Mush is history? Too good to be true. I will believe it when I’ll see it. I have been fooled before (many times).

this is another proof of how much the ARmy has learned from past deeds of a few greedy Gernals…
MUsh has been catostrophic for the image of the Armed forces but now with a professional like Gen Kiyani in charge , we should support such acts, not carry on vid our daggers drawn strategy.

Despartely waiting to listen that the traitor is in custody and is in Adeela
jail, waiting trail. Waitin summry trail. Court Marsal?

yes the end is very near.

If he tried to remove Kiyani, I think kiyani has finally taken the step to oust him, kiyani had a 3 hour long meeting with mush today….

I think he is going to leave……

Mulla!

The question is : who will replace him ?

Mulla!

A little cool pleasent breeze………..love this news
I want Musharraf hanged…….Inshaallah that moment is coming closer…..

some one asked who will replace hm. Obviously it should be Mian Nawaz Sharif or Qadeer. Either one will be a right choice. Any other thoughts by any one?

Mush should be taken into custody ,before he attempt to flee the country.
All the deposed judges should be reinstated, even before the arrest of Mush.

Mush should be taken into custody ,before he attempt to flee the country and all the deposed judges should be reinstated, even before the arrest of Mush.

Musharraf ka kam tamam honay wala hai
Mar gya mardood , na fateha na darood
Musharraf should not be allowed to flee from country.
He should be arrested and executed in public .

Guys,
We all know that Nawaz Sharif too looted the 16 croor mazloom awam. He is Gen Zia the greatest Shaitan of all times Baqiayaat. He tried to eliminate Senate. He made a chicken cabinet and was trying to become a civillian LOHAR dictator. He took 1000 coroor rupees from national treasure and got it written off by Zia Shiatan. Don’t be fooled. After atomic show down he started to play with Punjab emotions by starting Kalabagh Dam, even though three provincial assemblies had out spokenly rejected it by resolutions.
He is not a national leader and never proved to be one. Mr AZ is 10% but MR Nawaz Sharif is 20 % and Army Generals are 80% and so are other crooks like choudo Nisar and Gujrati choudries.
any thoughts…..

Now it is in the hands of people. Even if 100,000 people take to the streets in ISB Musharraf will be hanged.

We should not trust even Kiani.After all he is also a general who haslotof medals on his chest/shoulder without winning a war or even a battle. I just do not remeber even a single thing that this army has done good for our country. To my judgement, these coward money hunting generals are still running the show behind the scene and they will try to give Mush safe passage.
NK

mush will leave,he will be given security and not be arrested.
This is done to make people a little happy so that the iftikhar chohdary’s reinstatement can be put to back burner.

our elite (generals and the political agents) are playing this game of changing faces whenever there is a threat to there hold on the resources .
Iftikhar chohdary was a threat and to keep him away kyani is forcing mush to resign……..iftikhar ch was threat to our elite to US interests.

so basically kyani is implementing a minus 2 formulae
any ways mush’s departure is a vgood news neverthless..but mark my words he wouldnt be punished ,he would be given a safe passage…
only punishment can come after some time from some hidden hand when retired president’s security will not be fool proof like it is now………

once mush leave……..people’s agony will be lessened and they wouldnt react if iftikhar ch is not reinstated.

Ya Kuda Tera Shukar hay—-
Aaj Laal masjid kee massoon larkion kee ahoon nay rang dikha dia.
Aaj ka Faraoun Jahanam Raseed hua.
Inshallah some one from Taliban, from Qabail, from Missing persons families or koi allah ka banda iss koo wasal-e-janam kar day gaa.

Yaa kuda tera Shukar hayy..
chottibibi

This is the part of minus 2 formulae………………army and US dont want to see iftikhar ch back so they are making mush resign………to make people happy…….so that they dont react when IMC is not reinstated.

good news is that mush is history but IMC’s reinstatement demand should keep its intensity ……..we still have goals to achieve.

judiciary,rule of law,economical relief to poor and cut of budget of army and elite still needs to be addressed…civiil society and media shld not forget these demands in the euphoria of mush kutta’s departure

so in other words,Kiani is also a shaitan. he is serving army’s interest, npt pakistan’s.

Just now one point came to my mind.Why visitors from abroad are allowed to meet military generals in their offices?………..generals should seek permission from the political government in Islamabad before they can see foroeigners in their offices. To me it appears that military generals in consultation with their foreign allies are running the show………….. These visitors should be banned from seeing generals directly. Also the number of generals should be reduced to the minimum. Just look at US army,how many generals they have. They control the whole world. OUr generals just hund for resources. I do not think we need to useless generals.

It is all in the hands of the people now. The time for the long march is today, not June12th.

our elite (generals and there political agents beurocracy) always tend to change some faces to protect the current system and to make people happy .Since they are the sole benefeciaries of current system full of injustice ,they try to sack some notorious personality to calm down people when ever there is a pressure from civil society

This is the part of minus 2 formulae

I do not know when our nation will get rid of these useless dacoits…general sahibs.

@Mulla Nafs e Zakkiya
The question is who will replace him?

I think Aitzaz Ahsan would be the best choice or the second and final choice should be Imran Khan But to your question..I’m too wondering for who will be the president.

I wish my moment of truth is coming soon and my moment of truth is to see “Musharraff hanged till death” setting a revolutionary ideal before the people of Pakistan. But Musharraf alone, is not responsible for everything, his cronies should be hanged too. If this happens, it will be a revolution itself!

our elite (generals and there political agents beurocracy) always tend to sack some notorious person when pressure mounts to an extent which starts threatening the elite class’s own intrests .Since army and there appionted politicians are the sole benefeciaries of current flawed system ,when the system wihich nurtures them is under threat they try to protect it by changing the players from the mainstream govt.

In current scenario this is the basically the part of minus 2 formulae

That would be idela situation. I don’t think they are going to make imran khan or aitzaz the president. it would be somebody who military establishmnet would trust. I do not expect this to happen in a country where we have leaders like Zardari and behind the scene generals who have conquered Pakistan because they are unable to conquer any thing else.

@Noreen Khalid
We can’t ban our masters because we worship our slavery.

We are not realizing something very important. An army chief has held a 3.5 hours meeting with the (illegal) president and that (illegal) president has decided to step down. What does that tell you? Parliament is not supreme, army is still supreme. So, effectively, we are still nowhere.

At least, the political leaders and PM should have been there in the meeting. Which democracy and powerful parliament we are talking about!!! In ecstasy we are forgetting the root cause of all the turmoil which has befallen us since last half century.

I see Zardari stepping into by gone Musharraf’s shoes in the near future. If PPP restores all the judges but not the chief justice, I think people would be charged and agitated even more against the govt than they had been against Musharraf. PPP’s policy is very clear on judges, the policy is “lamkaao” and lamkaao to the point where people no more aspire for chief justice’s restoration, make them heedless.

@Renaissance
An optimistic face of your comment could have been that “technically” only Kiyani could twist Musharraf’s arm and persuade him to step down at this crucial point of time when everybody feared that he would use 582B. Army was the only support to the dictator. Army is the Bad Medicine for Musharraf!!

Ideal situation for Musharraf: “Flee to Turkey and become a bar tender. Drink fast die young”.

@kakajatt
“Ideal situation for Musharraf:

hey come on guys.Ispr has said that this is routine stuff.Nobody has been replaced.Musharraf had a routine meeting with kiyani.i think the media ,as usual has blown this out of proportion.So much for our excitement.but i dont think musharraf is going anywhere.atleast for the time being

@imalik5525
Ohh!! he is a male stripper I have seen him dancing with his glass. Guess what?? right now he’s giving a lap dance to Kiyani to save his a$$ from hanging!!!
Waisay itna beghairat nahin hona chaiye kisi insaan ko ke uske liye koi achi baat na niklay, jab bhi niklay koi buri baat hi niklay.

@Jamsheed Khan….
Thanks for your thought provoking note urging reality check and caution against too much optimism.
So, why after knowing all that you have written, I will still support NS and Zardari over army?
Actually, the support is to democracy over dictatorship, to long term prosperous Pakistan over short term painful Pakistan.
How does that work out, you may ask?
It works, but works only, when you take a longer view of the things. Do not think of just now. Think of 25 years from now. It may seem long, but is not. Close your eyes and you will realise that if you think 9/11 (7 years ago); nuclear blas (10 years ago); Pkaistan’s world cup win (15 years ago); - all these things will seem as if they happened yersterday. Time flies.
So if you take a little longer view you will see that if we continue with democratic process - even with Mr. 10% or 20% - with every election we will get better and better leaders. People are wise. With every election they will throw out - not all the corrupt - but at-least the most corrupt and in time, we will end with an ‘acceptable’ level of corruption. Only God is perfect so we cannot expect completely pure leaders.
There was a comment of Chaudry Shujaat that I will never forget and it in a way capture the reason why democracy gives hope. When there was a talk of BB-Mush deal there was a discussion that this might mean PML(Q) and PPP getting close. Chaudry was asked about this posisbility and he said that this can never happen and then went on to give reason. He said, in our villages our supporter families do not even marry into PPP supporter families. What will we say to them if we make alliance with PPP.
This is it. A civilian leader of the most corrupt kind is ultimately accoutable. He has to has to go back to his people - even once in five years but he has to. There are therefore limits to his corruption.
A military leader - a dictator - in general has no such accountability. He therefore has no limits to his corruption. Only when things become extremely disastrous - like in 70’s breakup or today’s economic situation - that the dictator leaves.
In democracy you have a chance taht even the worst government can be changed in 5 years - but with a bad dictator (and they are usually bad) you are stuck for either as long as they live or until when they bring complete disastor.
Last point. In the UK people are fed up with the Labour (or the New Labour). The labour supporters are now talking about supporting the Conservative party in the next election. Why? because they want to teach Labout a lesson that their Blarite policies are not acceptable and if they want to win again taht will have to change them. That si how demicracy works. If Uk was under a dictator, people would not have this choice. they would still be suffering but without any hope that they can do anything about it. This is what dictators are good at doing - make people feel that pain and suuffering is their fate.
So, my friend, take a longer view of the things and you will see that there is a fundamental difference between civilains of any kind and military.
please write your response and we will continue to dialoge beacuse i think what you have expressed are the views of Pakaistan’s silent majority and it is important taht it is discussed.

Ibn Razi

@ kruman
” It is all in the hands of the people now. The time for the long march is today, not June12th. ”

compeletly agreed with you

” Loha garam hai ” this the right time to hit him

Dil main ik lahar c uthee hai abhie
koi taza hawa chali hai abhie

khool ankh zamee dekh falak dekh feeza dekh
mashriqu se ubharthe huwe suraj ko zara dekh

vary soon the Uniform of this ex- general will be selling in LANDA BAZAR

As always this is just geo kee “DO-NUMBERI”
Now all other channels for more than 2 hrs R flashing the denial of ISPR and Rashid Qureshi & geo is busy flashing Footers of totally forged news.
THis is what is called Yellow- Journalism!

The discussion here at times exceeds all levels of sense and sensibility.

Whatever Musharraf did was destructive and therefore no body doubts that he should be tried for his crimes against democracy, so that an example can be made out of him for the future generations.
BUT
blaming each and every problem on the land of Pak, on the Army is simply sweeping dust under the carpet…
more so like putting your head under the sand.

Can anybody explain is Pak Army responsible for the corruption committed by our ‘beloved’ Politcians, burecreats, lawyers and other society sections.

Forget who did more, the reality is our society stands today on the verge of dismal failure owing to our own failings as well.

We all cry for Justice ifitikhar who ofcourse deserves all our support,
but do we remember that while Mush asked iftikhar to resign,
some PM in 90’s did that with Justice Sajjad ali shah and consquently Supreme court was attacked…
Just coz we ver watching PTV n lacked political awareness, doesnt mean the crime was any lesser.

You all believe that the armed forces never did anything good for the country….
okay … but making a mockering of them like this in public serves the purpose of those sitting outside our borders…..
as whatever you say or believe in , the armed forces remain the symbol of our unit and strength.
They should stay out of politics, agreed… but need our support also as except some greedy Gernals in GHQ, there are alot of sane voices and brilliant minds guarding the borders of this country.

and please dont say, they never sacrifised anything …
as we’ve lost thousands of soldiers in needless conflicts and border patrolling and sucide bombings …..and what about the relief programs in times of earthquake and floods, Who were those soliders burrying dead bodies and pulling people out of debris ….pls remember they didnt go to their homes while we celeberated Eids in our drawing rooms…
Do we remember the dozens that died in plane crashes while picking up people from remote places….

thats their contribution to this land,
while whats our contribution… just sitting here , calling everybody names and thinking we are patriotic…

So lets be practical here….
we all agree that…

Armed forces have got nothing to do with politics, they better stay out cause of the humilation they’ve suffered in public’s mind.

Musharraf should be tried for treason and for the responsbility of kargil and red mosque kilings.

Judiciary should be restored so that the blance of power doesnt just rest on the heads of politicians and army but somewhere else too.

the army budget should be presented in national assembly and Pakistan Miltary academy cirruculum should be reviewed so that the future officers understand the importance of democracy within a society.

However bad our politicians are…..
Lets try them for some decades, hopefully people will stamp out the zardaris and chudray’s and we can get some mature respectable people in our assemblies one day.
At the same time, lets remember the hundreds and thousands of selfless jawans and men of armed forces who are never a part of these coups and never get a dime from any unrest and operations conducted.

Lest not we forget.

@Kruman

Spot on. It is of utmost necessity to strike when the iron is hot, BUT we should carefully ensure that everybody is put in their right element. No more interference from any wannabe dictator. The GHQ need to know and act as the servants of the people, and the politicians should as well know that they should act as the servants of ALL the Pakistanis (not only their own jiyalas), and off course we need to build every institution in to strong and trustworthy institution. Let’s start with the judiciary!

/Saqib

http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=14988

It is a happy and a sad moment - happy because after all these years Musharraf is finally being shown the door and sad because he had such a good opportunity to get his name written in the history of Pakistan with honour and dignity and he has lost it due to his arrogance, greed and lack of character.

I hope Allah gives sense to Zardari and NS also that they behave responsibly so that in future no one has to look towards army again to get rid of them.

It is not only army that is at fault - the politicians also invite them.

NS

1. fight with Chief Justice
2. fight with two Army Chiefs
3. fight with two Presidents
4. fight with BB and on both occasions led to dissolution of assembly

I hope now he has learnt his lesson and he would go slow and please please dont interefore in army and let the sleeping dogs lie as they say

sorry NS had fight with every Army Cheif - so that makes four of them

1. Asif Nawaz - died in mysterious circumstances
2. Kakar - showed him teh door
3. Karamat Jehangir - asked him to resign
4. Musharraf - tried to remove him but backfired

I would suggest the politicians that until they have they have a strong democratic system for some years please do not take panga with army and dont give them opportunity to interfere.

there were five army cheifs - I missed Gen Beg. Sorry about that

@c hussain

I hope now he has learnt his lesson and he would go slow and please please dont interefore in army and let the sleeping dogs lie as they say

What do you mean by interfering in army (affairs)?

In my opinion the generals are subordinates, and have to obey orders from the elected PM! They better learn it fast…very fast!

/Saqib

this is the news which bechain rooh ko qarar lai

read this with todays naji column in Jang and some others.. seem that game is over.

however the main question remains Mush impeachment who should be trialled for various issues…

my guess is that it will happen only when its army versus army otherwise his safe exit is evident despite very bold NS stand which also indicates some assurance from some segment of army no currently dominant

@c hussain

I would suggest the politicians that until they have they have a strong democratic system for some years please do not take panga with army and dont give them opportunity to interfere.

Then I am sure that after a few years they will ensure that the politicians “fail” and then the initiative is on their side and they will certainly not let an opportunity of making a “panga” with the civil rule go away. Look at the history of Pakistan!

Don’t wait…hit the iron while it is hot!

/Saqib

Senate chairman Muhammad Mian Soomroo, who is in London on private visit has been called back on immediate notice. Another indication that musharraf might leave within 24 hrs.

Kakajatt , Renaissance

its not technical rather stake holder ship. What you think that why retired generals and army personnel are behaving and asking for? remember their past and the fact that they have not yet asked pardon publicly, its only because to safe their interest which lies in building their trust and image again to safeguard their families for the future.

look recently what gen. tariq majeed said… no doubt he was the corp cmdr. and in charge of lal masjid operation. Just seeking to safe himself

all dominant forces of resisting change are just adjusting themselves to remain dominant in future, which if let go in hands of ordinary people will never give them any role ever.

@usmanzone on May 29th, 2008 8:07 am

Can anybody explain is Pak Army responsible for the corruption committed by our

Anti- democratic elements responsible for present situation: PM

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani has said that some politicians, bureaurocrats, judiciary members and retired army officers were responsible for the situation prevailing at the moment in Pakistan.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/

if Mush leaves within 24 hrs then probably he gets safe exit which he shouldn’t

Anyways as naji wrote that osama will be sufficient for him - let him go and live in fear

@all those who are optimistic
One of my Sraiki spaking friend keeps repeating a famous quote ” Gaay Gaay ki bahen hai ore Bhains Bhains ki bahen hai’
Obviously he says it in his sweet saraiki
but what it means in current situations is that Mush is one of THEM
THEY wouldnt let him down
NaPak army is a mafia and its not only Mush’s survival they are concerned about, its THEIR SURVIVAL
their housing schemes, them being immune from all accountability, their life styles, its about them
so they wont anything which could damage their future chances of having a fantastic life in a poor country like pak
regards

@ghoshi on May 29th, 2008 10:15 am

In fact I believe the GHQ is ready to make a single “sacrifice”. They are willing to make a tactical retreat combined with a “sacrifice” with the intent to fight another day. They have the intent to to be back after some years of maligning campaign of the elected “bloody” civilians. The usual suspects with the usual plan of oppression.

/Saqib

USA is also behaving like a smart cricket now and redy to ditch Musy. Musy are you really going? yeh khawab tau nahi hai?

I sincerely hope that this site does not become a Propaganda House for PMLN. There is no way that Mush could have done it. Reason: Simple: CZ the majority of Senior Officership in Military Does Not Want Any More Involvement in Politics….atleast for the time being.

Remember 17 August 1988, Aslam Baig Wanted to Take Over But the Military Brass Rejected It and hence he had no option but to install Gullam Ishaq Khan.

At the same time, Nawaz S also tried to install a total puppett Kashmiri Butt from EME and we know that Mush did the unthinkable and took over Reason: the military senior brass was against Nawaz Sharif’s stupid decison. In military the regular soldiers and officers think of EME and medical units as “non technical bunch of faggots AKA they dont even think them as soldiers” This is why Army Backfired as a TOTAL to Nawaz’s attempt to install a Engineer as Chif of Army Staff………… remember even Shahbaz Sharif and many senior PMLN leadership was against this at that time….

Now why Mush Kutta is still around. Simple Answer, CZ America still wants is and Zardari is playing softballs.

The day Amerika says “we r done” Mush will be history….

So plz no more baseless propaganda against our own military……against Mush and the corrupt Generals…. YES but not as a whole institute…..

i think it is time the people of pakistan get together and demand that the ARMY be dismantled . After all what good are they to the people of pakistan.? they have never been able to protect us from external enemies …look at bangla desh , kashmir and now afghanistan . All they have been good at is trampling under their boots the same poor masses of pakistan who pay from their blood their salaries.

This land and money grabbing mafia should be disbanded immidiately and all the money spent on their lavish upkeep should be spent on educating the poor people of pakistan so they can stand up for their rights.

@saqib
that is an acceptable theory
but sacrifying Mush could be a very bitter pill to swallow with huge symbolic defeat for them
so i just wonder if they will go for something maybe not that impotant e.g giving up Army house and/or 58 2B but Mush still reamians in office
something like that
coz as u know they dont need 58 2B anyway if they want to play their dirty game
they will do it anyway

what is this…it looks some hollywood movie.

Riddle

That is the point I am making. If NS had not unnecessarily interefered with Army in this tenure - I mean what was teh use of taking resignation from Gen Karamat when he was going to retire in two months in any case and why was Musharraf promoted over and above two officer.

Whenever any army chief is promoted over and above his seniors this happens - Bhutto superseded 7 generals to make Zia his chief and same with NS

while all those generals who were made army chief in their own turn and seniority never tried to subvert the constitution

One of the guys above says pakistan army is subdorinate and servant - they are subdorniate to the people of Pakistan and but not personal servants of any politician.

The issue is very simple - treat them with respect and they would treat you with respect.

One very interesting article by Hamid Mir in Jang

http://www.jang.net/jm/5-29-2008/pic.asp?picname=05_10.gif

riddle:

the institutional support is fundamental to generals’ corruption so the blame comes to institute and not only generals. loyalty can be found at different levels with these generals. it does not matter who is more in number rather dominance is more important as you also mentioned

now don’t tell me that in the name of discipline…..

in fact every institute in Pakistan has reached to highest levels of moral and financial corruption and people of Pakistan make these institutes.

@Hussain
that is a rather simpistic approach i m afraid
though i do agree with you regarding promotion of Gen in the past
but this is not the only reason why they do what they do
there are other factors why they will always want an upper hand in Pak
trat themw ith respect or otherwise
the biggest prize is their business empire in pak
the whole instituite including their Jawans is so used to a special treatment that now they think its their right
they cant dream of giving up all the benifits they get , starting from not paying the tool tax and going upto corner plots, agricltural lands, seants for their misbehaving children in professional colleges etc
who will in his right mind like to let it all go and live like a bloody civilian?
so respect is not all they want !!!

and if i add to ‘respect’ theory then in NS words these generals don’t even want to salute PM…

“mamool”

what the heck is this mamool?

ispr: all arrangements, meeting, reshuffling are usual or mamool ka process

senate: chairman will return on friday after completing mamool ka dora as scheduled

probably Mush will leave as mamool ki karwai

@Ahmed Bhai

Generals, Politicians, judges, lawyers, students, businessmen and journalists ALL are reflections of our own society…….. we have corrupt generals and corrupt politicians ….. so does that mean that now we start saying things against every other institute……then we have to start saying that every house in Pakistan is corrupt…. cz these are representatives of Pakistani houses

The fact is that :

We have corrupt Politicians NOT corrupt Assembly
We have corrupt Generals NOT corrupt Army
We have corrupt journalists NOT corrupt Media
We have corrupt judges and lawyers but NOT corrupt Judiciary

Reason: U cant blame the act of few on the whole institute cz it will be unfair to the good people in these institutes.

I dont know if ZA Bhutto said it or not but people blame him of saying something to the effect that a big defeat was necessary in order to teach this army a good lesson
people realte it to 1971 and then try to blame ZA Bhutto for the whole incident
it does, however, makes me wonder sometimes that is is it in fact the right recipe to get rid of these Bas***ds
Humiliate them so that they are unable to put on their uniform and walk like Gods on the streets?
maybe it is the right solution
in some areas it is happening alreday
I happen to have a cousin who whenever visits his native village he tells fellow pessengers that he works for a pharmaceutical company and is travelling to sell tables
lol
gone are the day when they were so proud

THIS WAS MY COMMENT on : May 18th, 2008 7:02 pm

“Well I think or should I say I pretty much believe that Mush is definately going to quit anytime soon. What will he do after that ???God Knows!

But this time he is definately leave and I believe his actions will be in someway indemnified, or in other words he will not be held accountable for any of his pestiferous actions.((HE WILL BE GIVEN A SAFE EXIT!!!))

Sheeda Tulli the

To All Those Who Are Asking for Mush’s Public Triall:

Remember if Mush Kutta Flees the Country Than It Will Be Due to Your Devta Politicians Like Asif Zardari, Nawaz Sharif and Asfand Yar Wali as they are the people who are in Power Now…………………………

really ……..!!! LOL they themselves are just Amerika’s Puppett

BTW AAJ TV was took off air when Mushtaq Minhas started discussing 111 and

Nawaz Sharif requesting Altaf Kalia AKA MQM’s support for impeachment:
http://www.paktribune.com/news/index.shtml?201055

wah ray Pakistani Kaum !

Musharraf’s spokesman, army douse resignation rumour

Musharraf’s spokesman, army douse resignation rumour
Thu May 29, 2008 12:48pm IST
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - The Pakistani army and President Pervez Musharraf’s spokesman moved to dampen speculation on Thursday that the beleaguered president was about to quit.

Rumours that Musharraf was close to resigning were one of the reasons for precipitous falls on the Karachi stock market on Wednesday and Thursday.

A front page story in the News newspaper on Thursday focussed on a late-night meeting between the army chief, General Ashfaq Kayani, and Musharraf, fanning the speculation.

The military issued a statement saying Kayani “regretted that a section of press is trying to unnecessarily sensationalise routine functional matters”.

A spokesman for Musharraf rebutted the newspaper article’s assertion that Musharraf had agreed to leave his official residence in Rawalpindi.

http://in.reuters.com/article/southAsiaNews/idINIndia-33814820080529

Riddle 792

True, thats why I said not number but dominance. However I think that institutes’s image is reflected by its dominant regime.

Mush on the way out with disgrace and possible punishment for his crimes

Thursday, May 29, 2008 - 05:36 AM EST
“I forgive Musharraf for all he did to me, my family and my old father. I forgive him for arresting, chaining me for seven hours in an aircraft and keeping me in a dungeon for 14 months, but the nation can’t spare a person who sold his innocent countrymen to foreign powers in exchange of dollars, killed innocent children in the Lal Masjid operation and damaged the future of the country’s youth,” said an emotionally-charged Nawaz

http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/index.php
Many of us might be thinking that minds of the neo-fascists behind Mush woiuld be busy planning to save their puppet from the well-deserving punishment. However, it seems this is not the case. When a slave finishes his job, think about Saddam, the neo-fascists love to see him gone forever so that there is no opportunity for him to spill the beans and implicate them in his crimes against the humanity.

Somoro is asked to return country.

http://daily.urdupoint.com/Live-News.php?news_id=66461&featured=1&cat_id=2

I am watching all four channels GEO, AAJ, Express, Dawn and for some strange reason only AAJ is doing the “non stop” transmission on 111 issue.

hmmmmm watch if AAJ gets any big favor from Punjab Govt in coming days…

heeheehee !

@c hussain on May 29th, 2008 10:59 am

“One of the guys above says pakistan army is subdorinate and servant - they are subdorniate to the people of Pakistan and but not personal servants of any politician”

In fact I am the guy you are referring to

Look, I am not in favor of humiliating anybody. We have to ensure that everybody works within the limits of the law of the land - no matter who you are - be it Mush. Kiyani, NS, AZ or IK etc., you must obey the law! If our leaders don’t obey the law, then who will do that? If somebody acts foolishly then put forward your case in a civilised way.

A military coup is NEVER the solution!

/Saqib

I wish the soormas of 111 brigade could enter the house of musharraf the same way they enter parliment and PTV. I hope the news are true.
It does make sense in saying that musharraf might go. the only reason he is in power is because of US and recent statements from americans show a deviation away from musharraf. So I guess moment of truth coming for Mushi bai.

I can see something else coming.

Saiin Zardari: BB ki shahadat—Palty ki Qurbanian
mushrraf ne wardi hamarai qurbanion ki waja se utaari
mulk main jamhooriat hamari waja se aai
Lawyers ki tehreek ham nay chalai
sab se ziada danday ham nay khaey
Ab musharraf bhi hamari waja se ja raha hay
BB ki shahadat—Palty ki Qurbanian

These are just rumors. Mush is not going anywhere until he gets indemnity from Zardari in exchange for NRO.

Moshe! Moshe! Moshe! tch tch tch!

I think the only real news is that the 111 brigade commander has been replaced. The rest is just rumour mongering. It is okay when the rumour mill is against the dictator, but what happens when the rumour mill turns its guns towards the elected govt? (which hasn’t done any debates on any issues so far BTW).

I don’t think he should be allowed to run. He should be tried for treason that he committed. His accomplices in the Karachi corps cmdr. should be tried. His civilian accomplices should be tried! IMC the ACTUAL chief justice of Pakistan restored! Dogger and his dogs all arrested and tried!

NO SAFE EXITS FOR TRAITORS!!!
NO SAFE EXITS FOR FOREIGN LACKEYS!!!

The “kleptablishment” ,like the reptilian lizards that they are, will break off their tail to distract the cat till they run away.

But will the cat buy this shtick ?

This can cut both ways. The new triple one boss might be used to pack up Mush or pack up the new government — there is no way of knowing for sure.

Consider the ethnic angle:

Asim Bajwa a Punjabi Jatt getting replaced by Fahim Rao a Mohajir Rajput…. I’ll give you three guesses who is the Mush loyalist.

Of course the standard disclaimer being that our mercenary na-pak fauj is most loyal to their goal of looting-maaring Pakistan

Don

oops.. correction

I was never for one minute mistaken that this Moshe was not an agent and Pakistan was not awaiting troublesome times right from the outset.

ziada khush na ho, kuch nahin hoa, look at the whining face of PM, it looks he is always crying and afraid of the president and zardari. Nothing is going to happen, even PPPP is trying to destabilize the lawyers movement, Zardari is the most politicians of Pakistan, look how he is trying to gather the corrupts around him, like watta/tatta. Pakistanis should shun these politicians and think of getting the new one. The change of the brigade commander is the routine matter. Look for change, why army should be given the importance.

Mush leaving will reinstate CJ Chaudhary or Zardari will still play his old dirty tricks. Inshallah lawyer movement will thawrt his attempts.

I never liked a military rulers myself but why only Musharaf is targeted for his part in military rule, no one talks about Ayub khan Yahaya khan and Zia-ul-haq for their military rule. I smell an odor of racism, his name does not include Choudhry, malik or mian. Musharaf is blamed for every thing, at least he held fair elections and there is no evidence of monetary corruption against him.. Every other politician wants to prosecute President Musharaf for violating article six. They must have short memories, if Musharaf violated article six then Mr. Nawaz Sharif violated article six at least twice. He went to Ghulam Ishaq Khan then President of Pakistan and persuaded him to dismiss the elected government of Benazir Bhutto and he succeeded, he tried to be declare himself Ameer-ul-momineen for life and violated article six. Most of all Nawaz Sharif is guilty of mutiny for refusing to accept present Supreme Court of Pakistan and exciting the public to do the same. I do not see Musharaf leaving soon or ex C/J Iftikhar Choudhry ever coming back.

http://ale-xpressed.blogspot.com/2008/05/no-mercy.html

NO MERCY FOR THE BASTARD !!!

j.a.g

besides I think the main allegations are lal masjid and specially lal masjid, CJ case, missing person case to impeach him and execute him under article 6.

the racism you talked about is just a coincidence just like PM SA, Gov. Sindh, and many others happen to be from the same ‘race’ at the same time and common contributor to same problem…

@ j.a.g

O Yeah!!!!
thast very thought provoking
why only mush and nobody talking about the rest of them
hang on a minute
hmmmm, maybe they are all dead now?
and we should be talking bout the matters at hand instead of digging their graves and punishing their bones?

@TK

“don

We should not beat the drums, PPP has taken the role of protector of Moshe instead of 111 brigade. Both Sherry Rehman and YRG stated that “Fard-e-Wahid” can not do impeachment. We all know that “Fard-e-Wahid”= NS.

On that other hand PMLN has increased pressure tremendously after AZ NS meeting. I think PPP is using PMLN to put pressure on Moshe just to get its constitutional package approved by him. So I would say “Wait & See”

@Supporter: I think you forgot to put MQM in front of your nick this time?

have fun in black and white land! It is situated even further back from Jiyala Land in terms of reality.

People hold on to your horses. He aint goin no ware . Mushe will stay as the president as long as PPPP is in power.

@peja

looks like the optimist take on the crisis…was not that optimist after all.??

GUYS GUYS
Now that we are actually realistically talking about Musharraf ’s departure.. Who is gonna keep the politicians together !!!
They ll start fighting again like kutta -Billi
Moodykhan

@TK

Interesting Nazam by Habib Jalib

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPsr1RnEfWo

@Tk

MQM or not, don’t try to evade the question.

So you don’t have an answer. Don’t want any long philosophical answers. NS puts it black and white so we will follow NS. Dictator, his followers, and all the people who helped the dictator shoul dbe hanged, If the dictator is hanged then all the judges who helped the dictator should be hanged. Not a single one should be spared. Just like NS forgave Mushe for all the “bad” things he did to his family, AZ should also forgive the judges to what they did to him and his party. But what the judges did to this nation (prior to March 3, i guess) should not be forgiven; just like NS says.

I am now a NS follower and will do what he says, in black and white…..Come help me in helping NS get rid off the dictator and the people that gave the oxygen to the dictator to breath.

Mush should not allowed to leave. He should have a trial by the 3rd November Judiciary .
He should be an example for the future Army Generals to remain in barakes and not to occupie presidency.

I feeln pitty for Gen Rashid Qureshi

As long as the so called free speech supporter, principled admin reads my comments, even if she/he wants to sensor, that is fine…..

Not only mush but his Co. like Jahil Haramkhoor Tariq Aziz etc. should be punished.

@admin : censor. Didn’t pass college, that’s why i look at things in black & white, just like NS….

aoa

why would musharraf go now when he is in a much stronger position then a few months ago.

[...] mercy for the bastard ! Scenario : Army Chief General Kiyani has replaced the Commander of 111 Brigade, which is originally [...]

“kiyani had a 3 hour long meeting with mush today”

Saying “Up Yours!” certainly doesn’t take 3 hours. I think these are all just rumors. Mush is busy doing the tango with YRG at the presidency…

@ “Supporter” : I think they should also try and HANG your sundar sundar gay homosexual FAGGGOT leader : Altaf Kaalaa kaTTaa and all his frikkin fascist terrorist supporters.

MOSHE is FIKKED and so is Kaalik Maataa.

NS and Moshe are not the only people Zardari stabbed in the back. The biggest operation in sindh will be started by Zardari, and against Kaali Maattaa and his piThThoo’s.

Just wait till AAZ turns around and slaughter’s the kaalaa kaTTa for Qurbaani.

“I am now a NS follower…”

And my left NUT is the president of the United “iShtaate” (true story)

“President says no differences with COAS”

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=46481

Bad story by jang…we should try our best not to tie these types of changes with politics because it sends a signal to the army that they are a significant player in our politics…..we (including media) need to change our culture…in a democratic society it is not important who is the brig. of 111 birgade….it is time to move on from these types of things………..media should downplay these types of things…..change of command of 111 birgade should not matter in a democratic society…we need to change the focus of discussion/news as well if we want to be truly democratic…….

General (retd) Aslam Baig (Former Don) reporting inside news from Army house that mad dictator is under protective custody by his own gang. He (mad dictator) is being removed from army house and will be shifted to president house in Islamabad , where he will be left at the mercy of hungry hounds aka bloody civilians.

@ TK
Hahahaha…buddy i am not sure how p*ssed you are at whoever, but i have learned some new curses on this forum that i can use elsewhere. Thanks.

You still didn’t answer my question; why shouldn’t the judges also share the blame for what happened during the 8 years. If they have all done their ‘tauba’, and going to jumma prayers, then Mushe will do the same when he gets off the high horse….It’s a simple matter of not everybody sharing the spoils of war and that’s what the fight is all about; there is no right or wrong here…democracy, rule of law blah blah blah…everybody seems to be doing fine in China; the only difference is that they are not South Asians…

Ch. Aitezaz running for elections, then backing out….soon he might become a senator…. Everybody is making money off of this thing including the Jang Group. GEO, The News and the gazillion newspapers that they own make the Jang Group owners part of the so called establishment. They are part of the now 50 (they say there were 30 in 90’s) richest families in Pak…..This media campaign is going to net the Jang Group a lot of mullah, which they need to make in order to compensate for the month long black out they faced…”long live free media” …….

@Paf123
Completely agree but lest you forget, the country is back in the hands of NS and AZ. Thugs of the highest order. Looters and plunderers of this country. The only thing NS has learned in his time in exile is how to speak a few better words in english and comb his hair. As for AZ, I myself saw him at ‘not to so famous’ nighclubs of NYC. He was enjoying life before and is enjoying it a little more now.

Giving amnesty to Musharraf is to completely wipe out the fundamentals of democracy. It will be a message to the masses that we have lived in injustice and message across the borders that we’re still a “dead nation”.

These chunks of filth like Zardari exemplify Nelson Mandela for his Truth & Reconciliation policy when th