I seriously recommend that a message is passed to AAj Tv that this programme be dubbed in English or ask Talat Bhai to repeat it in English so that this can be spreaded via different media channels like Youtube, dailymotion, other TV channels etc.
After watching this I realize our Pakistan leaders are not the only a** holes. I am amased at the Indian a** hole leaders as well that how could they approve such stupid document to be sent internationally?
I salute Talat bhai for such a programme. Stunning and a must watch!!
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India is enjoying good time Pumped or injected by the allies, they can’t or don’t want war(just phony gesture of anger, if they wanted war they would have done long ago,), which can’t stop, and ultimately will convert into nuke war. India will never make any mistake to commit suicide. In case of Pakistan, peoples are in trouble from all sides, unlike elite their lives in “aziyat” pain,they are dying everyday. In case of war india has to loose everything
from good standard of living, money and military might pumped by allies. Pakistanis have nothing to loose, their story is little different like, “hum toh dubay hein sanum, tum ko bi sath lay ker dubangay”.
Simple thing is that our elite has to forget
greediness and stop worrying about their swiss bank accounts fatness, whatever the loan or aid is received in the name of pakistan, it is not for people of Pakistan, people are anyhow dying without facilities (half of the population is without two time meals). Nation don’t need the aid from anyone which is never used on them, even
natural disasters such as earth quick etc., aid is never reached to the victims. What is these people’s fault, becaue they were born there??
If you see the document by india. The nestle milk powder box and fresh milk are same. Actaullu the milk powder is not a powder, it is a standard 1 litre liquid milk and you can easily see the expire of that milk that is early 2009. where as for powder expire is very long couple of years.
They also tried to show detergent box as pickle box. do note that pickle box(detergent box) is a very used box where as detergent box is not that old. the point i am telling is they showed two different detergent boxes, one as pickle and one as detergent box. what they had to do with detergent boxes….
Its a really stupid document, even Imran Series (Abn safi) can write far better script.
Fantastic programe , all based on research and facts, Talat you have proved your metal. Indian govt/ Intelligence agencies shame on all your plans to prove Pakistan as terrorist supporting state.
Long live Pakistan
Really really good program .you explain every thing very good and very detailed.
but my suggestion is you should do this program or all of your program in english or in english dubbing so that international media can understand that as well.
thanks
But unfortunately our self appointed saviours in the government are simply too dumb, too cowards and sold-out to use it in an any constructive way. You will see them admitting each and every thing in the coming days. Our dimplomats are best at receiving Buttos and acqueising to indian demarches. Our rulers are best at awarding civilians awards to americans for killing Pakistani civlians.
Ah..Humiliated and Impoverished country ruled by the dregs of the nation.
Govt of pakistan ko chaheey ke woh ye programme English main dab kar ke hi dunia bhar ko bhijwa de itna hi kafi hey main samjhta hoon ke agar ajmal kasab ki Citizenship ka bhi jaiza liya jai tu woh bhi isi tarah nikley gi afsos ke bina saboot ke ajmal ko pakistani tasleem kar liya gia or agar woh pakistani hey tu phir media par os ka saboot dia jai takeh awam ko ye yaqeen ho jai ke woh waqia hi pakistani tha warna es document ke baad tu ab yaqeen nahee ke ajmal pakistani he
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Very well done Syed Talat Hussain Sahib, it was the great research on Indian paper forwarded to the Government of Pakistan as a charge sheet from Indian Government. Thanks pkpolitics for providing this important issue for discussion and personal comments from the viewers. We cant do nothing except put our view points to participate our feeling from North America.
In my opinion, this episode should be immedietly dubbed in english language by Syed Mushahid Hussain and repeat on all the Pakistani TV Channels for the general public living in North America, United Kingdom, Europian Countries and other parts of the world to get proper knowledge about this case which was planned and executed by disturbed minded indian intelligence officers to put blame on Pakistan.
It was a poor planning by any hindu extreemist intelligence group working on the “Pakistani Desk” in RAW.
It’s time to clearify clause by clause and discuss each and every word mentioned in this letter by the tele-conferencing show infront of international media by the both countries investigating teams, just like indian journalist interviewed Mr.Asif Ali Zardari President of Pakistan just before Mumbai Terrorit Drama. Let them put question and answer session for the selective senior intelligence retired officers from both sides to get the answers from their oponents to get the reality on direct tv coverage which bring to an end of blame games from both sides and the peace process will began in this region and defuse the tension and un-security.
I think, one of each serving officers from Foreign Office, Defence, Interior, Informations, ISI and IB having all the necessary information of this incidence should be on the pannel and supported by Talat Hussain, Mushahid Hussain, Imran Khan, Aitzaz Ahsan, Hamid Gul, Ishaq Dar to defend and represend Pakistan with the political knowledge to counter the elegation longed by India on this direct tele-conferencing event which can be continued for hours and hours to bring this issue to an end in a peaceful manner with dignity and honour in between two nabouring nuclear powers.
First- dossier is called as only information but all of us need to understand that after any investigation is over,only investigation report submitted. This is an investigation report. World is accepting this. You may different defination of evidence.
In any court confession is considered as acceptance of pleaded guilty irespect of how it was confessed. CCTV images are also available of these activity to substantiate the confession which will stand in any court of law.
Dont compare target in pakistan with this as they were carried out by taliban. In Madrid & bali, you may have seen that attackers were alive after the attack later killed/prosecuted.This is what you see here.
They were not sucide bombers as they had return plan.They were trained in proper way like comandos.If someone trained like army person they do share information among them, this is a core of their operation to carry out co-ordinated attack at different places.Talak is saying in such way that he is expert in training these people which justfies that people in pakistan know what happens there but they are in denial mode.
Anyone in sea would have to use GPS to reach somewhere. They might be in hurry as they reached late CST station is not busy at 9.30 and thats why they might left them on trawler.call was not made directly to pakistant thay trasnfered from other nation see 0033 number.I dont want to go in technical detials.read documents.
The own ship was used only in Pakistan water and later seize indian fisher boat to get benefit of doubt.
I dont want discuss further as following proved:
1) Kasab is from Pakistan which all media and Govt denied for last 40 days.You agreed to this and there is not doubt about others.
2)Pakistani Soil was used to lauch the attack.
3) some but not concret action were taken on JUD which shows admission by the Govt that they have link in this attack.All know JUD is a mask of LeT.
I am sure further thing will come to light again and then Talat should have some courage/dare to accept that his perception was wrong like he denied in last month that Kasab is not Pakistani and Pakistan’s soil is not used but it proved otherwise.
“In any court confession is considered as acceptance of pleaded guilty irespect of how it was confessed”
Then what do you make of this
”
The voluntary declaration to another person by someone who has committed a crime or misdemeanor in which he admits agency or participation in the same.
When made without bias or improper influence, confessions are admissible in evidence as the highest and most satisfactory proof because it is fairly presumed that no man would make such a confession against himself if the facts confessed were not true. But they are excluded if unfairly obtained…
” http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c274.htm
I will agree with a comment above to record this in English and broadcast this over the internet so that the world knows that we are investigating and this is how the People of Pakistan think. They should know that if the People of Pakistan can figure this out then the Government of Pakistan can too. And once this is out the Indian Government should take the responsibility of the attacks on it self.
We have been tolerating all this for long and I believe that it is the mistake of both the Goverments that they can’t stop blaming each other every time something happens like this. I am sure that both the parties know that they are not children anymore and be serious to bring peace to the region.
God Bless us all and bring peace to both the Countries.
What you have attached is therotical defination, dont sttick to books or link.Please be pratical.You should have heard of NaRCO & lie detecter test, they were also carried out on Kasab(these are scintific tool used for confession). You need to undertsand new technique of confession, even forced confession would not be accepted by Indian Court.
CCTV images and DNA samples will be provided by India to substantiate the confession. It seems to me that you still have sympathy towards Kasab.
You all need to understand that public dossier may not include everything, some documents are classified and are shared only on diplomatic level.Mr Rehman ( your minister) is saying investigation will be completed in 10 days (why? he must have some solid evidences/information from India.( in absence of lead, you cant do anything) World is not that fool to stand with India without evidence. There must be somthing which you have seen in the reaction from leaders visit to Pakistan.
British PM said “3/4 of terrorist plots investigated in Britain has direct or indrect link with Pakistan”.
However, this does not help out Pakistan and ISI of their deeds.
It is indeed foolish of india to make a case with these evidences, if they are the only evidences.
Plus there can be a very simple explanation to all this ( CONSPIRACY THEROY) . The terrorists knew India will have to provide evidences after the attacks. So by design the terrorists left evidences which were confusing. Very much possible, If a terrorist can plot such an attack, he can also think two steps ahead, instead of one ……….. afterall, believers of verbal diarrhea know how conspiracies are thought out ……….. can’t you think of one more CONSPIRACY THEORY ………….
the whole world is stupid….they were standing with Bush & Powell when they gave proof of WMD’s in Iraq & now Bush confessed that it was an intelligence failure…
so its only the objectives which are to be achieved no matter what they give in proof….9/11 & 7/7 is also ripped apart like Mumbai attacks…
So by your logic of dumping “theoratical defination” in favor of “practical usefulness” you are actully sugesting that it is not required to follow the law written in the books but perfectly ok to invent one on the fly when need be? So by this logic genocides in Rawanda, Nazi Germany, and Pol-Pot even in Your own country of Muslims is actually justified even though they were grossly against the written code and law but because they were required for the time for the governments in concern.
WOW that is amazing. There is no point in arguing with you because we differ on basic assumptions of what should be consider valid and legitimate and what should be considered barbaricand inhuman. For you torture is allowed to inflict pain to extract truth. BTW what is the definition of truth for you, one that your agencies would accept as acceptable truth or one that is generally accepted as truth “With out any coersion or torure” oh i forgot you dont accept these “Written word of Law” so it must be the acceptable truth not the actual truth.
As far as Narco Tests and lie dector is concern , your assumption is that they were conducted in all fairness and without any manipulation which is completely absurd. You want me to believe that Indian investigation agecies are so human that they would not harm that one man they captured or torture him to find out the truth. I mean how could you say that confession as a result of torture should be accepted as true confession. I think you dont know what torture really is, read “Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein just the first chapter will tell you what it is and you are saying it is justified.
Very disappointing.
As for our politicians are concerned. It is a known fact that people who are really running this coutry are not even elected but forced upon us. I truely admit that we are at fault for that. If there were NS, Imran Khan or the likes of these, on the helm trust me CIA or RAW would not have guts to even think about staging this play. So what they are saying is exectly what you, your government, and Intelligence agencies want themto say. Its like putting that Karzai Clown on Afghanistan and believe when he says that Afghans are so happy to be liberated by US even though hundereds of thousands of them are butchered in broad day light.
It is our misfortune and result of our ignorance and deeds that we are in this situation but things never remain the same today America is your pimp but tomorrow? Who knows.
i would back irtizaali in his comments, media manipulation has been so perfected that it is very easy to make any think look true and accepted. I think you need to widen your study base, look at AL-Gore’s book assult on reason to find out the effect of media and it’s attack on human Psycology. You would be amazed how easy it is to manipulate media when it is in so few hands( who is the owner of StarTV network, Rupert Murdoch same guy who owns the biggest republican lie machine Fox News)
for those who actually believe in anglo-american media & they don’t know what TTP or Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan of baitullah mehsod & maulana fazullah is….they are RAW/CIA funded ppl…..everyone knows but yes our media doesn’t say the way Indian/Anglo-American media does…
Suggession to @sany2scotland, that go to india and practically see the police stations and courts in india and also see the treatment with minorities there,
before you starts your job, another suggessions stop watching Pakistan baised media, please.
If you still have any question, our Brilliant Pakistanis will surprise you.
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great programme
I would say that Talat is doing best among all the anchors. He does some research and presents facts.
@Admin
I seriously recommend that a message is passed to AAj Tv that this programme be dubbed in English or ask Talat Bhai to repeat it in English so that this can be spreaded via different media channels like Youtube, dailymotion, other TV channels etc.
After watching this I realize our Pakistan leaders are not the only a** holes. I am amased at the Indian a** hole leaders as well that how could they approve such stupid document to be sent internationally?
I salute Talat bhai for such a programme. Stunning and a must watch!!
Love to all my Pakistani brothers and sisters.
Great work by Talat. He should do this program in English so that these facts can be presented to the world.
Hum ko maloom hai janat ke haqekut lakin
Dil ke khush rakhne ko ghalib kheyal acha hai
anybody knows where can i find the document which talat is talking about???
Talat bhai great program…
http://www.hindu.com/nic/dossier.htm
this is the link for the dossier…the report of BrassTacks is very good too…They have ripped this dossier badly….
Although I have not seen the program….but I know that Talat bhai has ripped India badly in the wake of Mumbai attacks………
Is there any way that I don’t have to wait for 24 hours???I am not a premium member…
Free version added.
Talat you nailed it…..great…
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India is enjoying good time Pumped or injected by the allies, they can’t or don’t want war(just phony gesture of anger, if they wanted war they would have done long ago,), which can’t stop, and ultimately will convert into nuke war. India will never make any mistake to commit suicide. In case of Pakistan, peoples are in trouble from all sides, unlike elite their lives in “aziyat” pain,they are dying everyday. In case of war india has to loose everything
from good standard of living, money and military might pumped by allies. Pakistanis have nothing to loose, their story is little different like, “hum toh dubay hein sanum, tum ko bi sath lay ker dubangay”.
Simple thing is that our elite has to forget
greediness and stop worrying about their swiss bank accounts fatness, whatever the loan or aid is received in the name of pakistan, it is not for people of Pakistan, people are anyhow dying without facilities (half of the population is without two time meals). Nation don’t need the aid from anyone which is never used on them, even
natural disasters such as earth quick etc., aid is never reached to the victims. What is these people’s fault, becaue they were born there??
excellent work by Talat Hussain
Related article by Talat from today’s Express:
Bharti Dastavizat Ka Tazkra
If you see the document by india. The nestle milk powder box and fresh milk are same. Actaullu the milk powder is not a powder, it is a standard 1 litre liquid milk and you can easily see the expire of that milk that is early 2009. where as for powder expire is very long couple of years.
They also tried to show detergent box as pickle box. do note that pickle box(detergent box) is a very used box where as detergent box is not that old. the point i am telling is they showed two different detergent boxes, one as pickle and one as detergent box. what they had to do with detergent boxes….
Its a really stupid document, even Imran Series (Abn safi) can write far better script.
Fantastic programe , all based on research and facts, Talat you have proved your metal. Indian govt/ Intelligence agencies shame on all your plans to prove Pakistan as terrorist supporting state.
Long live Pakistan
Really really good program .you explain every thing very good and very detailed.
but my suggestion is you should do this program or all of your program in english or in english dubbing so that international media can understand that as well.
thanks
Amazing programme by Talat.
But unfortunately our self appointed saviours in the government are simply too dumb, too cowards and sold-out to use it in an any constructive way. You will see them admitting each and every thing in the coming days. Our dimplomats are best at receiving Buttos and acqueising to indian demarches. Our rulers are best at awarding civilians awards to americans for killing Pakistani civlians.
Ah..Humiliated and Impoverished country ruled by the dregs of the nation.
Govt of pakistan ko chaheey ke woh ye programme English main dab kar ke hi dunia bhar ko bhijwa de itna hi kafi hey main samjhta hoon ke agar ajmal kasab ki Citizenship ka bhi jaiza liya jai tu woh bhi isi tarah nikley gi afsos ke bina saboot ke ajmal ko pakistani tasleem kar liya gia or agar woh pakistani hey tu phir media par os ka saboot dia jai takeh awam ko ye yaqeen ho jai ke woh waqia hi pakistani tha warna es document ke baad tu ab yaqeen nahee ke ajmal pakistani he
GREAT BHAI TALAT JI RAB TUHANOON LAMI UMAR DEWE YOU ARE A GREAT AND ONLY ONE PAKISTANI HERO JOURNALIST
Excellent work. There are so many questions like these which we can raise but the problem is with our current leadership. Allah help pakistan.
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Just when we are appreciating the programme by Talat, Pakistan has already accepted the veracity of the evidence and prostrated to the indians.
http://www.ndtv.com/convergence/ndtv/mumbaiterrorstrike/Story.aspx?ID=NEWEN20090080415&type=News
We get the monkeys we pay for……
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Very nice work.
Thanks to Talat saab and AAJ TV for making such great programs.
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Assalam-o-Alaikum,
Very well done Syed Talat Hussain Sahib, it was the great research on Indian paper forwarded to the Government of Pakistan as a charge sheet from Indian Government. Thanks pkpolitics for providing this important issue for discussion and personal comments from the viewers. We cant do nothing except put our view points to participate our feeling from North America.
In my opinion, this episode should be immedietly dubbed in english language by Syed Mushahid Hussain and repeat on all the Pakistani TV Channels for the general public living in North America, United Kingdom, Europian Countries and other parts of the world to get proper knowledge about this case which was planned and executed by disturbed minded indian intelligence officers to put blame on Pakistan.
It was a poor planning by any hindu extreemist intelligence group working on the “Pakistani Desk” in RAW.
It’s time to clearify clause by clause and discuss each and every word mentioned in this letter by the tele-conferencing show infront of international media by the both countries investigating teams, just like indian journalist interviewed Mr.Asif Ali Zardari President of Pakistan just before Mumbai Terrorit Drama. Let them put question and answer session for the selective senior intelligence retired officers from both sides to get the answers from their oponents to get the reality on direct tv coverage which bring to an end of blame games from both sides and the peace process will began in this region and defuse the tension and un-security.
I think, one of each serving officers from Foreign Office, Defence, Interior, Informations, ISI and IB having all the necessary information of this incidence should be on the pannel and supported by Talat Hussain, Mushahid Hussain, Imran Khan, Aitzaz Ahsan, Hamid Gul, Ishaq Dar to defend and represend Pakistan with the political knowledge to counter the elegation longed by India on this direct tele-conferencing event which can be continued for hours and hours to bring this issue to an end in a peaceful manner with dignity and honour in between two nabouring nuclear powers.
well done talat. awesome prog.
keep it up:)
I have read the dossier-
First- dossier is called as only information but all of us need to understand that after any investigation is over,only investigation report submitted. This is an investigation report. World is accepting this. You may different defination of evidence.
In any court confession is considered as acceptance of pleaded guilty irespect of how it was confessed. CCTV images are also available of these activity to substantiate the confession which will stand in any court of law.
Dont compare target in pakistan with this as they were carried out by taliban. In Madrid & bali, you may have seen that attackers were alive after the attack later killed/prosecuted.This is what you see here.
They were not sucide bombers as they had return plan.They were trained in proper way like comandos.If someone trained like army person they do share information among them, this is a core of their operation to carry out co-ordinated attack at different places.Talak is saying in such way that he is expert in training these people which justfies that people in pakistan know what happens there but they are in denial mode.
Anyone in sea would have to use GPS to reach somewhere. They might be in hurry as they reached late CST station is not busy at 9.30 and thats why they might left them on trawler.call was not made directly to pakistant thay trasnfered from other nation see 0033 number.I dont want to go in technical detials.read documents.
The own ship was used only in Pakistan water and later seize indian fisher boat to get benefit of doubt.
I dont want discuss further as following proved:
1) Kasab is from Pakistan which all media and Govt denied for last 40 days.You agreed to this and there is not doubt about others.
2)Pakistani Soil was used to lauch the attack.
3) some but not concret action were taken on JUD which shows admission by the Govt that they have link in this attack.All know JUD is a mask of LeT.
I am sure further thing will come to light again and then Talat should have some courage/dare to accept that his perception was wrong like he denied in last month that Kasab is not Pakistani and Pakistan’s soil is not used but it proved otherwise.
That program should on the top of the list,
after all Talat Did excellent defend on these stupid allegations.
@sany2kscotland
“In any court confession is considered as acceptance of pleaded guilty irespect of how it was confessed”
Then what do you make of this
”
The voluntary declaration to another person by someone who has committed a crime or misdemeanor in which he admits agency or participation in the same.
When made without bias or improper influence, confessions are admissible in evidence as the highest and most satisfactory proof because it is fairly presumed that no man would make such a confession against himself if the facts confessed were not true. But they are excluded if unfairly obtained…
”
http://www.lectlaw.com/def/c274.htm
Does it not say EXCLUDED IF UNFAIRLY OBRAINED.
Another reference
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confession_(legal)
under
Exclusion of prosecution evidence
Second reason is
“if it was obtained by torture”
Please respond.
@sany2kscotland
You are a fvcking genius! NOT!!
talat has returned to ‘the research, analyze and blow away’ format…which he is so good at. good job..talat. good to see you back on top.
@sany2kscotland
and here is an article for your information regarding police torture in India
http://www.genocidewatch.org/IndiaTorturebyp
oliceisfrequentanddeadly5august2004.htm
So you DO HAVE TORTURE AS STATE ACCEPTED METHOD in India for interogation purpose.
Salam All;
I will agree with a comment above to record this in English and broadcast this over the internet so that the world knows that we are investigating and this is how the People of Pakistan think. They should know that if the People of Pakistan can figure this out then the Government of Pakistan can too. And once this is out the Indian Government should take the responsibility of the attacks on it self.
We have been tolerating all this for long and I believe that it is the mistake of both the Goverments that they can’t stop blaming each other every time something happens like this. I am sure that both the parties know that they are not children anymore and be serious to bring peace to the region.
God Bless us all and bring peace to both the Countries.
Regards,
geele.mitti
What you have attached is therotical defination, dont sttick to books or link.Please be pratical.You should have heard of NaRCO & lie detecter test, they were also carried out on Kasab(these are scintific tool used for confession). You need to undertsand new technique of confession, even forced confession would not be accepted by Indian Court.
CCTV images and DNA samples will be provided by India to substantiate the confession. It seems to me that you still have sympathy towards Kasab.
You all need to understand that public dossier may not include everything, some documents are classified and are shared only on diplomatic level.Mr Rehman ( your minister) is saying investigation will be completed in 10 days (why? he must have some solid evidences/information from India.( in absence of lead, you cant do anything) World is not that fool to stand with India without evidence. There must be somthing which you have seen in the reaction from leaders visit to Pakistan.
British PM said “3/4 of terrorist plots investigated in Britain has direct or indrect link with Pakistan”.
Talat did a very good job,
However, this does not help out Pakistan and ISI of their deeds.
It is indeed foolish of india to make a case with these evidences, if they are the only evidences.
Plus there can be a very simple explanation to all this ( CONSPIRACY THEROY) . The terrorists knew India will have to provide evidences after the attacks. So by design the terrorists left evidences which were confusing. Very much possible, If a terrorist can plot such an attack, he can also think two steps ahead, instead of one ……….. afterall, believers of verbal diarrhea know how conspiracies are thought out ……….. can’t you think of one more CONSPIRACY THEORY ………….
@sany2kscotland
the whole world is stupid….they were standing with Bush & Powell when they gave proof of WMD’s in Iraq & now Bush confessed that it was an intelligence failure…
so its only the objectives which are to be achieved no matter what they give in proof….9/11 & 7/7 is also ripped apart like Mumbai attacks…
Some undeniable facts ……….
Talat you are doing your duty, but how many facts can you wash ? ? ? ? ? ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2009/01/090118_fidaeen_sucide_nj.shtml
@sany2kscotland
So by your logic of dumping “theoratical defination” in favor of “practical usefulness” you are actully sugesting that it is not required to follow the law written in the books but perfectly ok to invent one on the fly when need be? So by this logic genocides in Rawanda, Nazi Germany, and Pol-Pot even in Your own country of Muslims is actually justified even though they were grossly against the written code and law but because they were required for the time for the governments in concern.
WOW that is amazing. There is no point in arguing with you because we differ on basic assumptions of what should be consider valid and legitimate and what should be considered barbaricand inhuman. For you torture is allowed to inflict pain to extract truth. BTW what is the definition of truth for you, one that your agencies would accept as acceptable truth or one that is generally accepted as truth “With out any coersion or torure” oh i forgot you dont accept these “Written word of Law” so it must be the acceptable truth not the actual truth.
As far as Narco Tests and lie dector is concern , your assumption is that they were conducted in all fairness and without any manipulation which is completely absurd. You want me to believe that Indian investigation agecies are so human that they would not harm that one man they captured or torture him to find out the truth. I mean how could you say that confession as a result of torture should be accepted as true confession. I think you dont know what torture really is, read “Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein just the first chapter will tell you what it is and you are saying it is justified.
Very disappointing.
As for our politicians are concerned. It is a known fact that people who are really running this coutry are not even elected but forced upon us. I truely admit that we are at fault for that. If there were NS, Imran Khan or the likes of these, on the helm trust me CIA or RAW would not have guts to even think about staging this play. So what they are saying is exectly what you, your government, and Intelligence agencies want themto say. Its like putting that Karzai Clown on Afghanistan and believe when he says that Afghans are so happy to be liberated by US even though hundereds of thousands of them are butchered in broad day light.
It is our misfortune and result of our ignorance and deeds that we are in this situation but things never remain the same today America is your pimp but tomorrow? Who knows.
i would back irtizaali in his comments, media manipulation has been so perfected that it is very easy to make any think look true and accepted. I think you need to widen your study base, look at AL-Gore’s book assult on reason to find out the effect of media and it’s attack on human Psycology. You would be amazed how easy it is to manipulate media when it is in so few hands( who is the owner of StarTV network, Rupert Murdoch same guy who owns the biggest republican lie machine Fox News)
for those who actually believe in anglo-american media & they don’t know what TTP or Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan of baitullah mehsod & maulana fazullah is….they are RAW/CIA funded ppl…..everyone knows but yes our media doesn’t say the way Indian/Anglo-American media does…
Suggession to @sany2scotland, that go to india and practically see the police stations and courts in india and also see the treatment with minorities there,
before you starts your job, another suggessions stop watching Pakistan baised media, please.
If you still have any question, our Brilliant Pakistanis will surprise you.
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Great Show Talat.Please I request you to do an English version of this program as well.
West needs to understand our point of view and this would help in stopping the propaganda India is doing.
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