Ab hum par ye waqt aagaya hay kay Afghanistan jaisa mulk hmaein aankeh dikhta hay, thanks to Mr President, credit goes his commendable leadership, realistic policies, approach and strategy. Our enemy’s number is increasing, good job done by our leadership. Magara abhi tu hamen Hamid Mir, Shahid Masood nad Kashif Abbasi jaise anchors ko sabaq seekhane se fursat nahi, in se nimat ley tu phir Afghanistan , India, America ko bhi dekh ley gay(agar us waqt tak unh one wait kia tu)
I find Talat to be a little biased….a little blinded by his patriotism.
I completely agree with Afrasiyab Khan…we cannot stay in denial! Instead of pointing out the mistakes in others (like amreeeka) we should look at ourselves, our borders and identify where the issues are and how we can fix those.
Now we are understanding ANP, before, statement used to come from the government media, we didn’t believe those government media, now by the the statement of ANP person’s on private media, indicates that ANP isn’t and wasn’t friend of Pakistan and can understand from above statements that, since the birth of Pakistan, ANP was against Pakistan and the people of NWFP are faithfull to Pakistan, that’s true.
ANP’s above statements are in favour of Afghanistan and India, and ANP totally ignored Pakistan’s security, present situation and soviernity completely, Pakistan is surrounded by dangerous powers around it. ANP’s statement proves that they are un-patriotic and an agent of foriegn powers.
If ANP can’t do anything to improve or betterment for people of their area, they should resign.
If ANP has proof of “movement” from pakistan to another country, they should present in Pak courts , if ANP don’t like their decision, ANP should resign.
But no, ANP wanst to enjoy the government, which they got after long long time. And don’t want to face any blame, which occurs in their area during their government.
Above ANP, person, wanst the government benefits, but don’t want to do anything for the people. and playing blame game.
Ref: Bolta Pakistan June 16, 2008
Question by Nusrat Javed: Why is the President’s Budget higher, whereas PM’s proposed allocation is lesser in 2008-2009 than in 2007-2008, specially when savings should be targeted.
Answer to the above Question:
Is It not clear for all of us that the 2008-09 Budget allocation for the Prsidency is NOT for Mr Musharraf, but for the NEXT President , as declared by Mr. Asif Zardari, saying ” There will be soon a PPP President “
Before blaming any person or party, just dare to inform yourself a little bit about the history. When Pakistan came into being ANP was in govt, so Quaid-e-azam dissolve the NWFP assembly (thats how we set the example. After that our whole history is full of shameful examples. ANP was always against the establishment, and our wicked establishment made them Ghaddar, same standard as Bengali were Ghaddar.
Do you still believe tha our rulers were sincere enough to do some thing for the little provinces??? no at all.
When afghan war started, it was only ANP who said that it’s not Jihad but Fasad and Pakistan will pay the price, What you think now who is paying the price?????????
People of NWFP are happy with ANP so don’t speak for them, You have no right………
@shandana
what a political statement about ANP
very claverly no mention of time to time anti Pakistan ourburst from ANP leaders
also, history wont be complete if you dont mention that ANP is a linguistic party, has always talked about pashtuns instead of pakistanis
recently they are shy of coming up with such statements publicaly
they have a conrtoversial role in pakistan movement
having said that, I have to admit that unlike other liguistic regional parties, ANP has almost never supported voilence in their politics
why afrasayab khattak (anp) acting as spokesperson of karzai..very strange…even tribal MNAs speaking a lot of sense and afrasayab khattak is following old 60s-70s ANP policy that every anti pakistan Govt. in afganistan is friend of Khudai Khidmat gaars Surkh posh …..ANP should understand that it is 2008 and time has changed…i wonder if afganistan attacks pakistan and ANP will facilitate Karazai to come to Peshawar and search the city…what a shame ……due to these policies people of NWFP rejected ANP time and again and in last elections they were swept out and now if first time they have their own Govt. they should behave like responsible party….from Zahir Shah to Karzai all are ANP friends and all speaks sh*t…..
I am happy that Tribal MNAs rejected ANP claims….
keep your pakistan with you we dont need this kind of pakistan, where our own army is killing us, where there is no rule of law, where the thives and dacoits are always remain in power, where there is no bread ,no justice, no respect for a poor. Do you have a proud to show the dirty faces like Zardari,Nawaz and Musharaf to the world.
@sleepingnation
i had a chat with someone whoknows this man Afrasyab very closely
Afrasyab is prrof of Qahtu-ul-Rijal in pakistan
we have people like Ch Shujat serving is PM and people like Afrasyab acting as leaders
he is very jahil man, with very limited knowladge of history and politics
he has memorized some booklets and keeps qouting from them frequently
i wont be surprised if he approaches TV channels with arequest to be interviewed
the russis have geological maps….that pinpoint oil/mineral resources in northern and southern/tribal belt of pakistan. this is a war for resources…where the napak forces have been bad with her citizens……they have been very very good at playing the ‘great game’ of late. if they begin to crumble…guess who will come down to their support; the russis, the indians and the chinnis… none of them want the nato/bumreeki forces here…bekarzai is just that bekarzai. anp is playing it smart. keeping the options open for pakistan.
@kafka8
that psot from you gives a sample of ANP mentality
and how narrow minded people could be
even so called educated people like urself
everything is a punjabi’s fault
and you dont diasppoint me with your comment at all
thats what you can think about
sir ghoshi…what a cute nick by the way..multiple readings and all (i am not a pashtoon either..for your info) but yeah…practically everything is fault of the punjabi landlords and her faujistanistan. (please note ..i said practically everything…and not everything…the latter would be too absolutist for one who subscribes to indeterminate processes and structures
ni main janan jogi day naal….kan ich mundraan pa kay…ne main janan …
its not Punjabi, Pakhtoon issue..and by the way ANP does not represent whole NWFP or even every pakhtoon…….well “All supportersof ANP can be Pakhtoons but all Pakhtoons are not ANP supporters”
These two Tribal MNAs have opinion at 180 degree from Afrasayab Khattak …and by the way both Tribal Guys are not Mullas ..they seem to be very reasonable persons and they disagree with ANP
as i said that ANP has historical policy that every anti pakistan Govt. in afganistan is friend of ANP….and they cant chgange it as they have stick to that policy from decades..
i have all the respect for Khuadi Khidmat gaars but when they will speak the language of karazai then they should face the criticism
in your accusations against ANP you seem to have ignored the blatantly racist comment made against the Pakhtoons. Does it show your own internalized racism?
confuseus say: when u poin one fingle to otha, 2 finga point to yoo! (he only had four fingers)
@kafka8
i dont care if you put Mundrann in your kan or a bicycle tyre
you are trying to play with words
but you did say punjabi not punjabi wadaira or jageerdar in your initialstamnet
you can add as many words in retrpspcet as you like
but it does tell us how your thinking process is
I am really not sure if you are not serious or not aware of the allegations you are having regarding Pakhtuns or ANP. Honestly telling you what, this Pakistan which is supposedly the home of all people living in all four(were 5 including Bengalis) provinces but the truth is that it is the home of Panjabis only. It is the panjabis who are thekedars of giving certificates of patriotism to other provinces. Pakhtuns are Ghaddar because half of them living in Afghanistan. Baloachis are ghaddar and so are Sindhis.
I personally believe that it is not a panjabi but the establishment (as bigger part is panjabi) and panjabi landllords but common panjabi believes what they are told and they do not use their upper chambers……..
Now I am challeging you to bring me a single statement of Wali khan which is against Pakistan.
……and ya anti-Pakistan……Do you know that Bach khan was a freedom fighter and spent 19 years in jail before partition and ya he spend 16 years in jail after partition ………thats another proof that he was ‘Ghaddar’…….because he didn’t want to bow his head in front of english govet or slaves of them……Waseem sajjad and other like him are all time patriots who told queen of england (when she came to Pakistan) that we still are your slaves……….
@shandana: right on! (I too was flabbergasted to hear the Stupid sh!t waseem sajjad spouted.. what illiterate JACKASSES we have in parliament!! — which is also supposed to be sovereign and all)
@shandana
ANP and Pshtoons are not one and the same thing
ANP dose claim to present pashtoons and not pakistanis
so why TK is so offended if i pointed to that, they themselves dont seem to mind it all, or do they?
if someone mentions ANP you seem start talking bout punjabis
and that seems to be your defence, if someone criticisze ANP, tell them about punjabis
i never once used the word ghadar even then this seems to bother u the most shandana
ANP was and still remains a regional party presenting a race rather than a nation
and if that hurts you, its not my fault
its their agenda not mine
Back to the issue at hand. PPP is completly incompetent at dealing with this WOT thing.
They keep mumbling sh!t to themselve.. Zardari is running the show but YRG is supposed to be PM WHAT.THE.FUQQ ????
They need to get the fuq on with the program … lay some mines, send some 155mm howitzer shells.. send the fuqqing Afghan Refugees back and FORCE NATO to properly guard the borders.
We need to start laying the mines on our side. FUQ that fuqqing sock-puppet Karzai. Drop a couple of the NATO planes and DO SOMETHING about all those indian “embassies” in Afghanistan.
Todays Siyasi Log is also on this topic. google “SiyasiLog17thJune”
@TK
typical
‘ if i dont agree, you must be wrong’
my formting woyldnt bother you if i start agreeing with whatever you say and put a bit of praise for you in it
if you look at this site, there are people with all sorts of ‘ formates’ you dont get offened bu=y all of them
its only that i probably put my foot on your t***l, that u are so falred up
tolerance, if you kow what that means!!!
and i must say using FUQ instead of four letter words doesnt make it any better
If you are going to teach me how to write, i must tell you something about what a decent language is
and i m not going to respond to any other posts by you on this matter
not worth talking to people like your hnourable self
cheers
fukuyama or fuquyama…always get confused. oh and naom chomsky ..isn’t he into linguistics…(does that have to do with the art of using your tongue (in cheek/s) ?
In begenning, sarhaadi Ghandhi was not interested in alliaces with pakistan, they directly and indirectly oppose that alliance, but when people of “Sarhaad” wanted to have alliance with Pakistan, and wali khan didn’t had any choice.
ANP is talking in same tone like PPP and MQM (dacos), they are not faithfull to pakistan.
These present ANP should support government decision or they should resign. If government is wrong what the hell they are doing in government?
ANP smells like RAT against Pakistan’s interest. If they were faithfull to Pakistan they would have Pakistan, because it is in the favour of Pakistan, we have to see what is in favour of Pakistan like rest of the countries of the world do, they don’t care what is right of wrong.
ignore them…they probably cried with that SOB azahar lodhi when that mardood-e-haq finally died …!! (BTW: a book by mohd. hanif….exploding mangoes is out and on the NY times list)
can you type the name of that japanese american scientist who came up with the end of history theory..i think….starts with F….wondering if his name gets the ‘moderation’ treatment?
I really don’t wanna argue with you but the only think I wud like to ask that
by Pakistan what do you mean?
when you say Pakistan’s interests then whose intersts exactly you have in ur mind?
All you are saying is , bla bla bla bla… with no reference wot so ever. Please state facts with references. If you blame someone being anti-pakistan, then quote him and give proper reference. Other wise I can also call you anti-Pakistani, but that doesnt make it true , does it?
Do some reading. Find out the statements of both sides, and then give your opinion.
When I say Pakistan, means only Pakistan. I am not punjabi, agakhani, memon, pakhtoon, mauhajir or anything else. I am only Pakistan.
I don’t consider any political party Pakistan. Only people’s of pakistan. I
respect..
I don’t belong to any political party. I consider all political parties of Pakistan untrustworthy.
You don’t know, what a country is, a person who has eyes has no value of eyes, until he loses his eyes. same way you don’t know what a country is? You can’t understand that, until you loose you beloved country. Then you will know the pain, “doodkar” disrespect from the “ghair, but by that time it will be too late.
this was never about pakhtoons or punjabis, i neve said a word against pakhtoons. I talked about ANP and as for the references are concerned, nobody else came up with any references either.
I cant see any references at the end of any of the messages so this is a bit unfair to selectively ask for references from those you dont agree with.
as i said , never said anything nasty about pakhtoons, never called anyone a ghadar etc
ANP doesnt deny that they represent pakhtoons, so whats the fuss about?
conclusion:
A real pakhtun, a real pannjabi, a real sindhi, a real Baloachi, and all other ethenicies of Pakistan are real Pakistanis.
Why I am saying that,………..because all these people are sons/daughters of this soil. These people talk about the rights of their people and become ‘ghaddar’ in the eyes of establishment.
@ ghoshi
every third post on this forum becomes a battle ground between “pukhtoons” and “punjabis”, both rejecting each other as pakistanis. This hatred, based solely on false propaganda is the reason for divide in our country. Thats why I ask for references.
I ask every one here, not to say anything until they have known the truth. “others dont have references too” is not an argument.
The reason I asked only you for references is bcz as per my humble knowledge, both of you had their facts wrong. Accusing ANP of being anti-pakistan shows clearly the fact that you dont know anything about ANP or their history. Do some reading from authentic and neutral sources.
Seconly, you keep saying all pakhtoons are not in ANP, implying that they are an evil sect within pukhtoons. Well they won the elections, they are in majority, and they won from pukhtoon area. so that does make them representative of majority of pukhtoons.
Also, you keep saying ANP is a linguistic party, ( or a party representing a particular group of people) I fail to understand why this is bad? The reason you hear them speaking only for pukhtoons is bcz pukhtoons have been and are being targetted all the time and their problems ignored. Same is the case with balochis. You keep killing them in the name of national interest, and when they strike back they become bad people and any party raising voice for them becomes ‘anti-pakistan”.
Asslamualiukom w/b Sinc 1947 when ever anp said any thing from pujab press & our panjabi brothers have labeld they are ghadar we must change our thinking we must recoignise ourself only one ummaha we must leave this ill thinking pattan,punjabi,balchi,sindhi,muhjir.
@salman saeed
to start with, i m not a punjabi, so dont take my comments as a punjabi against pakhtoons, secondly, i have nothing against pakhtoons or punjabis for that matter.
PPP, JUI, PML all have big vote banks in this area and forming a Gov for the first time in decades doesnt not make ANP the sole representative of pakhtoons.
I am not doubting your intentions but why to talk about targeting of only pakhtoons. thats something i dont understand. People talk about sufferings of pakhtoons, sindhi, saraiks, balochs etc so practically every individual group is suffering. So why not discuss suffering pakistanis ?
Do you really think that people from few districts of Punjab are the root cause of sufferings of all other groups?
I have personally attended not one but several ANP student conventions and I dont remember a single one without anti pakistan outbursts, and with central leadership proudly sitting on the stage.
Mr. Karzai (who is an expensive mayor actually) 1st should gain hegemony beyond his presidential palace in Kabul. He might need again asylum in Pakistan soon, so must be careful before being frustrated like that. He knows that peace treaties in tribal areas might mitigate his need in Kabul by allied forces, so he is ‘jumping’ like this.
You are right, pakhtuns are usually utspoken on all levels, I guess it may be some genetic disorder
Well the fact is it is almost impossible for them to speak against what they feel, difficult for them to hide their feelings……….
Why did they ban poor hamid mir!?
They should ban Talat first!
Ab hum par ye waqt aagaya hay kay Afghanistan jaisa mulk hmaein aankeh dikhta hay, thanks to Mr President, credit goes his commendable leadership, realistic policies, approach and strategy. Our enemy’s number is increasing, good job done by our leadership. Magara abhi tu hamen Hamid Mir, Shahid Masood nad Kashif Abbasi jaise anchors ko sabaq seekhane se fursat nahi, in se nimat ley tu phir Afghanistan , India, America ko bhi dekh ley gay(agar us waqt tak unh one wait kia tu)
I find Talat to be a little biased….a little blinded by his patriotism.
I completely agree with Afrasiyab Khan…we cannot stay in denial! Instead of pointing out the mistakes in others (like amreeeka) we should look at ourselves, our borders and identify where the issues are and how we can fix those.
dats a gift of Mushraf
Now we are understanding ANP, before, statement used to come from the government media, we didn’t believe those government media, now by the the statement of ANP person’s on private media, indicates that ANP isn’t and wasn’t friend of Pakistan and can understand from above statements that, since the birth of Pakistan, ANP was against Pakistan and the people of NWFP are faithfull to Pakistan, that’s true.
ANP’s above statements are in favour of Afghanistan and India, and ANP totally ignored Pakistan’s security, present situation and soviernity completely, Pakistan is surrounded by dangerous powers around it. ANP’s statement proves that they are un-patriotic and an agent of foriegn powers.
If ANP can’t do anything to improve or betterment for people of their area, they should resign.
If ANP has proof of “movement” from pakistan to another country, they should present in Pak courts , if ANP don’t like their decision, ANP should resign.
But no, ANP wanst to enjoy the government, which they got after long long time. And don’t want to face any blame, which occurs in their area during their government.
Above ANP, person, wanst the government benefits, but don’t want to do anything for the people. and playing blame game.
@dmin
please tell if Bolta Pakistan and Live with talat are in different time zone ? or how you calculate 48 hours for each
Ref: Bolta Pakistan June 16, 2008
Question by Nusrat Javed: Why is the President’s Budget higher, whereas PM’s proposed allocation is lesser in 2008-2009 than in 2007-2008, specially when savings should be targeted.
Answer to the above Question:
Is It not clear for all of us that the 2008-09 Budget allocation for the Prsidency is NOT for Mr Musharraf, but for the NEXT President , as declared by Mr. Asif Zardari, saying ” There will be soon a PPP President “
@edcoym
Before blaming any person or party, just dare to inform yourself a little bit about the history. When Pakistan came into being ANP was in govt, so Quaid-e-azam dissolve the NWFP assembly (thats how we set the example. After that our whole history is full of shameful examples. ANP was always against the establishment, and our wicked establishment made them Ghaddar, same standard as Bengali were Ghaddar.
Do you still believe tha our rulers were sincere enough to do some thing for the little provinces??? no at all.
When afghan war started, it was only ANP who said that it’s not Jihad but Fasad and Pakistan will pay the price, What you think now who is paying the price?????????
People of NWFP are happy with ANP so don’t speak for them, You have no right………
Yeh pahtan urdu bolany ke baad thak kiyun jatay hain ?
Mulla!
@shandana
what a political statement about ANP
very claverly no mention of time to time anti Pakistan ourburst from ANP leaders
also, history wont be complete if you dont mention that ANP is a linguistic party, has always talked about pashtuns instead of pakistanis
recently they are shy of coming up with such statements publicaly
they have a conrtoversial role in pakistan movement
having said that, I have to admit that unlike other liguistic regional parties, ANP has almost never supported voilence in their politics
Not a bad read.
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14694056
@shafiqahmed
4- Thou shall not post comments that are out of context of the topic
@shandana
comrade, forgive them ..for they know not what they say
why afrasayab khattak (anp) acting as spokesperson of karzai..very strange…even tribal MNAs speaking a lot of sense and afrasayab khattak is following old 60s-70s ANP policy that every anti pakistan Govt. in afganistan is friend of Khudai Khidmat gaars Surkh posh …..ANP should understand that it is 2008 and time has changed…i wonder if afganistan attacks pakistan and ANP will facilitate Karazai to come to Peshawar and search the city…what a shame ……due to these policies people of NWFP rejected ANP time and again and in last elections they were swept out and now if first time they have their own Govt. they should behave like responsible party….from Zahir Shah to Karzai all are ANP friends and all speaks sh*t…..
I am happy that Tribal MNAs rejected ANP claims….
keep your pakistan with you we dont need this kind of pakistan, where our own army is killing us, where there is no rule of law, where the thives and dacoits are always remain in power, where there is no bread ,no justice, no respect for a poor. Do you have a proud to show the dirty faces like Zardari,Nawaz and Musharaf to the world.
@kafka8
u should have finished by saying ‘ and i m the only one who know EVERYTHNG’
@ghoshi
no ..cant say that i know everything…alas…i am not a punjabi
muhahaha!!
sorry…no offense
@sleepingnation
i had a chat with someone whoknows this man Afrasyab very closely
Afrasyab is prrof of Qahtu-ul-Rijal in pakistan
we have people like Ch Shujat serving is PM and people like Afrasyab acting as leaders
he is very jahil man, with very limited knowladge of history and politics
he has memorized some booklets and keeps qouting from them frequently
i wont be surprised if he approaches TV channels with arequest to be interviewed
I haven’t watched the show but the very thought afghanistan attacking Pakistan makes me laugh : KIYA PATHAROON SAY AA KER ATTACK KERAY GAY : lolz
the russis have geological maps….that pinpoint oil/mineral resources in northern and southern/tribal belt of pakistan. this is a war for resources…where the napak forces have been bad with her citizens……they have been very very good at playing the ‘great game’ of late. if they begin to crumble…guess who will come down to their support; the russis, the indians and the chinnis… none of them want the nato/bumreeki forces here…bekarzai is just that bekarzai. anp is playing it smart. keeping the options open for pakistan.
@kafka8
that psot from you gives a sample of ANP mentality
and how narrow minded people could be
even so called educated people like urself
everything is a punjabi’s fault
and you dont diasppoint me with your comment at all
thats what you can think about
plus i m not a punjabi and i m happy that i dont think like u
@ghoshi
sir ghoshi…what a cute nick by the way..multiple readings and all
(i am not a pashtoon either..for your info) but yeah…practically everything is fault of the punjabi landlords and her faujistanistan. 
(please note ..i said practically everything…and not everything…the latter would be too absolutist for one who subscribes to indeterminate processes and structures 
ni main janan jogi day naal….kan ich mundraan pa kay…ne main janan …
its not Punjabi, Pakhtoon issue..and by the way ANP does not represent whole NWFP or even every pakhtoon…….well “All supportersof ANP can be Pakhtoons but all Pakhtoons are not ANP supporters”
These two Tribal MNAs have opinion at 180 degree from Afrasayab Khattak …and by the way both Tribal Guys are not Mullas ..they seem to be very reasonable persons and they disagree with ANP
as i said that ANP has historical policy that every anti pakistan Govt. in afganistan is friend of ANP….and they cant chgange it as they have stick to that policy from decades..
i have all the respect for Khuadi Khidmat gaars but when they will speak the language of karazai then they should face the criticism
@ghoshi:
do you know what ‘linguistic’ means?
in your accusations against ANP you seem to have ignored the blatantly racist comment made against the Pakhtoons. Does it show your own internalized racism?
confuseus say: when u poin one fingle to otha, 2 finga point to yoo! (he only had four fingers)
@kafka8
i dont care if you put Mundrann in your kan or a bicycle tyre
you are trying to play with words
but you did say punjabi not punjabi wadaira or jageerdar in your initialstamnet
you can add as many words in retrpspcet as you like
but it does tell us how your thinking process is
@ TK
wot abt the 4th finger?
@Mr. or Mis ghoshi
I am really not sure if you are not serious or not aware of the allegations you are having regarding Pakhtuns or ANP. Honestly telling you what, this Pakistan which is supposedly the home of all people living in all four(were 5 including Bengalis) provinces but the truth is that it is the home of Panjabis only. It is the panjabis who are thekedars of giving certificates of patriotism to other provinces. Pakhtuns are Ghaddar because half of them living in Afghanistan. Baloachis are ghaddar and so are Sindhis.
I personally believe that it is not a panjabi but the establishment (as bigger part is panjabi) and panjabi landllords but common panjabi believes what they are told and they do not use their upper chambers……..
Now I am challeging you to bring me a single statement of Wali khan which is against Pakistan.
……and ya anti-Pakistan……Do you know that Bach khan was a freedom fighter and spent 19 years in jail before partition and ya he spend 16 years in jail after partition ………thats another proof that he was ‘Ghaddar’…….because he didn’t want to bow his head in front of english govet or slaves of them……Waseem sajjad and other like him are all time patriots who told queen of england (when she came to Pakistan) that we still are your slaves……….
@shandana: right on! (I too was flabbergasted to hear the Stupid sh!t waseem sajjad spouted.. what illiterate JACKASSES we have in parliament!! — which is also supposed to be sovereign and all)
@shandana
ANP and Pshtoons are not one and the same thing
ANP dose claim to present pashtoons and not pakistanis
so why TK is so offended if i pointed to that, they themselves dont seem to mind it all, or do they?
if someone mentions ANP you seem start talking bout punjabis
and that seems to be your defence, if someone criticisze ANP, tell them about punjabis
i never once used the word ghadar even then this seems to bother u the most shandana
ANP was and still remains a regional party presenting a race rather than a nation
and if that hurts you, its not my fault
its their agenda not mine
if waseem sjajjd is a S*** then he is a s***T
what have i got to do with him?
be reasobale people
@ghoshi: I am also offended by your formatting. Why don’t you be courteous and format your writing properly? Use paragraphs.
hint (organize your thoughts in para’s kinda sort like this):
OK? Also, your argument doesn’t make any sense (aside from poor formatting)… but I’m not going to waste time on a pi##ing match with you.
Back to the issue at hand. PPP is completly incompetent at dealing with this WOT thing.
They keep mumbling sh!t to themselve.. Zardari is running the show but YRG is supposed to be PM WHAT.THE.FUQQ ????
They need to get the fuq on with the program … lay some mines, send some 155mm howitzer shells.. send the fuqqing Afghan Refugees back and FORCE NATO to properly guard the borders.
We need to start laying the mines on our side. FUQ that fuqqing sock-puppet Karzai. Drop a couple of the NATO planes and DO SOMETHING about all those indian “embassies” in Afghanistan.
Todays Siyasi Log is also on this topic. google “SiyasiLog17thJune”
fuqqn FAGGGOT PEEPAL PAALTI losers!
@TK
typical
‘ if i dont agree, you must be wrong’
my formting woyldnt bother you if i start agreeing with whatever you say and put a bit of praise for you in it
if you look at this site, there are people with all sorts of ‘ formates’ you dont get offened bu=y all of them
its only that i probably put my foot on your t***l, that u are so falred up
tolerance, if you kow what that means!!!
and i must say using FUQ instead of four letter words doesnt make it any better
If you are going to teach me how to write, i must tell you something about what a decent language is
and i m not going to respond to any other posts by you on this matter
not worth talking to people like your hnourable self
cheers
@ghoshi:
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@tk
fukuyama or fuquyama…always get confused. oh and naom chomsky ..isn’t he into linguistics…(does that have to do with the art of using your tongue (in cheek/s) ?
sigh..what did i say in the preceeding words…that sent it to the dreaded zone of moderation..??
@shardana,
I forgive you for your ignorance.
In begenning, sarhaadi Ghandhi was not interested in alliaces with pakistan, they directly and indirectly oppose that alliance, but when people of “Sarhaad” wanted to have alliance with Pakistan, and wali khan didn’t had any choice.
ANP is talking in same tone like PPP and MQM (dacos), they are not faithfull to pakistan.
These present ANP should support government decision or they should resign. If government is wrong what the hell they are doing in government?
ANP smells like RAT against Pakistan’s interest. If they were faithfull to Pakistan they would have Pakistan, because it is in the favour of Pakistan, we have to see what is in favour of Pakistan like rest of the countries of the world do, they don’t care what is right of wrong.
@shandana
ignore them…they probably cried with that SOB azahar lodhi when that mardood-e-haq finally died …!! (BTW: a book by mohd. hanif….exploding mangoes is out and on the NY times list)
@tk
can you type the name of that japanese american scientist who came up with the end of history theory..i think….starts with F….wondering if his name gets the ‘moderation’ treatment?
Fukuyama
@kafka8: yeah it does..
Francis F.u.k.u.y.a.m.a.
@tk
lol
@edcoym
I really don’t wanna argue with you but the only think I wud like to ask that
by Pakistan what do you mean?
when you say Pakistan’s interests then whose intersts exactly you have in ur mind?
@ ghoshi and edocym
All you are saying is , bla bla bla bla… with no reference wot so ever. Please state facts with references. If you blame someone being anti-pakistan, then quote him and give proper reference. Other wise I can also call you anti-Pakistani, but that doesnt make it true , does it?
Do some reading. Find out the statements of both sides, and then give your opinion.
@Shandana
When I say Pakistan, means only Pakistan. I am not punjabi, agakhani, memon, pakhtoon, mauhajir or anything else. I am only Pakistan.
I don’t consider any political party Pakistan. Only people’s of pakistan. I
respect..
I don’t belong to any political party. I consider all political parties of Pakistan untrustworthy.
You don’t know, what a country is, a person who has eyes has no value of eyes, until he loses his eyes. same way you don’t know what a country is? You can’t understand that, until you loose you beloved country. Then you will know the pain, “doodkar” disrespect from the “ghair, but by that time it will be too late.
just for benefit of all participating in this pakhtoon punjabi discussion.
hear this from a punjabi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzQDHnuePoI
Free version added.
this was never about pakhtoons or punjabis, i neve said a word against pakhtoons. I talked about ANP and as for the references are concerned, nobody else came up with any references either.
I cant see any references at the end of any of the messages so this is a bit unfair to selectively ask for references from those you dont agree with.
as i said , never said anything nasty about pakhtoons, never called anyone a ghadar etc
ANP doesnt deny that they represent pakhtoons, so whats the fuss about?
@dmin
what news of the one that TK refers to, the one with AA?? pray give some idea…should one wait or watch it tomorrow
TK is the second ………first one was Bill Hicks…………I love both of them…….and their use of four leter word…………..
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1604695578417499645&q=Bill Hicks&ei=7Q9YSLunEJ_I2gK4za3_Dg&hl=en
@Salman Saeed
Listen to this pakhtun too………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diEUfhEKBuI
conclusion:
A real pakhtun, a real pannjabi, a real sindhi, a real Baloachi, and all other ethenicies of Pakistan are real Pakistanis.
Why I am saying that,………..because all these people are sons/daughters of this soil. These people talk about the rights of their people and become ‘ghaddar’ in the eyes of establishment.
@ ghoshi
every third post on this forum becomes a battle ground between “pukhtoons” and “punjabis”, both rejecting each other as pakistanis. This hatred, based solely on false propaganda is the reason for divide in our country. Thats why I ask for references.
I ask every one here, not to say anything until they have known the truth. “others dont have references too” is not an argument.
The reason I asked only you for references is bcz as per my humble knowledge, both of you had their facts wrong. Accusing ANP of being anti-pakistan shows clearly the fact that you dont know anything about ANP or their history. Do some reading from authentic and neutral sources.
Seconly, you keep saying all pakhtoons are not in ANP, implying that they are an evil sect within pukhtoons. Well they won the elections, they are in majority, and they won from pukhtoon area. so that does make them representative of majority of pukhtoons.
Also, you keep saying ANP is a linguistic party, ( or a party representing a particular group of people) I fail to understand why this is bad? The reason you hear them speaking only for pukhtoons is bcz pukhtoons have been and are being targetted all the time and their problems ignored. Same is the case with balochis. You keep killing them in the name of national interest, and when they strike back they become bad people and any party raising voice for them becomes ‘anti-pakistan”.
Asslamualiukom w/b Sinc 1947 when ever anp said any thing from pujab press & our panjabi brothers have labeld they are ghadar we must change our thinking we must recoignise ourself only one ummaha we must leave this ill thinking pattan,punjabi,balchi,sindhi,muhjir.
@shandana on June 17th, 2008 8:39 pm
GREAT M K ACHAKZAI.
could you plz tell me y all these PASHTUN politcal leaders(MK Achakzai,A Y Wali,Afrasayab Khattak etc etc) are so outspoken?
@salman saeed
to start with, i m not a punjabi, so dont take my comments as a punjabi against pakhtoons, secondly, i have nothing against pakhtoons or punjabis for that matter.
PPP, JUI, PML all have big vote banks in this area and forming a Gov for the first time in decades doesnt not make ANP the sole representative of pakhtoons.
I am not doubting your intentions but why to talk about targeting of only pakhtoons. thats something i dont understand. People talk about sufferings of pakhtoons, sindhi, saraiks, balochs etc so practically every individual group is suffering. So why not discuss suffering pakistanis ?
Do you really think that people from few districts of Punjab are the root cause of sufferings of all other groups?
I have personally attended not one but several ANP student conventions and I dont remember a single one without anti pakistan outbursts, and with central leadership proudly sitting on the stage.
Mr. Karzai (who is an expensive mayor actually) 1st should gain hegemony beyond his presidential palace in Kabul. He might need again asylum in Pakistan soon, so must be careful before being frustrated like that. He knows that peace treaties in tribal areas might mitigate his need in Kabul by allied forces, so he is ‘jumping’ like this.
@justice4all
You are right, pakhtuns are usually utspoken on all levels, I guess it may be some genetic disorder
Well the fact is it is almost impossible for them to speak against what they feel, difficult for them to hide their feelings……….
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