Comments on: Islamabad Tonight – 2 January 2009 http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/ Sat, 20 Mar 2010 19:51:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Kashif http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145358 Kashif Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:27:26 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145358 British made us slaves 200 years ago and Arabs 1400 years ago... British made us slaves 200 years ago and Arabs 1400 years ago…

]]> By: Utmankhel1 http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145353 Utmankhel1 Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:08:22 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145353 From Swat with no love .. http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=156098 Can anybody give me the phone number of Imran .......... i want to pay my GRATITUDES to him ............ From Swat with no love ..

http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=156098

Can anybody give me the phone number of Imran ………. i want to pay my GRATITUDES to him …………

]]> By: Utmankhel1 http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145296 Utmankhel1 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:21:03 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145296 Shiruk, It's absolute independence. Currently people of NWFP FATA are hostages of Talibans whose Control Room is in GHQ and GHQ is run by Dollars. They don't want to be ruined in the double games played by GHQ. It's like hostages of slaves of slaves ....... very complex ......... why not make it simple .... Shiruk,

It’s absolute independence.

Currently people of NWFP FATA are hostages of Talibans whose Control Room is in GHQ and GHQ is run by Dollars.

They don’t want to be ruined in the double games played by GHQ.

It’s like hostages of slaves of slaves ……. very complex ……… why not make it simple ….

]]> By: Shirkuh http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145235 Shirkuh Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:17:15 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145235 What can I say else than you people have a slave mentality :-( What can I say else than you people have a slave mentality :-(

]]> By: Utmankhel1 http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145203 Utmankhel1 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:23:53 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145203 Kashif, Hmm ..... observation .......... Thanks for being here ...... seesm it's a long journey ........ won't work without companions ... Kashif,

Hmm ….. observation ……….

Thanks for being here …… seesm it’s a long journey …….. won’t work without companions …

]]> By: Kashif http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145066 Kashif Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:26:29 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145066 @Utmankhel1 Great timing....not only our thought process are in sync, our clocks too :) Utmankhel1 Says: January 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm Kashif Says: January 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm @Utmankhel1

Great timing….not only our thought process are in sync, our clocks too :)

Utmankhel1 Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

Kashif Says:
January 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm

]]> By: Utmankhel1 http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145064 Utmankhel1 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:22:54 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145064 we them want OUT OF OUR LAND .......mistake we them want OUT OF OUR LAND …….mistake

]]> By: Kashif http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145063 Kashif Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:21:28 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145063 Lets be realistic if we have extremists in our region who are plotting attacks against west how long can we stop west not to take action against those. Americans have respected our soverignty thats why they didn't chase militants within our borders. Drone attacks are bad but in the bid picture they are nothing. They basically target some militants that our military is targeting as well. Drone attacks are wrong but so are the militants in tribal region. I think former is lesser of the evil. The guys running our President, PM, COAS na dother important offices are approved by white house and Pentagon. Our war strategies are devised by them. So I don't know why drone attacks flips you out. Your claim that you 'd rather die soon than finish gradually is emotional. As a statesman you 'd never explore extinction route. Look at our economy, unemoployment is on sharp rise, we are in a very serious energy crisis, we are going thru a war against militants. We just simply can not afford to flip the direction of that war against Americans. I know right wing is dying to see that but it is simply not an option. It 'd be much much bigger chaos and a recipe of total destruction. Lets be realistic if we have extremists in our region who are plotting attacks against west how long can we stop west not to take action against those. Americans have respected our soverignty thats why they didn’t chase militants within our borders. Drone attacks are bad but in the bid picture they are nothing. They basically target some militants that our military is targeting as well. Drone attacks are wrong but so are the militants in tribal region. I think former is lesser of the evil. The guys running our President, PM, COAS na dother important offices are approved by white house and Pentagon. Our war strategies are devised by them. So I don’t know why drone attacks flips you out. Your claim that you ‘d rather die soon than finish gradually is emotional. As a statesman you ‘d never explore extinction route. Look at our economy, unemoployment is on sharp rise, we are in a very serious energy crisis, we are going thru a war against militants. We just simply can not afford to flip the direction of that war against Americans. I know right wing is dying to see that but it is simply not an option. It ‘d be much much bigger chaos and a recipe of total destruction.

]]> By: Utmankhel1 http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145062 Utmankhel1 Wed, 07 Jan 2009 14:21:11 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145062 So that does solves the problem. You have got america as your enemy, we have got militants as our enemy in FATA and NWFP. You wan't to stop drone attacks we want the drone attacks to remove the terror infrastructure that has ruined our society. You have your strategic objectives in which these militants are helping you and that is to throw out america from the region, but we don't want to burn our houses for YOUR strategic objectives. I think if PTI is sincere enough, then Imran khan should open a Militants Welfare Colony in Islamabad and take away you strategic allies to Islamabad alongwith those thousands of training camps. We don't want your arab/chechen/uzbek allies alongwith the homegrown militants OUT of our lands. Accept them and have them in your houses. So that does solves the problem. You have got america as your enemy, we have got militants as our enemy in FATA and NWFP. You wan’t to stop drone attacks we want the drone attacks to remove the terror infrastructure that has ruined our society. You have your strategic objectives in which these militants are helping you and that is to throw out america from the region, but we don’t want to burn our houses for YOUR strategic objectives. I think if PTI is sincere enough, then Imran khan should open a Militants Welfare Colony in Islamabad and take away you strategic allies to Islamabad alongwith those thousands of training camps. We don’t want your arab/chechen/uzbek allies alongwith the homegrown militants OUT of our lands. Accept them and have them in your houses.

]]> By: Shirkuh http://pkpolitics.com/2009/01/02/islamabad-tonight-2-january-2009/#comment-145015 Shirkuh Wed, 07 Jan 2009 11:17:56 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=6058#comment-145015 @Kashif <i>"So accoding to you PTI does not oppose war against extremists it is only against mechanism the way it is conducted. PTI and right wingers want two things: 1. Push Americans out of the region 2. Want to talk to militants</i> I don’t care about right or left wing tags :-) Btw: These tags are slowly being diminished in those countries, where they were invented or at least used extensively. <i>“Great goals but please tell me how can we achieve them. Americans won’t leave the region until militants agree that they won’t attack Americans and militants won’t commit that until they have the capibility to attack them in other words until they are destroyed. Pakistan doesn’t have political or military resources to convince either side. We have no choice but to fight against militants or Americans. I am sure who ever comes in power will pick the former. We simply don’t have military and economic resources to fight against west and remaining neautral is not an option to begin with."</i> That is exactly my opinion - as a starting point i.e. we should not fight against the Allied gang, BUT at the same time we cannot continue remaining neutral. I think I already had me clear. Please also be aware that I am not any office holder in PTI, so I can only speak for myself :-) - We have to convey a serious message to the Americans and not the usual double talks i.e. one message for the Americans and another for the people of Pakistan. - If the Americans don’t stop their attacks, we need to stop the supply lines through our country as the first step. - National as well as international pressure on EU/US. Use all diplomatic means! - We should strengthen our alliance with all possible friendly nations. We MUST especially improve our ties with China and Iran and maybe also with Russia since the latter is slowly loosing its old ally India to the US. - If the above steps don’t help, then we should shoot down any drones over Pakistani territory! I don’t think step three would be necessary. When they know our intentions i.e. we mean business then they will not risk opening yet another front after Iraq, Afghanistan. - We should be more careful about inflicting human loss, but it can be necessary if they step inside our country repeatedly. I would prefer to go down bravely instead of a slow death like Saddam Hussain and Iraq got. You must remember how the Americans successfully disarmed and weakened Iraq before they went in. The Americans used all the tricks to make their job easier and that is exactly what is going on regarding Pakistan. Maybe they would have done it even if they didn’t weaken and disarmed Iraq, but then they at least would have met a little more resistance. We should NOT think we can hide the head in a ostrich like way to avoid the dangers. @Kashif

“So accoding to you PTI does not oppose war against extremists it is only against mechanism the way it is conducted. PTI and right wingers want two things:

1. Push Americans out of the region
2. Want to talk to militants

I don’t care about right or left wing tags :-) Btw: These tags are slowly being diminished in those countries, where they were invented or at least used extensively.

“Great goals but please tell me how can we achieve them. Americans won’t leave the region until militants agree that they won’t attack Americans and militants won’t commit that until they have the capibility to attack them in other words until they are destroyed. Pakistan doesn’t have political or military resources to convince either side. We have no choice but to fight against militants or Americans. I am sure who ever comes in power will pick the former. We simply don’t have military and economic resources to fight against west and remaining neautral is not an option to begin with.”

That is exactly my opinion – as a starting point i.e. we should not fight against the Allied gang, BUT at the same time we cannot continue remaining neutral.

I think I already had me clear. Please also be aware that I am not any office holder in PTI, so I can only speak for myself :-)

- We have to convey a serious message to the Americans and not the usual double talks i.e. one message for the Americans and another for the people of Pakistan.

- If the Americans don’t stop their attacks, we need to stop the supply lines through our country as the first step.

- National as well as international pressure on EU/US. Use all diplomatic means!

- We should strengthen our alliance with all possible friendly nations. We MUST especially improve our ties with China and Iran and maybe also with Russia since the latter is slowly loosing its old ally India to the US.

- If the above steps don’t help, then we should shoot down any drones over Pakistani territory! I don’t think step three would be necessary. When they know our intentions i.e. we mean business then they will not risk opening yet another front after Iraq, Afghanistan.

- We should be more careful about inflicting human loss, but it can be necessary if they step inside our country repeatedly.

I would prefer to go down bravely instead of a slow death like Saddam Hussain and Iraq got. You must remember how the Americans successfully disarmed and weakened Iraq before they went in. The Americans used all the tricks to make their job easier and that is exactly what is going on regarding Pakistan. Maybe they would have done it even if they didn’t weaken and disarmed Iraq, but then they at least would have met a little more resistance. We should NOT think we can hide the head in a ostrich like way to avoid the dangers.

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