After settling the dust and cooling down of common Indian public that had been made to have high tempers becasue of war mongering, irresponsible sections of Indian media, NOW some voices of sanity are being raised in Indian circles. The way this operation was launched by skilfull and trained terrorists and involvement of a relatively unknown Jewish centre (Nariman House) as one of the targets, weapons carrying style of the terrorists, their response to the security forces in encounters within the hotel buildings points fingers to Mossad for being mastermind behind these attacks, for training of the terrorists and for supplying weapons and other support to terrorists.
At the same time, involvement of Marathi speaking Terrorists as reported in Indian media, the extensive and extra ordinary knowledge of terrorists about the local area specifically about the inside maze of Taj Hotel, appearance of terrorists at various places and then disppearing mysteriously, wearing the Orange bands as per Hindu tradition strengthens the idea that these Mossad trained terrorists were locals belonging to a Hindu extremist organisation like RSS.
Renowned journalist and human rights activist Mr. Amrish Mishra expressed his strong reaction over the terrorist attack and said that this conspiracy was hatched by Israelʼs Mossad and notorious communal party RSS.
Also popular Indian websites like Rediff has debates to raise questions on contradictory statements by Indian authorities and media and pointing fingers to some local group as culprit who were highly skilled and trained and might also have support base within the area.
I saw this on a video. Unwaan “Democracy”
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I am a Muslim.
Kill me and call it a “Collateral Damage”.
Kill others and label me as a “Terrorist”
Imprison me and call it “Security Measure”
Exile my people and call it “New Middle East”
Rob my resources, Invade my land, alter my leadership and call it a ……………… “Democracy”
‘BEARED MAN’ is normally iconofied as TERRORIST…… but MUMBAY is again unique in this regard as well…I mean no beared man… lol… I extend my deepest displeasure to one who planned this kid game…
Evidence strongly points to RAW-Mossad joint venture to start India Pak war.
Search for Zaid Hamid brasstacks on Utube and evidence is very very impressive
All these attackers are hindus and they have all been killed while they were promised that they will be arrested alive.
Indian intelligence staged a drama to help BJP win elections but it has gone terrible wrong. Stupid indian media is now waking up.
Pakistan should stay alert for any indian adventurism
Well it can be Mossad-RSS operation because of the following reasons.
Why the first three persons killed by them were ATS top officails including H.Karkare who was instrumental in exposing hindu extremists in samjhota express case.
What a stupid investigation peole going for such a sophisticated operation were carrying every damn thing made in Pakistan even the toilet roles,Dental gells, Food cans, ID cards, Fleece suits tailored by pakistani Tailors, they could not buy any thing made in India in Pakistan specially in Karachi where you name the thing made in INDIA or any foreign country and get it. I think the routes of Khepia’s from India, Bangkok and Dubai have been sealed by Pakistan Customs. I think ISI is becomming harmless for indians if at all they planned like this.This is a good news for INDIA.
Now it seems that something is coming out and soon the culprits will be exposed.
It is reported that before this tragedy started, some people observed some abnormal activities in that Nariman Building, where some Jews lived, but the Police supposedly ignored their curiosity.
Then the top Indian Officers who was investigating the case of the terrorist acts of an Indian colonel and his associates, were the first to be killed. According to some reports there was threat for their life while they were investigating the dirty crime of blowing the Samjhota Express.
With India turning to a country of economic glory there are many countries that are not happy with their economic growth. The best way to stop the economic growth is to somehow involve a country to a War. Next to that is to create a ciaos in the country. If there is a communal riot, definitely it will halt some investment especially by the minority who will feel unsafe. The most successful business group which flourished during any war is the Bankers. Without a doubt the Bankers around the world created an atmosphere to believe them. With their enormous wealth, they bought up all the major Medias mainly the newspapers and the TV. Mostly around the world there is a stereo type of reporting which suits these Bankers. Whether they are from the USA, Europe, Middle East or any other region, this group is after acquiring and multiplying their wealth at any cost. They do not care if scores of innocent lives are lost. They are neither Muslims, Jews, Christians nor Hindus. They are faithless and all of them are “Zionists”. They are so strong that they can force the government of any country to kneel down to their demands. Recently we have seen Europe and the USA succumbed to their demand by giving to them Trillion of dollars in the shape of Bail out Plan. These Zionists have been able to conquer many countries not by sword but by “Wealth”.
The tragedy of the Bombay’s shooting demands a through enquiry as to who were the real people behind that. Some of the Indian TV was trying to prove Pakistan’s involvement by showing the interviews of some fishermen, who said that they even, saw the guys with the AK assault rifles and their back pack full of ammunitions landing on the shore of Bombay. That leaves a big Question mark about the inability of Indian Navy and the Costal Guard. An investigation be done as to why and who were behind these telecasts.
There is also another report of propagating that Hinduism and Judaism are closely related and those interfaith marriages should be considered the birth of a new religion and be named as Hinjewism.
Unfortunately, for the Zionists, Indians are not a bunch of sheep those are ready to buy what their media says. A vast majority of them are definitely more intelligent than many Western or the Middle Eastern countries.
Perhaps the planner of this terrorism act thought that the immediate reaction to that will be the suspension of any peace talk between India and Pakistan, followed by some harsh exchange of diplomatic abuse which could finally led to another war.
In case if that was a joint adventure by the Zionists and the RSS, it is for sure that the Zionists took advantage of the RSS, which RSS will regret for a long time to come.
It is high time for the Indian Press to investigate the truth and report.
After terrorist mumbai attacks the various Indian channels are broadcasting various “confirmed” stories from their own “internal” sources. Each channel breaks out its own story with such a colorful sensational way that it seems that a cricket or hockey match commentary is going on. Let’s first analyze the different claims we have come cross from Indian media.
1-First “authenticated” report; about 50 terrorists have attacked Mumbai.
2-There are about 30 terrorists , 10 of them are from Bangladesh and rest of them came from Pakistan.
3- Their accent is punjabi.
4- They look like pakhtoon. Their accent is pushtoo and they were trianed in army camps in northern areas close to tribal areas.
5- They are pakistan based uk nationals. They are speaking english very fluently.
6- There were 24 who took one-year training in camps organised by Laskar-e-Taiba (LeT) at Mansera and Muzzarafabad in Punjab province of Pakistan. Ten were later handpicked for the Mumbai operation,” said Ajmal Amir Kasab during interrogations. Rahman chacha is the master mind.
7- All are LeT terrorists, trained in karachi for 1 year.
8- They came that night by boats. The boats were dropped by mother ship of pakistan navy.
9- They hijacked boats and killed the owners.
10- Indian security agencies warned goverment when these terrorists left karachi for Mumbai.
11- Army warned Dawood Ibrahim is involved.
12- Maulana masood Azhar and Jaish-e-Muhammad are involved.
13- ISI ex cheif Nadeem Taj is the master mind.
14- The arrested terrorist belongs to FaridKot near Multan.
All these are different versions of stories claimed by different channels and broadcasted as breaking news received from internal security sources. Though all these stories are very funny and need no more comments but for the people who might get trapped by India propaganda, I want to highlight few of these funny points.
1- The terrorists who carried such a planned attack, but even after a year training they were very soft and easy going for agencies that immediately after his arrest the alleged Amir not only confessed but also disclose the whole plan. (Each news channel disclose different version)
2- When Indian army had the news of their arrival from karachi, then why didnt it’s navy and other security agencies try to seize them?
3- Most of the people know that LeT and Jaish-e-Mohammad are two different organizations and represent two different sects and both of them are very rigid and dont like each other. Then how it is possible that both carried such atack together.
4- The fact about the claim that alleged Amir is from Farid Kot has already published by BBC.
@ Admin.
Thanks for opening-up this topic for discussion & for eliciting views of, us readers of this form;& which to my mind is a GREAT SERVICE on your part, at this point in time. Bravo, admin, BRAVO!
@ Javaid Khan.
You may have noted that such was my opinion as well of many others on this forum, that these events clearly point out to creating conditions to start another Pak-India war?
Unfortunately, for the Zionists, Indians are not a bunch of sheep those are ready to buy what their media says. A vast majority of them are definitely more intelligent than many Western or the Middle Eastern countries.
There are Indians on Mars? Cuz the ones down here, don’t fit that description tragically. They are riht down below or perhaps compete in stupidity, and utter idiocy with the likes of Pakistan’s rulers specifically PPP and cohorts.
^ addressed to @rehbos
More fun stuff:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_india_shooting
The gunman was one of 10 who paralyzed the city in an attack that killed at least 174 people and revealed the weakness of India’s security apparatus. India’s top law enforcement official resigned, bowing to growing criticism that the attackers appeared better trained, better coordinated and better armed than police.
A U.S. counterterrorism official had said some “signatures of the attack” were consistent with Lashkar and Jaish-e-Mohammed, another group that has operated in Kashmir. Both are reported to be linked to al-Qaida.
Oh yes ofcourse, the “signatures seem to be allll over the place!! Except that the LeT has denied any assocition with this. And it makes sense. Why would the atackers want to operate in the deep south? bitch about gujarat massacres and not mention the attrocities of kashmir even once?
Joint Police Commissioner Rakesh Maria said the only known surviving gunman, Ajmal Qasab, told police he was trained at a Lashkar-e-Taiba camp in Pakistan.
“Lashkar-e-Taiba is behind the terrorist acts in the city,” he said.
And said that quite conveniently no? Along with all the convenient explanations for the kalava, the fact they wanted to go out with a bang and not give in (remember he quoting of Tipu Sultan?), And ofcourse the carrying of pakistani IDs, passports etc… LOLZ!!!!
I mean they wore the kalava to fool the would be coast guard and security, but took pakistani pasports and IDs instead of Indian ones while entering the country illegally. wow.
In the first wave of the attacks, two young gunmen armed with assault rifles blithely ignored more than 60 police officers patrolling the city’s main train station and sprayed bullets into the crowd.
Bapu Thombre, assistant commissioner with the Mumbai railway police, said the police were armed mainly with batons or World War I-era rifles and spread out across the station.
“They are not trained to respond to major attacks,” he said.
This is not even funny any more.
With no SWAT team in this city of 18 million, authorities called in the only unit in the country trained to deal with such crises. But the National Security Guards, which largely devotes its resources to protecting top officials, is based outside of New Delhi and it took the commandos nearly 10 hours to reach the scene.
That gave the gunmen time to consolidate control over two luxury hotels and a Jewish center, said Sahni.
As the siege at dragged on, local police improperly strapped on ill-fitting bulletproof vests. Few had two-way radios to communicate.
Even the commandos lacked the proper equipment, including night vision goggles and thermal sensors that would have allowed them to locate the hostages and gunmen inside the buildings, Sahni said.
yah yah we got it. India is a non power.
From his home in Israel, Assaf Hefetz, a former Israeli police commissioner who created the country’s police anti-terror unit three decades ago, watched the slow-motion operation in disbelief.
I’m sure he wasn’t the only Israeli disappointed.
Personally I think that at the most, Pakistan’s connection might be that Altaf Hussain and the rest of his goons might have given gren light to an operation which they in their diseased minds might have resulted in an independant city state of karachi.
The link below explores the dejavu where some hindu terrorists were caught putting blame on the muslims once before @ Malegaon.
This has happened before.
Plus other useful POVs.
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/indian-discover-rss-hindu-terror-cell/
Can any verify the claims by this journalist here?
http://ghulammuhammed.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/gautam-adhikari-speak-up-do-somethingsay-openly-that-the-rss-mossad-are-responsible-otherwise-be-damned-and-consider-the-nation-doomed-they-killed-karkare-to-send-a-message-that-you-cannot-inv/
A photograph publushed in Urdu Times, Mumbai, clearly shows that Mossad and ex-Mossad men came to India and met Sadhus and other pro-Hindutva elements recently. A conspiracy was clearly hatched.
There were reports by witnesses of some attackers speaking English with an English accent. There were also reports of some gun men having pinkish punk hairstyle along with some seeing “White” skinned gunmen.
Britian says there is NO link of the attackers to Britian.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7756464.stm
to vox
Despite the facts that all the Indian media including the newspapers are pointing their fingers on Pakistan there has been no back lash on the Indian Muslims till now. The Indians are not from Mars but their intelligence is far more than the Pakistanis and that is why the country is going up not only politically but economically, which the Zionist do not want. If the Zionists are exposed in India, it will be the end of them. Unfortunately Pakistan protects zionism, the latest protection given to the CJ Dogar at the cost of Justice.
@rehbos: I don’t think you are even listening to yourself. BTW the use of backlash by you is quite whimsical here.
There have been planed mass slaughter of muslims and other minorities in India b4 and it’ll happen again. Right now, the authorities in India both govt. as well as the 3rd class media have been pointing the finger to India’s bogeyman on which they so desperately obsess about night and day: Pakistan, so Indian muslims may take some respite.
The rest of you post about boo boo zionists trying to “expose” India and trying to hurt India has such Ginormous faults of logic, common sense and facts that the only reaction one can sum up for such delusion is
wut wut wut?
But what about LET, why do they still operate openly in Pakistan despite being banned?
Also, who gained the most from this attack if not the taliban who will no longer have to deal with Pakistan army if tensions rise with India?
We must follow who has gained the most in this attack and jihadis in Pakistan seem to be the winners so far.
And unfortunately majoriy of the Indians seem to form the best flock of sheeple I have seen.
While PAkistan’s leaders may reflect the societal decay, but ths canot be said of Pakistan’s media who defy, Pakistan’s intellectuals who defy and Paksitan’s fighters who have vast sympathy of the public who to defy a rogue govt.
Given the writing on the wall, I’d say their is much more life amongst Pakistanis.
Anyways, you’re an Indian and I don’t want to convince you of anything. But at the very least you should stay voal about the misgivings and utter stupidity of Indian media, politicians and security apparatus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXzDxdJKzGg
Shock and desperation in mumbai …and the outlet.
Breaking NEWS:
Bomb Blast In ASSAM on train!
No muslims this time though.
How bout it Bharat?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_india_train_blast
THIS IS AN INSIDE JOB EVERYDAY THEY INCLUDE TWO NEW PEOPLE IN THEIR TERRORIST LIST BUT THEIR REAL THREAT IS I.S.I THEY ALL INDIA AMERICA ISRAEL WANT TO BAN I.S.I SO IT MEANS THEY ARE THE ENEMY OF PAKISTAN BECAUSE I.S.I IS A PAKISTANI AGENCY.THEY WANT TO CONTROL IT SOME TIME THEY TRY TAKE IT UNDER CONTROL OF DEFENCE MINISTRY SOMETIME PPP AND MQM GIVE STATEMENTS AGAINST I.S.I SO ITS ALL HATRED AGAINST PAKISTAN.WHEN VERMA GIVES THREAT RIOTS STARTS IMEEDIATELY IN KARACHI WHY? EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO IS WORKING FOR RAW AND HAS AN INDIAN AMERICAN AGENDA.
The Fall of House of Nariman
…Am I premature in assuming that, once again, Israel was deep in the fell doings of one more outrage against the human estate? It seems not and ‘seems’ is the problem. It doesn’t matter how clearly something seems to be, because it seems that few are going to hear about it.
All over the media today, you hear about how Christ-like (something is wrong with this sentence) the rabbi and his wife were. It ‘seems’ as if their deaths were more profound than all other deaths put together; the loss more significant. You don’t have to take my word for it, just take a look at the main stream news….
Interesting timing to shove this through. Remember, according to American law, it can not have its army taking action n it’s soil (National Guards is for that, but the the national Guard is doing the fighting in Iraq….)
Pentagon to detail military to bolster security
Plan would dedicate 20,000 uniformed troops inside U.S. by 2011
Israel shows it’s guilt by going overboard in accusations:
Captured Terrorist: Mumbai Attackers Had Orders To Kill Israelis
AND here is something from rediff that raises a LOT OF RED FLAGS (e.g. how the fvck did the attackers find time to torture their victims? Why have the torturers faces become “unrecognizable”?) :
Doctors shocked at hostages’s torture
…Asked what was different about the victims of the incident, another doctor said: “It was very strange. I have seen so many dead bodies in my life, and was yet traumatised. A bomb blast victim’s body might have been torn apart and could be a very disturbing sight. But the bodies of the victims in this attack bore such signs about the kind of violence of urban warfare that I am still unable to put my thoughts to words,” he said.
Asked specifically if he was talking of torture marks, he said: “It was apparent that most of the dead were tortured. What shocked me were the telltale signs showing clearly how the hostages were executed in cold blood,” one doctor said.
The other doctor, who had also conducted the post-mortem of the victims, said: “Of all the bodies, the Israeli victims bore the maximum torture marks. It was clear that they were killed on the 26th itself. It was obvious that they were tied up and tortured before they were killed. It was so bad that I do not want to go over the details even in my head again,” he said.
Corroborating the doctors’ claims about torture was the information that the Intelligence Bureau had about the terror plan. “During his interrogation, Ajmal Kamal said they were specifically asked to target the foreigners, especially the Israelis,” an IB source said.
It is also said that the Israeli hostages were killed on the first day as keeping them hostage for too long would have focused too much international attention. “They also might have feared the chances of Israeli security agencies taking over the operations at the Nariman House,” he reasoned.
On the other hand, there is enough to suggest that the terrorists also did not meet a clean, death.
The doctors who conducted the post mortem said the bodies of the terrorists were beyond recognition. “Their faces were beyond recognition.”…
How convinient! From the above link:
There was no way of identifying them,” he said. Asked how, if this is the case, they knew the bodies were indeed those of the terrorists, he said: “The security forces that brought the bodies told us that those were the bodies of the terrorists,” he said, adding there was no other way they could have identified the bodies.
BLOODY HINDU TERRORIST !!!!
Well,
Settles well with Zaid Hamid’s theory: For the first time in history, Jew Zionists are alighning with Hindu Zionist.
I have one doubt in my mind, if anyone can give me answer that would be great. The question is if Mosad is invlove in this operation then why they killed their own 5 jews???
I wonder why Pkpolitics pointout stories too late to old as there is no doubt that
Mossad & Indian diplomatic and naturally CIA officials have significant ingress in the Afghan ministry of tribal affairs, and are exploiting it to conduct covert activities. Indian agents are instrumental in arranging meetings of tribal elders and Afghans with dual nationalities with Indian consulate officials in Jalalabad, and assisting them in spotting and recruiting suitable tribal elders from Jalalabad and Pakistan’s North and South Waziristan Agencies for covert activities.
But as said this has become old.
The fresh is OBAMA has task to BREAK into several parts—Pakistan.
patriotic pakistani Says: December 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 am I have one doubt in my mind, if anyone can…………………..
THE STRAIGHT & SIMPLE ANSWER THIS WAS TO MAKE A FULL DRAMATIZED SITUATION WHICH MAY NOT LOOK FICTIOUS OR SOME SORT OF PARTIALITY. SO THAT SOME OF JEWS BLOOD WAS REQUIRED TO FILL THE COLOUR OF REALISM.
MIND YOU: BEING A —PATRIOTIC PAKISTANI— YOU MUST BE VERY INTELLIGENT NOT LIKE INDIANS WHO ASK OFTEN CHILDISH/FOOLISH QUESTIONS & PRESENTED ON THEIR OWN ELECTRONIC MEDIA—REHMAN CHACHA— & TRIED TO MAKE FUN OF THEIR OWN IN OTHER WORDS THEY HAVE’en TRAPPED IN THEIR OWN NET!!!???
In a telephone interview with CBC News from outside the centre, freelance journalist Arun Asthhana said there are reports that some of the militants had stayed at a guest house there for up to 15 days before the attacks.
“They had a huge mass of ammunition, arms and food there,” Asthhana said.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e-KJCMWcoms
LEAVE ALL DISCUSSION & PLS. JUST WATCH THIS VEDIO THE ENTIRE —CONSPIRACY THEORY— GAME WILL BE UNDERSTOOD, WHICH IS BEING PLAYED BY INNOCENT MUSLIMS BELOVED LEADER —BARAK OBAMA— HAS ALREADY BEEN STARTED ON BEHALF OF ISRAEL.
Hi,
Here is an interesting article
http://www.counterpunch.org/tariq11272008.html
A sane and sober voice amidst such a foray of biased and misleading wilderness.
Same people behind this who did 911 act. It’s clear that they want to put pressure from both sides of Pakistan! It’s not a conspiracy theory anymore, it’s a fact.
I HAVE A VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION TO PROBE OUT THIS WHOLE MESS
after watching a terrorsit picture wearing a traditional/spritual red band around his wrist which never Muslims in INDIA/PAkistan wear.
Pakistan Govt needs to request all the dead bodies of so called terrorist from Pakistan.
“JUST TAKE OFF THEIR TROUSERS AND EVERY THING WOULD CLEAR FROM WHERE THEY ORGINALLY BELONGS”
Indians are demanding 20 persons… What about RSS party leaders? We should also demand in the similar fashion… if we behave like gentlemen..these Indians will mount on our heads… we need to whip them all the time
John McCain and Some Zionist Douchebag make an appearance on the Indian Media.
http://broadband.indiatimes.com/toishowvideo/3785447.cms
P.S. FVCK Lashar-e-Douchebaggiya and I hope these beardo’s are wiped off the face of Pakistan. We don’t need these bloody jihadi’s.
In one particular job Pakistani think tankers are very clear that whether India is ready or not to declare a war but American Admin’n/CIA & Isareli Moosad will never allow to Pakistan Army to move from Northern Areas.
Thus War will not be declared. But CIA at their maximum extent to build up the pressure and thus accept —AMERICAN DICTATION— without raising any single question as if they are Master of this Country.
How was Dawood Ibrahim involved in this ???
(and why Zardari might want him to be handed over? etc.)
the story doesn’t make sense to me… but whatever.
The reality of Faridkot as outlined by one of the most respected newspapers in Canada !
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081202.wxbombvillage02/BNStory/Front
I wish we just handover Zardari to India and let India deal with him.
Ofcourse Zardari will be handed over with the following footnote:
A Laskar-e-Tayyaba agent who masterminded the whole affair and who accidently happened to become the president of the country !
IT
IT
^
LMAO
Nice plan, it should work.
Hi,
Read the following article
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/?p=354
In this article an Indian journalist opined that a destabilised Pakistan would be adventageous to India.
After the post 911, all blames are on Pakistan, they invaded Afghanistan but the question is whenever they want to invade some country they create a dictator first than invade it. we still have dictators look at the comments of our politicians. Let me tell you a story.
Aik badshah tha aissi taran aik dosray mulak nay hamala karana chaha toh auss badshah ko wazir nay kaha ka woh flan mulak hamala kar raha hay toh badshah nay kaha ka halwa pakawoo. Kuch din baad aus mulak ka border k kareeb ati hay forces toh badhash ko jab phir wazir kahta hay k woh toh border tak agayay hain toh badshah phir kehta hay ka halwa pakawoo. Kartay kartay aus mulak pa hamla hota hay per Bashah halwa he pakanay ka kehta hay, Aik din wazir ata hay aur kehta hay k forces bahir agayi hain aur mahil ka bahir hay toh badshah apni jaga say aut khara hota hay aur kehta hay wazir ko k ya masla tum logon ka hay aur tum log he ais ko sambhaloo.
Now for all my brothers there is a question that whether this government and our prime minister is giving orders of halwa ????? or they are acting responsibly.
Promises of independent judiciary were just promises. Now when a country is giving clear statements of strikes still our leaders are saying no just bake halwa.
In the end story which is written by mosad and India is a serious story and drama. The way we are being labelled as terrorist and the way foriegn media is presenting the image is not good and is not in our favour. Every week an average of 25 people are killed in Pakistan because of terrorism which is normal for west. Now when there was an incident in Mumbai Condelica Rice is going for matam.
This is pre planned game to blame pakistan an to destabilize Pakistan.
to vox
Looks like a vast majority of Pakistanis like you live in a dreamland. They like their own dreams and when it comes to Dollars they do not hesitate to kill their own people. The second most corrupt country in the world ruled by dictators and backed by most corrupt judiciary. A country is made by the people and when the people do not want the change and choose to live under tyranny, they deserve to suffer. What is surprising that the people of Pakistan will go all out to support their corrupt political leaders and army generals but will not protest to protect the rights of their own and their future generation? Surprisingly the neighboring Iran changed with less than half the population of what Pakistan has. But the Pakistanis still choose to live under dictatorship and talks as if that is the most powerful and best country in the world.
@rehbos: Truthfully though, I don’t think you even believe what you just said, for that is a very apt description of Bharat.
Incase you have not noticed that unlike the 3rd class bharati mdia, Pakistani media has been at the forefront in the struggle for independant judiciary.
And incase you have not noticed, this is a country where the people also know how to resist an immoral government with guns, and unlike India where every which issue is swept under the carpet and the masses are content with the stale but effective doze of propaganda. Hence in Pakistan th militants enjoy far and wide sympathy, in India the masses don’t even are as to who slaughtered who for what and why in the most vile manner…which ofcourse is always blamed on some “external” player.
Face up to your own issues. Grow up.
As far as Ira goes, yup I give them credit too, they too overthrew a puppet govt. And though the current one is far from my personal standards of properconduct, atleast it is sovereign, and a republic.
And don’t forget to the US and indeed other disinterested western countries Pakistan too is a republic with a flourishing democracy after Feb 18th. lolz
But not for us Pakistanis, we know the reality. And we face up to it.
AOA.
@ vox. good job man
Give it to this guy or whatever this is(rebhos).i have been so against use of strong language in every other forum but you know these guys like their country dont deserve any respect.i suggest “you indians” also show some decency when it comes to discussion if not in any other thing.
‘chamgadars’ (Bats) attacking a funeral…of ‘bombay film shooting’ victim
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/south_asia_enl_1228237008/html/1.stm
i think now we should move forward and think what should we do next. A very good article on it is writen on this link:
Its Golden time (for pakistan after Mumbai attacks)
http://fahad-currentaffairs.blogspot.com/
Media indiano ha avviato una guerra di propaganda contro il Pakistan, senza alcun elemento di prova, la logica e le motivazioni
I medici che ha condotto il post mortem detto i corpi dei terroristi sono state al di là di riconoscimento. “I loro volti sono stati al di là di riconoscimento”. …
Prove punti di forza RAW-Mossad joint-venture in India per avviare Pak guerra. Pakistan deve rimanere per qualsiasi segnalazione indiano avventurismo
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All this conspiracy bullshit would be funny if so many people did not actually believe its true. Wake up people. Indian security services cook up a drama to make india and its own security services look bad? WTF?
Islamist terrorists did this. Some may have come from Pakistan. Some probably came from India. They probably had help from within India. The Indian security services are not very competent. They will now make up stories to cover gaps in the narrative or to coverup their own incompetence. Our police does this all the time, we should be familiar with the procedure. Listening to Zaid Hamid and other bullshitters is not good for your health.
hi,
We request to Indians , indian Armed Forces, MOSSAD AND CIA , Please do not nominate Maulana Fazal-Ur-REHMAN ( Diesel ) , Malik Rehman ( BHANGEE / NEECH AND QAMEE ZAAT ) , PM Of Pakistan ( Busy in Attending Marriages ) , ZARDARI ( President Of Pakistan – Busy in foreign trips and shopping ) .
Army chief and ISI busy in the western front , all other Loyal organizations to Pakistan being bombed and killed by USA and PAK-ARMY , NO ONE IS LEFT TO FIGHT FOR PAKISTAN IN CASE WHEN USA or India will attack Pakistan , a clear front for you Jackals , just march over Pakistan , so The Question is WHO DID ALL THIS ADVENTURE IN INDIA ( Surely Not Pakistan ).
Than who would benefit , ISRAEL , USA OR CHINA ?
BUT ONE THING IS CLEAR,TERRORISTS ARE INDIANS , U PPLZ R DOING MASS KILLINGS N SPREADING TERRORISM in Karachi,Pakistan , through your Terrorist Organization MQM AND TERRORIST ALTAF HUSSAIN .
Also elections r due in India , Congress definently would have done this to kill 200 foreigners n Indians and get the parliament seats. FOR YOU it is only this world , probably not accountable to allah / GOD . Just wait and c , justice from allah , the supreme power
I guess this article is an excellent example of idiotic fantasy that some Pakistanis indulge in. This is at par with the theory that 9/11 was committed by the mossad and cia agents. Well, for your information – I dont think that any mossad or rss or cia agent would lay down their lives to make muslims look bad!!! Would the muslims ever learn? We are so delusional and down in the dumps that we dont see the reality or rather see it but in a stupor where we dont want to admit the truth. Its the belief that since muslims are victims in some parts of the world that we cant do any wrong. Look around us – look at what muslims are doing to other muslims in islamic countries. Just two days ago 43, presumably all muslims, were killed mercilessly in Karachi. Why is it hard for us to believe that if we, the muslims, kill our own brothers without impunity then why would it be hard for us to kill non-muslims. Pakistanis are a paranoid nation. No wonder we are in the state we are in – from the powers to be to the common man. We have become the laughing stock of the world. There is nothing we could do right. We have no self respect. Incompetence is rewarded. We abuse power with no remorse. I know that india does meddle in Pakistan’s affairs – but sending these stupid idiots – barbarians to go in and kill random people is not helping anyone’s cause. Another thing is that even our terrorists are aimless idiots. If one goes through so much effort to meticulously plan to kill hundreds – then why not claim the responsibility and tell the world why are you doing this. Like others who are fighting for a cause usually do. But, even the Pakistani terrorists have no clue why they are doing what they are doing. Nowhere in the world it happens like that – even our terrorists are not man-enuff! yeah they can gun down innocent people or blow them up but they dont have the guts to claim responsibility for it. I am not condoning terrorism here – but when the Palestinians send suicide bombers they make sure the world knows who they were and who sent them cuz they believe that they are fighting for a cause. Here these crazies are gunning down people and blowing them up with no purpose. Being a Pakistani – I tend to not believe the talk about the failed state. But, now I have come to a conclusion that we are indeed a failed state. Its sad – cuz we were full of potential as a nation not too long ago. We can blame outside factors and forces for our decay and descent into abyss – but the truth is that we have brought it upon ourselves. we are all bluster but no substance – we stand up to the weak (not many are weaker than us). As a nation we have no self respect – nations with comparable stature to ours sometime stand up to the super-powers when their self respect is challenged or their sovereignity is called into question. Not Pakistan or Pakistanis. We are have become dormant – compliant – docile nation. I believe its the result of knowing that we are in the wrong most of the time. Like our bungling of the Afghanistan situation – our misadventures in India (kashmir, east punjab). We have to admit that we have let incompetence rule us we have lost our principles we have let corruption take root in our society at every level.
We have dug ourselves into a deep hole and are still digging…..what we need is some serious introspection. We need to rediscover ourselves and redefine ourselves. we need to stop blaming others for our ills and take charge and responsibility of the state we are in. we need to root out corruption. we need to make education our top priority. we need make sure that hard work and honesty is rewarded. we need to make sure that incompetence is not tolerated at any level – or cronyism. make merit the only standard. intorduce land reforms. work to get reduce the influence of primitive tribal and clan culture. not become hostage to smaller religious or ethnic groups (prime examples of the mess in karachi and mumbai – LeT[an ahle-hadith org. whose members are a fringe group in Pakistan] and MQM)….the list goes on…..
Well said omarali!
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With just under 200 dead we have no clear idea who they are and why they’ve done it. One thing we do know, they were highly organised and well equipped. They had insiders at the hotels who smuggled in the explosives. They had boats to drop them off, off the coast of Mumbai. They specifically targeted India’s financial hub and went after Westerners in particular. They planned it so well yet left an easy peasy trail of breadcrumbs back to…..you’ve guessed it…Pakistan. Doh!
I am no conspiracy theorist by nature – I even believe that the Americans really did go to the moon, much to the disdain of JQ ! – but you have to ask yourself who would have most to gain from this crime at a time when India and Pakistan are building bridges and getting pally once more? What’s worse is that the average man in the rickshaw falls for it. As surely as A is followed by B the terrorists cause some carnage and hey presto, the steadying relations of the two neighbours are blown to smithereens together with the perpetrators themselves. At who’s behest though, that is the question.
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LOLZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO end to the stupidity of this mumbai circus.
No the attackers were not LeT or Alqaeda.
But here’s more, check it out:
The 10 attackers were HIGH on LSD and drugs….hahahaaha
They must be doing Taqiyya LOL!!!! I swear to god i hadn’t even heard of this term (taqiyya) until defined, designed and used for multiple stifling the debate clauses by Islamophobes, promoters of interventionism and megalomaniacs.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081204/wl_time/08599186404900
Beer, kalava, drugs, hindi, white skinned terrorists, British accedted terrorists from Farid kot, south indian looking gunmen from FATA, Dawood Ibrahim and LeT belonging to FATA, LeT denials another taqiyya…
lolz
^ also add the pinkish punk rock hairstyle as well as the name “Deccan” mujahideen.
vox
I do want you or anyone to believe what I say but the facts are facts.
Of Course! the Pakistani Medias fought for for justice but the 160 million sheep do not. They do not come out with their guns to topple the illegal Generals and the corrupt politicians. They are there with the guns to kill each other. One of your leaders like many others ran away to England and controlling his group of thugs, thieves and robbers from there. Seldom one hears such a thing in the world. He likes to live in England and his groups of sheep follow his instructions. Same thing happened with your previous Prime Ministers. Now the ex president Musharraf ran away too. This type of hide and seek has been going on for decades. All ran away from their country then come back again and the sheep goes in millions to welcome them back. But since the sheep welcome them back, they deserve the same treatment what they got from them before. What is surprising that even after being whipped in Bangladesh, these generals and politicians never learned their lesson. Backing these generals and politicians are those 160 million sheep. These tall claims and self praise never ends. One Hundred and Sixty Million people living in the Dark Age. The Middle Class degenerating to lower Middle Class and the lower Middle class is now poor. These shameless politicians for a few dollars go out to kill their own people and then their group of sheep tries to justify. People who support the actions of those corrupt politicians and the Generals are possibly retarded.
On the other hand the living standard of India has jumped. By 2015 Forty Percent of people from the lower class will move to Middle class. The Middle Class will move to Upper Middle Class and the rich will get richer. The economy is booming and the Indians are not a bunch of sheep alike their neighbor. They will go to war if needed and will strike when time is right. If Pakistanis are involved in it, there may be a possibility that they were paid by the group who are not happy with the economic progress of India and wants to drag India to a war. As all of us know that for a few Dollars Pakistanis are ready to do anything.
A very very interesting analysis by Mr. Jawad Zakariya:
One of the most interesting things about the Mumbai terrorist attack was that the terrorists called a TV station and talked to journalists and rambled on and on about their perceived grievances with the rest of the world.
And it was very much rambling on their part because half the stuff made no sense whatsoever.
In the aftermath of the attacks, with the Indian Government trying to put all the blame on Pakistan, it is interesting to listen to these audio recordings because even a cursory listening leaves one in no doubt that the person on the phone is NOT of Pakistani origin. Since the Indian Government at no point has denied that these calls were a hoax or were not from the terrorists we can assume for now that they were indeed originating from Nariman House and Mr. Imran (how unoriginal a name ! bet one of the other names that the Indian Government releases for the terrorists will be Javed, those two names have been staples of Indian nightmares for a few decades now ! ) was on the other side.
Among a lot of Hindi words that ‘Mr. Imran’ used, the following 10 are least likely to be used by a Pakistani, Punjabi or otherwise:
1. Julm — as an exasperated Javed Akhtar pointed out to someone on Indian Idol, don’t butcher the language, it is zulm not julm and no Pakistani would EVER say julm.
2. Jiadati — ditto – its ziadati
3. Jindagi — zindagi, you moron!
4. Naita — naita !! who would call a politician naita in Pakistan? Siyasatdan dude !
5. Itehas — err … history is tareekh for a Pakistani, not itehas no matter how many Bollywood films you’ve digested !
6. Shanti — aman, not Shanti ! Shanti for Pakistani’s means ‘ugly Indian woman’ !!
7. Parsaran — a word we used to make fun of while listening to Hindi commentators on TV…”match ka seedha parsaran” !! Definitely not in any Urdu dictionary.
8. Atank Waadi — what? if he’d called himself a ‘khalnayak’ too, it would have made my day !
9. Anayai — that’s un-ay-i. Don’t know what a Pakistani would say, ziadati I guess !! not in any Pakistani’s vocabulary anyway.
10. Paatshala —- no I’m not making that up. He actually called a school that !!
and I haven’t even mentioned the ’shuction’ (section) and ‘meray ko’ and ‘tumharay ko bol rahay hain na’ and ‘mudhbhir’ and a host of other very Indian vocabulary that this guy was using.
For a listen goto You Tube:
Video – 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhO6rynb1C8
Video – 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP11KdBjx88
I think if the blame has to be put on Pakistan for any and every terrorist activity that happens in India they can at least do us the courtesy of teaching these people proper Urdu or at the least let Javed Akhtar make the phone calls in future !
@Ordinary Citizen
Is this a prank call? If not, then there is no doubt this guy is NOT a Pakistani.
The list of words least likely to be used by a Pakistani is certainly a lot more than 10.
Condi News Confernce:
I found her reply to the question “Did the indians share any evidence with you?” very interesting. She stated something like:
“Let me make it very clear: There is a lot of information. And I mean a lot of information.”
Huh? This to me shows
1) There is “no evidence” linking Pakistan to the Mumbai mayhem.
2) We are supposed to just take Miss “Mushroom Cloud” Rice’s word for it.
More on the credibility of Cvntlesslez Rice:
“Mushroom Cloud”
More lies from Condoleezza “Mushroom Cloud” Rice
Sen. Byrd: Rice Responsible For “Most Overblown Rhetoric Administration Used to Scare the American People”
Democrat attacks Rice over claims of ‘mushroom cloud’
Rice’s Lost Credibility
Fried Rice, Yet Again
@Ordinary Citizen
Just want to point out another short video — this is about the Delhi blast — to display the brilliance of
indian police.
Now why would they suspect the guy they suspect? Certainly can’t be the reason given (“he has a carry-bag”?) Watch the video again and you will see more than 20 people carrying bags or wearing backpacks. Why not suspect the guy standing with the khaki backpack? (If I had to suspect some one, I would suspect him). Only reason they are saying so is because the guy happens to be wearing a kurta-pajama…
Yesterday there was minimum coverage of Mumbai attacks on CNN. Today, not even a single link on CNN’s main page even gives as little as a hint towards the Mumbai attacks, even after Ms. Rice’s visit to India and Pakistan.
Doesn’t this strike as odd?
Remember CNN’s initial anti-Pakistan rhetoric? What happened now?
There’s fish cooking somewhere…..
Were the Mumbai attackers homegrown?
A well-known US-based analyst on South Asia who works for the RAND Corporation, Christine Fair, has said of the Mumbai attacks that the attackers could well be homegrown, motivated by anger over the way India’s 140 million Muslims are treated by the Hindu majority. “This isn’t India’s 9/11,” she said. “This is India’s Oklahoma City.”
Amartya Sen, “you cannot expect stability or prosperity from a society that is half Silicon Valley, half Sub-Saharan Africa.”
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=150572
This is really interesting…..
India has ‘proof of ISI involvement’
The sources said that India DID NOT believe the civilian government in Pakistan was involved in the incidents. Asked about the Pakistani Army chief’s potential role, they said it would be surprising if the ISI were able to operate without the military leadership’s knowledge.
http://www.hindu.com/2008/12/05/stories/2008120558260100.htm
@controlZ: Christine Fair’s essay: on Pakistan’s disasterous foreign policy (run by the geniuses in the Army) is an excellent read.
thanks for the link to the News article. Here is the link to the USAToday article: “Terrorism punctures heart of India’s tourism
An excerpt from the USAToday article:
Link to C. Fair’s Articles.
Lets turn this into internal conflict…nice try, stool pigeon…hmmm
Mumbai attacks: India has proof of ISI role
At the same time, sources do not believe that the civilian government in Pakistan is involved in the attack. In fact, one view is that the civilian government itself may be a target of the strike which may be used by the army to heighten tensions with India to return to power.
one more thing, I know that boat story cannot be digested so here is another angle
Contrary to the version that the terrorists used a hijacked Indian fishing boat to reach Mumbai after sailing from Karachi, the view here is that much more sophisticated means were used.
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2008/dec/041208-Mumbai-terror-attacks-India-has-proof-of-ISI-role.htm
Pakistani Army wants diversion from Afghan War
@ordinary citizen: The guy sounds like a punjabi to me. His mannerisms and colloquialisms are Pakistani though he’s trying to pepper his conversation with words he’s heard from the media. What gives him away is that when he speaks the “hindi” words he has a pakistani/punjabi accent but when he says the urdu words he is totally fluent (reminds me of Javed Choudhry actually – no offence to fanatic JC groupies
).
There is a specific way the indians speak Urdu and it has to do with the ‘maatra’ or something.. I can’t explain it properly but the inflection of an indian is different than that of a Pakistani.
One example is the word “seenaa”. The actual pronunciation is “Sainaa” but in Pakistan nearly everyone reads it “seenaa” because there aren’t usually any punctuation marks on the words in shahmukhi (arabic script).
If the guy is a RAW agent, he’s probably a sikh agent who’s pretending to be a pakistani pretending to be indian… whoa! it’s like the matrix or something.
Or we could go with the simplest explanation. This was a payback for all the sh!t India’s been doing in Pukhtunkhwa, Balochistan and the Marriott bombing.
A Big FVCK YOU to RAW and the US and saying to them… naanannanananaanaa!!! (or maybe the “Pak” army really is trying to engineer a coup… which usually happens with the blessings of the US).
Either way we cut it, the US is involved! Oy vey!
@rehbos:
Your rant about Pakistani politicians may be true and I think it is, your rant against the fact that Pakistanis hae not come out with guns challenging the rule of this corrupt govternment is not entirely true. The fact that we don’t see a popular en masse revolution in Pakistan is because the people o this country DID manage to topple a mothfvcking dictator only a few months ago.
How many dictators do you se in the 3rd world in today’s world being toppled by its own citizens? Pakistan stands out in that arena does not it?
It is one country where the deaths of thousand s of its citizens infuriates the gentry…and in this one arena I feel Pakistanis have a superior sense of empathy and compassion given that it is a 3rd world country with a utter decay of leadrship. By contrast lare scale massacres in India both by various ethnic groups as well as the country’s military don’t illicit much public reaction.
Another point is the utter sheep mentality of Indians which is buing whatever the media sells them. Preset crisis is perhaps the best domonstration of that fact.
While in Pakistan the skepticis of the govt. is one healthy sentiment I ca bank on. And in that I don’t think Pakisani public qualiies as sheep at all. Feb 18th does not cont, that was a drama run on sher deception tothe extent that even fooled the most die hard skeptics as people thought that finally a step forward after neutering a dictator had been achieved.
The next step after this fiasco is mass agitation I:e if the country does not succumnb to war first.
And your any kind o sugestion that Pakisanis may be behind it bacause of some kind of jealousy is as lousy as it is hilarious. Not only are people in Pakistan NOT bothered by events in India ( as evident by the sheer lack of any coverage in Indian’s internal events), people have been very welcoming and warm towards any visitors from that country: a testament to pakistani character. Such sentiment is not replicated form the other side.
And the terrorist whose identity or afiliations has not been established yet, even if he assumes that he is from Pakistan did not once EVER say that whatever progress India might have made is the reason tha he attacked. Funy, given that he DID confess to every which convenient charge India wanted to make for it’s propaganda campaign against Pakistan no?
Besides, those Pakistanis who DO visit Pakistan, come back with a sheer sense that whatever economic progress India has made on the books, very very little is manifested in atual living standards of that country. That’s the common feeling, pereption and experience. SO no…that’s just another hyperbole andmyth created by a rogue state.
Man who bought SIM’s for R&AW’s Mumbai false-flag terrorist acts is a ’semi official’ intelligence agent!
WTF?
Link: “Police: Arrested man is undercover officer”
Copy of article (in case it disappears)
From Creating an “Arc of Crisis”: The Destabilization of the Middle East and Central Asia
The Mumbai Attacks and the “Strategy of Tension”
by Andrew G. Marshall
Kurt Nimmo: Arrest Provides More Evidence India, Israel, and the U.S. Behind Mumbai Attacks:
He goes on to list a number of stories that have appeared in the press over the last few days.
Times of India plays about the booga-booga of an upcoming attack by Jundullah in Karachi (So you know who will be behind it
“Telling the History of the Twenty-First Century as it Really Is” blog interprets the McCain visit for us:
JOHN McCAIN WHILE VISITING PAKISTAN DANGEROUSLY STIRS THE NUCLEAR SOUTH ASIAN POT.
False-flag anyone? Daily News reports:
FBI was told to blame Anthrax scare on Al Qaeda by White House officials
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