Brilliant Strategy:

1. Print tons of Paper Money, give people usurious loans at 20%
2. tell them to become consumers and buy in-efficient chines AC’s
3. Forget to fuqqn increase power production… because you know.. one of your cronies is taking a cut on generator imports and oil imports.

Way to go a$$holes. I can’t wait till you fuqqers impose another martial law because we just couldn’t recover from your previous MONUMENTAL FUQUP!!

That ought to take peoples mind off restoration of judiciary. Too bad they didn’t vote for electricity, only roti, kapra and makan.

Pervez Mush ( and for some spice, Pervez Jr too) could be trialled for criminal negligence to raise and maintain the national energy resources. Living in hell.. thought i’ve a cold shiver when i remember last winter!
@ Tk
totally agreed with you bro!!

[...] Electricity Crisis Worsens - Load Shedding to DoubleElectricity crisis worsens in Pakistan as shortage of Electricity increases from 5000 megawatts to 9000 megawatts, reports Express News. Express also reports that angry citizens blocked GT road in Peshawar due to extended load shedding … [...]

although primary fault is of the govts for not producing enough electricity but civil society/ public at large has a resposibilty too

- politicians use the excuse of ‘people’ against projects like Kalabagh Dam. Public never raise voice or come out to protest in favour of KB Dam?
- we as nation has resposibilty to manage our electric use? how many AC’s run in one house at a time? how many electric bulbs (the rich mainly) dont bother to switch off?

there should be 2 tiers of electric charges for home users eg first x watts (eg that allows upto 5 bulbs/fans and 1 AC) of consumption at small price and then at such an exortinotely higher rate that every person thinks twenty times whether he needs the AC/lights switched on for more than minimum?

just looking at the poicture again under ‘Angry citizens block GT Road’ Infact its in Peshawar…the same people who started objections to Kalabagh Dam under Gen Faz Haq’s rule and still do (Wali Khan party)…although more recently altak Kaalia (and Moooron new federal minister) has taken over the lead role of objection to KB Dam

why dont they(we) spend our energies in protesting in favour of building of Dams rather than ‘winging’ and complaining !! perhaps we deserve to!

i think if we civil society continue like this (protesting against load shedding rather than positive attitude) we will inshallah get rid of load shedding….how?…poor will die because they will not b able to afford power to even cook food…and the rich will die because they wont be able to bear heat (without AC’s) in summer….. very few will be left alive and current power production will be adequate…simple! but its more like @TK appraoch!!!!

Why are we as a nation such fan boys of dams? Is there no other source of electricity available to us? Why don’t we put up a nuclear plant or two? Or some other form of energy? We’ve got the people with the skills and intelligence.

@ Umer Farooq

“some other form of energy?”. Restoration of Judiciary could be source I guess ;-)))

@Malek: My approach is to have passive cooling systems, buildings which are at least whitewashed, mud-insulated and have shade on the exposed sides. Windenergy to pump water, to generate tricle electricity and to have desert coolers which run on 5-10W of power rather than 500 watts of power. Just look at all the computers everyone keeps running wiht 400w power supplies.. do they really need that power? nope.
passive refrigeration units which keep food cool longer.. Windpowered cellphone chargers etc.

The thing is.. there is not huge cuts for the vultures sitting in excise and taxation if we go the way of self empowerment. So no-one talks about it. As we slide towards our doom. A torrent of sh!t flows in the street outside, but as long as we have marble floor inside our homes, who cares?

That right there is Pakistan. Inward looking, suspicious, demoralized and vulturistically selfish.

And when you talk about alternative energy, even our chattering/”foreign educated” classes think of huge photovoltaic farms not a little wooden wind driven fan. It is just our monumental ignorance.

P.S. just go look at the “energy” thread and see how seriously people on this forum took suggestions of distributed grass-roots power. They want mega dams… to show india how big a d!ck we got… meanwhile india steals our lunch.

Passive Cooling towers may cost as much as the price of an air conditioner … but it needs a little bit of thinking ahead. Which I believe is a LOT to ask of us.

http://www.thefarm.org/charities/i4at/lib2/aircool.htm

There is no shortage of electricity. They just want to divert our attention from current political situation. Politicians have no concern with our issues they just use us for their own sake and benefit.

@ kanwarabrar:

I fully agree with you that there is no shortage of electricity. Ask any friend or relation working in Wapda who will tell you how each employee down to the lowest is authorized free electricity according to a sliding scale. And the senior officers do not pay a penny for any misuse. Count the number of employees and multiply with the number of Watts and you will come to know how much electricity is misused by all these people, at the national level.

Have you ever passed by the President House or the PM Residence at night? You will see the whole site aglow with heavy lighting not only the insides but the outside lawns, grounds etc. Not withstanding the other senior government officers at the national and provincial level who are allowed free electriciy. Mind you none of such officials even pay a single penny out of their pockets for such misuse while you and I and the public at large is made to pay through their noses apart from six hours daily load shedding in places like Islamabad and Pindi.

It has been reported that in villages and suburbs all over Pakistan specially Karachi there is load shedding for 12 hrs at a stretch , just to supply this same electricity to the above mentioned privileged people. I hope also you also read a report in an English newspaper sometime back in which a senior retired Wapda engineer categorically stated that there is no shortage of electricity.

It seems that the policies of the present government are a continuation of the previous one which is carried out in a subtle manner. The purpose of all this exercise is to divert the attention of the people from the main problem, i.e. the judicial crisis and reinstatement of Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhary. Is there any other explanation?

the only solution is to chant the slogans like GEO BHUTTO, GEO BENAZIR, BIBI, SHAHEED etc.

@

bhati

very well said thats only solution…..

@everyone
We could generate electricity from 101 ways if our govt wants to
How?
lets see
Hydro Electricity from rivers (Building more dams)
Solar energey (Mid Punjab, Seraiki Belt, upper Sindh, Balochistan are best possible candidates)
Wind Energy ( Put some turbines with fans over cost starting from india to iran)
Atomic Energy ( Dont tell me we cant, If we can create a bomb, we can also create some different machine having same technology)

What do you need else?

and yes i forget!! we could generate electricity from garbage too!
http://www.carleton.ca/jmc/cnews/29112002/n1.shtml

@wiqi

So u wanna suggest that still there is some use of these 160 million people??

Pakistan needs 10,000 MW pronto, and another 10,000 MW in the near future. Question is! how can we get 20,0000 MW? Not from garbage, not from air or solar etc (all these may combine for 100 MW). In reality we need 15 nuclear plant (1,000 MW each), 2 large dams (1,500 MW average and not peak) and may be 4 coal/gas fired plants (500 MW each). Total investment on these would a minimum of $40-45 billion. Time period to design and install each would be somewhere close to 4-10 years.

This is a very generic maths to put so-called arms around the problem.

Instead of f****** buying F-16s from U.S., we should focus on critical issues such as electricity. Don’t tell me that there are no engineers in Pakistan who can’t come up with the idea of how to generate it. There are more than dozen ways to produce it. Some of them are mentioned by wiqi.

most of the electricity is wasted on stupid sh!t !!

what the hell is the logic for having water heaters? 1500 watt “coolers” when you can run the damn thing on 12 volt DC? Stupid building designs… dark buildings in 50 degree heat!

we have so much solar energy but we sit there with our hands on our faces and whine about not having Nuclear.

The demand can be lessened if we use what we have wisely. but that is not to be. Line losses are around 30% (and NO PM/President house does NOT contribute greatly to this - get a sense of proportion and propriety ppl!!! — and some fuqqing perspective while you’re at it!)

BTW where are you going build dams (qeustion: do you know what role WATER plays in hydro-electricity ??) Yes. we got no fuqqin water in next 10 years.

You can send thank you letters to the FUQUPS at the GHQ ..(make sure you send them to the new 10 billion dollar GHQ … because you know.. they’ve done wonders for you so far.. they deserve another gated, palace complex for their plump little children who just can’t bear the old 10 kanal houses anymore…)

And to make matters worse, watch the latest left-right where some FAT-FUQQ establishment guy tries to make excuses for why Balochistan is paid Rs 47 for 1Million BTU of gas while punjab gets Rs. 230 for a much lesser quality gas.

No wonder they want to leave.. 67% of the 17000 MW electricity produced is done through Balochistan natural gas! and when they want proper payment for it, the army goes in after the agencies create “the environment” for “intervention”

maybe this is why we don’t have enough power anymore? cuz they keep blowing up the supply pipelines to the power stations (nice work a@@holes! you did a great job protecting the country!)

Gawd I want this establishment and it’s children to pay for what they did to us.

In the meantime our greatest intellectual asset a.k.a Asif Zardari is in Athens,Greece, Participating in International Socialists Conference.

Just to let you know, so you don’t think he is not busy providing Roti Kupra aur Makaan to all the wretched citizens of our great country. Before that he was in Turkey , impressing all the Turks with his knowledge of Swiss Banking System.

Next stop Dubai again,or Paris, one of the two most important Diplomatic hotspots, where Rehman Malik will also join him to discuss world affairs. Farooq Naik will also visit to remind him of the ‘Ainee Package’.-his greatest intellectual and brilliant legal achievement -Which was last seen lying in a Gutter in Islmmabad, all drenched in filth and almost unrecognnizable..

from the above i like a practical idea by @TK i.e sensible building designs (instead of huge pillar fronts like a palace in every DHA House!) with mud-insulation and have shade on the exposed sides. i remember as a child in hot summers i used to go to my grandparents village house which had mud walls and there were one or two big old trees around…..it was so pleasant and in fact at nights we had to even switch the fan off because it used to get so cold!!

i still believe big dams are a must to catch up with high MW shortage currently and going forward look at ’solar power’…we get plenty of sun for that. i have seen new LED solar powered lights in UK (which are very cheap) and provide powerful lights. why cant we use such system e.g for street lighting, etc etc

and i forgot perhaps the best solution as proposed by @Bhati not to resolve the nenrgy crisis but all ills in Pakistan

‘the only solution is to chant the slogans like GEO BHUTTO, GEO BENAZIR, BIBI, SHAHEED Shaheed again, qurbainian for democracy Shaheed again, shaheed, and shaheed

@Malek,

Solar energy has much more costs involved if you want to establish 1,000 MW plant. From your posts I doubt you have any idea about building large electric systems.

Street lights may be solar, but UK relies on Nuclear and thermal for their “main” source, Large factories of UK do not rely on solar at the moment. And large factories means jobs, even for immigrants!

@JMM123
you are right mate i have no idea about building large electric system and surely have never ‘build one’ producing 1000W !

the point is that we need to produce the electricity somehow and discuss what options are available whether it be dams, solar or otherwise….not too bothered about source of energy production in UK and also not too bothered about size of factories and work for immigrants…. infact there is hardly any major industry left in UK because of high labour costs and regulation…everything is produced at less than 1/10th of the cost eg in China (from electrical items to clothes and furniture).

And if we were sincere in producing solar we can do that for some areas eg street lighting, billboards etc at much lower cost than $40-45bn estimate that you have given

@Malek

What’s the base of your argument “f we were sincere in producing solar we can do that for some areas “? Solar cell tech comes from the West. You have to pay for the cellsin $$. MW to MW solar cells have much higher installation cost. Let’s not get to romantic about “free” solar energy. There is no free lunch. Sure the “operational costs” are low for small toy-like solar systems, but the capital cost is no small matter.

People in Pakistan are not protesting that their billboards are not lit or the streets are dark at night. FYI people are protesting that they can’t run their factories, and light their homes. And solar energy won’t help in solving these issues. Sadly!