    http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20080518/Sub_Images/1100408973-1.jpg

    Another paRha likha Jaahil like TeeNDoo could probably answer this question.

  170. ataraxis6 on May 18th, 2008 9:52 pm

    Pakistani Politics explained in the context of game theory.

    Capital suggestion-Game theory and the PPP by Dr Farrukh Saleem
    http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=113297

  171. kafka8 on May 18th, 2008 10:14 pm

    @atraxis

    thanks for the link. great read. totally agree with the author.

  172. aftab on May 18th, 2008 10:34 pm

    aoa

    which candidate will fight for NA55 any idea guys.

  173. aftab on May 18th, 2008 10:34 pm

    cont

    sorry i meant from N-league

  174. sota on May 18th, 2008 10:37 pm

    @Kinara

    One of the great alam Syed Jamat ALI shah of Ali pur Saidin (Narowal District) worked for pakistan movement even when he was ill and people in those days do not have cars to go from village to village and they used charpis to take him from one village to another village because he was unable to walk .Anothe great name is Maulana Shabbir ahmed Usmani who worked very hard for pakistan movement .

  175. Amir Hameed on May 18th, 2008 10:47 pm

    While I applaud and appreciate AA’s decison to withdraw from by-elections, I still believe that he should not have opted to participate in them to begin with.

    Now that he has made up his mind not to contest, he should try and make the long march as successful as possible. This may be the last chance to get all the pro-judiciary forces together because people will eventually get tired and give up after repeatedly seeing all their efforts go in vain and this is excatly what the establishment , including Moshe, PPP, PML-Q, MQM and JUI-F want to see.

  176. econfused on May 18th, 2008 10:53 pm

    Lateef Kinaare how is weather in TN, must be hot :)

  177. kinnare on May 18th, 2008 10:59 pm