Pakistan People’s Party co-chairman, Asif Ali Zardari has been elected as new president of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan on Saturday. Asif Ali Zardari is Pakistan’s 11th since 1956, when the country became a republic, excluding acting presidents.
The voting process was held through a secret ballot by the two chambers of the national parliament, the National Assembly and Senate and the four provincial assemblies.
Let see what changes pakistan will have and which way Pakistan will go.
“It’s not as bad as it looks — it’s much worse,” politician Imran Khan says. “Here we were hoping for a transition to democracy. Now we’ll have an even more incompetent dictatorship.”
Zinda Hay Bhutto Zinda Hay
Lpng Live Democracy
So when President Mr. Asif Ali Zardari are taking oath of his office and who is in the guest list. Also are we allowed to raise following slogans in the presidential house or is it against the decorum?
aur haan aiwan-e-sadar mein bhangra daalnay kee ijazat ha ya nahi?
Bhutto day naaray wajjan gay
Zinda hai BB zinda hay
Tum kitnay bhutto maaroo gay
aiwan-e-sadar say bhutton niklay ga
what is the point of oath when he is not going to follow it anyway
PPP now has absolute power (kun fa ya kun). They have their PM, President and Chief Justice. Zardari has become the most powerful person in the history of Pakistan. He has out smarted all other politicians. In my view, people got what they deserve.
@calypse
your statement is true for the establishment goons , for the elected president following is truer..
what is the point of verbal oath when he has taken the same oath by heart…
THE DARKEST DAY IN THE HISTORY OF PAKISTAN
WHERE IS OUR KHUMEINI?????
From the hubby/widower of BB to President of Pakistan.
He has to wait 21 years to find his own identity on the graves of his wife, brother-in-law & father-in-law.
Now we should better start asking for forgiveness as we are so are our leaders…
This is the darkest day i the histry of Pakistan n no she will shattr in pieces.
@calyps
what is the point of oath when he is not going to follow it anyway
lolz!!!!well said…..very right…..
DARKEST DAY IN THE HISTORY OF PAKISTAN……
There is no need to depress our selves everyone. Its not as bad. Zardari was as powerful before now only his responsiblites have increased. But if you want democracy then we have to go by the standards of democracy. That is civility, acceptance, etc. And learn to live within a system even if we dont like it.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E0D8123CF932A15752C0A9679C8B63
2000 US General Election
George Bush: 47.9%
Al Gore: 48.4%
Shall I say any more. This is democracy. Do you want it?
Congrats to Pakistani nation on taking another step toward transition to full democracy!
A gaya bhai a gaya zardari cheeemi a gaya
Cha gaya bhai Cha gaya Janjal poora cha gaya
Inna lillahe wa inna ilahe rajioon!
@Sana
And God said, “You messing with me, p!gs? I’ll show you what messing around really is!”
@maikolachi
“George Bush: 47.9%
Al Gore: 48.4%
Shall I say any more. This is democracy. Do you want it?”
First of all you are making the faulty assumption that Al Gore would have some how been better. No this is not democracy. This is selection by electoral college or else Al Gore would be president today. And we already have it worst:
Zardari popular vote: 0.0000%
S Siddiqu: 0.0000%
Mushahid: 0.0000%
So, no thank you
Lovethe SkyNews headline:
Bhutto’s Widow Wins Presidency
@nota
Zardari popular vote: 0.0000%
S Siddiqu: 0.0000%
Mushahid: 0.0000%
very Weldon my friend…..i agree with u……
Despite being totally against Zardari, i dont think its as bad as people are making it. Afterall he is given majority vote.
On the other hand, what is neglected in all this process is actually one of the worst incidences in Pakistan history i.e. oath of SC judges. Now noone in Pakistan will have courage to stand against dictators.
These respectable judges have literally been humiliated. And we have yet again proved that boot licking is always held in high esteem.
Mr Zardari, 53, was known as a polo-playing playboy in his younger days…….
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Pakistan-Benazir-Bhuttos-Widow-Asif-Ali-Zardari-Wins-Presidency/Article/200809115094145?
Congratulation, Jubilation as Clif Richard Sang but as famous saying also in URDU “ABHI IMTHAN AUR BHI HAIN” as anaylists are clearly saying this was democratic process which is to be any how & any manner resolved but the major point to ponder is within just 6 to 7 months tentatively liking or disliking of the nation before the PPP as all the absolute power are being enjoyed by this Party. Time will tell ABSOLUTE POWER IS PROVED ABSOLUTE CORRUPT OR SOMETHING POSITIVE MEASURES ARE GOING TO BE PERFORMED.
It reminds me ex president’s last words ” PAKISTAN KA ALLAH HAFIZ”
Mr 10% sai presedent ka safar…….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/09/080906_asif_profile_as.shtml
once a cheater always a cheater
Instead of being negative on Zardari, I am sure most people who come here and post are pro democratic, so guys lets be happy because he has been elected by the majority and we have to accept the majority’s decision.
Congratulation Asif for being the democratic president of Pakistan, I wish him best of luck!!
what do expect from the black sheep of the PPP???
Definitely the darkest day in the history of Pakistan second only to fall of Dhaka. It is such a shame, the country desereved better, much better.
Alas, we missed the bus again!!!!
Meri qaum ne khudkashi ka faisla bohat sooch samajh kar kiya hai.
Look at Millions dancing in streets. I will not come back to help such a stupid nation. I advise same to all of you. This nation deserves such ba$$$tard.
Fools rush in where angels fear to tread(walk).
Quran says Allah imposes on you rulers which resemble you
@sic5770
“he has been elected by the majority ”
No matter how many times you repeat this lie, it will continue to be a LIE!
BRIGHTER DAYS TO COME from Sunday forecasted, if Saturday was termed as the Darkest day by some …
Let’s hope that the WORST is OVER !
Work TOGETHER for Progress of Pakistan, not against each other.
We need to Think and CONTRIBUTE Positively and Constructively to stand against OUTSIDE forces.
TOGETHER we STAND, divided we FALL.
Good Luck to a NEW, democratic Pakistan!
sic5770
He is definitely elected democratically, however he will still not be constitutional head of State by virtue of taking oath from Doggar, the illegal occupier of Supreme Court. And most people who come here and 86% Pakistanis overall do not consider Doggar a constitutional CJ. Therefor, we should also accept this majority’s decision.
According to a recent poll 87% of Pakistanis want to see Iftikhar Chaudhry (IMC) restored as the CJ of Pakistan. That puts AZ’s approval rating at 13%.
The mandate of current assemblies is slipping fast. By the end of the year it would have expired completely as the approval numbers will slip into single digits.
Pakistan is anything but a democrarcy. Once MNAs/MPAs are elected they tell people to shut up and do as they feel, like Q-league and PPP. They should have respected the mandate of the people who elected these people to restore the CJP Iftikhar Chaudhry. 170 million people of Pakistan have been robbed by AZ and PPP who have refused honor the aspirations of the people.
USA approval for Zardari?
The elevation of Mr. Zardari to the presidency, where he will have great powers, including the ability to dissolve Parliament and name the head of the Pakistani Army, comes with the tacit approval of the United States.
Mr. Zardari has promised a tougher fight against the Taliban and Al Qaeda extremists ensconced in the nation’s tribal areas, from which they mount assaults on American and NATO troops fighting in Afghanistan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/07/world/asia/07zardari.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
I am not pro PPP, pro Zardari ( In fact, I hate all feudals), but I still support Zardari because he has been elected by the people who were choosen by the people of Pakistan.
MQM must have set the record by giving their votes to two different presidents within one year.
anyone knows what %age votes Ghaddari got from Punjab Assembley? as this will determine whether PPP will form govt in punjab too?
AZ defeated in Punjab, gets 22/65 electoral college votes, he just got 33% of the votes in Punjab assembly.
@someone
quote
Mr. Zardari has promised a tougher fight against the Taliban and Al Qaeda extremists ensconced in the nation’s tribal areas, from which they mount assaults on American and NATO troops fighting in Afghanistan
this means he is a real Ghaddar? and tougher fight is meant against the people of (NorthWest) Pakistan….shame on us for voting a ghaddar to the seat of president…
Well whatever people say but we have to accept that Zardari is president of Pakistan.
He got more than 90% of votes in 3 provinces … may be people dont like him but people might have voted him because they hate the other party more than him.
I am happy because now NS will shut his mouth forever …
Zardari got 123 and Saeed 201 and Mushahid 36. Hope that makes it clear.
@kruman
thanks
@sic,
You have no idea what democracy is. This is not democracy, it is a sham democracy. 87% want IMC restored as CJ of Pakistan. Only 13% people approve of AZ. And yet the ‘elected representatives’ refuse to heed the voice of the people.
Dacoit AZ trounced in Punjab:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7600917.stm
Only secures a shameful 33%. Enters the pres house with a 13% approval rating. Hence one can say that where Musharraf ended, AZ is already there at the start of his tenure.
Good Luck Pakistan
The headline here should be Bhutto’s widower become president of Pakistan not Zardari become president of Pakistan. Who is zardari.
Soon we will be hearing the slogans
Bhutto day naaray wajjan gay
Zinda hai BB zinda hay
Zinda hai Zardari Zinda hay
Tum kitnay bhutto maaroo gay
aiwan-e-sadar say bhutton niklay ga
and after few more years..
Bhutto day naaray wajjan gay
Zinda hai BB zinda hay
Zinda hai Zardari Zinda hay
Zinda hai Bilawal Zinda hay
Tum kitnay bhutto maaroo gay
aiwan-e-sadar say bhutton niklay ga
I guess the jiyalas have no answer to the 13% approval rating for Asif Zardari.
Sorry to have spoiled your celebrations.
Why dont you guys open a forum and sing a song of Sharif brothers. You only see posts against Mush, MQM, PPP, Mullahs, ANP and all political parties except one …
Are you doing good to Pakistan by speaking against elected representitives all the time.
Its pity for you guys but good for Pakistan that Nawaz Sharif is only popular in Punjab ..
The most corrupt and mentally sick became the president of Pakistan
What else could be more unfortunate for a country when an under graduate person, who looted this country the most and who is suffering from dementia becomes its president by design.
DW pointed out long time ago that the up-and-coming PPP emperor was not by chance. It was by design. Nawaz Sharif was not acceptable at all. That’s why he was overthrown in the first place. Benazir knew too much and she couldn’t keep her mouth shut. Zardari was the option with many weaknesses to exploit and blackmail. The game plan started when the modern day colonialists realized that Mush cannot serve them any more as the army chief. The hands behind the plot to have rulers of the choice of UK and US was confirmed by July 29, 2007.
Benazir returned. She was silenced for ever. A wave of sympathy was generated for PPP. Morarchial nature of PPP was known and used to promote Zardari. Nawaz was delibrately kept out of elections. Imran and more than 30 other parties decided not to join the shame elections which were meant to legitimize Musharraf’s illegal and unconstitutional measures. It was absolutely not a levelled playing field for any political party. PPP was given a huge advantage, knowing full well that Benazir was not around and Zardari’s criminal past and his opportunistic nature could be exploited to the most in the coming days.
The reason Zardari sought presidency was evident. His credibility in Pakistan hit bottom rock. Soon after his retunr to Pakistan, Zardari started showing his colors. Zardari took a start with lies and deception and went to the extent of lying on the Quran in the short run to presidency.
There was no sympathy wave for Banazir, according to a survey when she made a deal with the tyrant. She was considered a collaborator rather than a democrat. One of her objectives to strike a deal with Mush was to unfreeze the millions of dollars in Swiss accounts. That is what the Musharraf regime did soon after. If a playing field was provided to Benazir and Nawaz, she would not have done better at all. Even an election TODAY will expose the myth of PPP’s majority and mandate.
CIA/Mossad Ambitions Behind Bhutto Assassination were not hidden. Mush- Benazir deal was predicted to produce “Gigantic Mafia.” That’s what it did. A coalition of swindlers, terrorists and thugs has already join hands and making fool to public. Today the godfather has become the president of Pakistan. Wait for tomorrow’s Pakistan.
Pakistan needs politicians from the grassroots, not the elite. Seeing Benazir’s daughters in the Assembly today, tells us that this family dynasty will continue and Pakistan will long for genuine democracy, which none has so far seen anywhere in the world. At the moment, the results of the colonial game for Pakistan are going exactly as planned. Mushrraf has to reap credit for the illegal and unconstituional NRO which facilitated criminals taking the reigns of Pakistan.
An honest opinion will tell us that even a sold-out Musharraf was better in power than the present gang of criminals. Not that it was honest or it mattered, but at the very least you could give Mush this benefit of the doubt, according to the ISI puppets on PTV, that he was not sincere to the warlords in Washington as he seemed. There is not even that sort of argument with ISI or anyone else to console themselves. The colonial game has blinded people to all the above facts. They are laughing, dancing and marching happily towards the inevitable doom.
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/index.php
A poet from Pakistan writes…….
Zardari ko dekha to aisa laga
Jese khana kharab,
Jese total azaab,
Jesey Aadi faqeer,
Jesay murda zameer,
Jese Naasoor ho koii sartaa howaa,
Ek zardari ko dekha to aisa laga,
Jese bijli ka taar
Jese khanjar ki dhaar,
Jesey dozakh ki aag,
Jesey zehrila naag,
Jese garmi ki dhoop
Jese shetan ka roop
God Bless Pakistan!
@Kruman
jyalas know well that they have just about 13% approval…..but
like their new leader they dont care about what people think…at the end of the day they have achieved presidency by US support not the support of people of pakistan…and sadly they seems to be proud of that!
those jyalas who are still shouting
‘Zinda hai BB zinda hay’
in case they dont realise she died about 6 months ago? and her Qatil are still at large….may be in and around the presidency!
This is so depressing!Aggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh! sorry folks just felt like screaming!..our President? such a slime ball ..Bibi will be turning in her grave..I dont think she wanted him to be a part of all this..my apologies I meant to say Shaheed mohtarma… Kinda got stuck in my throat..Agggggggghhhhhhhh!okay now throat cleared..thank God there’s noone around to see why I’ve become mental!What is going to happen to Pakistan ?And here I bring you back to the point..how depressing!
in these news it appears Daku Ghaddari will keep 2 posts…firstly co-chair of ZPP and secondly as President of Pakistan
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=54388
NS lovers have wonderful logical mind: If 87% are for re-instating the former CJP then only 13% approve of Zardari! lol! Sour losers!
By the way Parliament, including all provincial assemblies, are reflective of people’s will and mandate. Wait for next 5 years to prove them wrong. Until then as of now, PMLN has only 22% of approval (and that too in almost exclusively in Punjab) while Zardari has almost 70% approval. Now THAT is actually based on facts of democracy.
I am enjoying the day. I guess NS lovers are wishing for a military coup?!
So what happened to the zameer of our baigarat Shahs, Gillanis, Syeds etc politicians when they voted for Mr. 10%, Mr. NRO, a person from whom BB was keeping a distance for many years – she did not want him to take part in politics – she did not award him a seat in Pakistan to contest elections!!!
Let’s see how he provides Rooti, Kapra aur Makan to the ‘ghareeb’ awam whose $2billion he has eaten without a dakkar. He claimed that he did not got a vote on judiciary so let’s see now what was his agenda!
A sad day in PPPs history!
This guy is not only incompetent, he is also a liar, a thief and in a true sense of word ‘malicious’.
I can only pray for this country. We all hated Musharraf even for the good that he did and now we have this guy who does’nt know a word about the economy and foreign affairs . He is following Musharraf’s policies in the frontier west province and tribal areas and Pakistan is being DICTATED more than ever under his goofy prime minister… what a sad day for us all..
Today goodness and virtue is defeted and evil and injustice has won, how sad is this to watch and expirence that a criminal become a head of the state.
This is Pakistan , Oh People this is Pakistan
So, the supreme wh0re of ZPP, Zardari, has now officially become the supreme wh0re of Pakistan:-).
Ladies and gentlemen, please start taking your money and jewelary out of the banks because any valueable items that you have secured in the banks would be much safer in your own homes.
Zardari Lotera hai hai
Sad day, one of the darkest days in Pakistan’s history. Zardari ghaddari bud kiradri.
Congratulations to Zardari and his supporters!!!
The worst that we can do at this time to is go so far in our opposition to PPP/Zaradri as to become nostalgic for the military rule.
I hope that any one who calls him/herself a democratic would realise that for democracy to mature we must give it time. There will be times when it will appear that alternates to democracy are better. But, modern history has shown that in the long run democracy is the best system we can have.
Yes, by all means carry on the criticisms, put legitimate pressure, ask questions, even come on the streets and show your dispapproval of decisions nad policies but do not derail democarcy.
Pakistan today needs more not less democracy, even if it is weak and vulnerable.
all2human
People chose PPP so people willingly chose this death. I bet PPP will remain in power for long time. 20% educated sensible people will suffer thanks to illiterate majority that keeps voting for PPP.
One day Imran khan will get chance to bat in 50th over with 30 runs to win. It will be too late by then. Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!
The promise of roti Kapra and Makan shall be fulfilled.
There will be plenty of rotis bought with the swiss fund! Same goes with Kapra and Presidency is not a bad place for Makan especially when it is with the establishment and US support. Never mind the (100% – 13% ) pakis. They dont deserve any better.
Khomini is coming and lets wait for the day.
As “somone” once said PAKISTAN KA ALLAH he HAFIZ. Sounds like a saint!!!! Must be having a laugh!
I hate the guy but lets hope it brings some stability and eliminates uncertainty.
HAHAHA! this is just too good. you know when I went to Pakistan last summer, I was brainwashed by GEO TV into buying the Lal Masjid incident. I hated Musharraf’s guts, but now after democracy has arrived, i realize the GEO TV has spread fitna and fasaad in Pakistan and brought Zardari into power.
where is the judiciary? I know, they’ve sold themselves! where is Aitzaz Ahsan? I know, he lied! where is jamhooriat? I know, Zardari is the people’s mandate! congratulations everybody, the people of Pakistan will never even think about democracy again after the next coup!
^^^am I the only one who can see my comment? or has a mod deleted it?
Pakistan deserves better but Awaam do NOT. How dare 11 Million people drink PPP-poison and later blame Allah for result.
Pata nahi Allah hamari dua kion nahi sunta.
@RoshanKhiyal
“The headline here should be Bhutto’s widower become president of Pakistan”
I still think I prefer SkyNews headline
“Soon we will be hearing the slogans
Bhutto day naaray wajjan gay”
I think shameless @BJmistri started some time ago, in the process exposing himself fully. I guess he excitement was too much. Tonight he will be fantacizing you know what
jo Quran se mukar jaatay hein unhein oath se kiya faraq parta hai… moreover i feel ashamed and weird in saying… sadar-e-mumlikat Asif ali zardari.. .. wtf… i never thought it could possibly happen… nightmare coming true..
congratulations, democracy just kicked in!
Haha I just want to laugh at you miserable non-thankful Pakistanis… Kabhi khush na hona, har waqt mari hui baat karna… Everyone is bad isnt? Zardari bad, Saeed u zaman bad, Nawaz bad, PML-Q every one is bad… have you got any sense of ? Have you got a decision power? Or are you khotay? This is clean democracy… He won, and I would so prefer a civil dictator than a military zionist.
PPP have acheived a small goal, but in the long term they will suffer and if President Zardari continues to act the way he is, then the solgan would be ”ab nahi niklay ga phir bhutto, tum saray bhutto maar gaye” That would be the end of PPP and their so called naray baazi. I beleive in political system, let him play, inshahallah when zionist Generals couldnt ruin Pakistan I dont think he will do much.
There will be chance for everyone, and please Pakistanio learn the difference between good and bad… Within minutes one man is hero and the other is zero. I beleive a lot of political parties in Pakistan will loose out including MQM, ANP & JUI-F… I beleive PML-N will acheive alot from it, they were successful in Punjab, Zardari couldnt show strength there.
We all know he is a bad man, but he is a president now and through democracy. You want to defeat him you defeat him democratically. In my views PML-N are playing very defensive and smart. I was glad that they did not shake hands with PML-Q as the party is breaking without a need of hammer or dollar (in Zardari’s case lol)
Pakistan Zindabad
Baat Too Sach Hay….Magar…Baat hay Ruswayee Ki.
Sindh Assembly gave 100 percent votes to the person you hate
B
@H.K.Afridi
People of Pakistan have vert short memory.Zardari’s popularity will not stay more than a year and propaganda will take over every thing.Look at NS 2/3 majority in the Parliament and what happend just after two years.Not only this but when NS was sent back to Saudi Arabia from Islamabad Airport,Not even a single person came out in the streets of Lahore to protest(As per BBC).NS is not playing cards wisely (IMO).
He even does not know what the politics is.
Any way,AZ is democratically elected president now and he has a chance to clear peoples mind about his misperception.I beleive all these three are same i.e. NS,Chaudaries and Zardari.
Imran Khan should be given a chance.
Baluchistan and NWFP also voted for Zardari
National Assembly and Senate also voted for Zardari
What else you want?
I think you people don’t believe in democracy you are mini dictators
Congratulations citizens. Now we have elected a illiterate convict as our President!
Time to consider that even a President should be chosen by the people. One man one vote. Not the thieves that we have in our Parliment. It shows again they will sell there own mothers to stay in power.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Today I feel ashamed to be a Pakistani although it would be worthwhile to ponder, have we gotten what we deserve?
Being an overseas Pakistani, today I am more than willing to renounce my Pakistani citizenship.
*hangs head in shame and stomps the green passport…*
BB gave many gift’s to Zardari and the BB’s last gift was NRO for Zardari. BB was a good housewife, she done a lot for her husband.Even she sacrifice her life for Zardari. Pheechay Rah Gyaee Yee Awam Joo Ye Sab Tamasha Daikhtee Rahi.
Today it was a defeat of Establishment,Zia Bakiat and Yellow Journalism.
Another darkest day for Ziaist murderers.
Nation has spoken through their elected representatives against. These children of Yazeed cannot listen the voice of people.
They should go and see people spitting in JABRA CHOWK despite being in the centre of Ziast stronghold. In contrast go to remote desert village of Ghari Khuda Baksh and graves of Bhutto are alive.
Sadiq Ashq Jinhan Day Bahoo
Qabr Unhan Di Jeevay
TUM KITNAY BHUTTO MAARO GAY – HER GHAR SAY BHUTTO NIKLAY GA
BHAIYO KHABAR HAI KEH ISLAMABAD MAIN ZALZALW KE JHATKE MEHSOOS KIYE GAI HAIN
MR HUNDRED PERCENT [100%] PAKISTAN
Muzaffar Mansoor
Solicitor of the Supreme Court of England & Wales
Congratulations to Mr Asif Zardari who in spite of several odds and opposition has today proved to be Mr 100% Pakistan by land slide victory all over Pakistan as a new elected president of Pakistan. He has therefore binned the allegations of Mr 10% and or 20% all together.
One learns from experience and repentance if Mr Zardari has done so it is too good for Pakistan and its teaming population and if he continues playing tricks and or betraying as often alleged by opposition and coalition partners no good for Pakistan.
Mr 100% along with his PPP has repeatedly promised to re-establish 1973 Constitution in its original form and guarantee independence of Judiciary. As this is a desire of every Pakistani that he / she be treated equally as a citizen of Pakistan. This no doubt could be achieved unless there is the rule of law and respect of the judiciary and justice system based on equality as a citizen and no one above the law in Pakistan. To achieve this there is a greater need for the respect of each others’ opinion and religious beliefs to live and allow others to live.
If Mr 100% Pakistan along with his PPP are sincere and honest in their desire to achieve this then they must think twice and repeal all laws which directly indirectly discriminate and compromise equality as citizens of Pakistan before law. There should be no fear of discrimination whatsoever for any citizen in Pakistan because of his race, religion, political opinion and or ethnicity. The majority should not impose their interpretation of their ideas and religious believes and interpretations on others who may opt to differ or have their own view and there should be exercised maximum courage to respect others. This is the key to what should be demanded by Pakistanis now from the government.
Nothing could be achieved unless Pakistanis are sincere and honest to each other as citizens for the unity of the nation as a whole. The real problem in Pakistan is terrorism so called religious parties in the name of Islam as no two Pakistani Muslims can sit together because of their differing beliefs interpretations and selfish interests. Our religious leaders in Pakistan whom Pakistanis consider beacon of light they have themselves allowed fallen foul of the exploitation of religion and divide and rule policy leading into sectarianism, no good for Pakistan. A Pakistani Muslim is cutting throat of others to dominate and attain power why cannot we live and allow others to live in peace and harmony. Many have been butchered today in Peshawar, a big question by whom?
I hope Pakistanis unite to fight and shun any shape and form of terrorism in the name of religion instigated by so-called Mullahs and or religious leaders who teach for to destroy the fabric of peace and unity. This is only possible if Pakistanis stand up and firmly decide to repeal all those laws which incite discrimination, intolerance and violence against each other in the name of religion, otherwise forget establishment of the 1973 Constitution in its original form and or independence of judiciary Mr 100% and the PPP are advocating along with its coalition in streets of Pakistan today in the name of restoration of democracy and judges.
If Muhmad Shah Rangeela could become king of India then why not Zardari.
But one thing I am very happy about today is that Punjab gave him only 33 percent votes. Mr Zardari the majority of the majority province have rejected you and you would never be able to say that you represent the federation of Pakistan. In fact you would never be federation of Pakistan.
To all those MNAs MPAs and Senators who voted for Zardari – Allah would never forgive you for sealing the fate of Pakistan and bringing the darkest day to this nation. You dont realise that today you have laid the first brick of break up of Pakistan.
Allah ki Laanat ho on all those who voted for Zardari – shame on you all.
Baluch and Pashtun and Sindhi all the time cry that they havent been given the rights and now they have helped to elect a person who is worse person for this seat. No doubt they are still being ruled by Waderas, Sardars and Maliks – and they dont care about Pakistan. Only Punjab showed wisdom today in not voting for this snake.
If now economy goes down and law and order becomes worse then these very provinces would be responsible and now they neither blame Pakistan Army nor Punjab at all.
c hussain
sorry to say bro, i can smell regionalism in your comments, very bad, hamid mir rightly pointed out that in his programe today. Punjab always have different tendencies then the rest of pakistan. for a fact 90% of corrupt population belongs to punjab, whether they are police, bureaucracy, military etc etc, yet they still claim to be pious and righteous. Even from the Dhaka fall they haven’t learned anything. The guy with a new hairdo who was corupt of corrupt came back and started yelling judiciary judiciary but do he believe in judiciary? never. two of the prime minister one sitting and one ex were killed in punjab, was it a coincedance?. I think Punjab is the greatest supporter of dictatorship as yesterday and today SMS campaign was launched against zardari.
very bad very bad.
@chussain,
Urban Punjab is not Mama of Paklistan. Zardari got a large number of votes from Punjab too. His votes from Punjab (combined) are much more than other candidates.
The stinking thinking of Punjabi elite is extremely racist and class centric. They never accepted mandate of Bengalies who were majority, how can they accept smaller provinces and Kashmir?
Punjabi elite never accepted the mandate of Punjab in past. Bhutto Shaheed had a huge base in urban Punjab. Did Punjabi elite in business and establishment accet that mandate? PPP is still very strong in Punjab. Zia and then GIK, NS, Mush took 30 years of lies and propaganda to twist minds of Punjabies. I hope in next few years PPP will get its position back in Punjab as well.
BTW: I am a Punjabi nationalist but that does not mean I am superior to Sindhies, Kashmiries, Balochies and Pathans.
President Zardari has shown that he has a strong support from every part of the federation. That makes him a true leader of the nation.
@mynewpc
“BHAIYO KHABAR HAI KEH ISLAMABAD MAIN ZALZALW KE JHATKE MEHSOOS KIYE GAI HAIN”
Establishment and Ziaists are shaking with fear.
KISS SHER KI AAMID HAY KEH RUN KAANP RAHA HAY
@ManglaBaba
Quote ‘I am a Punjabi nationalist…….’
bro sounds like u r from indian punjab? amratsar is it? sardars?
Future of remaining Pakistan is cloudy.Non of the candidate is fit to become the President of Pakistan. Selection or election of presidential candidate through Senate, National & Provincial Assemblies resulted due to lack of unity among the punjabis.Zardari’s image & character is controversial within and out of country. So I can not expect any good from PPPP.Nation should get ready to face some think like DUM-A-DUM MUST QALANDER or for a revolution
@MalangBaba
do you have any sense any rational in your comments? why are jiyalas behave like mad dogs?
when ur senses will restore then rethink about ziaism and then it will be reveal to you (if u have a hint of sense and rational) that the only part that supported ziaism, dictatorship is your party… ur party betrayed with the people of pakistan by:
1- not restoring the judiciary
2- accepting the Dogar as the CJ
3- trying to indemnify Mush
4- allowing US forces to kill people of pakistan in our own teritory.
please for God sake… stop chanting those ugly and useless slogans and come up with something rational… in my eyes all PPPPz people are corrupt and betrayers like ur co-chairman who made promise in the presence of Quran and then betrayed blatantly… what a shameless character you and ur party has…
and do you think that “Urban Punjab is not Mama of Paklistan.” is not a racist statement?
From 10% to 100%. Ascent of a President
Nuclear-Armed Pakistan found their 12th president in the shape of consistently deceiving and heroic corrupt figure of slain Bhutto widower Asif Ali Zardari.
BREAKING NEWS::
“Pakistani Nukes for SALE in international underground market as a gambler takes over the presidency in pakistan”
ab pakistan ka allah hi hafiz
now u should know who assassinated BB and hijack a nation-wide political party.
@nota, @jinara,
You are missing the point my friend. The point is
To be magnanimous in defeat and to live within the system even though sometimes the system is not working correctly.
Most people on this site really do not want democracy, I think they just want NS there. The person who went through all the trouble to remove the 8th amendment so he could appoint the service chiefs and then with his first appointment he gave us Musharraf. You figure.
480 votes by the elected representatives, what else do you want.
friends why we don’t look in other way. zardari’s presidency is blessing in disguise.if he proves himself good for pakistan, its good otherwise this is the last chance for ppp to come in power he won’t be able to enjoy his time by playing polo or the rest things he used to do.lets be vigilent and he is not a sacred cow we can grab him any time.
Behind the curtain who is pleading Asif Zardari – Zardari Limited Co.
http://www.attocknews.com/content/view/626/168/
@mansoor chaudhry
you are under estimating the jiyalas my friend. They will always vote for PPPP no matter whatever happens
when u see Zardari, and when he is smiling, it shows “No Mercy” might it my misunderstanding, or its really looks like that. What i think i will not let anybody live. All his opposition will be in Jail or in grave. you will see.
Allah forbid.
@mansoor, agree 100%. Let him produce and let him run the country for a full five years.
@mya, the only reason there are these jiyalas is becuase of the victim mentality of the PPP. They are put in jail, get someone killed of their own. And that is their biggest qualification.
congrtulations to all democracy lovers.
does any one know if NS has congratulated Mr. Zardari?
Let us see if democracy succeeds this time.County is in a mess as usual. Every tomorrow is worst than yesterday. Nawaz tried desperately for the ppp government to fail by being in and out and wild threats. PPP must now work alone and should never trust Nawaz. Hamid Mir seems to be supporting Imran again and again. Imran is a failed politician. He said enough nonsense against Zardari. Hamid Mir has biased opining and the way of his questioning is supportive to theones he like. Bad for impartial journalism.
God save Pakistan from Talibans and Fundamentalist.
I don’t like AZ but I accept him to be a legitimate president of Pakistan and unlike those FA pass second divisioner generals he didn’t use tanks to occupy that slot. I also have many doubts about his abilities to bring country out of disaster but we at least should give him a chance to prove himself. Remember he took the office willingly and knowingly that he still is a bloody civilian and nobody will be giving him a guard of honor when he is kicked out.
To Zia’s ramnents and NS lovers,
Instead of tankeed barai tankeed, you should have the courage to face democracy. I don’t personally like AZ and think he has hijacked PPP by a BBs ‘wasiat’ (Which is not obviously Quran or Hadith). But PPP had no choice except to follow him till they find a suitable replacement. I am glad that we are on the path of democracy except if its not foreign powers chaal to destablize Pakistan.
It is democracy and zaradari won by people’s vote. I hate zardari dacoit but atleast we should show patience not 8 years but one year atleast. If we can give 8 years to dictator then why not to zardari. If he do well , he will suceed otherwise “Naam bhi na hoga dastano main es zardari ka”……. patience guys
We should also remember that for the first time in Pakistan’s post 9/11 history, the supplies to nato were halted for some time on an excuse of security concerns. It must have brought a cold shiver in nato’s spine because without this secure route they are dead as a horse. Just wait and see how President AZ behaves next.
@Sjunejo,
to (daddy) ayub’s aulaad and daco zardari followers…
democracy does not mean that whatever u do is right and everything is being appreciated by the people of pakistan. Pakistan has given majority to PPPP but not to zardari daco. the same mistake was done by PMLQ when they re-elected Mush kutta (and people were in a shock)… the same thing is happening again… a prty who has been given the majority of the vote have successfully elected the most controversial person of the pakistan. things could not have been worse than that…
lets wait and see what this docao will do to the pakistan and how long people will be able to cope with him…
i want to ask this question to all PPPP jiyalas that why everyone accepted Yousaf raza gillani as prime minister? why there was not such kind of rant in international and domestic press? why suddenly (so called) “Ziaist” has awakened to oppose zardari. why PPPP could not find a non controversial candidate for the supreme position in Pakistan?
oh yes i must admit that i dont like him but he is legitimate president of pakistan. no question about that… the only quesiton is about his elegibility though
So a hated figure and a liar figure becomes President?
I am sure all of those who wanted Musharraf to go are now having regrets.
Another colonialists’ plan materialized: The most corrupt and mentally sick became the president of Pakistan
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6008&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
Election Article 41(2) says as following:
A person shall not be qualified for election as President unless he is a Muslim of not less than forty-five years of age and is qualified to be elected as member of the National Assembly. Article 62 narrates qualification and clause (d) says that he is of good character.
Zardari a good character? What a joke. He is a crook to say the least. God knows how this person became head of Pakistan.
Those who thought PPP is finished after sudden demise of BB are in deep shock how asif zardari revived ppp and made it one of the most powerful party of pakistan.
All PPP supporters and well wishers salute him on this achievement.JObola tha wo kur dekhaya… tomorrow in president house we will here GA BHUTTO…
well done once again asif zardari…
PAKISTAN KHAPAY
ZINDA HAI BB ZINDA HAI!
others keep crying over spilt milk…specialy nawaz sharif and family
LONG LIVE PAKISTAN…..
NS has already congratulated President-Elect Asif Zardari according to the Jang update at 1730. The oath taking ceremony will be held tomorrow at 10:00AM , I wish NS to be there however I believe he is leaving for england tomorrow.
BTW PPP has developed this habit of ridiculing the “educated and know-alls” of land of pure , last I remember Asif Zardari went from Adyala Jail to Aiwan-e-Sadar to take oath as minister , this time he decided to go their as resident.
Unfortunately though establishment is also expert in humiliating the democrats of this country by always getting some b**tard out their in the aiwan-e-sadar for 8-10 years every now and then.
BTW I am waiting for the oath taking ceremony of President Asif Zardari as it will break another myth of establishment. Over the years from the times of Fazal Elahi Chaudary somehow this “sacred” building had become a symbol of establishment’s might and power. I am sure that with AZ in it we are going to see jiyalas chanting slogans of Jiye Bhutto in their…. I am trying to recall Faiz’s verse for this occasion…
……..
No body regrets musharraf departure he was a brutal dictator.from karachi to khybar ppl of pakistan voted for PPP.They have given PPP right to rule this country for next 5 years.its our right to have prime minister and president of pakistan office.No party can compete PPP in people supp
ort .This is the beauty of democracy LONG LIVE DEMOCRACY
LONG LIVE PAKISTAN
GA BHUTTO
@Ijay
i agree with u ppp should be given their right to govern this country nothing gonna happen to this country Inshallah
the aim of all the goveronments is to develop punjab n dats going on no matters pushtoons dies or Baluch.
anyways NS is not the leader of pakistan but Nawaz league is only punjab and they r in power over there.
Pakistan tera tu Allah Hi Hafiz
word of wisdom for nawaz sharif
Please get rid of advisors like khuwaja asif and ihsan iqbal choudry nisar they are your open enemy and responsible mistrust between PMLN and PPP.Bring ppl like saad rafique and makhdon javed hashmi who are more friendly and peaceful person with open mind.
long live democracy
Even a sold-out Musharraf was better in power than the present gang of criminals.
Ijay
any words of wisdon for AZ? what type of advisors should he have….salman taseer? sherry rehman? rehman malik? and faruq naik?
and also any words of wisdom for running presidency…follow the oath or since its not quran or hadith dont follow it? follow quran and hadith instead then? when u make a written promise follow it or not?
AOA Everyone!
As usual most people on this forum are pi$$ed off coz of PPP’s government.
But I would like to congratulate every one to elect a president of Pakistan after a long time!
Let’s hope and pray for better.
I can only comment that zardari will be singing today
Jo bacha tha woh lutanay k liya aayee hain
aakhri loot maar kernay k liya aayee hain hum
This is ever worst time of the history of pakistan when the looter, robber, docait and black sheep becomes a president of pakistan.
My anoter friend said on this forum that he is the one of the strongest politcal person in this time and i must tell you he will be only one who will definately split out one united PAKISTAN.
please note down my words somewher on diary because he is no concern with the peoples and the problems of pakistan. he shouldnt become a president of pakistan bcz president represent nation and out nation is 1000000 times good than Mr 100% (Now) Zardari.
My whole believe and faith is floating right now. Isn’t the month of Ramadan being the month of blessings?
@ Jiyalas: Don’t tell me that he’s God’s gift for the Pak muslim Umma for Ramadan.
All NS supporters are unhappy !!! WHY ???
NS claims to be a democratic politician, So why he and his supporters are unhappy now ???
The truth is the NS and his supporters don’t believe in democratic process, They want to have their control on everything like NS had in the past when Mush kicked his a$$.
NS is no better than Zardari, they both are same and only difference is that one is in power and other is not.
Are Pakistanis blind? Are they dumb or, are they dead?
Can a man be credible President, who forgot about his million pounds house in London for years, don’t remember which college he graduated from, don’t remember $3.6 million in his Swiss account which Swiss government confiscated and don’t know how he earned $60 millions deposited in his Swiss accounts?
An Unbiased Review
The country will go into chaos like it never had been. It’s good that so called democracy is underway BUT look who the president is! If this guy can become the president then Altaf Hussain is not far away to become the next president. There’s going to be another NRO-Altaf, a deal with zardari in which all of MQM cases will be erased. Anyways, all the people who are MESMERIZED with zardari are living in the FOOL’S PARADISE. Don’t expect anything from him. Why is it always that our country is ruled by THIEVES?
This was all preplanned. This was all part of the deal with mush. Mush be given a safe passage and zardari becoming the president. It all makes sense.
Hi every1
I guess its chronic, that we all suffer from short memory syndrome.
Why so much fuss about Zardari?
Now before someone jumps to conclusion that I am pro-Z, read following,
Fast rewind the events >
1. 1999, NS’s second term as PM, he is on the brink of consolidating the power after having successfully doing away with services chiefs, humiliating the SC and now COAS is shortly becoming his traget.
2. Army stands behing COAS and a “bloody civilian” is shown the door ( so to speak) for overstaying his welcome (also so to speak)
3. We Pakistanis distribute sweets for we have become so hopless that even we cannot discern between our own impending doom (read Army dictator) – nevertheless he is welcomed.
4. He does the samething (consolidating power), moreover gives us the gift of Talebanisation + lack mistrust among the fedarating units (all time low), drags army into fighting our own people (list is long)
5. BB is “liquidated”
6. NS coming back in scene and pretendending to have become “utmost sincere” with the nation and this is why the Judicial battle.
7. Mush leaves all in surprise “apparently”
Such is the condition.
Dear countrymen for a moment think from ur brains, not from political affiliations, this:
1. Is NS fighting for people (I dont think so, he’s learnt his lesson, and personal vendetta is truned into national fiasco).
2. AZ violates the written accords and still manages to sport his “cunning smile”
3. On average 30 innocent lives are lost.
Fas forward now:
The scene is utter darkness:
So dont jump on conclusions let him his moment and time will liquidate him as well, because no body expects AZ to “behave”.
But for God’s sake stop playing the ethnic cards, AZ should not be opposed bcoz he is Sindhi but…..
Wot if we got NS candidate, same disaster, appointment manipulation and power struggle with centre and “province” equals to more radicalisation.
Sp pls be patient and give our so-called democracy a chance till its mature enough to walk on it own.
Wassalaam
Lakh Lanat Ham Pakistanio Par !
AJJ HAMARAI TAREEK TAREEN DIN HAY JAB AEK CORRUPT AUR MUTNAZA TAREEN SHAKS IKTIDAR MAY AIA HAY
but i must say that let PPP run the show for 5 years and then they will be washed but if ARMY nay mudakhlat ki to they will again have a excuse to be called hero… even after more corruption…..
no doubt zilat abb hamara mukatdir hay !
the question is “is it save to let this corrupt person lead the nation for 5 years” remember he is not Benazir and all the corruption charges were on him and very few were on her !
Congratulation to Musharraf that Zardari became President because of his NRO. Controvertial NRO had looters, murderers, and criminals become “saints” overnight. Injustice braought injustic.
Yaar atleast to show the world that Pakistan can have an educated and honest person at the top position these poiticians could have gone for any scientist or Judge etc…
Anyway what difference it makes? Corrupt Zardari was already making all the decisions as PM is in his pocket.
Now what is next? Altaf Hussain will come back via another NRO/deal to become Govenrner of Sindh or what?
PPP has given a great lesson to nation that honest people like CJ Iftikhar are not acceptable in our society. All the parties should learn from PPP that promises are not Hadees and anything should be done to get power. Power (dirty) politics is the way to go in land of pure.
White CROW,fossil Specimen and ZARDERI is from the Same FAMILY,
I am afraid,We are going to lost NW AND SW of Pakistan cause of this PARASITE…….
May Allah save Pakistan from his Curse….
Oh mr. Gardezi…. Ask this question from maulana diesel….. ure favourite…
How can u now start blaming zardari?? A few more people like maulana and zardari’s will be selected again and again
congratulations to every supporter of democracy.
The federation of pakistan has gone strong with this result.
this is a victory for democracy and will of people, lets pray for the best for Pakistan.
All curupt are in power now.Zardari Kuta, Fazool,Begarat altaf, Allah Kher Karee Pakistan ki
two obnoxious presidents in a row. one criminal has left and other has joined. after snatching his wife;establishment gave snake a chance. i dont think that snake will ever restore judges because of the US slavery. same policies of a dictator, a so called democratic setup.
At least now these Sindhis, Muhajirs, Pakhtoons and Baluchis would stop whining that Punjab is ruling them or has ruled them – and let them rule for next five years – and see what these three provinces do for Pakistan.
As long as PPP does not disturb PMLN in Punjab no one should disturb them but Nawaz Sharif from now on please stop adopting this concilatory note – do not now lie in front of Zardari and others – enough is enough – you have your self respect – already becasue of your unconditional support to Zardari we had to see this black day that a crook, liar and a criminal has become President of Pakistan because of your hatred for Musharraf.
If you continue to support Zardari you would be finished in next election and whatever seats you have got they would also be reduced. So now show to the people of Pakistan that you are better than these people and act like a good oppostion.
One other thing – please shun your ego away and patch up with PMLQ – now that Musharraf is gone – these Chaudhries are far better than Zardari who would again stab you in the back – he is far worse than anyone else in PMLQ. So together bring the PMLS together and also PML F – because NS if you show weakness now it would be end of your party.
There is also a limit to maturity – for how long you would let these goons like Farooq Naik and others take you for granted. Already today Salman Taseer in governer house said that PMLN cannot survive for more than 24 hours without PPP.
Forget about Musharraf now – he is history and forget about taking revenge from him – already because of your hatred of Musharraf you have managed to get even a worse man in presidency – so control your hatred now and be practical before Zardari takes away everything from you. People of Pakistan have very high hopes from you.
One last thing – your choice of Justice Siddiqui was a very poor one. You should have chosen a politican from Sindh with better credentials – anyhow that time has gone now and lets look to the future. If you want that next goverment should be yours you have work from now on and please please no more patch up with PPP – dont destablize them but at the same time dont join Federal Cabinet because in the end they would hold you responsible for economic downturn and everything else and again use you. So please please dont be used by these PPP walas. Build good relationship with Pakistan Army and stop criticising Pakistan Army and also stop criticising judges
You have goverment of Punjab and through that you can favour many and make sure these PPP wals are out of the goverment – they should not be allowed to enjoy anymore.
This is a victory of a democratic process.
Its the fascists only who are in abundance on this website have been defeated.
Please do respect peoples verdict whether you like it or dislike.
Who calls election of Zardari as democracy – he gave at least three crores rupees to each of the MNA and Senator and MPA and bought their loyalities – after all when would that Swiss 60 million dollars would have been of use.
Zardari’s election was truly the blackest day in the history of democractic Pakistan and he would be far worse than Musharraf in presidency.
Those who elected him have done teh greatest disservice to Pakistan for their own selfish ends. This shows we really dont deserve democracy. Army is also at fault because they stood by watching what has happened – they would have intereved behind the scenes but it looks like Pakistan Army also has become begharat like those who elected this criminal and liar of the top order.
Zardari Lotera hai hai… i cant see this guy as the president of my country
My view.
Well, it is a bit difficult situation but we have to keep in mind that last 10 years have been very difficult for the Pakistan rather for the whole world. we have reached a point where people have a president who is elected by the people quite freely; what kind of person he has been is another thing. If one looks back then one finds that we almost never had a time where people felt free. Almost all of the politicians have been involved in mistakes and other institutions too. As a nation we have been quite lazy, foul and inactive; we really never tried to get rid of personal and collective corruption. We have got a problem that we expect magic without doing anything, without changing ourselves!
It is a hard task to bring changes suddenly and without people being changed it is impossible. we are deep in debt of foreign countries and structure of every institution is shattered and still we expect that when we get up in morning there should be flowers everywhere!
Well, there are few things
1: AZ might not have been good in past but if he wants to work good then he should be given chance. It is true that we have been cheated time and again but there is no other way than testing/trusting. We need to be optimistic but alert and active too.
2: He lost his wife and has been under a lot of internal and external pressures so we should give him credit that he has been able to keep things somehow controlled in such situation. He has been able to bring unity in the country. He showed that one can achieve a lot with smiles too;) He is definitely a brave, diplomatic and intelligent person and above all not emotional person so we hope that he uses his capabilities positively.
3: we should not forget that he appointed a quite good person as prime minister though it is hard to say how independent prime minister is; no one can have 100% control, one has to deal with many internal and external powers. so let the system work.
4: He and his wife played big role in getting rid of Mr. Musharraf, disengagement of Army from Politics and free elections this year.
5: Even if he has some negative agenda, although i don’t think he has any, it would not be easy to fulfill. People around are not sleeping and nation must be strict and alert because these are people at the end who define the way of ruler.
6: We need to forgive the past mistakes otherwise we would not be able to move ahead. We can’t afford internal fights and divides. If we will pull the bad guys for the accountability then they will resist and make conspiracies and i don’t think that we are a kind of nation who will prefer bloody internal revolution; we are soft hearted and forgiving people so it looks almost impossible to have such revolution. In addition to that bloody revolutions bring more problems than good. Our situation also does not allow any such revolution as enemies are sitting alert on our borders.
So better way is to forgive and move forward. If Quraish of Makkah can be forgiven by Prophet Muhammad(SAW) then why can’t we forgive each other?
7: CJ Iftikhar Ch. has showed the great character and has proven himself as a strong, just and fair person. He has withstood all the pressures and hardships bravely so rightly deserves to be head of Judiciary. It will be our big big misfortune if we waste such a person. I know Mr. Dogar can never reach the level of Iftikhar Ch., he is a different kind of guy. If AZ is so scared of Iftikhar Ch then there could be a solution to the problem! Iftikhar Ch can give written document which would state that past crimes of the people will not be accounted for. People! we have to go ahead and can’t afford stagnancy.
Mr. AZ needs to show maturity here as Judiciary under Iftikhar Ch is extremely important otherwise our judiciary will remain coward and broken which is extremely dangerous. Corruption is definite to continue without brave judiciary.
8: USA is also changing; they made many mistakes in the past so if they want to cooperate now then we show big heart. We should ask them that they should kindly no more intervene in our matters and should release all those people which were caught in the name of war on terror. They will definitely resist if we tried to drag them into light. So better is to be soft and cooperating but strong. For future, we should make our policies fair, broader and brave. We should try to have freindship with all the nations and should not depend upon any single power. We should not depend so much upon anyone that he could cheat and damage us.
9: It should be requested to all those who have gathered big money, in good way or bad way, that they should show big heart and return quietly as much money as possible to the state. It is our duty as Muslims and Pakistanis to take care of each other. We should lead simple lives, which is best and also there is no use of extra money and luxuries, we rather should use extra one for the needy people. Do we not expect reward from Allah almighty? or we cheat Him? We must know that we have to stand in front of Him and answer! Is Prophet Muhammad(SAW) not our role model? how was his life?
10: This is the blessed month of Ramadan and we must seek forgiveness for past mistakes and blessings of Allah almighty and should use this month to change our lives forever. We should show to the world that Muslims are the best, cooperating, loving and most peaceful people! We should use this month for our forgiveness, strengt and pleasing and positive change.
My personal views, everyone is free to agree or to disagree.
May Allah almighty guide and help us. Aamin.
Goodness me, anybody,but Zardari for president.I know NRO was probably issued by Sir Musharraf to keep the army and ISI going strong and keep these Mullahs at bay…because if these secular political like ppp,mqm get weak then Mullahs will start dominating the political scene here and that will be a nightmare for the army and ISI.But even Musharraf did’nt know at that time that this could allow MR 10% to be our new president casuse Benazir got assasinated..not that she was an angel either.
One of the saddest day in Pakistan’s histroy was when Sir Musharraf a man of so much integrity and vision resigned …6th septemeber,2008 is going to be even worse because one of the most corrupt and indignified Pakistanis is going to become our president.As Sir Musharraf said ‘iss kaum ka ubb allah he hafiz hay’
Where was Imran Khan and Ali Ahmed Kurd Gone???
Imran Khan and his Tahreek he Insaf left alone in this dirty political scene.I think Imran khan contest the By Elections NA and Come into the fornt of Zardari when he adrees the Parliment, and Gives Zardari Tuff Time during his speach.
Zardari Lotera hai hai… he is the worst thing that has happened to Pakistan
Jeye Bhutto, Zinda hey BB, Zardari zindabad
Pakistan Pianabad
Jeay Bhutto, Zinda he BB, Jeay Zardari
AZ win in presidential election is the loud slap on the face of people who have been trying and who are trying to malign zardari.
Jeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay Bhutto.
jiye Bhutto, Jiye BB Jiye Bilwal Jiye Asif Zardari.
Zinda Hai BB Zinda hai
salam all viewers, Congrats on landslide victory of AZ,inshallah Az will be the best president of Pak and he will do good for Kashmir. Like in nationalassembeley,senate,PA ajk assembeley pass resolution in favour of AZ to become president.
As they say “her shakh pey ullow behta hai” kahin Gilani aur kahin Zardari”!
I hope this will settle the Bhutto key khun ka hasab once and for all and we might be able to move forward as a nation. But then we might acquire debt of some other “shahid”
Issi forum pe sab ka sab mushraf ko galiyan dete the, ab zardari ko..
Pakistan m aik emnadar politican ka naam tu bata do please, kissi aik ka naam bata do us k baad m aap k saath mil zardari ko bura bhala kahonga.???
NAME JUST ONE DEAD HONEST POLITICIAN???
For Jiyalas a must read article, that is if they could manage to hold their attention!!!
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6015&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
We should get a lesson from it…a person who was persecuted by his opponents who had absolute power…a person who’s opponents used every effort to protray him as a “lotera”…after all that…..first he beceme the chairman of the largest party of pakistan…and now president….this reminds me of a verse in quran which effectively means…
“woo jise chahe izzat dee aur jise chaihe zilat dee”
learn the lesson people……when god gives something to someone…the most powerful and the most vicious opposers can’t stop it…so stop bashing him…….
@ khan
well said….I would like to commend NS on his stance…political differences aside…..he not only accepted Zardari as the president but also congratulated him….other political forces should do the same..strengthen the system……remember mutwalas, piyalas and IK groupies….it is politics not war…don’t try take it as war….work hard..who know next time….one of you may be president…and you would like PPP to accept it…let the system run……
@Tauqeer Akbar
the article you reproduced was published long time ago as part of Mush’s propaganda campaign aginst BB. It proved to be nothing but plain lie.
“NAME JUST ONE DEAD HONEST POLITICIAN???”
No other politician has gone through so much EHTESAB that PPP leaders (ZAB, BB, Zardari) have gone through. Despite special laws, special courts, PCO judges and Martial Law pressure nothing proved against any of PPP leader. Is there any other politician gone through that much scrutiny and accountability???????
@decenteyez
“I think Imran khan contest the By Elections NA and Come into the fornt of Zardari when he adrees the Parliment”
Oh Din Charh Dubba – Judh Ghori Chrahay Ga Kubba
Kaya Piddi aour Kiya Piddi Ka Shorba
I bet IK cannot win a village council seat without support from NS or PPP.
What do you say about this, Guys!!?!?!
@chussain
“Who calls election of Zardari as democracy – he gave at least three crores rupees to each of the MNA and Senator and MPA and bought their loyalities – after all when would that Swiss 60 million dollars would have been of use. ”
First of all President Zardari has already offered 1/2 of 60 million dollars to the person who proves that money. Instead of wasting your time on internet better rush to Switzerland and find that money and get 30 million.
Second, for your p[oor math skills, here are the facts:
Total votes Zardari Got:
Center: 281
Baluchistan: 59
Sindh: 163
Punjab: 123
NWFP: 107
Total People who voted for Zardari = 723
Total Money zardari aledgely paid @ 3 Carore (Rs. 30,000,000) each = 30,000,000 X 723 = 21,690,000,000 (2.17 billion rupees)
= 309,857,142 (310 million dollars)
So mr. chussain, Zardari has already spent 5 time his 60 million Swiss wealth on his election as per your claim.
JHOOT BOLDI AYEN JHOTI AYE AKASHWANI AYE
Prodege of Zia are worst liars like their Imam. They have no Zameer, iman or honesty iun them. Your lie, you kill, you cheat but remember you failed to kill Bhutto.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/specials/2240_ppp_celeb_si/page13.shtml
Aaj Tay Ho Gayee Bhutto Hi Bhutto
ISLAMABAD (Reuters) – An earthquake shook the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, and other cities on Saturday but there was no immediate word on damage or casualties.
The quake was also felt in the Afghan capital, Kabul, residents said. The U.S. Geological Survey said on its website the quake’s magnitude was 5.6 and the epicentre was at a depth of 177 km (110 miles).
About 73,000 people were killed in northern Pakistan by a powerful earthquake in October 2005.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20080906/tpl-uk-pakistan-quake-c3c492c.html
May Allah have mercy on us all and pakistan. on the day that ghaddari wins the election, Allah also gives a small earthquake right at Islamabad!
You know when Allah was displeased with the bani Israel, he would give them bad rulers. I wonder, can this relate to Pakistan? May Allah save us all from zardari.
@Jahil,
Zalzala, Bani Israel, Zardari .. you have gone nuts. You have nothing left to console your burning stanic souls?
Earthquake rattles Pakistan
06/09/2008 09:00 – (SA)
Islamabad – A moderate earthquake shook Pakistan’s capital and some northwestern cities on Saturday, but there were no immediate reports of injuries or damage, officials said.
It had a magnitude of 5.7 and was centred about 300km north of Peshawar in the Hindu Kush mountains in Afghanistan, an earthquake-prone region, said Altaf Gul of the state-run seismological centre in the northwest city of Peshawar.
The quake came as lawmakers across the country voted for Pakistan’s next president. Gul said tremors were felt in the capital, Islamabad, as well as Peshawar, Chitral, Swat and across Kashmir.
The US Geological Survey also said it was a magnitude-5.7 temblor and that it hit at about 11:47 local time (05:47 GMT.) It said the quake struck at a depth of 174km.
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_2389156,00.html
Hum Bhi Dekhain Gay:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6kiQjZePbc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/specials/2240_ppp_celeb_si/
It is very saddening to see that some people in this forum don’t truly believe in democratic process. They are inclined to see their wishes fulfilled and find it hard to respect majority view.
I reckon most of us including some major political forces (like APDM) probably don’t even know what we should aim for? what should be the right strategy? It is foolish to assume that just standing on principles will lead us to our goals. I think there should be a proper stategy as well.
IMO the best thing for Pakistan in current circumstances is that PPP stays in power for its term in center and all current set-ups in provinces continue to work for 5 years. This will provide us a political stability and consequently we will be in better position to counter Economic, law & order, and judicial crisis.
An individual can have hundreds of problem with PPP and duely elected President AZ but I think no one should try to derail democratic process and invite undemocratic forces.
Lets pray and hope that in coming days we sort out the above mentioned problems. Obviously that will take some time so we will need to be patient.
Cheers
@Fahim23
democracy can only work in countries where most of the voters are educated. if the entire population is uneducated you will get the same results over and over again.
the pakistani people had their chance to vote someone new like Imran Khan with PTI, or anyone else for that matter. but they didn’t, they screwed up. now everyone in the country is erking at the fact that the most corrupt person in history has become the president of pakistan.
besides, one thing i have seen over the years is that democracy never works in muslim countries. even the most advanced countries today like South Korea, Malaysia, China had some sort of one party-rule, authoritarian, military-backed govt.
one of my friend commented this way
“you need a ba$t@ed to fix a f$$$ed up nation”
All who are shouting slogans at the top of their heart, please name one thing which this govt (zardari) has done since taking control, which has made the life better of ordinary person. Please do not try to take credit for Mushi or lawers restoration. First it has nothing to do with common man, second it was just musical chair at behest of masters. Faces are changed but agenda is still the same
correction = “you need a ba$tard
I see a very optimistic happenings in our country. Political parties are relatively in harmony. Our media is independent. Relatively fair elections have brought politicians in parliament. If you have problems with PPP then let’s wait for next elections and if your view is endorsed by rest of the nation then PPP government can be easily voted out.
@LetsUnite.
Oops..you are still alive?
Good to heard from you.I have never been any kind of affiliation with ppp.though i respect ZAB,i wont say anything about BB,cause she is no more here,But this Chimpanzee[Zardari]is
PERSONA NONE GRATA for every single Pakistani
and interestingly to NONE Pakistani as well.
About Molana,he is my leader,i am in love with his party Manifesto,Have you read his Manifesto?i don’t think you have….
You just read columns and then paste them from some webside here at yours comments…
Dont start the debates again,before start it again you must promise not to desert agian
as you did last time…..
@shaan11235
“please name one thing which this govt (zardari) has done since taking control, which has made the life better of ordinary person.”
three four months is not enough for any government to do miracles. Economy cannot be revived in minutes. Past three months were crisis months and all attention of government was focused on cleaning the constitutional mess created by Mush. At the same time all the attention of PPP haters was focused on judges issue. Not political issues are almost resolved. We must be thankful.
We need national unity to clean the mess created by military dictators and their supporter corrupt right wing urban class.
PPP government always work for poor. That is the reason people never forget PPP when time to vote comes. The best judes are people who will give their verdict at next election time. Your objection is too early. This kind of questions should be raised after 5 years at election time.
Still I can tell you some great achievements of this government:
1. Cease fire in Baluchistan
2. Review of Policy against Talban insurgency. remember peace is key to prosperity.
3. Removal of food subsidies from urban elite. Increase in grain and food price has directly increased the income of poor farmers that supply bread, butter, milk, vegitables, meat etct to Defence, gulberg, model town. Go to villages and you will see happy happy people.
4. Benazir food stamp program will directly help lower class labourers to get subsidized food.
5. Youth Emplyment scheme is under planning and very soon you will see the results
6. Emergency power generation is going to start very soon. Planning is almost complete. Very soon IPP’s will start generating elkectricity to end load shedding just like previous PPP government did.
7. An aggressive foreign investment is going to start on the pattern Zardari
started in previous PPP government.
Results will start coming soon. President Zardari did not get power through bullets. He won by popular vote. PPP knows that it will have to work for welfare of poor. That is their passion and that is the secret of their survival under 4 dictators and brutal persecution for 40 years.
“you need a ba$t@ed to fix a f$$$ed up nation”
Days of ba$t@ed dictators are over. Pakistan can be fixed by unity and peoples power. Today’s election is a great show of unity by all federating units and also Kashmir. This country will be fixed by democratice forces through democratic process. Inmshaallah.
@jahil-awam
Well as I said their are few people who don’t believe in democracy and can find many excuses one of which is that prople of Pakistan are illiterate and some even say ignorant.
Experiencing my right, respectfully I don’t agree with you. I see great street wisdom and political awareness. I often find our elite class completely unaware of our political history and common social structure. I hope you know that PTI and Imran khan along with APDM never contested the 2008 election.
Democracy has only been adopted about 100 years ago properly in the world and most of current muslim world have never even experience it for once. Turkey, Iran Malaysia are the shining example of democracy in muslim world. If Pakistan has achieved any thing e.g., Nuclear capability, Constitution, land (makran, gawadar, lost territory in 71 war) etc it is brought by democratic forces. Pakistan got its independence on the basic principles of democracy i.e., popular will. Yes we lack in democratic attitude because we have only struggled alot for democracy never really got opportunity to experience it without interventions. We as a nation need at least one generation to experience democratic process taking its coarse.
Please understand that democratic process needs some calibration (filtering of corrupt elements with repeated elections) before it can produce its benefits. I believe we don’t have any alternative over night solution.
regards
@ C Hussain
I guess your are still living in a cuckoo world. Punjab is literlly governing the matters of Federation. And the kind of insensitive and irrational talk the guys of your like make doesnt make federation any stronger.
So having president from Sindh means now, Pak will be “ruled” by Sindhis? Wrong.
All the decisions are greatly affected by the military and civil heirarchy which I am afraid to say is monoplosided by brothers from Punjab. I guess it was Punjab’s hegemony that cost Pak heavly in the form of Bangladesh. And personally I dont think NS is any better than AZ either, he is the creation of military (he seems to forget this).
So please stop this ethnic nonsense and come forward without prejudice or presumptions about any nations, for such talk has already alienated other nationalities. Lets stop being myopic, lets walk together, lets be fair and just, then these puppets criminals which are thrust upon us will be blown away.
Another must read article for Jiyalas
How far is it true that Benazir Bhutto was Asif Zardari’s second wife, she was divorced & he plotted to kill ?
http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=6014&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
This is the reward you get for torturing,abusing,beating, hurting and finally killing a powerful wife who did not even share her bedroom with him. Congrats to all mentally sick husbands of our society.
After reading comments here I remember the reaction of ameri-guns when Hammas won the elections in Palestine. Suddenly democracy which they themselves preach became a curse for them.
We should own our political parties only then our opinions and expressions will possess a concerned advise, they won’t smell enimosity or hatered.
The fact that AZ is president is because he is duely elected by 481 parliamentarians which were elected by the people of Pakistan in fairer election. If it is a mistake (which we can only predict now cant say of surity) the blame lies with those parliamentarians and the people who elected them. If you call this election a mistake then the two possible ways to make sure this never happen again is either convince those voters in next election to support your favorite view or kill them all! (there are some people in pakistan which will give a seious thought to second option
too).
There is some water in the glass but some of us prefer to mourn on the part of glass which is empty, and appear frustrated others are also pi$$ed off coz their fav party despite so called higher moral ground, weak compitetors (after unfortunate demise of Mohtarma BB) and principles couldn’t win.
I don’t understand what is the use of making points in indescent, cheap and vulgar words? It only strengthen haterd in the hearts and minds of the expressor.
Before holding this government accountable it is very important for us to support them first. I’m sure if this government continues to make blunders like it has in past 5 months then it will be easily voted out in next elections that could take place before 5 years if God forbid things turned really bad.
Ladies and Gentelmen
Looting has begun!!!
Just before presidential elections a number of form houses in Chak Shahzad Islamabad has been distributed to the deflectors from Q league.
Ladies and Gentlemen
Looting has begun!!!
Just before presidential elections a number of form houses in Chak Shahzad Islamabad has been distributed to the deflectors from Q league.
salam alaykom
privacy convesrsation with ZD
wow is very intersting
me(morocan girl): what s your planing for pakistan mr président ZD
ZD : first of all mabrouk ramadan for pakistan and mabruk to pakistan that they have someone like as président ( ta7ya the democracy) mmmm well Fight the térrorist mouharabat al irrhab is my first point ” “I will work to defeat the domestic Taliban insurgency and to ensure that Pakistani territory is not used to launch terrorist attacks on our neighbors or on NATO forces in Afghanistan.”" .
same programm of usa, why the usa Intervened in irak to change sadam hussein because he have a file of AL FASSAD… and cannot intervened in pakistan may be because they find FINALY in ZD ALL what they want .
i was thinking for a pésident first of all He owes insurant security in the right way not use the same word( al irrhab )in one year more than 1200 personn die in pakistan so he will add more
education education and education that what should my pakistan have now
i do not understand why they have always have a picture of bhutto (allah yaghfir laha ) she s died what can people died do .
can someone explain what mean zinda hay please ?!!!
@sirratte
“zinda hay” = “Is Alive”
face of PPP
http://www.khabrain.com/pics/main4.jpg
i suppose winning elections means this for them rather than serving the poor and masses…
Wages of a Zardari presidency
…In my recent expressions of dismay over how the Pakistan People’s Party is dealing with emerging crises, I have been careful to confess my lifelong sympathy for this great party. It has been the only parking place in the political arena for the liberal opinion. But the drift that we have witnessed after Zardari reneged on his solemn promise to restore the judges sacked by Pervez Musharraf on November 3, 2007 — something that cannot even be justified by the normal standards of political expediency — is truly heartbreaking.
And when I contend with these feelings as a supporter of the PPP, I can imagine how those who have always detested the party would feel. This, then, is the most fundamental objection to the Zardari presidency. He is a contentious figure. He is also the unchallenged and strong leader of the largest party. There should be little dispute with the need for the president to be neutral and non-controversial. Zardari has always been a controversial figure and some recent reports, including the one in the Financial Times regarding his medical certificates, have surely not removed any misgivings about him.
“What’s all the fuss about?”, asks my friend Ayaz Amir in his column in this newspaper on Friday. Yes, he is right in arguing that “anyone has the right to stand as president and be elected, given the right numbers”. But does this mean that we should have no concern for moral principles and the essential spirit of democracy ? irrespective of the electoral drill. Haven’t they always been saying that elections alone do not make a democracy?
Even when we invoke the democratic principle, we can be sure that the majority of the people would not approve of this outcome. You have to bear in mind the circumstances in which the electoral campaign was conducted, the coalition was formed and solemn pledges were made, including in writing, to restore the judges. You should also look at the alliances that the PPP has made to get Zardari elected. Remember May 12, 2007?…
Crooks are back in power. Most of the faces you see on TV have been to prison for one reason or the other.We might have seen awareness on TV sreens but the nation still does not seem to be capable of differentiating between right and wrong.We need to improve the eduacation system and increase the literacy rate (minimum 80%)before we would see a true democratic selection of the people by the people to elect the right Government. Sadly religion is being used for wrong reasons.
May God protect us from religious fanatics.
Long live Pakistan
@nota
chukria
jazaka allahou khairan nota
Today I read some comment on ZA and PPP then I explore the other pages also.
I think this website is just to establish only for condeming PPP. I stongly beleave that this website has only one objective only one agenda: To condem the libral forces, to condem the democratic forces, to condem the people of Pakistan(PPP).
May be it is funded by some JEW forces(Imran Khan via Jimaima) or Jamat-islami……
Now come to topic…
ZA became president of Pakistan turly in a democratic way….. only those people rejected him who do not have an ability to win election in Mianwali even…
Thats why being a great leader it is necessary for Zardari and also I suggest to Zardari dont listin these dogs they just wows and nothing else…..
PPP zinda hai Zinda hai BiBi Zinda hai zinda hai bhutto zinda hai….
Zardari’s favourite Sindhi Chief Justice
Priceless Dogar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MWhDcG5jm0
A must watch video clip
@zia_786,,… please go with the realities… Don’t forget jewish/bush support NRO helped AZ’s all corruption otherwise they would never come back to Pk…
Dogar caught with his pants down
What an honour for the Supreme Court of Pakistan – Zardari’s jiyala Chief Justice
Zia
if you think this website is to condemn PPP then please please list some of the great contributions of Zardari and his tola for Pakistan. Just enumerate them. Now dont say that he got Musharraf out because without support of NS he could have never thought of doing that as he did not enough numbers at all.
Even in today’s polling he had only 281 while 295 were two third to impeach President.
This website is not dedicated to any political party – this belongs to People of Pakistan and if NS does anything wrong we criticise him also.
Ofcourse some of the NS biggest mistake was to be so blind in hatred for Musharraf so as to trust Zardari and bring a disgrace like Zardari in President House. Second big mistake was to nominate Saeed Siddiqui when he could have nominated some other non controversial figure from Sindh or NWFP.
Third his mistake was NOT TO TALK TO PML Q – after all whats harm in talking – this is politics and you have to make sure you protect the interests of your party – if PMLN and PMLQ had fielded a joint candidate at least it would have robbed Zardari from a big victory.
Still Mian Sahib has done well to get out of coalition and secondly to protect his goverment in Punjab.
I am concerned why the oath-taking ceremony has been delayed. Earlier there were some news reports that AZ/PPP was in a hurry to take the oath in the evening of 6th September, and there were emergency arrangements for the ceremony.
But now I hear that the oath taking will not happen until Tuesday… Establishment crooks trying their best to shy away from the democratic president.
Bhutto clan divided by Asif Ali Zardari’s rise to power
…“Nobody could have imagined this a year ago,” agreed Makhdoom Amin Fahim, who led the Pakistan People’s party (PPP) for Bhutto while she was in exile and is still its parliamentary leader. “It wasn’t even a nightmare.” …
…Those around Zardari say he was persuaded to stand because of security threats, not least from within Pakistan’s own military establishment, which he believes killed his wife. He has spent the past two weeks hiding in the basement of the prime minister’s house. “After Benazir he is the next target,” said one government minister. “Being president is the only way we can give him the protection he needs.” …
…Pakistanis from Karachi to the Khyber are fearful that Zardari might use his new-found power to seek revenge of another form. In Bhutto’s autobiography she described him as “a friend’s friend and an enemy’s enemy”….
…Among the most apprehensive are Zardari’s own inlaws. Ghinwa Bhutto, the beautiful Palestinian widow of Bhutto’s estranged younger brother Murtaza, and their children Fatima, a writer, and Zulfikar Jr, an A-level student, live at Pakistan’s most famous address: 70 Clifton was the Karachi house of Bhutto’s father, Zulfikar, who founded the PPP and went on to become Pakistan’s first elected prime minister. It is where Bhutto and Zardari married in 1987. …
…“We remember the targeted killings, the corruption mixed with murder of their last government in the 1990s,” said Fatima. “It’s not that long ago.”
“I’m very worried about my children’s security,” said Ghinwa. “I have asked the government for protection but they have refused. My son is particularly vulnerable. He’s the real male Bhutto heir. There are very difficult, dark days ahead.”
Fatima points out that Shoaib Suddle, the most senior policeman present on the night of her father’s death, has been made head of the Intelligence Bureau by Zardari’s government. “It looks like a reward, so one has a right to feel threatened,” she says. …
…Waiting in the wings for Zardari to make a slip is Sharif, the former prime minister, whose Muslim League now forms the main opposition party. Although he says he feels “sad and betrayed” by Zardari, he vows: “We won’t destabilise the government. The country is too vulnerable.”
His fear is that if it all falls apart there will not be another election, but a return to the army, which has ruled the country for more than half its 61-year history. “It all depends on how the politicians behave,” said one general. “The Pakistan army is like a beautiful black stallion. Ride it and it will serve you well. Kick it and it will buck.”
BJmistri strikes again…making it appear there is drama where there is none…
oath taking postponed until Tuesday 2013…because our president elect is mentally sick as certified by his own US doctors and last night had to be admitted back to ‘pagal khana’ for further treatment…..
oath taking postponed until Tuesday 2013…because our president elect is ment@lly sick as certified by his own US doctors and last night had to be admitted back to ‘pag@l kh@na’ for further treatment…..
@Malek,
None of your post is appealing or logically acceptable. Looks like you have something “personal” against PPP. My advice: Relax and think about Pakistan in broader terms, not just wasting time on propaganda against anyone. You lose your credibility as impartial.
@ MUNIR
Please brother be realistic, Imran Khan is set on PML-N platform, he agrees with Mr Sharif and is in the learning process. He is no where near any post and time has run out for him. His initial mistake was he went against democracy from day one just like any other politician. He is a good guy but he can maximum get a seat thats all. However, if you think Nawaz Sharif don’t know how to do politics then I dont even think its worth arguing with you.
Militarty took over his 2/3 majority, and threw Nawaz Sharif out of power just after he gave nuclear power to the country. DR. A Q Khan said himself we have currently got the best person incharge. Munir sahab, Zardari has come with strong backing, international backing. How Mian Sahib has played is the best approach, trying to secure Punjab, you think its easy to talk herem try stepping in and you will see… And please remeber people tried to come to see Nawaz on airport but your beloved zionist General had used army to block everything and blocked bridges connecting from my province NWFP to yours which is Punjab. Please be open minded and realise what the game is, US is involved and other forces and PPP has to deliver what they promised to US. Any one blocking US agenda will be killed just like Benazir Bhutto.
Therefore realise how wise Mr Sharif played and showed the strength in Punjab. The batte of democracy begins now. This is democracy, I would appreciate a corrupt man in power democratically than a rascal Musharraf. This is democracy, people learn from mistakes and let Mr Zardari do the work and see what happens, we will face it in a democratic way.
As far as Mr I Khan is concerned please, he he a good heart and hence he tagged up with PML-N on APDM platform. If Mr Khan had taken part in elections him and his useless APDM could have made a difference. The thing is APDM is party of nobody lol and would have lost elections anyway. Especially Qazi Hussein would have suffered same as JUI-F.
Be patent time will tell who knows how to play polotocs and who does not.
Pakistan Zindabad
@Sjunejo
if none of my posts are appealing…simply dont read them …isnt that’s democracy that your leader Zardari taught u?
i think of Pakistan in every term broader or minute and thats why when i see a liar, fraudulent and corrupt person being made President in a very deceitful way i get hurt….
when i see US interests taking over the mandate given by people i get angry…and all that is done by one person (a new dictator) so i get personal….why does it hurt you so much when i get personal against a political leader…do u have anything ‘personal’ with him?
@ C Hussain
Sir, I can understand how you feel but if you look at it.. Mr Nawaz Sharif had 91 seats, not enough to to anything but form coalition. He returned to Pakistan after years and only to see PNL-N is pieces, within a week he prepared for elections which he performed well in. He tagged up with BB and she unfortunately was killed by the same agencies who want to ruin Pakistan.
Zardari had done deal with US and he has to deliver or he will be killed too. Let PPP deliver, give them the time they always asked or, this is their time so let the democracy deal with it.
As far as PML-Q is concerned, please do you really want Nawaz Sharif to loose his value in public by shaking hands with fools like Chaudhrys? They are useless and will always stab in your back besides their career is over they have lost and their party is breaking into forward block which Mr Shahbaz Sharif has utilised well. He has shows strength in Punjab via Forward block. Wise move.
Nawaz Sharif wants to fight in a democratic way, he is patient and calm and playing it right. He knew if he battled with Musharraf and PPP at the same time, he would be defeated on both front, so he got rid of main man Musharraf via PPP’s support.
Now the battle is between two parties, the democratic battle. Please be aware the next few months would be interesting. PPP never got their own president. they have choosen one and I wish him good luck. Soon Punjab will be made as role model and then they can convince other provinces.
Pakistan Zindabad
Tariq Ali in the Guardian: Asif Ali Zardari: the godfather as president
…Oily-mouthed hangers-on, never in short supply in Pakistan, will orchestrate a few celebratory shows and the ready tongues of old cronies (some now appointed ambassadors to western capitals) will speak of how democracy has been enhanced. Zardari’s close circle of friends, with whom he shared the spoils of power the last time around and who have remained loyal, refusing all inducements to turn state’s evidence in the corrruption cases against him, will also be delighted. Small wonder then that definitions of democracy in Pakistan differ from person to person.
There will be no expressions of joy on the streets to mark the transference of power from a moth-eaten general to a worm-eaten politician. The affection felt in some quarters for the Bhutto family is non-transferable. If Benazir were still alive, Zardari would not have been given any official post. She had been considering two other senior politicians for the presidency. Had she been more democratically inclined she would never have treated her political party so scornfully, reducing it to the status of a family heirloom, bequeathed to her son, with her husband as the regent till the boy came of age….
@H K Afridi,
I fully agree with your analysis of NS position. NS is most mature politician currently in Pakistan, AZ has been thrust into current position and would definitely take time to get mature enough. Whereas NS has decades of experience behind him in both working “with” establishment and working “against” establishment. There is not doubt in my mind that we would not have been at this point in our history, without NS timely decisions at every critical juncture. He ensured that mad dictator is kicked out and becomes relics of past, at the sametime he ensured that people are not demoralized specially the right wing majority of the urban areas.
If you go through the comments on this site you shall find that there are people who have high hopes from NS and confident that he will return with big majority in the next elections , on the other hand there are people who are happy and hopeful of AZ/PPP not to disappoint them.
And this is the beauty of democracy.
@HK Afridi
u state that ‘Zardari had done deal with US and he has to deliver or he will be killed too’
knowingly that Z has done a deal with US and is acting on that deal u still support him over the security of the whole nation? what is that deal…shouldnt that be made public? is life of one individual (who has done a deal with foreign country) more important than the sovereignty of Pakistan?
You also state that ’same agencies that killed BB are to uin Pakistan’….Who are those agencies? since PPP has been in power for 6 months now one owuld have accepted that they will start this investigation before anything else….as BB was so important in life of all PPP supporters…and the fact that they will not care for anything including losing their govt if that was an obstacle in getting independant investigation?
it doesnt make sense….there is more hidden somewhere which we are unable to see in our love for so called ‘voices of democracy’ and an individual?
Weii, first of all one must congratulate Mr Zardari for his overwhelming victory in the presidential election. He has reached there not by grasping power on gun-point but through a democratic process howsoever. I think Mr Zardari is the most underestimated politician of Pakistan and it is not impossible that he may prove to be the best president to date of the country. Let us give him his time and see if the choice and the opinion of the people of Pakistan is correct. IHS.
Many people say that Zardari must be given a chance to prove himself.
My question is that will a person be allowed to enter a mosque when there is NAPAKI all around his body, He has to clean all the NAPAKI and then come to mosque.
@ pakwatan12
in the land of pures, everyone is pure, so let them all come and go in the sanctuary as they plase – so much for your cleaning – where you guys get your news from -the tabloids?
@ Malek,
No I have nothing personal for or against any politician. But its foolish to think that Pakistanis are mature enough to look not at persons but policies. Problem with you people is you have peers and enemies in politics and for your own interests you forget Pakistan. Thanks for your advise and I really don’t have time to read poisonous comments targeted against one party. Just “know” that I am not a Zardari’s fan. Did you see that in your dream or nightmare? lol
I strongly believe that Pakistan’s tragedy is that those who have ruled this country were/are never sincere and all were/are dishonest. And “Stupid awam” is wasting its time in arguing who is right and who is wrong. Thats ridiculous.
By the way I hope nobody bought into that “Pakistan cuts supply lines to Nato forces” farce?
You know that statement was made only so Fazlu and Fata senators can hood-wink their constituency and say “See we got something so we voted AZ”.
Well, the election is over and so is the need for the hoaxes…
“Supplies to Nato forces restored”
(Note: A hoax proved by the fact that it was never a formal order but a “verbal directive” and now the spin is was temporarily suspended for security reasons anyways. Mullahs are amazing in their hypocrisy, aren’t they!!!)
relax people , he is not the worse thing happened to any Islamic country. u can count some good ones on your fingers in the last 1500+ years.
when did u have any real chief JUSTICE, real public SERVANT and real anything in Pakistan?
Again u only one hand to count, even if that.
Real enemy is not Mr Z, its intolerance, ignorance which results in exploitation of religion and all things evil.
Bully-boys, they say, are cowards: Cowasjee
…it has to be admitted that certain signs are ominous. There is far too much talk of ‘revenge’. We firstly had young Bilawal-renamed Bhutto-Zardari made to say on the third day after his mother’s murder that she had once said that, taking into account the sufferings and ‘sacrifices’ made by the party of the people, ‘democracy is the best revenge.’ Now, democracy brooks no revenge; it preaches no revenge; it is a consensual system in which the majority prevails. If we are to have a majority bent upon revenge of any sort, may the Good Lord come quickly to our aid.
A message to my compatriots: you cannot fear fear. Thirty-one years ago, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto boasted, ‘Humari kursi mazboot hai.’ Five days later he fell upon Mother Earth, deposed.
If his heirs, including Zardari, have revenge in mind, then the game is lost before it is begun.
Asif, Then and Now Photo Gallery
Interesting to see is magical recovery….
No More Mr. Sonia Gandhi”
“MEET Mr Sonia Gandhi.” That, reportedly, was how Sherry Rehman introduced visitors to Asif Ali Zardari back in February, suggesting that he would remain in the political shadows.
Many of us feared the illusion was temporary. Our suspicions were confirmed once it became clear that Zardari was the string-puller-in-chief. When he showed little interest in joining the parliamentary wing of the Pakistan People’s Party — but ensured that his sister Faryal Talpur, hitherto a political nonentity, won the by-election from Benazir Bhutto’s ancestral Larkana seat — it became fairly obvious that he was aiming higher than the prime ministerial slot….
@Admin
You wrote…
“The voting process was held through a secret ballot by the two chambers of the national parliament, the National Assembly and Senate and the four provincial assemblies.”
INFACT,It should have been,
“The voting process HAD TO BE held through a secret ballot by …”
Unfortunately ,In NWFP Assembly,many ministers includind chief minister did against the rules by showing their ballot paper.
Such a show-off of faith (or should I say flattery) was done in 1977 elections when such sort of people overcasted the votes for Bhutto.
@ nota
the most interesting picture in that gallery is the last one where above the picture of zardari it says “ya Rabb mere mulk ki khair farma”
(http://www.dawn.net/wps/wcm/connect/Dawn%20Content%20Library/dawn/news/media+gallery/asif+ali+zardari+in+pictures)
i think the bald guy who sponsored the poster had it written to satisfy his conscience which was telling him not to support zardari’s presidency lol.
AZ starts with a 13% approval rating while 87% Pakistanis want the restoration of the CJP.
Allegedly AZ has personally called Musharraf and thanked him for the NRO that enabled AZ to become the president. Rumor has it that AZ told Musharraf that he (AZ) could never have gotten so far without Musharraf.
Jiyalas should remember Musharraf’s contribution to this victory of democracy.
In return for the NRO AZ will soon grant indemnity to Mush for breaking the constitution on Nov 3rd.
Besides all the hate and praise above, democracy-seeking people respect the outcome of a fair election. But elections alone do not bring democracy. Now we have to wait for two things; economic delivery and rule of law. I am certain that Zardari will deliver us a ‘lot’. But I am also pretty sure Pakistani political and army mafia culture will stay above the law.
The people of Pakistan deserve to be in the gutter where Zardari belongs. People did not protest.
What Dogar Offers to AZ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MWhDcG5jm0
@Kruman
it says ‘the video is no longer available?’
any other link?
@Malek,
I can still view it. I think such videos are getting censored (blocked) in Pakistan.
Too bad people in Pakistan can’t see what Dogar offered to AZ.
@Malek
are you in pakistan?
becos the video referred by kruman is available outside pakistan.
this is the same video of DOG(ar)
http://pkpolitics.com/2008/07/31/guess-the-person-in-the-video-clip/
@Kruman @Jamhooriat
no i am in UK…
but i think i have found another link…is it the one with our illegal CJ Gobar caught with his pants down!
The nightmare has become true. One “elected” dictator has left and ensured that a similar dictator takes his vacant seat. For Pakistan there is no difference between before and now, but I would say that since Pakistanis voted for ZPP, then they must “accept” ZPP’s way of governing/misgoverning Pakistan. I say let them rule Pakistan for a while, then people will see (déjà vu) how they perform/fail. BUT mind you. Right now the ZPP will give you the impression that they are in the driving seat and the “establishment” is on the back foot and weak. Pejamistri has already been advocating this line. My “prediction” is that the day ZPP loses power through ballot or another coup (God forbid)then they will put the blame on the “establishment” in spite of that they are fully cooperating with the “establishment” on a number of issues (the war on “terror”, the judiciary etc.). In reality it is not a difficult prediction. History shows us that whenever a government is toppled, then the (former) government speaks about how they are met with hardship and unwillingness from the establishment. Historically this is the case with both PML and ZPP.
Had ZPP had goof intentions and learnt from the past they would made their decision making transparent. We have seen the opposite…..lies and deception.
@Shirkuh
cant agree more….however i am not sure if we can say that pakistanies voted for Z and he is democratically elected? he came to power through NRO and web of deceits and blatant lies he made to his coalition partners in order to initially win the PM slot and subsequently President slot….and after winning these slots he went back on all promises to fulfil the demands of his foreign masters US and the establishment
@shirkuh
There is a phrase for such situation is “Put up or Shut up” , there is no doubt that if PPP government is overthrown through a coup than the blame will go on establishment.
Democratic forces are on the offensive , however that does not mean establishment is sitting idle , by the way since the mad dictator left people think Alhaaj Ashfaq Kiyani , Chemical Tariq and their goons have now gone to Makkah
Ghinwa Bhutto Worry over senior police officer Shoaib Sadal selection.
http://www.dailypak.com/emergency/07-09-08-new%20(26).html
Ghinwa Bhutto’s son Zufiqar ali ‘junior’ is the real ‘Waras’ of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. Remember Murtaza Bhutto was killed when Shoib Sadal was incharge. ovt refused to provide security.
@ pejamistri
I appreciate your understanding in getting my point. I fully wholeheartedly agree with you that there are forces behind such as CIA & American agencies who want full control of FATA & border areas, war against terror. I fully agree all the undercover deals done by zionist corrupt murderer Musharraf with USA should be exposed and immediately military action should be stopped. President A.A.Zardari is on NRO, he would protect Musharraf because he protected him by giving him and his wife NRO. Judges would overthrow NRO and thats why they are not and will be restored.
Mr A. A. Zardari is currently a democratic president, by no means I am in Mr A. A. Zardari’s favour and that is my democratic right to agree or disagree with a leader. I would so agree with a democratic baddie than a military baddie. This is democracy. PPP who always claims to be the biggest party in Pakistan have never had thier full control, so let them have it now and let them prove themself. We all know what he will get up to but at least PPP will have no escape goat and solgans to get sympathy. In democracy every one should be given a chance. This is when people can decide what is right & what is wrong.
Mr N. Sharif is doing great showed PPP they have enough strength in Punjab so destablisiation wouldn’t work i.e. Mr Salman Taseer’s comments were just childish and showing frustration of loosing Punjab.
We understand in an ideal world it should be Pakistan first, but obviously that is not the case. PPP is obviously more secular party, they will be surpress more in my province NWFP, this will end the drama of ANP of being nationalist pashtun party and hopefully will never get elected again. Balochistan and Sindh’s politics is not party based its the person based, each landlord has ceratin slaves in their constituency and he will order them to vote certain person if his term & conditions are met. Majority of the votes in Sindh & Balochistan are bought and not actually publics opinion i.e. MQM main example in city of Karachi.
I understand we are vulnerable at the moment with Mr. A.A.Zardir as our president many of us do not like it but the truth is that in democracy we have to learn to accept faces we dislike. Let the people of Sindh Balochistan decide, now their man is in power, they will vote again and I hope now Sindh & Balochistan as well as NWFP would vote in Pakistans best of interest rathar than voting for caste & religion.
Next election whenever they are at least if PPP dp not perform they can not say ”aaj bhi bhutto zinda hai kal bhi bhutto zinda tha” at least these naray and sympathy gaining techniques would end. Every one should be accountable so let PPP have their democratic right and lets fight this in a democratic way. We have to get used to the democratic way of fighting. Enough of military getting involved.
Pakistan Zindabad
Zardari’s wife Benazir Bhutto is not Shaheed. She was a crook like her husband, she died after pursing personal goals.
Shaheed means a true Muslim dying for his/her country. Someone who looted the country and stole from the poeple cannot be described as a true muslim.
ha ha ha…
Mr. Gardezi nobody runs away from you…. it is you who left the debate last time…
Anyways my only point is that the good supports good and the bad supports bad… i am surprised that a normal human being from amongst the middle class is aware of the true face of zardari ( as per your own comments….”White CROW,fossil Specimen and ZARDERI is from the Same FAMILY,
I am afraid,We are going to lose NW AND SW of Pakistan cause of this PARASITE…….
May Allah save Pakistan from his Curse….
) and at another point you say ” wont say anything about BB,cause she is no more here,But this Chimpanzee[Zardari]is
PERSONA NONE GRATA for every single Pakistani” ….
So to my extreme surprise it is certainly a shame that you are aware of everything but not your leader…
I would advice you please advice maulana and altaf to stop back stabbing pakistan or else admit that zardari is on the right path and defend him just like your leader…
Vote for imran khan.. vote for change!!!
All the people, go find the meaning of Shaheed. Any person who dies in an accident or being killed without a fight is Shaheed.
Benazir is also a Shaheed.
His father is also a Shaheed.
Benazir had the guts to come and protest against Mush otherwise Mush still be kicking Nawaz Sharif’s butt hard.
All of you racists, pay her respect.
It is Nawaz sharif’s fault that Zardari is in power because he supported him blindly to take revenge from Mush and still he hasn’t done any thing against him, NS has no balls.
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Asif Ali Zardari: the godfather as presidentHe may be a pliant partner for the west, but with his record of corruption, Zardari is the worst possible choice for PakistanAll comments (32)
Tariq Ali guardian.co.uk, Sunday September 07 2008 09:35 BST Article historyAsif Ali Zardari – singled out by fate to become Benazir Bhutto’s husband and who, subsequently, did everything he could to prevent himself from being returned to obscurity – is about to become the new President of Pakistan. Oily-mouthed hangers-on, never in short supply in Pakistan, will orchestrate a few celebratory shows and the ready tongues of old cronies (some now appointed ambassadors to western capitals) will speak of how democracy has been enhanced. Zardari’s close circle of friends, with whom he shared the spoils of power the last time around and who have remained loyal, refusing all inducements to turn state’s evidence in the corrruption cases against him, will also be delighted. Small wonder then that definitions of democracy in Pakistan differ from person to person.
There will be no expressions of joy on the streets to mark the transference of power from a moth-eaten general to a worm-eaten politician. The affection felt in some quarters for the Bhutto family is non-transferable. If Benazir were still alive, Zardari would not have been given any official post. She had been considering two other senior politicians for the presidency. Had she been more democratically inclined she would never have treated her political party so scornfully, reducing it to the status of a family heirloom, bequeathed to her son, with her husband as the regent till the boy came of age.
This, and this alone, has aided Zardari’s rise to the top. He was disliked by many of his wife’s closest supporters in the People’s Party (or the Bhutto Family Party, as it is referred to by disaffected members) even when she was alive. They blamed his greed and godfatherish behaviour to explain her fall from power on two previous occasions, which I always thought was slightly unfair. She knew. It was a joint enterprise. She was never one to regard politics alone as the consuming passion of her life and always envied the lifestyle and social behaviour of the very rich. And he was shameless in his endeavours to achieve that status.
Today, he is the second richest person in the country, with estates and bank accounts littered on many continents, including a mansion in Surrey worth several million. Many of Benazir’s inner circle, sidelined by the new boss (Zardari did rub their noses in excrement by having his apolitical sister elected from Larkana, hitherto a pocket borough of the Bhutto family) actively hate him. Benazir’s uncle, Mumtaz Bhutto (head of the clan) has sharply denounced him. Some even encourage the grotesque view that he was in some way responsible for her death. This is foolish. He is only trying to fulfill her legacy. He was certainly charged with ordering the murder of his brother-in-law, Murtaza Bhutto, when Benazir was prime minister, but the case was never tried. Characteristically, one of Zardari’s first acts after his party’s victory in the February polls was to appoint Shoaib Suddle, the senior police officer connected to the Murtaza Bhutto ambush and killing, as the boss of the Federal Intelligence Agency. Loyalty is always repaid in full.
In the country at large, his standing, always low, has sunk still further. The majority of Pakistan’s 190 million citizens may be poor, illiterate or semi-literate, but their instincts are usually sound. An opinion poll carried out by the New America Foundation some months ago revealed Zardari’s approval ratings at a low ebb – less than 14%. These figures confirm the view that he is the worst possible slice of Pakistan’s crumbly nationhood. The people has had no say in his election. parliamentary cabals have already determined the result. I do not take too seriously the recent revelation that a psychiatrist had pronounced him suffering from acute dementia, incapable of recognising his children due to a chronic loss of memory. This was, as is known, designed for the courtroom had he been prosecuted in London or Geneva for large-scale money-laundering and corruption. All that is in abeyance now, since he has been elevated into a crucial figure in the “war on terror”.
A small mystery remained. Why did the US suddenly withdraw support from General Musharraf? An answer was provided on August 26 by Helene Cooper and Mark Mazzetti in the New York Times. The State Department, according to this report, was not in favour of an undignified and hasty departure, but unknown to them a hardcore neocon faction led by Zalmay Khalilzad, the US ambassador to the Security Council, was busy advising Asif Zardari in secret and helping him plan the campaign to oust the general:
“Mr Khalilzad had spoken by telephone with Mr Zardari, the leader of the Pakistan Peoples party, several times a week for the past month until he was confronted about the unauthorised contacts, a senior United States official said, “Can I ask what sort of ‘advice and help’ you are providing?” … Mr. Boucher wrote in an angry email message to Mr Khalilzad. “What sort of channel is this? Governmental, private, personal?” Copies of the message were sent to others at the highest levels of the State Department; the message was provided to the New York Times by an administration official who had received a copy.”
Khalilzad is an inveterate factionalist and a master of intrigue. Having implanted Hamid Karzai in Kabul (with dire results as many in Washington now admit), he had been livid with Musharraf for refusing to give 100% support to his Afghan protege. Khalilzad now saw an opportunity to punish Musharraf and simultaneously try and create a Pakistani equivalent of Karzai.
Zardari fitted the bill. He is perfectly suited to being a total creature of Washington. The Swiss government helpfully decided to release millions of dollars from Zardari’s bank accounts that had, till now, been frozen due to the pending corruption cases. Like his late wife, Zardari, too, is now being laundered, just like the money he made when last in office as minister for investment. This weakness will make him a pliant president of Pakistan.
The majority of the population is deeply hostile to the US/Nato presence in Afghanistan. Almost 80% favour a negotiated settlement and withdrawal of all foreign troops. Three days ago, a team of US commandos entered Pakistan “in search of terrorists” and 20 innocents were killed. Zardari was being tested. But if he permits US troops to enter the frontier province on “search-and-destroy” missions his career will be short-lived and the military will return in some shape or form. The High Command cannot afford to ignore the growing anger within its junior ranks at being forced to kill their own people.
The president of Pakistan was designed in the 1972 constitution as an ornamental figure. Military dictators subverted and altered the constitution to their advantage. Will Zardari revert to his late father-in-law’s constitution or preserve its existing powers?
The country desperately needs a president capable of exercizing some moral authority and serving as the conscience of the country. The banished chief justice, Iftikhar Chaudhry, automatically comes to mind, as do the figures of Imran Khan and IA Rehman (the chairman of the Human Rights Commission), but the governing elite and its self-serving backers in Washington have always been blind to the real needs of this country. They should be careful. The sparks flying across the Afghan border might ignite a fire that is difficult to control.
Tariq Ali’s latest book, The Duel: Pakistan on the Flightpath of American Power, will be published by Simon and Schuster on September 15
@LetsUnite,
I am afraid,We are going to lose NW AND SW of Pakistan cause of this PARASITE…….
May Allah save Pakistan from his Curse….
Dear brother, When we could tolerate Zia, Mush and still couldn’t break despite poor economy and debilitating policies the nwe won’t break now too.
@sam123999
“The people of Pakistan deserve to be in the gutter where Zardari belongs. People did not protest.”
Ziaists are in mourning. Nation is in celebration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubcvTj6E3oI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1qKGPQYVrc
The nation spoke of February 18
Tha nation spoke yesterday with a bigger forec i.e. > 2/3 majority
All political parties except APDM losers and all provinces + kashmir are behind Zardari.
Nawaz Sharif is going to see Zardari to congratulate him. There is a strong possibility he will join back federal government.
Inshallah democracy will succeed.
IKK ZARDARI SUB TAY BHARI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiXQ5LvZpzw
I have a question for NS lovers and PPP haters. “How come in the world your NS, farooq leghari and dictator mush couldn’t prove anything against AZ while he was in jail for 11 long years?”
Mobile SMS becomes very famous in UK…..
Jin!!!! hohohhahaha..kia hukm hai mere aaqaa…
Aaqaa!!! is mulk ka sara maal mere account mai daal do….
Jin!!!! Hukm karain , bakwas na karain….main Jin hon , zardari nahi hon…..
Sjunejo
Ok lets assume that Musharraf, NS and Farooq Legahri got Zardari in for false cases – lets assume Zardari is innocent.
Just explain to me three things
1. If Zardari is really clean he should declare all his assets before assuming post of Pakistan – like Musharraf did
2. How come Swiss goverment released 60 million dollars of Zardari when cases were withdrawn against him – where did that money come from
3. Did Zardari sumbit a medical certificate stating that he suffers from dementia, PTSD and depression and has suicidal thoughts – if yes – does he has a certificate showing that he has cured and if that certificate was wrong – that means he committed perjury
So Sir or Madam whoever you are – can explain this.
I have yet to meet a single Pakistani who can convincingly say that Zardari is clean – If he is clean then he should reassure teh nation by declaring his assets . Above all if he was clean then why did he accept NRO.
He is a man who breaks his promises and doesnt respect written agreements – what is the guarantee that the oath he is taking of President of Pakistan he would abide by it.
Afridi Sahib I understand your point of view – I wasnt criticising NS – I have lot of respect for him but now when your opponent is using all the methods to cheat you and hitting you below the belt it is also a time to pay him in the same dime. Zardari is a paraiste and if he and PPP stay for five years then there would be nothing left behind. Already true investors would be shy of investing in Pakistan and without any real boost in economy the future prospects are bleak. What I had meant was that NS should have done more to stop this snake from becoming President.
And for those in APDM and lawyers – please never ever boycott an election again – something is better than nothing – - now they are sitting outside and cannot do anything.
Zardari Lotera Hai Hai ! what a shame
I have been saying all along and most people who have been reading my post knows very well that I am not pro PPP or pro Zardari, but just mark my words, Asif Zardari will be the most successful president of Pakistan and will take this country out of crises an to the right direction.
“I have a question for NS lovers and PPP haters. “How come in the world your NS, farooq leghari and dictator mush couldn’t prove anything against AZ while he was in jail for 11 long years?”
-Sjunejo
LIAR!!! PPP is full of liars! Zardari was convicted in the Steel Mills case in Pakistan and was being tried by the NAB for 59 cases!
Zardari not a normal prisoner, says NAB
* National Accountability Bureau filed 59 cases in accountability courts this year
* Rs 93.2 billion defaulted loans recovered
Staff Report
ISLAMABAD: The National Accountability Bureau (NAB) said on Wednesday Asif Ali Zardari was facing a jail term passed by a court in the Pakistan Steel Mills (PSM) case.
“Mr Zardari is not a normal prisoner. He is a convict and his seven-year jail term had started on September 2002,” Chief of Staff (COS) to the NAB chairman, Brig Tayyab, told journalists at a briefing when asked why Mr Zardari was not being released.
The COS said Mr Zardari’s appeal against the decision of the accountability court was pending with the High Court. When it was pointed out that Mr Zardari had already been in prison for more than six years, he said: “The judge did not give him benefit under Section 382 of the CrPC as he was not under custody in this case.”
He said Mr Zardari is being tried in seven more cases. “We also hope to get some more papers from Switzerland to substantiate our position against him in all these cases.”
The National Accountability Bureau (NAB) filed 59 cases against corruption in accountability courts this year, NNI reports.
A NAB spokesman told reporters here on Wednesday that most of the cases related to misuse of authority, corruption and keeping assets beyond known sources of income. Important cases filed this year include those against Akbar Hussain Shah, ex-chairman of the Karachi Port Trust (misuse of authority); Amjad Hussain Sandhal (corruption in PARCO); ex-secretary of WAPDA Ghazanfar Iqbal Aujla (assets beyond known sources of income); ex-MPA Ejaz Ahmed Sheikh (assets beyond known sources of income); former MNA Nasir Ali (misuse of authority); Abdul Qadir Tawakal (bank default on three counts); former MPA Hakim Ali Chaudhry, (corruption); Nisar Ahmed Seth (misuse of authority); MNA Akhtar Ali Verio (assets beyond known sources of income); Muhammad Hussain Gichki, ex-managing director of the LEIDA (corruption); Sadiq Ali Khan, ex-managing director of the Utility Stores Corporation (corruption), Shafiq Gill, ex-NAB official (corruption); Baqir Sheikh, ex-NAB official (corruption) and Ghulam Haider, ex-director of the CDA (corruption).
One absconder, Naeemuddin Qamar, was extradited from the United States a few days ago and is under NAB custody for Rs 288 million fraud. He said Asif Ali Zardari was convicted in the Pakistan Steel Mills case and is being tried in seven more cases.
The spokesman said Rs 43 million had been recovered in the EOBI misappropriation scam and hoped to recover another Rs 800 million soon. He said Rs 93.2 billion defaulted bank loans had been recovered while the National Accountability Bureau helped recover Rs 10.2 billion of other departments.
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_31-7-2003_pg7_32
just like Imran Khan said, “what was the need for NAB?”
your wadera, zardari and his wife fake shaheed Bhutto were BOTH convicted by a Swiss court in 2003 for money laundering.
trust me, your idol zulfikar bhutto may have kept all of larkana jahil and backwards, but the same won’t happen to me.
I see through the deception of democracy in pakistan.
Swiss judge convicts Bhutto
A judge in Switzerland has found former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and her husband, Asif Zardari, guilty of money laundering.
Investigation Judge Daniel Devaud in Geneva sentenced them to a six-month suspended jail term, fined them $50,000 each and ordered they pay more than $2m to the Pakistani Government.
He said they had illegally deposited millions of dollars in accounts in Switzerland, and ordered the money be returned to Pakistan.
Ms Bhutto and Mr Zardari deny misappropriating the money, and are considering an appeal.
The BBC’s Zaffar Abbas in Islamabad says the ruling will come as a blow to the former prime minister, who has always said that corruption cases against her in Pakistan were politically motivated.
The latest ruling is a more serious matter and may make it more difficult for her to defend her position, our correspondent says.
Appeal
The case relates to a 1998 indictment in which Benazir Bhutto was accused of having access to money obtained through kickbacks and commissions from two Swiss companies with contracts with the then Pakistani Government.
An investigation found several numbered accounts in Switzerland in which more than $11m had been deposited.
Benazir Bhutto strongly denies having had access to the accounts and is considering whether to appeal against the ruling.
The couple’s lawyer, Farooq Naek, described the order as “illogical, unreasonable, inconsistent with law, based on malafide [bad faith] and … politically motivated.”
He complained that the announcement had been made without notices having been served on either Ms Bhutto or Mr Zardari.
Ms Bhutto lives in self-imposed exile in London and the Middle East.
Asked whether the Swiss ruling could affect Ms Bhutto’s permission to remain in the UK, a Home Office spokesman told BBC News Online that they do not comment on individual cases.
But they said: “A person holding an entry clearance can be refused entry to the United Kingdom if there has been a change of circumstances since the visa was issued.”
Her husband is currently serving a jail term in Pakistan for corruption.
In a separate development, Mr Zardari was formally indicted on Tuesday for the murder of a chairman of state-owned Pakistan Steel, Sajjad Hussain, who was shot in 1998.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3125277.stm
@admin
- Zadari is president with silent support of US.
- Half of restored judges have taken oath.
- Lawyers are divided.
- Nawaz Sharif seems to save his Punjab govt.
You should start a new thread to ask visitors/writers of the site to give their opinion that what should be done to reinvigorate the movement for restoration of Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhary and those who are still determined to stick to their just stand.
I disagree with you sic5770.. you are just making assumptions