Day 4 - 12 June 2008
Videos:
- Gujranwala & Wazeerabad Video Updates
- Aitzaz and Kurd Speeches at Minaar-e-Pakistan
- Nawaz Sharif Speech at Lahore Minaar-e-Pakistan
- Ansar Abbasi, Saleem Bukhari and Ahsan Iqbal analyze Long March
Text Updates:
- Rally is currently at Gujrat and lawyers delivering speech in huge crowd
- 5 Kilometers long Rally leaves Lahore towards Islamabad through GT Road
- Nawaz Sharif and Lawyers deliver blasting speeches at Minaar-e-Pakistan
- Lawyers, Citizens, Students gather at Minaar-e-Pakistan and Daata Darbar. Aitzaz Ahsan and Nawaz Sharif are on their way to the avenue.
Day 3 - 11 June 2008
Videos:
- Historic Speech of Aitzaz Ahsan at LHC
- Hamid Khan, Munir Malik and Justice Khawaja Sharif
- Blasting Speech of Ali Ahmed Kurd at LHC
- Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry departs from Multan towards Lahore by Air.
- Lawyers of Sindh, Balouchistan joined by Punjab start rally from Multan to Lahore. The rally is led by Ali Ahmed Kurd and Javed Hashmi of PMLN.
- Chief Justice Arrives at Lahore Airport and greeted by Lawyers and Politicians.
- Chief Justice reaches Lahore High Court in 10 hours from the airport and gets a warm reception all over Lahore by Everyone!
- In the meanwhile, the Long March Rally has reached Okara on its way to Lahore.
- Speeches of Lawyers and Chief Justice at LHC.
Day 2 - 10 June 2008
- Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry leaves Islamabad to reach Multan via Lahore by Pakistan Internation Airlines.
- Sindh and Balochistan rallies move towards Multan.
- Chief Justice gets warm reception at Multan from politicians, citizens and lawyers. Makhdoom Javed Hashmi, Senior Vice President of PMLN greets him at Multan Airport at his home town.
- Chief Justice and prominent lawyers address the Multan Bar Council.
Day 1 - 9 June 2008
- Sindh Lawyers Rally, led by Munir Malik and Fakharuddin Ibrahim leaves Karachi towards Multan. Chief Justice Sindh High Court Sabihuddin was there to see off the historic rally.
- Baluchistan Lawyers Rally led by Ali Ahmad Kurd leaves Quetta towards Multan.
- Sindh and Baluchistan Rallies meet in Sakkhur and spend the night.
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June 11th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
the cj speech is about to start…long live peja..long live the democratic forces’s long march against faujistan!!
June 11th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
significant less number of ppl in lahore high court as compared to last year.. hmmm …
June 11th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
@peja
geo finally covering it live….reporting that PPP is conspicuously absent! what gives?
June 11th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
Barhay chalo (keep on moving) for the independence of judiciary. Look what happened in the bajaur agency, is the judiciary independent now. We as a whole nation are slaves of our leaders, military bureaucrats and civil bureaucrats and the outside powers. Please, please the whole nation should take part in this movement for the restoration of judges, but I would rather say for the independence of the country. Bachao, Bachao is mulke Quaid-E-Azam (Pakistan) Ko, nahin toh is tarah pooray Pakistan main bahir wallay aa kar maran karian gain jaisa kay Bajaur Agency main hua.
June 11th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
what a splendid sight!! wish i was home!!
June 11th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Lawyer leader Manzoor Qadir on fire…….
Aisay DasToor ko, subhe BayNoor ko
SHARFOO MARDOOD ko….
mein nahen maanta , mein nahen maanta
June 11th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
If you want to live as an independent nation, rise to the occasion now, otherwise it will be too late, look at the whining face of our present PM Gilani- Saying we condemn this attack and those men in uniform of our country no word from them- why we should pay them from our budget- if they don’t want to defend the country. Long live the lawyers movement. Long line the long march of Pakistan. Pakistan Zindabad. May Allah protect us from foreign aggression.
June 11th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
“Hum Mulk Bachanay Niklay Hain—Aoo Hamaray Sath Chaloo”
Qadam Barrhaoo Sathio…..
Tum Watan kay shaer hoo
shaer hoo Dalaer…..
Tum agar joo phut paroo
Too asman bhee zaer hoo
Qadam Barhaooo
June 11th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
naam na lo un ZARDARO ka…apni baat karo!!
wah!!
June 11th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
I wish I were in Pakistan, I would definitely have participated in this long march. Those who are watching this live, and those who are in pakistan participating in it, please give us your views on it. I am really missing being back home right now
June 11th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
@participants (and admin)
Please do share the photos or videos of the long march.
June 11th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
at the convention: ‘musharaff ka jo hami hai….har..ami hai…har_ami hai!!
lol!!
June 11th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Can we expect someone to put up some videos of speeches etc.?
June 11th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Mehmood Qureshi , president Karachi bar Association addressing at the moment and crowd is cheering up…..
Musharraf ko Phaansi do !!! Phaaansi do!!!!!
June 11th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
musharraf ka joo hami hay
ha**mi hay ha**mi hay
manzoor qadir said they will march through pindi cantt, geo is trying to sensor though.
June 11th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Barhay chalo (keep on moving) for the independence of judiciary. Look what happened in the bajaur agency, is the judiciary independent now. We as a whole nation are slaves of our leaders, military bureaucrats and civil bureaucrats and the outside powers. Please, please the whole nation should take part in this movement for the restoration of judges, but I would rather say for the independence of the country. Bachao, Bachao is mulke Quaid-E-Azam (Pakistan) Ko, nahin toh is tarah pooray Pakistan main bahir wallay aa kar maran karian gain jaisa kay Bajaur Agency main hua. If you want to live as an independent nation, rise to the occasion now, otherwise it will be too late, look at the whining face of our present PM Gilani- Saying we condemn this attack and those men in uniform of our country no word from them- why we should pay them from our budget- if they don
June 11th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
This entire ‘Khusi’ PPP sits on the sidelines, defending NRO.
In this heat and suffering for what ?
. the Lawyers march.. the lawyers march..
it is really heart breaking…
i believe it is better to be dead than a nation run by cowards and manipulators..
How many more lawyers are going to suffer now?
June 11th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
the entire khusi PPP…sigh…a sad day indeed…but today i agree with you.
(still..if i may slide in meekly..the name of AA)
June 11th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
It is heartening to see the tempo building up for the long march , no one knows what is going to happen tomorrow , but one thing is for sure that they will destory everything that come in their way … face of Pakistan is going to change forever ….
Subha hoonay ko hay aye dil-e-betab thehar.
June 11th, 2008 at 11:32 pm
rasheed rizvi: yeh containers hum karachi walon nay dhekay huay hain!!!
June 11th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
peja…aap kay moo mein ghee shakar!!!
June 11th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Inshallah if CJ is restored (and he will one day) the first case he is going to look after is about NRO…Shaheed Mohtaram, Shahidoon Ki Paty……..
June 12th, 2008 at 12:07 am
fajar ki azan….munir pauses …tommorow has come…and today is stil to end!!
June 12th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Honorable Justice Khwaja Sharif is building the tempo ….. he is criticizing AZ too..
jagtay rehna saaday tey na rahna …
Asif Zardari tey na rehna .. wakeeloon nay hee bahal karna hai
June 12th, 2008 at 12:25 am
dekho dekho koon aaya
sher aaya sher aaya
… enter Lion of Pakistan Ali Ahmed Kurd … I hope he is saved his best for today….
June 12th, 2008 at 12:26 am
sher aaya!!! sher aaya!!
June 12th, 2008 at 12:26 am
Ali Ahmed Kurd kee awaz sun kar jurnailoon kay dil kaanp uthtay hain… this is soo great to see him and even more to hear him roaring……..
DEKHO DEKHO KOON AAYA
SHER AAYA SHER AAYA
June 12th, 2008 at 12:31 am
@Everyone,
We have video recordings for all days and will be uploaded within next few hours.
Admin
June 12th, 2008 at 12:32 am
at 5:30 am….ali kurd joins the convention!!
June 12th, 2008 at 12:33 am
aaj ka sultan salahudin ayubi..ali ahmed KURD!!!!
June 12th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Ali Ahmed Kurd speech started..
June 12th, 2008 at 12:39 am
yeh kis sher kee aamed hay kay run kaanp raha hay………..
aagya cha gaya …
yeh lahore hai , yeh lahore hai …
hazaroon meel bhi chalna paray tu … aaj subha lahore punchna farz hai
aur 60 saal say is farz ko ada karnay kee khawahish humaray aab-o-ajdad ..
kalay aur safai ka
sahih aur ghalt ka
haq aur batil ka
faisla hoo
June 12th, 2008 at 12:40 am
Hallo guga !
come on wake up tie-up your shoe-laces—————and let’s go
the desicivie moment of truth is there let’s go to participate in the
long march
June 12th, 2008 at 12:41 am
Good running comentry–@Mistri sahib, keep doing it.
June 12th, 2008 at 12:42 am
the white mane…the roar…..podium shakes…zardari be afraid…be very afraid!!
June 12th, 2008 at 12:43 am
aaj hay koi jo is long march ko rook sakay…
sharfoo ku phansi doo..
us shakhs nay khudai ka dawaa kia tha..
laikin ooper khuda neechay awam
muk gaya tera show musharraf
go musharraf go musharraf
woh bhee aik waqt tha jab uski mat mari gayee thee , jab 9 march ko us nay chief justice of Pakistan ko army camp mein bulaya tha…
usay maloom nahin tha kay us nay jis shakhs koo bulaya woh aik pahar hai , aur pahar ko kisi ka baap bhee nahin hila sakta……..
June 12th, 2008 at 12:44 am
kurd is gonna break the sound system very sooon….
GIO !
June 12th, 2008 at 12:45 am
woh bhi ik waqt tha…jab us ki math mari gai thi…jab us nay pakistan kay chief jusctice ko army camp mein bulaya!!
woh badshah salamat ban kar baitha tha…usay maloom nahin tha..kay jis shaksh ko bulaya tha
(zardari..he may be talking about musharaf…but he means you!! ask not for whom the bells toll…..)
June 12th, 2008 at 12:47 am
Pakistan ka aik aik shehri is say waqif hay kay pakistan kay wukla nay apnay pait per pathar bandh kar us tehreek to chalaya hai ju poori dunya mein aik unique tehreek … jo is say takray ga paash paash hoo jaye ga…
Hum pandrah (15) maheena aur bhee tehrik mazeed chala saktay hain..
magar yeh ab Pakistan kay awaam ka faisla hai
BUHAT HOO CHAKA …
Sharfoo kutta .. bay ghairat
PCO walay bay ghairat
June 12th, 2008 at 12:48 am
jo hum( kurd) se takrai ga…pash pash ho jai ga!!!
June 12th, 2008 at 12:50 am
cool ——
June 12th, 2008 at 12:51 am
wow.. i’m missin it….
June 12th, 2008 at 12:52 am
woh justice dogar …jo apnay aap ko justice kehta hai…….
woh perves musharaf..jo apnay aap ko …meray khayal mein hukmaran tho nahin kehta…per samajtha zaroor hai
magar aik aur hai…
*thats you zardaro!!
June 12th, 2008 at 12:53 am
hum appna karza lainay jaa rahay hain..
us parliament mein joo joo shakhs kalf lagay suit pehany betha hai woh wukla ka karzdar hai..
assembly humari karzdar hai..
hum appna karza wapas lainay jaa rahay hain aur tub tak khatkhatatay rahian gay jab tak woh humara karz nahin wapas kar daitay…
June 12th, 2008 at 12:55 am
ah…peja…is this not a great night for pakistan!!!
June 12th, 2008 at 12:57 am
jab mast qalandar kee baat hai tu ab yeh pehlay wala pakistan nahin hai…
Wukla kee taraf say yeh ailaan hai .. hum bhee aadi hoo gaye .. humain bhee chaska par gaya hai … yeh sarkain humari jageer hain … jaha zulm hoo ga wukla phir waheen hoon gay..
June 12th, 2008 at 12:59 am
@kafka8
well I was waiting for this night too much … I am most unfortunate not to be there in Pakistan … aah … I want to just reach there now…
June 12th, 2008 at 1:00 am
Nawab Bugti jaisay aadmi ko Musharraf jaisay chotay aadmi nay maara..
yaan , mein kehta hoon, Qudrat nay bhi zulam kia…….
Mard ka muqabla to mard say hi hona chaeyay…
Kurd on fire…
June 12th, 2008 at 1:01 am
Ali Ahmed Kurd chaa gaya … this was amazing …
Maidan loot liya
June 12th, 2008 at 1:02 am
And now enters Aitzaz Ahsan ……. aagya woh jiska intezaar tha..
June 12th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Kurd Speech over…….
next is speech of Aitzaz Ahsan
June 12th, 2008 at 1:03 am
dunya ki tareeq gawah hai…
June 12th, 2008 at 1:03 am
AA cometh!!
June 12th, 2008 at 1:03 am
Aitzaz will just overcharge this already charged atmosphere .. he is the best in making people charged..
June 12th, 2008 at 1:04 am
Tera baaz mera baaz
Aitzaz Aitzaaz
June 12th, 2008 at 1:06 am
Ali Ahmed Kurd at his vertex
The wording of all speakers is giving a new energy and Hope to believe that INSHALLH the Lawyers will achvieve their Goals and All the Judges will be back in their offices.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Tera baaz mera baaz
Aitzaz Aitzaaz
June 12th, 2008 at 1:16 am
meh…
June 12th, 2008 at 1:16 am
AA equates this long march to that of the cultural revolution of chairman MAO..
LOADED!!!!
June 12th, 2008 at 1:19 am
yaar kiyooN tarsaa rahay ho…. koie sanooN vi dikha dayo?!?
June 12th, 2008 at 1:24 am
and now the FRENCH REVOLUTION…
musharaf kehta hai daal nahi milti tho mughi kalo…!!!
the chess pieces are being moved…a check mate is imminent!!.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:24 am
musharaf kehta hai daal nahi milti tho murghi kalo
June 12th, 2008 at 1:27 am
Aitezaz is also ripping them apart
June 12th, 2008 at 1:29 am
@tk
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/mar2008-daily/18-03-2008/index.html
June 12th, 2008 at 1:30 am
there is a link there…..for video on THIS page
June 12th, 2008 at 1:31 am
The way all of the speakers are speaking is really showing me light at end of the tunnel. InshaAllah Pakistan would never be same from today. Lets hope that Judeciary will be restored and
we will not be called “AWAM” any more and we will be called “A NATION” again.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:31 am
@dmin can remove it day after tomorrow …or after the ChANGE
June 12th, 2008 at 1:33 am
Aitezaz is awesome today
June 12th, 2008 at 1:34 am
HAhahhahahaah logoon ne Dogar ko gande andde mare Faisalabad main
June 12th, 2008 at 1:37 am
AA cha gaya hai… the tempo of long march has now been set.. the history has been made … generations will remember June 12 morning, Pakistan has made its name in the history of the world and I am sure that this day and movement will be taught in world universities for the centuries to come…
June 12th, 2008 at 1:38 am
is it working ??
June 12th, 2008 at 1:38 am
Well there was lot of pessimism about this lawyer
June 12th, 2008 at 1:39 am
http://www.pakistanvision.com/#
or check out stream 1..of express tv here….
June 12th, 2008 at 1:39 am
@Peja
agree with you Peja Paa JIii
June 12th, 2008 at 1:39 am
Great speech by Aitzaz, he is the leader of the revolution in Pakistan.
Today he is a far bigger man than AZ or even BB ever was.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:40 am
it is bad that Musharraf has made his name too like French Queen, Namrood , and Firaoon (pharoah) .. by the way nobody remember French queen’s name , so people won’t remember his name too but they would remember there was a military dictator who said why don’t people eat chicken if lentils are expensive.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:41 am
And now the Chief
June 12th, 2008 at 1:42 am
chief speaks!
June 12th, 2008 at 1:43 am
I was surprised by the tone of Justice Khwaja Sharif. No other judge ever spoke this openly and I really loved his lahori style
June 12th, 2008 at 1:45 am
@peja
…AA’s kal aaj aur kal…??for aaj was the kal and the kal will be aaj….litereally!!
can we have the words..
June 12th, 2008 at 1:48 am
@admin
It could be great if you could have this transmission live for every one so that so many Paksitanies who live abroad and do not have an acces to any of the channels could see history in the making as well.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:49 am
Aitzaz is now Mao of Pakistan… I have no doubt he is going to get the nobel prize and will be considered no less than Lenin and Mao when the historians write history of Pakistan… He has proved that he has all the best qualities , intellect, wisdom, knowledge , leadership , philosopher and understanding people.. his speech was full of all these things … he himself knows what he has done to this nation.. and he is proud of that..
He was not wrong when he said that our grand children will tell their grand children how their grandpa’s took part in this long march…
June 12th, 2008 at 1:52 am
@peja kafka8 @Kruman @janu germen @TK
I tkank you all of you for this running commentry–i am at my job where i am not able to view movie or tv.
Last year when CJ was there I was right in the front row in the High court parking lot. I was lucky enough to shake hand with CJ in front of Lower court at lower mall. I was on the road for 21 hours that day and beleive me i am just missing it. I wanted to be part of all that……
June 12th, 2008 at 1:55 am
It took Chief 9 hours to get to Highcourt bar from Lahore airport which takes usualy 25 minutes. I am glad that finaly Punjabies stood up for the national cause
June 12th, 2008 at 1:57 am
@chotibibi
glad to know the pleasure i was deriving from the event…the joy…was not mine alone.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:58 am
this is the dawn of a new pakistan. Inshallah there’s no turning back from now.
June 12th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Friends,
I never felt this much optimist about our future as a nation then before. Now I could say
June 12th, 2008 at 2:01 am
The poem of Aitzaz should be recited by school children every morning after the national anthem.
June 12th, 2008 at 2:02 am
Chief is asking not harm any one and do not riot during this movement
June 12th, 2008 at 2:06 am
@chottibibi: hey I think I saw you on tv
@kafka8: thx for the link dude, I can see CJ now.. it’s hit or miss cuz I think too mny ppl hitting it right now.. thx though!
June 12th, 2008 at 2:06 am
The picture of Dogar please that Aitzaz referred to.
He related an incident wherein DOGar was travelling in Faisalabad in a white car. The car was pelted with rotten eggs. Aitzaz siad that the picture of the car made it to the press. PLEASE POST THAT PICTURE HERE.
June 12th, 2008 at 2:07 am
question?
in multan they were speaking behind bullet proof glass. i dont see any such arrangements here?, how come?
June 12th, 2008 at 2:08 am
I wonder how much more people power this so called People’s party want to see before they will reinstate constitution of Pakistan which was created by Bhutto.
And i wonder if they even care about Bhutto any more since majorty of old peplias left party and what is left behinde is Zardari, Janhangeer Badar, Latif Khosa, Babar Awan, Fozia Wahab, man faced Farzana raja, Raja Parvaiz Ashraf and other cronies
June 12th, 2008 at 2:10 am
@texasboy: BP glass is heavy.. and they got lazy
… the BP glass is going to Islamabad I think (on a truck)
btw what was it that CJ said about my “multiples of 9″ conspiracy theory?
June 12th, 2008 at 2:11 am
aitezaz for prime minister of pakistan!!
the united candidate for pml-n and now hopefully TAMED ppp…
June 12th, 2008 at 2:12 am
Janu German,
OK, AZ is a thug and does not want IMC back. But I don’t know why the Khosas and Phosas in PPP hold a grudge against every upright judge in Pakistan. Yesterday on Talat Hussain, Khosa the phoosa was bashing justice Saeed uz Zaman Siddiqui. In the past I have heard them bash Wajihuddin Ahmed too.
The only judge they love is DOGar.
June 12th, 2008 at 2:12 am
Our grandchildren are gonna read this thread and laugh at us.
HI GRAND KIDS!
June 12th, 2008 at 2:13 am
Chief is so right about intepretation of these ppp cronies are giving about reinstatment process. Supreme Court is a forum where all constitutional issues are resolved and these cronies are telling these Supreme Court judges that how they could be reinstated
What a shame but i wonder if these sell offs have any shame
June 12th, 2008 at 2:14 am
On the theme of Aitzaz’s speech, I think the following poem by Iqbal would’ve been pertinent: It would ‘ve sounded great in the thundering voice of Kurd.
Uttho meri dunia kay ghareebo’n ko jaga do
Kakh-i umra kay dar-o deewar hila do
June 12th, 2008 at 2:16 am
@tk
lol…ur probably right…
June 12th, 2008 at 2:17 am
@tk,
to the contrary, i dont think he meant it as a conspiracy theory, the chief justice in multan said that the “9″ was pretty lucky number for them, since a lot of incidents or events that have occured on the 9th of the month carry significant relevance to the sustenance of the movement.
The logic was fuzzy, but there is some intuitive ingenuity associated with the number 9.
June 12th, 2008 at 2:30 am
A friend send me picture of PPP Minester’s office where Shaheed-Muhtarma ki photo was hanging up an above of Quaide-Azam-M. A. Jinnah…..Shame on this act of PZP.(some one said here Pakistan Zardari Party)
June 12th, 2008 at 2:32 am
can any one have a guess how much people are today in Lahore gathering ..??
June 12th, 2008 at 2:36 am
@ chottibibi
It chief 9 hours to get to highcourt bar from lahore airport which usualy takes about 25 minutes so you do the maths!!!
June 12th, 2008 at 2:37 am
ooops I ment “it took chief”
June 12th, 2008 at 2:48 am
@texaxboy: Oh I see.. it’s weird that he said that… I was calling my theory the conspiracy theory (that most of the heinous stuff seems to happen on the 9th of the month and I thought maybe it had something to do with 9 being moshe’s lucky number or something.. so he does this stuff on multiples of 9, be it firing the CJ or having BB off’ed or taking his vardi off…
I’m also wondering if the 1999 coup was also a Dramay Bazi by the US, the Jurnails and Moshe, and the operation prolly started on the 9th. Did he fly out to Sri Lanka on the 9th of october?
See, his coup was also a setup for NS. If NS had told him to just resign, he wouldn’t have had “causus belli” and I’m sure the Americans came up with this plan, in which on the one side, NS was convinced by someone (probably some retired MILitary guy) to fire him like this… while on the other hand, “the fix was in” and the army was ready to move as soon as the fake dramay bazi of the “ooooooh the plane’s running out of fuel OMIGOD!!!” started.
Just another conspiracy theory of mine.
June 12th, 2008 at 3:00 am
@tk,
you do know that musharraf is on record in his autobiography, saying that as soon as he took over islamabad and reached chaklala on the evening of the 12th of october, he phoned the general in charge of CENTCOM (which is now in qatar), i dont know where it was then.
June 12th, 2008 at 3:03 am
@TK…your conspiracy theory have some weight in it….you never know..
June 12th, 2008 at 3:20 am
Aitzaz’s historic speech at LHC.
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/06/12/long-march-aitzaz-ahsan-speech-at-lhc-11-june-2008/
June 12th, 2008 at 3:28 am
Yaar I hope a lot of people show up in ISB and the protest is peaceful n everything…
we’re entering the critical phase.
June 12th, 2008 at 4:50 am
More videos added:
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/06/12/long-march-ali-ahmed-kurd-11-june-2008/
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/06/12/long-march-hamid-munir-justice-khawaja-11-june-2008/
June 12th, 2008 at 5:18 am
khuda pakistan ka hami o nasir ho. i hope the people of pakistan realize the importance of this juncture and come out in droves.even if there are one lakh people in islamabad it would scare the crap out of ppp. it is the farz of every pakistani who wants rule of law in pakistan to be there and be counted………..and all of us who are abroad and cant be physically there lets all pray for the success of this march and that it happens with no violence..ameen
June 12th, 2008 at 5:36 am
With the massive reception given to IMC in Lahore today, the tide has turned in favor of lawyers. Today’s reception in Lahore was like the May 5th, 2007 journey from ISB to Lahore. The May 5th March turned the tide last year and on May 7th Justice Sardar Raza Khan stopped the supreme judicial council hearing sending the case to the SC.
I don’t know what will happen in islamabad, but my gut feeling in that the tide has turned.
People will turn out for the march enmasse now. So far it was like a warmup from Karachi/Quetta to Lahore. The game starts today.
June 12th, 2008 at 5:53 am
AA was brilliant yesterday…
I think the best part was when he made the lawyers and their looong march actually a strength of the parliament…
He said that people say that the Parliament is supreme…if it is, what is stopping it from restoring judges through executive order? …it is said that beacuse there will be a clash and that such an order cannot be implemented…AA brilliantly challenged the parliament to flex its muscle and that the lawyers will support it…they will provide the force required to implement its decision…
this is absolutely brilliant…in one stroke it removes the discourse that claims that the looong march is a clash with the parliament…this, in my opinion was the weakest link in the debate about the usefulness of the march….
by linking the march to the strengthening of the parliament, AA demolished that argument…
I hope that all lawyers pick this up and repeat it as often as possible…
also, I hope that today, there is at-least some ‘March’ of the foot with CJ in the lead…it is very essential…
ideally, I think they should repeat the GT Road experience last year…
(btw, I think AA is wrong in one thing…in saying that if Mao had access to modern means of transportation, he would have used it. I do not think so. Mao knew well the symbolic power of waliking among and through people….instead of justifying the mode of this looong march, I think they should learn from Mao and at-least for some distance do an old-fashioned march).
June 12th, 2008 at 6:06 am
I also wish that the lawyers’ movement had brought out the Suo Moto cases raised by the CJ….
It is perhaps too late now…but they should have brought people …common people…who benefited from CJ’s quick dispension of justice on the stage to speak to the convention (instead of the almost similar speeches by the lawyers themselves)…
that would have been a way to challenge the perception spread by all anti-lawyers forces - from AZ to Sheik Rasheed - that justice is not the issue of ordinary people…
June 12th, 2008 at 6:57 am
The more I think about it, the more I see the need for the lawyers’ to actually march/walk, the more I am convinced about it…
Perhaps they already have this plann…but if not, they should…and if there are people on this forum who can convey this suggestion to lawyers, please do so…
why it is important?
in political situations, symbols matter a lot…
that is why Ghandi walked to the sea, took broom in his hand…
that is why Mao marched…
you need to show that your cause is masses’s cause…connection with the people is the ultimate concern…
in today’s Pakistan, nothing can be more alienating for the poor than the sight of a caravan of cars/ buses passing by their villages and towns…
it raelly does not matter if they reach ISL tomorrow instead of today…but they must march…they must march at-least a significant part…
the cars and the busses can be there….but those who are able to walk must get off and walk…
but perhaps taht is what they plan to do anyways and I am just fretting about for nothing…:)
June 12th, 2008 at 7:38 am
ibnrazi,
It’s an insane idea to march on foot. It will take a month to reach ISB, that is exactly what AZ wants i.e. more time. And how many people you think will march on foot, will you?
Those who don’t move with time, are left behind by time. Mao marched 60 years ago when Chinese did not have cars. Till 20 years back the Chinese were still riding bicysles.
June 12th, 2008 at 7:43 am
June 12th, 2008 at 7:43 am
Muk gaya tera show musharraf
Go musharraf go musharraf
musharraf under the boots of lawyers..
http://www.urdupoint.com/home/Images/anti_mush/Mush-Adob1e1.jpg
June 12th, 2008 at 8:02 am
@Kruman,
you reply to someone on the Internet and still say to him that he lives in another century…:)
there are some protest symbols that never die….
the symbolic power of marching on the foot is one of them….hunger strike is another…exile is yet another…
you have all the right to disagree…but please do so with reason and decency…
let us learn to listen, discuss and disagree….
if your argument will have force, it will prevail….
Ibnrazi
June 12th, 2008 at 8:03 am
@Peja…
a serious question….
how many of the current PPP and PML (N) leaders (say those who are or were in ministries) come from underpriviliged background?
i did some search and could not find any…but it was not a thorough search so I am not sure…
Ibnrazi
June 12th, 2008 at 8:32 am
@ibnrazi
I would think none , though I have not done any research… BTW why do you ask this question? Let me tell you that I don’t buy the arguments that revolve around such notions of who are the leaders , what is their background etc. etc.. these argument on the surface look very compelling however they are in reality shallow. Democracy evolves over a period of time and that evolution does not mean that people will bring the poor up as their leaders , none of the democracies I know boast about poor being the leaders and politicians as a matter of fact you might see in western democracies that the majority of parliamentarians coming from the upper class. The argument that there are people from lower/unprivileged classes too in those democracies and in Pakistan there are none is flawed as Pakistan is still a state where being poor means the person who struggles for his/her bread not for his/her rights.
I damn care whether these leaders belong to this class or that class , I care on which side of the tide they are , those who are against the tide will be crushed , those who are in the direction of tide will be filtered.
June 12th, 2008 at 8:34 am
ibnrazi,
When I asked if you live in the last century, I didn’t mean it literally, but mentally. There are many people who are living in the last century, just look at the mullas who refuse to use loudspeakers. And then came your suggestion to march on foot …………. in today’s age.
I am sorry for coming on harshly, but your comments reminded me of mullas.
I do see that you did not come from that angle though, and even if you did you are entitled to your views and opinions.
June 12th, 2008 at 8:45 am
@ibnrazi
In my youth , being a marxist , I used to think to be a bourgeois was a curse and to be Proletariat was a title. However later I changed my thinking .. perhaps I myself became a bourgeois , rememeber the good old joke.
So someone asked this communist , if you have two homes would you give the one to your brother , he said yes, and if you have two cars will you still give one to your brother , he said of course yes , and what if you have two coats , would you give one to your brother , and he said no , the person asked why no? he said well I have two coats
June 12th, 2008 at 8:51 am
@kruman…
no need to apologies…glad we are fine…
@Peja…
let us discuss this…
though because I need to go in a few minutes, I will only write about what I agree with you …
what I do not agree, i will write in the evening…
I agree with you that there is no logical reason why poor should be led by poor…what counts is empathy and imagination…
Further, often the leaders that emerge from the poor or oppressed themselves become part of the oppressors (a great book exploring this is ‘Pedagogy of the Oppressed’)…
this much is given…
to be continued…:)
June 12th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Anybody knows if NS addressed the long march in Lahore, I heard the news that people have started their journey towards Islamabad , but no news about the address of NS.
Anybody?
June 12th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
@peja,
Not yet started. Lots of people have gathered at Azaadi Chowk and Data Darbaar but address not started yet.
Video will be uploaded as soon as address is completed.
Admin
June 12th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Nawaz Sharif arrives to address lawyers’ Long March
Updated at: 1915 PST, Thursday, June 12, 2008
LAHORE: The Head of Pakistan Muslim League (N), Mian Nawaz Sharif has joined the Long March of lawyers here. He will also address the participants of Long March.
June 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
today’s urdupoint main page is fantastic
http://www.urdupoint.com.
June 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
wow….brilliant stuff. Thanks for the running commentary peja, kafka etc. I am goign to watch the videos once I get home, bur some very stuf ther efor kurd, AA and chief. And I love some of the slogans, like:
Musharraf ka jo haami hai
ha’mi hai ha’mi hai
hahah……cool
June 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Has Nawaz sharif’s speech started?