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No worries Bro. Just trying to get my point across but may be doing so indelicately.

my apologies, I did’nt mean to imply that you per se are a bigot, or a racist, only the comments posted. It is exactly a case of attacking the message and not the messenger, however. I perfectly understand your position, I am too a punjabi, but that comes second to me being a Pakistani.

Revel as we may in our culture, but it is Pakistan who has given Punjab an identity (and Baluchistan, NWFP, Kashmir, and rural/urban sind), and not the other way around.

“i’ll still grant the biharis stranded in bangladesh a right to live in Pakistan purely on a humanitarian basis”

Can you explain to me how this is a humanitarian crisis ? These people are being offered a chance to live in BDesh but they are still refusing it cause they want URDU to be the medium of communication. BDesh is more peaceful than Pakistan and will likely not default in near terms. I can’t understand how is this a Humanitarian crisis ? They have a chance to assimilate in a society that is more tolerant than others and they keep refusing it.

now regarding this :
“I still think your comments carry a hint of masqueraded bigotry, perhaps unintended ignorance on your part is to blame.”

Just because you don’t like my views it does not mean that I am ignorant and Bigot. It’s a classic case of attacking the messenger rather than message. You could not find the counter argument and hence labeled me a bigot,prejudice and ignorant. If you read my post, you will notice that I ( a Punjabi ) is taking up the case of Afghanis and Sindhis. Does it still make me a racist ?

I have nothing against any one but I can’t stomach the idea of accommodate the people who have no respect for my culture and language.

How do you think Americans would feel if a foreign born “texasboy” moves to Texas and start demanding that from now on all Cow Boys should walk around in kurta Pajama and speak urdu. Just kidding -:)

first thing, biharis are NOT the progenitors of the Urdu language, mind you, Urdu is the official language of Pakistan, it seems a bit vague on their part to enforce a language that is not “inherently” their own. (unless ofcourse they justify it by saying that it is a sign of their love for pakistan in saying they speak Urdu), I have not had any, shall we say, fabolous experiences with Biharis either, I found them as a bunch to be very ethno-centric and parochial(though they are not alone, by any means), but i’ll still grant the biharis stranded in bangladesh a right to live in Pakistan purely on a humanitarian basis.

Though it would defy logic for them to insist on coming to Pak the way we are in tatters at the moment, I still think your comments carry a hint of masqueraded bigotry, perhaps unintended ignorance on your part is to blame.

it would be much more constructive to shape a dialogue in a more congenial manner, perhaps giving an economic reason, for them not to come here, as opposed to one grounded in your untamed prejudice for anyone that may not share your culture.

Pakistan, if i remember correctly, is a nation that was founded on a idealogy of muslim brotherhood, and as such if i were a strict constitutionalist, I could’nt find a way to stop anyone who calls himself a “muslim” to settle in Pakistan. That we have failed to live up to the raison d’etre of our creation, is an entirely different matter.

http://www.bihartodayonline.com/2006/12/lalu-prasad-offered-to-fight-election.html

Now you tell me why they want to come to Pakistan ? They should go back to Bihar if they want to elect Lalo to any future assembly. So they definately didn’t come to Pakistan for religion ? They love their Bihari language, people and culture but hate Pakistan’s indegineous cultures, people and languages.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced that these people would definately stir problem in Pakistan and will try to impose themselves on others.

We have enough problems in this country and we certainly don’t need any more. These guys are going to cause problem regardless of where they settle in Pakistan.

Biharis in Karachi are frequently clashing with local Sindhis, Balochis and Pashtuns in Orangi Town area of Karachi. These guys are the most ingracious group of people I have ever come across. Here are some of my experiences with Biharis settled in Pakistan,

Karachi: All of the Biharis are foot soldiers of MQM gunda Altaf and have been the instigators of Ethnic troubles on many occasions. Since 1971 ( when they arrived in Pakistan ) they have refused to respect the local sindhi culture ( just as they are doing right now in Bangladesh by not respecting the local culture )

Lahore: I once met a Rickshaw driver in Lahore who was proudly telling me that he does not speak punjabi even after settling in Punjab for last 25 years.

These guys are arrogant and want to impose URDU on every body else this is main reason they are not integrating in Bangladesh. Why should I share my land with some one who has nothing but contempt for my language, culture and values.

Afghanis are a different case, they don’t impose their culture on others and speak the local language regardless of where they settle.

These Biharis ( stranded pakistanis ) were the main reason that Bangladeshis developed feeling of contempt against the idea of Pakistan. Bangladeshis chiefly complained that URDU had been imposed on them to accomodate Bihari immigrants.

I will never invite any one into my home who holds contempt against my family and it’s values. Its as simple as that. These guys should stop being arrogant and learn the Bangla to integrate.