the cj speech is about to start…long live peja..long live the democratic forces’s long march against faujistan!!

significant less number of ppl in lahore high court as compared to last year.. hmmm …

@peja
geo finally covering it live….reporting that PPP is conspicuously absent! what gives?

Barhay chalo (keep on moving) for the independence of judiciary. Look what happened in the bajaur agency, is the judiciary independent now. We as a whole nation are slaves of our leaders, military bureaucrats and civil bureaucrats and the outside powers. Please, please the whole nation should take part in this movement for the restoration of judges, but I would rather say for the independence of the country. Bachao, Bachao is mulke Quaid-E-Azam (Pakistan) Ko, nahin toh is tarah pooray Pakistan main bahir wallay aa kar maran karian gain jaisa kay Bajaur Agency main hua.

what a splendid sight!! wish i was home!!

Lawyer leader Manzoor Qadir on fire…….

Aisay DasToor ko, subhe BayNoor ko
SHARFOO MARDOOD ko….

mein nahen maanta , mein nahen maanta

If you want to live as an independent nation, rise to the occasion now, otherwise it will be too late, look at the whining face of our present PM Gilani- Saying we condemn this attack and those men in uniform of our country no word from them- why we should pay them from our budget- if they don’t want to defend the country. Long live the lawyers movement. Long line the long march of Pakistan. Pakistan Zindabad. May Allah protect us from foreign aggression.

“Hum Mulk Bachanay Niklay Hain—Aoo Hamaray Sath Chaloo”

Qadam Barrhaoo Sathio…..
Tum Watan kay shaer hoo
shaer hoo Dalaer…..
Tum agar joo phut paroo
Too asman bhee zaer hoo
Qadam Barhaooo

naam na lo un ZARDARO ka…apni baat karo!!

wah!!

I wish I were in Pakistan, I would definitely have participated in this long march. Those who are watching this live, and those who are in pakistan participating in it, please give us your views on it. I am really missing being back home right now

@participants (and admin)

Please do share the photos or videos of the long march.

at the convention: ‘musharaff ka jo hami hai….har..ami hai…har_ami hai!!

lol!!

Can we expect someone to put up some videos of speeches etc.?

Mehmood Qureshi , president Karachi bar Association addressing at the moment and crowd is cheering up…..

Musharraf ko Phaansi do !!! Phaaansi do!!!!!

musharraf ka joo hami hay
ha**mi hay ha**mi hay

manzoor qadir said they will march through pindi cantt, geo is trying to sensor though.

Barhay chalo (keep on moving) for the independence of judiciary. Look what happened in the bajaur agency, is the judiciary independent now. We as a whole nation are slaves of our leaders, military bureaucrats and civil bureaucrats and the outside powers. Please, please the whole nation should take part in this movement for the restoration of judges, but I would rather say for the independence of the country. Bachao, Bachao is mulke Quaid-E-Azam (Pakistan) Ko, nahin toh is tarah pooray Pakistan main bahir wallay aa kar maran karian gain jaisa kay Bajaur Agency main hua. If you want to live as an independent nation, rise to the occasion now, otherwise it will be too late, look at the whining face of our present PM Gilani- Saying we condemn this attack and those men in uniform of our country no word from them- why we should pay them from our budget- if they don

This entire ‘Khusi’ PPP sits on the sidelines, defending NRO.
In this heat and suffering for what ?
. the Lawyers march.. the lawyers march..
it is really heart breaking…
i believe it is better to be dead than a nation run by cowards and manipulators..
How many more lawyers are going to suffer now?

the entire khusi PPP…sigh…a sad day indeed…but today i agree with you.
(still..if i may slide in meekly..the name of AA)

It is heartening to see the tempo building up for the long march , no one knows what is going to happen tomorrow , but one thing is for sure that they will destory everything that come in their way … face of Pakistan is going to change forever ….

Subha hoonay ko hay aye dil-e-betab thehar.

rasheed rizvi: yeh containers hum karachi walon nay dhekay huay hain!!!

peja…aap kay moo mein ghee shakar!!!

Inshallah if CJ is restored (and he will one day) the first case he is going to look after is about NRO…Shaheed Mohtaram, Shahidoon Ki Paty……..

fajar ki azan….munir pauses …tommorow has come…and today is stil to end!!

Honorable Justice Khwaja Sharif is building the tempo ….. he is criticizing AZ too..
jagtay rehna saaday tey na rahna …
Asif Zardari tey na rehna .. wakeeloon nay hee bahal karna hai

dekho dekho koon aaya
sher aaya sher aaya
… enter Lion of Pakistan Ali Ahmed Kurd … I hope he is saved his best for today….

sher aaya!!! sher aaya!!

Ali Ahmed Kurd kee awaz sun kar jurnailoon kay dil kaanp uthtay hain… this is soo great to see him and even more to hear him roaring……..

DEKHO DEKHO KOON AAYA
SHER AAYA SHER AAYA

@Everyone,

We have video recordings for all days and will be uploaded within next few hours.

Admin

at 5:30 am….ali kurd joins the convention!!

aaj ka sultan salahudin ayubi..ali ahmed KURD!!!!

Ali Ahmed Kurd speech started..

yeh kis sher kee aamed hay kay run kaanp raha hay………..
aagya cha gaya …
yeh lahore hai , yeh lahore hai …
hazaroon meel bhi chalna paray tu … aaj subha lahore punchna farz hai
aur 60 saal say is farz ko ada karnay kee khawahish humaray aab-o-ajdad ..

kalay aur safai ka
sahih aur ghalt ka
haq aur batil ka
faisla hoo

Hallo guga !

come on wake up tie-up your shoe-laces—————and let’s go
the desicivie moment of truth is there let’s go to participate in the
long march

Good running comentry–@Mistri sahib, keep doing it.

the white mane…the roar…..podium shakes…zardari be afraid…be very afraid!!

aaj hay koi jo is long march ko rook sakay…

sharfoo ku phansi doo..

us shakhs nay khudai ka dawaa kia tha..
laikin ooper khuda neechay awam

muk gaya tera show musharraf
go musharraf go musharraf

woh bhee aik waqt tha jab uski mat mari gayee thee , jab 9 march ko us nay chief justice of Pakistan ko army camp mein bulaya tha…
usay maloom nahin tha kay us nay jis shakhs koo bulaya woh aik pahar hai , aur pahar ko kisi ka baap bhee nahin hila sakta……..

kurd is gonna break the sound system very sooon….

GIO !

woh bhi ik waqt tha…jab us ki math mari gai thi…jab us nay pakistan kay chief jusctice ko army camp mein bulaya!!

woh badshah salamat ban kar baitha tha…usay maloom nahin tha..kay jis shaksh ko bulaya tha

(zardari..he may be talking about musharaf…but he means you!! ask not for whom the bells toll…..)

Pakistan ka aik aik shehri is say waqif hay kay pakistan kay wukla nay apnay pait per pathar bandh kar us tehreek to chalaya hai ju poori dunya mein aik unique tehreek … jo is say takray ga paash paash hoo jaye ga…

Hum pandrah (15) maheena aur bhee tehrik mazeed chala saktay hain..
magar yeh ab Pakistan kay awaam ka faisla hai
BUHAT HOO CHAKA …

Sharfoo kutta .. bay ghairat
PCO walay bay ghairat

jo hum( kurd) se takrai ga…pash pash ho jai ga!!!

cool ——

wow.. i’m missin it….

woh justice dogar …jo apnay aap ko justice kehta hai…….
woh perves musharaf..jo apnay aap ko …meray khayal mein hukmaran tho nahin kehta…per samajtha zaroor hai

magar aik aur hai…
*thats you zardaro!!

hum appna karza lainay jaa rahay hain..
us parliament mein joo joo shakhs kalf lagay suit pehany betha hai woh wukla ka karzdar hai..
assembly humari karzdar hai..
hum appna karza wapas lainay jaa rahay hain aur tub tak khatkhatatay rahian gay jab tak woh humara karz nahin wapas kar daitay…

ah…peja…is this not a great night for pakistan!!!

jab mast qalandar kee baat hai tu ab yeh pehlay wala pakistan nahin hai…

Wukla kee taraf say yeh ailaan hai .. hum bhee aadi hoo gaye .. humain bhee chaska par gaya hai … yeh sarkain humari jageer hain … jaha zulm hoo ga wukla phir waheen hoon gay..

@kafka8
well I was waiting for this night too much … I am most unfortunate not to be there in Pakistan … aah … I want to just reach there now…

Nawab Bugti jaisay aadmi ko Musharraf jaisay chotay aadmi nay maara..
yaan , mein kehta hoon, Qudrat nay bhi zulam kia…….
Mard ka muqabla to mard say hi hona chaeyay…

Kurd on fire…

Ali Ahmed Kurd chaa gaya … this was amazing …
Maidan loot liya

And now enters Aitzaz Ahsan ……. aagya woh jiska intezaar tha..

Kurd Speech over…….

next is speech of Aitzaz Ahsan

dunya ki tareeq gawah hai…

AA cometh!!

Aitzaz will just overcharge this already charged atmosphere .. he is the best in making people charged..

Tera baaz mera baaz
Aitzaz Aitzaaz

Ali Ahmed Kurd at his vertex
The wording of all speakers is giving a new energy and Hope to believe that INSHALLH the Lawyers will achvieve their Goals and All the Judges will be back in their offices.

Tera baaz mera baaz
Aitzaz Aitzaaz

meh…

AA equates this long march to that of the cultural revolution of chairman MAO..

LOADED!!!!

yaar kiyooN tarsaa rahay ho…. koie sanooN vi dikha dayo?!?

and now the FRENCH REVOLUTION…

musharaf kehta hai daal nahi milti tho mughi kalo…!!!

the chess pieces are being moved…a check mate is imminent!!.

musharaf kehta hai daal nahi milti tho murghi kalo

Aitezaz is also ripping them apart

@tk
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/mar2008-daily/18-03-2008/index.html

there is a link there…..for video on THIS page

The way all of the speakers are speaking is really showing me light at end of the tunnel. InshaAllah Pakistan would never be same from today. Lets hope that Judeciary will be restored and

we will not be called “AWAM” any more and we will be called “A NATION” again.

@dmin can remove it day after tomorrow …or after the ChANGE

Aitezaz is awesome today

HAhahhahahaah logoon ne Dogar ko gande andde mare Faisalabad main

AA cha gaya hai… the tempo of long march has now been set.. the history has been made … generations will remember June 12 morning, Pakistan has made its name in the history of the world and I am sure that this day and movement will be taught in world universities for the centuries to come…

is it working ??

Well there was lot of pessimism about this lawyer

http://www.pakistanvision.com/#

or check out stream 1..of express tv here….

@Peja

agree with you Peja Paa JIii

Great speech by Aitzaz, he is the leader of the revolution in Pakistan.

Today he is a far bigger man than AZ or even BB ever was.

it is bad that Musharraf has made his name too like French Queen, Namrood , and Firaoon (pharoah) .. by the way nobody remember French queen’s name , so people won’t remember his name too but they would remember there was a military dictator who said why don’t people eat chicken if lentils are expensive.

And now the Chief

chief speaks!

I was surprised by the tone of Justice Khwaja Sharif. No other judge ever spoke this openly and I really loved his lahori style

@peja

…AA’s kal aaj aur kal…??for aaj was the kal and the kal will be aaj….litereally!!

can we have the words..

@admin

It could be great if you could have this transmission live for every one so that so many Paksitanies who live abroad and do not have an acces to any of the channels could see history in the making as well.

Aitzaz is now Mao of Pakistan… I have no doubt he is going to get the nobel prize and will be considered no less than Lenin and Mao when the historians write history of Pakistan… He has proved that he has all the best qualities , intellect, wisdom, knowledge , leadership , philosopher and understanding people.. his speech was full of all these things … he himself knows what he has done to this nation.. and he is proud of that..
He was not wrong when he said that our grand children will tell their grand children how their grandpa’s took part in this long march…

@peja kafka8 @Kruman @janu germen @TK
I tkank you all of you for this running commentry–i am at my job where i am not able to view movie or tv.
Last year when CJ was there I was right in the front row in the High court parking lot. I was lucky enough to shake hand with CJ in front of Lower court at lower mall. I was on the road for 21 hours that day and beleive me i am just missing it. I wanted to be part of all that……

It took Chief 9 hours to get to Highcourt bar from Lahore airport which takes usualy 25 minutes. I am glad that finaly Punjabies stood up for the national cause

@chotibibi

glad to know the pleasure i was deriving from the event…the joy…was not mine alone.

this is the dawn of a new pakistan. Inshallah there’s no turning back from now.

Friends,

I never felt this much optimist about our future as a nation then before. Now I could say

The poem of Aitzaz should be recited by school children every morning after the national anthem.

Chief is asking not harm any one and do not riot during this movement

@chottibibi: hey I think I saw you on tv

@kafka8: thx for the link dude, I can see CJ now.. it’s hit or miss cuz I think too mny ppl hitting it right now.. thx though!

The picture of Dogar please that Aitzaz referred to.

He related an incident wherein DOGar was travelling in Faisalabad in a white car. The car was pelted with rotten eggs. Aitzaz siad that the picture of the car made it to the press. PLEASE POST THAT PICTURE HERE.

question?

in multan they were speaking behind bullet proof glass. i dont see any such arrangements here?, how come?

I wonder how much more people power this so called People’s party want to see before they will reinstate constitution of Pakistan which was created by Bhutto.

And i wonder if they even care about Bhutto any more since majorty of old peplias left party and what is left behinde is Zardari, Janhangeer Badar, Latif Khosa, Babar Awan, Fozia Wahab, man faced Farzana raja, Raja Parvaiz Ashraf and other cronies

@texasboy: BP glass is heavy.. and they got lazy … the BP glass is going to Islamabad I think (on a truck)

btw what was it that CJ said about my “multiples of 9″ conspiracy theory?

aitezaz for prime minister of pakistan!!

the united candidate for pml-n and now hopefully TAMED ppp…

Janu German,
OK, AZ is a thug and does not want IMC back. But I don’t know why the Khosas and Phosas in PPP hold a grudge against every upright judge in Pakistan. Yesterday on Talat Hussain, Khosa the phoosa was bashing justice Saeed uz Zaman Siddiqui. In the past I have heard them bash Wajihuddin Ahmed too.

The only judge they love is DOGar.

Our grandchildren are gonna read this thread and laugh at us.

HI GRAND KIDS!

Chief is so right about intepretation of these ppp cronies are giving about reinstatment process. Supreme Court is a forum where all constitutional issues are resolved and these cronies are telling these Supreme Court judges that how they could be reinstated

What a shame but i wonder if these sell offs have any shame

On the theme of Aitzaz’s speech, I think the following poem by Iqbal would’ve been pertinent: It would ‘ve sounded great in the thundering voice of Kurd.

Uttho meri dunia kay ghareebo’n ko jaga do
Kakh-i umra kay dar-o deewar hila do

@tk

lol…ur probably right…

@tk,

to the contrary, i dont think he meant it as a conspiracy theory, the chief justice in multan said that the “9″ was pretty lucky number for them, since a lot of incidents or events that have occured on the 9th of the month carry significant relevance to the sustenance of the movement.

The logic was fuzzy, but there is some intuitive ingenuity associated with the number 9.

A friend send me picture of PPP Minester’s office where Shaheed-Muhtarma ki photo was hanging up an above of Quaide-Azam-M. A. Jinnah…..Shame on this act of PZP.(some one said here Pakistan Zardari Party)

can any one have a guess how much people are today in Lahore gathering ..??

@ chottibibi

It chief 9 hours to get to highcourt bar from lahore airport which usualy takes about 25 minutes so you do the maths!!!

ooops I ment “it took chief”

@texaxboy: Oh I see.. it’s weird that he said that… I was calling my theory the conspiracy theory (that most of the heinous stuff seems to happen on the 9th of the month and I thought maybe it had something to do with 9 being moshe’s lucky number or something.. so he does this stuff on multiples of 9, be it firing the CJ or having BB off’ed or taking his vardi off…

I’m also wondering if the 1999 coup was also a Dramay Bazi by the US, the Jurnails and Moshe, and the operation prolly started on the 9th. Did he fly out to Sri Lanka on the 9th of october?

See, his coup was also a setup for NS. If NS had told him to just resign, he wouldn’t have had “causus belli” and I’m sure the Americans came up with this plan, in which on the one side, NS was convinced by someone (probably some retired MILitary guy) to fire him like this… while on the other hand, “the fix was in” and the army was ready to move as soon as the fake dramay bazi of the “ooooooh the plane’s running out of fuel OMIGOD!!!” started.

Just another conspiracy theory of mine.

@tk,

you do know that musharraf is on record in his autobiography, saying that as soon as he took over islamabad and reached chaklala on the evening of the 12th of october, he phoned the general in charge of CENTCOM (which is now in qatar), i dont know where it was then.

@TK…your conspiracy theory have some weight in it….you never know..

Aitzaz’s historic speech at LHC.

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/06/12/long-march-aitzaz-ahsan-speech-at-lhc-11-june-2008/

Yaar I hope a lot of people show up in ISB and the protest is peaceful n everything…

we’re entering the critical phase.

More videos added:

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/06/12/long-march-ali-ahmed-kurd-11-june-2008/

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/06/12/long-march-hamid-munir-justice-khawaja-11-june-2008/

khuda pakistan ka hami o nasir ho. i hope the people of pakistan realize the importance of this juncture and come out in droves.even if there are one lakh people in islamabad it would scare the crap out of ppp. it is the farz of every pakistani who wants rule of law in pakistan to be there and be counted………..and all of us who are abroad and cant be physically there lets all pray for the success of this march and that it happens with no violence..ameen

With the massive reception given to IMC in Lahore today, the tide has turned in favor of lawyers. Today’s reception in Lahore was like the May 5th, 2007 journey from ISB to Lahore. The May 5th March turned the tide last year and on May 7th Justice Sardar Raza Khan stopped the supreme judicial council hearing sending the case to the SC.

I don’t know what will happen in islamabad, but my gut feeling in that the tide has turned.

People will turn out for the march enmasse now. So far it was like a warmup from Karachi/Quetta to Lahore. The game starts today.

AA was brilliant yesterday…
I think the best part was when he made the lawyers and their looong march actually a strength of the parliament…
He said that people say that the Parliament is supreme…if it is, what is stopping it from restoring judges through executive order? …it is said that beacuse there will be a clash and that such an order cannot be implemented…AA brilliantly challenged the parliament to flex its muscle and that the lawyers will support it…they will provide the force required to implement its decision…

this is absolutely brilliant…in one stroke it removes the discourse that claims that the looong march is a clash with the parliament…this, in my opinion was the weakest link in the debate about the usefulness of the march….
by linking the march to the strengthening of the parliament, AA demolished that argument…
I hope that all lawyers pick this up and repeat it as often as possible…

also, I hope that today, there is at-least some ‘March’ of the foot with CJ in the lead…it is very essential…
ideally, I think they should repeat the GT Road experience last year…

(btw, I think AA is wrong in one thing…in saying that if Mao had access to modern means of transportation, he would have used it. I do not think so. Mao knew well the symbolic power of waliking among and through people….instead of justifying the mode of this looong march, I think they should learn from Mao and at-least for some distance do an old-fashioned march).

I also wish that the lawyers’ movement had brought out the Suo Moto cases raised by the CJ….
It is perhaps too late now…but they should have brought people …common people…who benefited from CJ’s quick dispension of justice on the stage to speak to the convention (instead of the almost similar speeches by the lawyers themselves)…

that would have been a way to challenge the perception spread by all anti-lawyers forces - from AZ to Sheik Rasheed - that justice is not the issue of ordinary people…

The more I think about it, the more I see the need for the lawyers’ to actually march/walk, the more I am convinced about it…

Perhaps they already have this plann…but if not, they should…and if there are people on this forum who can convey this suggestion to lawyers, please do so…

why it is important?

in political situations, symbols matter a lot…
that is why Ghandi walked to the sea, took broom in his hand…
that is why Mao marched…

you need to show that your cause is masses’s cause…connection with the people is the ultimate concern…
in today’s Pakistan, nothing can be more alienating for the poor than the sight of a caravan of cars/ buses passing by their villages and towns…

it raelly does not matter if they reach ISL tomorrow instead of today…but they must march…they must march at-least a significant part…
the cars and the busses can be there….but those who are able to walk must get off and walk…

but perhaps taht is what they plan to do anyways and I am just fretting about for nothing…:)

ibnrazi,
It’s an insane idea to march on foot. It will take a month to reach ISB, that is exactly what AZ wants i.e. more time. And how many people you think will march on foot, will you?

Those who don’t move with time, are left behind by time. Mao marched 60 years ago when Chinese did not have cars. Till 20 years back the Chinese were still riding bicysles.

(btw, I think AA is wrong in one thing

Muk gaya tera show musharraf
Go musharraf go musharraf

musharraf under the boots of lawyers..
http://www.urdupoint.com/home/Images/anti_mush/Mush-Adob1e1.jpg

@Kruman,

you reply to someone on the Internet and still say to him that he lives in another century…:)
there are some protest symbols that never die….
the symbolic power of marching on the foot is one of them….hunger strike is another…exile is yet another…

you have all the right to disagree…but please do so with reason and decency…
let us learn to listen, discuss and disagree….

if your argument will have force, it will prevail….

Ibnrazi

@Peja…

a serious question….
how many of the current PPP and PML (N) leaders (say those who are or were in ministries) come from underpriviliged background?
i did some search and could not find any…but it was not a thorough search so I am not sure…

Ibnrazi

@ibnrazi
I would think none , though I have not done any research… BTW why do you ask this question? Let me tell you that I don’t buy the arguments that revolve around such notions of who are the leaders , what is their background etc. etc.. these argument on the surface look very compelling however they are in reality shallow. Democracy evolves over a period of time and that evolution does not mean that people will bring the poor up as their leaders , none of the democracies I know boast about poor being the leaders and politicians as a matter of fact you might see in western democracies that the majority of parliamentarians coming from the upper class. The argument that there are people from lower/unprivileged classes too in those democracies and in Pakistan there are none is flawed as Pakistan is still a state where being poor means the person who struggles for his/her bread not for his/her rights.
I damn care whether these leaders belong to this class or that class , I care on which side of the tide they are , those who are against the tide will be crushed , those who are in the direction of tide will be filtered.

ibnrazi,
When I asked if you live in the last century, I didn’t mean it literally, but mentally. There are many people who are living in the last century, just look at the mullas who refuse to use loudspeakers. And then came your suggestion to march on foot …………. in today’s age.

I am sorry for coming on harshly, but your comments reminded me of mullas.
I do see that you did not come from that angle though, and even if you did you are entitled to your views and opinions.

@ibnrazi
In my youth , being a marxist , I used to think to be a bourgeois was a curse and to be Proletariat was a title. However later I changed my thinking .. perhaps I myself became a bourgeois , rememeber the good old joke.
So someone asked this communist , if you have two homes would you give the one to your brother , he said yes, and if you have two cars will you still give one to your brother , he said of course yes , and what if you have two coats , would you give one to your brother , and he said no , the person asked why no? he said well I have two coats

@kruman…
no need to apologies…glad we are fine…

@Peja…
let us discuss this…
though because I need to go in a few minutes, I will only write about what I agree with you …
what I do not agree, i will write in the evening…

I agree with you that there is no logical reason why poor should be led by poor…what counts is empathy and imagination…
Further, often the leaders that emerge from the poor or oppressed themselves become part of the oppressors (a great book exploring this is ‘Pedagogy of the Oppressed’)…
this much is given…

to be continued…:)

Anybody knows if NS addressed the long march in Lahore, I heard the news that people have started their journey towards Islamabad , but no news about the address of NS.
Anybody?

@peja,

Not yet started. Lots of people have gathered at Azaadi Chowk and Data Darbaar but address not started yet.

Video will be uploaded as soon as address is completed.

Admin

Nawaz Sharif arrives to address lawyers’ Long March
Updated at: 1915 PST, Thursday, June 12, 2008
LAHORE: The Head of Pakistan Muslim League (N), Mian Nawaz Sharif has joined the Long March of lawyers here. He will also address the participants of Long March.

today’s urdupoint main page is fantastic
http://www.urdupoint.com.

wow….brilliant stuff. Thanks for the running commentary peja, kafka etc. I am goign to watch the videos once I get home, bur some very stuf ther efor kurd, AA and chief. And I love some of the slogans, like:

Musharraf ka jo haami hai
ha’mi hai ha’mi hai

hahah……cool

Has Nawaz sharif’s speech started?