Motahida Qaumi Movement, which always claims to be a anti-feudal political party representing 98% middle class Pakistanis, continued their legacy and supported Asif Ali Zardari of PPP in the Presidential Elections. Until few months ago, MQM was supporting a Feudal Arbab Ghulam Rahim of PMLQ led by Army Chief General Musharraf.
Like the mainstream media of Pakistan, this website is also serving a particular class of this country.
I don’t have any political affiliation but i like to read unbiased news and reviews about every one. I am sorry to say that this is not a case on this site.
When Musharraf was President, you always complaint about dictatorship and ask for democracy, now you got “democracy” and you are still unhappy.
I hate Zardari with all my heart and I believe that he killed Benazir; but the “smart” and “educated” awaam of this country elected his party to make the decision for this country. His party chose him to be the President of this country, very democratic. But you are not happy because you still need something to complain about to run your business.
With all the corruption and terrorism aside, MQM has respected (for any political reasons) the choice of the majority of this country and nominated Zardari for the position.
Who else could they choose (if you really care about “their” choice)?? there were only 3 choices and all three are run by feaudals… Sharif feaudal, Zardari feaudal, Chaudhri’s feaudal.
So they had to choose a person from a feaudal party or nominate one from their own. Since the only party in the country who has more than 90% or their members from middle class is MQM.
So, if they had to choose one from 3 feaudals than why not the one who is actually in coalition with you in your province and is most likely to win.
You know that MQM would not vote for Nawaz League, since Nawaz Shareef was against the coalition in Sindh. And they refuse to have dialogue with MQM.
There was no chance for Qaaf league to win and giving them your vote was indirectly supporting Nawaz against Zardari.
I know my comment will be rejected in the moderation since i spoke different than what you believe in. But if you have enough Zarf then please post this comment and let others decide…
I belong to Karachi and i always dislike MQM but the biased policies of mainstream media has motivated me to speak on their behalf, since I like balanced and unbiased news.
Also, if you can please upload Nadia Khan show where she interviewed Nazim-e-Karachi Mustafa Kamal.
Thank you,
Asfeen Ali
MQM is a party of Munafiqs and Ghundas!
Remind me a single occasion where this party has done anything for Pakistan’s better future or prosperity!
Their leaderships hear and soul stay with India!
There existence is beyond apprehension. I agree there isn’t any thing that they have done for Pakistan except creating anarchy and chaos in Karachi.
Karachi has/had the potential to be among the few big, advanced and metropolitan cities of the world. But this MQM mafia has hampered the progress and hijacked our beautiful city. I really wish Karachi people realize soon and themselves kick this mafia out of Karachi. Shame on ppp for getting in alliance with murderers.
@ aahmad
you and people like you are Ignorant and RACIST.
you don’t know the political situation of Sindh at all, Go research by yourself.
Answer me one question, Why there is no other party in power except ppp and mqm ???
If you believe in democratic systems then believe that mqm has the vote bank and Zardari has become a president through a democratic process, even though i don’t like both of them.
If your party has lost or has been loosing then it does not mean that other party is traitor or munfiq or gunda. If you look closely then you will know all parties in Pakistan are munafiq and gunda.
so whats wrong with MQM voting a feudal?
their real objective is collecting ‘bhatta’ for their ‘kali mata’ in London…and with electing such type of feudal they will have a free hand in collecting bhatta!!
i think feudal suits MQM most….both categories dont like to work and earn lots ….khooob guzre gi jab mil bathein gai divane do…. hell to do with poor ‘awaam’
Well as long as their Big criminal Boss Altaf is getting the ministries, bhatta, flourishing gundaism why will he vote for a Judge?. These type of persons sell their own self for minor gains…..
Look i request all on this forum to unite and do something soon…
Zardari, Altaf, Diesel all of them are mentally sick people ….. But we are worse because we sit and watch…
With regards to people who vote for Altaf… i can assure you they are doing so on the name of race and culture….
@aahmad
Come on, dont say that MQM has not done any thing good, i know atleast one thing that they have done and is by any mean the best thing happen to Pakistan. They thrown Jamat out of Karachi. Jamat is not doub’t the most fascist party of Pakistan. Lets salute MQM for this great thing they have done for Karachi.
I agree that MQM is corrupt but so do Nawaz League, Jamat, PPP, Qaaf league, ANP and “1 Man Party PTI”…
They all have there own motives and they all serve anyone but the people of Pakistan. But whose fault is this??? The people who elect them, The people of Pakistan.
As I mentioned in my previous post that I never liked MQM, but here is my delima..
I belong to Karachi and when I go to cast my Vote I have to use the rule of elimination to find the party who will be least of the problem for my city; and every single election I can’t find anyone but MQM.
Every single party has always ignored if not worked against my city. Punjab League, Bhutto Party, Jamat-e-GhairIslami, none of them care a single bit about Karachi “the bread earning kid of Pakistan”.
I know MQM has done too many bad things too but on the same time they have done so many good things for the city… Just go visit the city in last 2.5 years this kid Mustafa Kamal has changed the face of the city… I know he couldn’t do all that by himself, that’s where he needed the support of Ishrat-ul-Ibaad who needed support from president Musharraf. So this combination worked out good for the city.
Whole city dhairh carore awaam of karachi love this kid for all what he has done, but you guys don’t care and appreciate his work, just because he belongs to Karachi.
Musharraf was hated by the media and a lot of other people just because he was urdu speaking, it wasn’t because he was dictator, otherwise you will be loving Zardari the most democratic persident of Pakistan…..
“Pakistan ka Khuda Hafiz” (President Musharraf)
MQM has always favoured powerful party to keep control of Karachi. They can not afford to lose that oppressive control. Karachi People will break free if someone else gets powers. Therefore MQM will stick to power and they have NO PRINCIPLE.
@Asfeen.
I am also urdu speaking and I think this post by admin was about exposing MQM’s contradiction that they claim to be anti feudals but in reality they have always supported feudals to stay in power. That is a fact.
Now what you are telling us is that MQM has done some construction work in KHI so we should all praise them. With that criteria we should also praise Pervaiz Ilahi for starting mega construction projects in Punjab and forget that he was corrupt and supporting the dictator unconditionally.
When you were voting than you should have voted on the national issues not bcoz some one has taken billions from federal budget and spend some thousand out of that on improving sewer system in the city.
If people hate PML-Q for supporting dicatator, supporting Lal Masjid massacre, supporting killing of our people in Fata/Baluchistan & May 12th, making fun of CJ & judiciary than they have all the right to hate MQM as well. Why one should just bash PML-Q and keep praising MQM because they belong to our city.
@JKS you give me hope. I thought our urdu speaking brothers and sisters had lost any sense of judgement.
Alot of my friends lament that for democracy to work in Pakistan people have to be educated. My usual counter argument is that look at the most educated group of Pakistanis, who do they elect! Bhata khors and not only that, they want us to praise them for it and may be vote for them because they improved their sewer!!! To prove that we are not racist. I think our sister afseen does not quite understand that that mohajirs can be an ethnic group but not a race. As regards Bhatas a Doctor friend of mine told me how much his parents pay in bhatta.
@ JKS
Again, who is not a feudal party, PPP, PML N or PML Q. MQM is more civilized than many of us here. Atleast look at ur languauges shows ur mentality n good background.
@JKS
If you are an equal opportunity hater of all the politician of Pakistan, then I am 100% with you.
If you tell me that it’s better to not vote at all then to vote for a party like MQM, then that’s exactly what I do in every election.
But don’t me to vote for any one who is available right now because they wont even do “SOME” construction and spend “FEW THOUSANDS” to improve the sewer system of the city.
I would love to think about the other national issues but trust me development of Karachi is one of the biggest national issues, which no one ever think about. Karachi is the bread earner for rest of the country. People from all over the country come to Karachi to improve there life style, they earn here and send it to rest of the country, people of Karachi always welcome this. But at least rest of the country should show little gratitude and appreciation.
No matter where in Pakistan you go, you will only find policeman from the local community, and I can never find 1 policeman from Karachi in Karachi, all i see are punjabi and hardly a few sindhi but no urdu speakings, why?
Everyone is ready to point fingers at my city but no one really thinks about providing solutions.
They only solution I hear is to get rid of MQM!!!
When I go to police for any issue, they disrespect me, the victim. Sometimes they don’t even speak urdu…They don’t wanna serve my community, they wanna serve their own, closer to their family.
Do you think the people of Karachi are so Jahil that they cannot see who is doing what to them??? They just need better alternative to replace this.
It’s a failed strategy to get rid of a bad leader (Musharraf), when you don’t even know that the one who will replace him (Zardari) will be worse.
Trust me we do know what’s wrong in MQM but we cannot have Nawaz, Zardari, Qazi, Imran or anyone like them to take over.
@JKS
Dont become urdu speaking just to bash MQM. Your post clearly tells about your belongings.
MQM is a party that truly work for thier community, most visitors in this forums who writes here belongs to Punjab. I dont want to go in detail in support for MQM but I know that for better interest of Karachi MQM voted Zardari, but the politician like NS wants to destroy Pakistan.
Zardari wants everyone to sit together for better interest of Pakistan.
but NS “ONLY WANTS TO RESTORE JUDGES”
why NS or PMLN stands for Afia Siddiqui??
correction “WHY NOT NS or PMLN stands for Afia Siddiqui??
And lastly, this is my BIGGEST argument my fellow countrymen is that please please please, when someone is doing a good job, do appreciate the work without hating him because of his political affiliation.
I can provide you lists of developments Mustafa Kamal has done in 2 years then any of your “elected” Prime Ministers may have done for the country collectively.
He is only responsible for the city and he is doing hack of a good job. I don’t even care right now if he is sending 50% of this money to Altaf, because at least he is spending rest of the 50% percent for the right things. Others don’t do a “ratti barabar kaam”.
Once again, we are educated enough to know who is doing what to us, we just choose the least of an evil.
Find me anyone better, and I am with you…
In fact, in the early days of Imran Khan, I started like him, I thought he is the “one” who can bring change. He is the one who will say NO to any corrupt politicians. But no, he turned out to be just another hypocrite.
Before Musharraf, he was like, “kick benazir and nawaz out”. Once Musharraf kicked them out, then he needed something to cry about. So he was like “bring them back, let people of pakistan decide”. Now they are back and Zardari is the choice of the people of Pakistan, and he is like “he’s corrupt…he’s corrupt”. Dude make up your mind, what the heck do you want???
Afia Siddiqui reminded me of USA…
This is the policy of our major politicians of pakistan regardless of their political affiliation.
“If you are in Power, USA is your best friend; If you are not in Power, USA is your worst enemy”, this goes for all including Zardari, Nawaz, QAAAAF, Fazlu anyone…
@JKS,
Come on you don’t know who you are. You are just a thug, the jamati thug. Never accepted Pakistan and now don’t want to accept the development. Kabhi to aankhain khulain gee.
If ppl like to vote MQM then let them do it.
Live and let other ppl alive!
MQM take advise from thier root level party workers then the decision make its not like one person controlling and making it own decision.
if they voted for Zardari means its a decision of all party workers.
PREAMBLE: As Imran Khan said “I have studied with English People, worked with them and settled down over there own business dealings,they are truley selfish people they will never offer you/any xyz even a glass of water if there is any sign of danger,damaging any single their interest.”
I See Eye to eye with IK as I have also achieved the CORPORATE LAW DEGREEE & played League Cricket over there. HENCE!
LOGICAL QUERY:
WHY They/UK govt. allowed to MQM Leadership to promulgate and run their machinery full fledged direct from London?
mansoori 5/5
Now this is absolutely mind boggling .Most of the people are ignorant of the fact that in Karachi no crime could happen with out the blessings of Police and more than 90% of our SHO’s are from the biggest province .I think we must also see that how the so called man of Principal Nawaz Sharif invited Q league from the back door and still insisted to be a “gentleman” politician. He refused to have any dialogue with MQM though he was the man who stabbed in the back of Karachiatte in 1992 by creating a rival faction amongst MQM and must be held responsible for hundreds of killings happenen then.He was also the person who asked his Gundas to attack Supreme Court so there is no way he could be supported this time.
The only choice left for MQM was to support PPP and the nominaion of Asif Zardai was not their choice.
All the leaders of Jamat-e-Islami and PTI said that Musharraf was kicked off on 18th Feb by people of Pakistan as a result of fair elections but the same insane and hippocrate dont accept the mendate MQM had on the same day from the people of Karachi.
MQM have their own flaws , no doubt , but then every party has and in the current situation of Pakistan they made the right decision.
@asfeen
I know MQM has done too many bad things too but on the same time they have done so many good things for the city… Just go visit the city in last 2.5 years this kid Mustafa Kamal has changed the face of the city…
look at the Law and order situation in karachi, Civilian rae not secure they burning theives alive,every week new government building set on fire,look at the face of poor karachi people no job t, New roads, New Parks New plaza can not buy ‘rooti’ for Karachi people. In reality Karachi is alreday in Humenterian Disaster.
@asfeen
I know MQM has done too many bad things too but on the same time they have done so many good things for the city… Just go visit the city in last 2.5 years this kid Mustafa Kamal has changed the face of the city…
look at the Law and order situation in karachi,every week new government building set on fire,look at the face of poor karachi people no job t, New roads, New Parks New plaza can not buy ‘rooti’ for Karachi people. In reality Karachi is alreday in Humenterian Disaster.
I think MQM is not a political party but a group of Gunda’s. The head Gunda is living in London ( Ex cab driver) and even not pakistani national.
i couldnot undestand about mqm politics,few examples , that mqm s leader says (in charter of democracy,nawaz sharif n benazir shaheed admitt that no any judje ll be accepted who had been took oath under pco so justice iftikhar ch is a pco judje because he had took oath in 99.)BUT another side they (mqm)aspect that peoples of pakistan n media accept them as mutehida qaumi movment niether than mahajir qaumi movment)IF justice iftikhar,s past is rememerable so how can we ignore mqm,s past.
2nd…mqm says they represent middle class of pakistan but always they cooperate with miltry dictator ,and miltry dictators often protects interest of feudal lords.recently mqm suport gen mushraff ,and now they suport zardari who is a feudal lord.
3RD…WHEN justice iftikhar took notice against a feudal lord of sindh in case of manoo bheel(his all family was kidnapped) then mqm was with feudal lord rather than poor family.they not apreciate chief justice nor they condemn feudal lord.
AS A STUDENT OF POLITICS OF PAKISTAN I WANT TO KNOW THAT WHAT IS THE ORIGNAL POLICY OF MQM.mazhar ch blackburn uk.
email…. mazharchoudhry@hotmail.com
@Shah30/Swali.
I am not sure why you can’t accept a difference of opinion. Being urdu speaking does not mean that by default vote should go for MQM. May by living outside Pakistan for a long time I am less brainwashed than you guys.
Anayways I respect your choice and I have given my version on this so no worries. Peace
@asfeen,,
sorry to say but u r trying to justify one wrong with other… I served a multinational bank in karachi for couple of years and being a punjabi I admitt that the karachi has been exploiteted by rest of pakistan… But trust me the main hatered against mqm is not that party but the chief who is leading a total literate and civilized people… and the only reason is that due to his personality the image of a democrate and real party has been hijacked… and people follow him as u rightly said they dont have any choice… i met people who say that they hate him too but they cant dare to oppose him and they will remain no more..
why u dont want us to oppose zardari coz rest of the people are the same,, o come on, we love our country and we want a change,,, we pray and we atleast express what we dont like happening with our country..
God bless pakistan..
MQM hmm *Yawns* the NROfied terrorist gang..
No matter who is in government,as long as these thugs from MQM are offered the right price(Bhatha-extortion money) to stay quiet and not ruin and destroy Karachi then all is good for them,they got no principles no ethics no values.Just pay them good..
They are holding karachi at gun point and asking ransom in return,they don’t care if a plunderer is elected as president or a serial killer,all they are interested in is their bone which they will be licking..
90% of the police in Karachi is from Punjab and that is the cause of the security situation in Karachi because that police humiliate the locals and they are all involved in corruption and earn billions of rupees from Karachi.
All the people who are abusing mqm are Jahil because they don’t know any thing what the reality is in Karachi.
I agree with Asfeen, The people who are opposing her is because of the race or hate against the certain group of people.
I have studied in Karachi and have seen the situation closely. None of the political parties have done anything for Karachi except mqm.
Karachi people have been left alone with their problems until some doctors united behind Altaf “Kalia” who has been raising his concerns (watch his interview at brunch with Bushra).
I was there when NS started the operation against Karachi and still there are thousands of youngsters are missing, and this became the rise of mqm.
Pakistan army always fired bullets on the crowds like they were animals and humiliated the people there, i witness that.
Why the killing of these people was ok but the killing of the son of the soils is not ok by army. because all the son of the soil hate this group.
I am son of the soil but i do not hate any one or any group in Pakistan.
We Pakistanies are racist and live in tribes and this is why we support our tribe leaders blindly even though they are corrupt.
So all the mqm bashers, Shut up and get educated and look for the same corruption in your political party.
Pakistan is not safe unless we stop voting for the corrupts.
@ iamsowise
U r right the law & order situation in KHI is very bad but again my friend the policemen should be local people not from other parts. There are many family in KHI who has no interest in politics but they support MQM. Because there is no alternatives for MQM in KHI. People in KHI were supporting NS more then Benazir (Marhooma) but they have seen the actual face of NS now and I don’t think so that they can forget that decade. But still in the best interest of Pakistan every one should work together and should respect the provincial rights of the smaller provincess like we have seen a clear stand among smaller provincess for Punjab and in Punjab also only few upper class feudals are playing game & they have no interest for the middle class common people. Give me an example of any one in NS who is still a middle class person.
@assertive78
Totally agree with you, except for the fact the anyone is is forced to cast vote for MQM, they just have no other choice, so please provide me a better alternative and I am with you.
@nam
totally agreed, but i would like to clear one thing out for rest and i am sure 99% of Karachiites will agree
“We do not hate punjabis, we don’t have problem with most of the punjabi awaam. We disagree with policy makers of punjab who believe in Punjab’s Supermacy, if everyone get equal rights in this country, we are coooooooool”
I am agree with asfeen that, we do not have probs with ppl other that urdu speaking, but we shuld hv local polic in khi not from other provinces domiciles.
when u go to police station they talk 2 u in punjabi or sindhi that is not good.
mostly urdu speaking ppl are well educated and they dont descriminate other culture but actually our political leaders are the one who create this hatred among us.
Mufad-Prast, Qatil, Munafiq (MQM) is nothing but a ’syasi tuwaif’.
every one is nude in this hamam!!!!!!
BIG DISAPPOINTMENT FROM MQM!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU, EDUCATED KARACHIANS !!!!
From the Presidential Elections 2008, it’s clear that Punjab is standing Vs rest of the Pakistan. People of Punjab thinks for themselves only and not for rest of the country.
Karachi is generating more than 65% of the total revenue since decades, but never got anything in return from capital. And when Musharraf dare to return anything to Karachi, the people of Punjab stand against him in the form of Lawyer’s Movement. That’s the only reason of getting so much popularity by this movement in Punjab.
Instead all the funds are still allocating to the Punjab on the basis of Population only. This can be understood by an example of a family having 4 or more brothers. Instead of more earning by younger brother the funds distributed by the head of family to the elder brother is more, only because he got a bigger family. And when there is a shortage of any food item in the country including wheat the first thing Punjab would do to impose restrictions on movement of that particular food item. That’s not a justice, but rest of the Pakistan still bearing there biggest brother.
Now as far as Khi is concerned, we don’t know that as we leave from home then to which ethnic group of people we would face regarding any job and friendly speaking we don’t care abt it. And still we ppl of Karachi are called racist only b/c we vote for MQM?
Why the rest of the country (Punjab), don’t accept the decision of ppl living in Karachi if rest of the Pakistan wants democracy then accept the mandate of Karachiates and on the other hand no one said anything for the supporters of other political parties. Like, PPP the most corrupt party who builds up the thieves and Dacoits by aiding and supporting them. Due to this ppl of khi got a situation of Liyari and as well as no one would dare to travel interior sindh after sunset. PPP wants their voters to b still illiterate and voted for them on the name of Bhutto. They didn’t do any development in their constituencies in their all tenures and that encourage their people to leave their places and go to Khi for better living facilities. There leaders have looted this country very badly. They use to play with the future of youths of their constituencies by providing them employments on the basis of fake requirements that create over employment in many national organizations. And the first step of next govt would be to remove those people and make them jobless. That will again boost PPP.
And what we can expect from sharif brothers, who didn’t tire in speaking lie about their agreement for leaving the country and also did not fulfill the conditions they committed. In “Qarz Utaro Mulk Sawaro”, they looted the money from the common people of Pakistan. And now he is threatening that this govt would not go so long and Army would come again. They claim that Pakistan lost Kargil war but y they promote General Musharraf after that and India sacked the higher officers of their forces??? That’s the worst politics that we have in which nothing is national achievement but all is the blame game for the personal interest.
As far as ANP is concerned, after the results of recent elections, their leader Asfand yar Wali said that we have no interest with the judiciary, whoever help them to make their govt in NWFP and supports them to change the name of their province, we will b in coalition with them. Now, one should ask that y ANP was on roads on 12th May to receive deposed CJ that caused more than 50 deaths in Karachi? And when the name of their province ll b change? I’m sure that they never do that otherwise they would have no more objectives to do politics on that.
As far as job opportunities is concerned, my whole class got the job in three moths after completion of their degree. The fact is that the development of city wouldn’t be possible without inducing human resources. As the new govt is continuously saying that Mobiles, bikes and cars doesn’t guarantee a good economy then my question is that who are producing these things?? How many people get employed in cellular companies and TV channels that were licensed by the previous govt??? And still prev policies were so bad that ruined the Pakistani economy????
I think these are the arguments to convince the majority of Pakistan who are illiterate.
The conclusion can be drawn that all political parties have flaws. So, if you want to expose the flaws then don’t single out any one party. All are corrupt and promoting their party’s interest and not the National Interest. So, it’s better to appreciate the good work by any political/regional party that atleast someone perform positively for the country. I hope that will encourage and create a good healthy competition among all.
@marta paki
@ibex999
Shame on you Uneducated Person,
we are having educated debate about few issue and misunderstanding between our fellow countrymen and you are using the language which you probably use with your family. No respect for women when you are using terms like this.
Do you really deserve and qualified to criticize others???
For other respectable Pakistanis, I just want to say that no matter what your political affiliation is, please see they gray areas too, everything is not just black and white and especially in Pakistan. If you are against someone, please do criticize them but not blindly. This creates hatred and division, and we have experienced the similar attitude against Bangalis and their elected leadership, causing the creation of Bangladesh.
The enemies of this country are on the lookout for an excuse to divide us again, because they have never accepted the very existence of this country. Please don’t give the another opportunity, just don’t.
@asfeen
Please enlighten us as to what is “gray” about MQM?
“MQM Votes for Feudal”
Is anybody surprised?
But still the MQM-party is certainly “anti-establishment” and will fight for the poor man…….called Altaf “The victim” and the rest of the “victims” in MQM. AZ will understand surely understand since he and the rest of ZPP members are “victims” too.
MQM & ZPP have used the “victims” role so extensively that it doesn’t work longer than within their own ranks of jiyalas/karkunaaan.
@nota
GRAY AREAS, is a relative term, it means that no one is just bad and no one is just good. In today’s world, the very best person you know may have done some terrible things on the same time the worst person you know may have done something good.
It’s our job to criticize the good person for doing something bad so he/she will avoide that in future and stay on the good side.
On the same time it should be our responsibility to appreciate any good thing a bad person do, so they are motivated to do more good then bad and eventually be a better person.
This goes for everyone not just for MQM…
The problem for today’s generation is that we are ALL extremists in all aspects.
We don’t hesitate to pass judgments about others and not look at our selves.
Either we love taliban or hate them; either we love USA or hate’em; either we hate a political party or hate it. We don’t even hesitate to label any muslims as KAFIRs just because they don’t follow they exect Firqa as I do. Is this the right attitude? This this what we were taught by our religion and our founding fathers of this country?
I hope this will enlighten you about the theory of gray areas…
@asfeen
Well i may sound idealist but u dont contribute to devil so it get healthier as people are giving vote and funds for mqm or the party take it by keeping grudge.. who doesn’t know that they take kick-backs from each and every shop or business. Untill unless the mafia in mqm is not isolated they wont allow the real people to step in politics.. I know number of their workers who got life threats once they decided to leave the party and the only escape is to leave the country.. I may be wrong but the best way is to stop them somehow that they dont take money from people against their will. Once funds shrink, they wont be able to survive for long. The important thing is to give a choice, power in the hands of one party is dangerous and thats how mqm is ruling..
I agree with all of these theories and they really look cool on paper. But my friends let’s be realistic and cook your dish with available ingredients. I would love to a Kheer tonight, but I have only an egg and a few spices, so they best thing I can cook is omlette.
Having said that, I would be the first person to not vote for MQM, if and only if I have another option.
Please send me you suggestions, WHO SHOULD I VOTE AND WHY?, I will consider them with open heart and positive criticism.
Altaf Hussain has chosen to become a British citizen instead of living there on asylum and has taken an oath of loyalty to UK. He has no moral right now to get involved in Pakistani politics as his loyalties lie elsewhere as evidenced by his citizenship oath.
Politicians from third world countries occasionally get political asylum in western countries but no leader worth his salt pledges loyalty to another land by acquiring foreign citizenship.
Why Altaf did that?
@asfeen
“The problem for today’s generation is that we are ALL extremists in all aspects.”
That reminded me of a funny but true story.
(WARNING: IT IS A BIT CRUDE!)
Recently my father-in-law, a retired Air Vice Marshal, was driving down the road when one of these VVIP convoys tried to overtake him but the messed up and he ended up between the car being “protected” and the lead escort with armed soldiers. Now they got pissed and when they got a chance, they pulled along side him and the head honcho yelled at my father-in-law:
“Don’t you know you can not do that!”
and — I love this part — my father-in-law replied:
“Is the nephew trying to teach the uncle how to fvck?”
At first the guy didn’t get it and said:
“What?”
And the reply was the same:
“Is the nephew trying to teach the uncle how to fvck?”
Finally he got it, and embarrassed, sped away…
So dear, the point is I am much older than the “current generation”.
As far as voting for MQM: if that was the only choice, I would refrain….
@nam
your guess is wrong i am not a NS supporter nor i support PPP.
Grabing govt power with the help of a Dictator this is shame for any party who claim they are Democratic and they believe on peoples power.MQM spend 20 karor on building clifton park but this is not the real face of karachi if u want to see real face of Karachi you should go to Kharadar,Runchor Lane, Usman Abad, Pathan Kot,Malir (only Defence,Clifton and some other posh areas are exception) you will see hope less million of million people every where.i am affraid to say Karachi is a REAL Humenterian Disaster zone, media should talk on this issue.
@ iamsowise
I dont know what kind of a curtain your eyes are covered with. Who gave you the name of towns i think you’ve never visited karachi. Whats wrong with Malir? Kharadar is an old most populated town, Pathan KOT? i dont think there’s any pathan kot in karachi.. Runchorelane was conjusted since day 1 as it is an oldest town of Karchi… I dont know what you are trying to write here….
Karachi is a disaster because of non stop migration from every corner of Pakistan. move this migration to Lahore and then you will know what disaster really is?
God! this population of Punjab is full of hatred and racism.
@asfeen,
Before I comment on your posts, I would like to give you my background in general and with reference to KHI in particular. I have a Punjabi background but my parents had settled in KHI in the late 60s, primarily because my father was in the textile industry and KHI was the largest hub of this industry after Faisalabad. I was not born in KHI but was raised there, went to D J Science college and studied the first two semesters in the NED Engineering University before migrating to UET Lahore. So, I have lived in KHI for over 20 years and even though I do not live there anymore, I know it pretty well.
I was there when MQM came into existence with the blessing of General Zia. So, it was his gift to the nation. When MQM was gaining popularity in KHI, I witnessed most of my Urdu speaking friends started ignoring us and some went to the extent to even stop talking to us; so, such was level of biase and brainwashing that MQM had introduced in KHI. I was later told by one of my Urdu speaking friends that our house was marked by the MQM people among those who were non Urdu speaking.
I was there when the army operation against the MQM leadership was started. One of the reasons of the operation was that MQM was torturing people who did not agree with it. I am sure that people will probably jump in here and argue this statement but like I said, I was there in KHI. I was also there when the famour operation by Naseer-ullah Babar had started where they had discovered a playground somewhere in Nazinabad (I do not remember the same) where people were literally brought in and slaughtered. MQM did not even hesitate to kill its own leaders (remember Azim Ahmed Tariq) who disagreed with the Don Altaf. Remember the famous salogan from MQM, “Jo Qaid Ka Ghaddar hay, who maut ka haqdar hay”, and this is not merely a salogan, this is an oath. So, this is a MQM’s brief background.
MQM was formed on the basis of ethnicity but they used the wrong name for this party because my parents, like the millions of others, also migrated from the Indian Punjab and therefore, are also Mohajirs from this standpoint.
I do agree with you that people of KHI had reservations against things like the quota system, etc., and I have had arguments on this forum with some people in the past, including TK who does not participate anymore, where I mostly argued that things like those were the main cause of reservations. But, having been in full control of KHI for over 20 years now, has MQM changed that situation? MQM’s way of change was to incite violance and it was very evident in a lot of areas where people had started installing “gates” in their communities for security reasons and I saw a lot of them in North Nazimabad. So, what were people saving themselves from?
You have also argued in favor of Musharraf and Ishrat-ul-Ibad and stated that people were against Musharraf because he was Urdu speaking. This is the classical argument from those who are influenced by MQM’s brainwashing. Wasn’t Musharraf the same person who had once stated to Hamid Mir in his interview that Altaf Hussain was the biggest terrorist of Pakistan? Do you deny that Ishrat-ul-Ibad had tens of murder cases filed against him ( like the other MQM top leadership) and he was an absconder? You may argue that those were politically motivated and false cases but then how come MQM has never fought for an independent judiciary so that those “false cases” could be genuinely investigated and they could get justice? Your arguments against Imran Khan were also blatently flawed, especially that he was kicked out by Musharraf. IK was the one and has been the one who has stated again and again (and NO other politically party has said it including the one that MQM was supporting in the past, PML-Q and supporting now, the PPP) that people of KHI had genuine reservations but MQM’s way of violence is not the answer. I really do not buy your argument that you do not like MQM but you have to choose the “lesser evil” because MQM is not a “lesser evil” from any standard. How would you justify the statement of Altaf Hussain that he had issued in India against the existence of Pakistan? I would be really interested in seeing how you will defend that.
@asfeen yes u r right there wont be any choice if u r not ready to consider it.. why parties are so important than the idealogy… I think mayosi gunah hay,, and this z what mqm has established in the mind of the people that either there way or no way, nothing could be better than them,,the last stage of Imaan is a level where one can see devil as an option and nothing else.. why in rest of pakistan independent candiates win but not n karachi,, coz they cant survive writing their name against mqm’s candidate.. leave everything and answer one simple question, Mr Altaf Hussain was the one recommended first the name of zardari as president, do u expact this from someone who has 10% reasonability? I am neither in karachi nor in pakistan to identify the choices but i m sure there are independent candiatae who dare to oppose mqm taking risk of their lives, one should support them but not mqm considering the only choice. mqm wont be that bad if their is balance of power but leaving them independent, above the law and with all power is not wisdome.
”Awaz e khalq ko naqqara e Khuda samjho”,, jo sab kahin usay maan lo,,, unlike past i dont know a single literate person who wupports mqm rather they hate it.. Those are the people who wants divide and rule to serve their own interest and they are only successful if the mohajir nish is their once people feel they are pakistani, there wont be any mqm
It is Ramadan, lets not abuse each other.
Like Nawaz Shairif, Asif Zardar, and other leaters of the political parties, MQM also made mistakes in the past. But, there is no doubt that development of Karachi is due to Musharraf, through MQM nazim. We should not be bias and recist and now it is time that we should try AZ if he sticks to his promises. Karachi people were targeted and discriminated in the past, and that was the result in the shape of MQM. Now MQM is different and other parties do recognize it. We should try mend our differences instead of digging the past.
This is a bitter truth that fate of this country depends upon USA. Why not to lease this country to USA. At least, we will have prosperity, no threat from India, religious freedom, respect for the mankind, human rights, scientific & technological developments according to our traditional & societal requirements, implementation of law (the law which make cry to Bill Clinton upon cheating to the nation), collection of revenue and proper distribution among the poor (Islamic spirits), lack of corruption, transparency etc.
Just watch these two videos and make your own judgement about the MQM leadership.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWrfXQTXtE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk2Gv6Lcu4o
Punjab supported Mohajir “Siddiqui – Presidential Candidate” but so called Jiyae Mohajir did not support actual Mohajir who povided justice to the people of Karachi during his service life even Katimata did not support his Mohajir “Musharaf”. Musharaf was crying on television due to the fact that he was defeated by Mohajir (Mir Sadiq / Mir Jafir). So pitty.
At this time, every politician is playing politics in Pakistan except Mohajir. He got dual citizenship, still called Mohajir. After immediately 1947, they were called Panaahgir like Rassagir, now in decent terms called Mohajir. Please omit word Mohajir, now consider yourself as Pakistani and Big Mohajir has dual nationality. He should visit Pakistan as Britain National. Why he is afraid? Coward………
@ khanlala
you people just take the talk out of context and use it for your political gains.
This has been agreed by many scholars that if Pakistan were not created then the Muslims of the sub continent would have been in majority and not fighting themselves like they are doing now, instead they all would have been against hindus.
This argument does not mean that they are against the creation of Pakistan.
This is what your racist mind can not comprehend because you have not been the subject of racism in this Muslim country.
@Mr10percent – I will be eternally grateful to Jinnah and our leaders of the independence movement for creating a separate homeland for us. I will happily sacrifice 170million of us (including myself) for an inch of this great country.
@Mr10percent
I think you did not watch the videos. These are some short funny clips from Altaf Hussain speeches. These are not about partition or creation of Pakistan.
I was born, lived and had schooling in Karachi. I do not believe there is any racism and disrimination against MUSLIMS migrated from India. Infact MQM whole politics run on spreading racism and hatred among the muslims of Pakistan. If there were any racism against the migrated muslims of India then how come we have two Presidents and two Prime ministers and an Army Chief and several other on high portfolios from Migrated muslims of India in our short history. Our country is open for all talented people no matter what ethnicity he belongs. I do believe we are not living in an ideal country b/c the reason this country was created from MUSLIM to live their according to Islamic values as muslims only. Unfortunately our elder did not implement that and now we are all divided into bunch of ethnic groups. That’s way we lost East Pakistan. I don’t want to score points against any one just request we have to think beyond our ethnicities and live and built this country as a model ISLAMIC state.
– Sorry if i hurt some one feelings–
let me give you a couple of examples of racism on grass root level, which really frustrated me.
In Karachi when I ever go to grab a cab or rickshaw (90% times the driver is Punjabi or Pathan), I can understand punjabi and pushto but never spoke in right accent. Any time I have tried to bargain with any of these guys I could never get more then 10% cost adjusted, which I always thought is a reasonable margin so I was happy.
Once my cousin was visiting me from Pindi, who was also spend time in Quetta so he has good command in languages. When I was traveling with him, he always talked to the cab drivers in their language and always got upto 50% off the asking fare. I was amazed but I gave them a benefit of doubt that they are treating him as a guest from different place so okay that’s alright.
Now my brother visited Lahore and had to take cabs to travel around, he was told certain fare to commute between certain areas and he was paying the amount with no problem, UNTIL he ended up traveling with his friend who was punjabi speaking, and foundout that he was paying twice as much fare every single time he was taking the cab.
The only difference was, he was speaking URDU.
now in above situation there are no politicians involved and no one had MQM badge on their chest, just because of our language we were paying twice as much.
I didn’t want to right this over here because it will give MQM supporters one more reason to complain about but it’s true and those who pretend that there is no discrimination against Urdu Speaking community should realize that to see this discrimination you have to live a life of Urdu Speaking.
For last few years I am in United States and I have seen more respect and freedom as I have seen in my own city. No one can charge me extra just because of my accent, I am treated exactly same way as my Goray friends etc.
I hope we have the similar attitude in Pakistan, and we all treat each other with out and discrimination (which is not a case right now).
asfeen, take a chillpill, you don’t need to find discrimination against urdu-speakers is every act. It just a simple act of fleecing by people who want to make money. The same thing happens with pathans in Lahore. You gotta talk to them in Pashto and then they ease up and lower the prices for their merchandise. I am a Punjabi, but speak urdu in general. I can’t make rikshaw drivers lower their fares, but my dad, who speaks punjabi does wonders! Why? not because of any racist favors; speaking your own language just makes the shopkeepers/drivers more open to bargaining, whatever there native language be.
@asfeen,
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…The only difference was, he was speaking URDU….
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I am sorry to say but I do not buy this story. Like I have mentioned above that I am from Punjab. Because I was raised in KHI, I do not speak Punjabi even though my parents do. I do understand all different dialects of Punjabi but do not speak it. I have lived in LHR for over six years and despite not speaking Punjabi anywhere, I never had this type of issues.
I wonder why this Blog and its contributors negatively focus so much on MQM and criticise MQM day in day out. AZ has been elected as a President through a due process and many contributors of this Blog cannot digest the fact that democracy is the name of numbers to win seats or win Prime Ministership/President. MQM is a political party of Pakistani political system and it is upto MQM to look after its political interests and vote anybody for the top post. ANP did too no one talks about them; why MQM is always target of hate and criticism for majority of this Blog users? Both NS and AZ formed an alliance to get rid of Musharraf and AZ used NS to get rid of President and he did so quite nicely. Politics is name of give and take and take care of other small political parties as well and also beating opposition both in the assembly and outside. People should stop crying about political tactics used by PPP to gain power and now NS has been clean bowled by AZ for next 5 years and I hope this assembly to complete its tenure of 5 years. NS supporters should wait for next 5 years and he himself should engage in positive criticism of current Govt to prosper process of democracy in our country. By working together and respecting each other’s political views, we can stave off threat of Army rule from our country for good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knqmGD8Nx-I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNe_Ksng5q8
Now decide, who’s racist?
MQM workers are using ‘Mahajar’s Card’ to protect their party but every 1 know MQM is not real reprenter of Mahajar’s society.
Stop criticizing MQM, it is enough. Before MQM came into existance, we lost larger part of Pakistan (Bengladesh) due to similar racial discrimination being shown by some of our brothers. Please, lets work together that would be beneficial for all of us. Otherwise, we should learn lesson from history.
MQM.
The Terrorist,The Blackmailer,
The Racist,The faschist organization.,security risk for our beautiful Pakistan,WHY you guys excepting something good from this criminals gang????MQM IS BLACK&ORANGE FOR PAKISTAN.
Should have been banned long ago.
MQM stand was very clear since beginning on judges issues & even on 17th amendment. There are many things positive in 17th amendment otherthan 58 2B and few others like appointment. No one raise these issues but MQM is very clear to their point of view regarding 17th amendment.
Now on terrorist if you know a little bit of history–> if u waana destroy a nation there is a very common tactics of declaring that nation or people as terrorist and start using media against those people to create a hatred among others.
People in KHI knows better what is ground reality in KHI and they accept every one from Pakistan wholeheartedly.
Never before in History of Pakistan so many LOOTERS have come together like this.
Either it is another dark period in Pakistans life as were the 70’s, fall of Dhakah etc or may be Allah SWTA has heard the prayers of the ghareeb awaam and He SWTA has decided to purify Pakistan of daakus.
@admin
Admin, what’s happened to the weekly polls? We know there is an effort from PPPP to manage the media, we hope that hasn’t influenced PK as well.
@ Asfeen
in response to your original comments:
you said;
When Musharraf was President, you always complaint about dictatorship and ask for democracy, now you got “democracy” and you are still unhappy.
my argument; This mess that you call democracy is Musharrafs excrement. The way elections were rigged, the way certain Party leaders were kept out of elections etc all this is any thing but democracy.
You said;
With all the corruption and terrorism aside, MQM has respected (for any political reasons) the choice of the majority of this country and nominated Zardari for the position
I Say;
why doesn’t MQM show the same sentiment towards the publics wishes for CJ Iftikhar and Lal Masjid, FATA, Moshes rape of constitution and judiciary.
Also, you may be able to put MQM’s corruption and terrorism aside very easily since your so extra impartial but about a hundred and sixty nine point nine million Pakistanis would find it very difficult to turn a blind eye to such things so easily.
you said;
Who else could they choose (if you really care about “their” choice)?? there were only 3 choices and all three are run by feudals… Sharif feudal, Zardari feaudal, Chaudhri’s feudal
in a show of your extreme impartialness you forgot to acknoldge that N Sharifs father Mian Shareef belonged to a lower class family. He started off as a simple ironmonger and becuse of his own hard work acquired the estate he did. NS is not a feudal. You also in you rush of impartialness forgot the fact that presidental candidate of PMLN was not NS but an hounorable judge( what Nasim Shah says abut him is nothing but shameless lies). However we all know it would have been particularly difficult for MQM to vote for a Judge such as Saeeduzzaman ( even though he was Urdu speaking!!)
It is clear that your dilemma is that you have sympathies for a terrorist party simply because it churns out worthless rhetoric about the “rights of Urdu speaking” and “poor marginalized Sindhis” and your hate for other parties is your impartiality.
Leave the well and join the outside world. Weave your self in the fabric of Pakistaniyyat and Muslim Ukhuwah rather than submitting to propaganda.
MQM is a queer party of its type in Pakistan.It does not believe in principles as far as politics is concerned.It always go with high Winds and try its best to collect benefits of its services to any one.At one time it does hesitate to play hell on a party and can massacre 60 human beings but at another time it step forward to propose Mr.Z. as the best candidate for President of Pak.for which it will try to snatch a bundle of benefits . It is an Opportunist Party but its Leader is very articulate to use the opportunity to its best as and when it is available.It is common perception among the people of Karachi (except MQM Benefitters)that it leaves no stone unturned to bag the votes and get Wins by Hooks or by Crooks (Kalachinkof)that is why it is Triumphant in city of Karachi but it has not increased its influence in other parts of the country.For this its London based Leader controlling all these operations very successfully deserve applause but this can happen only with some underground help.
MQM should have supported a respected and undisputed person like Justice (R) Saeed uz Zaman Siddiqui on merit. But there is no merit in MQM
Lets not fight ourselves over MQM role. You have to keep peace with you neighbour, therefore MQM has to join Sindh party. This time, it happen to be PPP. Not many people are happy with this coalition, but this is the way it goes in the politics. If Nawaz Sharif had extended his cooperation, he could easily form the Government in centre and porvince. We all have deficiencies, but criticism is not the cure. We should look ahead with honesty and without any prejudice to create tolerence and accept each other. Racial discrimination is killing us and we all should get rid of it as Muslim.
@muntazir
First of all I like your reasonable arguments; these are signs of educated person.
Right now don’t want to repeat what I have said but wanted to mentioned one thing strongly about CJ Iftikhar.
Most of the Pakistanis started loving him after he got suspended. But I used to love this guy before that…After he got suspended I don’t like him anymore…
I used to like him because he was strong against the Government and he was trying to enforce the same rule for all the people regardless of their status…GREAT…LOVED IT.
As soon as he was dismissed media and politicians started protesting, but I believed that Mr. Iftikhar is so confident on his innocence and trusts the judicial system of Pakistan so much that he will strongly face the charges and fight like a citizen of Pakistan…
But he refused to face the charges… he thought he is above the law, he thought he can take action against anyone but no one can point fingers at him!!!!
In last year and a half, he has not faced any of the charges by Naeem Bukhari. The only case he fought was against the suspension. It means all he wanted was his job back not the rule of law…
He knew if he goes in karachi by road there can be casualties. Govt. warned him and asked him to take a helicopter but he refused and took the road… causing dozens of deaths…
I know the argument that 12 May was MQM’s terrorism; but my question is that didn’t he know, what happened to his “judgment”?
Once again right now I am not defending MQM aur Musharraf actions in these situation but Mr Iftikhar was equally responsible if not less for all these incidents. Just to get his job back so many innocent civilians lost there lives… Does he think that there can’t be anyone in the whole supreme court worthy of replacing him…
Is he really that good….
This is the only point I strongly disagree with most of the Pakistan…..
@asfeen
“He knew if he goes in karachi by road there can be casualties. Govt. warned him and asked him to take a helicopter but he refused and took the road… causing dozens of deaths…”
Blaming the CJ for May 12? This is rich!
(For your info, the CJ FLEW to Karachi and NEVER left the airport. Talking about the “signs of educated person”, I don’t see none in your argument…)
For your information
http://www.insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/postid/36691/view/topic/Default.aspx
@nota ji,
Afseen wanted to say that CJ was offered to use helicopter to travel from Khi Airport to the city.
I think, it ll b good if v want to try to undrstand that wht is being saying rather than exposing a single point in other ppl’s view to score some points. V shld left this duty for our (beloved) politicians only.
@danish
every person has the right to travel by road if they wish to…just because its karachi and MQM’s gunda’s territory doesnt mean one has to fly ‘over’ it?
being CJP of pakistan and the purpose of his visit he had every right to demand to travel by road…and gundas and qatil’s of MQM should have been stopped by their master Mush from carrying out massacre of innocent Karachites….
@asfeen
its not the point that IMC is not replacable or he is that good or not. The point is principal that he is the CJP and he cannot be removed the way and under the circumstances he was removed.
If we accept his removal then in future any dictator with a gun can overthrow a CJP/SC and in future no judge will have the courage to stand against the dictatorship which has been haunting our country since its birth.
its not about IMC as a person but SC as an institution and the CJP as a respectable position…..so the real CJP i.e IMC must be restored to ensure we can live like civilised society without fear of armed gunmen raiding our country
@ Malek sb,
I was only clarifying the statement of Afseen. And it’s very clear from my post.
As far as right is concern, govt is the authority and no one can challenge, even the CJ.
MIAN3000 Says:September 7th, 2008 at 3:27 pm mansoori 5/5
Mansoori Says Thanks & So Kind of You.
PREAMBLE: As Imran Khan said “I have studied with English People, worked with them and settled down over there own business dealings,they are truley selfish people they will never offer you/any xyz even a glass of water if there is any sign of danger,damaging any single their interest.”
I See Eye to eye with IK as I have also achieved the CORPORATE LAW DEGREEE & played League Cricket over there. HENCE!
LOGICAL QUERY:
WHY They/UK govt. allowed to MQM Leadership to promulgate and run their machinery full fledged direct from London?
[...] them towards each other. On such occasions Altaf bai always forget his anti-Feudalism rants and gets ready to support feudals in form of Zardari and Nawaz Sharif. It was MQM who was whining about 1992 [...]
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