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		<title>By: Nayyar Sohail</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/06/07/restoration-of-judges-article-270cc-found-and-busted/#comment-91368</link>
		<dc:creator>Nayyar Sohail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Justice denied anywhere diminishes justice everywhere.”</description>
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		<title>By: madeel</title>
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		<dc:creator>madeel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 11:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have found this on the PTI website.

&quot;Imran Khan will lead a big procession in Islamabad, Karachi Company on 13th to welcome Long March coming to Islamabad.&quot; 

says admin of PTI website. Imran will be back on June 10.

http://www.insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/29348/Default.aspx#29348</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have found this on the PTI website.</p>
<p>&#8220;Imran Khan will lead a big procession in Islamabad, Karachi Company on 13th to welcome Long March coming to Islamabad.&#8221; </p>
<p>says admin of PTI website. Imran will be back on June 10.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/29348/Default.aspx#29348" rel="nofollow">http://www.insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/tpage/1/view/topic/postid/29348/Default.aspx#29348</a></p>
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		<title>By: aahmad</title>
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		<dc:creator>aahmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 20:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zardari, Naik, Babar Awan, Latif Khoos are the faces of Munafiqs.
Nawaz Sharif needs to come out clean on why he is not part of &#039;Long March&#039;?

Day by day now - people are going to have doubts on NS&#039;s credibility. I think this is all noora kushti on his behalf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zardari, Naik, Babar Awan, Latif Khoos are the faces of Munafiqs.<br />
Nawaz Sharif needs to come out clean on why he is not part of &#8216;Long March&#8217;?</p>
<p>Day by day now &#8211; people are going to have doubts on NS&#8217;s credibility. I think this is all noora kushti on his behalf.</p>
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		<title>By: khuldun</title>
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		<dc:creator>khuldun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 16:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ saqib

I think PPP was one of those parties would distributed sweets when NS government was overthrown in 1999 and Mush took over.

They have the ministers who term Mush as a national asset!

They have the highest number of persons who have been charged of corruption.

Salman Taseer is just one *^&amp;%&amp;#$$@

PPP never had a clean sheet, they came with America&#039;s support, they had a deal, NRO.... what makes them clean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ saqib</p>
<p>I think PPP was one of those parties would distributed sweets when NS government was overthrown in 1999 and Mush took over.</p>
<p>They have the ministers who term Mush as a national asset!</p>
<p>They have the highest number of persons who have been charged of corruption.</p>
<p>Salman Taseer is just one *^&amp;%&amp;#$$@</p>
<p>PPP never had a clean sheet, they came with America&#8217;s support, they had a deal, NRO&#8230;. what makes them clean?</p>
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		<title>By: Gul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 06:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@saqib

I totally agree with Rasheed. In addition, you talk about the past and the present of different parties - which is justified - but you shut your eyes tight to PPP&#039;s present. At least please don&#039;t exhort the rest of us to follow blindly the Pied Piper into the river! 

And ofcourse, decisions should be made in the parliament, but the protest needs to be done on the street, so that parliament knows we are watching and we care, and we will not let them ignore their responsibility - which is what the PPP is currently doing. 

 What is this scare mongering? That we should not remind the govt what we put them in office for other wise the army will take over? Peaceful protest on the street is the public&#039;s speech, its point of view, and it should NOT be equated to some form of naughtiness that will trigger a coup by the army to fix the naughty child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@saqib</p>
<p>I totally agree with Rasheed. In addition, you talk about the past and the present of different parties &#8211; which is justified &#8211; but you shut your eyes tight to PPP&#8217;s present. At least please don&#8217;t exhort the rest of us to follow blindly the Pied Piper into the river! </p>
<p>And ofcourse, decisions should be made in the parliament, but the protest needs to be done on the street, so that parliament knows we are watching and we care, and we will not let them ignore their responsibility &#8211; which is what the PPP is currently doing. </p>
<p> What is this scare mongering? That we should not remind the govt what we put them in office for other wise the army will take over? Peaceful protest on the street is the public&#8217;s speech, its point of view, and it should NOT be equated to some form of naughtiness that will trigger a coup by the army to fix the naughty child.</p>
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		<title>By: saqibtahir</title>
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		<dc:creator>saqibtahir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 02:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Rasheed,
In any democratic system, parliament represents the will of people. So it is supereme.

2002 Parliament was not a true reprasentative of people. ISI openly tempered the results in favour of pro-Mush groups including MMA. Despite all pre-poll and after-poll rigging, PPP emerged as largest party. You know how PPP was broken through Patriots. 

Despite all the short comings of 1985 and 2002 parliaments, their indemnity of dictators Zia and Mush is effective in the country and all including 2002 PCO judges accept those amendments as valid and justified.

Current parliament is not giving indemnity to any of Mush&#039;s unconstitutional acts. I hope so because there is no JI in the assembly. The proposed constitutional package only indemnify sme necessary stuff including elections that were held under PCO government. These proposals are open for discussions inside parliament. 1973 constitution was drafted in the same manner. If you know, the initial draft of 1973 constitution was of presential form. Shaheed Bhutto had enough strength in parliament to get that constitution unilaterly approved. But he decided to put that draft in front of all parties in parliament and after several months of intense negotians he agreed to change the constitutiuon to parliamentry form and incorporated almost all proposals frm opposition. That is how PPP worked. PPP even supported NS to undo Zia&#039;s 8th. amendment despite NS&#039;s severe victimization of party and its leadership.

PPP also wants to undo 17th. amendment that Q-league, MQM and MMA brought.  If MQM and JUI-F are ready to support to undo their wrongs of past, what is bad in that? Watto won elections as independent and now joined PPP. He did not contest elections on Q ticket. Salman Taseer used to be a PPP leader but right now he is representing Mush the defective president. 

The real issue of the country is restoration of the 1973 constitutions repatedly raped by dirt alliance of Generals-Judges-Mullas. Restoration judges apponted and fired by Mush is not the real issue. PPP an NS understand this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rasheed,<br />
In any democratic system, parliament represents the will of people. So it is supereme.</p>
<p>2002 Parliament was not a true reprasentative of people. ISI openly tempered the results in favour of pro-Mush groups including MMA. Despite all pre-poll and after-poll rigging, PPP emerged as largest party. You know how PPP was broken through Patriots. </p>
<p>Despite all the short comings of 1985 and 2002 parliaments, their indemnity of dictators Zia and Mush is effective in the country and all including 2002 PCO judges accept those amendments as valid and justified.</p>
<p>Current parliament is not giving indemnity to any of Mush&#8217;s unconstitutional acts. I hope so because there is no JI in the assembly. The proposed constitutional package only indemnify sme necessary stuff including elections that were held under PCO government. These proposals are open for discussions inside parliament. 1973 constitution was drafted in the same manner. If you know, the initial draft of 1973 constitution was of presential form. Shaheed Bhutto had enough strength in parliament to get that constitution unilaterly approved. But he decided to put that draft in front of all parties in parliament and after several months of intense negotians he agreed to change the constitutiuon to parliamentry form and incorporated almost all proposals frm opposition. That is how PPP worked. PPP even supported NS to undo Zia&#8217;s 8th. amendment despite NS&#8217;s severe victimization of party and its leadership.</p>
<p>PPP also wants to undo 17th. amendment that Q-league, MQM and MMA brought.  If MQM and JUI-F are ready to support to undo their wrongs of past, what is bad in that? Watto won elections as independent and now joined PPP. He did not contest elections on Q ticket. Salman Taseer used to be a PPP leader but right now he is representing Mush the defective president. </p>
<p>The real issue of the country is restoration of the 1973 constitutions repatedly raped by dirt alliance of Generals-Judges-Mullas. Restoration judges apponted and fired by Mush is not the real issue. PPP an NS understand this.</p>
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		<title>By: rasheed</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/06/07/restoration-of-judges-article-270cc-found-and-busted/#comment-90858</link>
		<dc:creator>rasheed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 22:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@saqib,

&quot;Solution lies with complete support to Parliament&quot;.

If this is the case, then why are you objecting when last parliament brought 17 amendment? That constitutional change also legalized the removal of Judges including Chief Justice Saeed uz Zaman Siddiqui and indemnifying Musharraf&#039;s 12th October actions either directly or indirectly.

If PPP did not support 17th amendment, then why you expect everyone support 18th amendment when we don&#039;t need any amendment before restoration of Judicary, as declared by all ex-Chief Justices of Pakistan?

MQM and JUI had full role in doing 17th amendment, then why PPP has partnered with them when PPP did not even need them? Even PMLQ leader like Watto and Musharraf&#039;s Salman Taseer have been rewarded by top positions in current setup by PPP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@saqib,</p>
<p>&#8220;Solution lies with complete support to Parliament&#8221;.</p>
<p>If this is the case, then why are you objecting when last parliament brought 17 amendment? That constitutional change also legalized the removal of Judges including Chief Justice Saeed uz Zaman Siddiqui and indemnifying Musharraf&#8217;s 12th October actions either directly or indirectly.</p>
<p>If PPP did not support 17th amendment, then why you expect everyone support 18th amendment when we don&#8217;t need any amendment before restoration of Judicary, as declared by all ex-Chief Justices of Pakistan?</p>
<p>MQM and JUI had full role in doing 17th amendment, then why PPP has partnered with them when PPP did not even need them? Even PMLQ leader like Watto and Musharraf&#8217;s Salman Taseer have been rewarded by top positions in current setup by PPP.</p>
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		<title>By: saqibtahir</title>
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		<dc:creator>saqibtahir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 18:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is pity that those who were part and parcel of Mush&#039;s illegal coup are presenting them as &#039;democrats&#039; and custodians of constitution. These people are part and p[arcel of all unconstitutional and illegal acts of ush since Oct 12, 1999:

1. IK &amp; Qazi duo: who wee part of conspiracies against NS government and who organized LONG MARCH and Tehrik-e-Nijat against NS in 1999 to pave way for military takeover. These people celebrated Oct 12 and supported Mush in referendum, 2002 elections and later indemnifying all his unconstitutional acts. These people also supported Mush to create NAB and impose BB-NS specific laws in the constitution. They shared power with Mush till fall 2007 and ruled two provinces. 

2. Judges: who took oath under PCO in 1999 and validated Mush Martial Law in Zafar Ali Shah case. In 8 year Mush rule their rulings supported all his illegal act and didn&#039;t took fresh oath under constitution after restoration of defaced constitution.

3. Generals Like JG Kiyani, Aslam Beg, Hameed Gul and many many more: They executed all illegal acts of Mush and previous dictators (Zia , Yahya). These criminals involved Army in politics and played all the dirty games against political leadership of the country. Now they are retired and instead of being ashamed of their acts they justify their own high-treason acts.

Today again they are conspiring against democratic forces and elected governments. They deserve to be punished under article six for being part and parcel of past coups.

Fourth category is people like Aitezaz and NS who have foot in two boats i.e. the boats of their past and present: 

a)	AA must get out of emotions and decide once for all if he wants to live under the banner of anti-democratic forces like Jamaat Islami and IK or follow the path of Bhutto? He should remember that Jamaat and NS party were part and parcel of Zia dictatorship when generals and judges were torturing and killing students, journalists, lawyers and political workers. Can he forget that Javed Hashmi and Professor Khurshid were in Zia’s Cabinet  when Bhutto was hanged by PIOUS judges and Generals. 
b)	We should also not forget what NS did with judiciary to get rid of CJ Sajjad Ali shah. I believe he has learned his lessons on Oct 12. He knows that Military Mulla Alliance ruled the country with help from judges. Can he trust JI and IK who stabbed on his back at his bad time and ditch PPP that helped him on principles despite all the bad things he did with it?

PPP’s past is clear. It never came in power from back doors. It never compromised on rule of law and constitution. It never became part of any unelected or establishment-manoeuvred set-up. Mush didn’t allow PPP to form government in 2002 despite clear mandate. That was the time when JI, Mullas and generals were cleaning Mush’s back. Zardari and YRG spent years in jail not because they did some thing wrong but for the sole reason they didn’t toe the line of dirty General-Judges alliance supported by MMA.

Current anti-PPP campaign by Mush allies of past (generals, judges, APDM) is doing no favour to democracy. Their so called movement is helping no one except Mush. They gave Mush an opportunity to get out of his hole and attack elected parliament and government. Mush’s statement today and rejoinder by PPP should be an eye opener for those who think JI and IK type rejected politicians are democrats. They are not. Their past speaks of itself. Today again they are helping ‘establishment’ for a new coup. 

Agitation never brought any change in dictatorships sponsored by Uncle Sam. NS knows that. This is the reason SS announced to keep ‘official relationship’ with Mush and also with PCO judges. Isn’t this the same stance for which PPP is being bashed around by media? 

Do we have any lesson from current situation of Bangladesh? We can get the same results in Pakistan by same behaviour. Agitation will bring a fresh GENERAL supported by FRESH Judges to kick around ‘corrupt politicians’ another time. This time not only Zardari 

So what is the solution? 

Solution lies with complete support to parliament. Political decisions should be made in parliament not streets. An effort to dictate the parliament by street pressure with do nothing except giving the role of parliament to GHQ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is pity that those who were part and parcel of Mush&#8217;s illegal coup are presenting them as &#8216;democrats&#8217; and custodians of constitution. These people are part and p[arcel of all unconstitutional and illegal acts of ush since Oct 12, 1999:</p>
<p>1. IK &amp; Qazi duo: who wee part of conspiracies against NS government and who organized LONG MARCH and Tehrik-e-Nijat against NS in 1999 to pave way for military takeover. These people celebrated Oct 12 and supported Mush in referendum, 2002 elections and later indemnifying all his unconstitutional acts. These people also supported Mush to create NAB and impose BB-NS specific laws in the constitution. They shared power with Mush till fall 2007 and ruled two provinces. </p>
<p>2. Judges: who took oath under PCO in 1999 and validated Mush Martial Law in Zafar Ali Shah case. In 8 year Mush rule their rulings supported all his illegal act and didn&#8217;t took fresh oath under constitution after restoration of defaced constitution.</p>
<p>3. Generals Like JG Kiyani, Aslam Beg, Hameed Gul and many many more: They executed all illegal acts of Mush and previous dictators (Zia , Yahya). These criminals involved Army in politics and played all the dirty games against political leadership of the country. Now they are retired and instead of being ashamed of their acts they justify their own high-treason acts.</p>
<p>Today again they are conspiring against democratic forces and elected governments. They deserve to be punished under article six for being part and parcel of past coups.</p>
<p>Fourth category is people like Aitezaz and NS who have foot in two boats i.e. the boats of their past and present: </p>
<p>a)	AA must get out of emotions and decide once for all if he wants to live under the banner of anti-democratic forces like Jamaat Islami and IK or follow the path of Bhutto? He should remember that Jamaat and NS party were part and parcel of Zia dictatorship when generals and judges were torturing and killing students, journalists, lawyers and political workers. Can he forget that Javed Hashmi and Professor Khurshid were in Zia’s Cabinet  when Bhutto was hanged by PIOUS judges and Generals.<br />
b)	We should also not forget what NS did with judiciary to get rid of CJ Sajjad Ali shah. I believe he has learned his lessons on Oct 12. He knows that Military Mulla Alliance ruled the country with help from judges. Can he trust JI and IK who stabbed on his back at his bad time and ditch PPP that helped him on principles despite all the bad things he did with it?</p>
<p>PPP’s past is clear. It never came in power from back doors. It never compromised on rule of law and constitution. It never became part of any unelected or establishment-manoeuvred set-up. Mush didn’t allow PPP to form government in 2002 despite clear mandate. That was the time when JI, Mullas and generals were cleaning Mush’s back. Zardari and YRG spent years in jail not because they did some thing wrong but for the sole reason they didn’t toe the line of dirty General-Judges alliance supported by MMA.</p>
<p>Current anti-PPP campaign by Mush allies of past (generals, judges, APDM) is doing no favour to democracy. Their so called movement is helping no one except Mush. They gave Mush an opportunity to get out of his hole and attack elected parliament and government. Mush’s statement today and rejoinder by PPP should be an eye opener for those who think JI and IK type rejected politicians are democrats. They are not. Their past speaks of itself. Today again they are helping ‘establishment’ for a new coup. </p>
<p>Agitation never brought any change in dictatorships sponsored by Uncle Sam. NS knows that. This is the reason SS announced to keep ‘official relationship’ with Mush and also with PCO judges. Isn’t this the same stance for which PPP is being bashed around by media? </p>
<p>Do we have any lesson from current situation of Bangladesh? We can get the same results in Pakistan by same behaviour. Agitation will bring a fresh GENERAL supported by FRESH Judges to kick around ‘corrupt politicians’ another time. This time not only Zardari </p>
<p>So what is the solution? </p>
<p>Solution lies with complete support to parliament. Political decisions should be made in parliament not streets. An effort to dictate the parliament by street pressure with do nothing except giving the role of parliament to GHQ.</p>
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		<title>By: TK</title>
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		<dc:creator>TK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@peja: oh brother!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@peja: oh brother!</p>
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		<title>By: pejamistri</title>
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		<dc:creator>pejamistri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the new article.
http://pejamistri.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/mystery-of-270aaa-the-curse-of-dictators/

@TK
Mystery solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the new article.<br />
<a href="http://pejamistri.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/mystery-of-270aaa-the-curse-of-dictators/" rel="nofollow">http://pejamistri.wordpress.com/2008/06/07/mystery-of-270aaa-the-curse-of-dictators/</a></p>
<p>@TK<br />
Mystery solved.</p>
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