Israel has killed more than 200 Palestinians through air raid on Gaza today. BBC Reports that:
Israeli F-16 bombers have pounded key targets across the Gaza Strip, killing more than 200 people, local medics say.
Most of those killed were policemen in the Hamas militant movement, which controls Gaza, but women and children also died, the Gaza officials said.
About 700 others were wounded, as missiles struck security compounds and militant bases, the officials said.
Israeli PM Ehud Olmert said the operation “may take some time”- but he pledged to avoid a humanitarian crisis.
It is such a shame that not a single prominent news channel in North America is condemning Israel. First they dont even bother to show any thing even remotely relating to this genocide and if they show it , it makes last minutes of late night news and shows. What a total dominence of NOrth American media by Israeli lobby and politics.
I am forced to think that were more civilized in 19th century then in 20th. At-least people had courage to talk. What a shame
Olmert is correct. He will probably have success in avoiding a humanitarian crisis. If there are no humans left in the darn place, there won’t be a humanitarian crisis!
selective reporting is the root cause of terrorism.
i wish i could destroy Israel ……bomb israel 10000000000 times .
Harakat al-Muqāwama al-Islāmiyya or Islamic Resistance Movemen- HAMAS founded in 1987 and started struggle against Israeli occupation and doing work on many fronts, including social services, education, security. While Its military wing is known as the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.
Year 2005 was the historical for HAMAS becuase, first time, Hamas decided to participate in Palestinian Authority’selection. In Jan 2006, Hamas won 76 legislative seats out of 132 and formed its government. Despite having solo majority, Alfateh, Israel, USA and other western forces collaborated with eachother and forced HAMAS out from Government which result clash in GAZA and across the Palestinian territory. Intresting is , if resistance group don’t participate in political activities, media, political forces and especially west criticize that why not these group participate in political activities. WHEN these resistance groups went in electoral process, won election , formd government, then these western forces (inside and outside) tried their best to throw them out from political mainstreams.
Today’s mascare was unbelievable. I couldn’t stop my tears when I watch videos of bloody bombarment on Palestinians.
Khoon e Muslim hai Arzaan
To all the champions of enlightened moderation and secularism and some who wish to adopt the ways of the West-
To all those who want to have Western Democracy
Just imagine how many extremists this attack has created. Many Mohammad Ata’s will rise from the deaths in Gaza. I do not know what sort of people are leading Israel and her supporters but you can say good bye to the wishful peace process of the Americans and it merely confirms what Bin Ladin has been saying.
The Lackeys of the West in Pakistan had not uttered a PIPSQEEK yet. So much for the representatives of the people who are busy IDOL WORSHIPPING which is being broadcast on all TV channels in Pakistan.
Which TV channels in Pakistan are continuously reporting this genocidal attack ? on the Palestinians
what a shame for whole islamic umma as they just say but dont do any thing to show unity….
US have asked Israel to “try” and reduce the killing of innocent people and on the other hand have asked Hamas to stop attacking Israel.
What nonsense.
The solution is simple: Be United!! and where is OIC? Saudi should announce that they will charge 500 USD a barrel if US / Israel will not find a solution!!
I wish i cud do something for my brother in palestine. Israelis are always brutal and they are always protected by the world.
these developed countries are two faced.
-Deadliest bombarment on GAza after 1967
-More than 100 tons of bomb droped in attack
-Gaza Police chief among killed people
-Media is claiming only that it was Police head quarter but the images coming after this mascare are mostly of childrens and womens. Can anybody imagine this kind mascare in this “civilized, democratic” world? OOOOHHHHIIIICCCC, UNTED “STATES” NATION, CIVILIZED Europe, democratic countries and above all Arab “Nationalist” countries are enjoying sleep and forget the Palestinians, their blood and their country.
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While the United States is pulling its troops from Iraq and the war has got slower there it is the step unwisely taken by Israel. The guerillas who are seeing off Americans will head towards the western border of Iraq. Israel will face the consequences now and this killing will not go invain. These are not the days that Israel was the most powerful don of the area. Sophisticated weapons and nuclear technology all has revealed to the opposition and Israel will not be able to attack countries freely now.
i agree with al arslan. i guess the iraqi fithers will move towards its west. first the zionists stole their land and now they are killing them.
i agree with al arslan. i guess the iraqi fighters will move towards its west. first the zionists stole their land and now they are killing them.
I am mourning the loss of human life in Middle east.
But But we need to understand that Hammas and Israel are the face of a same coin.
Hammas rocket on Innocent civilian Jews strengthen the Israeli occupation and given Israel an opportunity to occupy and attack Gaza and in return the occupation and attack of Gaza {by Israel} gives Hammas an opportunity to get sympathy, money and new Recruits to fight Israel.
and people who are suffering are innocents sons of Abraham.
My simple Question Why Israel doesn’t attack West Back or Why West Bank {Muslims} don’t fire rockets on Israelis Jews.
I think there are Mad People on both sides who want to ‘Wipe each other from the face of the earth’
But we need to stand with the humanity.
A loss of Muslim Life is as condemnable as a loss of a Jews Life.
All Human are Equal.
and both evils {Israel & Hamas}
CNN is showing this news and media footage in the top of the headline news. This is the best you can get here in US and you can tell CNN is covering the story but dont expect they will raise any voice because this whole world is been controlled by Jews.
@sic5770
“this whole world is been controlled by Jews”
this is the First Rank Symptom of Schizophrenia.
From @dmin’s post:
“Most of those killed were policemen in the Hamas militant movement, which controls Gaza, but women and children also died, the Gaza officials said.”
What the hell is this kind of reporting to describe the Hamas as a MILITANT movement? This is absolutely horrendous choice of words and just according to the wishes of the Jews and the West. IMO Hamas is far from being as militant and terrorists like the Israelis.
Unfortunately this site is not the only place where we see such erroneous choice of words. Sadly it is a common disease in the Islamic world
WAKE UP!
@Awais
-Israel occupied Palestine, killed thousands of Palestinians without the difference of women, childrens or men.
-Today deadly attack was result of “so called” missile attack by hamas , called hamas’s missile Could you imagine these missiles can kill hundreds of Israelies? Not at all. But Israelies killed more than 200 hundreds Palestinieans in respond of Hamas “phuljhari attack”. To be frank , I don’t believe that Israel respond for this missile attack but the ultimate reason is Alfateh, USA and Israel who want to throw hamas out from GAza and two days before Israeli Primeminister threatened Gaza’s residents for deadly attack. And if you read news carefully, it clearly giving message that Israel want of no presence of Hamas in Gaza.
If resisting for your land, for your freedom is crime, then It would be great that people must do this crime.
Unfortunatly , the people like you always come with “ghissa pitta” arguments but not give any concrete argument that why Palestinians are suffering from Israelies, why Isreal attaked on Labnan and killed thousands of labnanies for their one soldier but captured thousands of Palestinieans and Labnanies from many years?
Actually bombarment of 200 tons explosive from Israel is equal to one “Phuljhari” from Hamas. WTF
Awais Says:
December 27th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
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My simple Question Why Israel doesn’t attack West Back or Why West Bank {Muslims} don’t fire rockets on Israelis Jews.”
you can find answer of your question in following
Ever since Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections in 2006, the US administration, along with Israel, several of the corrupt pro-US Arab regimes, and a significant section of Fatah, have been collaborating on plans to weaken and eventually overthrow the Hamas government.
At the centerpiece of this strategy has been the economic and political blockade of Gaza, which has turned the strip into a virtual open air prison, and created human suffering and misery on a mammoth scale.
The aim was to alienate Palestinians from Hamas – and to teach them a lesson for voting for the wrong people. But the reaction has been the opposite – today Hamas is entrenched in the minds of most Palestinians as the real representatives of their national struggle. Fatah, on the other hand, thrown out of office because it was seen as corrupt and unwilling to resist Israel, has been further discredited.
Because of this, the US and Israel have moved further in the direction of fermenting open military confrontation with the Hamas government. In the last year, weapons, along with tens of millions of dollars, have been funnelled via Israel to train and arm Fatah-based militias to take on Hamas.
On 7 June, the Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz reported that “senior Fatah officials in the Gaza Strip have asked Israel to allow them to receive large shipments of arms and ammunition from Arab countries, including Egypt.”
According to Ha’aretz, Fatah asked Israel for “armored cars, hundreds of armor-piercing RPG rockets, thousands of hand grenades and millions of rounds of ammunition for small caliber weapons”, all to be used against Hamas.
The chief beneficiary of these funds was the “Preventive Security Force” headed by Gaza warlord Mohammad Dahlan, a close ally of Israel and the United States.
Dahlan has a long history. His militia force, notorious for its brutality, has been backed by the CIA since the early 1990s. He is sometimes referred to as “the Palestinian Ahmed Chalabi” – a reference to CIA hopes that he might one day be able to take over and run the Palestinian territories as a US-backed strongman.
Attempting to find local puppets to do its dirty work is nothing new for the US. So there are no shortage of experts to give the job of co-coordinating their schemes. According to Ali Abunimah from Electronic Intifada, “US Deputy National Security Advisor Elliott Abrams – who helped divert money to the Nicaraguan Contras in the 1980s and who was convicted of lying to Congress in the Iran-Contra scandal – has spearheaded the effort to set up these Palestinian Contras. Abrams is also notorious for helping to cover up massacres and atrocities committed against civilians in El Salvador by US-backed militias and death squads.”
The Hamas “takeover” of the Gaza then, was far from a coup. Instead, it was a move designed to prevent a coup orchestrated by the US and Israel.
In this, they were hugely successful. They encountered very little resistance in Gaza. Israeli writer Uri Avnery explained why: “The members of the Fatah organizations do not know what they are fighting for. The Gaza population supports Hamas, because they believe that it is fighting the Israeli occupier. Their opponents look like collaborators of the occupation.”
There was one successful coup d’etat – but it was carried out in the West Bank, not Gaza. Not that you would get any inkling of this by listening to our so-called “quality” press. According to SBS, Fatah’s response to defeat in Gaza was to “secure” what were described as “Hamas strongholds” in the West Bank.
What were these “strongholds”?
The truth was that Fatah militias had stormed and seized control of key government buildings, including the Palestinian parliament. They were “Hamas strongholds” in the same way that the Australian parliament is a “Liberal party stronghold” – i.e. because Hamas is the elected government!
Immediately following this military takeover of the West Bank, Fatah leader and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas illegally sacked the Palestinian Unity government, and replaced the Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh with the leader of a minor party that got around 2 per cent of the vote in the Palestinian elections. This is more the style of democracy that the “war on terror” is meant to promote!
Since then, in collaboration with Israel, Abbas has moved to crack down on Hamas. Hamas, by contrast, has tried to emphasis that it is not hostile to Fatah per se, and particularly to rank and file Fatah supporters, but merely to those collaborating with Israel. The announcements over the radio in Gaza explaining what had happened once Hamas had taken control were made by well-known Fatah figures, emphasising that this was not a factional takeover, but a move to counter the efforts of Israel and its collaborators.
So what the media has tried to present as an Islamist seizure of power, or at best a tragic example of Palestinian infighting is in fact something more familiar. It is a battle between imperialism and its collaborators on the one hand, and a national resistance movement on the other. For that reason, Socialist Alternative has no hesitation in saying that for our part, we stand firmly on the side of Hamas, which has inherited the role Fatah abandoned as the representative of the Palestinian national struggle.
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Today, where is AMERICA???? Dont he see all this SHITS happening from the ISRAEL. I cant understand about the AMERICA and his THINK THANK. ISRAEL has a massive share of finance in america and over this basis he say everything right. If this was happening in some other country so till now AMERICA must declared to be any other country where he want to invade further just same as he did in IRQA and AFGHANISTAN.
The world top COWARD NATION is ISRAEL becaude they have scared from the PALESTINE and they know very well his time is nearly FINISH. USA (ULTIMATE STUPID AMERICA) is no longer as a SUPER POWER. Muslims are REAL Super POWER and we have to rule on GLOBE.
I am very deject from our news media. They put some very useless news on the top but they forget that JEWS (COWARD,MORONS) kills 200 innocent people. I am asking question to so called super power USA that the peoples who have killed in PALESTINE did not HUMANS… Did they TERRORIST???? Did they CULPRIT? Did they tried to invade any other country like YOU?? Did they want to take over FULE control of any other country like you do?
If these things are under my control so i will first vanish ISRAEL from GLOBE MAP because they killed so many people directly in PALESTINE and millions / billions of people have been killed indirectly around the world.
I must pray to GOD, Please DESTROY ISREAL. put Allah Almighty wrath on ISRAEL and it will happen one day INSHALLAH.
Not Pakistan’s problem. Let the Arabs do their own thing.
Adm
please remove this person Awais from here , he is an idiot and trying to be oversmart just go through his postings , please we donot need the intellectuals like him , thanks for the consideration.
@tharapolitics
excellent comments on awais’ #%&%^&@*
It’s really unfortunate when people comment by merely watching biased western media – brainwashing in the name of humanity. Actually, their definition of humanity is world without Muslims. They are afraid of sling missile against Israel – it was the same missile used by Dawood (AS).
May Allah give us Eman, Unity and Liberty from traitors. Though weapons is the key factor to win wars, but NOT the only thing (history if full of such examples).
@FahadAfridi – please at least moral support, if you cannot do anything else at least you can pray for them.
These Psychopath Zions are first rate Satan worshippers. My thoughts and prayers are with poor helpless Palestnians.
Oh’ Almighty have mercy on them. Ameen.
Cartoons: Israel and the Jews in Arab and western media
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/gallery/2008/dec/19/middleeast-israelandthepalestinians?picture=340370368
@FahadAfridi : Not Pakistan’s problem. Let the Arabs do their own thing.
Crimes and their Victims, regardless of where ever they happen to be are not less or more glorified becuase they are Jews,Indians,Pakistanis,Afghanis or even Arabs.
Here is a quote from ‘First they Came’.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
@melancholic pakistan, @ksjadoon,
Why don’t you respond to Awais instead of pleading with Admin to ban him ?
If you think you are on the right then use this as an opportunity to persuade him to your side.
‘Banning’ comes out straight from the play book of ‘facist dictators’ and ‘religious right’, I hope you support none of them.
Did anyone ever wonder why 12 million jews have their bambboo up the arse of 1.2 BILLION Muslims?
Just think about it. Don’t be emotional.
Just sit down, make a cup of tea, and think about it. Give it 10 minutes of your un-emotional life.
And I protest this inhuman Israeli action, it’s horrible, but that’s all we can say right now.
We need to change strategy. Obviously the Jews are doing it WITHOUT having to blow themselves up. Why do our kids have to do it?
Ever think about it?
Wouldn’t you rather YOUR ENEMY was so desperate ? to live like animals rather than you? to be hunted like animals rather than you?
What is the difference?
And stop whining that we don’t follow our religion… Israels are fucking wicked assholes! It is not that they’re better jews than we are Muslims…
The solution lies somewhere else. It is in your head.
READ MOTHER VUCKERS! READ! AND WRITE IT ALL DOWN!
Time to be honest to ourselves…
Straight from the horse’s mouth. Courtesy of MEMRI and their Zionist poster-girl. She does raise some thought provoking points though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciOGS6r97oE
@Shimatoree
Bro I join in your thoughts. There pseudo weterners can not think against their Gods (West). These are the ones who rule us with the help of the west.
They will remain silent on such state terrorism by Israel.
Allah destroy them. Ameen
@Ghost of TK
Well said. The problem is the marriage of “Corprotocracy” (which is a Joint venture of Western Govts, Banks & Multinationals) and the “Elites” of all the Under developed nations. These Elites are acting as an agent of these giant global Joint Ventures who are seeking long term access to our “cheap” economic resources.
What they do is tell the Elites that we will arrange you a loan to set up lets say a Power plant (from IMF or World bank or another consortium of this sort). You will become popular in your own country that “foreign investment” is coming “hamaray gaoun may bijli aay gi” which will improve your political future. As an additional incentive they bribe them in form of “commissions” (Does Zardari come to mind!!). In return these Elites get these “Barbaric” contracts approved, without much analysis. And let me explain why I call these as Barbaric contracts.
What happens is that these Banks, (lets assume for a minute that this is an American Bank), sanction you loans of lets say $100M. The contract provides for that only “consortium approved American” companies will do the planning, construction, running and maintenance of the plants since you don’t have that technology anyway. So you pay all this amount to these “American companies. So actually the money you had in the morning is back in America till evening. But you and the rest of the country get in debt. The forecasts with which these projects are approved are so much inflated to justify a much much larger loan. In reality these forecasts are never matched with real growth and hence you never generate enough revenue from the project to pay back the loans WITH interest. Corruption and change of governments and million other scandals further erodes the Profit and Loss account and Balance sheet of the project. But the loans are still payable and interest are compounded. In the end you end up defaulting and this Giant Joint ventures takes over your whole property to “Manage”. Still you owe the debt. So now they start pulling their political muscle to dictate your politics and related policies, you UN vote, your relationships with you neighbours and the reole you ought to ake in the war of terror, the silence you need to maintain when Israel bombs Gaza, the general you need to promote, the head of ISI you need to replace and bla bla bla.
This is just the economic terrorism these western coprotocracy is doing. If someone in the country stands up to them after coming into power like Omar Torijos of Panama, or Muhammad Mossadique of Iran, they are hunted by the CIA. Even if they fail, then the US Army steps in like in Iraq and Afghanistan since both Saddam (once CIA’s own pet) and Taliban refused to bow down to US.
So my friend this is what happens. When we are in so much of debt, our nation never has a time to read and write and hence we commit educational suicide. No more Iqbals are born and instead the Shah of Irans, Musharrafs and Hamid Qarzai are born with West tuned brains and philosophy.
Lets read and write. Lets open up our eyes. Lets pray to Allah and lets stand up to the real Terrorism. The Economic Terrorism.
Love to all My Pakistani brothers and sisters.
The people who call themselves democratic champions and often talk about peace and condemn Islamic extremists and fundamentalists , now are you happy with the western so called civilization and democratic values? In fact we dont have the right to condemn israel or other powers behind this heinous act but we ourselves are responsible for that. Because until and unless we are not strong and realize our status we cannot stand against such aggressions and every one can threaten and destroy us..
This is the another episode of undeclared war against UMMA by American and Jews/Israel.
Hamas has got a right to kill as many jews,as much PALESTINIANS has been killed by Jews by any means by firing rockets,using arms or no matters using their bodies as missile[suicide attacks]
Death to America&Israel
Everytime some pressure gets built on India, Gillani or zaradari give out a stupid statement diffusing all the pressure. I can only hope that they keep their mouths shut on this shameless massacre of innocent pelstinians and not give some BB shaheed link to all this trying to once again diffuse the issue.
I second shirkuh & show my repulsion, admin using “Militant Movement” for Hammas.
At the same time I am thankful to admin for not showing as much confusion to use the word “terrorists” like many of us non-beardo confused genius think of Hammas.
There are not set rules to define terrorism but easy one should be the count of human casualties.
Since last Intefada more than 6000 Paletinians are killed by Israelis against less than 500 Israelis.
Under this scenario we can define another type of Terrorism that we may call “Thought Terrorism” or Terrorism of Thought.
Those who thinks 6000 plus Palestinians were animal not human being & less than 500 Israelis were super human being, are promoting Terrorism of Thought.
We have enough problems in our own backyard to worry about in-fighting among the Semitic races.
Israel has clearly made target the civilians and the U.N being a subordinate organisationo of the interests of big powers is to do nothing regarding it. The U.N or the Security Council is not to be relied upon as it has been totally bruised by Bush before attacking Iraq. It is a welfare organisation now. For weaker countries it still tries to show its teeth while for the big powers it is a crying parrot.
Now the resistant forces against Israel have to tackle the situation by their own. The change in traditional activities and manage a proper action plan and stand fasting will get them an upper hand. The need is to become united and justifiable first. The air is changed and will get them better results.
I am surprised to see you people writing that these Palestinians are doing injustice. Their case is the same as the fugitive don of Karachi Iltaf Hussain. Take a refuge and then try to eliminate and massacre the original population. These things are temporary only and longer lasted only by the force of arms which fades after a certain known era. Now is the time, ripe.
@MTC
Here is another version of the same kind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOy7Rj71m4k
Here you will also find some truth, but also a LOT of cr@p.
In people like her the Westernes find “Muslims” who says what they want to hear.
“Intellectual” mercinary is maybe the best tag for these people.
I know this is going to sound to harsh, but Pakistanis should give this issue as much attention as Palestinians and Arabs in general have given to the recent American airstrikes in Pakistan and their ‘utmost’ attention to the Kashmir issue.
I do want to point out that i used to defend the Palestinian cause ad nauseum but have changed my mind given the recent situation in Pakistan. If Pakistanis need to do anything for the Palestinians, it is pray. For more than that, Pakistan needs to be at least as strong as Iran INTERNALLY before going out on any adventures.
Pakistani ‘awam’ should also note that it was our great Islami sipha-e-salar General Zia-ul-Haq that went and killed hundreds if not thousands of Palestinians. So if his bakhiajat are here on this forum speweing hate and violence, for the sake of your leader, if you can’t do what he did, just don’t do anything….
I can not believe shirku is promoting this article even with disgust.
She is as cheap as Slaman Rushdie, both of them achieve their goals by cheap tricks against Islam.
She is promoting Islam teaches throat slitting of those who do not accept Islam–thats a stark lie.
“Allah does not forbid you to show kindness or to deal justly with those who did not fight against you on account of your religion and did not drive you out from your homes. Surely Allah does not love the unjust people” (Mumtahina, 60:
Then Holy Quran warned the believers of scheming enemies–Nowhere it does say to kill those who are against you.
“O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies for friends. Would you offer them strong love while they have rejected the Truth which has come to you” (al-Mumtahina, 60: 1).
It continues to say
“If they have the upper hand of you, they will be your enemies and will stretch out their hands and tongues towards you with evil intent. They love to see you turn away from your faith”. (al-Mumtahina, 60: 2)
@Jazoo
What are you talking about Mullah Jazoo?
Read my post again and tell me where I am “promoting” the likes of the disgusting Ayan Hirsi Ali. Actually I call people like her “Intellectual” mercenaries.
@FahadAfridi :
You have an uncanny ability to inject race and ethnicity in every discussion. So, my friend I say that you may have some thing to worry if they (Jews) are authentically proven to be your cousins.
There is a theory that fills the gap of Pashtun descendancy by linking them to one of the lost tribes of Jews. This theory may have weak legs but does have some substance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Pashtun_descent_from_Israelites
Which one of your cousins are you supporting now ?
Peace
@shirkuh
You wrote
“Here you will also find some truth, but also a LOT of cr@p.”
No one has to be mulla or rocket scientist to point out your confused state of mind.
Tell us what was truth in that video.
How many times do I have to tell you–a balance stance does not necessarily earn you the status of scholar or intellectual.
I am giving you an opportunity to prove you are an intellectual–Tell us what was truth told in that video & prove it academically–show some intellectual ability by logical reasoning.
@FahadAfridi
December 28th, 2008 at 7:08 am
When Israelies will reach to your nukes, and capital, then we will feel the temperature.
Forget this blood is of Palestinians, or Muslims, but you can write only one word to support them on the basis of humanity.
@Jazoooo
Doesn’t a tag like “intellectual mercenary” tell you what I think of Ayan Hirsi Ali?
I don’t know how well you know Ayan H. Ali. Actually she is not Muslim, but has a background of belonging to a Muslim family.
One of her points regarding the treatment of women in Islamic societies, where women often are mistreated. It is a fact that many women are mistreated, but where I differ from her view is that she chains mistreatment with Islam and not social behaviour.
@Jazoo
“I am giving you an opportunity to prove you are an intellectual”
I have never tagged myself as an “intellectual”. Who the hell do you think you are to give me an “opportunity” to prove my intellectual capability?
@shirkuh
Islamic societies should be those which are build on Islam–so you agree with her women are ill treated in Islamic societies but blame should not go to Islam.
You are right that she is wrong to blame it on Islam but you are wrong to say she is right that women are ill treated in Islamic societies.
We attribute anything backward in Muslim countries to Islam then our beloved balanced minded genius have no problem accepting them as Islamic Society.
Incidents of burying women alive in Sindh & Baluchistan has nothing to do with Islam & Islamic society, these atrocities are committed not under the name of Islam–they are done under tribal traditions which has nothing to do with Islam or Islamic society.
Is simple to understand that ‘the innocent civilians being killed in Both Israel and Gaza are wrong’
one wrong doesn’t justify an other wrong.
My Solution to this situation is that
“there MUST be a Peace keeping force in Gaza which MUST stop rockets being Fired to ward Israeli Civilians and MUST Stop Israeli bombardment of the innocent Gaza Civilians”
I think some one will have to finish the evil of Hammas out from Gaza.
Human Life is equal sacred as of Muslims, Hindu, Sikh, Jew or atheist.
Human loss of life is of same sadness and sorrow no matter if happen in Gaza, Israel, Twin Tower, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan or any where in God’s earth.
“He who saved one life {irrespective of religion} saved the whole humanity and he who killed one life {irrespective of religion} killed the whole humanity”
@Awais
“I think some one will have to finish the evil of Hammas out from Gaza.”
Ohhhooo..what the f….king crap , and piece of shittt you present in your argument. Evil is Hamas , but not Israel. No doubt on your shittt mind, piece crap fxxxking ideology and arguments.
Think who is invader, who killed thousands of Paletinians from 1946, who killed Labnanies, who killed Ahmad Yasin, Rantasi and other Paletinians leaders. There are many f….king idiots are here to present their BS without thinking.
If you are in your sense, differentiate between Palestine and Israel, and who occupied Palestine….
@awais
I dont know where you come up with this if defending your land and the oppresion of your people is a crime than i can only pity your judgement.
hamas is a group of freedomfighters fighting for a land which is not only their land but a land that is dear to every single Muslim who has declared the shahada and believes Islam to be the true religion.
Those who say that this is only an arab issue failt to understand that this land is holy not only to the arabs but the entire muslim umah.
the greatest mujahid who ever fought to protect this land from the onslaught of the Kuffar was Sultan Salah-ud-din a (NON-ARAB) PROOVING THAT THIS LAND IS OF IMPORTANCE NOT BECAUSE OF OUR ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS BUT BECAUSE OF THE RELIGION THAT BOUND AND UNITES US TOGETHER
@abdullaharqam
with respect.
my friend you cannot kill innocent people {or fire rockets indiscriminately} in the name of “defending your land and the oppression of your people”
@abdullaharqam
Israelis are giving the same rubbish argument of “defending your land and your people” for all the brutality which they committed in Gaza.
i am really sorry Hamas is neither the freedom fighters nor the ideal for Muslims.
they are barbaric killers of same ideology as of Israel.
“Kill innocent people in the name of land”
here are your ‘freedom fighters’ and ‘ideal Muslims’ who are not allowing the sick and wounded to go to Egypt to get treatment so that they can sell the ‘death toll’ to recruit some more ‘Jihadi suicide bombers’ to kill innocent Israeli {not their army}.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7801881.stm
To claim a land on mad mischievous biblical claim 4000 years ago is not innocents.
Awaistien is confused or trying to confuse the whole issue about innocence.
Every Israeli by law is a compulsory soldier that leave a small minority as innocent.
Those who came from all over the world to settle in the homes & land of Palestinians, purpose is nothing but to create mischief, are not innocent either.
Awaistien does not like stone throwing kids & every now & then a missile fired from Hammas because such attacks have injured many Israelis & some of them are killed too–He must be concerned at occasional suicide attacks because such attacks kill sometimes as many as 13 Israelis.
So Awaistien thinks its logical Israel kill 100 Palestinians for every Israeli killed & Bulldozing their homes & taking the roofs & shelters away from Palestinian kids & families is also the result of stone throwing atrocities by their kids.
@Awais
It seems like you share the same beliefs as Israel and I think that your shameless justifying the Isralei butchering of 300 innocent paletinians is without any logic.
First of all, who the hell are the jews to even occupy even a tiny piece of land in Palestine ??? It is the home of palestinians and you can come up with all the intellectual crap you can come up, but you nor israel has ever successfully defended this simple yet irrefutable fact.
So by that logic, an aggressor who occupies has not justification to start killing the people of that home.
Now lets come to you hamas logic. You have to see everything in proportion. Even if Hamad does send some rockets, how many people does that kill ??? perhaps injure one every month ?? does that mean that Israeli’s have got the license to massacre 300 palestinians including women and children in cold blood ?
Awaistien you are thickhead or sh**head.
Hammas bar Injured leaving to Egypt for their safety because Israeli barbarians are firing at Ambulances as well.
Heres an excerpt from BBC article
“Hamas said it was drawing up lists of the injured but that it was difficult getting them to the border because of the ongoing Israeli air strikes.
Egypt has summoned Israel’s ambassador to demand an end to the bombardment.”
@admin
I strongly believe this shethead Awaistien should be barred from posting here.
We do not mind if some Israeli or some of our Israeli post here Israeli side of story.
But this shethead has no logic & no sense to post a presentable Israeli case here.
Inalillah e wa in alehay rajayoon
World is in the midst of Clash of the Rightist: Zionists, Hindutva preachers, Evalenglical Christian fundamentalisits and Muslim religious fanatics.
Rather than becoming the fooder of a misadeventure, we have to put our house in order and prepare and equip ourselves before taking on others.
We need to stop following the foot steps of militants like Syed Ismael, Mehdi Sudani, Akhwan and its offspring Hammas, Jamaat and its off spring Taleban and the Alqaeda and start following in the foot steps of reformers and modernist like Sir Syed, Jinnah, Mahatir and Bhutto.
Do you know USA and Euorope pay all of the wages to employees in Gaza. And most of the employees belongs to Hamas.
Either stop taking aid from USA and Euorope or Keep their mouth shut. And to be a Khusraa Army like a Pak Army which takes 100 Million Dollar Every month and also cry like a baby when drone attacks.
@Jazooo
“Every Israeli by law is a compulsory soldier that leave a small minority as innocent.”
what a rubbish argument then according to your same argument “every Muslims is a Mujahid by religion.”
so will its justify killing all Muslims as per religion.????
not at all.
so come up with some sane arguments.
Hamas, LeT, Taliban, Jaish-e-mohammad, Hizbollah, Spiah-e-sahabah, Ikhwan, Jammat-e-Islami, all the different faces of a coin.
Israelis has used this strategy {of Violence} for years it hasn’t worked.
Palestinians has use this strategy {of Violence} for years its hasn’t worked.
So i think they need to change that.
there MUST be someone who could STOP both Isreali terrorists and terrorists of Hammas.
I think we need to stop fighting amongst each other and see what we can do in terms of concrete steps to register protest. We can fight the ideological fights later.
Here is my suggestions
1. Write to lawmakers. Pick up a pen & paper please. Explain the situation, tell them why YOU think it’s wrong!
2. Boycott Israeli products. Learn to identify them and try to convince others.
3. Write to Israeli Consul general. Send them Both the pictures of Ghaza victims and Holocaust victims. Write an actuall letter, not emails. It is easy to filter emails.
We talk a lot be we don’t even know what barcodes identify Israeli products. How they hide their products under different guises.
To all the people living outside of Pak+Middle east, this is the least you can do.
@Awaistien
Every Muslim could be a Mujahid but not Oppressor & Occupier of a Land which does not belong to him.
I am not justifying killing–I am against justifying their existence there in the first place.
They do not belong there–They are there for mischief–They should go back to Russia & Europe & USA, where they come from.
Those settlers have proven they are devoid of human feelings–A normal human being can not sleep at night when he know he has captured someone’s else home & that someone else & his kidz are sleeping under sky because there homes are bulldozed.
@Mohsin wrote
“Do you know USA and Euorope pay all of the wages to employees in Gaza. And most of the employees belongs to Hamas.”
This is the arrangement for illegal state of Israel–Aid given to Israel has small portion for Plaestinians and that aid is not directly given by USA & Europe–it goes through Israel.
This arrangement was necessary to stop Paletinians getting aid from other Muslim countries which happened recently when aid from Iran & KSA was blocked by Israel & Israel also refuse to give Plaestinians their minimal portion they rcvd from USA & Europe.
I would love to see Mohsin coming out with same gesture of ignorance when his family is thrown out of their home & those who occupy his home are given $95 & he is paid $5 for his inconvenience.
@jazoooo
this your argument is not true
“They do not belong there–They are there for mischief”
this wrong.
they were there much before Islam or Christianity was born.
but even then i dnt think this is an augment.
The things is both are sons of Abraham they must live peacefully with each.
as they are living in all around the world.
The land of Middle east belongs to Allah who is the God of both Muslims and Jews.
@Awais wrote
“there MUST be someone who could STOP both Isreali terrorists and terrorists of Hammas.”
You look more miserable with your even handed approach.
Muslim does not have history of violence against Jews–Christian does.
Newsweek in one of its issue has raised this question–why Jews are enemy of Muslims.
As per Newsweek issue–Three times Christians have thrown Jews out of Jerusalem & all the three times Muslims have opened the gate of Jerusalem for them.
First it was Umar bin Khattab(ra) who allowed them in Jerusalem then perhaps if I can recall correctly it was Tariq bin Ziad or Salahuddin Ayubi & third time today’s Palestinians.
Theres no history of Muslim animosity towards Jews as compared to Christians.
@awais wrote
“they were there much before Islam or Christianity was born.”
As per new civilization under UN Chartered that land does not belong to them.
If you are talking about biblical approach then I am sorry to say when it comes to Islam you are secular but for Zionism you believe in religious commandment.
Make up your mind–are you a secular muslim but religious Zionist–I know one thing for sure–You are pathetic.
jazoo
come on
As per UN State of Israel is a Legitimate state now.
I dnt support State of Israel but you need to be fair to them as well.
State of Is real is as terrorists as Hammas.
but there is a difference between state of Israel and Jews living in Israel. Same as between Hammas and the innocent civilians of Gaza.
the problem for all of us is that people like you, Israel and Hammas fail to differentiate that.
@jazoo
my question to you is why Israel doesn’t attack West Bank {or Vice Versa}.
Why people do not have the same reaction when taliban or muslim groups kill thousand of people .the same day we have bomb blast in bannu where more then 50 innocent muslims killed by militant .In saudi arabia there is special dua for the destroy of jews .I still cant understand that the life or the human or muslim should be equal .the “zulm ” is either by muslims or jews etc should have the same reaction by muslims
yes i agree with netengr
none of these, who are supporting the Hammas and their acts, reacted the same way when a succide bomber killed 180-220 people in Karachi in Oct 2007.
they didn’t gave same reaction when Suicide Mujaheddin killed people at Mariot, Bombay, Wah Cannt, Peshawer or Twin Towers.
‘Zulm’ is ‘zulm’ no matter done by Jews, Christians or faithful Muslims.
@GHOST TK
1. Write to lawmakers. Pick up a pen & paper please. Explain the situation, tell them why YOU think it’s wrong!
2. Boycott Israeli products. Learn to identify them and try to convince others.
3. Write to Israeli Consul general. Send them Both the pictures of Ghaza victims and Holocaust victims. Write an actuall letter, not emails. It is easy to filter emails.
Are you kidding me? No seriously do you REALLY think any of your above points apart will have any sort of IMPACT???
@netengr: Why do you hate Islam? Do you not know that the blessed attackers in Bannu were mujahids who are fighting against the Kuffur of the Pakistani State?
So what if 50 people were killed? They are also collateral shaheed. Also do you not see that the Bannu attack shook the foundations of the Zulm-o-Istibdaad of the Zionist Agent Pakistani Regime? Fully 2 motorcycles (100cc each) were destroyed in this Ghazva.
Don’t be on the wrong side of history! Blow yourself up Today! Offer ends this century. Some conditions apply.
@GHOST TK
1. Write to lawmakers. Pick up a pen & paper please. Explain the situation, tell them why YOU think it’s wrong!
2. Boycott Israeli products. Learn to identify them and try to convince others.
3. Write to Israeli Consul general. Send them Both the pictures of Ghaza victims and Holocaust victims. Write an actuall letter, not emails. It is easy to filter emails.
Are you kidding me? No seriously do you REALLY think any of your above points apart will have any sort of IMPACT???
I do admire your intentions but writing to law makers: DO THE LAWMAKERS ALREADY DONT KNOW THIS??? They have better resources than we have !
Israel doesnt have that many products. Israel is about the size of Lahore, not even Karachi. SO Basically boycotting their stuffs if there are any any wont matter a shit to them!
Finally writing to ISRAELI CONSULATE GENERAL, :O :O :O
Again about boycotting their products, ISRAEL HAS GOT 90+ (NINETY) BILLIONNNN DOLLARS FROM US SINCE 1949!!!!
It gets the latest AVIATION, MILITARY, AND BIOCHEMICAL AND NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY FROM THE WEST ON A DAILY BASIS.
you might know this: How did Israel get its nuclear technology?
There are reports that US was against providing Israel with nuclear assisstance. SO came forward the Britian and FRance. It was britian which was supplying them with nuclear materials but after UN intervened, FRANCE took this HOLY RESPONSIBILITY AND SHIPPED ‘CRITICAL’ MATERIAL TO THEM IN THE NAME OF SHIPPING FURNITURE
Majority of Jews here in UK and US go to Israel every year during their holidays WHERE THEY GO THEIR MANDATORY DEFENSE TRAININGS AND PLEDGE TO HELP ISRAEL MONETARILY AS WELL AS PHYSICALLY WHEN THE TIME COMES.
Honestly speaking we are at their MERCY. THEY CAN KICK OUR ASS ANYTIME THEY LIKE. And this is not only because of unbalanced Military H/W, but also the emotions of Arabs. I was at the Defense Exhibition at Saudi Arabia, and I was talking to a Saudi F-15 fifhter pilot: and I asked him who do you think has the best Air-Force after US. and he blatantly said ISRAEL HAS A VERY LETHAL AIR-FORCE! I kept pushing him to hear China or Russia’s name, but I could clearly see the fear when mentioning the name of Israel!
So basically its over when dont even heart left to fight your opponent.
@Jazoo
“Make up your mind–are you a secular muslim but religious Zionist–I know one thing for sure–You are pathetic.”
@NAB: No! I’m not kidding. I’m serious, and instead of bitching here which will have NO impact, at least the points raised by me will have SOME concrete impact however small.
The point is that this can be significant if a lot of people do it. But it requires WORK and AWARENESS which we are not ready to give as we are too busy being emotional.
You said:
The point is NOT to make them aware, the point is to impinge on their psyche that there are people out there WHO DO NOT APPROVE OF SUCH ACTIONS!
Because you don’t raise a voice of protest, they think all is well, Israek doodh ka dhula hai.
It is important that overseas Pakistani’s do this as a pressure tactics for issues concerning them. First we should make this a habit for ourselves but for heinous crimes like this, we should raise our voice. This is a human rights issue, not just Palestinian issue.
This does require proactive awareness.
Are you joking? Look up Israel’s exports. Israel exports shitloads of stuff to Europe and North America.
2007 GDP(ppp)= $180 BILLION Dollars.
They export $57 billion dollars
Obviously, this requires that a person is aware and makes an effort in NOT buying a product based on their political conviction.
Much easier to cry foul over internet forums.
This is called psychological warfare. But you have given up already. Send the fuckers pictures of Gaza’s Dead with The Holocaust victims.
Make a connection in their minds in the two kinds of atrocities.
Again, this requires active participation. Fantasizing about a “Mujahid Blowing himself up in a blessed suicide misison” is much more erection-inducing.
My apologies for asking for CONCRETE things… Carry on with the maatam and shaam-e-Ghareeban. Didn’t mean to crash the Necro-Pajama-Party.
@awaistein wrote
“my question to you is why Israel doesn’t attack West Bank {or Vice Versa}.”
You can find hundreds of rocket scientist I am not one of them but thanks God your question does not require a rocket scientist.
Because Elected leadership of all Palestinians which is known as Hammas, has its headquarter situated in Ghaza.
@Ghost of TK
There were thousands of mails sent to state Deptt. regarding Afia Siddiqui but no result.
@NAB: RE: the nukes, yeah I know… the things that have been happening in the last 200 years were not “mere coincidental treachery” wrought by Jews. Britain, France and America were part of it.
Jewish scientists were ‘pesh pesh’ in getting the US govt. behind the development of the Nuclear Bomb… Only gullible people would belive for a second that they didn’t have transfer of this tech to the state of Israel (still officially half a decade away — but they make plans you see!) in mind when they were using the might of the US government as the LEVER which they used to get over the hump of developing the nuke.
Israel could NEVER have developed it because of the sheer logistical problems, but when you move the right levers in the US government, you have the financial, logistical, scientific resources to get over the initial hump.
Just as, Israel used the US to pulverize a strategic threat: A viable, strong state of Iraq. This is why it was necessary to bomb the shit out of it, instead of a CIA sponsored coup. It wasn’t saddam, it was Iraq itself which was a danger.
Similaryly Iran is another threat.
Pakistan they’re working on beautifully, and they have the support of the misguided jihadi’s.
The fix is in baby!
It is time we stop whining about UK screwing us over, and France betraying us and America breaking up with us. Make up your minds. Are they your enemies right now? if yes, then don’t expect SHIT from them. OK? stop whining about your enemies acting like enemies… Whoopty Doo! big surprise there!
Shouldn’t it be a lesson for us? They are a nation of 6 million and they have US as option A, but they have Britain and France as Option B, C… They’re thinking 50 years ahead … We’re looking at 1971 and wondering what happened to us?
And so far, our analysis is:
“Do-lakht ho gayaa! do lakht ho gaya!!”
All I’m hearing is: “This won’t matter!”, “that won’t work” …
OK,
Tell me what your suggestions are? I’m all ears.
My humble suggestion don’t feel any pain blame it all on beardos & relax, avoid BP.
The stem of every problem is beardo even when they never exist at the creation of Israel.
It was beardo science which cause defeat of Jamal Nasir.
Beardo lose all the wars against Israel–they are scum of earth they can do things when they not even exist–I am also learning to dislike them.
@TK
“Israel exports shitloads of stuff to Europe and North America. ”
Well I am not aware of these figures that you have quoted. How on Earth would you boycott their products if they are not even exporting to you? If you mean at the personal level, then I think it is not practically feasible since educating Muslims in Western countries to boycott Israeli products will be met by a very resisitive facist force of Christians and jews themselves. However I am aware that Turkey and Egypt trade extensively with Israel! Btw, you can always pull the cord when the system is not shutting down properly… If you know what I mean by ‘Cord’? Shah Faisal did it back back in 70’s before he was mysteriously killed !
“Tell me what your suggestions are? I’m all ears.”
Ok, it is simply not a matter of one day. It is not about being emotional. It is a simple sensible rule.
It is all about realizing your enemy WHILE STRENGTHENING YOURSELF. One and only one Solution only: Strenghten you economy, root our corruption and Enhance your FirePower! because at the end of the day “Might is Right”
Why don’t people condemn all the innocent killings around the world? Selective condemning of innocent killings will not tone down terrorism.
Be subjective wen you define something universal, have the courage & ability to condemn all such acts, whether they are done thru missiles or thru eploding oneself.
Wat is brainwashing? its drilling of brains with selective info. So just decide by yourself the extent to which various people are brainwashed, geographically, ethnicaly, religously…
Everyone on earth is being brainwashed by someone for something good or bad depending on the objective of the brainwasher AND the severiest is wen certain groups of people stop condemning certain innocent killings.
Just to complete the picture here,
35 shaheed in Buner
2 killed in Waziristan
14 afghan kids among the 16 killed in Afghanistan
I dont know whether to add them to the toll in palestine,s casualties or subtract them from. However, i thought it necessary to be mentioned them as well….. they were humans and muslims as well, though somewhat cheap, as i have read express newspaper and there the headline was 200 palestinians shaheed but when they will write about the Buner’s casualties tomorrow i doubt they would call them shaheed. Let’s see ………
“JAzoo
your answer
“Because Elected leadership of all Palestinians which is known as Hammas, has its headquarter situated in Ghaza”
is not true as well.
Hamas got 440,409 votes while alFateh got 410,554 votes.
so it doesn’t represent all the Palestinians.
secondly the honest answer to the question {why Israel don’t attack West bank {or why West Bank Palestinians who as Palestinians as Gazans are attack on Israel} is that the people In charge of west bank have realized that the solution to this problem is a 2 state theory living side by side peacefully all Palestinians has agreed to it in OSLO ACCORD.
@awaistein
I don’t know how you will get it.
Even a single vote more than Fatah make them representative of whole Palestinians after election.
@awaistein wrote
“how would India react if the Kashmiri freedom fighters started firing rockets across the LOC to kill Indian citizens indiscriminately?”
Hammas only fire rockets to kill couple of Israelis after they have killed dozens of Palestinians.
@Awais Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
@jazoo
my question to you is why Israel doesn’t attack West Bank {or Vice Versa}.”
If you are in senses, then find the answer of your question which I responded tharapolitics Says:
December 27th, 2008 at 11:10 pm and
harapolitics Says:
December 27th, 2008 at 11:15 pm.
Read both of comments , and find your answer, rather to write comment without reading context or any comment…..
WAKE UP…
@awaistein
Hammas has another problem–they are believing & practicing Muslim.
I am not saying Holy Quran is saying–They will love to see you turn away from your faith.
If Hammas turn away from their faith then I assure you there will be absolute peace but at the cost of your faith.
You are faithless scum you will never understand the value of faith.
“If they have the upper hand of you, they will be your enemies and will stretch out their hands and tongues towards you with evil intent. They love to see you turn away from your faith”. (al-Mumtahina, 60: 2)
@awaistein
How stupid you can get.
Its not the matter I accept Zardari or not he is sole representative of Pakistan because of his majority.
@TK
“Much easier to cry foul over internet forums. ”
Therefore, you find the easiest way to comment, detrack and write as much as poosible on this forum.
What the argument…….
Utilize this suggestion for yourself also, like giving comments on JC but not to communicate directly to JC.
@awaistein
Where you learn the word “indiscriminately”
When you kill couple of Israeli soldiers you do not fire indiscriminately.
Awais Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
So it is , therefore, crime to fight against the forces who captured your territory……. your f…king arguments are good for Israel because Israel and US are also justifying that
Killing of One Israeli is equal to killing of 275 Palestinians….WTF….
@awaistein
But then Jews were the first to breach that contract.
@Awais Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
“so you think that the rockets fired toward Israel differentiate between civilians and military?”
Could you quote reference of any news that when Hamas fired missile in Israeli territory in last month.
Waiting your reply….quote some valuable words here , not only crap and piece of shitttttttttt
@awaistein
I am not against Jews–I am against zionist who claim a land on biblical basis.
Many Jews are against zionism & creation of Israel.
Awais Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
@tharapolitics
Killing of any Human being is wrong.”
where is reference of Hamas missile attack in last month
Don’t use airy words , give some reference or stop your BS things………
What on earth is wrong with Hamas. If they do not have the capability to fight Israel why are they getting innocent muslims killed. Quran is very clear, if Jihad is undertaken by the muslim state, the balance of power between the muslim state and transgressing enemy must not be less than 1:2. In other words, if the balance of power between the two is such that the Muslims have less than half the material power as compared to that of their enemies, then they should avoid aggression and in place of that they should work to improve their power structure to the level of at least half that of their enemies.
@Awais Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
“so you think Hammas Fired any rocket??”
I am asking you because your every post carried only one statment that Hamas fired missile , therefore Israel attacked and killed more 275 Palestinians. I am asking , when this missile attack happened?
Atleast justify those things which are able to justify….
Demonstrations Across the Country
Washington, D.C.
Tuesday, December 30
4:30 pm
State Department: 22nd St & C St NW
Contact: 202-544-3389 x14, dc@answercoalition. org
San Francisco
Tuesday, December 30
5:00 pm
Israeli Consulate:456 Montgomery St.
Contact: 415-821-6545, answer@answersf. org
Los Angeles
Tuesday, December 30
4:30 pm
Israeli Consulate: 6380 Wilshire Blvd.
Contact: 213-251-1025, answerla@answerla. org
* * * * *
In Anaheim, CA (Orange County):
Sunday, December 28
2:00 pm
512 S. Brookhurst St. (between Orange Ave. & Broadway)
Initiated by a coalition with a large number of groups
New York City
Tuesday, December 30
5:00 pm
Israeli Consulate: 800 2nd Ave (b/w 42nd and 43rd Sts)
Contact: 212-694-8720, nyc@answercoalition .org
* * * * *
Sunday, December 28
2:00-4:00 pm
Gather at Rockefeller Center
March to the Israeli Consulate: 800 2nd Ave (b/w 42nd and 43rd Sts)
Initiated by Al-Awda New York
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Tuesday, December 30
5:00 pm
Federal Building: 299 E. Broward Blvd.
Contact: 954-707-0155, FtLauderdale@ answerfl. org
Chicago
Details to be announced
Contact: 773-463-0311, answer@chicagoanswe r.net
Boston
Details to be announced
Contact: 857-334-5084, boston@answercoalit ion.org
Seattle
Saturday, January 3
12:00 noon – 2:00 pm
Westlake Park: 4th and Pine
Initiated by Voices of Palestine
Contact: general@voicesofpal estine.org
Toronto
Sunday, December 28
2:00 pm
Israeli Embassy Consulate: 180 Bloor St. West
Initiated by a number of local organizations
Mr. Awaistein
I think you are stupendously stupid & engaging.
you wrote
“i dnt want to go into discussing who breach the contract and why”
I assure you–you can not get into any kind of discussion.
You are good with two liner slander when taken to task you can not defend your stance–you come up with new lines of slander.
Now if you are serious to discuss anything & you want to prove you can get into sane discussion then come up with explanation of your stance as secular Muslim & religious zionist.
I request the admin if this scum of earth failed to show discussing ability & continue with his slander he should be barred from posting.
My solution is that you should be barred from posting unless you prove you are sane enough to write on this forum.
people killed by militant in bajor,wana,sawat ,etc are far more then people killed in Palestine. but not jihadi mulla condemn ,people got killed in Karachi between 1986 to 1992 are 10 times more then people killed in Philistine .
Casualty figures for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the OCHAoPt[123]
(numbers in brackets represent casualties under the age of 18)
Year Deaths
Palestinians Israelis
2005 216 (52) 48 (6)
2006 678 (127) 25 (2)
2007 396 (43) 13 (0)
Total 1290(222) 86 (8)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-Palestinian_conflict
116 suicide bombings in Pakistan since 2002 ,Thousand of people killed by so called islamic jihadis and taliban .thousand of people killed by saddam ,iran -iraq war .million got killed by fighting between mujahideen in afghanistan .
1290 people killed in Philistine since 2005 and each incident become big in pakistan where in pakistan people got killed every day and people support the militant and defending them ,
@Awais Says:
December 28th, 2008 at 7:50 pm
Still wating reference, Hamas missile attack in last month, which can support your stance…
From Israel Itself:
Disinformation, secrecy and lies: How the Gaza offensive came about
Long-term preparation, careful gathering of information, secret discussions, operational deception and the misleading of the public – all these stood behind the Israel Defense Forces “Cast Lead” operation against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip, which began Saturday morning.
The disinformation effort, according to defense officials, took Hamas by surprise and served to significantly increase the number of its casualties in the strike.
Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago,…
THE JEWISH THIRD REICH
The pornographic mass slaughter perpetrated by Israel in the Gaza Strip on Saturday, 27 December, once again reveals the Nazi nature of the Zionist state.
The Hanukah Massacre on Gaza–Judaism in its Finest Hour
The aerial assault on Gaza thus far resulting in several hundred deaths and close to a thousand casualties (much of which will result in even more deaths) must–if it is to be understood correctly–be placed within the historical context of the religious ideas expounded by Judaism since its inception and which today constitute the philosophical lifeblood of the state of Israel….
NOT ALL ISRAELIS ARE OUT FOR BLOOD
Here they were again – the “first nighters, those who are ready to get out and demonstrate against a new war in its first hours, when war propaganda pours out of all the media and all the parties, from the extreme Right to Meretz, support the war.
No organization called for the demonstration – but more than a thousand men and women gathered spontaneously in order to protest in front of the Ministry of Defense in Tel-Aviv, only a few hours after the murderous Air Force attack on the Gaza strip started….
In pictures: Gaza Massacre
@NAB: my numbers are from here:
CIA FActbook: Israel 2007
Now look who’s being defeatist.
If I can withold 100 Euros from going to Israel, I will do that! All I have to do is make an effort to read “Made IN Israel” and throw it back.
Also, agree with the building up internally instead of taking up unwinnable contests right now. wait till the right time…
Mentioned without any doubts they(yahood+naszara) cant be your friends… we defied this and now facing the consequences.. We have only two choices
1. Be like them
or
2. Stay intact and do what has been ordained.
Nothing is different to what it was at that time and what it is now, expect perceptions.
There is no such thing moderenization. Flexibility should not breach the core.
More from Israel…
The Collaborators:
PA/Abbas ‘ready’ to take Gaza if Hamas ousted
Palestinian Authority officials in Ramallah said Saturday that they were prepared to assume control over the Gaza Strip if Israel succeeds in overthrowing the Hamas government.
Abbas waves to supporters in…
Abbas waves to supporters in Salfit, near Nablus. [file]
Photo: AP
Slideshow: Pictures of the week
“Yes, we are fully prepared to return to the Gaza Strip,” a top PA official told The Jerusalem Post. “We believe the people there are fed up with Hamas and want to see a new government.”
Another PA official said Fatah had instructed all its members in the Gaza Strip to be prepared for the possibility of returning to power. …
Egypt accused of ‘deceiving’ Hamas
Egypt “collaborated” with Israel in its Gaza attack and lulled Hamas into thinking the Israel Defense Forces would not attack Gaza, the London-based Arabic-language newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi reported Sunday.
The report, based on Arab diplomatic sources, claims that Egyptian Intelligence Minister Omar Suleiman told a number of Arab leaders that Israel was intending to attack the Gaza Strip in a limited manner in order to pressure the Palestinian organization into agreeing to a renewed ceasefire….
More Pictures
(Of course the Motherfvcker Awais sees no civilians in these….)
@nota
Now it tells why Hammas stopped sending their injured to Egypt–What a traitor these non beardo arabs are.
Civilian houses and medical centres targeted by Israeli air-strikes
Israel to mount emergency international PR effort in wake of Gaza campaign
Mass murderers expect your support and understanding
Obama on Gaza: ‘No Comment’
Pelosi on Gaza: US must stand strongly with Israel
@Jazoo
Speaking of Egyptians, here is what will be used as an “excuse” by them to work against Hamas and the Palestinians:
Egyptian guard killed by Hamas on Gaza border
Note they were already blaming Hamas:
“The events are likely to aggravate tense relations between Hamas and the Egyptian government, which says that Hamas is largely to blame for the Israeli onslaught. Israeli air strikes have killed around 300 people in Gaza in two days….”
Arab traitors killing each other, gotta love it! Serves Arabs right for exporting their terror ideology to Pashtunistan. I really could care less about them.
@Jatt, you’re accusing me of bring ethnicity in every discussion? Have you even looked at your nick name?
@tharapolitics, a de-nuclearized Pakistan would be the best thing to happen, as it would mean that the army can no longer blackmail the world.
To me the news of 34 innocent pakhhtuns murdered by ISI is more important than this arab drama. But the priority of this website is different.
The illegitimate military regime of Israel has done yet another mascare. Complete blockade of Gaza strip, ethnic cleansing of Muslims, bombarding Qibla Awul Al-Aqsa Mosque, and now spilling blood of more than 280 muslims in just one day are only a few legacies of this illegitimate regime.
And while muslims of Palestine are seeking protection from Israeli agression and yearning for help from Muslim armies across the globe, responce from our leaders is similar as it has always been. They are not paying heed to the calls from the land of Ambiyaa.
We must record our protest and show our solidatary with the Muslims of Palestine.
In london a protest is taking place infront of Egyptian Embassy to call the Arab Armies to defend Gaza. My request is to all the readers of the blog who reside in London, to turn up in this Picket, and play our role.
The nearest tube station is Marble Arch/Green Park and the postcode is W1K 1DW
Hasan Nasrullah advises vigilance as Is-Ra-El may try to attack Lebanon under the guise of attacking Gaza. They did it last time ,and even this time there were some missiles on timers that the Lebanese police discovered.
Haaretz: Hezbollah: Israel may take this opportunity to attack Lebanon
what a shameful comment by puppet obama the so called change and the fictional h O pe
sorry, I forget to make a mention of timing of the protest. It is taking place @ 1:30Pm infront of egyptian embassy.
This was a litmus test for Obama to test out his ‘loyalties’ as it were, and it happened with the connivance of Mahmood Abbas, the Saudi D!cksuckers and the Egyptian d!cksuckers. Israel is cutting Hamas (its own creation) down to size before Fatah takes over both parts and they talk longterm ‘peace’.
This is why Obama is quiet too.
And to top it all off, a “blessed suicide bomber” walked into a demonstration against the Gaza Attacks in Mosul, and blew himself the fvck up.
Way to fight the enemies, MORONS! just blow yourself up! that’s right boy! just BLLLOW yourself up!
Maybe the fvcknut proponents, sympathizers and defenders of suicide bombings on this forum would like to explain this one to us fools who just can’t fathom the sacred depths of this shithole cesspool of denial they call their “jihad”!
happy fvcking new year dipshits! (and next year, try coming up with strategies THAT DO NOT INVOLVE BLOWING YOURSELVES UP! FFS!)
@FahadAfridi
What a shameful thing to say IF you are a muslim.
Maybe people of pushtunistan shouldn’t have been fatheads to accept and start acting on the idealogy that they brought!!
I think it has become obligatory on all muslims to boycott Israeli products. Some notable names are Coca Cola, Nestle and Nokia. If you buy ANY of these products, you are helping Israel and you have your contribution to misery in palestine.
Nuclear armed terrorist from Israel has attacked the University in Gaza.
Where are the Arab states? The biggest collaborators among them (Egypt) is blaming Hamas. What a shame that Hosni Mubarak was ever born
Can there be any doubt who the real terrorists are?
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=198480
Nasrallah slams Arab, Zionist collaboration
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=198524
‘We Will Reach Zionist Leaders in Their Homes’
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=198391
I hope you will!
After bombarment on University in GAZA , is there any doubt for anyone about Israeli aggression…? But guy like awais , afridi will come and give lecture that Israel is attacking coz of hamas attacked….bombarment on University……a new example of barbarism….wtf
Top Israeli Newspaper Raises Doubts About Gaza Attack
Egyptians open fire on Palestinians
PressTV coverage against Egypt
Today I end my support of Israel
…Well, I haven’t forgotten. And so to honor that pledge, to honor the memory of my family members who died in those death camps and because “there comes a time when silence is betrayal”, today I finally and publicly end my support for the state of Israel….
Lying Bitch: There were no civilian casulties
Shifa ICU: a glimpse of hospital critical injuries
…among the critically wounded were a number of children and minors:
a six year old down’s syndrom with brain trauma
an 11 year old with brain trauma, not likely to survive
a 13 year old with a head injury (”brain matter out”)
a 21 year old, leg amputated, various shrapnel injuries over body and face, loss of hearing in one ear
a 21 year old, braindead, “hopeless” case
a man in his fifties, neither police nor resistance
a man in his forties, on the beach when struck, head trauma (”brain matter out”)
a man in his fifties, head trauma
a 53 year old, shrapnel in the brain, no surgery possible
many other men in their 20s and 30s, head injuries (shrapnel in brain), and abdominal injuries, some policemen….
Israel mounts PR campaign to blame Hamas for Gaza destruction
US veto blocks UN anti-Israel resolution
Israel will not fire a single bullet unless it has a purpose & recent purpose imo has lot to play with human psychology specially psychology of coward arabs.
Recently someone posted how scared were Saudis of Israeli might.
Those tyrant monarch call themselves khademain-e-Hurmain–they fear super powers & Israel more than they fear God–Their faith is like a faith in showcase with name tag without spirit.
Israel may have contempt for arabs but does not fear them.
Yes Israel fear those arabs who are weak but gain strength from their faith.
Israel has found collaborators among corrupt arab kings against these weak arabs who are empowered by faith.
Recent strike serve two purposes–One to put fear of God among all arab neighbors second & most important purpose is to eliminate weak arabs, whom Israeli know much better than us, are real strength.
We do not know power of our faith Israeli does.
ChileanJew sez:
Some more ideas on helping out the Palestinian cause:
Divest Now!!!
If you can stop 1 dollar from going to the fuckers. STOP IT!
Boycott businesses which do business with the illegal State of Israel.
Also…
Cut their support at the roots. Change the minds of the US/UK/EU Law Makers. Write to lawmakers emails AND pen&Paper! DO IT NOW!
What is stopping people in Pakistan from writing to the US Senators? who support this murder?
Not as a request, but as a protest!
Can you imagine 250 million letters From all around the Muslim world arriving at the US Senate in a single month? All against ONE US POLICY?
STOP SUPPORTING ISRAEL!
I second Ghost at least in boycotting their products & products of their supporters.
I will appreciate if someone do the service of listing all the products & Brand Names.
Thank you Ghost for feeling the pain.
Ghost of TK,
I think you have given a very good idea of boycotting the Israeli products. This will really punish them. Adding to it, it can also be used in our own country. We have our own criminals in our country and we can boycott their products as well. We should boycott all the products made by Industries run by Fauj.This would limit their ability to generate money which they use in killing us. I think it is very good idea, and the provincial govt of pukhtunkhwa should start this campaign of boycott of products run by franchises owned by Army.
I would also appreciate if somebody lists the names of products generated in industries owned by Army and specially those industries whose income is for benefit of the retired army officers who are currently running the taliban project as NGOs.
@Utmankhel1
If unanimously we agree to boycott just one product in Pakistan i.e. Walls(Ice Cream)–Lever Brothers would feel the impact.
“What’s been happening in Gaza is fantastic.” Says Isreli mother of 7.
Does she sound familiar? She should. …
UPC of ‘Made In Israel’ goods
Theabove link courtesy of Boycott Israel page.
(Those considering the boycott, this is an excellent resource…)
From the link above, here is a list of companies:
BOYCOTT ISRAEL COMPANY LIST
AOL Time Warner
Apax Partners & Co Ltd
Coca-Cola
Danone
Delta Galil
Disney
Estée Lauder
IBM
Johnson & Johnson Kimberly-Clark
Lewis Trust Group Ltd
L’Oreal
Marks & Spencer
Nestle
News Corporation
Nokia
Revlon
Sara Lee
Selfridges
The Limited Inc
Home Depot
Intel
Starbucks
Timberland
McDonald’s
Arsenal FC
How many of us are ready to give up Coke? Big Macs?? Nokia???
-Israel Killed 1500 Palestinian muslims in last three years
-Hammas Killed 300 Israelis jews in last three years
-Osama bin ladin killed 10000 Mulims ,
Hikmat yaar killed thousands mulims .
Mulla Umer killed thousand innocent mulims
bush killed thousands muslims .
Taliban Killed thousands of innocent muslims ,
Baitullah mehsoud is the mass murmurer of innocent muslims
Million muslims killed in afghanistan fighting between so called mujahideen .
Zulm is zulm ,Qatl is Qatal ,either bu jews muslims or any one ,
Boycott of Israel ? Hmmm. You can’t bleed the giant to death by pinching him. It’s just not going to happen.
This monster is to big to be cut down to size by us in our present state. We have a lesson to learn from West in this. What have they done different since Mideval times to get out of their darkness.
May be if we put aside all of our petty tribal and ethnic conflicts and put ALL OF OUR KIDS TO SCHOOL — real school, no MADrassa and GHOST schools please — we may have a shot at decent life for our coming generations.
otherwise, Frog can jump up and down as much as it wants but it’s ripples are not going to create Tsunami in pound.
US Trade deficit has reached alarming heights. Internal debt is so high that the US comptroller said that it will be highly unlikely that US government will be able to pay the interest on the debts in 2009 if it’s keep spending madly. US debt to GDP percentage is 350% and us derivative market is about 100 trillion dollars all ready to go bust. In this situation US political process can never, even in their dreams, counter the Israeli armed forces because the delicate balance between insolvency and floating economy is in the hands of banks controlled overtly or covertly by Jewish concerns mainly Rothschild dynasty ( one of the super rich families in the world who DOESNOT like to share their wealth information forget Bill gates , warren buffet, they are peanuts).
Israel doesn’t have any enemy left strong enough to counter it’s offensive. Egypt, Syria, Jordan they all have covert agreements with Israel. Palestinians are sacrificed to contain the monster but it is true that innocent blood remains on the conscious of those who stood by the side and it will be revenged one day either by us or by someone else but we will be asked the question on Judgment day and then there will be no escape. Painful is not the fact that Israel can do what ever she wants and west doesn’t say anything, painful is the fact that we as Muslims have become so senseless, numb and coward that for us Palestinian blood is cheaper then water.
Every single Muslim country have cowards, traitors, backstabbers , ruling them who don’t have any moral religious even human feelings left in their rotten carcasses. In this situation is is futile to have any hope of them interfering in these matters. We are responsible for our own destruction. It is or time to pay for 1000 years neglect, corruption and greed. We have to stop innocent murders, rapes, human rights violations within ourselves, we have to stop eating rotten flesh of our own , only then we will have enough courage, strength to stand up against this monster and defeat it. They know this, they know that until they have us divided they can easily rule us,kill us at their pleasure, traget practice on us, mutilate our pride and rape our women, but once we are united there is no power on the face of this earth that can stop us.It is us who has to remember this. Just talking unity and protesting to the very people who are playing with our blood with do nothing.
I pray to Allah that we don’t have to spill a lot of our own blood to get this cancer out of us. But we will have to spill what is needed.
I have never became personal before on this forum but today will be an exception. Shame on @FahadAfridi for your comments, even devil has heart to leave the wounded.
Pakistani muslims killed by taliban has no worth in muslim world .
Hezbollah Secretary General Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah called for a massive gathering in Beirut’s southern suburb to denounce the Israeli aggression on Gaza and to express solidarity with the Palestinian people. Sayyed Nasrallah was speaking through a large screen as he marked the first night of Ashoura at the Sayyed Shouhadaa complex in Dahiyeh.
His eminence addressed the situation in Gaza and expressed deep regret at the Arab collusion “that is similar to the Arab collusion during the 2006 Israeli war on Lebanon.”
“It is truly unfortunate to begin our Hijri new Year and Gregorian new year with a serious humanitarian calamity that has so far taken the lives of three hundred Palestinians in the besieged, oppressed yet resistant and steadfast Gaza Strip.
Today, we might not need to speak about the notion as we are witnessing the model of a new Karbala. What is taking place today helps us more to understand history. Karbala’s reality is that a few believers had refused humiliation and yielding to tyrants. Those believers were to choose between humiliation and disproportionate confrontation that may lead to martyrdom, so they chose martyrdom. Imam Hussein peace be upon him created this model and said his famous words: We shall never be disgraced. It was not a matter of emotions, it was rather a matter of humanitarian and ideological commitment. This is the school of Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him in Karbala,” Sayyed Nasrallah explained.
His eminence went on saying that this was the choice in Karbala “and this was the choice during the July 2006 war.” He told the resistance community in Lebanon that “when you were to choose between surrender and confrontation, you chose to stand up, thus refusing disgrace regardless of the tens of thousands of homes destroyed and the hundreds of martyrs and injured. You stood up against collusion, betrayal and disgrace and this is how blood conquered the sword.”
The Hezbollah chief underlined that what is taking place in Gaza today was identical to what had taken place in Lebanon during the 2006 war. “It’s the same choices, the same collusion and inevitably the same consequence, ” he said predicting victory in the end.
“When the legitimate Prime Minister Ismail Haniyyeh come out from under the rubble and fire to say ‘we will not surrender and we will preserve our dignity…this is Karbala.”
Sayyed Nasrallah openly spoke about the ongoing confrontation in Gaza. “Allow me to dot the i’s and cross the t’s, because we’re in dire need for the nation to shoulder its responsibility. What is taking place today in Gaza is similar to what had taken place in Lebanon; there is a US-Israeli scheme in the region and they want to impose humiliating conditions on the Palestinians, Lebanon and Syria after Egypt and Jordan made so called peace agreements with Israel. They are working on imposing these conditions by force, pressure, isolation, internal sedition, media and psychological wars, assassinations and wars. For them, it is essential to yield those who have not yet yielded t the US-Israeli scheme.”
His eminence stressed some Arab regimes are partners in the scheme. “It is not true that there is Arab silence; there is real and complete partnership in this particularly the sides that signed agreements with Israel. They are working today on preparing the circumstances for the surrender of the resistance engaged in the Arab-Israeli conflict.”
The Hezbollah chief revealed that the war of 2006 was waged with Arab consent and request. “The Israelis were crystal clear when they revealed this and those Arab regimes cannot deny this because the Israelis might possess evidence on their collusion. This is what is happening today in Gaza. Not only those same Arab regimes are demanding Israel cuts the heads of the resistance forces, in fact they are helping the Zionist entity on this. We have heard from Israel that the magnitude of the Arab support to the war on Gaza well exceeds their support to the Israeli war on Lebanon in 2006.”
Sayyed Nasrallah also attributed the internal division in Palestine to the same Arab regimes that want division to become internal strife. He set as example the notorious decisions taken by the previous government in Lebanon against Hezbollah and a senior Muslim Shiite officer managing security at the airport on the fifth of May 2008 and which nearly dragged the country into civil war. “The previous government wouldn’t have taken those decisions on the fifth of May if it weren’t for the support of these Arab regimes. They don not feel embarrassed; they are convinced and committed to the scheme.”
His eminence added that “even on the political and media levels, no one is asking Arab regimes to open its fronts and fight, but the least they could do is to take a fair stance by not holding the victim responsible. ”
“We have heard an Egyptian official blaming Hamas for the attack on Gaza. Can anyone believe that this is the position of an Arab official who said during the blockade of Gaza: ‘We’ll break the feet of anyone who will set foot in Egypt? Is this the stance of an Egyptian official in the wake of the slaughter of more than 300 Palestinians in a short period of time?”
Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit warned Hamas that Israel’s attack will not stop unless the resistance group stops firing rockets at occupied territories.
“Today we are hearing the same positions we heard in 2006 in terms of shouldering the resistance with the responsibility of breaking the war; this is shameful. Some Arab media outlets which should be called “Israeli media outlets” are dealing with the developments in Gaza as if the 300 martyrs were killed in a road accident; they broadcast the news and go back to regular programs as nothing is happening and the worst is that they insist on not calling those killed martyrs.”
Sayyed Nasrallah said that the Gazans have made their choice and they are practicing it through martyrdom and resistance, “just as you did in 2006; nothing stopped you from clinging to your rights and to the resistance.”
“What is the nation’s responsibility today? To triumph, the central objective is to work on stopping the aggression against Gaza and preventing the Israelis from achieving their goals. Arab peoples should press their governments to take action even if this leads to face their regimes with their chests. Those who would fall will definitely be martyrs on the road to Quds. Arab governments should not take weakness as a pretext not to act and Arab people should not take their government’s suppression as a pretext not to take action.
In our present time, the US is in a financial crisis and we have oil, money and political stature and our governments can stop the Israeli aggression with a humble effort. The Egyptian stand is the cornerstone. No one is asking it to open a front; we are asking it to open the Rafah crossing for the living, for food, for water and even for arms. In the war of 2006, Syria did not close its border with Lebanon despite the continuous bombing of the border. Egypt is is the “Mother of the World”; it is not the ‘Red Crescent’ to deal with Gaza like this. Egypt is requested not to exploit the war to pressure Hamas to yield to Israel’s conditions. If Egypt did not open the Rafah crossing to Gaza, he added, it would be considered an accomplice in the killing of Palestinians and they (Egyptian officials) should know that they will be in the circle of condemnation if they do not rush to take an honorable stance.”
The leader of the resistance urged the pride and noble people of Egypt “who we know what really lies in their hearts to take to the streets. If the people took to the streets by the millions, could the police kill millions of Egyptians? People of Egypt, you must open this crossing by the force of your chests,” he said. “We know that Egyptian officers and soldiers adhere to their authentic Arab identity. I am not calling for a coup in Egypt, but those officers should tell their government that they are not with watching the Palestinian people being slaughtered while they guard Israel’s border. No one is justified today; the Egyptian stand can change the situation. If Gaza was steadfast for a few days or weeks, the aggression will eventually end because the Israeli enemy cannot tolerate war of attrition and will be forced to stop and abandon its goals.”
Sayyed Nasrallah criticized the sides that are calling for a fair and comprehensive peace with Israel. “I ask them: what has Israel given you except for more humiliation and more conditions? The Palestinians did not gain from Camp David the least rights to save face. It is really silly to believe that the international community will protect us through international resolutions, none of which was implemented by Israel. You say that Arab solidarity will protect us? Where is this Arab solidarity and they could not agree on a summit to address the situation in Gaza because of (Egyptian) reservations? What really protects our peoples and gains back our rights is the sincere resistance and everything else is mere illusion.”
As for Lebanon, Sayyed Nasrallah continued, “since the aggression on Gaza began, Barak, Livni and Olmert have been sending warnings to Lebanon and the Israeli army has been stepping up measures on the border and calling on settlers in the north to prepare their shelters. Hearing this, there are two options: the first is that everything the Israelis are saying and doing is in the framework of a pre-emptive measure; and the second is that they are planning for something. We should be aware that this bad timing amid Arab collusion, international void, economic crisis and US political vacuum between Bush and Obama, might allure Israel to take a certain action against Lebanon especially that they need to make such move for political and electoral gains.
This requires Lebanon to be cautious and not to underestimate what it happening around it. For instance, who placed the eight rockets discovered lately in the south? Some politicians in Lebanon have been pointing their fingers at us. But I tell them that Hezbollah has enough courage to take responsibility for any action it takes. On the other hand, isn’t it true that Israel has the capacity to infiltrate into Lebanon and plant these rockets, or maybe use its agents in Lebanon to do this job so that the Zionist entity would be justified to attack Lebanon? Unfortunately, some Lebanese politicians are giving Israel this pretext through their silly statements.
I have asked the brothers in the resistance in the south specifically to be present, on alert and cautious because we are facing a criminal enemy and we don’t know the magnitude of the conspiracies being weaved around us.”
Sayyed Nasrallah concluded his speech by calling on the Lebanese, Arabs and Muslims to act responsibly at this stage and exert every effort to stop the aggression on Gaza.
“Imam Sayyed Khamenei has called for mourning on Monday. We are concerned in this. For my part, I invite you to gather tomorrow at 1500 (local time) at the Raya field, men and women, young and old, to consolidate with Gaza and the martyrs. We have to make the whole hear our voice and see our fists rising. Tomorrow is Ashoura as well because every day is Ashoura and every land in Karbala.”
@Jazoo
Have you written the above post?
Or is it from some news site?
@jazoo
Hizbollah is an other terrorists organization. they need to realized that if they cannot beat Isreal why dnt they risk the life of ordinary civilians {who has nothing to do with them}
Hizbollah got killed hundred of thousands of ‘innocent’ Labanes by firing the rockets on Israel.
Now Hammas is doing the same.
as in said in “rural Pakistan”
“No point in fighting if you cannot give your enemy a tough time”
Its very easy to fight a war and get your own country men killed.
and the leaders jobs is to avoid the wars and to safe the life of each and every civilians of your country. if you cannot do that you better something else.
Thankfully we didn’t has leaders like that otherwise Subcontinent would have a ruin by now through a nuclear war.
@@jazoo
and there is no analogy to Hammas with the events in Karbala.
in spite of much worst situations none of them ever attacked any unarmed men. No one of them ever attacked from the back/{while hiding}
None of them did suicide attack to kill the opponent civilians targets. None of them ever used women and children as ‘human Shield’.
so i will recommend that you keep this away from Hamas.
Problem of Palestine and I seal is a Political problem and its has only political solution.
Its not a religious problem and war between Palestinian and Israelis is not a war between Islam and Judaism.
its a Political problem which warns a political solution.
@Awais: “Hizbollah got killed hundred of thousands of ‘innocent’ Labanes by firing the rockets on Israel.
Now Hammas is doing the same.”
Stop LYING! The casualty numbers are out there and they are noway NEAR a 100,000 asor more as you claim.
The onus was on Israel because their indiscriminate use of Cluster Weapons was the cause of most of the Civilian deaths.
They were dropping precision guided weapons on ambulances for fvcks sake!
2006 Israeli Agression on Lebanon was well planned and not a fluke “war of passion” started by Israel.
Israel got its A$$ handed to it in Lebanon on 2006. Thanks to Hezb-Allah!
Suck on that.
@Ghost Of TK
so even according to your theory even if Israel was having plans to attack Labnon who gave Israel a chance to fulfill their desire to attack??
Hizbollah
once they started the war then they ran away or hide in bunker and let ordinary people bear the brunt.
Hizbollah Played a part in started war with Isreal and what did Hizbollah gained nothing.
what did Isreal gained they destroyed alomost all of Labnon.
Now Hammas played a part in Starting a war with Israel what did they gained nothing.while Israel destroyed almost all of gazas and now will occupy Gaza as well.
so whose interests are Hizbollah and Hamaas Working, people of Labnon or Gaza or Israel.
you people need to understand that any of these Hamas or Hizbollah are not capable of fighting with Israel at present , at maximum what they can do is fire some rockets. which they provide an ‘excuse’ to Israel in the name of ‘defending its citizens’{which is a Legitimate right} to come and beat them, and who suffers most in all that the poor innocent civilians of gaza.
All those super duper muslims accusing me of not caring about Muslims, do YOU care about hundreds of Muslims killed by ISI backed Taliban? Have you spoken out against your terror army? You don’t care about pukhtun lives, so why should I loose sleep over the lives of arabs? Let your arab shiekhas take care of them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081229/ap_on_re_as/as_pakistan_valley_of_fear
Scenic Pakistani valley falls to Taliban militants
By NAHAL TOOSI, Associated Press Writer Nahal Toosi, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 17 mins ago
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Taliban militants are beheading and burning their way through Pakistan’s picturesque Swat Valley, and residents say the insurgents now control most of the mountainous region far from the lawless tribal areas where jihadists thrive.
The deteriorating situation in the former tourist haven comes despite an army offensive that began in 2007 and an attempted peace deal. It is especially worrisome to Pakistani officials because the valley lies outside the areas where al-Qaida and Taliban militants have traditionally operated and where the military is staging a separate offensive….
….therrrrfuccker WAIS, shut your mouth for your rubbish and sh…tt comments. I already commented on you that to support your comment , give reference also. But you never give anyone reference….go and sleep with your….and use the shittt thoughts in your fa..ly……
Killing of hundereds of Palestine, bombarment on Ambulances, Schools, Hospitals, and specially on University is massacare of Palestine. But it is really difficulty for you to understand coz your head is fullllll sh–ttt….
I don’t want to use these words, but your comments are irritating me as I am and most of members on this forum are depressed to see tha GAZA situation….
@ Awais
“once they started the war then they ran away or hide in bunker and let ordinary people bear the brunt.”
Then answer, how Israel went back to their momssss after failing to release their soldure?
what the stupid person you are….having only rubbish to write….you need s-x thrapy from ehud and shamaan paraiz so that you can stay in israel with your godssssss….
@FahadAfridi
Stop being a dickhead like Awais (that is, if you can help it)
@FahadAfridi
“do YOU care about hundreds of Muslims killed by ISI backed Taliban?”
Yes!
“Have you spoken out against your terror army?”
Yes and do it every day
“You don’t care about pukhtun lives, so why should I loose sleep over the lives of arabs?”
If you are a ‘pakhtun’ then it is just accidental. So-called “Pakhtuns” certainly ought to be killed. I cerainly won’t loose any sleep over that; in fact I will sleep more soundly…
No one is asking you to “loose sleep over the lives of arabs”.
The Politics of the Gaza Massacre
If you’re looking for the cause of the most recent Israeli aggression against the Palestinians – over 300 killed so far, and many more wounded – forget Hamas. The real casus belli is politics, in Israel and America….
Israel Is Doomed!
Israel is doomed because it is run by psychotic idiots who are bent on a “Greater Israel” strategy….
The Hanukah Massacre on Gaza–Judaism in its Finest Hour
(Great article; The comments at the end are certainly worth reading as well)
@Awaistein
You are not qualified to talk on any issue unless you clear your position.
Are you a secular muslim or motherfvcking religious zionist.
nota,
“ought to be killed”
You havent digested Balochs yet, how would you digest pukhtuns ? ? ? ?
and yes the Bengalis whom you vomitted after eating …….
Fahad Brother, don’t expect anything from them, you have to do EVERYTHING for yourself.
@Utmankhel1
Probably I did not do a good job phrasing my thoughts. I’ll give it another shot:
In my statement “So-called “Pakhtuns” certainly ought to be killed” I was refering strictly to one kind of person, that being Fahad Afridi, the so called pakhtun. It is this particular individual is what I am strictly referring to when I use the term “So-called ‘Pakhtuns’”.
But of course you will still read more into it than was intended.
@FahadAfridi
“Not Pakistan’s problem. Let the Arabs do their own thing.”
“We have enough problems in our own backyard to worry about in-fighting among the Semitic races.”
“Arab traitors killing each other, gotta love it! Serves Arabs right for exporting their terror ideology to Pashtunistan. I really could care less about them.”
Maybe the rest of us ought to say:
“Not our problem. Let the Sarhadis do their own thing.”
“We have enough problems in our own backyard to worry about in-fighting among the NWFP races”
“Pakhtun traitors killing each other, gotta love it! Serves them right for exporting their terror ideology to Afghanistan. I really could care less about them.”
Sure I am not a scvm to feel like that but my arguments would be as valid as yours
URGENT! Israeli Navy Attacking Civilian Mercy Ship! TAKE ACTION IMMEDIATELY!
The Dignity, a Free Gaza boat on a mission of mercy to besieged Gaza, is being attacked by the Israeli Navy in international waters. The Dignity has been surrounded by at least half-a-dozen Israeli warships. They are firing live ammunition around the Dignity, and one of the warships has rammed the civilian craft causing an unknown amount of damage. Contrary to international maritime law, the Israelis are actively preventing the Dignity from approaching Gaza or finding safe haven in either Egypt or Lebanon. Instead, the Israeli navy is demanding that the Dignity return to Cyprus – despite the fact that the ship does not carry enough fuel to do so. Fortunately, no one aboard the ship has yet been seriously injured….
Shock, Awe and Lies: The Truth Behind the Israeli Attack on Gaza
Here is a simple, stone cold fact. You cannot read or hear the truth about what is happening in Gaza from any corporate media in the United States. The only thing you will find there are regurgitations of Israeli spin, which are themselves only regurgitations of the kind of spin that American militarists have put on their own depredations — for centuries now. Up and down the American media and political establishments, you will find nothing but bleatings about Israel being “forced” to launch its vicious blunderbuss attacks against heavily populated Gaza because of the “recent spate of Hamas bombings” since the end of a six-month ceasefire.
This is of course a damnable and deliberate lie. Papers in Israel — in Israel, but not the United States — are reporting the truth: the murderous assault on Gaza was planned not only before the six-month ceasefire ended — it was planned before the cease-fire even took effect. Indeed, the cease-fire was part of the military plan to decimate the civilian areas of Gaza; it was a hoax, a scam, a deliberate feint to buy time for military preparations — precisely the same strategy followed by the Bush Regime (and its bipartisan Establishment supporters) in “going to the UN” to seek a “peaceful solution” to the “Iraqi crisis” — when the invasion was already in the works.
Haaretz reports on the Israel’s deceit in the latest outrage, in the aptly titled piece, “Disinformation, secrecy and lies: How the Gaza offensive came about”:…
The so-called “Peace Process”
Nasrallah slams Arab, Zionist collaboration
Collaborator Abbas blames Hamas for bloodshed
Two related cartoons:
Arab League
Mubarak/Egypt
In Pictures: Massacre of Gazan Children
“No civilians were killed”: Israeli PM
“They are all legitimate targets”: IDF
must watch @nota’s link ‘In Pictures: Massacre of Gazan Children’
will defintely make any human cry….
@adnanalaric
“innocent lives lost…n israel can easily shy away saying right of self defence…n we can only condemn it…end of story..”
Yes, but we will remember all sacrifices and the cruelty of the barbaric terrorist from Israel. Historically seen 50-60 years is a very short time, and be sure that in the future we will take revenge for all the killings and cruelties committed by the Israelis and their friends!
mashallah
Look at your statements.
“be sure that in the future we will take revenge for all the killings and cruelties committed by the Israelis and their friends”
and we will take revenge of Israeli children killed by Hamas suicide bombings and Rockets attacks.
Why “revenge” is the only solution.
Why not to sit together and talk and live together in the ‘Holy Land’
why only renege
why only blood shed.
Just because there are religious fanatics on both side of border in middle east.
The only solution is that the sons of Abraham will have to live together.
now look at the other side of the story.
Suicide attack in a Bus By Hammas
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2497823.stm
Select Hamas Terrorist Attacks Against Israel
* August 28, 2005: A suicide bombing outside the Central Bus Station in Beersheba severly injured two security guards who stopped the bomber from entering the bus station.
* January 13, 2005: Six Israelis were killed and five other civilians were wounded in a double suicide bombing at the Karni crossing between Israel and the Gaza Strip. The two suicide bombers used a very large explosive device to blast through a defensive wall that separates the Israeli and Palestinian sides at the crossing. Following the blast, the bombers crossed into the Israeli side, carrying explosives on their bodies, which they detonated.
* August 28, 2004: Sixteen people, including a 3 year old, were killed and about 100 injured when two buses in Beersheba were attacked within minutes of each other by suicide bombers.
* June 28, 2004: A Kassam rocket fired by Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip struck near a nursery school in the northern Negev town of Sderot, killing an Israeli man and a 4-year old Israeli child.
* April 17, 2004: A border policeman was killed and three others wounded when a Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up at the Erez Crossing in Gaza.
* March 14, 2004: Ten people were killed and 16 wounded in a double suicide bombing in the area of the Ashdod Port. Hamas and Fatah claimed responsibility for the attack.
* January 14, 2004: A female suicide bomber killed four people and wounded 20 at the Erez Crossing in the Gaza Strip. Hamas and the Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
* October 15, 2003: Three Americans were killed and one wounded at the Beit Hanoun junction in the Gaza Strip when a massive bomb demolished an armor-plated jeep in a convoy carrying U.S. diplomats and CIA personnel. Both the militant Islamic Jihad and Hamas movements denied responsibility for the attack.
* September 9, 2003: Hamas claimed responsibility for two suicide bombings, the first at an entrance to the Tzrifin army base near Rishon Lezion and the second at Café Hillel in the German colony neighborhood of Jerusalem, which killed a total of 15 people and wounded at least 80.
* August 19, 2003: Hamas and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the suicide bombing of a bus in Jerusalem killing at least 18 people and wounding nearly 100.
* August 12, 2003: Suicide bombers killed two Israelis and wounded more than a dozen people in two attacks within a half hour of each other, one at a shopping mall in the Tel Aviv suburb of Rosh Ha’ayin and the other at the entrance of the West Bank town of Ariel. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade claimed responsibility for the Rosh Ha’ayin bombing and Hamas claimed to have carried out the Ariel attack.
* June 20, 2003: An Israeli motorist was shot dead and three of his passengers were wounded when their car was fired upon by Palestinian terrorists near Ofra, north of Ramallah. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* June 11, 2003: Sixteen people were killed and more than 80 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus during the afternoon rush hour. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* May 19, 2003: A Palestinian suicide bomber on a bicycle attacked an Israeli checkpoint on the Gaza Strip, wounding three Israeli soldiers. Hamas claimed responsibility.
* May 18, 2003: Seven people were killed and more than 20 wounded when a suicide bomber blew up a Jerusalem city bus at the start of the Israeli work week. The bomber was disguised as an ultra-orthodox Jew. Soon after, a suicide bomber carrying explosives and dressed in the garb of an ultra-orthodox Jew was stopped at a roadblock. The Palestinian detonated his explosives, killing only himself. Hamas claimed responsibility in both attacks.
* May 17, 2003: A pregnant Israeli woman and her husband were killed when a suicide bomber detonated himself next to them in a public square in Hebron. Hamas claimed responsibility.
* April 30, 2003: Three people were killed and dozens wounded in a suicide bombing at a beachfront pub in Tel Aviv. The Fatah Tanzim and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, carried out as a joint operation.
* March 7, 2003: Two Israelis were killed and five were wounded when armed terrorists infiltrated the community of Kiryat Arba and attacked during Shabbat. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* March 5, 2003: Sixteen people were killed and more than 30 wounded when a terrorist detonated a powerful bomb on a bus en route to Haifa University. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* January 5, 2003: Twenty two people were killed and about 120 wounded in a double suicide bombing near the old Central Bus Station in Tel Aviv. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, Islamic Jihad and Hamas all claimed responsibility for the attacks.
* November 21, 2002: Eleven people were killed and 47 injured when a Palestinian suicide bomber exploded on a bus filled with passengers, including schoolchildren, in the Kiryat Menahem neighborhood in Jerusalem. The bus was traveling toward the center of the city during the morning rush hour. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* October 27, 2002: Two Israeli police officers and a soldier were killed, and 20 bystanders were wounded in a suicide bombing at a gas station near the settlement of Ariel in the West Bank. The two officers and soldier were killed while trying to prevent the terrorist from detonating the bomb. Hamas and the Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.
* September 19, 2002: Six people were killed and 60 wounded when a terrorist detonated a bomb on one of Tel Aviv’s busiest streets, in a bus opposite the Great Synagogue. Many of the wounded were in critical or serious condition. Both Islamic Jihad and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* August 4, 2002: Nine people were killed and about 50 wounded in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus at the Meron junction in northern Israel. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* July 3, 2002: Eight people were killed and 86 injured, 14 seriously, when a bomb went off at the Frank Sinatra Cafeteria on the Hebrew University Mt. Scopus campus during the busy lunchtime rush. Israeli authorities reported that the explosive device had been planted ahead of time, with the terrorist possibly detonating it by remote control. Five Americans were among the dead. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* June 18, 2002: Nineteen people were killed and more than 70 were injured, in a suicide bombing on a bus just outside of Jerusalem. The bus, which was completely destroyed, was traveling from Gilo to Jerusalem and had many students on board. In addition to the bus, at least two other vehicles were severely damaged in the attack. Hamas claimed responsibility.
* June 8, 2002: Three Israelis, including a pregnant woman, were killed, and five were injured when an armed terrorist inflitrated the community of Carmei Tzur, south of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsiblity for the attack.
* May 19, 2002: Three Israelis were killed and more than 50 injured in a suicide bombing at an open-air market in Netanya. A Palestinian disguised as an Israeli soldier carried out the attack. Both Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility. Two of the victims were identified as Yosef Haviv, 70 and Arkadi Wiselman, 40, both of Netanya. Wiselman, a chef at the Park Hotel, survived the Passover bombing on March 27.
* April 27, 2002: Three Palestinian gunmen disguised as Israeli Army soldiers cut through the perimeter fence of Adora, a settlement on the West Bank, and entered several homes, firing on residents in their bedrooms. Four people, including a 5-year-old girl, were killed in the attacks. Another seven were injured, including one seriously. Both Hamas and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility.
* March 31, 2002: Fourteen people were killed and more than 40 injured in a suicide bombing in Haifa, in the Matza gas station restaurant near a shopping mall. Several of the injured were in serious to critical condition. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* March 27, 2002: Twenty-two people were killed and 140 injured – 20 seriously – in a suicide bombing at the Park Hotel in the coastal city of Netanya, in the midst of the Passover holiday seder with 250 guests. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* March 19, 2002: 1st Lt. Tal Zemach, 20, of Kibbutz Hulda, was killed and three soldiers were injured when Palestinian terrorists opened fire at the paratroop training compound in the Jordan Valley. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* March 9, 2002: Eleven people were killed and 54 injured, 10 of them seriously, when a suicide bomber exploded at in a crowded cafe at the corner of Aza and Ben-Maimon streets in the Rehavia neighborhood in the center of Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* March 7, 2002: Aharon Krogliak of Beit El, Tal Kurtzweil of Bnei Brak, Asher Marcus of Jerusalem, Eran Pikar of Jerusalem, and Ariel Zana of Jerusalem, all aged 18, were killed and 23 people were injured, four seriously, when a Palestinian gunman penetrated a highschool that combines religious studies and military training in the Gush Katif settlement of Atzmona late Thursday night. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* March 5, 2002: Palestinians fired two Kassam II rockets at the city of Sderot shortly before 18:00 PM on Tuesday. One of the rockets hit a residential building, moderately wounding a 16-month-old infant. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* February 10, 2002: A drive-by terrorist shooting at the entrance to the IDF Southern Command base in Be’er Sheva killed two female soldiers and injured four others. One of the Palestinian terrorists was killed at the scene; the second, wearing an explosives belt, fled in the direction of a nearby school when he was shot and killed by a soldier and police officer. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
* December 2, 2001: A suicide bombing on a No. 16 Egged bus in Haifa killed 15 people and injured about 40 people. Hamas claimed responsibility for the Haifa blast, while Hizbullah’s radio and television stations expressed support for the attacks.
* December 1, 2001: A double suicide bombing at the Ben-Yehuda pedestrian mall in Jerusalem at 11:30 p.m. on a Saturday night killed 11 people, aged 12-21, and injured 188 people. A car bomb exploded 20 minutes later. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.
so madness is on both sides and we MUST condemn both sides and ask them to stop killing innocent civilian people.
The number of Dead in Buner reaches 41.
2 sqaudrons of F-16 killed 200
1 suiside bomber killed 41
Our condemnations of Israeli actions do ring a bit hollow when we completely overlook the heinous crimes being committed in the name of “Islam” right on our soil.
Mr. Munafiq, head of Jamat “Islami” brushed off the Buner attack yesterday by saying …”oh THAT was only personal rivalry.”
So, now, the blessed jihad factories are producing GPS’s ..ie; “General Purpose Suiciders”… DON”T BLAME ISLAM for it…
We’re like the United satates, we just innovate, and then people make their own factories.
India has the NANO and the Space Mission to the Moon, We have the fvcking Jihadi Jacket!
@Awais:
The flaw in your logic is that you are equating Israel and the Palestinians in the responsibilities incumbent on each group.
Israel is the aggressor.
Is.Ra.El is the Theif!
Israel has the bigger moral burden to carry here. And the response is disproportionate .
The reason for Isral’s action is to create a NEW wave of suicide bombings so they can beat obama over the head with them and wiggle out of any peace deal.
Unfortunately, we Muslims have our buttons and the fvking zionists know it. Some times they press the “Muhammad Button” and some tiems they press the “Pelestine button” .. and they use the angry but dissipated response to justify ratcheting up their theft of Palestinian rights.
Israel is in the wrong here, because of it’s “original Sin”… and YES, If Muslims can be kicked out of Spain after 800 years of rule, then the German and Russian Jews can sure as sh!t be kicked out of here.
Basically, Jerusalem belongs to those who can keep it. History is witness to this simple fact. The only thing Muslims need to remember is the Past. But thanks to Beardo’s, no-one is methodically writing and recording this shit down as everyone is dissipating energies in running head on into a train because, you know, “bay tegh bhi laRta hai sipahi” and our sipahi’s INSIST on fighting ‘bay-tegh’… in-fact, they throw their ‘tegh” away so they can do a cos-play of Iqbal’s verse.
P.S. Btw, Hamas and Hezbullah are not the same kind of animal and even Israel doesn’t put them in the same box.
Israel is the aggressor.
no my argument with that is who made Israel to do aggression. who invited Israel for aggression?
and then you need to compare that what would have been the position of Hamas {if it would have in the shoes of Israel}
@Awais: “…who made Israel to do aggression.”
Are you JOKING? Are you suggesting Israel is the victim here?
Did you forget that Israel is a fake and illegitimate state created by the connivance of a bunch of europeans who undertook ethnic cleansing of the Arabs of this area?
Are you fvcking joking me? Do you really think Israel has ANY LONG TERM VIABILITY in this neighbourhood as long as it keeps acting as if it is Germany’s Left Testicle?
The Demographic and Historical processes are against Israel. And the only thing it can count on for its long term survival is the abysmal ignorance of the fvcking Muslim Massess.
Because no-one would allow anyone to ass-rape them and then forget about it within a generation .. no-one that is except of course Muslims who have short fvcking memories owing to being ignoramuses due to decimated education systems.
But some are trying to change this.
And Israel will have to go. In its current configuration, Israel is simply not viable.
Sorry.
Awais,
You are amazingly ignorant and gullible. The Terrorist State of Israel, while publicly withdrawing from Gaza, never lived up to its promise of lifting the siege of Gaza. Even today’s NY Times acknowledges that fact; and NY Times is probably the most pro-Israel mainstream Israeli news source in America.
As Shirkuh says above: A few decades is nothing in the grand scheme of things. The Zionazi state of Israel will pay the price. I hope the peace lobby in Israel is not harmed then but the rest of the cesspool who supports the massacre in Gaza should and will pay a very heavy price.
@Awaistein
“Select Hamas Terrorist Attacks Against Israel”
Nice cut and paste job from ADL website! (I am sure you are feeling sorry you missed out all those since 2005 but since your masters failed to list them, you were handicapped there)
Your selection of the source for “facts” itself speaks volumes. But we already know what to you is legal and illegal…
BTW wonder why you missed “attacks” not done by Hamas. Are you wsaving them for later?
It is also interesting to see you choose NOT to list any of Israel’s atrocites/massacres/murders. Ever heard of Jenin? How about Sabra and Shatila? How about the recent events in Lebanon? How about back in 1982? And what about the on-going apartheid?
In
ADLyour book, of course all blame falls on the Palestinians…Dears Bro, Sis in Islam
Discussion , Blogs, Posts, are not going to
earn any thing ..its time bring practical
change this nation is waiting for , this Ummah is waiting for ,
and it is none other thn Youth of this nation who has take ruins on their shoulders .
Todays we are being attacked and internal and external Horizons …common
sujjest the solutions above any political,
social , ethnic mind set
Dedicating Iqbal to you
MOHABAAT MUJHEY UN JAWANO SEY HEIN ..
SITARON PER RAKTHEY HEIN JO KAMAND
common re organize your self
and save pakistan ..which is probably prophecised as
Nation to lead muslim Ummah
Nota, you posts look more and more like a wikipedia entry with all the links.
@nota,
“Maybe the rest of us ought to say:
“Not our problem. Let the Sarhadis do their own thing.”
“We have enough problems in our own backyard to worry about in-fighting among the NWFP races”
“Pakhtun traitors killing each other, gotta love it! Serves them right for exporting their terror ideology to Afghanistan. I really could care less about them.”
Sure I am not a scvm to feel like that but my arguments would be as valid as yours
”
Your arrogance is amazing. Your punjab based ISI with its local imposed agents is the one killing pukhtuns in the first place! The rest of the country has already been ignoring this ongoing massacre.
So, what you say or think right now is really immaterial. The damage has been done. Revenge will be the only answer from our side, because that is the only thing you people can understand.
Its boiling, let the pressure b there.
The burst is very near, thas all I can say, despite this fockin ranting we keep on mourning like lasses, coz we have focking eunuchs. WE HAVE EUNUCH LEADERS, SO EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO MOURN ONLY, WITH A BEAT OF THE BANGLES.
It took fockin 35 years to make one general, and the SOB bowed in the price of Kashmir,& is dining with other ass holes.
Just a revolution.
Besides this all, I rcommend U all to have a
http://www.ghazwatulhind.com/
Yes yes, It will start from the only land made in the name of ‘ALLAH’ in the 6000 years available history.
@Avi Stein (aka ‘Awais’):
In your little list, you conveniently forgot to mention that the time period you quoted (dec 2001-2005) is the period when no ceasefire agreement existed between the Gaza-Ghetto and the descendants of the Jews of the Warsaw-Ghetto.
Quote suicide bombings by Hamas during the ceasefire agreement that just expired few days ago after which Is-Ra-El started it’s latest “offensive” against the fish-in-the-barrel
As much as I despise suicide bombings, you have to acknowledge that the world-community and Israel itself has turned Palestinians, the rightful inhabitants of the land of Palestine into pscyhological mental cases, and given the state of embargoe, what else do you fvckers expect?
Would your sacred-cow ancestors in the concentration camps not have employed such methods had it offered the only option for them?
You see, Israel doesn’t even have the decency to put all these people in a proper prison. It just creates conditions which make it worse than a ghetto and concentration camp combined.
The history will NEVER forgive you for what you did to those who always gave you a place of sanctuary against the kind of shitty treatment you fvkkers were getting all over ‘christian’ europe, the very same ‘judeo-christian civilization’ that you don’t tire of crowing about. Jerusalem, Palestine, Spain, Baghdad you were allowed to live like citizens while in europe you were kept like despicable dogs.
And this is how you repay us? YOU FVCKING INGRATES!
Ghost Of TK
my dear friend history and the map doesn’t go only up to 1946.
@Ghost of TK, nota and others
I feel no matter how much you will give arguments and facts there are few people here that will only talk fantasy and present arguments without logic.
I believe that what ever is happening in our country (imported war or war agaist penies) and Middle East we should atleast share some words against it like you guys are doing. good luck
No difference people in GAZA and people in Bunair ,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2008/12/081231_bunair_hayee_visit_ra.shtml
Some statistics about Israel and Palestine..
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/
Heartbreaking Poem of Palestinian Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LZpaIKLw0Y
OCCUPATION
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2451908450811690589
@AwaiStein
Got some guts to post few more links.
He must apologize for posting following link
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7801881.stm
With following comments
“here are your ‘freedom fighters’ and ‘ideal Muslims’ who are not allowing the sick and wounded to go to Egypt to get treatment so that they can sell the ‘death toll’ to recruit some more ‘Jihadi suicide bombers’ to kill innocent Israeli {not their army}.”
This A55hole must understand–Credibility is the only thing which is counted on these internet threads.
Whence his credibility is badly damaged he must apologize to restore it.
“Should I keep back my opinions at such a time through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty towards the majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.” — Patrick Henry, 23 March 1775, in his Liberty or Death speech at St. John’s Church in Richmond, Virginia.
“In time of war the loudest patriots are the greatest profiteers.” — August Babel
“War is a racket and always has been.” — Gen. Smedley Butler.
War is the highest form of Mass Terrorism. It is an organized crime.
Madeline Albright: “Americans are probably the most religious people in the world, aside from Iran .”
Cindy Sheehan: “What they’re saying, too, is like, it’s OK for Israel to have nuclear weapons. But Iran or Syria better not get nuclear weapons. … It’s like OK for Israel to occupy Palestine , … for the United States to occupy Iraq , but it’s not OK for Syria to be in Lebanon . They’re a bunch of (expletive) hypocrites.”
· Israel ’s attacks on innocent civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza and Lebanon are a violation of U.S. law, specifically the U.S. Arms Export Control Act and the U.S. Foreign Assistance Act. The U.S. Arms Export Control Act restricts the use of U.S. weapons to legitimate self-defense and internal policing; U.S. weapons cannot be used to attack civilians in offensive operations. The U.S. Foreign Assistance Act prohibits U.S. aid of any kind to a country with a pattern of gross human rights violations.
· Israel ’s attacks on civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza and Lebanon are examples of collective punishment, which are prohibited under the Geneva Conventions.
· Continued Israeli actions against the civilian population of Gaza and Lebanon are not only against U.S. laws and the Geneva Conventions, which Israel has reportedly been given a “green light” to continue for another week by the Administration, but they are destroying the American ability to fight the war on terror. They are also destroying Israel ’s ability to make peace with her neighbors through negotiations, the only real road to security for the state of Israel .
Since the invasion of Palestine by East-European Zionists (Ashkenazi/Khazar) , hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been murdered or made destitute/refugees on their own land. Israel holds at least 10,000 Palestinians in its dungeons (mediaeval jails) including women and children, and the rest captive behind a concrete wall. Since 9/11, about 1,000 children have been killed (crushed or burnt by Israeli bombs or tank/gun fire). Israel Adam Shamir says that the Palestinians have no chance of survival unless we free our souls from Zionist Control (article at the end). Many Jews have condemned the invasion of Iraq and now the invasion of Palestine and Lebanon . However, the minority Zionists are in control and are continuing their insane racist psychopathic Stalinist genocide, killing Palestinians and Lebanese (and Iraqis through their US proxy) with impunity using staged attacks as an alibi. They staged the fake kidnapping of one soldier by claiming the impossible task of Palestinians having dug a tunnel under the desert sand. In Lebanon , it all started on July 12, Israeli troops were sent across the border and were ambushed on Lebanon ’s side of the border. Hundreds of civilians and their life supporting infrastructure have been destroyed, hundreds have been kidnapped. The US/UK Neocon Cabal is complicit in the Zionist holocaust of the Arabs because it supplies the military hardware to the Zionist army and will now also supply the fuel, and also a) By jettisoning law and due process, by manufacturing a one-party state, and by repression of dissent in the media, the United States joins the ranks of other rogue states. b) By removing itself from the strictures of the 4th Geneva Conventions, and by removing itself as a signatory to the International Criminal Court and War Crimes Court , the United States of America identifies itself as a rogue state. c) By engaging in a pre-emptive war of aggression, and through rendition, torture, rape, and by violation of significant guidelines issued at Nuremberg , the United States has become complicit in immoral and terrorist acts, and thus identifies itself as a terrorist state. And Germany has also been selling military hardware to Israel including nuclear capable Dolphin class submarines.
http://www.revision isthistory. org/archives. html
The Only Book that calls it by its Correct Name: http://www.revision isthistory. org/images/ liebermanandhoff man_small. JPG
The Israeli Holocaust Against the Palestinians http://www.revision isthistory. org/cgi-bin/ store/agora. cgi?p_id= 125
by Moshe Lieberman and Michael Hoffman
It is important to note the following Biblical verse Revelation 2:9 “I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Judaens and are not, but are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN”. (see Jews Against Zionism http://www.jewsagai nstzionism. com ) Anti-Zionist Rabbi Shaul Brach “Since the dawn of the Zionist movement, suffering has not ceased to exist in the world. All the warnings of the Torah have been fulfilled in their details among our People all over the world. For a believer it is no surprise that the Zionists are the same as the heretics at the time of the Destruction of the Temple .”
Let us first review some Zionist quotes to get an insight into the mentality of the Zionist Supremacist leaders who are perpetrating this genocide.
Olmert’s statement “I want nobody to sleep at night in Gaza ” omitted from US news. Patrick O’Connor.
Speaking during an interview which was published in Jerusalem Friday, Professor Martin Van Crevel said Israel had the capability of hitting most European capitals with nuclear weapons: “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets of our air force.” “Our armed forces are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that this will happen before Israel goes under.”
“The nation of Israel is pure and the Arabs are a nation of donkeys. They are an evil disaster, an evil devil, and a nasty affliction. The Arabs are donkeys and beasts. They want to take our girls. They are endowed with true filthiness. There is pure and there is impure and they are impure.” –Rabbi David Batzri, head of the Magen David Yeshiva in Jerusalem [Israeli newspaper Haaretz, March 21, 2006]
“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon , Trans-Jordan, and Syria . The weak point is Lebanon , for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us.. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said , Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte , New York 1978.
“There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed.” Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969
“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
“We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel … Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.” Israel Koenig, “The Koenig Memorandum”
“We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
“Neither…morality nor…tradition can be used to disallow terror as a means of war…We are very far from any moral hesitations when concerned with the national struggle. First and foremost, terror is for us a part of the political war, appropriate for the circumstances of today…” Yitzhak Shamir
Israelis Boldly Admit they are Collectively Punishing the Palestinian People
by Michael A. Hoffman II
From Fisher and Erlanger, in the NY Times, July 3, 2006: “The strikes appeared to be a direct response to the instructions of the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, who told subordinates at a cabinet meeting on Sunday that he intended to make the lives of Gazans ever more miserable until the captured soldier, 19-year-old Cpl. Gilad Shalit, was released…Mr. Olmert, whose air force has already bombed Gaza’s bridges, crippled its only power plant, shelled the Palestinian prime minister’s office here and subjected all 1.4 million Gaza residents to night after night of sleep-depriving sonic booms, said he had ordered the military and government ‘to do everything in order to bring Gilad back home.’
“…the Israel military has been steadily increasing the pressure, on both the militant groups and Palestinians generally… The message, underscored regularly by Israeli officials, is that Israel would not hesitate to assassinate top Hamas leaders…Israel( ’s)… attacks on the infrastructure in Gaza…the bombing of the power plant, which is partly owned by an American company…still smoking four days after all six of its transformers were hit ? was visited Sunday both by the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, and the United Nations special coordinator for the Middle East peace process, Álvaro de Soto . Two days ago, Israeli warplanes also bombed the entrances to all four access roads to the plant, which is insured by the United States Overseas Private Investment Corporation, or OPIC….” (end quote)
The destruction of civilian infrastructure and property and the attacks on civilians by Israeli forces, constitute, as the Israeli Prime Minister virtually admits, collective punishment of the entire population of the Gaza Strip, a violation of Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert is now on record at his cabinet meeting declaring “that he intended to make the lives of Gazans ever more miserable.”
Guided Bombs Take Out Building killing innocent families including babies and children
@jazoo
“@AwaiStein
Got some guts to post few more links.
He must apologize for posting following link”
BTW that tells you a lot about the “unbiased and respected” BBC as well. I was flipping through FoxNews/CNN/SkyNews/BBC and ALL OF THEM were going on and on about one alleged “rocket” hitting a kindergarten (of course there were no injuries caused by it) and how terrible it was for the poor Israleis who had to live with this kind of fear. Not one mention of Gaza and the death and destruction there.
@awaisstein
I am not your ‘brother’ you motherfvcker and stop pasting the lies from the zionist press releases. No one is buying your shit here so you can go watch with your mama lift her legs for your zionist masters.
@jazoo
“Israelis Boldly Admit they are Collectively Punishing the Palestinian People”
“Of course Hamas is to blame for this” as awaistein would say.
Zionists are famous for collective punishment. But what our army is doing in FATA etc. is no different. Isn’t “collective punishment” the policy admittedly being followed there as well?
Operation continues in Jamrud Fata senator quits in protest
JAMRUD/LANDIKOTAL: Security forces on Wednesday continued pounding base camps of suspected militants in Jamrud subdivision of Khyber Agency for the second day, demolishing houses and Hujras of several tribal chieftains with explosives, besides rounding up a number of suspects.
Security officials also claimed to have recovered a huge cache of arms from the residence of an elder of the Kokikhel tribe. The houses and Hujras of nine influential tribesmen — accused of harbouring militants and criminals — were dynamited.
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The residences and Hujras of tribal elders including Malik Attaullah Jan Kokikhel, Malik Ahmad Khan, Malik Khanzeb, Sher Shah, Haji Najeebullah and Haji Saleem, were blown up with dynamite during the action.
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The house and Hujra of Senator Nasir Khan was also demolished in Shahkas, prompting the lawmaker to resign from the Upper House of parliament in protest.
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Meanwhile, the military operation in Jamrud has badly affected common people in Landikotal. They cannot commute to the Khyber Pass because of curfew in Jamrud. Patients have been lying in the Landikotal hospital, who could not be shifted to Peshawar hospitals even in ambulances, the hospital sources said….
How fvcking convinient! “Forget about all our atrocities. WE are the victims here”:
San Francisco Holocaust Memorial Defaced
(For those who don’t know, the last time a San Francisco a synagogue was burned down and the hue-and-cry about “anti-Semitism”, it turned out the Rabbi’s son was the arsonist.)
CNN admits: Israel broke the ceasefire
HOW YOU CAN BRING PEACE WITH JUSTICE TO GAZA ~~ 26 WAYS
US Citizens/Residents pl. follow these two links to register your protest.
http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/641/t/2439/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26379
http://www.endtheoccupation.org/modinput4.php?modin=114
Officail Apathy: The Gaza Ghetto and Western Cant by Tariq Ali
The assault on the Gaza Ghetto, planned over six months and executed with perfect timing was designed largely to help the incumbent parties triumph in the forthcoming Israeli elections. The dead Palestinians are little more than election fodder in a cynical contest between the Right and the Far Right in Israel….
Rampage in Gaza for a Bump in the Polls by Mile Whitney
Barack Obama has passed his first test with flying colors. He’s made himself disappear so Israel can continue its killing spree in Gaza. The last time a president shrunk this small was when Ariel Sharon took his wrecking-ball through Jenin during the second intifada. Bush slipped down a mouse hole so Israel’s “Man of Peace” could finish his dirty work unopposed. Now Obama has taken refuge in that same dark hideaway….
Five Little Girls on a Sofa By Brian Ccloughley
You wouldn’t know from the western media that Israel’s foreign minister (and would-be prime minister), Tzipi Livni, made a disastrous appearance on al-Jazeera television last week, just as you wouldn’t have seen dreadful pictures of dead children and their screaming distraught mothers in Gaza unless you watch al-J TV, which is almost impossible in the US. Here in France we can receive al-Jazeera, and the images are truly horrific….
^^^
Why is it that we hear in Pakistan don’t get Al Jazeera? Why are we only allowed Murdoch trash like FoxNews and Sky and not much better CNN and BBC only? (Equally as disgusting is GEO carrying VOA)
@nota
I just do not understand how dead we are as a nation & how dead we are as a Ummah.
The whole world stood up unanimously in protest against these Zionist crime–I see the sea of people pouring out from everywhere then I also see countable few heads in Islamabad coming out in protest.
I saw Karachi, Lahore, Peshawar, Multan, Queta etc. etc. sleeping over this crime as nothing has happened.
I saw Arab world sleeping over this crime except Lebanon & Iran & few thousands pour out in Egypt.
We are living but there is no pulse.
I appreciate you not accepting the insult of being brother of mothafukin AwaiStein.
@FahadAfridi
“Nota, you posts look more and more like a wikipedia entry with all the links.”
Duh! Guess what? The whole web-thingy comes with a lot of links. Forgive me for making it easier for readers to find stuff I am taling about.
“Your arrogance is amazing. Your punjab based ISI with its local imposed agents is the one killing pukhtuns in the first place! The rest of the country has already been ignoring this ongoing massacre.”
Great! I know you have nothing when you bring race into it. I think you are mistaking my pure disgust for pseudo-pakhtun cartoons like yourself for ‘arrogance’.
“The damage has been done. Revenge will be the only answer from our side, because that is the only thing you people can understand.”
Wooo! I am so scared! (BTW Care to explain what you mean by ‘you people’?) Your punk ass is probably sitting somewhere in America paying taxes that pay for the Hellfires raining down on your (actually they are mine cause you gave them up when you left them to go live where you do) people. So you have no fucking right to call them ‘your people’ (Got a green card? citizenship?
) So you can go fvck yourself or take it up the @ss (whatever pleases you more). If you really want to take revenge for the Pakhtuns, shoot yourself in your head.
“daddy what were you doing when your people were being masacred?”
“I was sitting on my @ss in US talking ‘revenge’ and having a good time!”
SO FVCK YOU @SSH*LE!
@jazoo
Thanks a lot for all the links.
I have signed up the petition and contacted all my friends to so. Thanks again.
I am sure this is real Jihad.
Everyone here from Swat and Peshawar should take up the issue with leadership of ANP at whatever level is possible, to force them ask for UN or NATO help in countering the elements. The residents of these areas will have at least a sense of justice done if some of these bastards are killed so long as their brutalities continue.
Furthermore, in presence of our army we are never gonna see the bastards like Qazi being tried for their role is a pimp of army, unless some powerful force from outside does anything. NATO seems to have the capability.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2009/01/090101_drone_waziristan.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2009/01/090101_drone_waziristan.shtml
@jazoo
“I just do not understand how dead we are as a nation…We are living but there is no pulse.”
Neither do I. What really gets me are the calls like “What have we against Israel? We must recognize Israel! We have so much to gain being friends of Israel”, etc. that I get from well-meaning people.
I also don’t understand so-called “Pakhtuns” like Utmankhel1 elated about NATO drone strikes and asking for more.
Go figure!
@shandana
You may also want to check the HOW YOU CAN BRING PEACE WITH JUSTICE TO GAZA ~~ 26 WAYS I posted earlier and relinked here.
nota,
though what i m writing here seems not more than a mere propaganda, but i have to write them, as sadly thats the reality.
i remember Qazi shouting in a jalsa once,” we pukhtuns are always fighting each other, aint it better we fight hindus in kashmir”, a huge clapping followed with narae-takbeer. i remember a friend of mine in first year FSc joined jihadi training thanks to this pimp.
In school days, we were once invited to watch a movie of brutalities committed against muslims in kashmir and bosnia. This thing was arranged by the fuc..g jamaatees. A number of footages were shown, but the one that stuck in my mind was a BLACK AND WHITE footage of the massacre of Bonsnian muslims in the 90s by serbs, in which the corpses of dead were rolled over by road rollers. Now i have found out that the Black and White footage basically was the 1940s massacre of jews by nazis. I know things have been done to muslims but am trying to keep the character of these criminals in proper perspective as they used trues and lies to fuel anti hindu/christian/jews sentiments for their jihads. In short using truths and lies, these JI criminals kept on recruiting who ever they found for their jihads and now we are faced with those jihadists bent on destroying our villages and cities. All these things happened with full support of the (state of pakistan)=army through the pimps of JI and others.
These jihadists are now operating all over the puktunkhwa and FATA and we cannot do anything as the JI/PTI other religious groups and state of pakistan=army won’t let us do anything.
When our own state of pakistan=army is in love affair with the jihadists we have to look around for help somewhereelse, NATO UN comes into mind suddenly.
So Its a simple thing why dont you understand this ?
and for God sake when our own backyard is burning how are we going to look across the seas for smoke rising from another brotherly country called palestine.
similary you being my countrymen; i expect you to first help me in putting out the fire here and then we will together talk about palestine, but if after years of my cries of help are unheared and i become sure of your indifference then i damn care about anything which binds you and me together, whether it’s religion or being units of the same federation.
——-Example of rubbing salt over wounds is the statements of JI about the blasts in Pukhtunkhwa and protests against israel in pukhtunkhwa.
simple, aint it, i can’t write complex, even if i try to !
@nota
Ya, I hv already checked it and was trying the links. Thanks a lot.
BTW I was just following the coversation b/w you and Utmankhel and was thinking that you are a little too hard on him. I think his point is not that wrong. If our own army is killing us (who is meant to protact us) then where should we go? Don’t just read the words, feel the pain behind it.
@
“When our own state of pakistan=army is in love affair with the jihadists we have to look around for help somewhereelse, NATO UN comes into mind suddenly.”
Bro, but is where you are making your biggest mistake. And I am glad you brought up Bosnia/Serbs.
Who do you think was JI criminals working for in their recruitment efforts? Who do you think provided them with the propagnada material including that black and white footage? The very same NATO that you are presuming to be the good guys(remember NATO is led by US). Similarly UN is again the instrument that legitimizes US actions. And to see their “success” in matters like FATA and Kashmir, one has to just take a quick look at the map of Palestine linked above and what is going on their today *there are many more examples of UN’s effectiveness like Rwanda, Sudan, Somalia, Cambodia, Myanmar, — the list is a long one) I am sure you don’t want to put all your hopes in a UN Resolution.
Regarding Bosnia believe me when I say it had nothing to do with jihad but everything to do with the West’s wish to breakup Yugoslavia and again “jihadis” were used against Serbs. It was infact he CIA-sponsored Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) that started the killing of Serbs. It was NATO’s bombing of Serbs that ignited the “war”.
(I am sure you remember this famous picture used to justify the actions of NATO. I hope you know it was a fake. And as mentiond in the link, even today mainstream media like the BBC continues to propagate the lie about it)
I am just amazed you would overlook such facts and be seeing hope in NATO. All your blame put on JI is justified but please don’t overlook the fact that what JI was doing then was working as agents of NATO ( Things are no different today).
On the NATO Bombing of Yugoslavia
Why is NATO at war with Yugoslavia?
^^^
for @Utmankhel1
Utmankhel, thanks for writing that post so diplomatically. I don’t have the same patience to deal with this indic.
http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2008/12/gazas-reality.html
@FahadAfridi
“Utmankhel, thanks for writing that post so diplomatically. I don’t have the same patience to deal with this indic.”
Right
Go ride on someone else’s shoulder. That’s brave of you.
You are giving Afridis a bad name, “indic”
@Utmankhel1
Here is some additional reading on NATO’s role in bringing about the disintegration of Yugoslavia:
NATO’s War Against the Serbs
Wesley Clark: Hero or Villain?
(BTW, do you know some people — including me — regard it as the ‘Second Nuclear War, courtesy of NATO?)
And here’s Revealed: the amazing Nato plan, tabled at Rambouillet, to occupy Yugoslavia by John Pilger
@utterlyco-optedkhel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...
ain’t it funny how those that cant stop reminding the world of ‘a’ holocaust…has been perpetuating one ever since they occupied palestine.
@shandan
Thank you for taking part in protest–Thats least we can do.
Americans are not devoid of feelings–Sooner or later pressure will build up against unjustified pro Israel foreign policy.
one of our “faithful and righteous’ brother in admin have deleted my this thread so i thought to write it again. {i know you will try to delete it again}
@ nota, meengla, Ghost Of TK
My dear ‘faithful’ brothers.
Your ‘ignorance’ has lead your ‘faith’ into the current situation.
Few point for your information
Israel is as legitimate state as any other state in the eyes of UN. You accept it or not its up to you. Your acceptance or rejection of this fact doesn’t matter at all. Because you don’t matter at all in this world.
I totally agree with your right to oppose its policies and actions but DON’T HAVE ANY RIGHT TO START KILLING IT PEOPLE.
SIMILARY ISREAL DON’T HAVE A RIGHT TO KILL INNOCNET GAZANS.
An other fact for your kind attention is that {I hope wont agree with that because your only want to see the things with the eyes of religion} is that it’s was HAMAS to started this conflict by fire rockets INDISCRIMATY on Israeli civilians.
Same as their forefather started a Yom Kippur War and then were beaten up by Israel.
So it’s simple
“Don’t f**k up it you cannot do it properly”
And the fact of the matter is HAMAS cannot do it properly and because of its ‘ignorance’ and expectation that God will send angles for them from skies, they started then war and then get their innocent civilians killed.
Why don’t they do what their other ‘Muslims’ brothers are doing In West Bank, Jordon, Egypt and living peacefully with Israel.
You need to understand that it’s the same evil ideology {religious Fanaticism} which is creating mess all around the world, be it Hamas, hizbollah, Israel, Ikhwan, Wahabism, Taliban, Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Sharaiyta-e-mohamdi, SIMI, Sipah-e-sahabah, Jaish-e-mohammad, LeT, Jammat-e-Islami, Tablighi Jamaat, Christian Fundamentalism in the shape of Neo-evangelicalism, RSS { Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh},Sangh Parivar,Shive Sena, Jindallah and others.
@”Awais” : “You need to understand that it’s the same evil ideology {religious Fanaticism} which is creating mess all around the world, be it Hamas, hizbollah, Israel, Ikhwan, Wahabism, Taliban, Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Sharaiyta-e-mohamdi, SIMI, Sipah-e-sahabah, Jaish-e-mohammad, LeT, Jammat-e-Islami, Tablighi Jamaat, Christian Fundamentalism in the shape of Neo-evangelicalism, RSS { Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh},Sangh Parivar,Shive Sena, Jindallah and others.”
I find it curious that you seemed to have missed a very relevant group of religious fanatics, namely Jewish Zionists, whose little handiwork is the main cause of creation of many of these religious organizations to begin with!
Blind spot much?
@Awais
“Israel is as legitimate state as any other state in the eyes of UN. You accept it or not its up to you. Your acceptance or rejection of this fact doesn’t matter at all. Because you don’t matter at all in this world”
When the DAJJAL will come in this world most of all will submit to him and make the place in hell.
Accepting any thing because UN accept doesnt make sense.
If this is so why USA has to veto most of UN resolutions presented in front of UN to protect Israel?
@Awais
Let some one destroy your house, you may be doing the same what is happening in Middleeast
@Awais
“Israel is as legitimate state as any other state in the eyes of UN. You accept it or not its up to you. Your acceptance or rejection of this fact doesn’t matter at all. Because you don’t matter at all in this world”
the most BS comment ever i read on this forum. Intresting to see a person having name Awais but spreading thoughts of zionist….. no worth WAISSSSS
Follow the link below to find out ethnicity of real Slave Traders
http://libreopinion.com/members/standarteslc/jewishquestion04.html
Source: Elizabeth Donnan, 4 Volumes, ‘ Documents Illustrative of the History of the Slave Trade to America ‘ Washington , D.C. 1930, 1935 Carnegie Institute of Technology, Pittsburgh , Pa.
Gaza: the logic of colonial power
As so often, the term ‘terrorism’ has proved a rhetorical smokescreen under cover of which the strong crush the weak
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* nir
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o Nir Rosen
o guardian.co.uk, Monday 29 December 2008 08.00 GMT
o Article history
I have spent most of the Bush administration’s tenure reporting from Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Somalia and other conflicts. I have been published by most major publications. I have been interviewed by most major networks and I have even testified before the senate foreign relations committee. The Bush administration began its tenure with Palestinians being massacred and it ends with Israel committing one of its largest massacres yet in a 60-year history of occupying Palestinian land. Bush’s final visit to the country he chose to occupy ended with an educated secular Shiite Iraqi throwing his shoes at him, expressing the feelings of the entire Arab world save its dictators who have imprudently attached themselves to a hated American regime.
Once again, the Israelis bomb the starving and imprisoned population of Gaza. The world watches the plight of 1.5 million Gazans live on TV and online; the western media largely justify the Israeli action. Even some Arab outlets try to equate the Palestinian resistance with the might of the Israeli military machine. And none of this is a surprise. The Israelis just concluded a round-the-world public relations campaign to gather support for their assault, even gaining the collaboration of Arab states like Egypt.
The international community is directly guilty for this latest massacre. Will it remain immune from the wrath of a desperate people? So far, there have been large demonstrations in Lebanon, Yemen, Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq. The people of the Arab world will not forget. The Palestinians will not forget. “All that you have done to our people is registered in our notebooks,” as the poet Mahmoud Darwish said.
I have often been asked by policy analysts, policy-makers and those stuck with implementing those policies for my advice on what I think America should do to promote peace or win hearts and minds in the Muslim world. It too often feels futile, because such a revolution in American policy would be required that only a true revolution in the American government could bring about the needed changes. An American journal once asked me to contribute an essay to a discussion on whether terrorism or attacks against civilians could ever be justified. My answer was that an American journal should not be asking whether attacks on civilians can ever be justified. This is a question for the weak, for the Native Americans in the past, for the Jews in Nazi Germany, for the Palestinians today, to ask themselves.
Terrorism is a normative term and not a descriptive concept. An empty word that means everything and nothing, it is used to describe what the Other does, not what we do. The powerful – whether Israel, America, Russia or China – will always describe their victims’ struggle as terrorism, but the destruction of Chechnya, the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, the slow slaughter of the remaining Palestinians, the American occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan – with the tens of thousands of civilians it has killed … these will never earn the title of terrorism, though civilians were the target and terrorising them was the purpose.
Counterinsurgency, now popular again among in the Pentagon, is another way of saying the suppression of national liberation struggles. Terror and intimidation are as essential to it as is winning hearts and minds.
Normative rules are determined by power relations. Those with power determine what is legal and illegal. They besiege the weak in legal prohibitions to prevent the weak from resisting. For the weak to resist is illegal by definition. Concepts like terrorism are invented and used normatively as if a neutral court had produced them, instead of the oppressors. The danger in this excessive use of legality actually undermines legality, diminishing the credibility of international institutions such as the United Nations. It becomes apparent that the powerful, those who make the rules, insist on legality merely to preserve the power relations that serve them or to maintain their occupation and colonialism.
Attacking civilians is the last, most desperate and basic method of resistance when confronting overwhelming odds and imminent eradication. The Palestinians do not attack Israeli civilians with the expectation that they will destroy Israel. The land of Palestine is being stolen day after day; the Palestinian people is being eradicated day after day. As a result, they respond in whatever way they can to apply pressure on Israel. Colonial powers use civilians strategically, settling them to claim land and dispossess the native population, be they Indians in North America or Palestinians in what is now Israel and the Occupied Territories. When the native population sees that there is an irreversible dynamic that is taking away their land and identity with the support of an overwhelming power, then they are forced to resort to whatever methods of resistance they can.
Not long ago, 19-year-old Qassem al-Mughrabi, a Palestinian man from Jerusalem drove his car into a group of soldiers at an intersection. “The terrorist”, as the Israeli newspaper Haaretz called him, was shot and killed. In two separate incidents last July, Palestinians from Jerusalem also used vehicles to attack Israelis. The attackers were not part of an organisation. Although those Palestinian men were also killed, senior Israeli officials called for their homes to be demolished. In a separate incident, Haaretz reported that a Palestinian woman blinded an Israeli soldier in one eye when she threw acid n his face. “The terrorist was arrested by security forces,” the paper said. An occupied citizen attacks an occupying soldier, and she is the terrorist?
In September, Bush spoke at the United Nations. No cause could justify the deliberate taking of human life, he said. Yet the US has killed thousands of civilians in airstrikes on populated areas. When you drop bombs on populated areas knowing there will be some “collateral” civilian damage, but accepting it as worth it, then it is deliberate. When you impose sanctions, as the US did on Saddam era Iraq, that kill hundreds of thousands, and then say their deaths were worth it, as secretary of state Albright did, then you are deliberately killing people for a political goal. When you seek to “shock and awe”, as president Bush did, when he bombed Iraq, you are engaging in terrorism.
Just as the traditional American cowboy film presented white Americans under siege, with Indians as the aggressors, which was the opposite of reality, so, too, have Palestinians become the aggressors and not the victims. Beginning in 1948, 750,000 Palestinians were deliberately cleansed and expelled from their homes, and hundreds of their villages were destroyed, and their land was settled by colonists, who went on to deny their very existence and wage a 60-year war against the remaining natives and the national liberation movements the Palestinians established around the world. Every day, more of Palestine is stolen, more Palestinians are killed. To call oneself an Israeli Zionist is to engage in the dispossession of entire people. It is not that, qua Palestinians, they have the right to use any means necessary, it is because they are weak. The weak have much less power than the strong, and can do much less damage. The Palestinians would not have ever bombed cafes or used home-made missiles if they had tanks and airplanes. It is only in the current context that their actions are justified, and there are obvious limits.
It is impossible to make a universal ethical claim or establish a Kantian principle justifying any act to resist colonialism or domination by overwhelming power. And there are other questions I have trouble answering. Can an Iraqi be justified in attacking the United States? After all, his country was attacked without provocation, and destroyed, with millions of refugees created, hundreds of thousands of dead. And this, after 12 years of bombings and sanctions, which killed many and destroyed the lives of many others.
I could argue that all Americans are benefiting from their country’s exploits without having to pay the price, and that, in today’s world, the imperial machine is not merely the military but a military-civilian network. And I could also say that Americans elected the Bush administration twice and elected representatives who did nothing to stop the war, and the American people themselves did nothing. From the perspective of an American, or an Israeli, or other powerful aggressors, if you are strong, everything you do is justifiable, and nothing the weak do is legitimate. It’s merely a question of what side you choose: the side of the strong or the side of the weak.
Israel and its allies in the west and in Arab regimes such as Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia have managed to corrupt the PLO leadership, to suborn them with the promise of power at the expense of liberty for their people, creating a first – a liberation movement that collaborated with the occupier. Israeli elections are coming up and, as usual, these elections are accompanied by war to bolster the candidates. You cannot be prime minister of Israel without enough Arab blood on your hands. An Israeli general has threatened to set Gaza back decades, just as they threatened to set Lebanon back decades in 2006. As if strangling Gaza and denying its people fuel, power or food had not set it back decades already.
The democratically elected Hamas government was targeted for destruction from the day it won the elections in 2006. The world told the Palestinians that they cannot have democracy, as if the goal was to radicalise them further and as if that would not have a consequence. Israel claims it is targeting Hamas’s military forces. This is not true. It is targeting Palestinian police forces and killing them, including some such as the chief of police, Tawfiq Jaber, who was actually a former Fatah official who stayed on in his post after Hamas took control of Gaza. What will happen to a society with no security forces? What do the Israelis expect to happen when forces more radical than Hamas gain power?
A Zionist Israel is not a viable long-term project and Israeli settlements, land expropriation and separation barriers have long since made a two state solution impossible. There can be only one state in historic Palestine. In coming decades, Israelis will be confronted with two options. Will they peacefully transition towards an equal society, where Palestinians are given the same rights, à la post-apartheid South Africa? Or will they continue to view democracy as a threat? If so, one of the peoples will be forced to leave. Colonialism has only worked when most of the natives have been exterminated. But often, as in occupied Algeria, it is the settlers who flee. Eventually, the Palestinians will not be willing to compromise and seek one state for both people. Does the world want to further radicalise them?
Do not be deceived: the persistence of the Palestine problem is the main motive for every anti-American militant in the Arab world and beyond. But now the Bush administration has added Iraq and Afghanistan as additional grievances. America has lost its influence on the Arab masses, even if it can still apply pressure on Arab regimes. But reformists and elites in the Arab world want nothing to do with America.
A failed American administration departs, the promise of a Palestinian state a lie, as more Palestinians are murdered. A new president comes to power, but the people of the Middle East have too much bitter experience of US administrations to have any hope for change. President-elect Obama, Vice President-elect Biden and incoming secretary of state Hillary Clinton have not demonstrated that their view of the Middle East is at all different from previous administrations. As the world prepares to celebrate a new year, how long before it is once again made to feel the pain of those whose oppression it either ignores or supports?
@Ghost Of TK
no i mentioned the name of Israel which is a product of Zionism and Imperialism.
@supercreature
no my prophet didnt do the same what Hammas is doing
“He Forgave the Hinda who ‘eaten the liver of his most beloved uncle HAMZA.”
“He forgave Abu Sufiyan who was the main leader of the wars to lead to deaths of Hundreds of Sahabah”
“He forgave each and everyone who has attacked who didnt any Zulm on him”
he didnt through rockets to kill his enemies.
he didn’t order his faithful sahabah to do kill any leader of Kuresh is a suicide attack.
No please dnt say that we need to follow Hamas not the prophet Muhammad {PBUH and his all}
@tharapolitics
go and read any list of the names of the legitimates states in the world it will include the name of Israel.
the fundamental flaw which most of you are having is that
you consider the war between Israel and Hamas as a religious war while it isn’t, its a political matter which warns a political solutions which Yasir Araffat and Yitzhak Rabin had agreed.
I dnt think so its a war between the people of Gaza and people of Israel i think its a war between the two Fanatics Hamas {Islamists} and Israel[Zionists}.
and i that innocent poor people of Gaza are being killed along with few Innoccent people of Israel.
Hamas is doing the same what Ghazi Rashid did in Lal Masjid.
and the result will be the same as well.
This is story about how (some) jews create fake stories to get peoples sympathy and off course make money and fame:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1102387/Death-camp–8216-sweethearts-8217-feted-Hollywood-admit-love-story-fake.html
Excerpts:
“It was billed as one of the greatest love stories ever told.
A Jewish boy who survived a Nazi concentration camp thanks to food thrown over the fence by a girl he called his ‘angel’ met her again by chance on a blind date in New York after the war and took her as his wife.
Hollywood snapped up the rights and a tear-jerking book relating Herman and Roma Rosenblat’s romance and 50 years of wedded bliss was destined to be a bestseller. But last night the story was exposed as fantasy.”
@Shirkuh
so you want to Label all Jews same bases on the example of a one Jew.
do you what will happen then.
they will start labeling Muslims same bases on one examples.
and you know we have plenty of wrong examples.
@Shirkuh
True, that was the headline in many western news websites few days back …
@Awais
Read my post again. I am not blaming ALL Jews.
nota,
m reading that stuff, thx, though it,s generating many more questions than is actully answering ……. thx …… things will go back a bit ……. it seems ……..1947 i think and before that ……. forward policy ……….. great game …….. Jinnah …… hindu muslim riots ………..let me read them first ………..
@Awaistein
Although Israel still not at the map of world but has got recognition from many states & a seat in UN as well–That does not legitimatize its illegal & unjust existence.
Asides from legal issues,morally & ethically it has proven it was a mistake which should either be contained or eliminated.
With the existing progress it will bring an end to this world or at least this latest civilization since world war-II.
@jazoo
how many countries in the world don’t recognize Israel as a legitimate state?
I will wait for you answer.
@Shirkuh
Almost EVERY holocaust survivor story has proven to be fake, including the Anne Frank holy grail…e.g.:
“Angel at the Fence” Fraud
The Anne Frank Diary Fraud
Misha: A Memoire of the Holocaust Years Fraud
“Fragments” and “Misha: A Mémoire of the Holocaust Years” Frauds
Elie Wiesel’s “Night” Fraud (Yes, it won him a Nobel; He himself is a fraud and racist)
“Love and Consequences” Fraud
And I can go on. Give me the name of ANY holocaust memoir and I will prove to you it is a fraud. Any wonder why it has become “an industry”?
@Utmankhel1
“though it’s generating many more questions than is actully answering”
I am glad. That is all it is supposed to do…
@AwaiStein
“so you want to Label all Jews same bases on the example of a one Jew.”
Oldest trick in the book of the Zionists. Any criticism of themand they start screaming “Anti-Semite”.
“you consider the war between Israel and Hamas as a religious war”
Another fabrication of your zionist-plagued mind
@nota
i mean what do you want to prove.
do you want to say that Holocaust itself was a ‘fraud’
do you want to say that millions of Jews send to the gas chambers were ‘fraud’?
actually the fact is that you are antisemitic and you wanted to target Jews in the name of anti-Zionism.
Killing Jews by Indiscriminate rocket firing is a cold blooded murder as targeting civilians in Gaza.
Its not Justifiable in the name in Anti-Zionism.
Nazis couldn’t do it and you people wouldn’t be able to do it.
Humanity will do ‘what ever it takes’ to save all the innocents.
I just want you to show this picture.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1768060&l=01e5f&id=563717785
and then see this picture
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1768049&l=48fad&id=563717785
and tell me do you feel any difference.
you need to understand that enemies of the Muslims of Gaza are Muslims itself.
I mean Hamas, as long as Hamas is there and doesn’t change its attitude there wouldn’t be any peace in Gaza and in middle east.
and as a result Gaza Sicilians people will suffer more as compare to Israeli Civilians.
Hamas will have to change.
as AL Fateh has changed and now living peacefully side by side with Israelis and all pending issues need to be sorted by Dialogue but by Guns or rockets.
@awais
i have many jewish friends who would be embarassed by your zionist/fascist propaganda. if you are ever exposed to alternative (read free) media..perhaps one day you too will grow up. just like everyone else who thinks that the state of Israel thrives on the blood and flesh of an occupied people.
tk nails it nicely…not much difference between the evangeliban..the taliban…and the israeliban
kafka8
i have so many Muslims friends who would be embarassed by your Islamists propaganda. if you are ever exposed to alternative (read free) media..perhaps one day you too will grow up. just like everyone else who thinks that the Hamas thrives on the blood and flesh of an occupied people.