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	<title>Comments on: Constitution - Articles 11 to 20</title>
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		<title>By: Adnan Arshad Mansoori</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-126592</link>
		<dc:creator>Adnan Arshad Mansoori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is how constitution should be applied to all , good expamle even General, Cornals, Brigadeors or Judges form HC &#38; SC cannot escape from the law of the land. Fine example, it should start putting corrupt politicians also behind bars and clean this country of thrash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is how constitution should be applied to all , good expamle even General, Cornals, Brigadeors or Judges form HC &amp; SC cannot escape from the law of the land. Fine example, it should start putting corrupt politicians also behind bars and clean this country of thrash.</p>
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		<title>By: gardezi</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-126588</link>
		<dc:creator>gardezi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first part of the constitution is right,with ambiguity in article 20,(professing is something else) 
should be repealed with commas along (Practicing].
If article 20 provide constitutional protection for professing any religion then it would directly contradict with Islamic provisions articles,it would be dilemma in one constitution providing safeguard to two opposite systems,nevertheless it would be called neither Islamic nor Secular Constitution.So either first or later must be repealed to give it one direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first part of the constitution is right,with ambiguity in article 20,(professing is something else)<br />
should be repealed with commas along (Practicing].<br />
If article 20 provide constitutional protection for professing any religion then it would directly contradict with Islamic provisions articles,it would be dilemma in one constitution providing safeguard to two opposite systems,nevertheless it would be called neither Islamic nor Secular Constitution.So either first or later must be repealed to give it one direction.</p>
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		<title>By: SnrCtzn</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-98982</link>
		<dc:creator>SnrCtzn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 15:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember latest music score ' Hum Dekhain Gae ' ?  Phir  Loag Dekhain Gae,  Ke Kia Hashar Barpa Hota  Hae Oon Qom Ke Thaikae Daron Ka ? 

Since i am from N.W.F.P, I  know somewhat about the life story  of COOLI Khan,  (  once really a Cooli, a porter  ; ) later his name was converted to KULI Khan.  ( It's no harm whether he once worked as a porter or whatever ; ) but the fact remains that to make a better living, he accepted the ' services ' of the British intelligence Servive.

He used to SPY for the British &#38; against  the Pathans &#38;  Agahans, The British have written very lovingly about his ' exploits ' especially when he helped in rescuing a British girl kidnapped by the tribals as a revenge for a wrong done by the British on those tribals. An urdu film was also made on the subject, in Pakistan, way back in early 60 's.

She was the daughter of a British official then serving in the N.W.F.P,&#38; after negotiations through Cooli Khan, she was left  un-harmed. During her captivity, she was very well looked after, like the Talibans did , to the British woman journalist, after catching her in a burqah. So much so, that everybody knows that she was so much impressed by the Talibans, that she converted to Islam, on her own.

I wrongly wrote his name as Ali cooli, as above,. I am sorry for the error.His name was something else, but he came to be known as Cooli Khan. He had three sons ( as much that  I know , ) namely  Aslam Khan Khattak &#38; Yusaf khan Khattak, later both Muslim League Politicans. 

The third was  Habibullah Khan khattak ; who joined the army &#38; rose later to the rank of  Lt :General. His son Ali kuli, also joined the army, was a 
course-mate of Pervez Musharaf in P.M.A Kakul ,&#38;  where he stayed only for six months ; &#38; being an outstanding cadet, he was selected for remainder training of two years, at British Military Academy, at Sanhurst, England. he also rose to the rank of a Lt ; General.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember latest music score &#8216; Hum Dekhain Gae &#8216; ?  Phir  Loag Dekhain Gae,  Ke Kia Hashar Barpa Hota  Hae Oon Qom Ke Thaikae Daron Ka ? </p>
<p>Since i am from N.W.F.P, I  know somewhat about the life story  of COOLI Khan,  (  once really a Cooli, a porter  ; ) later his name was converted to KULI Khan.  ( It&#8217;s no harm whether he once worked as a porter or whatever ; ) but the fact remains that to make a better living, he accepted the &#8216; services &#8216; of the British intelligence Servive.</p>
<p>He used to SPY for the British &amp; against  the Pathans &amp;  Agahans, The British have written very lovingly about his &#8216; exploits &#8216; especially when he helped in rescuing a British girl kidnapped by the tribals as a revenge for a wrong done by the British on those tribals. An urdu film was also made on the subject, in Pakistan, way back in early 60 &#8217;s.</p>
<p>She was the daughter of a British official then serving in the N.W.F.P,&amp; after negotiations through Cooli Khan, she was left  un-harmed. During her captivity, she was very well looked after, like the Talibans did , to the British woman journalist, after catching her in a burqah. So much so, that everybody knows that she was so much impressed by the Talibans, that she converted to Islam, on her own.</p>
<p>I wrongly wrote his name as Ali cooli, as above,. I am sorry for the error.His name was something else, but he came to be known as Cooli Khan. He had three sons ( as much that  I know , ) namely  Aslam Khan Khattak &amp; Yusaf khan Khattak, later both Muslim League Politicans. </p>
<p>The third was  Habibullah Khan khattak ; who joined the army &amp; rose later to the rank of  Lt :General. His son Ali kuli, also joined the army, was a<br />
course-mate of Pervez Musharaf in P.M.A Kakul ,&amp;  where he stayed only for six months ; &amp; being an outstanding cadet, he was selected for remainder training of two years, at British Military Academy, at Sanhurst, England. he also rose to the rank of a Lt ; General.</p>
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		<title>By: SnrCtzn</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-98969</link>
		<dc:creator>SnrCtzn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 14:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS are not for the common people, but for very high govt functionaries, like the President / PM etc, &#38; for landed classes awarded STATE LANDS &#38; TITLES.

Those State Lands &#38; Titles were awarded for various to the NATIVES, for their
'  SERVICES ' to the British Crown, during their, over-200 years British rule over the Indian sub-continent.

Their  ' Services ' included SPYING, FIGHTING in a WAR, whether Singularly  or Collectively; for BUYING OVER THE LOYALTIES, of the anti-British people, so on &#38; so forth.

These people were given titles, such as MIr Sahibs ( remember Mir Jaffer &#38; Mir Sadiq, of Bengal ? ) Khan Bahudar Sahibs, ( remember,K.B.  Ali Cooli Khan of the N.W.F.P ? ) Sardar Sahibs of Balochistan, Pir Sahibs of Sindh ?

Some times, apart  &#38; sometimes along with the titles, these great NATIVES
were awarded state lands, AS FAR AS EYES COULD SEE., or villages uopn villages, SURELY, NOT FROM THE POCKETS OF THE BRITISH RULERS.

Remember, Pir Pagara's interview in ' Nawa-i-Waqt ' a local Urdu newspaper,
in which he quoted a letter written by ' Sardar ' Shaukat Hayat, ( the CM of Congress Govt in Punjab, in mid 30 's, ) to Winston Churchill, the PM of England, asking what will happen to such ' DOGS , like himself, &#38; to other 
' Most Humble Obedient Servants ' in the future muslim country of ' Pakistan ' when Indian Congress leaders, like Sardar Patel  &#38; Jawaher Lal Nehru, were
crying hoarse, that once India gained Independence,they will take back ' such'
state lands &#38; titles from the ' natives. '

PM, Winston Churchill was quoted, by Pir Pagara, to have replied back, that nobody should  worry on such an account, because in the ' Land of the Pure '
which the British have intended to make, or the country called ' Pakistan '
IT WILL BE ENSURED, THAT NO LANDS ARE TAKEN BACK, ( or nobody  to be touched ) NOR ANY TAXES TO BE COLLECTED FROM THEM !

So if a BLOODY REVOLUTION has to come, it has to wipe off such privileged
classes, ; ONLY &#38; ONLY THEN, THE COMMONERS will come to  the fore,&#38; THEN  &#38; ONLY THEN,CAN THEY DEMAND FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS are not for the common people, but for very high govt functionaries, like the President / PM etc, &amp; for landed classes awarded STATE LANDS &amp; TITLES.</p>
<p>Those State Lands &amp; Titles were awarded for various to the NATIVES, for their<br />
&#8216;  SERVICES &#8216; to the British Crown, during their, over-200 years British rule over the Indian sub-continent.</p>
<p>Their  &#8216; Services &#8216; included SPYING, FIGHTING in a WAR, whether Singularly  or Collectively; for BUYING OVER THE LOYALTIES, of the anti-British people, so on &amp; so forth.</p>
<p>These people were given titles, such as MIr Sahibs ( remember Mir Jaffer &amp; Mir Sadiq, of Bengal ? ) Khan Bahudar Sahibs, ( remember,K.B.  Ali Cooli Khan of the N.W.F.P ? ) Sardar Sahibs of Balochistan, Pir Sahibs of Sindh ?</p>
<p>Some times, apart  &amp; sometimes along with the titles, these great NATIVES<br />
were awarded state lands, AS FAR AS EYES COULD SEE., or villages uopn villages, SURELY, NOT FROM THE POCKETS OF THE BRITISH RULERS.</p>
<p>Remember, Pir Pagara&#8217;s interview in &#8216; Nawa-i-Waqt &#8216; a local Urdu newspaper,<br />
in which he quoted a letter written by &#8216; Sardar &#8216; Shaukat Hayat, ( the CM of Congress Govt in Punjab, in mid 30 &#8217;s, ) to Winston Churchill, the PM of England, asking what will happen to such &#8216; DOGS , like himself, &amp; to other<br />
&#8216; Most Humble Obedient Servants &#8216; in the future muslim country of &#8216; Pakistan &#8216; when Indian Congress leaders, like Sardar Patel  &amp; Jawaher Lal Nehru, were<br />
crying hoarse, that once India gained Independence,they will take back &#8216; such&#8217;<br />
state lands &amp; titles from the &#8216; natives. &#8216;</p>
<p>PM, Winston Churchill was quoted, by Pir Pagara, to have replied back, that nobody should  worry on such an account, because in the &#8216; Land of the Pure &#8216;<br />
which the British have intended to make, or the country called &#8216; Pakistan &#8216;<br />
IT WILL BE ENSURED, THAT NO LANDS ARE TAKEN BACK, ( or nobody  to be touched ) NOR ANY TAXES TO BE COLLECTED FROM THEM !</p>
<p>So if a BLOODY REVOLUTION has to come, it has to wipe off such privileged<br />
classes, ; ONLY &amp; ONLY THEN, THE COMMONERS will come to  the fore,&amp; THEN  &amp; ONLY THEN,CAN THEY DEMAND FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS !</p>
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		<title>By: yahya</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-98777</link>
		<dc:creator>yahya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Constitution of Pakistan guarantees freedom to profess religious beliefs and manage religious institutions (Article 20), protection of minorities and safeguard of their legitimate interests and rights. (Article 36) and safeguard against discrimination in the services (Article 27). However, in complete contradiction, the article 41 (2) states, </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Constitution of Pakistan guarantees freedom to profess religious beliefs and manage religious institutions (Article 20), protection of minorities and safeguard of their legitimate interests and rights. (Article 36) and safeguard against discrimination in the services (Article 27). However, in complete contradiction, the article 41 (2) states,</p>
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		<title>By: Gul</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-98648</link>
		<dc:creator>Gul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Article 20 (a) afford the right to a previously mulim citizen to profess him/herself non muslim without fear of retribution?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Article 20 (a) afford the right to a previously mulim citizen to profess him/herself non muslim without fear of retribution?</p>
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		<title>By: sal</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-98637</link>
		<dc:creator>sal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: @taimurdar

Do you not see the contradiction in the phrase, "Imposing Shariah"?

If Islam requires that your intentions are far more important than the actions and the words. That if you help someone just for show or pray only to impress the crowd, your prayers and all your good deeds are meaningless in the eyes of God. Why then would God want to impose or force upon you his laws? Doesn't God say that if he wanted everyone to be Muslim and a certain way, he could have simply done that.

Islam is the true religion and a true religion is perfect and does not need to be forced on others. Forcing Islam even on the Muslims will make its followers push back. What good is Shariah if it can only be followed if under the threat of violence. Do you think Allah wants to force you to believe in his laws? If that were the case then intentions would have no meaning in Islam. But the fact remains that Islam is all about what is in your heart not what's on the outside. Praying five times a day at gun point will not earn you a place in Jannah, nor will it save the bearded Taliban pointing the gun at you.

Our constitution is an excellent document. The first chapter deals with the fundamental rights and it is similar to the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: @taimurdar</p>
<p>Do you not see the contradiction in the phrase, &#8220;Imposing Shariah&#8221;?</p>
<p>If Islam requires that your intentions are far more important than the actions and the words. That if you help someone just for show or pray only to impress the crowd, your prayers and all your good deeds are meaningless in the eyes of God. Why then would God want to impose or force upon you his laws? Doesn&#8217;t God say that if he wanted everyone to be Muslim and a certain way, he could have simply done that.</p>
<p>Islam is the true religion and a true religion is perfect and does not need to be forced on others. Forcing Islam even on the Muslims will make its followers push back. What good is Shariah if it can only be followed if under the threat of violence. Do you think Allah wants to force you to believe in his laws? If that were the case then intentions would have no meaning in Islam. But the fact remains that Islam is all about what is in your heart not what&#8217;s on the outside. Praying five times a day at gun point will not earn you a place in Jannah, nor will it save the bearded Taliban pointing the gun at you.</p>
<p>Our constitution is an excellent document. The first chapter deals with the fundamental rights and it is similar to the Bill of Rights in the US Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Imran</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-98625</link>
		<dc:creator>Imran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am skeptical about article 20 if that is really in place</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am skeptical about article 20 if that is really in place</p>
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		<title>By: Shahabj</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-98585</link>
		<dc:creator>Shahabj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@taimurdar
Would you define Shariat? I am sure its not the theology that illiterate mullahs and fanatics use for their own supremacy. Islam is against using force and they make one or other excuse to use it.  Islam wants to educate men and women and they dont want it since its against their jahil culture. They desreve sever punishment for bringing bad name to us and our religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@taimurdar<br />
Would you define Shariat? I am sure its not the theology that illiterate mullahs and fanatics use for their own supremacy. Islam is against using force and they make one or other excuse to use it.  Islam wants to educate men and women and they dont want it since its against their jahil culture. They desreve sever punishment for bringing bad name to us and our religion.</p>
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		<title>By: taimurdar</title>
		<link>http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/03/constitution-articles-11-to-20/#comment-98579</link>
		<dc:creator>taimurdar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you people are talking about eliminating the SHARIAT imposing people in their region!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you people are talking about eliminating the SHARIAT imposing people in their region!</p>
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